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Welcome back.

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Representative

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Emily Dievendorf.

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A new House

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Democratic member is up next.

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And our lead story,

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the governor's council

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to grow the state population.

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They met,

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but what are they doing

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on the yacht?

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Our panel, Simon Schuster,

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Emily Lawler

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and Zoe Clark

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sit in with us

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as we get the inside out.

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And now

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this edition of Off the Record

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with Tim Skubick.

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Thank you very much.

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Welcome.

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Two off the record

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on this beautiful,

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ugly, pure Michigan morning.

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I think summer is over.

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October 13th.

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It's Friday the 13th.

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What are you going to do?

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We're going to go to

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say good night, folks.

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It is

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called the Growing

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Michigan Together

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Council,

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a group gathered together

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by the governor

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of the state of Michigan

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to figure out

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how we can get people

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to not only stay here,

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but come here.

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They had a meeting this week

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that had to do

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with recommendations,

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and the recommendations

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were not very specific.

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Emily, maybe.

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A little wishy-er and washy-er

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than you would have thought,

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but I don't think

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these are the final set

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of recommendations.

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Better

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not because recommendations.

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Sort of a peek

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into how the council's going

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and some of the things

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they're thinking about

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specifically around education.

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A lot of it is not exactly

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100% new to us.

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For example,

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they're sort of thinking about

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K-12 as like pre-K 14.

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That's something

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that we've heard before,

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certainly in terms

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of getting everyone

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at least a path through

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community college.

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That's obviously

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a stated goal of the governor,

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is that she's looking

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to increase

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educational attainment

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in the state.

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But I think we are kind

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of crying for details

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at this point.

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And this council

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is wrapping up in December.

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They are having like meetings

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and also talking

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to citizens across the state.

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I sat down with Hilary Doerr,

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who is the

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Michigan's first,

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and she will say the country's

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first chief growth

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officer last week.

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And this is all about this

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this executive director

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that the governor

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put together on

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Mackinac Island,

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which is all about

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Michigan's population.

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They have made

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decisions on recommendations

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but declined

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to let us know what they are.

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Yeah, I mean,

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when you look at the problems

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that they're trying to face,

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these are some of the largest,

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most systemic issues

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that the state

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has faced for decades.

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And so when you look at them

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trying to lay out a road map

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for what these solutions

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are going to be,

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when you see these

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initial recommendations

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is essentially

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we just need to solve

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these systemic problems

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and then everything

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will be all right.

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And so I think that

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it frustrates

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a lot of people

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that they're just seeing an

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ID of the problem

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and saying

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we just fix the problem

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rather than saying, here's

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how we fix the problem.

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The drill in our town

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is when we have a council

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like this,

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those nosy

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reporters start

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making phone calls

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to find out

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what they're working on.

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I made

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two phone calls the other day

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and was told in no uncertain

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terms,

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we're not talking to you.

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I said,

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What do you mean

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you're not talking to me?

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I've been instructed.

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We do not talk to the media

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when that's a gag order.

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Do I have a consensus on that?

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Apparently not.

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Maybe you just need

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better sources. Tim. Well.

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Wait.

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The story's not done.

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I did find some

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of the recommendations,

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which is

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$3 billion more for education.

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Why don't they want

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that number out?

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This is what

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Minority Leader

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Matt Hall really

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from the beginning,

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I mean, I remember talking

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to him on Mackinaw Island,

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I think it was even

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before the governor

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made the speech

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about the Population Council

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and he was

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this is

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going to be a tax increase.

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And I mean, really,

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this is what he

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has been pushing

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since the beginning.

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But to Simon's point,

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I mean, intractable

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problems aren't

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if they were that easy to fix

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and didn't take any money,

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I would certainly

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have hoped that Michigan

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would have fixed that.

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Spend 3 billion

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additional dollars on education

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without talking

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about a tax increase.

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Now, you could close loopholes.

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There's other ways.

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But Mr..

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The chair person says

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tax increase

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is not in my lexicon.

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That's

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because he doesn't

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have a lexicon

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when it comes to tax increases.

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Is the Republican co-chair.

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Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, that's the beauty

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of this council, right?

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I think if you look

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at the biggest setback

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from Governor

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Whitmer's first term,

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it was proposing a gas

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tax increase that sort of died.

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It never happened.

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And the council is great

04:16.766 --> 04:18.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
because they can propose

04:18.100 --> 04:19.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
for Governor Whitmer

04:19.000 --> 04:19.566 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
that taxes

04:19.566 --> 04:20.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
have to be increased,

04:20.333 --> 04:21.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that revenue has to be raised,

04:21.633 --> 04:22.200 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
which is something

04:22.200 --> 04:22.633 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
you haven't heard

04:22.633 --> 04:22.833 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
from the

04:23.300 --> 04:24.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
Democratic legislature,

04:24.066 --> 04:24.766 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
but neither

04:24.766 --> 04:26.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
neither the governor nor

04:26.100 --> 04:27.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
the legislature has to do it

04:27.300 --> 04:27.600 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50%
well.

04:28.033 --> 04:28.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
And at yesterday's meeting,

04:28.700 --> 04:29.700 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
they told reporters

04:29.700 --> 04:31.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
they couldn't come in the room.

04:31.133 --> 04:32.066 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
Yeah, it's like

04:32.066 --> 04:33.266 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
trying to get in the room

04:33.266 --> 04:33.866 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
and that

04:33.866 --> 04:34.500 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
doesn't look like

04:34.500 --> 04:35.200 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
it worked out.

04:35.200 --> 04:35.566 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
This is a.

04:35.900 --> 04:38.000 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
Council with an attitude.

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You know,

04:38.633 --> 04:39.433 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
they certainly have

04:39.433 --> 04:40.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
a closed door attitude.

04:40.500 --> 04:42.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
We'll give them that figure.

04:42.500 --> 04:43.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
Closed door meetings.

04:43.433 --> 04:44.033 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
There really hasn't

04:44.033 --> 04:44.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
been a lot of insight

04:44.866 --> 04:46.333 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
into their process,

04:46.333 --> 04:47.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
but they are coming out

04:47.233 --> 04:47.800 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
with this set

04:47.800 --> 04:48.800 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
of recommendations

04:48.800 --> 04:49.233 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
that I guess

04:49.466 --> 04:50.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
we'll learn more about.

04:50.233 --> 04:51.033 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
They're supposed to

04:51.033 --> 04:53.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
have them out by December 1st,

04:53.733 --> 04:54.933 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
so we'll find out

04:54.933 --> 04:55.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
more in terms

04:55.633 --> 04:57.000 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
of as you're talking about,

04:57.000 --> 04:58.200 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
not just, you know,

04:58.200 --> 04:59.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
saying what the problems are,

04:59.633 --> 05:01.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
but what the fixes are.

05:01.200 --> 05:02.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
Do you want to say that?

05:02.066 --> 05:03.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
It's a really short timeline?

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I think people have said

05:04.500 --> 05:05.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
that from the beginning.

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You know,

05:06.600 --> 05:07.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
the Mackinac Policy conference

05:07.500 --> 05:08.333 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
where this was announced

05:08.333 --> 05:09.966 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
as in May,

05:09.966 --> 05:10.400 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
you know,

05:10.633 --> 05:11.433 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
at the time it was said

05:11.433 --> 05:12.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
this would be wrapped up

05:12.233 --> 05:12.833 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
by December.

05:12.833 --> 05:14.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
That is a heavy lift.

05:14.100 --> 05:15.500 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
The appointments took

05:15.500 --> 05:16.300 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
several months,

05:16.300 --> 05:17.500 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
I think, to

05:17.500 --> 05:19.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
fully populate this council.

05:19.966 --> 05:21.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
And it just seems like I

05:21.033 --> 05:21.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
think a lot of people

05:21.833 --> 05:22.566 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
have questioned

05:22.566 --> 05:23.466 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
what kind of work

05:23.466 --> 05:23.733 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
they're going

05:24.233 --> 05:25.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
to get done on that time frame

05:25.133 --> 05:26.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
and whether we'll really see

05:26.200 --> 05:26.800 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
sort of like

05:26.800 --> 05:27.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
the substantive goals

05:27.800 --> 05:28.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
or like we said,

05:28.900 --> 05:30.633 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
maybe just the

05:30.633 --> 05:31.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
sort of outlining

05:31.533 --> 05:32.100 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
some of these

05:32.100 --> 05:33.033 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
intractable issues

05:33.033 --> 05:33.466 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
that are

05:33.733 --> 05:34.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
still very hard to solve.

05:34.500 --> 05:34.700 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
Right.

05:35.233 --> 05:35.433 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
I'm almost trying to think,

05:35.833 --> 05:35.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
are we going to see

05:36.533 --> 05:37.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
like a michigan Population

05:37.100 --> 05:38.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
Council 2.0 right.

05:38.233 --> 05:39.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
So you do the recommendations

05:39.566 --> 05:40.433 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
and then it's like, okay,

05:40.433 --> 05:41.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
but how do you actually

05:41.500 --> 05:42.233 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
do the fix?

05:42.233 --> 05:43.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
What does that implementation

05:43.533 --> 05:44.400 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
actually look like

05:44.400 --> 05:45.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
when as we know,

05:45.533 --> 05:45.933 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
you know,

05:46.333 --> 05:47.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
last year we were talking about

05:47.266 --> 05:48.333 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
just how much

05:48.333 --> 05:49.400 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
surplus money

05:49.400 --> 05:51.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
there was in the budget.

05:51.066 --> 05:52.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
Now it's looking like there is

05:52.100 --> 05:53.033 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
It could be so much,

05:53.033 --> 05:54.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
you know, billions of dollars

05:54.266 --> 05:55.000 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
to spend.

05:55.000 --> 05:56.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
What almost sort of wonders

05:56.033 --> 05:57.233 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
had this aligned,

05:57.233 --> 05:57.466 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
you know,

05:57.933 --> 05:58.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
you can't go back and fix,

05:58.933 --> 05:59.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
you know, timelines,

05:59.866 --> 06:01.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
but had something, you know,

06:01.300 --> 06:02.000 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
aligned

06:02.000 --> 06:02.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
with these recommendations

06:02.933 --> 06:04.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
when there was still billion

06:04.466 --> 06:05.633 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
dollar surplus,

06:05.633 --> 06:06.500 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
what that could have

06:06.500 --> 06:07.166 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
looked like

06:07.166 --> 06:08.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
and really kind of like

06:08.066 --> 06:09.400 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
institutional changes.

06:09.400 --> 06:09.933 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
To be fair

06:09.933 --> 06:10.533 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
here, look at

06:10.733 --> 06:11.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
I understand that commissioners

06:11.833 --> 06:12.500 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
want to keep stuff

06:12.500 --> 06:13.900 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
secret until it's soup.

06:13.900 --> 06:14.966 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
Okay. I understand that.

06:14.966 --> 06:16.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
But could not an argument

06:16.500 --> 06:17.366 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
be made

06:17.366 --> 06:18.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
by putting some of the

06:18.300 --> 06:19.000 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
stuff out there?

06:19.000 --> 06:20.633 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
You get more public input

06:20.633 --> 06:21.500 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
and you might be able

06:21.500 --> 06:23.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
to add more flavor to the soup

06:23.033 --> 06:24.933 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
that people will drink.

06:24.933 --> 06:26.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
I just make that point.

06:26.166 --> 06:26.400 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
All right.

06:26.866 --> 06:27.433 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
The Democrats in the House

06:27.433 --> 06:28.100 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
continue

06:28.100 --> 06:29.300 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
to have voting problems.

06:29.300 --> 06:30.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
What are they, Simon?

06:30.433 --> 06:31.133 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
Yeah, I mean,

06:31.133 --> 06:31.900 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
I think this also ties in

06:31.900 --> 06:32.800 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
in the Population Council

06:32.800 --> 06:33.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
because we look at part

06:33.766 --> 06:34.466 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
one of this year

06:34.466 --> 06:35.500 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
for the legislature,

06:35.500 --> 06:36.466 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
it was about hitting on

06:36.466 --> 06:38.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
do on so much of the Keystone

06:38.133 --> 06:39.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
accomplishments that you saw

06:39.433 --> 06:40.233 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
during Rick Snyder's

06:40.233 --> 06:40.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
administration

06:40.933 --> 06:41.700 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
during a Republican

06:41.700 --> 06:43.133 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
controlled legislature

06:43.133 --> 06:44.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
and the Population Council.

06:44.600 --> 06:46.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
Like this legislative agenda

06:46.100 --> 06:47.266 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
is sort of the second part

06:47.266 --> 06:47.700 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
where they see

06:48.066 --> 06:49.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
what policy do we want to craft

06:49.233 --> 06:50.000 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
that's new?

06:50.000 --> 06:51.133 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
That isn't just a reversal

06:51.133 --> 06:52.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
of what we've seen in the past.

06:52.400 --> 06:53.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
And this is where I think

06:53.600 --> 06:54.266 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
they're struggling

06:54.266 --> 06:55.366 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
more with caucus unity,

06:55.366 --> 06:56.000 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
getting the votes

06:56.000 --> 06:56.833 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
that they need together

06:56.833 --> 06:57.800 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
to get this this.

06:57.800 --> 06:59.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
Abortion issue is one of them.

06:59.233 --> 07:00.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
They want to make some changes.

07:00.466 --> 07:01.400 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
They don't have the votes

07:01.400 --> 07:02.000 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
to do that.

07:02.000 --> 07:03.233 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
The Mike Duncan tax,

07:03.233 --> 07:04.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
which looks to be on life

07:04.833 --> 07:06.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
support in the House,

07:06.166 --> 07:07.333 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
they can't get the votes.

07:07.333 --> 07:07.633 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
I mean,

07:08.066 --> 07:09.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
it was put up on the board.

07:09.400 --> 07:10.700 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
I mean, like

07:10.700 --> 07:11.533 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
not just like

07:11.533 --> 07:12.300 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
they can't like,

07:12.300 --> 07:12.466 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
you know,

07:13.000 --> 07:13.733 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
talking about it was then

07:13.733 --> 07:15.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
put up on the board and they.

07:15.533 --> 07:15.833 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
Didn't

07:16.233 --> 07:16.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
if you don't have the votes,

07:16.833 --> 07:17.400 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
you don't turn

07:17.400 --> 07:18.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
the green lights on.

07:18.200 --> 07:19.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
That that tends to be the rule.

07:19.800 --> 07:21.366 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
I mean, it is rare, right,

07:21.366 --> 07:22.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
Because of course,

07:22.466 --> 07:23.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
when you are in the majority,

07:23.766 --> 07:24.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
you get to say, you know,

07:24.600 --> 07:25.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
this is what we're voting on

07:25.633 --> 07:25.900 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
right now.

07:26.233 --> 07:26.666 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
It's pretty darn rare

07:26.900 --> 07:28.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
unless you want to make

07:28.300 --> 07:29.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
sort of the other side

07:29.700 --> 07:30.433 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
take a really,

07:30.433 --> 07:31.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
really difficult vote.

07:31.666 --> 07:34.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
But even then, it's very rare

07:34.433 --> 07:35.333 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
to see that happen.

07:35.333 --> 07:35.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
I think it's

07:36.033 --> 07:36.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
an example of intra caucus

07:36.800 --> 07:38.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
pressure here because it shows

07:38.333 --> 07:38.766 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
I mean,

07:39.033 --> 07:40.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
I think if my memory serves,

07:40.066 --> 07:40.933 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
the majority floor

07:40.933 --> 07:41.533 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
leader in self

07:41.533 --> 07:42.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
and was also his name

07:42.866 --> 07:43.300 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
stayed white

07:43.566 --> 07:44.300 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
during that vote as well.

07:44.300 --> 07:45.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
So I think this shows that up

07:45.700 --> 07:46.033 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
and down

07:46.366 --> 07:47.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
the ranks of leadership

07:47.200 --> 07:47.933 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
that while

07:47.933 --> 07:48.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
there's a lot of support

07:48.766 --> 07:49.666 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
perhaps in Detroit

07:49.666 --> 07:50.866 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
for this measure,

07:50.866 --> 07:51.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
it's not going to necessarily

07:51.900 --> 07:52.566 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
extend outside

07:52.566 --> 07:53.266 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
the bounds of the city.

07:53.266 --> 07:54.066 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
I do think that

07:54.066 --> 07:55.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
what's potentially embarrassing

07:55.133 --> 07:56.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
about putting up a vote

07:56.233 --> 07:56.866 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
and having it

07:56.866 --> 07:57.500 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
flop is

07:57.500 --> 07:59.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
being surprised by that.

07:59.366 --> 08:00.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
I don't think that Speaker Tate

08:00.733 --> 08:02.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
was surprised by the result.

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I think it's. Something we saw.

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I mean, this is this story's

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been going on

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for a couple of weeks

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that they can't get the

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in a row. Yeah.

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And what be really interesting

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to watch is,

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you know folks who who who know

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the politics

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and how Mike Duggan uses

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levers of power.

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You know, he's saying,

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I'm going to go back

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and we're going to try

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this again.

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It's going to be fascinating

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to see what those levers are

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that he starts.

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Especially for somebody

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who would like to be governor,

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who would then be pulling

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those levers, is.

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Absolutely talk about

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a, you know,

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Mike Duggan looking

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looking ahead.

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I don't have two

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sources that

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I'm putting out

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on the table right now.

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I'll sure you know.

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But no,

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I mean, that's it's

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another really interesting

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dynamic, too.

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And when you have,

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you know, for the first time,

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a Democratic speaker

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of the House

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from Detroit in decades

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going along

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with a Democratic mayor

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and working in tandem

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on this, it's

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fascinating to watch this

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this soup.

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I think this shows the limits

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of the geographic shift

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that we've seen in

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legislative leadership.

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I mean,

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you saw that for the

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the majority of the time

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that Republicans

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were in charge.

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These were representatives

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and senators from rural areas.

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And now for the

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you know, for the first time,

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as you said,

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we have a leader of

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the House is from Detroit,

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leader of the Senate.

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He's from Grand Rapids.

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But it also shows

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us that the shift from an,

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you know, urban

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representation

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or representation towards

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urban representation

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is not necessarily

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a carte blanche

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rewriting of state policy.

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Well,

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if you don't have enough

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votes, it's

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tough to be a leader.

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But maybe that's

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where the leadership really is.

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When you can't get the votes

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that you do get the votes.

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Well, and then

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figuring out, okay,

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I mean,

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if it's not just

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within your caucus,

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I mean, let's remember, too,

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there were Republicans

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who were voting on the board

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for this legislation.

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And so, again, it's it's

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not just figuring out

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what your caucus wants.

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It's talking

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to, you know,

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the minority leader

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and figuring out what it is

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that they want as well.

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Well, on

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the abortion

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issue, one person in the House

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Democratic caucus is holding

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this one up. Emily. Right.

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Representative Whitsett

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from Detroit

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actually told

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Clara, my colleague

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this week

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that she had voted

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for proposal three.

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A lot of people are

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sort of envisioning

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the current package

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before the legislature

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as a continuation of Proposal

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three or sort of a validation

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of what voters expressed,

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which is that

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they wanted abortion to be

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legal in the state of Michigan.

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And this would sort of remove

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a lot of the

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logistical barriers

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to getting an abortion.

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But, you know, representative,

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which I just isn't convinced

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that a voter

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is meant to go

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that far necessarily.

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Just one footnote

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on the Mike Duggan thing.

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The good news is

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he doesn't run

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for governor until 2026.

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So this will be old news,

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maybe

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unless they're still

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trying to get it in 2026.

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Was calling our guest today.

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Representative, welcome

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back to Off the Record.

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It's been a while.

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Nice to have you on board. Yes.

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I feel like I was a kid

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last time. There you go.

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So when the

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speaker of the House

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put out his list of

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what should be done

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in the fall session,

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your first thoughts were

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some of the stuff I want to do.

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Not on the list.

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What did you think?

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I recognized the value

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of prioritizing

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really drilling down

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on a few things that we feel

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we absolutely need to do

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before the end of the year.

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And I also know

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that we can get more done

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while we're working on key

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pieces, key priorities,

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and have broader appeal

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to those folks

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that we're here to serve.

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But broader appeal

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because we need to answer

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the policy questions

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and challenges that address

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our most basic needs.

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The speaker ignored

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the is a progressive wing

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and what label do you like

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on the ones of you

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that are on a different page?

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Well, I think that depends,

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because I think we're starting

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to try to use progressive

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like it's

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a bad word

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or like it's unreasonable

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or unrealistic substitute.

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You know, I.

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Some would say it's guided.

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And I would say that

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I would contend

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that is very wrong.

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We have not

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a lot of very strategic forward

12:14.633 --> 12:16.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
thinking legislators

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that would like to respond

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to the will

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of their constituents

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and also model

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better governance,

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good governance.

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Representative,

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can you explain

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a little bit about

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I don't know

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that I want to use

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the word disconnect.

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Maybe you want to like

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and I understand

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you don't

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want to talk about things

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that happened in caucus,

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but help me understand

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how the conversations

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are happening

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and how the agenda

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is being determined

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and are the progressive wing

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or however

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feeling left out of that?

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Are you not having enough?

12:44.766 --> 12:45.500 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
Is not enough

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being asked of you guys like,

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how is it working

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that the agenda is

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putting out in this way? Yeah.

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So I'll start by saying

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we have a group

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of more progressive legislators

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and even moderate Dems

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that came in

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with a new philosophy

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after this last election

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when we were knocking doors.

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Our constituent

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constituencies can

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consistently said,

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if you are

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not going to be there

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to represent our needs

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and priorities

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at the most basic level,

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then it's

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not just that we are voting

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for the other person

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next time, it's

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that we're not voting

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next time

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because we are losing

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faith in democracy.

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We are losing faith

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in governance, in politics,

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in the way the system works.

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So a number of us came back

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committing to

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we are going to

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fight more directly

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for what you are

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saying that you want

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and also asking

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for a more

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participatory democracy.

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So from the beginning,

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so many in our caucus

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have been trying to

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facilitate and

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and encourage

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more discussion within caucus,

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allow for more doesn't

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come in with the attitude of

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we are here to do

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more and better.

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That doesn't mean

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we can't do it strategically.

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That doesn't mean

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we can't make sure

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that we're doing

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the public education

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and building the momentum

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that will ensure

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that we can sustain

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the change that we are making.

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But we also

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need to be transparent

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and ethical

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and more collaborative

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than we've ever been

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in Michigan politics

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at this moment.

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When you talk of

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sort of meeting

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those basic needs and,

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you know,

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sort of getting to the bottom

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of the grassroots

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politics, I guess,

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are there things

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that the legislature

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has accomplished

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in the first ten months

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of this year

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that have have gotten

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that thought and like,

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what more do you still think

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needs to be done?

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Yeah, And to Tim's point

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and and Zoey,

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part of the reason that we do

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even need

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to come back

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and reprioritize is

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because we have

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been so productive

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so far this year.

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We came in

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and we checked the boxes

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of a number of the issues

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that have been

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just kind of

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hanging there, waiting

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for really urgent attention

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like increasing

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and ensuring ATC,

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the repeal

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of the retirement tax.

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Right.

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Eliminating right to work.

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We've done some huge things.

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And also

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these are the priorities

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that we've checked off already

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that have been sitting around

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for a long time

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and not necessarily

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where the most current

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urgent demands are

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from our constituencies.

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So in re-envisioning

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and reprioritizing

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for the rest of the year,

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a lot of us really feel like,

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yeah, absolutely,

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we should continue

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to do all of those

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things that clean house,

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that bring back order and we

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should also be

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introducing policy

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that reflects the interests

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and priorities

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of people right now.

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When did those conversations

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about reprioritizing

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or thinking about the fall

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session happen?

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When did that begin?

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So we had been

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having these conversations

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throughout the summer.

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We knew

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we were going to have to

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come back shortly

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before the fall and

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and come together as a caucus

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with our

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with at least a few set goals.

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I think that for many of us,

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we consider these goals

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to be

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overarching categories

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of priority

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as opposed to

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just a few specific

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policy projects.

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Have to list

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before the speaker.

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Well, I shared a list

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that was published

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and honestly,

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it was a honest assessment

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and clear assessment

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of where

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a lot of our bills

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stand that are ready,

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that we know

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we have public support for,

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and that we just

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aren't seeing movement on

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when we have time

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to spend on

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another policy when.

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Some go ahead.

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Do you

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view your responsibility

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as a legislature

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and a

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representative of

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your constituents?

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Do you view that responsibility

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to enact those priorities,

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even if it means

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just a one term

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Democratic trifecta

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in the legislature?

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Or do you think it's

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more important

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to maintain that trifecta,

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even if it means

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sort of moving those policy

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or those priorities

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a little bit

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further down the line? Yeah.

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So this is a yes and. Right.

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Because that's the age

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old question

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about the philosophy of what

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the role of a legislature are.

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And I came in wanting

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to represent my district

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in a way that modeled

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a though

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a true representative democracy

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that ensures the people

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most impacted by by

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the solutions

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are creating the solutions

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not just at the table,

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not just submitting input.

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But I'm not the only one

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I came in with with teachers.

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I came in with labor

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organizers.

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You know,

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I came in with psychologists,

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a number of folks

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who are used to doing

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direct service

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and know that

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we find the wisdom

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to come up with the solutions

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outside of ourselves.

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But the reality is you

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folks have been told

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in no uncertain terms

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that if they move on

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some of the stuff

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that you want,

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you could cost

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the D's control of the House.

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Have you heard that?

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I of course,

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I have absolutely heard that.

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I also have said.

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Do you agree with it?

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No, because I've been

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in politics

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longer than just

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about everybody

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in in my caucus.

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If you have people

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in swing districts

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that you force to vote yea

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or nay on something,

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it could cost them them seat.

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You agree with that?

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Unless we do our due

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diligence policymaking.

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What's that?

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Well,

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I mean, it's something I love,

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but it is as much

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a part of the political process

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as actually pushing the button.

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Right

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as I'm working on

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housing legislation,

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I knew that I was going

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to need to take the summer

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in district period

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to not just check in

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with my constituency,

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but to also do

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the public education

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to ensure that people knew

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what the state of the housing

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crisis is right now,

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what the best practices

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and proposed

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solutions are throughout

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the country,

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what's happening

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in other states.

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And to create that engagement,

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they would also increase

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the demand for our legislators.

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So our legislators

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across the state knew

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they had support

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to pass the policies.

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I knew that we needed

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policy making has to do with

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not just that button,

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but also ensuring

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that you have already created

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the narrative draft,

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drafted the accurate

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and true

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and transparent narrative

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that will reflect

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where people are

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and the most

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effective solutions

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that we will need.

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The caucus has shown.

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And then

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we hold on to our majority.

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Frankly, when we do

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what the people ask.

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But we do it in a smart,

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strategic way

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that will retain those changes

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because people understand

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why they're happening.

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We retain our majority

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because we're senior.

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Members of the caucus

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tell you that

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that's not going to work.

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You don't agree?

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Absolutely, because I

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because I've done it

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and because I'm somebody

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who has had

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to make policy change

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under complete

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Republican control

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because I'm

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one of those swing districts.

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I'm not in a swing district,

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but I'm also not Ann Arbor.

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And yet

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my policies as progressive

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as they are,

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reflect exactly

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what my community

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is asking for every day.

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So and to me,

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these are very basic things.

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As much as somebody

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might want to call me

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a hippie or whatever,

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I don't know

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what all the words are

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that are used about me

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at this point. Right?

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We have to remember,

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and my background

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is partially in extremism.

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We have to remember that

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as things

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get more extreme over here,

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it doesn't make the person

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that is right here so extreme.

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It doesn't make the person

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who is right here

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that much more unreasonable

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because it gets more stream

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and extreme over here.

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But the way we define it

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within our understanding shifts

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as we start

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to see people acting out

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on either end.

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Progressives aren't

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not reasonable or

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or not moderate progressives

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at the very core.

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Root to get back to

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your definition,

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are folks

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who are trying to address

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the daily struggle,

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but in a way

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that also gets to the root

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of the systemic disparity

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so that as we're

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addressing the daily struggle,

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we are not perpetuating.

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You're describing right now

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is Overton Window, right?

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This idea of like

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what becomes normal

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and what doesn't.

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But but in many respects,

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I think what we're

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talking about

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is this idea

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that that, you know,

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for the first time,

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Democrats are in power

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for 40 years

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and what are you willing

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to give up?

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These

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I mean,

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I get what you're saying,

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that it's like, no,

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if we push hard enough

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and explain our message,

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but we just know

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there are people

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that just aren't

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going to believe

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in that policy.

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And I mean, that's

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that's the basics

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of governing and fundamental.

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So I guess I'm curious

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from your perspective,

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can you understand

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where some of the other

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Democrats are

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and where Speaker

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Tate is coming from

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and where

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their concern lies in terms

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of not wanting

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to push too hard?

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Do you understand that

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sort of point of view? Yes.

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We still have to

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prioritize policies.

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We still have to figure out

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what is actually feasible.

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I'm just arguing that

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some of the things

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that are being

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are being considered are talked

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about

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as if they aren't feasible.

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We do have public support for

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and we could be creating the

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circumstances for success.

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Do we have to

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make sure that our

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our more

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fragile districts are supported

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and that we're doing extra work

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to make sure

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that people understand

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why we're doing the focusing

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on the policies that we are?

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Absolutely.

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And also,

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I would argue that

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even in our rural areas,

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even in our swing district

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districts, the mentality

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and the priorities

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have shifted.

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And my district

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has changed, too.

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While the density

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of the population

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is within Lansing,

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most of the land

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geography is in

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the rural areas,

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and I'm one of

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our few legislators

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that are

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driving out to my rural area

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regularly to check in

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with a rural community

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that is small enough

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to not get revenue sharing,

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but is

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is possibly

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one of the sites

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of of a future huge

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development project right

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in Eagle Township.

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And our constituencies,

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regardless of party,

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they want to be heard.

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They want to see that

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we're transparent and ethical.

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They want to see that

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we care about them

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and and that honestly,

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in my conversations,

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regardless of where you are on

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the spectrum,

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is making a difference.

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One of the most ambitious,

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I think, policies,

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because you referred

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to the circumstances

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for success

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in some of the most

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ambitious policies

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that we've heard

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proposed by progressives

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in this legislature

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necessitate

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the raising of revenue

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by state government.

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Does this mean that, you know,

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people are going to push

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for tax increases

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because the last time

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Democrats had a trifecta,

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you know,

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there was a tax increase

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and then

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legislators were recalled

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and they lost that trifecta.

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Yeah, well,

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I think that any responsible

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legislator also needs to

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be able

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to fund any project

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that we put out

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there, out on the table.

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And when we suggest

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that increasing revenue

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is not something

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that would be

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positive or necessary.

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That's a conversation we've

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been avoiding

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because we aren't talking about

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the realism

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of what is government.

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So I personally am fine

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with exploring creative ways

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to increase revenue,

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but there are a number of ways

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we can do that

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so that we aren't

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putting the burden on the folks

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who are struggling the most.

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Does that mean

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you think we should be changing

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our income tax bracket?

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Given Michigan's

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flat income tax,

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We should be changing

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the gradation of that.

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I think that we should be open

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to having conversations

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about so many different things.

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I'm not going to make

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a recommendation

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for any particular way

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to raise revenue at this point,

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but I do think that it is not

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a dirty, ugly conversation.

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If it's not a dirty

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ongoing conversation.

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Let's talk about it.

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Yeah, Well,

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I would say

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Brooks has raised

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several times

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publicly and privately,

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looking at graduated

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income taxes,

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but looking at who is

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who is

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making the most money,

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benefiting from

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from different programs

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where the the burden is

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and whether we are burdening

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the folks that are struggling

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the most is necessary

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for figuring out

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where we find our funding.

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As you're

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looking at

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progressive priorities,

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like what did you self-edit off

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the list?

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Like,

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what's something that you said?

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You know,

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this is a policy

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that I believe in

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that would be really great,

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but this is the third rail

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for right now.

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Okay.

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So instantly,

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there are

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some things come to mind.

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I don't know that

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I would put that on the table,

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but but absolutely,

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I as as a progressive

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but also somebody who has done

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lobbying and and

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and been a legislative staffer,

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there are policies

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that are just going to

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sit in a folder

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while I have

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conversations over,

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I don't know, 2 to 12 years.

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And one has to do with how we

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manage and regulate sex work.

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Am I introducing

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any legislation

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about sex work right

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the second.

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No, no, not at all.

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Is it

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is it

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because it doesn't matter.

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It's not an area of policy

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that could make people safer,

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you know, all of these

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different things.

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But I also acknowledge

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that it will take

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the due diligence

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to make sure

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that people really understand

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its contrast to other issues,

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why it's necessary,

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and that it's going to produce

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a knee jerk response

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in people who don't understand.

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This.

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Overton Window

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that you'd like to shift.

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What's your top priority?

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Honestly, it

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it really comes down

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to are most essential.

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So housing, I'm

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leaving on all of the

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housing legislation in the

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in the legislature

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and while I have a bill

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which is the homeless

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bill of Rights

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to decriminalize homelessness

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and that sounds like

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an ambitious bill

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and I have that in order

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to set the foundation

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for how we are

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treating our

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unhoused neighbors,

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because I acknowledge

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that we're in

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a housing shortage

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and we need to be building

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more affordable

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and middle income housing.

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And that doesn't

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we don't see the

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results of that.

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Very quickly, before we close,

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have you folks

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talked about that

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you do have leverage.

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You can take all of your votes

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and go to the speaker

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and say if we don't get this,

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you don't get our votes.

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Have you tried that

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yet or will you? Yes or no?

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So I tell everybody

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no where your power is nowhere.

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Your power is no

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when to use it.

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And you don't have to do that

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in a man manipulative way.

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Absolutely.

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A 56 person

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majority means

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that we need every vote.

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And we and I firmly believe

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we don't have to negotiate away

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our values

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in order to get that result.

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But yes, absolutely.

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I think that people

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should occasionally

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hold their votes

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to make sure

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that we are creating

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