WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.441 RECORD" STARTS RIGHT AFTER THIS. ON THE OTR PANEL THIS EEK, 00:10.443 --> 00:14.579 SUSANNE DEMISAND EMILY LAWLER, ALONG WITH WITH ZOE CLARK. 00:14.581 --> 00:17.549 HERE IS THE RUN DOWN. MORE MONEY FOR THE ROADS, LOTS 00:17.551 --> 00:19.584 MORE. AND LAAEE ON REPUBLICAN% 00:19.586 --> 00:23.688 REPRESENTATIVEEJOHN WELSH IS HERE TO DISCUSS THAT STATE AID 00:23.690 --> 00:26.658 PACKAGE FOR MO TOWN. ALL OF THIS AND MORE COMING UP 00:26.660 --> 00:38.036 RRGHT NOW ON "OFF THE RECORD." >>¶ . 00:38.038 --> 00:41.873 >> GETTING THE INSIDE OUT. 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PROVIDING SOLUTIONS AND CHOICES 01:13.338 --> 01:16.306 FOR HOME COMFORT DURING ALL MICHIGAN SEASONS. 01:16.308 --> 01:19.276 HAGER FOX IN BRYANT, WHATEVER IT TAKESS 01:19.278 --> 01:22.980 HAGERFOX.COM. >> AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF 01:22.982 --> 01:26.984 THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK. >> THANK YOU, JOE DONOVAN AND 01:26.986 --> 01:32.522 WELCOME TO THIS HOLIDAY EDITION THURSDAY.% 01:32.524 --> 01:36.393 RANDY, SENNTOR REPUBLICAN LEADER %--úMONEY ON THE ROADS.BUNCH OF 01:36.395 --> 01:41.565 >> YOU WILL PAY MORE GASOLINE TAX THAN YOU DO TODAY. 01:41.567 --> 01:47.270 THE PROPOSAL WOULD HIKE THE TAX TO 7.5%, WHICH HE CLAIMS WILL 01:47.272 --> 01:50.507 RAISE A BUNDLE TT FIX YOUR POTHOLE. 01:50.509 --> 01:54.778 >> THAT WILL CREATE SIX TO $650 MILLION, THE NEXT WHERE 01:54.780 --> 01:58.381 SOMEWHERE AROUND 85, NEXT YEAR3 SOMEWHERE AROUND 1 BILLION. 01:58.383 --> 02:03.086 AND EVVNTUALLY WE WILL GET US TO THE 1.5 BILLION WE NEED TO FIX 02:03.088 --> 02:07.023 THE PROBLLM. >> ADDED ADDITION DOLLARS PASSED 02:07.025 --> 02:12.695 BY THE HOUSE RECENTLY, BY ELIMINATE ADDIS COUNTTON YOUR 02:12.697 --> 02:17.566 NEW CARR REGISTRATION FEES. >> HAT WILL HELP RAISE 02:17.568 --> 02:20.803 $140 MILLION A JEER, FOR THE TRANSPORTATION OPPORTUNITY. 02:20.805 --> 02:25.474 >> BUT THE DEMOCRATS COMPLAINED THAN SOMETHING ELSE SHOULD BE, 02:25.476 --> 02:27.209 DONE TO TAKE THE STING OUT OF THAT. 02:27.211 --> 02:32.849 >> WE WANT WITH TO MAKE SURE, THAT THE CITIZENS ARE JUST 02:32.851 --> 02:37.319 NOT -- WE KEEP PILING IT ON, ADDING TAXES, WE NICKEL AND IME 02:37.321 --> 02:39.622 THEY WANT, AND WE NICK AND DIME THEN INTO THE POOR HOUSE. 02:39.624 --> 02:43.159 -ú>> BUT THE SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADER DOES NOT WANT WITH TO 02:43.161 --> 02:45.728 HORSE TRADE WITH THE DEMOCRATS. >> IF I WAS A DEMOCRAT LEADER, 02:45.730 --> 02:48.765 AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS VOTING FOR A 02:48.767 --> 02:54.470 MAJORITY OF THE VOTES, NECESSARY TO PASS THE TAX INCREASE IN AN 02:54.472 --> 02:58.107 ELECTION YEAR, AND FOR 30 SOME THOUSAND WORKERS TO WORK, I 02:58.109 --> 03:00.309 WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO ASK FOR SOMETHING MORE. 03:00.311 --> 03:06.081 LEADER WILL ASK IS FOR SOMETHING BEFORE THIS IS OVER. 03:06.083 --> 03:09.617 EVEN IF THE TWO SIDES MAKE A DEAL, THIS PACKAGE WILL NOT 03:09.619 --> 03:12.054 IMMEDIATELY RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. >> THE BILL THEY ARE TALKING 03:12.056 --> 03:15.724 ABOUT NOW, ACTUALLY GOES IN EFFECT JANUARY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR, 03:15.726 --> 03:19.427 SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL START TOMORROW. 03:19.429 --> 03:22.330 >> YEAH, NOT GOING TO START TOMORROW, BUT THAT'S A SIDE 03:22.332 --> 03:24.465 POINT. RICHARD, THIS IS A BUNDLE OF 03:24.467 --> 03:25.433 MONEY. >> RIGHT. 03:25.435 --> 03:28.503 AND THE BULK OF IT COMES FROM THE WHOLESALE TAX. 03:28.505 --> 03:34.976 SO FOR BOTH GAS AND DIESEL, IT WOULD GET UP TO 15.5%, WHICH IS 03:34.978 --> 03:37.245 MORE THAN DOUBLE THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW, STARTING IN WENT 15. 03:37.247 --> 03:39.815 >> DOES THIS HAVE A CHANCE. >> IT DOES..3 03:39.817 --> 03:42.483 CERTAINLY THE MICHIGAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR 03:42.485 --> 03:45.386 ROAD FUNDING FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND THEY ARE A POWERFUL 03:45.388 --> 03:49.390 INTEREST GROUP. BUT SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OO THE 03:49.392 --> 03:53.095 CAUCUS, WHO ARE FACINGG3 REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES MUST BE 03:53.097 --> 03:56.732 JUST ABOUU READY TO THROTTLE HIM RIGHT NOW. 03:56.734 --> 03:58.266 >> WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT HE IS TERM LIMITED. 03:58.268 --> 04:01.068 >> WE SHOULD. >> MAYBE PART OF EQUATION HERE. 04:01.070 --> 04:03.904 >> AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IS REPUBLICANS OF COURSE 04:03.906 --> 04:07.208 AS YOUR PIECE SET UP, THERE'S THIS ISSUE OF WILL DEMOCRATS GET 04:07.210 --> 04:09.777 ONBOARD. EVERYONE IS SAYING LET'S FIX THE 04:09.779 --> 04:14.715 RRAD, LET'S RACE MONEY, EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON THAT, THE ISSUE IS 04:14.717 --> 04:17.584 HOW WILL WE WITH DO IT, IT IS THE SAME STORY FOR MONTHS. 04:17.586 --> 04:20.788 THEY ARE READY TO, BUT HOW ARE3 THEY GOING TO, AND DEMOCRATS 04:20.790 --> 04:23.724 WILL BE A BIG PART OF THIS, AT LEAST ARE TRYING TO BECOME A BIG 04:23.726 --> 04:26.293 PART OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS. -ú>> WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO ASK 04:26.295 --> 04:28.362 FOR? >> IN COMMITTEE, AT LEAST, THEY 04:28.364 --> 04:31.498 TRIED TO TIE IT TO UNRELATED ISSUES. 04:31.500 --> 04:35.035 MINIMUM WAGE BILLS, SOME THINGS LIKEETHE PENSION TAX. 04:35.037 --> 04:38.139 >> EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT. >> EARNED INCOME TAX, SO THINGS 04:38.141 --> 04:39.907 THAT AREN'T IRECTLY RELATED TO THE ROADS. 04:39.909 --> 04:42.676 >> THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING HIT 04:42.678 --> 04:46.680 WITH WITH THESE TAX INCREASESS SO HELP THE WORKING POOR, SO 04:46.682 --> 04:51.485 THAT THEY ARE NOT -- THEER PICKETSSARE NOT -- THEIR POCKETS 04:51.487 --> 04:54.688 ARE NOT PICKED. AND HELP THEM ITH THE MINIMUM 04:54.690 --> 04:57.091 WAGE, SO THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY TOOGIVE IT TO THE 04:57.093 --> 04:58.793 GOVERNMENT. >> BUT THE INTERESTING WRINKLE 04:58.795 --> 05:02.162 IN THIS DEBATE, THE GOVERNOR CALLED IN THE TWO DEMOCRATIC 05:02.164 --> 05:07.133 LEADEES FOR THE FIRST TIME, I THINK THIS IS HATCH THE 05:07.135 --> 05:09.803 QUADRANT. >> AND IT WAS THE "IRREEEVANT 05:09.805 --> 05:13.039 HALF." BUT HE REALIZES HE NEEDS VOTES. 05:13.041 --> 05:16.309 I AM FOOD FROM A THIRD PARTY, WHEN THEY RAISE THE ISSUE OF 05:16.311 --> 05:19.445 úORSE TRADING, IS GOVERNMENT -- WHAT DO YOU MEAN HORSE TRADING? 05:19.447 --> 05:23.582 >> TTE GOVERNOR IS ALLAYS SAYING HE DOESN'T HORSE RADE. 05:23.584 --> 05:26.953 >> IF HE WANTS VOTE HE HAS TO COUGH SOMETHING UP. 05:26.955 --> 05:30.323 >> ALTHOUGH THE GOVERNOR HAS REMAINED VERYYQUIET. 05:30.325 --> 05:33.592 FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS HE HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR ROAD FUNDING, 05:33.594 --> 05:38.064 SAYING WE NEED ABOUT THE AMOUNT THAT RANDY RICHARD IS LOOKING 05:38.066 --> 05:40.499 úT, $1.2 BILLION ANNUALLY A YEAR, AND NOW HIS PAST WEEK WE 05:40.501 --> 05:43.669 WITH HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FROM3 HIM, AND WE WITH ARE SEEING 05:43.671 --> 05:46.873 NEGOTIATIONS SORT OF HEAT UP. >> AND YOU KNOW MICHIGAN CHAMBER 05:46.875 --> 05:50.576 PRESIDENT WAS ON TWITTER AT SIX IN THE MORNING SAYING NO HORSE 05:50.578 --> 05:54.747 TRADING WHATSOEVER. THESE ARE PEEP WHO DONNT LIKE TO 05:54.749 --> 05:58.184 COMPROMISE, AND THE DEMOCRATS DON'T HAVE THAT MANY VOTES.3 05:58.186 --> 06:01.019 >> WELL, THAA IS TTE KEY POINT, THE DEMOCRATS HHVE NO VOTES TO 06:01.021 --> 06:03.889 DO ANYTHING. THEY ONLY LEVERAGE THEY HAVE IS 06:03.891 --> 06:06.458 SAY LET'S MAKE A DEAL OO WE WON'T GIVE YOU VOTES. 06:06.460 --> 06:10.162 >> THINK THE POINT IS THAT WANT O VOTE FOR THIS. 06:10.164 --> 06:12.231 >> WHICH MEANS THEY NEED EVEN MORE. 06:12.233 --> 06:15.367 >> EXACTLY. I THINK THEY ARE MORE LEVERAGE 06:15.369 --> 06:18.036 THAN USUAL. >> WELL, DOES RANDY -- HE IS 06:18.038 --> 06:24.509 GOING TO RUN THIS NEXT WEEK, THAT'S A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME. 06:24.511 --> 06:27.145 BUT LET'S KEEP II MIND, THAT WOULD BE HALF OF WHAT THEY NEED 06:27.147 --> 06:29.581 TO DO, BECAUSE NOBODY SAID3 ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GOING 06:29.583 --> 06:33.886 >> AND THERE WAS POLTING DATA. >> THIS S SOMETHING TO MAKE THE 06:33.888 --> 06:36.588 BUSINESS CROWD THAT HAS BEEN CLAMMMRING NOR THIS FEEL VERY 06:36.590 --> 06:42.094 GOOD GOING INTO WELL, IT IS LIKE COTTON CANDY, IF THEY DON'T HAVE 06:42.096 --> 06:46.531 THE FULL PACKAGE. BUT THE DA SUGGESTS THAT PEOPLE 06:46.533 --> 06:48.367 HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS FLIP3 FLOP. 06:48.369 --> 06:56.208 YES, WE WILL GET MORE MONEY FOR THE ROADS NOW IT IS OOER 60%. 06:56.210 --> 06:58.911 OKAY PASTA. >>>HOW MUCH IS GOING TO SATISFY 06:58.913 --> 07:02.479 VOTERS, WEE ITH TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU HAVE JACE BULGER'S 07:02.481 --> 07:04.848 PLAN, HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IS THAT ENOUGH? 07:04.850 --> 07:09.954 HOW MUCH ARE VOTERS PAYING ATTENTION GOING WELL IT WILL BE 07:09.956 --> 07:13.090 $500 MILLION OR 1.22 WHAT MAY WANT WITH TO HEAR, OR THEY WANT, 07:13.092 --> 07:16.427 IS AN INCCEASE IN MONEY FOR THE ROADS THE HOUSE PLAA I THINK 07:16.429 --> 07:19.330 WOULD MEAN THAT LAWMAKERS COULD GO BACK AND SAY THAT. 07:19.332 --> 07:22.233 YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING WITH RICCARDVILLE. 07:22.235 --> 07:25.269 WILL WE INCREASE ROADS BECAUSE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PAYING AIR 07:25.271 --> 07:29.440 IS IT $500 MILLION OR 1.2, WE ALL ARE. 07:29.442 --> 07:31.809 >> I THINK THEY WILL NOTICE A DIFFERENCE. 07:31.811 --> 07:36.713 IF YOU PUT $1.2 BILLION THEY WILL LOOK PRETTY GOOD. 07:36.715 --> 07:42.019 IF YOU PUT $500 MMLLION, MAYBE IT DOESN'T GET TO YOUR 07:42.021 --> 07:43.154 NEIGHBORHOOD. >> WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT ARE 07:43.156 --> 07:46.890 THE POTHOLES ON MY ROAD FIXED. AND IF THEY AREN'T FIXED UNTIL 07:46.892 --> 07:49.427 JANUARY 1ST, THEN YOU ARE STILL% NOT SATISFYING PEOPLE. 07:49.429 --> 07:51.996 >> RIGHT. NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO SHOW UP 07:51.998 --> 07:54.531 NEXT WEEK, OR NEXT MONDAY IF IT IS VOTED UPON. 07:54.533 --> 07:56.400 >> BUT THE PEOPLE FROM ANTICIPATED. 07:56.402 --> 07:59.470 WHEN I ALKED TO THE DOCTOR, HE IS LIKE YEAH, THERE IS 07:59.472 --> 08:02.405 EXPECTATTON, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT úE CAN'T MOVE TOO FAST, BECAUSE 08:02.407 --> 08:05.075 FIRST OF ALL YOU CAN'T PUTTER ALL THE STUFF IN THE PIPELINE AT 08:05.077 --> 08:07.810 ONE WITH TIME, BECAUSE YOU GET IT WRONG, SO THE PEOPLE WILL SAY 08:07.812 --> 08:13.216 OH MY GOSH, THEY PASS THIS, HOW COME MY POTHOLE DOESN'T HAVE ANY 08:13.218 --> 08:15.151 ASPHALTTIN IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. 08:15.153 --> 08:19.022 ú> AND THIS IS WHY ROADS HAS BECOME SUCH AN ISSUE, BECAUSE IT 08:19.024 --> 08:21.157 IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE PHYSICALLY IS SEEING EVERY 08:21.159 --> 08:24.394 SINGLE DAY. LIKE AN ISSUE LIKE DETROIT, KIT 08:24.396 --> 08:27.497 BE DIFFERENT FOR PEOPLE. GOT HOOES ARE ALL OVVR THE 08:27.499 --> 08:30.800 DAY.E, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT >> THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT 08:30.802 --> 08:35.705 THE POLLING DATA IS THAT THEY ARE LESS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT 08:35.707 --> 08:53.390 SPENDING MORE MONEY. THEY DON'T THINK IT IS WHETHER 08:53.392 --> 08:56.459 >> WOULD YOU POP $10 MORE A MONTH, WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH BY 08:56.461 --> 08:58.495 THE WAY, AND THE MAJORITY SAID úES. 08:58.497 --> 09:01.196 >> YOU HAVE ORINASE ARE SAYING LOOK, WE ARE STILL SPENDING ON 09:01.198 --> 09:06.468 ISSUES THAT WE WITH SHOULD MOVV TAX, WHY DON'T WE USE THAT TO 09:06.470 --> 09:10.906 ROADS THAT WE ARE STILL SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON OTHER ISSUES. 09:10.908 --> 09:13.475 INFORM PEOPLE CARE SO MUCH, WHY DON'T WE MOVE SOME MONEY O 09:13.477 --> 09:15.710 ROADS. >> DETROIT PACKAGE IS MOVING 09:15.712 --> 09:18.980 WITH A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE COMMITTEE VOTT YESTERDAY. 09:18.982 --> 09:23.818 >> YES, ANDDBY TODAY IT COULD BE THROUGH THE HOUSE. 09:23.820 --> 09:28.424 IS IS THAT GOING TO HHPPEN? >> IT LOOKS TO BE. 09:28.426 --> 09:32.394 APPARENTLY OUR GUEST FEELS VERY CONFIDENT ABOUT IT, AND THE PACK 09:32.396 --> 09:34.329 DAMAGE DID GO THROUGH YYSTERDAY THROUGH THE PANEL WITHHWITH VERY 09:34.331 --> 09:36.598 FEW HICCUPS. >> 25 MINUTES. 09:36.600 --> 09:38.934 NOT BAD FOR GOVERNMENT. >> FOR 11 BILLS. 09:38.936 --> 09:41.103 >> EXACTLY. >> BUT THAT UNDERSCORES THE 09:41.105 --> 09:43.505 HOURS THAT WENT IN BEHIND THE SCENES. 09:43.507 --> 09:47.076 I KNOW TWO OF THE PARTICIPANTS MET OUT OF CONENY ISLAND OVER 09:47.078 --> 09:50.446 THE WEEKEND, AND OVER COFFEE, AND GOT SICK ON A CONENY DOG, 09:50.448 --> 09:54.216 THHY WORKS OUT THE DETAILS. THEY DO GET SOME STYLE POINTS 09:54.218 --> 09:57.152 FOR DOING THIS ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS. 09:57.154 --> 10:01.122 THIS HHS BEEN PRETTY AMAZINGLY HANDLED SO FAR. 10:01.124 --> 10:05.159 THIS IS A REALLY CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC, I HAVE TO SAY OF COURSE 10:05.161 --> 10:10.498 WE ARE HEARING FROM BOTH SIDES BUT OVERALL, AA OFFWHEN WE ARE 10:10.500 --> 10:14.068 HAVE BEEN PRETTY AAAZED BY HOW SMOOTH IT'S GONE. 10:14.070 --> 10:17.338 THE TESTIMONY FROM ORR, FROM DUGGEN, 24 HAS BEEN ANDLED VERY 10:17.340 --> 10:20.708 VERY ELL WITH. úHE OPTICS AS WELL AS JUST HOW 10:20.710 --> 10:24.612 PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. IT'S A VERY INTERESTING DYNAMIC 10:24.614 --> 10:27.115 -úWATCH. >>>AND MIKE DUGGEN, THE MAYYR 10:27.117 --> 10:28.882 GOT SOMEESTUFF IN THE BILL THAT HE WANTED. 10:28.884 --> 10:32.320 >> YEAH. DETROIT MAYORS THAT DON'T HAVE 10:32.322 --> 10:35.055 THAT GREAT OF A TRACK RECORD,3 BUT HE KNOWS HOW TO WORK THE 10:35.057 --> 10:37.425 SYSTEM. HE WAS HERE HANDS ON, WHICH IS 10:37.427 --> 10:40.495 WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. -ú>> AND TALKING TO REPUBLICANS 10:40.497 --> 10:43.331 AND DEMOCRATS, AND I MEAN HE UNDERSTANDS THE SYSTEM. 10:43.333 --> 10:46.734 HH IS PART OF THE LANE COUNTY MACHHNE, AND TTAT'S THE KIND OF 10:46.736 --> 10:50.371 VOICE YOU NEED IN DETROIT RIGHT NOW. 10:50.373 --> 10:53.541 HIS TESTIMOOY, HE SAID YOU NOTICE THIS ROOM 14 YEARS AGO, 10:53.543 --> 10:57.211 AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY DIRECTOR ASKING FOR STATE AID. 10:57.213 --> 11:01.181 IT WAS DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN, BUT THERE WAS A FINE STTTEMENT, 11:01.183 --> 11:04.717 I WAA HERE 14 YEARS AGO, NONE OF YOU WERE HERE. 11:04.719 --> 11:08.321 BUT HE DOES GET IT, AND I THIIK THEY ACCUALLY HAVE A SHOT ATT3 11:08.323 --> 11:10.157 THII THINN. >> YEAH, AND I THINK HE CAME 11:10.159 --> 11:13.893 INTO OFFICE, KNOWING THAT HE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, AND 11:13.895 --> 11:16.463 KNOWING THAT DETRRIT NEEDED TO BE FIXED FRANKLY. 11:16.465 --> 11:20.267 TALKING ABOUT ACCOMPLISHMENT IS IN THE HOUSE. 11:20.269 --> 11:22.302 >> YES. >> YEAH. 11:22.304 --> 11:24.971 >> AND THERE ARE SIMILAR PITFALLL. 11:24.973 --> 11:28.542 THE UNION ISSUES SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN RESOLVED WITH THEY WILL 11:28.544 --> 11:32.279 KICK I MONEY, BUT NOT DIRECTLY. >> MR. BULGER IS HAPPY WITH ITH 11:32.281 --> 11:33.580 THAT. >> YES. 11:33.582 --> 11:37.384 BUT YOU HAVE THE DIA, AND THAT KIND OF GOT SNUCK IN, AND THERE 11:37.386 --> 11:39.352 ARE PEOPLE WHH ARE NOT VERY THRILLED ON THAT FRONT. 11:39.354 --> 11:43.623 >> THERE WILL BE AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE THAT OUT TODAY, BUT AS I 11:43.625 --> 11:47.227 TALKED TO THE DEMOCRAT, HE STAAD YOU KNOW, IN A COMPROMISS, YOU 11:47.229 --> 11:49.829 -úHAVE TO LOSEESOMETHING TO GET SOMETHING, AND I DIDN'T LIKE 11:49.831 --> 11:52.232 THHT, BUT HE PUT NIT THE BILL BECAUSE E WITH NEEDED TO GET 11:52.234 --> 11:55.101 THE WHOLE PACKAGE. >> AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THE 11:55.103 --> 11:57.136 BALANCING ACT. WHATTARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP 11:57.138 --> 12:00.307 TO SUPPORT THE WHOLE OF WHAT YOU WANT, AND THAT WILL BE 12:00.309 --> 12:03.909 INTERESTING TO WATCH WITH. MINIMUM WAGE, THE HOUSEEIS GOING 12:03.911 --> 12:06.144 TO CHANGE THIS? >> YOU KNOW, IT IS UP IN THE 12:06.146 --> 12:08.013 AIR. THE SENATE THINKS THEY HAVE A 12:08.015 --> 12:11.116 GOOD PROPOSAL, I AM CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE HOUSE THINKS. 12:11.118 --> 12:15.621 >> NO WAY IT WILL STAY AT 920, AND INDEX TO INFLATION. 12:15.623 --> 12:18.924 >> IF THEY TAKE THE INDEX TO INFLATION OUT, THERE GO YOUR 12:18.926 --> 12:20.426 DEMOCRATS VOTES. >>>RIGHT. 12:20.428 --> 12:23.562 BUT THERE O YOUR BUSINESS SUPPORT, AND WHO NEEDS MONEY FOR 12:23.564 --> 12:26.465 CAMPAIGNS THIS YEAR, EVERYBODY. >> SO WHAT'S YOUR READ??3 12:26.467 --> 12:29.501 >> THE READ SAW THAT HOW REQUEST YOU GET A READ ON THIS ISSUE?3 12:29.503 --> 12:32.771 AS WE WERE WITH TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WHAT IS THE ENN GAMM? 12:32.773 --> 12:35.874 I MEAN THIS HHS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST DYNAMIC STORIES TO WATCH IN 12:35.876 --> 12:40.646 JUST THE SURPRISE THING TURNN IT HAS TAKEN. 12:40.648 --> 12:44.182 ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY KNOW HOWS IN GOING TO ENN, IS COMPLETELY 12:44.184 --> 12:46.652 NOT PAYING ATTENTION. BECAUSE WE ARE ALL WATCCING WHAT 12:46.654 --> 12:50.088 IS GOING ON, AND IT SEEMS LIKE WHIPLASH LL OF THE DIFFERENT 12:50.090 --> 12:52.424 CHANGES. AND I THINK SUSANNE IS RIGHT, F 12:52.426 --> 12:56.762 THEY GET RID OF THE CHAIN CPIS THERE IS NO WAY IT WILL HAPPEE. 12:56.764 --> 13:01.233 SOMEBODY -- IN FACT, THERAID AMENDMENT WAS OFFERED TO TAKE IT 13:01.235 --> 13:06.604 OUT, AND IT SURVEYED. DOESN'T HE TALK TO LACE BULGER 13:06.606 --> 13:09.039 ABOUT HIS STUFF? >> YOU KNOW, I NEVER REALLY KNOW 13:09.041 --> 13:11.409 WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW. 13:11.411 --> 13:13.811 >> THIS STORY IS THE ONE WITH THAT I THINK ALL OF REPORTERS 13:13.813 --> 13:16.213 AND PEOPLE WHO WATCH WITH US WISH WITH THEY WERE FLIES ON THE 13:16.215 --> 13:18.283 ROAD. ROADS IS INTERESTING, YOU WISH 13:18.285 --> 13:23.220 YOU KNEW WHAT THE DISCUSSIONSS3 WERE. 13:23.222 --> 13:27.425 DISCUSSION, BECAASE IT WAS ONLY TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT RANDY HAA 13:27.427 --> 13:30.127 THE SAME POSITION -- NO, THIS WILL KILL HE ECONOMY, NNW IF WE 13:30.129 --> 13:33.665 WITH DO IT A LITTLE LESS THAN A DOLLAR, THEN WHAT THE PROPOSAL 13:33.667 --> 13:41.472 IS THAT WON'T KILL THE ECONOMY. AND LET'S GO AHE IS AND PASS IT. 13:41.474 --> 13:44.575 AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACER TOO. 13:44.577 --> 13:47.011 THIS WILL KIIL DEMOCRACY, BUT LET'' DO IT. 13:47.013 --> 13:50.381 >> REPRESENTATIVE, WOULD YOU PLEASE. 13:50.383 --> 13:53.851 >> JOHN WALSH IS THE SPEAKER PRO TEM, AND IS SERVING HIS FINAL 13:53.853 --> 13:56.754 TERM IN THE HOUSE. HE SITS ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE 13:56.756 --> 13:59.890 AND WORKING ON THE HIGHER ED AND JUDICIARY BUDGETS. 13:59.892 --> 14:02.392 HE CURRENTLY CHAIR S SPECIAL HOUSE COMMITTEE ON AID TO 14:02.394 --> 14:05.796 DETROIT. HE HOLDS A B.A. DEGREE FROM MSU, 14:05.798 --> 14:09.800 ANN HIS LAW DEGREE FROM WAYNE STATE. 14:09.802 --> 14:11.401 REPRESENTATIVE, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGGAA. 14:11.403 --> 14:15.071 >> THANK YOO. >> SO ONE OF THE OPPONENTS TO 14:15.073 --> 14:19.042 YOUR GRAND BARGAIN FOR DETROIT, CCMES IN THE FORM OF A TEA PARTY 14:19.044 --> 14:22.145 GROUP MERICANS FOR PROSPERITY. DO THEY HAVE THE POWER TO 14:22.147 --> 14:25.248 SUDDENLL THIS, OR ARE YOU GUYS GOING O MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY? 14:25.250 --> 14:29.219 >> I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, ESPITE THAT. 14:29.221 --> 14:32.088 CERTAINLY IT WILL HAVE SOME IMPACT. 14:32.090 --> 14:34.758 THEY DO HAVV THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO STATE THEIR OPINION, 14:34.760 --> 14:38.428 AND TO EXERCISE IT, AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT, IT APPEERS, 14:38.430 --> 14:44.835 WITH A LOT OF STRENGTH, BUT I THINK THE STORYY THE ARGUMENTS, 14:44.837 --> 14:48.672 LEGAL, AND FINANCIAL, FROM A HUMAN DIGNNTY TAND POINT ILL 14:48.674 --> 14:51.140 PREVAIL TODAY. >> ARE THEY THREATENING YOUR 14:51.142 --> 14:53.543 MEMBERS. >> I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT. 14:53.545 --> 14:56.780 >> IT SAID THAT IN THE LETTER. >> I HAVEE'T SEEN THE LETTER. 14:56.782 --> 15:00.450 I HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON MORE OF THE POSITIVE, AND LET'S GET THIS 15:00.452 --> 15:01.751 DONE. >> THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO 15:01.753 --> 15:04.487 SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO EDUCATE THE VOTERS CAN IS CODE FOR? 15:04.489 --> 15:09.725 >> THEY WILL FRY TO PROBABLY BOUNCE SOME PEOPLE OUT OF 15:09.727 --> 15:11.794 PRIMARIES I AM GOING TOOTAKE MY TIME. 15:11.796 --> 15:15.664 TO BACK PEOPLE THAT I THINK ARE3 AND THAA HAPPENS TO BE THE 15:15.666 --> 15:17.833 INCUMBENTT. I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD 15:17.835 --> 15:21.637 JOB, I HAVE TO GO OUT AND BREAK MY BACK TO PROTECT A VOTE THAT I 15:21.639 --> 15:30.946 THINK IS RIGHT. >> WE WITH HAVE A VERR OPEN 15:30.948 --> 15:36.452 CAUCUS. WE HAVE AAGREAT WILLINGNESS THE. 15:36.454 --> 15:41.156 HOW WE CAANGETAROUUD WHAT COULD BE A POLICY CONCERN, OR A 15:41.158 --> 15:46.161 POLITICAL CONCERN. WHAT DO YOU THIIK ABOUT TOSSING 15:46.163 --> 15:49.698 THE BOMB AT THE 11TH HOUR? >> WHAT IS THAT SMILE FOR? 15:49.700 --> 15:52.034 >> BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING AT THE END. 15:52.036 --> 15:55.771 ALWAYS SOMEEHING THE L 24 HOURS. YOU THINK YOU ARE MOVING ALONG, 15:55.773 --> 15:58.707 AND ADDRESSED THE ISSUES AND THEN SOMETHING COMES OUT OF 15:58.709 --> 16:08.983 RIGHT FIELD. I HAVE DONE WORK IN THE FAST AS 16:08.985 --> 16:12.954 BONED ATTORNNY SO I HAVE FAMIILARITT WITH IT. 16:12.956 --> 16:16.858 AND IT'S ALL IN MEDIATION. IT IS SUBJECT TO JUDGE ROSEN AND 16:16.860 --> 16:19.360 HIS WORK. ON TRYING TO BRING ABOUT AN 16:19.362 --> 16:21.996 AUTHORITY OR SELL IT OR LEAVE úITTWITH THE CCTY OF DETROIT. 16:21.998 --> 16:27.068 OF THE BLUE COMES SOME LIMITS OF PERHAPS WE CANNAPPEAL TO THE 16:27.070 --> 16:30.605 LEGISLATURE. I COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THEY HAVE 16:30.607 --> 16:35.643 A VALID POINT OR NOT. BUT THEY ARE IN THE WRONG VENUE. 16:35.645 --> 16:45.152 >> TALK A LITTLE BBT ABOUT THE >>>THE -- IT'S THE INSTITUTE OF 16:45.154 --> 16:49.557 ARTS THAT IS PURSUING FROM MMVING TO A PUBLICLY OWNED TO A 16:49.559 --> 16:53.862 THAT IS PART OF THE GRAND BARGAIN IT HAS BEEN KNOWN.3 16:53.864 --> 16:57.198 AS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT, THEY AAE COMING FORRARD AND SUGGESTING WE 16:57.200 --> 17:03.236 CAN BRING MONEY, THROUGH WE RAISE, TO SECURE OUR 17:03.238 --> 17:09.810 COLLECTION, AND MOVE INTT A 501 LONGER OONED BY THE CITY, AND SO 17:09.812 --> 17:13.814 ONE OF THE BILLS THAT IS IN THE PAAKAGE, IS TO ADJUST TTE FACT 17:13.816 --> 17:15.749 THERE WILL BE A CHANGE OF OWNEESHIP. 17:15.751 --> 17:18.752 FROM A PUBLICLY OWNED ENTITY, TO A PRIVATELY OWNED. 17:18.754 --> 17:22.990 >> WHY IS THE DIA NOT PART OF THE GRAND BARGAIN? 17:22.992 --> 17:25.425 AS THEY CAMM OUT PUBLICLY, AND MADE THAT STATEMENT.% 17:25.427 --> 17:28.595 >> THEY ARE PART OF THE PLAN OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS THE 17:28.597 --> 17:31.832 SETTLEMENT. IF THERE'S A DRIVING DOCUMENT 17:31.834 --> 17:34.467 THAT'S THE BAR DWAYNE. IT IS THE PLAN OF ADJUSTMENT 17:34.469 --> 17:37.938 THAT THE COURT WILL ULTIMATELY BANG WITH A GAV VEAL INTO 17:37.940 --> 17:41.041 EFFECT, IF EVERYBODY IS ONBOARD. THEY ARE PART OF IT. 17:41.043 --> 17:44.645 >> WHY HAVE THE D.I.A. BE PART OF THII BILL? 17:44.647 --> 17:49.783 OBVIOUSLY, THEY SAID THEYYWANT TO PUT $100 MILLION OVER 2003 17:49.785 --> 17:52.953 YEARS TOWARDS THIS PACKAGE THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO 17:52.955 --> 18:00.460 BUT WHY HAVE THAT SPEEIFIC ISSUE WHEN THE MILK ISN'T EVEN UP 18:00.462 --> 18:03.596 UNSTILL 2022 WITHIN WHY NOT HAVE THAT NOT BE PART OF THE PACKAGE 18:03.598 --> 18:06.732 AND DEAL WITH THAT LATER ON, IF THAT IS A TICKING POINT? 18:06.734 --> 18:10.335 >> THERE'S TWO THINGS IN THE QUESTION, WHY ARE THEY PART OF 18:10.337 --> 18:13.606 THEY ARE GOING TO BRING DIRECTLY, BUT THEY ARE 18:13.608 --> 18:17.509 ATTRACTING OVER $3000MILLION FROM VARIOUS FOUNDATIONS. 18:17.511 --> 18:20.746 WE PARTICIPATE, AND HELP DETROIT COME OUT OF BANKRUPTCY IF TTE 18:20.748 --> 18:24.650 STATE OF MICHHGAN PARTIIIPATES, IF ALL OF THE STAKE HOLDERS 18:24.652 --> 18:28.588 AGREE TO THE PLAN, AND YOU LEAVE IT ALONE. 18:28.590 --> 18:30.957 >> ABSOLLTELY. >> O THAT'S HOW THEY ARE 18:30.959 --> 18:34.426 SECURING IT. BUT PART OF THAT, IS A BUILT 18:34.428 --> 18:40.165 THHT ALLOWED THEM TO COLLECT A% MILLEDGE IF THE VOTERS AGREE, I 18:40.167 --> 18:42.902 THINN THEY ARE ABOUT TWO YEARS INTO A TEN YEAR PERIOD. 18:42.904 --> 18:46.538 THE LEGISLATION WILL GIVE THEM A SECOND TEN YEAR PERIOD. 18:46.540 --> 18:49.541 WHAT WE ARE SAYIIG IS YOU ARE MOVING INTO A PRIVATE STATUS. 18:49.543 --> 18:54.546 YOU ARE NO LONGER PUBLICLY OONED, FOR ME, AND SOME OF MY 18:54.548 --> 18:58.584 THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS. 18:58.586 --> 19:01.686 WE CAN LEAVING THE CURRENT MILLEDGE IN PLACE. 19:01.688 --> 19:05.056 >> WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH WITH BINDING ARBITRATION WITH WITH 19:05.058 --> 19:07.525 POLICE AND FIRE. >> THAT CONTINUES ---OH, THE ONE 19:07.527 --> 19:10.862 WITH ARTICULAR BILL. THERE'S SO MANY ITEMS. 19:10.864 --> 19:16.467 WITH WITH RESPEET TO THAT, THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS THAT 19:16.469 --> 19:19.671 THE MUNICIIALITY WILL DEAL WITH WITH, IS COLLECTIVE BARGAINS 19:19.673 --> 19:22.841 AGREEMENTS AND FOR POLICE AND FIRE, BIBBING ARBITRATION. 19:22.843 --> 19:27.445 ALL WE ARE DOING -- THE FIRST BILL WAS A BROAD OVERREACH. 19:27.447 --> 19:31.850 I DID NOT INTEND THAT, DRAFTING SOMETIMES GOES A LITTLE GOOFY, 19:31.852 --> 19:35.419 YOU GET THE BILL, AND YOU HAVE TO AMEND IT. 19:35.421 --> 19:36.888 THE AMENDMENT TAILORS IT VERY TIGHTLY. 19:36.890 --> 19:40.091 >> SO YOU AREN'T THROWING OUT BINDING ARBIIRATION. 19:40.093 --> 19:43.461 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. I DIFFERRFROM MY OOIR 19:43.463 --> 19:47.565 COLLEAGUES, I LIKE 312. ú> WELL, YOU PASSED IT ON THE 19:47.567 --> 19:48.599 BIPARTISAN BASIS.3 >> CORRECT..3 19:48.601 --> 19:52.403 ú> THE SPEAKER HOLDS THAT UP - >> CORRECT, II WAS WELL WITH 19:52.405 --> 19:55.306 DONE. THIS JUST SIMPLY SAYS IF THERE 19:55.308 --> 19:58.476 IS BINDING ARBITRATION UNDERWAY, AND THE CITY HAS TO FFLE 19:58.478 --> 20:03.080 NUMBERS,,DOCUMENTATION, IF THE COMMISSION BELIIVES THAT 20:03.082 --> 20:06.083 COMMISSIONER WILL PROVIDE OVERSITE THAT THERE'S SOME 20:06.085 --> 20:08.819 INACCURACY, OR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED 20:08.821 --> 20:11.155 THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SUBMIT INFORMATION. 20:11.157 --> 20:14.457 THE ARBITTATOR IS REQUIRED TO CONSIDER IT, BUT NOT PRIORITIZE 20:14.459 --> 20:18.062 IT, TTAT'S ALL THE BILL DOES. >> ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES I THINK 20:18.064 --> 20:21.398 IS THIS IDEA OF TAXPAYER MONEY -úGOING TO DETROIT. 20:21.400 --> 20:24.168 -úTHAT HAS BEEN THE NARRATIVE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE 20:24.170 --> 20:27.171 BILL. EXPLAIN WHY IS THIS A GOOD DEAL 20:27.173 --> 20:30.074 FOR TAXPAYERS IN. >> I CAN EXPLAINNNIT A COUPLE OF 20:30.076 --> 20:32.209 WAYS. PUT ON MYYLEGAL HAT. 20:32.211 --> 20:35.478 AS A LAWWER, THIS ISN'T A SETTLEMENT, WE WITH HAVE MANY 20:35.480 --> 20:38.816 MANN DISPUTES IN PLACE. WHEN YOU CAN BRING RESOLUTION, 20:38.818 --> 20:42.352 OR LIMIT WHAT CAN BE YOUR POTENTIAL EXPOSURE, FOR WHAT 20:42.354 --> 20:47.257 COULD BE 10 CENTS, 20 CENTS ON A DOLLAR, AND YOU BRING 20:47.259 --> 20:49.993 RESOLUTION, YOU ALLOW THE CITIZEN TO OVE FORWARD, YOU END 20:49.995 --> 20:54.164 THE LITIGATION, THERE ARE 18 CASES THAT WILL PEND AS A PART 20:54.166 --> 20:56.900 OF THIS. WE WILL SAVE $20 MILLION IN3 20:56.902 --> 20:59.770 LEGAL FEES ALONE.3 JUST ON THAT, SO I THINK THERE'S 20:59.772 --> 21:03.106 A LEGAL REASON TOODO IT. IT BRINGS RESOLUTION, AND LETS 21:03.108 --> 21:06.008 US MOVE FFRWARD. FINANCIALLY, YOU ARE TAKING A 21:06.010 --> 21:10.113 LOOK AT CITY THAT IS ON HOLD. YOU ARE LOOKING AT A STATE THAT 21:10.115 --> 21:14.416 IS ON HOLD.3 THE STATE DOOSN'T MAKE THAT3HIS, 21:14.418 --> 21:17.620 INVESTMENT. THE CUTS THAT WILL HAVE TO OCCUR 21:17.622 --> 21:21.724 TO THE PPNSIONERS WILL BECOME SO SEVERE TO END THE BANKRUPTCY, 21:21.726 --> 21:26.395 THAT ON A CONSERVATIVE BASIS, IT -úWILL COST THE STATE $270 MILLN 21:26.397 --> 21:30.366 ALONE, IN SOCIAL SAFETY NET COSTS. 21:30.368 --> 21:34.637 >> SO -- SO THIS S A DEAL, JUST ON THAT NUMBER ALONE, THAT IN 21:34.639 --> 21:37.974 THE LEGAL COST, AND OTHER POTENTIAL EXPENSES THE STATE 21:37.976 --> 21:39.541 FACES I THINK THIS IS A WISE THING TO DO. 21:39.543 --> 21:44.781 >> FUR THE LAWMAKERS THAT ARE IN SWING DISTRICTS WILL YOU GIVE 21:44.783 --> 21:47.183 THEM A PASS? >> WE ARE ASKING EVERYONE TO 21:47.185 --> 21:52.421 VOTE THEIR CONSCIOUS. WE HAVE HEARD ARGUMENTS AGAINST, 21:52.423 --> 21:55.491 BUT WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO STAND UP AND DO WHAT THEY THINK 21:55.493 --> 21:58.127 IS RIGHT. OF COURSE PEOPLL HAVE POLICY AND 21:58.129 --> 22:00.263 POLITICAL CONCERNS TTEYYHAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCCUNT. 22:00.265 --> 22:03.665 >> O YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN VOTES IN. 22:03.667 --> 22:06.868 >> I DO EXPEET A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN VOTES BUT WE NEED TO 22:06.870 --> 22:10.172 DEMOCRATS TO GET HIS ACROSS. SOME HAVE TRIED TOOMAKE THIS A 22:10.174 --> 22:12.974 REPUBLICAN ISSUE, THIS IS A GEOGRAPHIC ISSUE. 22:12.976 --> 22:16.244 >> IT IS A GEOGRAPHIC. >> ABSOLUTELY. 22:16.246 --> 22:19.881 >> AND THERE ARE A LOT THAT DON'T LIKEEDETROIT. 22:19.883 --> 22:21.783 >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT 22:21.785 --> 22:24.286 REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, T IS SOMEBODY SITTING IN A DISTRICT, 22:24.288 --> 22:29.257 FAR FAR AWAY FROM HERE, SAYING WHY AM I SENDING MY CITIZENS TAX 22:29.259 --> 22:32.593 DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS. SOOIT IS GOING TO BE A 22:32.595 --> 22:36.497 COMBINATION OF PEOPLE FROM GOING O BE A LOCK SOLID 22:36.499 --> 22:41.402 REPUBLICAN OR A LOCK SOLID DDMOCRATIC VOTE. 22:41.404 --> 22:45.707 IF THE VOTE DOESN'T HAAPEN TODAY, WHY WOULD THAT HAVE 22:45.709 --> 22:50.645 HAPPENED? >> I FELT PRETTY GOOD LAST 22:50.647 --> 22:54.182 NIGHT, AND THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THE DEMOCRATS, BUT 12 HOURS HAVE 22:54.184 --> 22:57.385 PASSED, AND I AM PRAYING EVERY TEXT, AND PHONE CALL I GET THAT 22:57.387 --> 23:03.690 SOMETHING HASN'T CHANGED. WE WITH HAVE SOME MINOR 23:03.692 --> 23:06.026 AMENDMENTS BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD RACK ANYBODY. 23:06.028 --> 23:09.964 THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE IS IF SOMEBODY WENT ANDDDID A 23:09.966 --> 23:13.167 TOWN HALL, AND THEY RECEIVED SUCH NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, OR 23:13.169 --> 23:20.307 CHANGE THE VOTE.HEY DECIDED TO MIKE DUNN CAN RUNNING THE VOTE? 23:20.309 --> 23:23.477 >> HE PORTRAYS A LOT OF CONFIDENCE. 23:23.479 --> 23:25.579 >> POST MIKE DUNN CAN IS THE CONCERN, ISN'T IT? 23:25.581 --> 23:29.483 >> IT IS PART OF THEECOOCERN. WWEN YOU CAN LOOK AT A PERSON, 23:29.485 --> 23:32.719 YOU CAN SHAKE THEIR HAND, YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF THE PERSON 23:32.721 --> 23:37.157 NARKS' OMFORTAALE. OR DISCOMFORTING IF YOU HAVE A% 23:37.159 --> 23:46.867 DIIFERENT TRACK RECORD. THE OVERSIGHT WE WITH ARE TRYING 23:46.869 --> 23:50.837 TO PROVIDE. IN A REASONABLE FFSHION. 23:50.839 --> 23:54.074 >> SOME SAY YOU GAVE AWAY TTE FARM. 23:54.076 --> 24:01.215 BASICALLY EVERYTHING HE WAATED. YOU SHOWED ME IN THIS DOCUMENT 24:01.217 --> 24:05.385 OF THE FOUR PAGES OF CONDITION WHAT DD THEY GIVE AWAY. 24:05.387 --> 24:18.965 WHAT DO THEY GIVE AWAA, WE WITH IF YOU RECEIVE A VARIETY OF -- 24:18.967 --> 24:22.302 THE VERSITE BOARD GOES DORMANT, THEY ARE STILL THERE, GEETING 24:22.304 --> 24:25.171 REPORTS BUTTTHE CITY GOES ABOUT ITS BUSINESS. 24:25.173 --> 24:27.873 WE MADE SURE THE COUNCIL HAD REPRESENTATION. 24:27.875 --> 24:33.579 ON THE COMMISSIONN IT CCANGES HOW THINGS ARE GOING 24:33.581 --> 24:37.183 TO BE MEASURES OR RUN. >> WHY DOES A GUY LEAD HIS 24:37.185 --> 24:39.618 CHARGE? >> WELL, IT'S -- IT IS CLOSE TO 24:39.620 --> 24:49.062 MYYDISTRICT, FIRST AND FOREMOST. I SPEND A LOT OF TIMM THERE AS A 24:49.064 --> 24:53.866 CHILD. WENT TO LAW SCHOOL THERE, SPENT 24:53.868 --> 25:02.040 A LOT OF TIME OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS IN THE CITY. 25:02.042 --> 25:06.979 IT IS A WONDERFUL CITY THAT CAN HAVE A GREAT FUTURE. 25:06.981 --> 25:09.747 IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US TTAT IT SUCCEEDS. 25:09.749 --> 25:16.554 >> ISN'T 14 YEARS OF OVERSIGHT A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC? 25:16.556 --> 25:21.526 >> YOU CAN TAKE IT AS THAT, BUT YOU CAN ALSO THINK IT AS A 25:21.528 --> 25:23.962 REASONED DOZE OF APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR, WHEN YOU ARE ASKING 25:23.964 --> 25:26.664 PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE TO MAKE3 AN INVESTMENT, IN A CITY THAT 25:26.666 --> 25:32.404 THEY HAVE REASON TO BE NERVOUS ABOUT. 25:32.406 --> 25:37.142 50 YEARS OF NOT SO GOOD HISTORY, SOME OF IT WAS CAUSEE BY 25:37.144 --> 25:40.178 MISMANAGEMENT.3 YOU ARE TALLING TO SOMEBODY TO 25:40.180 --> 25:42.881 SAY I CAN GGT BEHIND THIS, BUT THEY DON'T WANT WITH TO JUST 25:42.883 --> 25:45.884 GIVE THE MONEY. SO THEY ARE TRYING TO PATTERN 25:45.886 --> 25:49.021 SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAA NEW YORK DID, HAVE PROPER OVERSSGHT, 25:49.023 --> 25:51.256 WHILE ALLOWING THE CITY DO GO ABOUT IT. 25:51.258 --> 25:54.259 >> AFTER YOU GET OUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? 25:54.261 --> 25:58.430 >> WHAT WILL I DO NEXT,LY GO BACK TO MY LAW PRACTICE OR AC 25:58.432 --> 25:59.998 DAME YEAH. THAT SUMMERLY BE WORKING ON 26:00.000 --> 26:02.333 THAT, BUT LIT BE ONE OF THOSE TWO THINGS. 26:02.335 --> 26:04.701 >> YOU DON'T WANT WITH TO RUN. >> I AM GOOD. 26:04.703 --> 26:06.837 [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WAS WITH QUICK. 26:06.839 --> 26:09.840 >> THIS WAS A COMMITMENT MY WIFE AND I -- 26:09.842 --> 26:12.576 >> I HEAR MY IFE IN THE BACKGROUNDD 26:12.578 --> 26:14.611 >> WE BELIEVED THIS WAS SIX YEAR COMMITMENT. 26:14.613 --> 26:17.881 THERE WAS SOMETHING I FELT I COULD DO, I HAD TO DO, I JUST 26:17.883 --> 26:21.185 WANTED TO STAND UP, BUTS THISN'T HOW I INTEND TO SPEND THE REST 26:21.187 --> 26:27.691 OF MY LIFE,LY NEVER SAY NEVER -- >> ZOE, SUZY, EMILY, SSE YOU 26:27.693 --> 26:32.263 -úNEXT WEEK, RIGHT HERE ON "OFF THE RECORD." 26:32.265 --> 26:36.200 >> PRODUCTIONNFOR "OOF THE RECORD" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY A 26:36.202 --> 26:40.404 GRANT FROM TRUSSCOTT ROSSMAN, MICHIGAN'S ONLY BIPARTISAN 26:40.406 --> 26:43.174 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIINS FIRM, SERVING STATEWIDE, NATIONAL, AND 26:43.176 --> 26:46.077 INTERNATIONAL CLIENTS FROM THEIR OFFICES IN LANSING, DEEROIT,,AND 26:46.079 --> 26:49.547 GRAND RAPIDS. 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