RECORD" STARTS RIGHT AFTER THIS.
ON THE OTR PANEL THIS EEK,
SUSANNE DEMISAND EMILY LAWLER,
ALONG WITH WITH ZOE CLARK.
HERE IS THE RUN DOWN.
MORE MONEY FOR THE ROADS, LOTS
MORE.
AND LAAEE ON REPUBLICAN%
REPRESENTATIVEEJOHN WELSH IS
HERE TO DISCUSS THAT STATE AID
PACKAGE FOR MO TOWN.
ALL OF THIS AND MORE COMING UP
RRGHT NOW ON "OFF THE RECORD."
>>¶ .
>> GETTING THE INSIDE OUT.
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>> AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF
THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.
>> THANK YOU, JOE DONOVAN AND
WELCOME TO THIS HOLIDAY EDITION
THURSDAY.%
RANDY, SENNTOR REPUBLICAN LEADER
%--úMONEY ON THE ROADS.BUNCH OF
>> YOU WILL PAY MORE GASOLINE
TAX THAN YOU DO TODAY.
THE PROPOSAL WOULD HIKE THE TAX
TO 7.5%, WHICH HE CLAIMS WILL
RAISE A BUNDLE TT FIX YOUR
POTHOLE.
>> THAT WILL CREATE SIX TO
$650 MILLION, THE NEXT WHERE
SOMEWHERE AROUND 85, NEXT YEAR3
SOMEWHERE AROUND 1 BILLION.
AND EVVNTUALLY WE WILL GET US TO
THE 1.5 BILLION WE NEED TO FIX
THE PROBLLM.
>> ADDED ADDITION DOLLARS PASSED
BY THE HOUSE RECENTLY, BY
ELIMINATE ADDIS COUNTTON YOUR
NEW CARR REGISTRATION FEES.
>> HAT WILL HELP RAISE
$140 MILLION A JEER, FOR THE
TRANSPORTATION OPPORTUNITY.
>> BUT THE DEMOCRATS COMPLAINED
THAN SOMETHING ELSE SHOULD BE,
DONE TO TAKE THE STING OUT OF
THAT.
>> WE WANT WITH TO MAKE SURE,
THAT THE CITIZENS ARE JUST
NOT -- WE KEEP PILING IT ON,
ADDING TAXES, WE NICKEL AND IME
THEY WANT, AND WE NICK AND DIME
THEN INTO THE POOR HOUSE.
-ú>> BUT THE SENATE REPUBLICAN
LEADER DOES NOT WANT WITH TO
HORSE TRADE WITH THE DEMOCRATS.
>> IF I WAS A DEMOCRAT LEADER,
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
REPUBLICANS VOTING FOR A
MAJORITY OF THE VOTES, NECESSARY
TO PASS THE TAX INCREASE IN AN
ELECTION YEAR, AND FOR 30 SOME
THOUSAND WORKERS TO WORK, I
WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO ASK FOR
SOMETHING MORE.
LEADER WILL ASK IS FOR SOMETHING
BEFORE THIS IS OVER.
EVEN IF THE TWO SIDES MAKE A
DEAL, THIS PACKAGE WILL NOT
IMMEDIATELY RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> THE BILL THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT NOW, ACTUALLY GOES IN
EFFECT JANUARY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR,
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL
START TOMORROW.
>> YEAH, NOT GOING TO START
TOMORROW, BUT THAT'S A SIDE
POINT.
RICHARD, THIS IS A BUNDLE OF
MONEY.
>> RIGHT.
AND THE BULK OF IT COMES FROM
THE WHOLESALE TAX.
SO FOR BOTH GAS AND DIESEL, IT
WOULD GET UP TO 15.5%, WHICH IS
MORE THAN DOUBLE THAN IT IS
RIGHT NOW, STARTING IN WENT 15.
>> DOES THIS HAVE A CHANCE.
>> IT DOES..3
CERTAINLY THE MICHIGAN CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR
ROAD FUNDING FOR A VERY LONG
TIME, AND THEY ARE A POWERFUL
INTEREST GROUP.
BUT SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OO THE
CAUCUS, WHO ARE FACINGG3
REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES MUST BE
JUST ABOUU READY TO THROTTLE HIM
RIGHT NOW.
>> WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT HE
IS TERM LIMITED.
>> WE SHOULD.
>> MAYBE PART OF EQUATION HERE.
>> AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
HERE, IS REPUBLICANS OF COURSE
AS YOUR PIECE SET UP, THERE'S
THIS ISSUE OF WILL DEMOCRATS GET
ONBOARD.
EVERYONE IS SAYING LET'S FIX THE
RRAD, LET'S RACE MONEY, EVERYONE
CAN AGREE ON THAT, THE ISSUE IS
HOW WILL WE WITH DO IT, IT IS
THE SAME STORY FOR MONTHS.
THEY ARE READY TO, BUT HOW ARE3
THEY GOING TO, AND DEMOCRATS
WILL BE A BIG PART OF THIS, AT
LEAST ARE TRYING TO BECOME A BIG
PART OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS.
-ú>> WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO ASK
FOR?
>> IN COMMITTEE, AT LEAST, THEY
TRIED TO TIE IT TO UNRELATED
ISSUES.
MINIMUM WAGE BILLS, SOME THINGS
LIKEETHE PENSION TAX.
>> EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT.
>> EARNED INCOME TAX, SO THINGS
THAT AREN'T IRECTLY RELATED TO
THE ROADS.
>> THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT IS
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING HIT
WITH WITH THESE TAX INCREASESS
SO HELP THE WORKING POOR, SO
THAT THEY ARE NOT -- THEER
PICKETSSARE NOT -- THEIR POCKETS
ARE NOT PICKED.
AND HELP THEM ITH THE MINIMUM
WAGE, SO THEY CAN MAKE MORE
MONEY TOOGIVE IT TO THE
GOVERNMENT.
>> BUT THE INTERESTING WRINKLE
IN THIS DEBATE, THE GOVERNOR
CALLED IN THE TWO DEMOCRATIC
LEADEES FOR THE FIRST TIME, I
THINK THIS IS HATCH THE
QUADRANT.
>> AND IT WAS THE "IRREEEVANT
HALF."
BUT HE REALIZES HE NEEDS VOTES.
I AM FOOD FROM A THIRD PARTY,
WHEN THEY RAISE THE ISSUE OF
úORSE TRADING, IS GOVERNMENT --
WHAT DO YOU MEAN HORSE TRADING?
>> TTE GOVERNOR IS ALLAYS SAYING
HE DOESN'T HORSE RADE.
>> IF HE WANTS VOTE HE HAS TO
COUGH SOMETHING UP.
>> ALTHOUGH THE GOVERNOR HAS
REMAINED VERYYQUIET.
FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS HE HAS
BEEN PUSHING FOR ROAD FUNDING,
SAYING WE NEED ABOUT THE AMOUNT
THAT RANDY RICHARD IS LOOKING
úT, $1.2 BILLION ANNUALLY A
YEAR, AND NOW HIS PAST WEEK WE
WITH HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FROM3
HIM, AND WE WITH ARE SEEING
NEGOTIATIONS SORT OF HEAT UP.
>> AND YOU KNOW MICHIGAN CHAMBER
PRESIDENT WAS ON TWITTER AT SIX
IN THE MORNING SAYING NO HORSE
TRADING WHATSOEVER.
THESE ARE PEEP WHO DONNT LIKE TO
COMPROMISE, AND THE DEMOCRATS
DON'T HAVE THAT MANY VOTES.3
>> WELL, THAA IS TTE KEY POINT,
THE DEMOCRATS HHVE NO VOTES TO
DO ANYTHING.
THEY ONLY LEVERAGE THEY HAVE IS
SAY LET'S MAKE A DEAL OO WE
WON'T GIVE YOU VOTES.
>> THINK THE POINT IS THAT
WANT O VOTE FOR THIS.
>> WHICH MEANS THEY NEED EVEN
MORE.
>> EXACTLY.
I THINK THEY ARE MORE LEVERAGE
THAN USUAL.
>> WELL, DOES RANDY -- HE IS
GOING TO RUN THIS NEXT WEEK,
THAT'S A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME.
BUT LET'S KEEP II MIND, THAT
WOULD BE HALF OF WHAT THEY NEED
TO DO, BECAUSE NOBODY SAID3
ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GOING
>> AND THERE WAS POLTING DATA.
>> THIS S SOMETHING TO MAKE THE
BUSINESS CROWD THAT HAS BEEN
CLAMMMRING NOR THIS FEEL VERY
GOOD GOING INTO WELL, IT IS LIKE
COTTON CANDY, IF THEY DON'T HAVE
THE FULL PACKAGE.
BUT THE DA SUGGESTS THAT PEOPLE
HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS FLIP3
FLOP.
YES, WE WILL GET MORE MONEY FOR
THE ROADS NOW IT IS OOER 60%.
OKAY PASTA.
>>>HOW MUCH IS GOING TO SATISFY
VOTERS, WEE ITH TALKED ABOUT
THIS, YOU HAVE JACE BULGER'S
PLAN, HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IS
THAT ENOUGH?
HOW MUCH ARE VOTERS PAYING
ATTENTION GOING WELL IT WILL BE
$500 MILLION OR 1.22 WHAT MAY
WANT WITH TO HEAR, OR THEY WANT,
IS AN INCCEASE IN MONEY FOR THE
ROADS THE HOUSE PLAA I THINK
WOULD MEAN THAT LAWMAKERS COULD
GO BACK AND SAY THAT.
YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING WITH
RICCARDVILLE.
WILL WE INCREASE ROADS BECAUSE
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PAYING AIR
IS IT $500 MILLION OR 1.2, WE
ALL ARE.
>> I THINK THEY WILL NOTICE A
DIFFERENCE.
IF YOU PUT $1.2 BILLION THEY
WILL LOOK PRETTY GOOD.
IF YOU PUT $500 MMLLION, MAYBE
IT DOESN'T GET TO YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT ARE
THE POTHOLES ON MY ROAD FIXED.
AND IF THEY AREN'T FIXED UNTIL
JANUARY 1ST, THEN YOU ARE STILL%
NOT SATISFYING PEOPLE.
>> RIGHT.
NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO SHOW UP
NEXT WEEK, OR NEXT MONDAY IF IT
IS VOTED UPON.
>> BUT THE PEOPLE FROM
ANTICIPATED.
WHEN I ALKED TO THE DOCTOR, HE
IS LIKE YEAH, THERE IS
EXPECTATTON, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT
úE CAN'T MOVE TOO FAST, BECAUSE
FIRST OF ALL YOU CAN'T PUTTER
ALL THE STUFF IN THE PIPELINE AT
ONE WITH TIME, BECAUSE YOU GET
IT WRONG, SO THE PEOPLE WILL SAY
OH MY GOSH, THEY PASS THIS, HOW
COME MY POTHOLE DOESN'T HAVE ANY
ASPHALTTIN IT.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ú> AND THIS IS WHY ROADS HAS
BECOME SUCH AN ISSUE, BECAUSE IT
IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE
PHYSICALLY IS SEEING EVERY
SINGLE DAY.
LIKE AN ISSUE LIKE DETROIT, KIT
BE DIFFERENT FOR PEOPLE.
GOT HOOES ARE ALL OVVR THE
DAY.E, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
>> THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT
THE POLLING DATA IS THAT THEY
ARE LESS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT
SPENDING MORE MONEY.
THEY DON'T THINK IT IS WHETHER
>> WOULD YOU POP $10 MORE A
MONTH, WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH BY
THE WAY, AND THE MAJORITY SAID
úES.
>> YOU HAVE ORINASE ARE SAYING
LOOK, WE ARE STILL SPENDING ON
ISSUES THAT WE WITH SHOULD MOVV
TAX, WHY DON'T WE USE THAT TO
ROADS THAT WE ARE STILL SPENDING
A LOT OF MONEY ON OTHER ISSUES.
INFORM PEOPLE CARE SO MUCH, WHY
DON'T WE MOVE SOME MONEY O
ROADS.
>> DETROIT PACKAGE IS MOVING
WITH A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE
COMMITTEE VOTT YESTERDAY.
>> YES, ANDDBY TODAY IT COULD BE
THROUGH THE HOUSE.
IS IS THAT GOING TO HHPPEN?
>> IT LOOKS TO BE.
APPARENTLY OUR GUEST FEELS VERY
CONFIDENT ABOUT IT, AND THE PACK
DAMAGE DID GO THROUGH YYSTERDAY
THROUGH THE PANEL WITHHWITH VERY
FEW HICCUPS.
>> 25 MINUTES.
NOT BAD FOR GOVERNMENT.
>> FOR 11 BILLS.
>> EXACTLY.
>> BUT THAT UNDERSCORES THE
HOURS THAT WENT IN BEHIND THE
SCENES.
I KNOW TWO OF THE PARTICIPANTS
MET OUT OF CONENY ISLAND OVER
THE WEEKEND, AND OVER COFFEE,
AND GOT SICK ON A CONENY DOG,
THHY WORKS OUT THE DETAILS.
THEY DO GET SOME STYLE POINTS
FOR DOING THIS ON A BIPARTISAN
BASIS.
THIS HHS BEEN PRETTY AMAZINGLY
HANDLED SO FAR.
THIS IS A REALLY CONTROVERSIAL
TOPIC, I HAVE TO SAY OF COURSE
WE ARE HEARING FROM BOTH SIDES
BUT OVERALL, AA OFFWHEN WE ARE
HAVE BEEN PRETTY AAAZED BY HOW
SMOOTH IT'S GONE.
THE TESTIMONY FROM ORR, FROM
DUGGEN, 24 HAS BEEN ANDLED VERY
VERY ELL WITH.
úHE OPTICS AS WELL AS JUST HOW
PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.
IT'S A VERY INTERESTING DYNAMIC
-úWATCH.
>>>AND MIKE DUGGEN, THE MAYYR
GOT SOMEESTUFF IN THE BILL THAT
HE WANTED.
>> YEAH.
DETROIT MAYORS THAT DON'T HAVE
THAT GREAT OF A TRACK RECORD,3
BUT HE KNOWS HOW TO WORK THE
SYSTEM.
HE WAS HERE HANDS ON, WHICH IS
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
-ú>> AND TALKING TO REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS, AND I MEAN HE
UNDERSTANDS THE SYSTEM.
HH IS PART OF THE LANE COUNTY
MACHHNE, AND TTAT'S THE KIND OF
VOICE YOU NEED IN DETROIT RIGHT
NOW.
HIS TESTIMOOY, HE SAID YOU
NOTICE THIS ROOM 14 YEARS AGO,
AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY DIRECTOR
ASKING FOR STATE AID.
IT WAS DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN,
BUT THERE WAS A FINE STTTEMENT,
I WAA HERE 14 YEARS AGO, NONE OF
YOU WERE HERE.
BUT HE DOES GET IT, AND I THIIK
THEY ACCUALLY HAVE A SHOT ATT3
THII THINN.
>> YEAH, AND I THINK HE CAME
INTO OFFICE, KNOWING THAT HE
WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, AND
KNOWING THAT DETRRIT NEEDED TO
BE FIXED FRANKLY.
TALKING ABOUT ACCOMPLISHMENT IS
IN THE HOUSE.
>> YES.
>> YEAH.
>> AND THERE ARE SIMILAR
PITFALLL.
THE UNION ISSUES SEEMS TO HAVE
BEEN RESOLVED WITH THEY WILL
KICK I MONEY, BUT NOT DIRECTLY.
>> MR. BULGER IS HAPPY WITH ITH
THAT.
>> YES.
BUT YOU HAVE THE DIA, AND THAT
KIND OF GOT SNUCK IN, AND THERE
ARE PEOPLE WHH ARE NOT VERY
THRILLED ON THAT FRONT.
>> THERE WILL BE AN ATTEMPT TO
TAKE THAT OUT TODAY, BUT AS I
TALKED TO THE DEMOCRAT, HE STAAD
YOU KNOW, IN A COMPROMISS, YOU
-úHAVE TO LOSEESOMETHING TO GET
SOMETHING, AND I DIDN'T LIKE
THHT, BUT HE PUT NIT THE BILL
BECAUSE E WITH NEEDED TO GET
THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
>> AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THE
BALANCING ACT.
WHATTARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP
TO SUPPORT THE WHOLE OF WHAT YOU
WANT, AND THAT WILL BE
INTERESTING TO WATCH WITH.
MINIMUM WAGE, THE HOUSEEIS GOING
TO CHANGE THIS?
>> YOU KNOW, IT IS UP IN THE
AIR.
THE SENATE THINKS THEY HAVE A
GOOD PROPOSAL, I AM CURIOUS TO
SEE WHAT THE HOUSE THINKS.
>> NO WAY IT WILL STAY AT 920,
AND INDEX TO INFLATION.
>> IF THEY TAKE THE INDEX TO
INFLATION OUT, THERE GO YOUR
DEMOCRATS VOTES.
>>>RIGHT.
BUT THERE O YOUR BUSINESS
SUPPORT, AND WHO NEEDS MONEY FOR
CAMPAIGNS THIS YEAR, EVERYBODY.
>> SO WHAT'S YOUR READ??3
>> THE READ SAW THAT HOW REQUEST
YOU GET A READ ON THIS ISSUE?3
AS WE WERE WITH TALKING ABOUT
EARLIER, WHAT IS THE ENN GAMM?
I MEAN THIS HHS BEEN ONE OF THE
MOST DYNAMIC STORIES TO WATCH IN
JUST THE SURPRISE THING TURNN IT
HAS TAKEN.
ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY KNOW HOWS
IN GOING TO ENN, IS COMPLETELY
NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
BECAUSE WE ARE ALL WATCCING WHAT
IS GOING ON, AND IT SEEMS LIKE
WHIPLASH LL OF THE DIFFERENT
CHANGES.
AND I THINK SUSANNE IS RIGHT, F
THEY GET RID OF THE CHAIN CPIS
THERE IS NO WAY IT WILL HAPPEE.
SOMEBODY -- IN FACT, THERAID
AMENDMENT WAS OFFERED TO TAKE IT
OUT, AND IT SURVEYED.
DOESN'T HE TALK TO LACE BULGER
ABOUT HIS STUFF?
>> YOU KNOW, I NEVER REALLY KNOW
WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>> WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW.
>> THIS STORY IS THE ONE WITH
THAT I THINK ALL OF REPORTERS
AND PEOPLE WHO WATCH WITH US
WISH WITH THEY WERE FLIES ON THE
ROAD.
ROADS IS INTERESTING, YOU WISH
YOU KNEW WHAT THE DISCUSSIONSS3
WERE.
DISCUSSION, BECAASE IT WAS ONLY
TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT RANDY HAA
THE SAME POSITION -- NO, THIS
WILL KILL HE ECONOMY, NNW IF WE
WITH DO IT A LITTLE LESS THAN A
DOLLAR, THEN WHAT THE PROPOSAL
IS THAT WON'T KILL THE ECONOMY.
AND LET'S GO AHE IS AND PASS IT.
AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE ALL OVER
THE PLACER TOO.
THIS WILL KIIL DEMOCRACY, BUT
LET'' DO IT.
>> REPRESENTATIVE, WOULD YOU
PLEASE.
>> JOHN WALSH IS THE SPEAKER PRO
TEM, AND IS SERVING HIS FINAL
TERM IN THE HOUSE.
HE SITS ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE
AND WORKING ON THE HIGHER ED AND
JUDICIARY BUDGETS.
HE CURRENTLY CHAIR S SPECIAL
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON AID TO
DETROIT.
HE HOLDS A B.A. DEGREE FROM MSU,
ANN HIS LAW DEGREE FROM WAYNE
STATE.
REPRESENTATIVE, GOOD TO HAVE YOU
ON THE PROGGAA.
>> THANK YOO.
>> SO ONE OF THE OPPONENTS TO
YOUR GRAND BARGAIN FOR DETROIT,
CCMES IN THE FORM OF A TEA PARTY
GROUP MERICANS FOR PROSPERITY.
DO THEY HAVE THE POWER TO
SUDDENLL THIS, OR ARE YOU GUYS
GOING O MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY?
>> I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO
MOVE FORWARD, ESPITE THAT.
CERTAINLY IT WILL HAVE SOME
IMPACT.
THEY DO HAVV THE FIRST AMENDMENT
RIGHT TO STATE THEIR OPINION,
AND TO EXERCISE IT, AND THEY ARE
GOING TO DO THAT, IT APPEERS,
WITH A LOT OF STRENGTH, BUT I
THINK THE STORYY THE ARGUMENTS,
LEGAL, AND FINANCIAL, FROM A
HUMAN DIGNNTY TAND POINT ILL
PREVAIL TODAY.
>> ARE THEY THREATENING YOUR
MEMBERS.
>> I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT.
>> IT SAID THAT IN THE LETTER.
>> I HAVEE'T SEEN THE LETTER.
I HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON MORE OF
THE POSITIVE, AND LET'S GET THIS
DONE.
>> THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO
SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO EDUCATE
THE VOTERS CAN IS CODE FOR?
>> THEY WILL FRY TO PROBABLY
BOUNCE SOME PEOPLE OUT OF
PRIMARIES I AM GOING TOOTAKE MY
TIME.
TO BACK PEOPLE THAT I THINK ARE3
AND THAA HAPPENS TO BE THE
INCUMBENTT.
I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD
JOB, I HAVE TO GO OUT AND BREAK
MY BACK TO PROTECT A VOTE THAT I
THINK IS RIGHT.
>> WE WITH HAVE A VERR OPEN
CAUCUS.
WE HAVE AAGREAT WILLINGNESS THE.
HOW WE CAANGETAROUUD WHAT COULD
BE A POLICY CONCERN, OR A
POLITICAL CONCERN.
WHAT DO YOU THIIK ABOUT TOSSING
THE BOMB AT THE 11TH HOUR?
>> WHAT IS THAT SMILE FOR?
>> BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS
SOMETHING AT THE END.
ALWAYS SOMEEHING THE L 24 HOURS.
YOU THINK YOU ARE MOVING ALONG,
AND ADDRESSED THE ISSUES AND
THEN SOMETHING COMES OUT OF
RIGHT FIELD.
I HAVE DONE WORK IN THE FAST AS
BONED ATTORNNY SO I HAVE
FAMIILARITT WITH IT.
AND IT'S ALL IN MEDIATION.
IT IS SUBJECT TO JUDGE ROSEN AND
HIS WORK.
ON TRYING TO BRING ABOUT AN
AUTHORITY OR SELL IT OR LEAVE
úITTWITH THE CCTY OF DETROIT.
OF THE BLUE COMES SOME LIMITS OF
PERHAPS WE CANNAPPEAL TO THE
LEGISLATURE.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THEY HAVE
A VALID POINT OR NOT.
BUT THEY ARE IN THE WRONG VENUE.
>> TALK A LITTLE BBT ABOUT THE
>>>THE -- IT'S THE INSTITUTE OF
ARTS THAT IS PURSUING FROM
MMVING TO A PUBLICLY OWNED TO A
THAT IS PART OF THE GRAND
BARGAIN IT HAS BEEN KNOWN.3
AS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT, THEY AAE
COMING FORRARD AND SUGGESTING WE
CAN BRING MONEY, THROUGH
WE RAISE, TO SECURE OUR
COLLECTION, AND MOVE INTT A 501
LONGER OONED BY THE CITY, AND SO
ONE OF THE BILLS THAT IS IN THE
PAAKAGE, IS TO ADJUST TTE FACT
THERE WILL BE A CHANGE OF
OWNEESHIP.
FROM A PUBLICLY OWNED ENTITY, TO
A PRIVATELY OWNED.
>> WHY IS THE DIA NOT PART OF
THE GRAND BARGAIN?
AS THEY CAMM OUT PUBLICLY, AND
MADE THAT STATEMENT.%
>> THEY ARE PART OF THE PLAN OF
ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS THE
SETTLEMENT.
IF THERE'S A DRIVING DOCUMENT
THAT'S THE BAR DWAYNE.
IT IS THE PLAN OF ADJUSTMENT
THAT THE COURT WILL ULTIMATELY
BANG WITH A GAV VEAL INTO
EFFECT, IF EVERYBODY IS ONBOARD.
THEY ARE PART OF IT.
>> WHY HAVE THE D.I.A. BE PART
OF THII BILL?
OBVIOUSLY, THEY SAID THEYYWANT
TO PUT $100 MILLION OVER 2003
YEARS TOWARDS THIS PACKAGE
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO
BUT WHY HAVE THAT SPEEIFIC ISSUE
WHEN THE MILK ISN'T EVEN UP
UNSTILL 2022 WITHIN WHY NOT HAVE
THAT NOT BE PART OF THE PACKAGE
AND DEAL WITH THAT LATER ON, IF
THAT IS A TICKING POINT?
>> THERE'S TWO THINGS IN THE
QUESTION, WHY ARE THEY PART OF
THEY ARE GOING TO BRING
DIRECTLY, BUT THEY ARE
ATTRACTING OVER $3000MILLION
FROM VARIOUS FOUNDATIONS.
WE PARTICIPATE, AND HELP DETROIT
COME OUT OF BANKRUPTCY IF TTE
STATE OF MICHHGAN PARTIIIPATES,
IF ALL OF THE STAKE HOLDERS
AGREE TO THE PLAN, AND YOU LEAVE
IT ALONE.
>> ABSOLLTELY.
>> O THAT'S HOW THEY ARE
SECURING IT.
BUT PART OF THAT, IS A BUILT
THHT ALLOWED THEM TO COLLECT A%
MILLEDGE IF THE VOTERS AGREE, I
THINN THEY ARE ABOUT TWO YEARS
INTO A TEN YEAR PERIOD.
THE LEGISLATION WILL GIVE THEM A
SECOND TEN YEAR PERIOD.
WHAT WE ARE SAYIIG IS YOU ARE
MOVING INTO A PRIVATE STATUS.
YOU ARE NO LONGER PUBLICLY
OONED, FOR ME, AND SOME OF MY
THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS.
WE CAN LEAVING THE CURRENT
MILLEDGE IN PLACE.
>> WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH WITH
BINDING ARBITRATION WITH WITH
POLICE AND FIRE.
>> THAT CONTINUES ---OH, THE ONE
WITH ARTICULAR BILL.
THERE'S SO MANY ITEMS.
WITH WITH RESPEET TO THAT, THE
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS THAT
THE MUNICIIALITY WILL DEAL WITH
WITH, IS COLLECTIVE BARGAINS
AGREEMENTS AND FOR POLICE AND
FIRE, BIBBING ARBITRATION.
ALL WE ARE DOING -- THE FIRST
BILL WAS A BROAD OVERREACH.
I DID NOT INTEND THAT, DRAFTING
SOMETIMES GOES A LITTLE GOOFY,
YOU GET THE BILL, AND YOU HAVE
TO AMEND IT.
THE AMENDMENT TAILORS IT VERY
TIGHTLY.
>> SO YOU AREN'T THROWING OUT
BINDING ARBIIRATION.
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I DIFFERRFROM MY OOIR
COLLEAGUES, I LIKE 312.
ú> WELL, YOU PASSED IT ON THE
BIPARTISAN BASIS.3
>> CORRECT..3
ú> THE SPEAKER HOLDS THAT UP -
>> CORRECT, II WAS WELL WITH
DONE.
THIS JUST SIMPLY SAYS IF THERE
IS BINDING ARBITRATION UNDERWAY,
AND THE CITY HAS TO FFLE
NUMBERS,,DOCUMENTATION, IF THE
COMMISSION BELIIVES THAT
COMMISSIONER WILL PROVIDE
OVERSITE THAT THERE'S SOME
INACCURACY, OR SOME ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SUBMIT
INFORMATION.
THE ARBITTATOR IS REQUIRED TO
CONSIDER IT, BUT NOT PRIORITIZE
IT, TTAT'S ALL THE BILL DOES.
>> ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES I THINK
IS THIS IDEA OF TAXPAYER MONEY
-úGOING TO DETROIT.
-úTHAT HAS BEEN THE NARRATIVE OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE
BILL.
EXPLAIN WHY IS THIS A GOOD DEAL
FOR TAXPAYERS IN.
>> I CAN EXPLAINNNIT A COUPLE OF
WAYS.
PUT ON MYYLEGAL HAT.
AS A LAWWER, THIS ISN'T A
SETTLEMENT, WE WITH HAVE MANY
MANN DISPUTES IN PLACE.
WHEN YOU CAN BRING RESOLUTION,
OR LIMIT WHAT CAN BE YOUR
POTENTIAL EXPOSURE, FOR WHAT
COULD BE 10 CENTS, 20 CENTS ON A
DOLLAR, AND YOU BRING
RESOLUTION, YOU ALLOW THE
CITIZEN TO OVE FORWARD, YOU END
THE LITIGATION, THERE ARE 18
CASES THAT WILL PEND AS A PART
OF THIS.
WE WILL SAVE $20 MILLION IN3
LEGAL FEES ALONE.3
JUST ON THAT, SO I THINK THERE'S
A LEGAL REASON TOODO IT.
IT BRINGS RESOLUTION, AND LETS
US MOVE FFRWARD.
FINANCIALLY, YOU ARE TAKING A
LOOK AT CITY THAT IS ON HOLD.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT A STATE THAT
IS ON HOLD.3
THE STATE DOOSN'T MAKE THAT3HIS,
INVESTMENT.
THE CUTS THAT WILL HAVE TO OCCUR
TO THE PPNSIONERS WILL BECOME SO
SEVERE TO END THE BANKRUPTCY,
THAT ON A CONSERVATIVE BASIS, IT
-úWILL COST THE STATE $270 MILLN
ALONE, IN SOCIAL SAFETY NET
COSTS.
>> SO -- SO THIS S A DEAL, JUST
ON THAT NUMBER ALONE, THAT IN
THE LEGAL COST, AND OTHER
POTENTIAL EXPENSES THE STATE
FACES I THINK THIS IS A WISE
THING TO DO.
>> FUR THE LAWMAKERS THAT ARE IN
SWING DISTRICTS WILL YOU GIVE
THEM A PASS?
>> WE ARE ASKING EVERYONE TO
VOTE THEIR CONSCIOUS.
WE HAVE HEARD ARGUMENTS AGAINST,
BUT WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO
STAND UP AND DO WHAT THEY THINK
IS RIGHT.
OF COURSE PEOPLL HAVE POLICY AND
POLITICAL CONCERNS TTEYYHAVE TO
TAKE THAT INTO ACCCUNT.
>> O YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A
MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN VOTES IN.
>> I DO EXPEET A MAJORITY OF
REPUBLICAN VOTES BUT WE NEED TO
DEMOCRATS TO GET HIS ACROSS.
SOME HAVE TRIED TOOMAKE THIS A
REPUBLICAN ISSUE, THIS IS A
GEOGRAPHIC ISSUE.
>> IT IS A GEOGRAPHIC.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> AND THERE ARE A LOT THAT
DON'T LIKEEDETROIT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT
REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, T IS
SOMEBODY SITTING IN A DISTRICT,
FAR FAR AWAY FROM HERE, SAYING
WHY AM I SENDING MY CITIZENS TAX
DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS.
SOOIT IS GOING TO BE A
COMBINATION OF PEOPLE FROM
GOING O BE A LOCK SOLID
REPUBLICAN OR A LOCK SOLID
DDMOCRATIC VOTE.
IF THE VOTE DOESN'T HAAPEN
TODAY, WHY WOULD THAT HAVE
HAPPENED?
>> I FELT PRETTY GOOD LAST
NIGHT, AND THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR
THE DEMOCRATS, BUT 12 HOURS HAVE
PASSED, AND I AM PRAYING EVERY
TEXT, AND PHONE CALL I GET THAT
SOMETHING HASN'T CHANGED.
WE WITH HAVE SOME MINOR
AMENDMENTS BUT NOTHING THAT
WOULD RACK ANYBODY.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE
IS IF SOMEBODY WENT ANDDDID A
TOWN HALL, AND THEY RECEIVED
SUCH NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, OR
CHANGE THE VOTE.HEY DECIDED TO
MIKE DUNN CAN RUNNING THE VOTE?
>> HE PORTRAYS A LOT OF
CONFIDENCE.
>> POST MIKE DUNN CAN IS THE
CONCERN, ISN'T IT?
>> IT IS PART OF THEECOOCERN.
WWEN YOU CAN LOOK AT A PERSON,
YOU CAN SHAKE THEIR HAND, YOU
CAN GET A SENSE OF THE PERSON
NARKS' OMFORTAALE.
OR DISCOMFORTING IF YOU HAVE A%
DIIFERENT TRACK RECORD.
THE OVERSIGHT WE WITH ARE TRYING
TO PROVIDE.
IN A REASONABLE FFSHION.
>> SOME SAY YOU GAVE AWAY TTE
FARM.
BASICALLY EVERYTHING HE WAATED.
YOU SHOWED ME IN THIS DOCUMENT
OF THE FOUR PAGES OF CONDITION
WHAT DD THEY GIVE AWAY.
WHAT DO THEY GIVE AWAA, WE WITH
IF YOU RECEIVE A VARIETY OF --
THE VERSITE BOARD GOES DORMANT,
THEY ARE STILL THERE, GEETING
REPORTS BUTTTHE CITY GOES ABOUT
ITS BUSINESS.
WE MADE SURE THE COUNCIL HAD
REPRESENTATION.
ON THE COMMISSIONN
IT CCANGES HOW THINGS ARE GOING
TO BE MEASURES OR RUN.
>> WHY DOES A GUY LEAD HIS
CHARGE?
>> WELL, IT'S -- IT IS CLOSE TO
MYYDISTRICT, FIRST AND FOREMOST.
I SPEND A LOT OF TIMM THERE AS A
CHILD.
WENT TO LAW SCHOOL THERE, SPENT
A LOT OF TIME OVER THE LAST SIX
MONTHS IN THE CITY.
IT IS A WONDERFUL CITY THAT CAN
HAVE A GREAT FUTURE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US TTAT
IT SUCCEEDS.
>> ISN'T 14 YEARS OF OVERSIGHT A
LITTLE PROBLEMATIC?
>> YOU CAN TAKE IT AS THAT, BUT
YOU CAN ALSO THINK IT AS A
REASONED DOZE OF APPROPRIATE
BEHAVIOR, WHEN YOU ARE ASKING
PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE TO MAKE3
AN INVESTMENT, IN A CITY THAT
THEY HAVE REASON TO BE NERVOUS
ABOUT.
50 YEARS OF NOT SO GOOD HISTORY,
SOME OF IT WAS CAUSEE BY
MISMANAGEMENT.3
YOU ARE TALLING TO SOMEBODY TO
SAY I CAN GGT BEHIND THIS, BUT
THEY DON'T WANT WITH TO JUST
GIVE THE MONEY.
SO THEY ARE TRYING TO PATTERN
SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAA NEW YORK
DID, HAVE PROPER OVERSSGHT,
WHILE ALLOWING THE CITY DO GO
ABOUT IT.
>> AFTER YOU GET OUT WHAT ARE
YOU GOING TO DO?
>> WHAT WILL I DO NEXT,LY GO
BACK TO MY LAW PRACTICE OR AC
DAME YEAH.
THAT SUMMERLY BE WORKING ON
THAT, BUT LIT BE ONE OF THOSE
TWO THINGS.
>> YOU DON'T WANT WITH TO RUN.
>> I AM GOOD.
[LAUGHTER]
>> THAT WAS WITH QUICK.
>> THIS WAS A COMMITMENT MY WIFE
AND I --
>> I HEAR MY IFE IN THE
BACKGROUNDD
>> WE BELIEVED THIS WAS SIX
YEAR COMMITMENT.
THERE WAS SOMETHING I FELT I
COULD DO, I HAD TO DO, I JUST
WANTED TO STAND UP, BUTS THISN'T
HOW I INTEND TO SPEND THE REST
OF MY LIFE,LY NEVER SAY NEVER --
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