RECORD" STARTS RIGHT AFTER THIS.
ON THE OTR PANEL THIS EEK,

SUSANNE DEMISAND EMILY LAWLER,
ALONG WITH WITH ZOE CLARK.

HERE IS THE RUN DOWN.
MORE MONEY FOR THE ROADS, LOTS

MORE.
AND LAAEE ON REPUBLICAN%

REPRESENTATIVEEJOHN WELSH IS
HERE TO DISCUSS THAT STATE AID

PACKAGE FOR MO TOWN.
ALL OF THIS AND MORE COMING UP

RRGHT NOW ON "OFF THE RECORD."
>>¶ .

>> GETTING THE INSIDE OUT.
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>> AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF

THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.
>> THANK YOU, JOE DONOVAN AND

WELCOME TO THIS HOLIDAY EDITION
THURSDAY.%

RANDY, SENNTOR REPUBLICAN LEADER
%--úMONEY ON THE ROADS.BUNCH OF

>> YOU WILL PAY MORE GASOLINE
TAX THAN YOU DO TODAY.

THE PROPOSAL WOULD HIKE THE TAX
TO 7.5%, WHICH HE CLAIMS WILL

RAISE A BUNDLE TT FIX YOUR
POTHOLE.

>> THAT WILL CREATE SIX TO
$650 MILLION, THE NEXT WHERE

SOMEWHERE AROUND 85, NEXT YEAR3
SOMEWHERE AROUND 1 BILLION.

AND EVVNTUALLY WE WILL GET US TO
THE 1.5 BILLION WE NEED TO FIX

THE PROBLLM.
>> ADDED ADDITION DOLLARS PASSED

BY THE HOUSE RECENTLY, BY
ELIMINATE ADDIS COUNTTON YOUR

NEW CARR REGISTRATION FEES.
>> HAT WILL HELP RAISE

$140 MILLION A JEER, FOR THE
TRANSPORTATION OPPORTUNITY.

>> BUT THE DEMOCRATS COMPLAINED
THAN SOMETHING ELSE SHOULD BE,

DONE TO TAKE THE STING OUT OF
THAT.

>> WE WANT WITH TO MAKE SURE,
THAT THE CITIZENS ARE JUST

NOT -- WE KEEP PILING IT ON,
ADDING TAXES, WE NICKEL AND IME

THEY WANT, AND WE NICK AND DIME
THEN INTO THE POOR HOUSE.

-ú>> BUT THE SENATE REPUBLICAN
LEADER DOES NOT WANT WITH TO

HORSE TRADE WITH THE DEMOCRATS.
>> IF I WAS A DEMOCRAT LEADER,

AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
REPUBLICANS VOTING FOR A

MAJORITY OF THE VOTES, NECESSARY
TO PASS THE TAX INCREASE IN AN

ELECTION YEAR, AND FOR 30 SOME
THOUSAND WORKERS TO WORK, I

WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO ASK FOR
SOMETHING MORE.

LEADER WILL ASK IS FOR SOMETHING
BEFORE THIS IS OVER.

EVEN IF THE TWO SIDES MAKE A
DEAL, THIS PACKAGE WILL NOT

IMMEDIATELY RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> THE BILL THEY ARE TALKING

ABOUT NOW, ACTUALLY GOES IN
EFFECT JANUARY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR,

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL
START TOMORROW.

>> YEAH, NOT GOING TO START
TOMORROW, BUT THAT'S A SIDE

POINT.
RICHARD, THIS IS A BUNDLE OF

MONEY.
>> RIGHT.

AND THE BULK OF IT COMES FROM
THE WHOLESALE TAX.

SO FOR BOTH GAS AND DIESEL, IT
WOULD GET UP TO 15.5%, WHICH IS

MORE THAN DOUBLE THAN IT IS
RIGHT NOW, STARTING IN WENT 15.

>> DOES THIS HAVE A CHANCE.
>> IT DOES..3

CERTAINLY THE MICHIGAN CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR

ROAD FUNDING FOR A VERY LONG
TIME, AND THEY ARE A POWERFUL

INTEREST GROUP.
BUT SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OO THE

CAUCUS, WHO ARE FACINGG3
REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES MUST BE

JUST ABOUU READY TO THROTTLE HIM
RIGHT NOW.

>> WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT HE
IS TERM LIMITED.

>> WE SHOULD.
>> MAYBE PART OF EQUATION HERE.

>> AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
HERE, IS REPUBLICANS OF COURSE

AS YOUR PIECE SET UP, THERE'S
THIS ISSUE OF WILL DEMOCRATS GET

ONBOARD.
EVERYONE IS SAYING LET'S FIX THE

RRAD, LET'S RACE MONEY, EVERYONE
CAN AGREE ON THAT, THE ISSUE IS

HOW WILL WE WITH DO IT, IT IS
THE SAME STORY FOR MONTHS.

THEY ARE READY TO, BUT HOW ARE3
THEY GOING TO, AND DEMOCRATS

WILL BE A BIG PART OF THIS, AT
LEAST ARE TRYING TO BECOME A BIG

PART OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS.
-ú>> WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO ASK

FOR?
>> IN COMMITTEE, AT LEAST, THEY

TRIED TO TIE IT TO UNRELATED
ISSUES.

MINIMUM WAGE BILLS, SOME THINGS
LIKEETHE PENSION TAX.

>> EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT.
>> EARNED INCOME TAX, SO THINGS

THAT AREN'T IRECTLY RELATED TO
THE ROADS.

>> THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT IS
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING HIT

WITH WITH THESE TAX INCREASESS
SO HELP THE WORKING POOR, SO

THAT THEY ARE NOT -- THEER
PICKETSSARE NOT -- THEIR POCKETS

ARE NOT PICKED.
AND HELP THEM ITH THE MINIMUM

WAGE, SO THEY CAN MAKE MORE
MONEY TOOGIVE IT TO THE

GOVERNMENT.
>> BUT THE INTERESTING WRINKLE

IN THIS DEBATE, THE GOVERNOR
CALLED IN THE TWO DEMOCRATIC

LEADEES FOR THE FIRST TIME, I
THINK THIS IS HATCH THE

QUADRANT.
>> AND IT WAS THE "IRREEEVANT

HALF."
BUT HE REALIZES HE NEEDS VOTES.

I AM FOOD FROM A THIRD PARTY,
WHEN THEY RAISE THE ISSUE OF

úORSE TRADING, IS GOVERNMENT --
WHAT DO YOU MEAN HORSE TRADING?

>> TTE GOVERNOR IS ALLAYS SAYING
HE DOESN'T HORSE RADE.

>> IF HE WANTS VOTE HE HAS TO
COUGH SOMETHING UP.

>> ALTHOUGH THE GOVERNOR HAS
REMAINED VERYYQUIET.

FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS HE HAS
BEEN PUSHING FOR ROAD FUNDING,

SAYING WE NEED ABOUT THE AMOUNT
THAT RANDY RICHARD IS LOOKING

úT, $1.2 BILLION ANNUALLY A
YEAR, AND NOW HIS PAST WEEK WE

WITH HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FROM3
HIM, AND WE WITH ARE SEEING

NEGOTIATIONS SORT OF HEAT UP.
>> AND YOU KNOW MICHIGAN CHAMBER

PRESIDENT WAS ON TWITTER AT SIX
IN THE MORNING SAYING NO HORSE

TRADING WHATSOEVER.
THESE ARE PEEP WHO DONNT LIKE TO

COMPROMISE, AND THE DEMOCRATS
DON'T HAVE THAT MANY VOTES.3

>> WELL, THAA IS TTE KEY POINT,
THE DEMOCRATS HHVE NO VOTES TO

DO ANYTHING.
THEY ONLY LEVERAGE THEY HAVE IS

SAY LET'S MAKE A DEAL OO WE
WON'T GIVE YOU VOTES.

>> THINK THE POINT IS THAT
WANT O VOTE FOR THIS.

>> WHICH MEANS THEY NEED EVEN
MORE.

>> EXACTLY.
I THINK THEY ARE MORE LEVERAGE

THAN USUAL.
>> WELL, DOES RANDY -- HE IS

GOING TO RUN THIS NEXT WEEK,
THAT'S A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME.

BUT LET'S KEEP II MIND, THAT
WOULD BE HALF OF WHAT THEY NEED

TO DO, BECAUSE NOBODY SAID3
ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GOING

>> AND THERE WAS POLTING DATA.
>> THIS S SOMETHING TO MAKE THE

BUSINESS CROWD THAT HAS BEEN
CLAMMMRING NOR THIS FEEL VERY

GOOD GOING INTO WELL, IT IS LIKE
COTTON CANDY, IF THEY DON'T HAVE

THE FULL PACKAGE.
BUT THE DA SUGGESTS THAT PEOPLE

HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS FLIP3
FLOP.

YES, WE WILL GET MORE MONEY FOR
THE ROADS NOW IT IS OOER 60%.

OKAY PASTA.
>>>HOW MUCH IS GOING TO SATISFY

VOTERS, WEE ITH TALKED ABOUT
THIS, YOU HAVE JACE BULGER'S

PLAN, HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IS
THAT ENOUGH?

HOW MUCH ARE VOTERS PAYING
ATTENTION GOING WELL IT WILL BE

$500 MILLION OR 1.22 WHAT MAY
WANT WITH TO HEAR, OR THEY WANT,

IS AN INCCEASE IN MONEY FOR THE
ROADS THE HOUSE PLAA I THINK

WOULD MEAN THAT LAWMAKERS COULD
GO BACK AND SAY THAT.

YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING WITH
RICCARDVILLE.

WILL WE INCREASE ROADS BECAUSE
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PAYING AIR

IS IT $500 MILLION OR 1.2, WE
ALL ARE.

>> I THINK THEY WILL NOTICE A
DIFFERENCE.

IF YOU PUT $1.2 BILLION THEY
WILL LOOK PRETTY GOOD.

IF YOU PUT $500 MMLLION, MAYBE
IT DOESN'T GET TO YOUR

NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT ARE

THE POTHOLES ON MY ROAD FIXED.
AND IF THEY AREN'T FIXED UNTIL

JANUARY 1ST, THEN YOU ARE STILL%
NOT SATISFYING PEOPLE.

>> RIGHT.
NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO SHOW UP

NEXT WEEK, OR NEXT MONDAY IF IT
IS VOTED UPON.

>> BUT THE PEOPLE FROM
ANTICIPATED.

WHEN I ALKED TO THE DOCTOR, HE
IS LIKE YEAH, THERE IS

EXPECTATTON, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT
úE CAN'T MOVE TOO FAST, BECAUSE

FIRST OF ALL YOU CAN'T PUTTER
ALL THE STUFF IN THE PIPELINE AT

ONE WITH TIME, BECAUSE YOU GET
IT WRONG, SO THE PEOPLE WILL SAY

OH MY GOSH, THEY PASS THIS, HOW
COME MY POTHOLE DOESN'T HAVE ANY

ASPHALTTIN IT.
>> ABSOLUTELY.

ú> AND THIS IS WHY ROADS HAS
BECOME SUCH AN ISSUE, BECAUSE IT

IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE
PHYSICALLY IS SEEING EVERY

SINGLE DAY.
LIKE AN ISSUE LIKE DETROIT, KIT

BE DIFFERENT FOR PEOPLE.
GOT HOOES ARE ALL OVVR THE

DAY.E, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
>> THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT

THE POLLING DATA IS THAT THEY
ARE LESS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT

SPENDING MORE MONEY.
THEY DON'T THINK IT IS WHETHER

>> WOULD YOU POP $10 MORE A
MONTH, WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH BY

THE WAY, AND THE MAJORITY SAID
úES.

>> YOU HAVE ORINASE ARE SAYING
LOOK, WE ARE STILL SPENDING ON

ISSUES THAT WE WITH SHOULD MOVV
TAX, WHY DON'T WE USE THAT TO

ROADS THAT WE ARE STILL SPENDING
A LOT OF MONEY ON OTHER ISSUES.

INFORM PEOPLE CARE SO MUCH, WHY
DON'T WE MOVE SOME MONEY O

ROADS.
>> DETROIT PACKAGE IS MOVING

WITH A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE
COMMITTEE VOTT YESTERDAY.

>> YES, ANDDBY TODAY IT COULD BE
THROUGH THE HOUSE.

IS IS THAT GOING TO HHPPEN?
>> IT LOOKS TO BE.

APPARENTLY OUR GUEST FEELS VERY
CONFIDENT ABOUT IT, AND THE PACK

DAMAGE DID GO THROUGH YYSTERDAY
THROUGH THE PANEL WITHHWITH VERY

FEW HICCUPS.
>> 25 MINUTES.

NOT BAD FOR GOVERNMENT.
>> FOR 11 BILLS.

>> EXACTLY.
>> BUT THAT UNDERSCORES THE

HOURS THAT WENT IN BEHIND THE
SCENES.

I KNOW TWO OF THE PARTICIPANTS
MET OUT OF CONENY ISLAND OVER

THE WEEKEND, AND OVER COFFEE,
AND GOT SICK ON A CONENY DOG,

THHY WORKS OUT THE DETAILS.
THEY DO GET SOME STYLE POINTS

FOR DOING THIS ON A BIPARTISAN
BASIS.

THIS HHS BEEN PRETTY AMAZINGLY
HANDLED SO FAR.

THIS IS A REALLY CONTROVERSIAL
TOPIC, I HAVE TO SAY OF COURSE

WE ARE HEARING FROM BOTH SIDES
BUT OVERALL, AA OFFWHEN WE ARE

HAVE BEEN PRETTY AAAZED BY HOW
SMOOTH IT'S GONE.

THE TESTIMONY FROM ORR, FROM
DUGGEN, 24 HAS BEEN ANDLED VERY

VERY ELL WITH.
úHE OPTICS AS WELL AS JUST HOW

PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.
IT'S A VERY INTERESTING DYNAMIC

-úWATCH.
>>>AND MIKE DUGGEN, THE MAYYR

GOT SOMEESTUFF IN THE BILL THAT
HE WANTED.

>> YEAH.
DETROIT MAYORS THAT DON'T HAVE

THAT GREAT OF A TRACK RECORD,3
BUT HE KNOWS HOW TO WORK THE

SYSTEM.
HE WAS HERE HANDS ON, WHICH IS

WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
-ú>> AND TALKING TO REPUBLICANS

AND DEMOCRATS, AND I MEAN HE
UNDERSTANDS THE SYSTEM.

HH IS PART OF THE LANE COUNTY
MACHHNE, AND TTAT'S THE KIND OF

VOICE YOU NEED IN DETROIT RIGHT
NOW.

HIS TESTIMOOY, HE SAID YOU
NOTICE THIS ROOM 14 YEARS AGO,

AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY DIRECTOR
ASKING FOR STATE AID.

IT WAS DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN,
BUT THERE WAS A FINE STTTEMENT,

I WAA HERE 14 YEARS AGO, NONE OF
YOU WERE HERE.

BUT HE DOES GET IT, AND I THIIK
THEY ACCUALLY HAVE A SHOT ATT3

THII THINN.
>> YEAH, AND I THINK HE CAME

INTO OFFICE, KNOWING THAT HE
WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, AND

KNOWING THAT DETRRIT NEEDED TO
BE FIXED FRANKLY.

TALKING ABOUT ACCOMPLISHMENT IS
IN THE HOUSE.

>> YES.
>> YEAH.

>> AND THERE ARE SIMILAR
PITFALLL.

THE UNION ISSUES SEEMS TO HAVE
BEEN RESOLVED WITH THEY WILL

KICK I MONEY, BUT NOT DIRECTLY.
>> MR. BULGER IS HAPPY WITH ITH

THAT.
>> YES.

BUT YOU HAVE THE DIA, AND THAT
KIND OF GOT SNUCK IN, AND THERE

ARE PEOPLE WHH ARE NOT VERY
THRILLED ON THAT FRONT.

>> THERE WILL BE AN ATTEMPT TO
TAKE THAT OUT TODAY, BUT AS I

TALKED TO THE DEMOCRAT, HE STAAD
YOU KNOW, IN A COMPROMISS, YOU

-úHAVE TO LOSEESOMETHING TO GET
SOMETHING, AND I DIDN'T LIKE

THHT, BUT HE PUT NIT THE BILL
BECAUSE E WITH NEEDED TO GET

THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
>> AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THE

BALANCING ACT.
WHATTARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP

TO SUPPORT THE WHOLE OF WHAT YOU
WANT, AND THAT WILL BE

INTERESTING TO WATCH WITH.
MINIMUM WAGE, THE HOUSEEIS GOING

TO CHANGE THIS?
>> YOU KNOW, IT IS UP IN THE

AIR.
THE SENATE THINKS THEY HAVE A

GOOD PROPOSAL, I AM CURIOUS TO
SEE WHAT THE HOUSE THINKS.

>> NO WAY IT WILL STAY AT 920,
AND INDEX TO INFLATION.

>> IF THEY TAKE THE INDEX TO
INFLATION OUT, THERE GO YOUR

DEMOCRATS VOTES.
>>>RIGHT.

BUT THERE O YOUR BUSINESS
SUPPORT, AND WHO NEEDS MONEY FOR

CAMPAIGNS THIS YEAR, EVERYBODY.
>> SO WHAT'S YOUR READ??3

>> THE READ SAW THAT HOW REQUEST
YOU GET A READ ON THIS ISSUE?3

AS WE WERE WITH TALKING ABOUT
EARLIER, WHAT IS THE ENN GAMM?

I MEAN THIS HHS BEEN ONE OF THE
MOST DYNAMIC STORIES TO WATCH IN

JUST THE SURPRISE THING TURNN IT
HAS TAKEN.

ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY KNOW HOWS
IN GOING TO ENN, IS COMPLETELY

NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
BECAUSE WE ARE ALL WATCCING WHAT

IS GOING ON, AND IT SEEMS LIKE
WHIPLASH LL OF THE DIFFERENT

CHANGES.
AND I THINK SUSANNE IS RIGHT, F

THEY GET RID OF THE CHAIN CPIS
THERE IS NO WAY IT WILL HAPPEE.

SOMEBODY -- IN FACT, THERAID
AMENDMENT WAS OFFERED TO TAKE IT

OUT, AND IT SURVEYED.
DOESN'T HE TALK TO LACE BULGER

ABOUT HIS STUFF?
>> YOU KNOW, I NEVER REALLY KNOW

WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>> WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW.

>> THIS STORY IS THE ONE WITH
THAT I THINK ALL OF REPORTERS

AND PEOPLE WHO WATCH WITH US
WISH WITH THEY WERE FLIES ON THE

ROAD.
ROADS IS INTERESTING, YOU WISH

YOU KNEW WHAT THE DISCUSSIONSS3
WERE.

DISCUSSION, BECAASE IT WAS ONLY
TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT RANDY HAA

THE SAME POSITION -- NO, THIS
WILL KILL HE ECONOMY, NNW IF WE

WITH DO IT A LITTLE LESS THAN A
DOLLAR, THEN WHAT THE PROPOSAL

IS THAT WON'T KILL THE ECONOMY.
AND LET'S GO AHE IS AND PASS IT.

AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE ALL OVER
THE PLACER TOO.

THIS WILL KIIL DEMOCRACY, BUT
LET'' DO IT.

>> REPRESENTATIVE, WOULD YOU
PLEASE.

>> JOHN WALSH IS THE SPEAKER PRO
TEM, AND IS SERVING HIS FINAL

TERM IN THE HOUSE.
HE SITS ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE

AND WORKING ON THE HIGHER ED AND
JUDICIARY BUDGETS.

HE CURRENTLY CHAIR S SPECIAL
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON AID TO

DETROIT.
HE HOLDS A B.A. DEGREE FROM MSU,

ANN HIS LAW DEGREE FROM WAYNE
STATE.

REPRESENTATIVE, GOOD TO HAVE YOU
ON THE PROGGAA.

>> THANK YOO.
>> SO ONE OF THE OPPONENTS TO

YOUR GRAND BARGAIN FOR DETROIT,
CCMES IN THE FORM OF A TEA PARTY

GROUP MERICANS FOR PROSPERITY.
DO THEY HAVE THE POWER TO

SUDDENLL THIS, OR ARE YOU GUYS
GOING O MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY?

>> I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO
MOVE FORWARD, ESPITE THAT.

CERTAINLY IT WILL HAVE SOME
IMPACT.

THEY DO HAVV THE FIRST AMENDMENT
RIGHT TO STATE THEIR OPINION,

AND TO EXERCISE IT, AND THEY ARE
GOING TO DO THAT, IT APPEERS,

WITH A LOT OF STRENGTH, BUT I
THINK THE STORYY THE ARGUMENTS,

LEGAL, AND FINANCIAL, FROM A
HUMAN DIGNNTY TAND POINT ILL

PREVAIL TODAY.
>> ARE THEY THREATENING YOUR

MEMBERS.
>> I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT.

>> IT SAID THAT IN THE LETTER.
>> I HAVEE'T SEEN THE LETTER.

I HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON MORE OF
THE POSITIVE, AND LET'S GET THIS

DONE.
>> THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO

SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO EDUCATE
THE VOTERS CAN IS CODE FOR?

>> THEY WILL FRY TO PROBABLY
BOUNCE SOME PEOPLE OUT OF

PRIMARIES I AM GOING TOOTAKE MY
TIME.

TO BACK PEOPLE THAT I THINK ARE3
AND THAA HAPPENS TO BE THE

INCUMBENTT.
I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD

JOB, I HAVE TO GO OUT AND BREAK
MY BACK TO PROTECT A VOTE THAT I

THINK IS RIGHT.
>> WE WITH HAVE A VERR OPEN

CAUCUS.
WE HAVE AAGREAT WILLINGNESS THE.

HOW WE CAANGETAROUUD WHAT COULD
BE A POLICY CONCERN, OR A

POLITICAL CONCERN.
WHAT DO YOU THIIK ABOUT TOSSING

THE BOMB AT THE 11TH HOUR?
>> WHAT IS THAT SMILE FOR?

>> BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS
SOMETHING AT THE END.

ALWAYS SOMEEHING THE L 24 HOURS.
YOU THINK YOU ARE MOVING ALONG,

AND ADDRESSED THE ISSUES AND
THEN SOMETHING COMES OUT OF

RIGHT FIELD.
I HAVE DONE WORK IN THE FAST AS

BONED ATTORNNY SO I HAVE
FAMIILARITT WITH IT.

AND IT'S ALL IN MEDIATION.
IT IS SUBJECT TO JUDGE ROSEN AND

HIS WORK.
ON TRYING TO BRING ABOUT AN

AUTHORITY OR SELL IT OR LEAVE
úITTWITH THE CCTY OF DETROIT.

OF THE BLUE COMES SOME LIMITS OF
PERHAPS WE CANNAPPEAL TO THE

LEGISLATURE.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THEY HAVE

A VALID POINT OR NOT.
BUT THEY ARE IN THE WRONG VENUE.

>> TALK A LITTLE BBT ABOUT THE
>>>THE -- IT'S THE INSTITUTE OF

ARTS THAT IS PURSUING FROM
MMVING TO A PUBLICLY OWNED TO A

THAT IS PART OF THE GRAND
BARGAIN IT HAS BEEN KNOWN.3

AS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT, THEY AAE
COMING FORRARD AND SUGGESTING WE

CAN BRING MONEY, THROUGH
WE RAISE, TO SECURE OUR

COLLECTION, AND MOVE INTT A 501
LONGER OONED BY THE CITY, AND SO

ONE OF THE BILLS THAT IS IN THE
PAAKAGE, IS TO ADJUST TTE FACT

THERE WILL BE A CHANGE OF
OWNEESHIP.

FROM A PUBLICLY OWNED ENTITY, TO
A PRIVATELY OWNED.

>> WHY IS THE DIA NOT PART OF
THE GRAND BARGAIN?

AS THEY CAMM OUT PUBLICLY, AND
MADE THAT STATEMENT.%

>> THEY ARE PART OF THE PLAN OF
ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS THE

SETTLEMENT.
IF THERE'S A DRIVING DOCUMENT

THAT'S THE BAR DWAYNE.
IT IS THE PLAN OF ADJUSTMENT

THAT THE COURT WILL ULTIMATELY
BANG WITH A GAV VEAL INTO

EFFECT, IF EVERYBODY IS ONBOARD.
THEY ARE PART OF IT.

>> WHY HAVE THE D.I.A. BE PART
OF THII BILL?

OBVIOUSLY, THEY SAID THEYYWANT
TO PUT $100 MILLION OVER 2003

YEARS TOWARDS THIS PACKAGE
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO

BUT WHY HAVE THAT SPEEIFIC ISSUE
WHEN THE MILK ISN'T EVEN UP

UNSTILL 2022 WITHIN WHY NOT HAVE
THAT NOT BE PART OF THE PACKAGE

AND DEAL WITH THAT LATER ON, IF
THAT IS A TICKING POINT?

>> THERE'S TWO THINGS IN THE
QUESTION, WHY ARE THEY PART OF

THEY ARE GOING TO BRING
DIRECTLY, BUT THEY ARE

ATTRACTING OVER $3000MILLION
FROM VARIOUS FOUNDATIONS.

WE PARTICIPATE, AND HELP DETROIT
COME OUT OF BANKRUPTCY IF TTE

STATE OF MICHHGAN PARTIIIPATES,
IF ALL OF THE STAKE HOLDERS

AGREE TO THE PLAN, AND YOU LEAVE
IT ALONE.

>> ABSOLLTELY.
>> O THAT'S HOW THEY ARE

SECURING IT.
BUT PART OF THAT, IS A BUILT

THHT ALLOWED THEM TO COLLECT A%
MILLEDGE IF THE VOTERS AGREE, I

THINN THEY ARE ABOUT TWO YEARS
INTO A TEN YEAR PERIOD.

THE LEGISLATION WILL GIVE THEM A
SECOND TEN YEAR PERIOD.

WHAT WE ARE SAYIIG IS YOU ARE
MOVING INTO A PRIVATE STATUS.

YOU ARE NO LONGER PUBLICLY
OONED, FOR ME, AND SOME OF MY

THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS.

WE CAN LEAVING THE CURRENT
MILLEDGE IN PLACE.

>> WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH WITH
BINDING ARBITRATION WITH WITH

POLICE AND FIRE.
>> THAT CONTINUES ---OH, THE ONE

WITH ARTICULAR BILL.
THERE'S SO MANY ITEMS.

WITH WITH RESPEET TO THAT, THE
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS THAT

THE MUNICIIALITY WILL DEAL WITH
WITH, IS COLLECTIVE BARGAINS

AGREEMENTS AND FOR POLICE AND
FIRE, BIBBING ARBITRATION.

ALL WE ARE DOING -- THE FIRST
BILL WAS A BROAD OVERREACH.

I DID NOT INTEND THAT, DRAFTING
SOMETIMES GOES A LITTLE GOOFY,

YOU GET THE BILL, AND YOU HAVE
TO AMEND IT.

THE AMENDMENT TAILORS IT VERY
TIGHTLY.

>> SO YOU AREN'T THROWING OUT
BINDING ARBIIRATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I DIFFERRFROM MY OOIR

COLLEAGUES, I LIKE 312.
ú> WELL, YOU PASSED IT ON THE

BIPARTISAN BASIS.3
>> CORRECT..3

ú> THE SPEAKER HOLDS THAT UP -
>> CORRECT, II WAS WELL WITH

DONE.
THIS JUST SIMPLY SAYS IF THERE

IS BINDING ARBITRATION UNDERWAY,
AND THE CITY HAS TO FFLE

NUMBERS,,DOCUMENTATION, IF THE
COMMISSION BELIIVES THAT

COMMISSIONER WILL PROVIDE
OVERSITE THAT THERE'S SOME

INACCURACY, OR SOME ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SUBMIT
INFORMATION.

THE ARBITTATOR IS REQUIRED TO
CONSIDER IT, BUT NOT PRIORITIZE

IT, TTAT'S ALL THE BILL DOES.
>> ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES I THINK

IS THIS IDEA OF TAXPAYER MONEY
-úGOING TO DETROIT.

-úTHAT HAS BEEN THE NARRATIVE OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE

BILL.
EXPLAIN WHY IS THIS A GOOD DEAL

FOR TAXPAYERS IN.
>> I CAN EXPLAINNNIT A COUPLE OF

WAYS.
PUT ON MYYLEGAL HAT.

AS A LAWWER, THIS ISN'T A
SETTLEMENT, WE WITH HAVE MANY

MANN DISPUTES IN PLACE.
WHEN YOU CAN BRING RESOLUTION,

OR LIMIT WHAT CAN BE YOUR
POTENTIAL EXPOSURE, FOR WHAT

COULD BE 10 CENTS, 20 CENTS ON A
DOLLAR, AND YOU BRING

RESOLUTION, YOU ALLOW THE
CITIZEN TO OVE FORWARD, YOU END

THE LITIGATION, THERE ARE 18
CASES THAT WILL PEND AS A PART

OF THIS.
WE WILL SAVE $20 MILLION IN3

LEGAL FEES ALONE.3
JUST ON THAT, SO I THINK THERE'S

A LEGAL REASON TOODO IT.
IT BRINGS RESOLUTION, AND LETS

US MOVE FFRWARD.
FINANCIALLY, YOU ARE TAKING A

LOOK AT CITY THAT IS ON HOLD.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT A STATE THAT

IS ON HOLD.3
THE STATE DOOSN'T MAKE THAT3HIS,

INVESTMENT.
THE CUTS THAT WILL HAVE TO OCCUR

TO THE PPNSIONERS WILL BECOME SO
SEVERE TO END THE BANKRUPTCY,

THAT ON A CONSERVATIVE BASIS, IT
-úWILL COST THE STATE $270 MILLN

ALONE, IN SOCIAL SAFETY NET
COSTS.

>> SO -- SO THIS S A DEAL, JUST
ON THAT NUMBER ALONE, THAT IN

THE LEGAL COST, AND OTHER
POTENTIAL EXPENSES THE STATE

FACES I THINK THIS IS A WISE
THING TO DO.

>> FUR THE LAWMAKERS THAT ARE IN
SWING DISTRICTS WILL YOU GIVE

THEM A PASS?
>> WE ARE ASKING EVERYONE TO

VOTE THEIR CONSCIOUS.
WE HAVE HEARD ARGUMENTS AGAINST,

BUT WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO
STAND UP AND DO WHAT THEY THINK

IS RIGHT.
OF COURSE PEOPLL HAVE POLICY AND

POLITICAL CONCERNS TTEYYHAVE TO
TAKE THAT INTO ACCCUNT.

>> O YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A
MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN VOTES IN.

>> I DO EXPEET A MAJORITY OF
REPUBLICAN VOTES BUT WE NEED TO

DEMOCRATS TO GET HIS ACROSS.
SOME HAVE TRIED TOOMAKE THIS A

REPUBLICAN ISSUE, THIS IS A
GEOGRAPHIC ISSUE.

>> IT IS A GEOGRAPHIC.
>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND THERE ARE A LOT THAT
DON'T LIKEEDETROIT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT

REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, T IS
SOMEBODY SITTING IN A DISTRICT,

FAR FAR AWAY FROM HERE, SAYING
WHY AM I SENDING MY CITIZENS TAX

DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS.
SOOIT IS GOING TO BE A

COMBINATION OF PEOPLE FROM
GOING O BE A LOCK SOLID

REPUBLICAN OR A LOCK SOLID
DDMOCRATIC VOTE.

IF THE VOTE DOESN'T HAAPEN
TODAY, WHY WOULD THAT HAVE

HAPPENED?
>> I FELT PRETTY GOOD LAST

NIGHT, AND THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR
THE DEMOCRATS, BUT 12 HOURS HAVE

PASSED, AND I AM PRAYING EVERY
TEXT, AND PHONE CALL I GET THAT

SOMETHING HASN'T CHANGED.
WE WITH HAVE SOME MINOR

AMENDMENTS BUT NOTHING THAT
WOULD RACK ANYBODY.

THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE
IS IF SOMEBODY WENT ANDDDID A

TOWN HALL, AND THEY RECEIVED
SUCH NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, OR

CHANGE THE VOTE.HEY DECIDED TO
MIKE DUNN CAN RUNNING THE VOTE?

>> HE PORTRAYS A LOT OF
CONFIDENCE.

>> POST MIKE DUNN CAN IS THE
CONCERN, ISN'T IT?

>> IT IS PART OF THEECOOCERN.
WWEN YOU CAN LOOK AT A PERSON,

YOU CAN SHAKE THEIR HAND, YOU
CAN GET A SENSE OF THE PERSON

NARKS' OMFORTAALE.
OR DISCOMFORTING IF YOU HAVE A%

DIIFERENT TRACK RECORD.
THE OVERSIGHT WE WITH ARE TRYING

TO PROVIDE.
IN A REASONABLE FFSHION.

>> SOME SAY YOU GAVE AWAY TTE
FARM.

BASICALLY EVERYTHING HE WAATED.
YOU SHOWED ME IN THIS DOCUMENT

OF THE FOUR PAGES OF CONDITION
WHAT DD THEY GIVE AWAY.

WHAT DO THEY GIVE AWAA, WE WITH
IF YOU RECEIVE A VARIETY OF --

THE VERSITE BOARD GOES DORMANT,
THEY ARE STILL THERE, GEETING

REPORTS BUTTTHE CITY GOES ABOUT
ITS BUSINESS.

WE MADE SURE THE COUNCIL HAD
REPRESENTATION.

ON THE COMMISSIONN
IT CCANGES HOW THINGS ARE GOING

TO BE MEASURES OR RUN.
>> WHY DOES A GUY LEAD HIS

CHARGE?
>> WELL, IT'S -- IT IS CLOSE TO

MYYDISTRICT, FIRST AND FOREMOST.
I SPEND A LOT OF TIMM THERE AS A

CHILD.
WENT TO LAW SCHOOL THERE, SPENT

A LOT OF TIME OVER THE LAST SIX
MONTHS IN THE CITY.

IT IS A WONDERFUL CITY THAT CAN
HAVE A GREAT FUTURE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US TTAT
IT SUCCEEDS.

>> ISN'T 14 YEARS OF OVERSIGHT A
LITTLE PROBLEMATIC?

>> YOU CAN TAKE IT AS THAT, BUT
YOU CAN ALSO THINK IT AS A

REASONED DOZE OF APPROPRIATE
BEHAVIOR, WHEN YOU ARE ASKING

PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE TO MAKE3
AN INVESTMENT, IN A CITY THAT

THEY HAVE REASON TO BE NERVOUS
ABOUT.

50 YEARS OF NOT SO GOOD HISTORY,
SOME OF IT WAS CAUSEE BY

MISMANAGEMENT.3
YOU ARE TALLING TO SOMEBODY TO

SAY I CAN GGT BEHIND THIS, BUT
THEY DON'T WANT WITH TO JUST

GIVE THE MONEY.
SO THEY ARE TRYING TO PATTERN

SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAA NEW YORK
DID, HAVE PROPER OVERSSGHT,

WHILE ALLOWING THE CITY DO GO
ABOUT IT.

>> AFTER YOU GET OUT WHAT ARE
YOU GOING TO DO?

>> WHAT WILL I DO NEXT,LY GO
BACK TO MY LAW PRACTICE OR AC

DAME YEAH.
THAT SUMMERLY BE WORKING ON

THAT, BUT LIT BE ONE OF THOSE
TWO THINGS.

>> YOU DON'T WANT WITH TO RUN.
>> I AM GOOD.

[LAUGHTER]
>> THAT WAS WITH QUICK.

>> THIS WAS A COMMITMENT MY WIFE
AND I --

>> I HEAR MY IFE IN THE
BACKGROUNDD

>> WE BELIEVED THIS WAS SIX
YEAR COMMITMENT.

THERE WAS SOMETHING I FELT I
COULD DO, I HAD TO DO, I JUST

WANTED TO STAND UP, BUTS THISN'T
HOW I INTEND TO SPEND THE REST

OF MY LIFE,LY NEVER SAY NEVER --
>> ZOE, SUZY, EMILY, SSE YOU

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