1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,441 RECORD" STARTS RIGHT AFTER THIS. ON THE OTR PANEL THIS EEK, 2 00:00:10,443 --> 00:00:14,579 SUSANNE DEMISAND EMILY LAWLER, ALONG WITH WITH ZOE CLARK. 3 00:00:14,581 --> 00:00:17,549 HERE IS THE RUN DOWN. MORE MONEY FOR THE ROADS, LOTS 4 00:00:17,551 --> 00:00:19,584 MORE. AND LAAEE ON REPUBLICAN% 5 00:00:19,586 --> 00:00:23,688 REPRESENTATIVEEJOHN WELSH IS HERE TO DISCUSS THAT STATE AID 6 00:00:23,690 --> 00:00:26,658 PACKAGE FOR MO TOWN. ALL OF THIS AND MORE COMING UP 7 00:00:26,660 --> 00:00:38,036 RRGHT NOW ON "OFF THE RECORD." >>¶ . 8 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:41,873 >> GETTING THE INSIDE OUT. 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PROVIDING SOLUTIONS AND CHOICES 18 00:01:13,338 --> 00:01:16,306 FOR HOME COMFORT DURING ALL MICHIGAN SEASONS. 19 00:01:16,308 --> 00:01:19,276 HAGER FOX IN BRYANT, WHATEVER IT TAKESS 20 00:01:19,278 --> 00:01:22,980 HAGERFOX.COM. >> AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF 21 00:01:22,982 --> 00:01:26,984 THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK. >> THANK YOU, JOE DONOVAN AND 22 00:01:26,986 --> 00:01:32,522 WELCOME TO THIS HOLIDAY EDITION THURSDAY.% 23 00:01:32,524 --> 00:01:36,393 RANDY, SENNTOR REPUBLICAN LEADER %--úMONEY ON THE ROADS.BUNCH OF 24 00:01:36,395 --> 00:01:41,565 >> YOU WILL PAY MORE GASOLINE TAX THAN YOU DO TODAY. 25 00:01:41,567 --> 00:01:47,270 THE PROPOSAL WOULD HIKE THE TAX TO 7.5%, WHICH HE CLAIMS WILL 26 00:01:47,272 --> 00:01:50,507 RAISE A BUNDLE TT FIX YOUR POTHOLE. 27 00:01:50,509 --> 00:01:54,778 >> THAT WILL CREATE SIX TO $650 MILLION, THE NEXT WHERE 28 00:01:54,780 --> 00:01:58,381 SOMEWHERE AROUND 85, NEXT YEAR3 SOMEWHERE AROUND 1 BILLION. 29 00:01:58,383 --> 00:02:03,086 AND EVVNTUALLY WE WILL GET US TO THE 1.5 BILLION WE NEED TO FIX 30 00:02:03,088 --> 00:02:07,023 THE PROBLLM. >> ADDED ADDITION DOLLARS PASSED 31 00:02:07,025 --> 00:02:12,695 BY THE HOUSE RECENTLY, BY ELIMINATE ADDIS COUNTTON YOUR 32 00:02:12,697 --> 00:02:17,566 NEW CARR REGISTRATION FEES. >> HAT WILL HELP RAISE 33 00:02:17,568 --> 00:02:20,803 $140 MILLION A JEER, FOR THE TRANSPORTATION OPPORTUNITY. 34 00:02:20,805 --> 00:02:25,474 >> BUT THE DEMOCRATS COMPLAINED THAN SOMETHING ELSE SHOULD BE, 35 00:02:25,476 --> 00:02:27,209 DONE TO TAKE THE STING OUT OF THAT. 36 00:02:27,211 --> 00:02:32,849 >> WE WANT WITH TO MAKE SURE, THAT THE CITIZENS ARE JUST 37 00:02:32,851 --> 00:02:37,319 NOT -- WE KEEP PILING IT ON, ADDING TAXES, WE NICKEL AND IME 38 00:02:37,321 --> 00:02:39,622 THEY WANT, AND WE NICK AND DIME THEN INTO THE POOR HOUSE. 39 00:02:39,624 --> 00:02:43,159 -ú>> BUT THE SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADER DOES NOT WANT WITH TO 40 00:02:43,161 --> 00:02:45,728 HORSE TRADE WITH THE DEMOCRATS. >> IF I WAS A DEMOCRAT LEADER, 41 00:02:45,730 --> 00:02:48,765 AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS VOTING FOR A 42 00:02:48,767 --> 00:02:54,470 MAJORITY OF THE VOTES, NECESSARY TO PASS THE TAX INCREASE IN AN 43 00:02:54,472 --> 00:02:58,107 ELECTION YEAR, AND FOR 30 SOME THOUSAND WORKERS TO WORK, I 44 00:02:58,109 --> 00:03:00,309 WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO ASK FOR SOMETHING MORE. 45 00:03:00,311 --> 00:03:06,081 LEADER WILL ASK IS FOR SOMETHING BEFORE THIS IS OVER. 46 00:03:06,083 --> 00:03:09,617 EVEN IF THE TWO SIDES MAKE A DEAL, THIS PACKAGE WILL NOT 47 00:03:09,619 --> 00:03:12,054 IMMEDIATELY RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. >> THE BILL THEY ARE TALKING 48 00:03:12,056 --> 00:03:15,724 ABOUT NOW, ACTUALLY GOES IN EFFECT JANUARY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR, 49 00:03:15,726 --> 00:03:19,427 SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL START TOMORROW. 50 00:03:19,429 --> 00:03:22,330 >> YEAH, NOT GOING TO START TOMORROW, BUT THAT'S A SIDE 51 00:03:22,332 --> 00:03:24,465 POINT. RICHARD, THIS IS A BUNDLE OF 52 00:03:24,467 --> 00:03:25,433 MONEY. >> RIGHT. 53 00:03:25,435 --> 00:03:28,503 AND THE BULK OF IT COMES FROM THE WHOLESALE TAX. 54 00:03:28,505 --> 00:03:34,976 SO FOR BOTH GAS AND DIESEL, IT WOULD GET UP TO 15.5%, WHICH IS 55 00:03:34,978 --> 00:03:37,245 MORE THAN DOUBLE THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW, STARTING IN WENT 15. 56 00:03:37,247 --> 00:03:39,815 >> DOES THIS HAVE A CHANCE. >> IT DOES..3 57 00:03:39,817 --> 00:03:42,483 CERTAINLY THE MICHIGAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR 58 00:03:42,485 --> 00:03:45,386 ROAD FUNDING FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND THEY ARE A POWERFUL 59 00:03:45,388 --> 00:03:49,390 INTEREST GROUP. BUT SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OO THE 60 00:03:49,392 --> 00:03:53,095 CAUCUS, WHO ARE FACINGG3 REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES MUST BE 61 00:03:53,097 --> 00:03:56,732 JUST ABOUU READY TO THROTTLE HIM RIGHT NOW. 62 00:03:56,734 --> 00:03:58,266 >> WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT HE IS TERM LIMITED. 63 00:03:58,268 --> 00:04:01,068 >> WE SHOULD. >> MAYBE PART OF EQUATION HERE. 64 00:04:01,070 --> 00:04:03,904 >> AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IS REPUBLICANS OF COURSE 65 00:04:03,906 --> 00:04:07,208 AS YOUR PIECE SET UP, THERE'S THIS ISSUE OF WILL DEMOCRATS GET 66 00:04:07,210 --> 00:04:09,777 ONBOARD. EVERYONE IS SAYING LET'S FIX THE 67 00:04:09,779 --> 00:04:14,715 RRAD, LET'S RACE MONEY, EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON THAT, THE ISSUE IS 68 00:04:14,717 --> 00:04:17,584 HOW WILL WE WITH DO IT, IT IS THE SAME STORY FOR MONTHS. 69 00:04:17,586 --> 00:04:20,788 THEY ARE READY TO, BUT HOW ARE3 THEY GOING TO, AND DEMOCRATS 70 00:04:20,790 --> 00:04:23,724 WILL BE A BIG PART OF THIS, AT LEAST ARE TRYING TO BECOME A BIG 71 00:04:23,726 --> 00:04:26,293 PART OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS. -ú>> WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO ASK 72 00:04:26,295 --> 00:04:28,362 FOR? >> IN COMMITTEE, AT LEAST, THEY 73 00:04:28,364 --> 00:04:31,498 TRIED TO TIE IT TO UNRELATED ISSUES. 74 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:35,035 MINIMUM WAGE BILLS, SOME THINGS LIKEETHE PENSION TAX. 75 00:04:35,037 --> 00:04:38,139 >> EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT. >> EARNED INCOME TAX, SO THINGS 76 00:04:38,141 --> 00:04:39,907 THAT AREN'T IRECTLY RELATED TO THE ROADS. 77 00:04:39,909 --> 00:04:42,676 >> THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING HIT 78 00:04:42,678 --> 00:04:46,680 WITH WITH THESE TAX INCREASESS SO HELP THE WORKING POOR, SO 79 00:04:46,682 --> 00:04:51,485 THAT THEY ARE NOT -- THEER PICKETSSARE NOT -- THEIR POCKETS 80 00:04:51,487 --> 00:04:54,688 ARE NOT PICKED. AND HELP THEM ITH THE MINIMUM 81 00:04:54,690 --> 00:04:57,091 WAGE, SO THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY TOOGIVE IT TO THE 82 00:04:57,093 --> 00:04:58,793 GOVERNMENT. >> BUT THE INTERESTING WRINKLE 83 00:04:58,795 --> 00:05:02,162 IN THIS DEBATE, THE GOVERNOR CALLED IN THE TWO DEMOCRATIC 84 00:05:02,164 --> 00:05:07,133 LEADEES FOR THE FIRST TIME, I THINK THIS IS HATCH THE 85 00:05:07,135 --> 00:05:09,803 QUADRANT. >> AND IT WAS THE "IRREEEVANT 86 00:05:09,805 --> 00:05:13,039 HALF." BUT HE REALIZES HE NEEDS VOTES. 87 00:05:13,041 --> 00:05:16,309 I AM FOOD FROM A THIRD PARTY, WHEN THEY RAISE THE ISSUE OF 88 00:05:16,311 --> 00:05:19,445 úORSE TRADING, IS GOVERNMENT -- WHAT DO YOU MEAN HORSE TRADING? 89 00:05:19,447 --> 00:05:23,582 >> TTE GOVERNOR IS ALLAYS SAYING HE DOESN'T HORSE RADE. 90 00:05:23,584 --> 00:05:26,953 >> IF HE WANTS VOTE HE HAS TO COUGH SOMETHING UP. 91 00:05:26,955 --> 00:05:30,323 >> ALTHOUGH THE GOVERNOR HAS REMAINED VERYYQUIET. 92 00:05:30,325 --> 00:05:33,592 FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS HE HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR ROAD FUNDING, 93 00:05:33,594 --> 00:05:38,064 SAYING WE NEED ABOUT THE AMOUNT THAT RANDY RICHARD IS LOOKING 94 00:05:38,066 --> 00:05:40,499 úT, $1.2 BILLION ANNUALLY A YEAR, AND NOW HIS PAST WEEK WE 95 00:05:40,501 --> 00:05:43,669 WITH HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FROM3 HIM, AND WE WITH ARE SEEING 96 00:05:43,671 --> 00:05:46,873 NEGOTIATIONS SORT OF HEAT UP. >> AND YOU KNOW MICHIGAN CHAMBER 97 00:05:46,875 --> 00:05:50,576 PRESIDENT WAS ON TWITTER AT SIX IN THE MORNING SAYING NO HORSE 98 00:05:50,578 --> 00:05:54,747 TRADING WHATSOEVER. THESE ARE PEEP WHO DONNT LIKE TO 99 00:05:54,749 --> 00:05:58,184 COMPROMISE, AND THE DEMOCRATS DON'T HAVE THAT MANY VOTES.3 100 00:05:58,186 --> 00:06:01,019 >> WELL, THAA IS TTE KEY POINT, THE DEMOCRATS HHVE NO VOTES TO 101 00:06:01,021 --> 00:06:03,889 DO ANYTHING. THEY ONLY LEVERAGE THEY HAVE IS 102 00:06:03,891 --> 00:06:06,458 SAY LET'S MAKE A DEAL OO WE WON'T GIVE YOU VOTES. 103 00:06:06,460 --> 00:06:10,162 >> THINK THE POINT IS THAT WANT O VOTE FOR THIS. 104 00:06:10,164 --> 00:06:12,231 >> WHICH MEANS THEY NEED EVEN MORE. 105 00:06:12,233 --> 00:06:15,367 >> EXACTLY. I THINK THEY ARE MORE LEVERAGE 106 00:06:15,369 --> 00:06:18,036 THAN USUAL. >> WELL, DOES RANDY -- HE IS 107 00:06:18,038 --> 00:06:24,509 GOING TO RUN THIS NEXT WEEK, THAT'S A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME. 108 00:06:24,511 --> 00:06:27,145 BUT LET'S KEEP II MIND, THAT WOULD BE HALF OF WHAT THEY NEED 109 00:06:27,147 --> 00:06:29,581 TO DO, BECAUSE NOBODY SAID3 ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GOING 110 00:06:29,583 --> 00:06:33,886 >> AND THERE WAS POLTING DATA. >> THIS S SOMETHING TO MAKE THE 111 00:06:33,888 --> 00:06:36,588 BUSINESS CROWD THAT HAS BEEN CLAMMMRING NOR THIS FEEL VERY 112 00:06:36,590 --> 00:06:42,094 GOOD GOING INTO WELL, IT IS LIKE COTTON CANDY, IF THEY DON'T HAVE 113 00:06:42,096 --> 00:06:46,531 THE FULL PACKAGE. BUT THE DA SUGGESTS THAT PEOPLE 114 00:06:46,533 --> 00:06:48,367 HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS FLIP3 FLOP. 115 00:06:48,369 --> 00:06:56,208 YES, WE WILL GET MORE MONEY FOR THE ROADS NOW IT IS OOER 60%. 116 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:58,911 OKAY PASTA. >>>HOW MUCH IS GOING TO SATISFY 117 00:06:58,913 --> 00:07:02,479 VOTERS, WEE ITH TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU HAVE JACE BULGER'S 118 00:07:02,481 --> 00:07:04,848 PLAN, HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IS THAT ENOUGH? 119 00:07:04,850 --> 00:07:09,954 HOW MUCH ARE VOTERS PAYING ATTENTION GOING WELL IT WILL BE 120 00:07:09,956 --> 00:07:13,090 $500 MILLION OR 1.22 WHAT MAY WANT WITH TO HEAR, OR THEY WANT, 121 00:07:13,092 --> 00:07:16,427 IS AN INCCEASE IN MONEY FOR THE ROADS THE HOUSE PLAA I THINK 122 00:07:16,429 --> 00:07:19,330 WOULD MEAN THAT LAWMAKERS COULD GO BACK AND SAY THAT. 123 00:07:19,332 --> 00:07:22,233 YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING WITH RICCARDVILLE. 124 00:07:22,235 --> 00:07:25,269 WILL WE INCREASE ROADS BECAUSE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PAYING AIR 125 00:07:25,271 --> 00:07:29,440 IS IT $500 MILLION OR 1.2, WE ALL ARE. 126 00:07:29,442 --> 00:07:31,809 >> I THINK THEY WILL NOTICE A DIFFERENCE. 127 00:07:31,811 --> 00:07:36,713 IF YOU PUT $1.2 BILLION THEY WILL LOOK PRETTY GOOD. 128 00:07:36,715 --> 00:07:42,019 IF YOU PUT $500 MMLLION, MAYBE IT DOESN'T GET TO YOUR 129 00:07:42,021 --> 00:07:43,154 NEIGHBORHOOD. >> WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT ARE 130 00:07:43,156 --> 00:07:46,890 THE POTHOLES ON MY ROAD FIXED. AND IF THEY AREN'T FIXED UNTIL 131 00:07:46,892 --> 00:07:49,427 JANUARY 1ST, THEN YOU ARE STILL% NOT SATISFYING PEOPLE. 132 00:07:49,429 --> 00:07:51,996 >> RIGHT. NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO SHOW UP 133 00:07:51,998 --> 00:07:54,531 NEXT WEEK, OR NEXT MONDAY IF IT IS VOTED UPON. 134 00:07:54,533 --> 00:07:56,400 >> BUT THE PEOPLE FROM ANTICIPATED. 135 00:07:56,402 --> 00:07:59,470 WHEN I ALKED TO THE DOCTOR, HE IS LIKE YEAH, THERE IS 136 00:07:59,472 --> 00:08:02,405 EXPECTATTON, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT úE CAN'T MOVE TOO FAST, BECAUSE 137 00:08:02,407 --> 00:08:05,075 FIRST OF ALL YOU CAN'T PUTTER ALL THE STUFF IN THE PIPELINE AT 138 00:08:05,077 --> 00:08:07,810 ONE WITH TIME, BECAUSE YOU GET IT WRONG, SO THE PEOPLE WILL SAY 139 00:08:07,812 --> 00:08:13,216 OH MY GOSH, THEY PASS THIS, HOW COME MY POTHOLE DOESN'T HAVE ANY 140 00:08:13,218 --> 00:08:15,151 ASPHALTTIN IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. 141 00:08:15,153 --> 00:08:19,022 ú> AND THIS IS WHY ROADS HAS BECOME SUCH AN ISSUE, BECAUSE IT 142 00:08:19,024 --> 00:08:21,157 IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE PHYSICALLY IS SEEING EVERY 143 00:08:21,159 --> 00:08:24,394 SINGLE DAY. LIKE AN ISSUE LIKE DETROIT, KIT 144 00:08:24,396 --> 00:08:27,497 BE DIFFERENT FOR PEOPLE. GOT HOOES ARE ALL OVVR THE 145 00:08:27,499 --> 00:08:30,800 DAY.E, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT >> THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT 146 00:08:30,802 --> 00:08:35,705 THE POLLING DATA IS THAT THEY ARE LESS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT 147 00:08:35,707 --> 00:08:53,390 SPENDING MORE MONEY. THEY DON'T THINK IT IS WHETHER 148 00:08:53,392 --> 00:08:56,459 >> WOULD YOU POP $10 MORE A MONTH, WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH BY 149 00:08:56,461 --> 00:08:58,495 THE WAY, AND THE MAJORITY SAID úES. 150 00:08:58,497 --> 00:09:01,196 >> YOU HAVE ORINASE ARE SAYING LOOK, WE ARE STILL SPENDING ON 151 00:09:01,198 --> 00:09:06,468 ISSUES THAT WE WITH SHOULD MOVV TAX, WHY DON'T WE USE THAT TO 152 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:10,906 ROADS THAT WE ARE STILL SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON OTHER ISSUES. 153 00:09:10,908 --> 00:09:13,475 INFORM PEOPLE CARE SO MUCH, WHY DON'T WE MOVE SOME MONEY O 154 00:09:13,477 --> 00:09:15,710 ROADS. >> DETROIT PACKAGE IS MOVING 155 00:09:15,712 --> 00:09:18,980 WITH A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE COMMITTEE VOTT YESTERDAY. 156 00:09:18,982 --> 00:09:23,818 >> YES, ANDDBY TODAY IT COULD BE THROUGH THE HOUSE. 157 00:09:23,820 --> 00:09:28,424 IS IS THAT GOING TO HHPPEN? >> IT LOOKS TO BE. 158 00:09:28,426 --> 00:09:32,394 APPARENTLY OUR GUEST FEELS VERY CONFIDENT ABOUT IT, AND THE PACK 159 00:09:32,396 --> 00:09:34,329 DAMAGE DID GO THROUGH YYSTERDAY THROUGH THE PANEL WITHHWITH VERY 160 00:09:34,331 --> 00:09:36,598 FEW HICCUPS. >> 25 MINUTES. 161 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,934 NOT BAD FOR GOVERNMENT. >> FOR 11 BILLS. 162 00:09:38,936 --> 00:09:41,103 >> EXACTLY. >> BUT THAT UNDERSCORES THE 163 00:09:41,105 --> 00:09:43,505 HOURS THAT WENT IN BEHIND THE SCENES. 164 00:09:43,507 --> 00:09:47,076 I KNOW TWO OF THE PARTICIPANTS MET OUT OF CONENY ISLAND OVER 165 00:09:47,078 --> 00:09:50,446 THE WEEKEND, AND OVER COFFEE, AND GOT SICK ON A CONENY DOG, 166 00:09:50,448 --> 00:09:54,216 THHY WORKS OUT THE DETAILS. THEY DO GET SOME STYLE POINTS 167 00:09:54,218 --> 00:09:57,152 FOR DOING THIS ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS. 168 00:09:57,154 --> 00:10:01,122 THIS HHS BEEN PRETTY AMAZINGLY HANDLED SO FAR. 169 00:10:01,124 --> 00:10:05,159 THIS IS A REALLY CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC, I HAVE TO SAY OF COURSE 170 00:10:05,161 --> 00:10:10,498 WE ARE HEARING FROM BOTH SIDES BUT OVERALL, AA OFFWHEN WE ARE 171 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:14,068 HAVE BEEN PRETTY AAAZED BY HOW SMOOTH IT'S GONE. 172 00:10:14,070 --> 00:10:17,338 THE TESTIMONY FROM ORR, FROM DUGGEN, 24 HAS BEEN ANDLED VERY 173 00:10:17,340 --> 00:10:20,708 VERY ELL WITH. úHE OPTICS AS WELL AS JUST HOW 174 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:24,612 PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. IT'S A VERY INTERESTING DYNAMIC 175 00:10:24,614 --> 00:10:27,115 -úWATCH. >>>AND MIKE DUGGEN, THE MAYYR 176 00:10:27,117 --> 00:10:28,882 GOT SOMEESTUFF IN THE BILL THAT HE WANTED. 177 00:10:28,884 --> 00:10:32,320 >> YEAH. DETROIT MAYORS THAT DON'T HAVE 178 00:10:32,322 --> 00:10:35,055 THAT GREAT OF A TRACK RECORD,3 BUT HE KNOWS HOW TO WORK THE 179 00:10:35,057 --> 00:10:37,425 SYSTEM. HE WAS HERE HANDS ON, WHICH IS 180 00:10:37,427 --> 00:10:40,495 WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. -ú>> AND TALKING TO REPUBLICANS 181 00:10:40,497 --> 00:10:43,331 AND DEMOCRATS, AND I MEAN HE UNDERSTANDS THE SYSTEM. 182 00:10:43,333 --> 00:10:46,734 HH IS PART OF THE LANE COUNTY MACHHNE, AND TTAT'S THE KIND OF 183 00:10:46,736 --> 00:10:50,371 VOICE YOU NEED IN DETROIT RIGHT NOW. 184 00:10:50,373 --> 00:10:53,541 HIS TESTIMOOY, HE SAID YOU NOTICE THIS ROOM 14 YEARS AGO, 185 00:10:53,543 --> 00:10:57,211 AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY DIRECTOR ASKING FOR STATE AID. 186 00:10:57,213 --> 00:11:01,181 IT WAS DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN, BUT THERE WAS A FINE STTTEMENT, 187 00:11:01,183 --> 00:11:04,717 I WAA HERE 14 YEARS AGO, NONE OF YOU WERE HERE. 188 00:11:04,719 --> 00:11:08,321 BUT HE DOES GET IT, AND I THIIK THEY ACCUALLY HAVE A SHOT ATT3 189 00:11:08,323 --> 00:11:10,157 THII THINN. >> YEAH, AND I THINK HE CAME 190 00:11:10,159 --> 00:11:13,893 INTO OFFICE, KNOWING THAT HE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, AND 191 00:11:13,895 --> 00:11:16,463 KNOWING THAT DETRRIT NEEDED TO BE FIXED FRANKLY. 192 00:11:16,465 --> 00:11:20,267 TALKING ABOUT ACCOMPLISHMENT IS IN THE HOUSE. 193 00:11:20,269 --> 00:11:22,302 >> YES. >> YEAH. 194 00:11:22,304 --> 00:11:24,971 >> AND THERE ARE SIMILAR PITFALLL. 195 00:11:24,973 --> 00:11:28,542 THE UNION ISSUES SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN RESOLVED WITH THEY WILL 196 00:11:28,544 --> 00:11:32,279 KICK I MONEY, BUT NOT DIRECTLY. >> MR. BULGER IS HAPPY WITH ITH 197 00:11:32,281 --> 00:11:33,580 THAT. >> YES. 198 00:11:33,582 --> 00:11:37,384 BUT YOU HAVE THE DIA, AND THAT KIND OF GOT SNUCK IN, AND THERE 199 00:11:37,386 --> 00:11:39,352 ARE PEOPLE WHH ARE NOT VERY THRILLED ON THAT FRONT. 200 00:11:39,354 --> 00:11:43,623 >> THERE WILL BE AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE THAT OUT TODAY, BUT AS I 201 00:11:43,625 --> 00:11:47,227 TALKED TO THE DEMOCRAT, HE STAAD YOU KNOW, IN A COMPROMISS, YOU 202 00:11:47,229 --> 00:11:49,829 -úHAVE TO LOSEESOMETHING TO GET SOMETHING, AND I DIDN'T LIKE 203 00:11:49,831 --> 00:11:52,232 THHT, BUT HE PUT NIT THE BILL BECAUSE E WITH NEEDED TO GET 204 00:11:52,234 --> 00:11:55,101 THE WHOLE PACKAGE. >> AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THE 205 00:11:55,103 --> 00:11:57,136 BALANCING ACT. WHATTARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP 206 00:11:57,138 --> 00:12:00,307 TO SUPPORT THE WHOLE OF WHAT YOU WANT, AND THAT WILL BE 207 00:12:00,309 --> 00:12:03,909 INTERESTING TO WATCH WITH. MINIMUM WAGE, THE HOUSEEIS GOING 208 00:12:03,911 --> 00:12:06,144 TO CHANGE THIS? >> YOU KNOW, IT IS UP IN THE 209 00:12:06,146 --> 00:12:08,013 AIR. THE SENATE THINKS THEY HAVE A 210 00:12:08,015 --> 00:12:11,116 GOOD PROPOSAL, I AM CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE HOUSE THINKS. 211 00:12:11,118 --> 00:12:15,621 >> NO WAY IT WILL STAY AT 920, AND INDEX TO INFLATION. 212 00:12:15,623 --> 00:12:18,924 >> IF THEY TAKE THE INDEX TO INFLATION OUT, THERE GO YOUR 213 00:12:18,926 --> 00:12:20,426 DEMOCRATS VOTES. >>>RIGHT. 214 00:12:20,428 --> 00:12:23,562 BUT THERE O YOUR BUSINESS SUPPORT, AND WHO NEEDS MONEY FOR 215 00:12:23,564 --> 00:12:26,465 CAMPAIGNS THIS YEAR, EVERYBODY. >> SO WHAT'S YOUR READ??3 216 00:12:26,467 --> 00:12:29,501 >> THE READ SAW THAT HOW REQUEST YOU GET A READ ON THIS ISSUE?3 217 00:12:29,503 --> 00:12:32,771 AS WE WERE WITH TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WHAT IS THE ENN GAMM? 218 00:12:32,773 --> 00:12:35,874 I MEAN THIS HHS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST DYNAMIC STORIES TO WATCH IN 219 00:12:35,876 --> 00:12:40,646 JUST THE SURPRISE THING TURNN IT HAS TAKEN. 220 00:12:40,648 --> 00:12:44,182 ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY KNOW HOWS IN GOING TO ENN, IS COMPLETELY 221 00:12:44,184 --> 00:12:46,652 NOT PAYING ATTENTION. BECAUSE WE ARE ALL WATCCING WHAT 222 00:12:46,654 --> 00:12:50,088 IS GOING ON, AND IT SEEMS LIKE WHIPLASH LL OF THE DIFFERENT 223 00:12:50,090 --> 00:12:52,424 CHANGES. AND I THINK SUSANNE IS RIGHT, F 224 00:12:52,426 --> 00:12:56,762 THEY GET RID OF THE CHAIN CPIS THERE IS NO WAY IT WILL HAPPEE. 225 00:12:56,764 --> 00:13:01,233 SOMEBODY -- IN FACT, THERAID AMENDMENT WAS OFFERED TO TAKE IT 226 00:13:01,235 --> 00:13:06,604 OUT, AND IT SURVEYED. DOESN'T HE TALK TO LACE BULGER 227 00:13:06,606 --> 00:13:09,039 ABOUT HIS STUFF? >> YOU KNOW, I NEVER REALLY KNOW 228 00:13:09,041 --> 00:13:11,409 WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW. 229 00:13:11,411 --> 00:13:13,811 >> THIS STORY IS THE ONE WITH THAT I THINK ALL OF REPORTERS 230 00:13:13,813 --> 00:13:16,213 AND PEOPLE WHO WATCH WITH US WISH WITH THEY WERE FLIES ON THE 231 00:13:16,215 --> 00:13:18,283 ROAD. ROADS IS INTERESTING, YOU WISH 232 00:13:18,285 --> 00:13:23,220 YOU KNEW WHAT THE DISCUSSIONSS3 WERE. 233 00:13:23,222 --> 00:13:27,425 DISCUSSION, BECAASE IT WAS ONLY TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT RANDY HAA 234 00:13:27,427 --> 00:13:30,127 THE SAME POSITION -- NO, THIS WILL KILL HE ECONOMY, NNW IF WE 235 00:13:30,129 --> 00:13:33,665 WITH DO IT A LITTLE LESS THAN A DOLLAR, THEN WHAT THE PROPOSAL 236 00:13:33,667 --> 00:13:41,472 IS THAT WON'T KILL THE ECONOMY. AND LET'S GO AHE IS AND PASS IT. 237 00:13:41,474 --> 00:13:44,575 AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACER TOO. 238 00:13:44,577 --> 00:13:47,011 THIS WILL KIIL DEMOCRACY, BUT LET'' DO IT. 239 00:13:47,013 --> 00:13:50,381 >> REPRESENTATIVE, WOULD YOU PLEASE. 240 00:13:50,383 --> 00:13:53,851 >> JOHN WALSH IS THE SPEAKER PRO TEM, AND IS SERVING HIS FINAL 241 00:13:53,853 --> 00:13:56,754 TERM IN THE HOUSE. HE SITS ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE 242 00:13:56,756 --> 00:13:59,890 AND WORKING ON THE HIGHER ED AND JUDICIARY BUDGETS. 243 00:13:59,892 --> 00:14:02,392 HE CURRENTLY CHAIR S SPECIAL HOUSE COMMITTEE ON AID TO 244 00:14:02,394 --> 00:14:05,796 DETROIT. HE HOLDS A B.A. DEGREE FROM MSU, 245 00:14:05,798 --> 00:14:09,800 ANN HIS LAW DEGREE FROM WAYNE STATE. 246 00:14:09,802 --> 00:14:11,401 REPRESENTATIVE, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGGAA. 247 00:14:11,403 --> 00:14:15,071 >> THANK YOO. >> SO ONE OF THE OPPONENTS TO 248 00:14:15,073 --> 00:14:19,042 YOUR GRAND BARGAIN FOR DETROIT, CCMES IN THE FORM OF A TEA PARTY 249 00:14:19,044 --> 00:14:22,145 GROUP MERICANS FOR PROSPERITY. DO THEY HAVE THE POWER TO 250 00:14:22,147 --> 00:14:25,248 SUDDENLL THIS, OR ARE YOU GUYS GOING O MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY? 251 00:14:25,250 --> 00:14:29,219 >> I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, ESPITE THAT. 252 00:14:29,221 --> 00:14:32,088 CERTAINLY IT WILL HAVE SOME IMPACT. 253 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:34,758 THEY DO HAVV THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO STATE THEIR OPINION, 254 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,428 AND TO EXERCISE IT, AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT, IT APPEERS, 255 00:14:38,430 --> 00:14:44,835 WITH A LOT OF STRENGTH, BUT I THINK THE STORYY THE ARGUMENTS, 256 00:14:44,837 --> 00:14:48,672 LEGAL, AND FINANCIAL, FROM A HUMAN DIGNNTY TAND POINT ILL 257 00:14:48,674 --> 00:14:51,140 PREVAIL TODAY. >> ARE THEY THREATENING YOUR 258 00:14:51,142 --> 00:14:53,543 MEMBERS. >> I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT. 259 00:14:53,545 --> 00:14:56,780 >> IT SAID THAT IN THE LETTER. >> I HAVEE'T SEEN THE LETTER. 260 00:14:56,782 --> 00:15:00,450 I HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON MORE OF THE POSITIVE, AND LET'S GET THIS 261 00:15:00,452 --> 00:15:01,751 DONE. >> THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO 262 00:15:01,753 --> 00:15:04,487 SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO EDUCATE THE VOTERS CAN IS CODE FOR? 263 00:15:04,489 --> 00:15:09,725 >> THEY WILL FRY TO PROBABLY BOUNCE SOME PEOPLE OUT OF 264 00:15:09,727 --> 00:15:11,794 PRIMARIES I AM GOING TOOTAKE MY TIME. 265 00:15:11,796 --> 00:15:15,664 TO BACK PEOPLE THAT I THINK ARE3 AND THAA HAPPENS TO BE THE 266 00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:17,833 INCUMBENTT. I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD 267 00:15:17,835 --> 00:15:21,637 JOB, I HAVE TO GO OUT AND BREAK MY BACK TO PROTECT A VOTE THAT I 268 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:30,946 THINK IS RIGHT. >> WE WITH HAVE A VERR OPEN 269 00:15:30,948 --> 00:15:36,452 CAUCUS. WE HAVE AAGREAT WILLINGNESS THE. 270 00:15:36,454 --> 00:15:41,156 HOW WE CAANGETAROUUD WHAT COULD BE A POLICY CONCERN, OR A 271 00:15:41,158 --> 00:15:46,161 POLITICAL CONCERN. WHAT DO YOU THIIK ABOUT TOSSING 272 00:15:46,163 --> 00:15:49,698 THE BOMB AT THE 11TH HOUR? >> WHAT IS THAT SMILE FOR? 273 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:52,034 >> BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING AT THE END. 274 00:15:52,036 --> 00:15:55,771 ALWAYS SOMEEHING THE L 24 HOURS. YOU THINK YOU ARE MOVING ALONG, 275 00:15:55,773 --> 00:15:58,707 AND ADDRESSED THE ISSUES AND THEN SOMETHING COMES OUT OF 276 00:15:58,709 --> 00:16:08,983 RIGHT FIELD. I HAVE DONE WORK IN THE FAST AS 277 00:16:08,985 --> 00:16:12,954 BONED ATTORNNY SO I HAVE FAMIILARITT WITH IT. 278 00:16:12,956 --> 00:16:16,858 AND IT'S ALL IN MEDIATION. IT IS SUBJECT TO JUDGE ROSEN AND 279 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:19,360 HIS WORK. ON TRYING TO BRING ABOUT AN 280 00:16:19,362 --> 00:16:21,996 AUTHORITY OR SELL IT OR LEAVE úITTWITH THE CCTY OF DETROIT. 281 00:16:21,998 --> 00:16:27,068 OF THE BLUE COMES SOME LIMITS OF PERHAPS WE CANNAPPEAL TO THE 282 00:16:27,070 --> 00:16:30,605 LEGISLATURE. I COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THEY HAVE 283 00:16:30,607 --> 00:16:35,643 A VALID POINT OR NOT. BUT THEY ARE IN THE WRONG VENUE. 284 00:16:35,645 --> 00:16:45,152 >> TALK A LITTLE BBT ABOUT THE >>>THE -- IT'S THE INSTITUTE OF 285 00:16:45,154 --> 00:16:49,557 ARTS THAT IS PURSUING FROM MMVING TO A PUBLICLY OWNED TO A 286 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:53,862 THAT IS PART OF THE GRAND BARGAIN IT HAS BEEN KNOWN.3 287 00:16:53,864 --> 00:16:57,198 AS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT, THEY AAE COMING FORRARD AND SUGGESTING WE 288 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:03,236 CAN BRING MONEY, THROUGH WE RAISE, TO SECURE OUR 289 00:17:03,238 --> 00:17:09,810 COLLECTION, AND MOVE INTT A 501 LONGER OONED BY THE CITY, AND SO 290 00:17:09,812 --> 00:17:13,814 ONE OF THE BILLS THAT IS IN THE PAAKAGE, IS TO ADJUST TTE FACT 291 00:17:13,816 --> 00:17:15,749 THERE WILL BE A CHANGE OF OWNEESHIP. 292 00:17:15,751 --> 00:17:18,752 FROM A PUBLICLY OWNED ENTITY, TO A PRIVATELY OWNED. 293 00:17:18,754 --> 00:17:22,990 >> WHY IS THE DIA NOT PART OF THE GRAND BARGAIN? 294 00:17:22,992 --> 00:17:25,425 AS THEY CAMM OUT PUBLICLY, AND MADE THAT STATEMENT.% 295 00:17:25,427 --> 00:17:28,595 >> THEY ARE PART OF THE PLAN OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS THE 296 00:17:28,597 --> 00:17:31,832 SETTLEMENT. IF THERE'S A DRIVING DOCUMENT 297 00:17:31,834 --> 00:17:34,467 THAT'S THE BAR DWAYNE. IT IS THE PLAN OF ADJUSTMENT 298 00:17:34,469 --> 00:17:37,938 THAT THE COURT WILL ULTIMATELY BANG WITH A GAV VEAL INTO 299 00:17:37,940 --> 00:17:41,041 EFFECT, IF EVERYBODY IS ONBOARD. THEY ARE PART OF IT. 300 00:17:41,043 --> 00:17:44,645 >> WHY HAVE THE D.I.A. BE PART OF THII BILL? 301 00:17:44,647 --> 00:17:49,783 OBVIOUSLY, THEY SAID THEYYWANT TO PUT $100 MILLION OVER 2003 302 00:17:49,785 --> 00:17:52,953 YEARS TOWARDS THIS PACKAGE THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO 303 00:17:52,955 --> 00:18:00,460 BUT WHY HAVE THAT SPEEIFIC ISSUE WHEN THE MILK ISN'T EVEN UP 304 00:18:00,462 --> 00:18:03,596 UNSTILL 2022 WITHIN WHY NOT HAVE THAT NOT BE PART OF THE PACKAGE 305 00:18:03,598 --> 00:18:06,732 AND DEAL WITH THAT LATER ON, IF THAT IS A TICKING POINT? 306 00:18:06,734 --> 00:18:10,335 >> THERE'S TWO THINGS IN THE QUESTION, WHY ARE THEY PART OF 307 00:18:10,337 --> 00:18:13,606 THEY ARE GOING TO BRING DIRECTLY, BUT THEY ARE 308 00:18:13,608 --> 00:18:17,509 ATTRACTING OVER $3000MILLION FROM VARIOUS FOUNDATIONS. 309 00:18:17,511 --> 00:18:20,746 WE PARTICIPATE, AND HELP DETROIT COME OUT OF BANKRUPTCY IF TTE 310 00:18:20,748 --> 00:18:24,650 STATE OF MICHHGAN PARTIIIPATES, IF ALL OF THE STAKE HOLDERS 311 00:18:24,652 --> 00:18:28,588 AGREE TO THE PLAN, AND YOU LEAVE IT ALONE. 312 00:18:28,590 --> 00:18:30,957 >> ABSOLLTELY. >> O THAT'S HOW THEY ARE 313 00:18:30,959 --> 00:18:34,426 SECURING IT. BUT PART OF THAT, IS A BUILT 314 00:18:34,428 --> 00:18:40,165 THHT ALLOWED THEM TO COLLECT A% MILLEDGE IF THE VOTERS AGREE, I 315 00:18:40,167 --> 00:18:42,902 THINN THEY ARE ABOUT TWO YEARS INTO A TEN YEAR PERIOD. 316 00:18:42,904 --> 00:18:46,538 THE LEGISLATION WILL GIVE THEM A SECOND TEN YEAR PERIOD. 317 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:49,541 WHAT WE ARE SAYIIG IS YOU ARE MOVING INTO A PRIVATE STATUS. 318 00:18:49,543 --> 00:18:54,546 YOU ARE NO LONGER PUBLICLY OONED, FOR ME, AND SOME OF MY 319 00:18:54,548 --> 00:18:58,584 THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS. 320 00:18:58,586 --> 00:19:01,686 WE CAN LEAVING THE CURRENT MILLEDGE IN PLACE. 321 00:19:01,688 --> 00:19:05,056 >> WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH WITH BINDING ARBITRATION WITH WITH 322 00:19:05,058 --> 00:19:07,525 POLICE AND FIRE. >> THAT CONTINUES ---OH, THE ONE 323 00:19:07,527 --> 00:19:10,862 WITH ARTICULAR BILL. THERE'S SO MANY ITEMS. 324 00:19:10,864 --> 00:19:16,467 WITH WITH RESPEET TO THAT, THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS THAT 325 00:19:16,469 --> 00:19:19,671 THE MUNICIIALITY WILL DEAL WITH WITH, IS COLLECTIVE BARGAINS 326 00:19:19,673 --> 00:19:22,841 AGREEMENTS AND FOR POLICE AND FIRE, BIBBING ARBITRATION. 327 00:19:22,843 --> 00:19:27,445 ALL WE ARE DOING -- THE FIRST BILL WAS A BROAD OVERREACH. 328 00:19:27,447 --> 00:19:31,850 I DID NOT INTEND THAT, DRAFTING SOMETIMES GOES A LITTLE GOOFY, 329 00:19:31,852 --> 00:19:35,419 YOU GET THE BILL, AND YOU HAVE TO AMEND IT. 330 00:19:35,421 --> 00:19:36,888 THE AMENDMENT TAILORS IT VERY TIGHTLY. 331 00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:40,091 >> SO YOU AREN'T THROWING OUT BINDING ARBIIRATION. 332 00:19:40,093 --> 00:19:43,461 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. I DIFFERRFROM MY OOIR 333 00:19:43,463 --> 00:19:47,565 COLLEAGUES, I LIKE 312. ú> WELL, YOU PASSED IT ON THE 334 00:19:47,567 --> 00:19:48,599 BIPARTISAN BASIS.3 >> CORRECT..3 335 00:19:48,601 --> 00:19:52,403 ú> THE SPEAKER HOLDS THAT UP - >> CORRECT, II WAS WELL WITH 336 00:19:52,405 --> 00:19:55,306 DONE. THIS JUST SIMPLY SAYS IF THERE 337 00:19:55,308 --> 00:19:58,476 IS BINDING ARBITRATION UNDERWAY, AND THE CITY HAS TO FFLE 338 00:19:58,478 --> 00:20:03,080 NUMBERS,,DOCUMENTATION, IF THE COMMISSION BELIIVES THAT 339 00:20:03,082 --> 00:20:06,083 COMMISSIONER WILL PROVIDE OVERSITE THAT THERE'S SOME 340 00:20:06,085 --> 00:20:08,819 INACCURACY, OR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED 341 00:20:08,821 --> 00:20:11,155 THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SUBMIT INFORMATION. 342 00:20:11,157 --> 00:20:14,457 THE ARBITTATOR IS REQUIRED TO CONSIDER IT, BUT NOT PRIORITIZE 343 00:20:14,459 --> 00:20:18,062 IT, TTAT'S ALL THE BILL DOES. >> ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES I THINK 344 00:20:18,064 --> 00:20:21,398 IS THIS IDEA OF TAXPAYER MONEY -úGOING TO DETROIT. 345 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,168 -úTHAT HAS BEEN THE NARRATIVE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE 346 00:20:24,170 --> 00:20:27,171 BILL. EXPLAIN WHY IS THIS A GOOD DEAL 347 00:20:27,173 --> 00:20:30,074 FOR TAXPAYERS IN. >> I CAN EXPLAINNNIT A COUPLE OF 348 00:20:30,076 --> 00:20:32,209 WAYS. PUT ON MYYLEGAL HAT. 349 00:20:32,211 --> 00:20:35,478 AS A LAWWER, THIS ISN'T A SETTLEMENT, WE WITH HAVE MANY 350 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,816 MANN DISPUTES IN PLACE. WHEN YOU CAN BRING RESOLUTION, 351 00:20:38,818 --> 00:20:42,352 OR LIMIT WHAT CAN BE YOUR POTENTIAL EXPOSURE, FOR WHAT 352 00:20:42,354 --> 00:20:47,257 COULD BE 10 CENTS, 20 CENTS ON A DOLLAR, AND YOU BRING 353 00:20:47,259 --> 00:20:49,993 RESOLUTION, YOU ALLOW THE CITIZEN TO OVE FORWARD, YOU END 354 00:20:49,995 --> 00:20:54,164 THE LITIGATION, THERE ARE 18 CASES THAT WILL PEND AS A PART 355 00:20:54,166 --> 00:20:56,900 OF THIS. WE WILL SAVE $20 MILLION IN3 356 00:20:56,902 --> 00:20:59,770 LEGAL FEES ALONE.3 JUST ON THAT, SO I THINK THERE'S 357 00:20:59,772 --> 00:21:03,106 A LEGAL REASON TOODO IT. IT BRINGS RESOLUTION, AND LETS 358 00:21:03,108 --> 00:21:06,008 US MOVE FFRWARD. FINANCIALLY, YOU ARE TAKING A 359 00:21:06,010 --> 00:21:10,113 LOOK AT CITY THAT IS ON HOLD. YOU ARE LOOKING AT A STATE THAT 360 00:21:10,115 --> 00:21:14,416 IS ON HOLD.3 THE STATE DOOSN'T MAKE THAT3HIS, 361 00:21:14,418 --> 00:21:17,620 INVESTMENT. THE CUTS THAT WILL HAVE TO OCCUR 362 00:21:17,622 --> 00:21:21,724 TO THE PPNSIONERS WILL BECOME SO SEVERE TO END THE BANKRUPTCY, 363 00:21:21,726 --> 00:21:26,395 THAT ON A CONSERVATIVE BASIS, IT -úWILL COST THE STATE $270 MILLN 364 00:21:26,397 --> 00:21:30,366 ALONE, IN SOCIAL SAFETY NET COSTS. 365 00:21:30,368 --> 00:21:34,637 >> SO -- SO THIS S A DEAL, JUST ON THAT NUMBER ALONE, THAT IN 366 00:21:34,639 --> 00:21:37,974 THE LEGAL COST, AND OTHER POTENTIAL EXPENSES THE STATE 367 00:21:37,976 --> 00:21:39,541 FACES I THINK THIS IS A WISE THING TO DO. 368 00:21:39,543 --> 00:21:44,781 >> FUR THE LAWMAKERS THAT ARE IN SWING DISTRICTS WILL YOU GIVE 369 00:21:44,783 --> 00:21:47,183 THEM A PASS? >> WE ARE ASKING EVERYONE TO 370 00:21:47,185 --> 00:21:52,421 VOTE THEIR CONSCIOUS. WE HAVE HEARD ARGUMENTS AGAINST, 371 00:21:52,423 --> 00:21:55,491 BUT WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO STAND UP AND DO WHAT THEY THINK 372 00:21:55,493 --> 00:21:58,127 IS RIGHT. OF COURSE PEOPLL HAVE POLICY AND 373 00:21:58,129 --> 00:22:00,263 POLITICAL CONCERNS TTEYYHAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCCUNT. 374 00:22:00,265 --> 00:22:03,665 >> O YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN VOTES IN. 375 00:22:03,667 --> 00:22:06,868 >> I DO EXPEET A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN VOTES BUT WE NEED TO 376 00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:10,172 DEMOCRATS TO GET HIS ACROSS. SOME HAVE TRIED TOOMAKE THIS A 377 00:22:10,174 --> 00:22:12,974 REPUBLICAN ISSUE, THIS IS A GEOGRAPHIC ISSUE. 378 00:22:12,976 --> 00:22:16,244 >> IT IS A GEOGRAPHIC. >> ABSOLUTELY. 379 00:22:16,246 --> 00:22:19,881 >> AND THERE ARE A LOT THAT DON'T LIKEEDETROIT. 380 00:22:19,883 --> 00:22:21,783 >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT 381 00:22:21,785 --> 00:22:24,286 REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, T IS SOMEBODY SITTING IN A DISTRICT, 382 00:22:24,288 --> 00:22:29,257 FAR FAR AWAY FROM HERE, SAYING WHY AM I SENDING MY CITIZENS TAX 383 00:22:29,259 --> 00:22:32,593 DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS. SOOIT IS GOING TO BE A 384 00:22:32,595 --> 00:22:36,497 COMBINATION OF PEOPLE FROM GOING O BE A LOCK SOLID 385 00:22:36,499 --> 00:22:41,402 REPUBLICAN OR A LOCK SOLID DDMOCRATIC VOTE. 386 00:22:41,404 --> 00:22:45,707 IF THE VOTE DOESN'T HAAPEN TODAY, WHY WOULD THAT HAVE 387 00:22:45,709 --> 00:22:50,645 HAPPENED? >> I FELT PRETTY GOOD LAST 388 00:22:50,647 --> 00:22:54,182 NIGHT, AND THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THE DEMOCRATS, BUT 12 HOURS HAVE 389 00:22:54,184 --> 00:22:57,385 PASSED, AND I AM PRAYING EVERY TEXT, AND PHONE CALL I GET THAT 390 00:22:57,387 --> 00:23:03,690 SOMETHING HASN'T CHANGED. WE WITH HAVE SOME MINOR 391 00:23:03,692 --> 00:23:06,026 AMENDMENTS BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD RACK ANYBODY. 392 00:23:06,028 --> 00:23:09,964 THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE IS IF SOMEBODY WENT ANDDDID A 393 00:23:09,966 --> 00:23:13,167 TOWN HALL, AND THEY RECEIVED SUCH NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, OR 394 00:23:13,169 --> 00:23:20,307 CHANGE THE VOTE.HEY DECIDED TO MIKE DUNN CAN RUNNING THE VOTE? 395 00:23:20,309 --> 00:23:23,477 >> HE PORTRAYS A LOT OF CONFIDENCE. 396 00:23:23,479 --> 00:23:25,579 >> POST MIKE DUNN CAN IS THE CONCERN, ISN'T IT? 397 00:23:25,581 --> 00:23:29,483 >> IT IS PART OF THEECOOCERN. WWEN YOU CAN LOOK AT A PERSON, 398 00:23:29,485 --> 00:23:32,719 YOU CAN SHAKE THEIR HAND, YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF THE PERSON 399 00:23:32,721 --> 00:23:37,157 NARKS' OMFORTAALE. OR DISCOMFORTING IF YOU HAVE A% 400 00:23:37,159 --> 00:23:46,867 DIIFERENT TRACK RECORD. THE OVERSIGHT WE WITH ARE TRYING 401 00:23:46,869 --> 00:23:50,837 TO PROVIDE. IN A REASONABLE FFSHION. 402 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:54,074 >> SOME SAY YOU GAVE AWAY TTE FARM. 403 00:23:54,076 --> 00:24:01,215 BASICALLY EVERYTHING HE WAATED. YOU SHOWED ME IN THIS DOCUMENT 404 00:24:01,217 --> 00:24:05,385 OF THE FOUR PAGES OF CONDITION WHAT DD THEY GIVE AWAY. 405 00:24:05,387 --> 00:24:18,965 WHAT DO THEY GIVE AWAA, WE WITH IF YOU RECEIVE A VARIETY OF -- 406 00:24:18,967 --> 00:24:22,302 THE VERSITE BOARD GOES DORMANT, THEY ARE STILL THERE, GEETING 407 00:24:22,304 --> 00:24:25,171 REPORTS BUTTTHE CITY GOES ABOUT ITS BUSINESS. 408 00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:27,873 WE MADE SURE THE COUNCIL HAD REPRESENTATION. 409 00:24:27,875 --> 00:24:33,579 ON THE COMMISSIONN IT CCANGES HOW THINGS ARE GOING 410 00:24:33,581 --> 00:24:37,183 TO BE MEASURES OR RUN. >> WHY DOES A GUY LEAD HIS 411 00:24:37,185 --> 00:24:39,618 CHARGE? >> WELL, IT'S -- IT IS CLOSE TO 412 00:24:39,620 --> 00:24:49,062 MYYDISTRICT, FIRST AND FOREMOST. I SPEND A LOT OF TIMM THERE AS A 413 00:24:49,064 --> 00:24:53,866 CHILD. WENT TO LAW SCHOOL THERE, SPENT 414 00:24:53,868 --> 00:25:02,040 A LOT OF TIME OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS IN THE CITY. 415 00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:06,979 IT IS A WONDERFUL CITY THAT CAN HAVE A GREAT FUTURE. 416 00:25:06,981 --> 00:25:09,747 IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US TTAT IT SUCCEEDS. 417 00:25:09,749 --> 00:25:16,554 >> ISN'T 14 YEARS OF OVERSIGHT A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC? 418 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:21,526 >> YOU CAN TAKE IT AS THAT, BUT YOU CAN ALSO THINK IT AS A 419 00:25:21,528 --> 00:25:23,962 REASONED DOZE OF APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR, WHEN YOU ARE ASKING 420 00:25:23,964 --> 00:25:26,664 PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE TO MAKE3 AN INVESTMENT, IN A CITY THAT 421 00:25:26,666 --> 00:25:32,404 THEY HAVE REASON TO BE NERVOUS ABOUT. 422 00:25:32,406 --> 00:25:37,142 50 YEARS OF NOT SO GOOD HISTORY, SOME OF IT WAS CAUSEE BY 423 00:25:37,144 --> 00:25:40,178 MISMANAGEMENT.3 YOU ARE TALLING TO SOMEBODY TO 424 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:42,881 SAY I CAN GGT BEHIND THIS, BUT THEY DON'T WANT WITH TO JUST 425 00:25:42,883 --> 00:25:45,884 GIVE THE MONEY. SO THEY ARE TRYING TO PATTERN 426 00:25:45,886 --> 00:25:49,021 SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAA NEW YORK DID, HAVE PROPER OVERSSGHT, 427 00:25:49,023 --> 00:25:51,256 WHILE ALLOWING THE CITY DO GO ABOUT IT. 428 00:25:51,258 --> 00:25:54,259 >> AFTER YOU GET OUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? 429 00:25:54,261 --> 00:25:58,430 >> WHAT WILL I DO NEXT,LY GO BACK TO MY LAW PRACTICE OR AC 430 00:25:58,432 --> 00:25:59,998 DAME YEAH. THAT SUMMERLY BE WORKING ON 431 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,333 THAT, BUT LIT BE ONE OF THOSE TWO THINGS. 432 00:26:02,335 --> 00:26:04,701 >> YOU DON'T WANT WITH TO RUN. >> I AM GOOD. 433 00:26:04,703 --> 00:26:06,837 [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WAS WITH QUICK. 434 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:09,840 >> THIS WAS A COMMITMENT MY WIFE AND I -- 435 00:26:09,842 --> 00:26:12,576 >> I HEAR MY IFE IN THE BACKGROUNDD 436 00:26:12,578 --> 00:26:14,611 >> WE BELIEVED THIS WAS SIX YEAR COMMITMENT. 437 00:26:14,613 --> 00:26:17,881 THERE WAS SOMETHING I FELT I COULD DO, I HAD TO DO, I JUST 438 00:26:17,883 --> 00:26:21,185 WANTED TO STAND UP, BUTS THISN'T HOW I INTEND TO SPEND THE REST 439 00:26:21,187 --> 00:26:27,691 OF MY LIFE,LY NEVER SAY NEVER -- >> ZOE, SUZY, EMILY, SSE YOU 440 00:26:27,693 --> 00:26:32,263 -úNEXT WEEK, RIGHT HERE ON "OFF THE RECORD." 441 00:26:32,265 --> 00:26:36,200 >> PRODUCTIONNFOR "OOF THE RECORD" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY A 442 00:26:36,202 --> 00:26:40,404 GRANT FROM TRUSSCOTT ROSSMAN, MICHIGAN'S ONLY BIPARTISAN 443 00:26:40,406 --> 00:26:43,174 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIINS FIRM, SERVING STATEWIDE, NATIONAL, AND 444 00:26:43,176 --> 00:26:46,077 INTERNATIONAL CLIENTS FROM THEIR OFFICES IN LANSING, DEEROIT,,AND 445 00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:49,547 GRAND RAPIDS. 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