WEBVTT 00:08.440 --> 00:09.073 STARTS RIGHT NOW. 00:09.108 --> 00:10.876 >> THIS IS SPECIAL PRIMARY 00:10.910 --> 00:11.977 EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH 00:12.011 --> 00:13.077 THE THREE REPUBLICANS RUNNING 00:13.112 --> 00:15.480 FOR THE U.S. SENATE NOMINATION. 00:15.515 --> 00:17.148 PETE HOEKSTRA IS HERE. 00:17.182 --> 00:19.551 ALONG WITH RANDALL HEKMAN AND 00:19.585 --> 00:20.318 CLASHING DURANT. 00:20.352 --> 00:22.086 NO RULES EXCHANGE COMING UPRIGHT 00:22.121 --> 00:26.825 NOW ON, "OFF THE RECORD." 00:38.370 --> 00:43.942 ¶ 01:34.125 --> 01:37.227 WELCOME DO THIS SPECIAL EDITION. 01:37.261 --> 01:38.896 NO RULES DEBATE. 01:38.930 --> 01:42.466 LET'S BEGIN WITH YOU MR. DURANT. 01:42.500 --> 01:45.402 LET'S SAY YOU ARE U.S. SENATE 01:45.436 --> 01:48.138 AND THERE ARE DOLLARS ALLOCATE 01:48.172 --> 01:49.172 AGO BRIDGE? 01:49.207 --> 01:51.809 >>LY VOTE NO BECAUSE THE 01:51.843 --> 01:55.479 TAXPAYERS ARE OVERBURDENED BY 01:55.513 --> 01:56.146 WASHINGTON'S POLICIES OF 01:56.180 --> 01:57.014 SPENDING AND DEBT. 01:57.048 --> 01:59.382 IN POINT OF FACT IF A BRIDGE IS 01:59.417 --> 02:02.318 WORTH IT, IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE 02:02.352 --> 02:03.552 ALL THE TRAFFIC AND TRADE THAT 02:03.587 --> 02:05.655 SHOULD COME TO MICHIGAN, PRIVATE 02:05.689 --> 02:07.090 INVESTORS SHOULD FUND THAT 02:07.124 --> 02:07.690 BRIDGE. 02:07.725 --> 02:09.692 JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE 02:09.727 --> 02:13.129 KEYSTONE PIPELINE PINE THEY PUT 02:13.163 --> 02:14.731 UP $7 BILLION OF PRIVATE MONEY. 02:14.765 --> 02:16.565 THERE IS PRIVATE MONEY FOR THE 02:16.600 --> 02:18.134 BRIDGE AND IT WILL MAKE MONEY 02:18.168 --> 02:20.637 BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED 02:20.671 --> 02:20.870 TRAFFIC. 02:20.904 --> 02:22.471 >> Tim: SO WHEN THE GOVERNOR 02:22.506 --> 02:24.306 SAYS IT WILL CREATE JOBS YOU 02:24.341 --> 02:26.075 SIMPLY DON'T BELIEVE IT? 02:26.110 --> 02:27.576 >> I BELIEVE JOBS WILL BE 02:27.611 --> 02:29.145 CREATED BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED 02:29.179 --> 02:29.912 TRADE THAT IS POSSIBLE. 02:29.947 --> 02:31.413 >> Tim: THAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED 02:31.448 --> 02:31.580 YOU. 02:31.615 --> 02:35.284 >> I BELIEVE THAT JOBS WILL BE 02:35.318 --> 02:36.719 CREATED WE GET INCREASED TRADE 02:36.754 --> 02:39.756 AND PRIVATE BUSINESS SHOULD BE 02:39.790 --> 02:40.456 INVESTING IN THAT. 02:40.490 --> 02:41.824 >> I WOULD VOTE THE SAME WAY. 02:41.859 --> 02:43.660 I WOULD VOTE NO. 02:43.694 --> 02:45.294 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS BEYOND 02:45.328 --> 02:45.494 BROKE. 02:45.529 --> 02:47.096 THERE IS A BIG ISSUE BEFORE OUR 02:47.131 --> 02:47.864 COUNTRY TODAY. 02:47.898 --> 02:50.299 THE HOUSE THAT IS ON FIREFIGHTER 02:50.333 --> 02:51.734 IS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDING 02:51.769 --> 02:53.636 FAR MORE THAN THEY TAKE IN. 02:53.671 --> 02:55.471 >> Tim: SO THE GOVERNOR IS WRONG 02:55.505 --> 02:56.172 TO PROPOSE THIS? 02:56.206 --> 02:59.676 >> SHE WRONG TO SAY THAT FEDERAL 02:59.710 --> 03:01.209 GOVERNMENT SHUCK PAYING FOR IT. 03:01.243 --> 03:02.577 PRIVATE MONEY IS AVAILABLE. 03:02.611 --> 03:04.146 >> MR. HOEKSTRA? 03:04.180 --> 03:05.781 >> I WOULDN'T VOTE. 03:05.815 --> 03:09.017 THE VOTE WOULD HAVE EVER BEEN 03:09.052 --> 03:11.219 PROPOSED WE WOULD HAVE CHANGED 03:11.253 --> 03:13.088 FEDERAL POLICY AND SAID THAT GAS 03:13.122 --> 03:14.489 TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE COLLECTED 03:14.523 --> 03:17.059 IN MICHIGAN ARE SPENT IN 03:17.093 --> 03:18.626 MICHIGAN AND THEY DON'T GO TO 03:18.661 --> 03:18.927 WASHINGTON. 03:18.961 --> 03:21.563 THERE IS NO REASON WHY SENATORS 03:21.597 --> 03:23.565 IN ARIZONA, SENATORS IN KENTUCKY 03:23.599 --> 03:26.434 OR FLORIDA SHOULD BE DECIDING ON 03:26.468 --> 03:28.003 SPENDING FOR A BRIDGE IN 03:28.037 --> 03:28.269 MICHIGAN. 03:28.304 --> 03:29.938 >> Tim: THIS IS ONE OF 03:29.972 --> 03:30.538 FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES. 03:30.573 --> 03:33.408 >> THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES, 03:33.442 --> 03:35.376 CHANGING THE WAY WASHINGTON 03:35.411 --> 03:36.712 WORKS AND MOVING THEM BACK TO 03:36.746 --> 03:37.245 THE STATED. 03:37.279 --> 03:39.181 >> BUT YOU VOTED FOR ALL SORTS 03:39.215 --> 03:41.649 OF EARMARKS THAT DID PRECISELY 03:41.684 --> 03:43.018 SAID SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. 03:43.052 --> 03:46.922 YOU VOTED FOR THOUSANDS OF THOSE 03:46.956 --> 03:48.123 EARMARKS TO TAKE TAXPAYER 03:48.157 --> 03:50.225 DOLLARS AND SEND THEM TO 03:50.259 --> 03:52.160 CLEVELAND, SEND THEM TO IOWA, 03:52.195 --> 03:53.328 THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS 03:53.362 --> 03:54.763 THAT WHEN YOU SAY CHANGE 03:54.797 --> 03:56.631 WASHINGTON, YOU DIDN'T CHANGE 03:56.665 --> 03:56.932 WASHINGTON. 03:56.966 --> 03:58.900 >> CLARK, THIS IS ONE OF THE 03:58.935 --> 04:01.401 MYTHS YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP. 04:01.436 --> 04:02.603 IF YOU TAKE A LOOK. 04:02.637 --> 04:05.472 I VOTED IN 1990s WHEN I WAS ON 04:05.506 --> 04:07.875 THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WITH JOHN 04:07.909 --> 04:09.043 KASICH. 04:09.077 --> 04:10.344 FIRST TIME WE HAD THE 04:10.378 --> 04:11.846 OPPORTUNITY AND I'M ON THE 04:11.880 --> 04:12.613 TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND 04:12.647 --> 04:13.114 BUDGET COMMITTEE. 04:13.148 --> 04:15.082 WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING POLICY 04:15.117 --> 04:16.951 AND MOVING MONEY BACK TO THE 04:16.985 --> 04:17.651 STATES. 04:17.685 --> 04:19.686 I STOOD WITH JOHN AND SAID THAT 04:19.721 --> 04:21.555 MONEY NEEDS TO STAY IN THE 04:21.589 --> 04:23.657 STATES, IT DOESN'T, IT SHOULDN'T 04:23.691 --> 04:25.359 COME TO WASHINGTON. 04:25.393 --> 04:27.661 >>> LET'S ASSUME FOR A 04:27.695 --> 04:29.630 THEORETICAL DISCUSSION, IF HAD 04:29.664 --> 04:31.732 TO VOTE FOR MONEY ON THE BRIDGE, 04:31.767 --> 04:36.403 HOW YOU WOULD VOTE, JUST SAY YES 04:36.437 --> 04:36.603 OR NO? 04:36.638 --> 04:39.974 >> WHAT'S THAT. 04:40.008 --> 04:43.577 NO I WOULD NOT, THESE GUYS ARE 04:43.611 --> 04:45.946 CORRECT IN WHAT THIS DOES IT 04:45.981 --> 04:47.948 DRIVES MONEY, THE MONEY COMES 04:47.983 --> 04:50.284 BACK TO THE STATES, THE MONEY IS 04:50.318 --> 04:51.919 BEING SPENT IN WASHINGTON. 04:51.953 --> 04:53.687 THEY DON'T HAVE WASHINGTON 04:53.721 --> 04:54.388 ALLOCATING THE MONEY. 04:54.422 --> 04:56.390 LET THE GOVERNOR IN THIS 04:56.424 --> 04:57.591 LEGISLATURE DECIDE WHAT THE 04:57.625 --> 05:00.661 PRIORITIES ARE FOR THE STATES. 05:00.695 --> 05:02.528 >> IF YOU HAD BEEN IN THE SENATE 05:02.562 --> 05:05.598 WHEN TEDDY KENNEDY WERE ALIVE 05:05.632 --> 05:08.134 AND HE SAID MR. HEKMAN, I WANT 05:08.169 --> 05:09.936 TO WORK WITH YOU ON HEALTH CARE, 05:09.970 --> 05:11.470 WOULD YOU SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH 05:11.505 --> 05:11.971 HIM? 05:12.006 --> 05:14.207 >> I WOULD WORK WITH ANYBODY. 05:14.241 --> 05:16.276 YOU DON'T COMPROMISE PRINCIPLES. 05:16.310 --> 05:18.344 I DON'T BELIEVE HEALTHCARE IS 05:18.378 --> 05:19.045 COMING FROM THE FEDERAL 05:19.079 --> 05:19.712 GOVERNMENT. 05:19.746 --> 05:21.681 THE OBAMACARE, THE FIASCO THAT 05:21.715 --> 05:25.084 WE HAVE PUTS A GOVERNMENT 05:25.119 --> 05:26.953 BUREAUCRAT BETWEEN ME. 05:26.987 --> 05:28.988 >> SO YOU WOULD SAT DOWN WITH 05:29.023 --> 05:30.690 LIBERAL TEDDY KENNEDY ON THOSE 05:30.724 --> 05:31.024 ISSUES? 05:31.058 --> 05:33.059 >> I LOVE DEMOCRATS, 05:33.093 --> 05:34.260 INDEPENDENTS, REPUBLICANS. 05:34.295 --> 05:37.897 I HAVE AN INDEPENDENT EN COURSE 05:37.932 --> 05:39.532 GO ME. 05:39.566 --> 05:40.733 >> Tim: WHAT YOU HAVE DONE? 05:40.767 --> 05:43.269 >> THAT I ALREADY DONE THAT. 05:43.304 --> 05:44.470 AFTER PRESIDENT BUSH GOT ELECTED 05:44.504 --> 05:46.072 I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DOWN 05:46.106 --> 05:47.406 TO AUSTIN AND SIT WITH 05:47.441 --> 05:50.310 REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND A 05:50.344 --> 05:52.946 PRESIDENT BUSH AND TALK ABOUT 05:52.980 --> 05:54.814 REFORMING EDUCATION, NO KLEILTD 05:54.849 --> 05:55.781 LEFT BEHIND. 05:55.816 --> 05:57.717 WE STARTED TOGETHER SAYING WE 05:57.751 --> 06:00.019 NEED TO REFORM THE FEDERAL ROLE 06:00.054 --> 06:00.886 IN EDUCATION. 06:00.920 --> 06:03.488 WHEN NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND 06:03.522 --> 06:06.291 REACHED AND BECAME LEGISLATIVE 06:06.326 --> 06:08.626 LANGUAGE, YOU SAY, TED, IT WAS 06:08.661 --> 06:10.395 NICE WORKING WITH YOU BUT YOU'VE 06:10.429 --> 06:14.066 GONE IN SUCH A DIRECTION I'M 06:14.100 --> 06:14.967 VOTING NO. 06:15.001 --> 06:16.801 >> Tim: YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM 06:16.836 --> 06:17.635 WORKING WITH DEMOCRATS ON THE 06:17.670 --> 06:19.071 OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE? 06:19.105 --> 06:20.272 >> YOU HAVE TO TREAT EVERYBODY 06:20.306 --> 06:21.373 WITH RESPECT. 06:21.407 --> 06:23.075 THEY HAVE BEEN ELECTED BY THEIR 06:23.109 --> 06:24.409 CON CITY WENLTS TO COME TO 06:24.443 --> 06:26.211 WASHINGTON AND WORK TOWARDS 06:26.246 --> 06:26.578 SOLUTIONS. 06:26.612 --> 06:28.180 YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH 06:28.214 --> 06:29.348 THEM BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU 06:29.382 --> 06:30.983 HAVE TO COMPROMISE YOUR 06:31.017 --> 06:32.084 PRINCIPLES TO GET SOMETHING 06:32.118 --> 06:32.317 DONE. 06:32.352 --> 06:34.719 >> WOULD YOU HAVE WORKED WITH 06:34.754 --> 06:35.153 TEDDY KENNEDY? 06:35.188 --> 06:38.223 >> I SPENT 25 YEARS OF MY LIFE 06:38.258 --> 06:39.624 WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO SOLVE 06:39.658 --> 06:40.825 APPROXIMATE AND HAVE BEEN 06:40.860 --> 06:41.493 SUCCESSFUL IN DOING SO. 06:41.527 --> 06:42.961 THE THING THAT IS CRITICAL WHEN 06:42.996 --> 06:44.329 YOU ARE WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO 06:44.364 --> 06:45.530 ARE NOT IN THE SAME PLACE THAT 06:45.564 --> 06:47.732 YOU ARE, IS TO FIGURE OUT IF 06:47.767 --> 06:49.501 IT'S A SOLUTION THAT WORKS OR 06:49.535 --> 06:50.269 COSTS MORE MONEY. 06:50.303 --> 06:52.404 IF I HAD BEEN PETE HOEKSTRA, I 06:52.438 --> 06:55.440 WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING TO ABOOL 06:55.474 --> 06:57.009 THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, 06:57.043 --> 06:58.710 INSTEAD OF FIGHTING NO CHILD 06:58.744 --> 06:59.444 LEFT BEHIND. 06:59.478 --> 07:01.478 I WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVELY 07:01.513 --> 07:02.280 WORKING TO SEE THAT THE 07:02.314 --> 07:04.148 DEPARTMENT OF FEDERAL ROLE IN 07:04.182 --> 07:06.517 EDUCATION IS ZERO. 07:06.551 --> 07:07.985 WE HAVE 50 DEPARTMENTS OF 07:08.020 --> 07:08.552 EDUCATION. 07:08.586 --> 07:10.254 WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITIES AND 07:10.289 --> 07:13.724 LOCAL SCHOOLS, GET THE 07:13.758 --> 07:16.060 GOVERNMENT OUT OF EDUCATION IN 07:16.094 --> 07:16.693 OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 07:16.728 --> 07:18.495 >> Tim: QUICK ANSWERS TO SHORTER 07:18.530 --> 07:19.130 QUESTIONS. 07:19.164 --> 07:21.332 HOW DID YOU VOTE ON LEGALIZING 07:21.366 --> 07:21.732 MEDICAL MARIJUANA? 07:21.766 --> 07:23.367 >> THAT IS A PERSONAL VOLT. 07:23.402 --> 07:25.102 I WON'T TELL YOU HOW I'M VOTING 07:25.137 --> 07:26.503 IN THE BALLOT BOX. 07:26.538 --> 07:28.539 >> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE OUGHT TO 07:28.573 --> 07:29.573 HAVE ACCESS TO THAT? 07:29.607 --> 07:31.342 >> THAT IS A DECISION THAT IS 07:31.376 --> 07:32.776 MADE THROUGH THE FDA. 07:32.811 --> 07:34.378 RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN CONFLICT 07:34.413 --> 07:36.447 BETWEEN THE FDA AND STATED RULES 07:36.481 --> 07:37.148 AND REGULATIONS. 07:37.182 --> 07:39.183 WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MESS IN 07:39.217 --> 07:41.152 THIS STATE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU 07:41.186 --> 07:45.622 ARE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING THIS 07:45.657 --> 07:46.824 NEW PROCESS IN THE STATE. 07:46.858 --> 07:47.724 IT'S A MESS. 07:47.759 --> 07:49.660 >> Tim: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A 07:49.694 --> 07:51.595 TWO-THIRDS VOTED TO RAISE TAXES 07:51.629 --> 07:52.964 ON SO-CALLED SUPER MAJORITY? 07:52.998 --> 07:55.132 >> I SUPPORT SUPER MAJORITY, I 07:55.167 --> 07:56.700 WOULD SUPPORT A SUPER MAJORITY 07:56.734 --> 07:58.302 AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO RAISE 07:58.337 --> 07:59.703 TAXES AND TO RAISE SPENDING. 07:59.737 --> 08:01.938 >> Tim: WOULD YOU VOTE TO BAN 08:01.973 --> 08:02.372 ASSAULT WEAPONS? 08:02.406 --> 08:05.208 >> I VOTED KNOW ON BANNING 08:05.242 --> 08:05.775 ASSAULT WEAPONS. 08:05.809 --> 08:07.844 >> HOW WOULD YOU DO ON THAT? 08:07.878 --> 08:09.545 >> I WOULD NOT BAN ASSAULT 08:09.580 --> 08:10.146 WEAPONS. 08:10.181 --> 08:12.015 THE PROBLEM IS NOT GUNS, IT'S 08:12.049 --> 08:13.049 PEOPLE. 08:13.084 --> 08:15.085 IT'S APPLYING THE LAW TO PEOPLE 08:15.119 --> 08:17.620 WHO VIOLATED LAWSUIT. 08:17.654 --> 08:19.622 >> TWO-THIRDS VOTE ON TAXES? 08:19.656 --> 08:20.590 >> ABSOLUTELY. 08:20.624 --> 08:22.825 POINT OF FACT, PETE HOEKSTRA 08:22.860 --> 08:26.429 SAID HE WANTED THE NEW PATRIOT 08:26.464 --> 08:26.963 TAX. 08:26.998 --> 08:28.465 PEOPLE ARE OVERTAXED THE 08:28.499 --> 08:30.266 GOVERNMENT HAS OVERTAXED US. 08:30.301 --> 08:32.302 WE NEED TO BE REDUCING TAXES NOT 08:32.336 --> 08:34.337 JUST HOLDING THEM THE SAME. 08:34.372 --> 08:36.606 >> Tim: HOW YOU WOULD VOTE FOR 08:36.640 --> 08:37.640 MEDICAL MARIJUANA? 08:37.674 --> 08:38.908 >> I THINK. 08:38.942 --> 08:40.076 >> Tim: YOU DIDN'T VOTE? 08:40.111 --> 08:42.345 >> I THINK IN POINT OF FACT, 08:42.380 --> 08:44.114 MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS LIMITED 08:44.148 --> 08:47.083 ONLY TO PRESCRIBED MEDICAL 08:47.118 --> 08:48.918 PURPOSES PROPERLY SUPERVISED I 08:48.952 --> 08:50.120 THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE. 08:50.154 --> 08:52.955 >> I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR IT? 08:52.990 --> 08:54.790 >> I DON'T REVEAL MY VOTES IN 08:54.825 --> 08:55.058 THAT WAY. 08:55.092 --> 08:58.094 I WOULD HAVE VOTED TO SEE THAT 08:58.129 --> 09:00.230 PRESCRIBED LIMITED, SUPERVISED 09:00.264 --> 09:02.831 ICE FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES ONLY 09:02.865 --> 09:05.401 WOULD BE PERMISSION I BELIEVE. 09:05.435 --> 09:07.436 >> WOULD THE BALLOT PROPOSAL 09:07.470 --> 09:08.904 MEET THE CRITERIA? 09:08.938 --> 09:09.804 >> I DON'T THINK SO. 09:09.839 --> 09:11.973 I DON'T THINK IT MET THOSE 09:12.008 --> 09:13.575 PURPOSES, I VOTED AGAINST IT. 09:13.609 --> 09:16.978 >> I VOTED NO. 09:17.013 --> 09:21.216 I AM A FORMER PROSECUTOR AND 09:21.251 --> 09:22.651 JUDGE. 09:22.685 --> 09:24.886 YOU ALLOW IT ONE DOOR AND PEOPLE 09:24.921 --> 09:27.589 TAKE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. 09:27.623 --> 09:30.325 >> TWO ADVISOR THIRDZ VOTE ON 09:30.360 --> 09:30.859 RAISING TAXES? 09:30.893 --> 09:32.294 >> I WOULD SUPPORTED THAT. 09:32.328 --> 09:37.533 >> VOTE ON BANNING PURCHASE OF 09:37.567 --> 09:37.933 ASSAULT WEAPONS? 09:37.967 --> 09:41.036 >> I WOULD VOTE NO. 09:41.071 --> 09:44.339 >> MR. DURANT HAS DONE SOMETHING 09:44.374 --> 09:45.674 CIVILLY WRONG, THE ALLEGATIONS 09:45.708 --> 09:46.908 IN THE U.S. SENATE? 09:46.943 --> 09:48.710 >> WE FILED A CLAIM IN THE SUPER 09:48.744 --> 09:52.581 PAC, THEY ARE ADVOCATING THE 09:52.615 --> 09:54.450 ELECTION OF MR. DURANT. 09:54.484 --> 09:56.785 ON JULY 15 FILED A STATEMENT 09:56.819 --> 09:59.588 WE'VE RAISED NO MONEY UP UNTIL 09:59.622 --> 10:00.755 JUNE 3rd. 10:00.790 --> 10:02.457 >> Tim: DO YOU HOLD HIM 10:02.491 --> 10:03.224 PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? 10:03.258 --> 10:04.925 >> NO. 10:04.960 --> 10:07.495 I HOPE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENTAL 10:07.529 --> 10:08.896 WILL FINISH THEIR INVESTIGATIONS 10:08.930 --> 10:11.499 BUT AS CANDIDATES FOR OFFICE, I 10:11.533 --> 10:13.334 HOPE WE'VE ALL MET THE STANDARD 10:13.368 --> 10:16.670 THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY 10:16.705 --> 10:18.606 AFFILIATION DIRECTLY OR 10:18.640 --> 10:19.640 INDIRECTLY WITH A SUPER PAC. 10:19.674 --> 10:22.876 I'M ASSUMING THAT MR. DURANT HAS 10:22.911 --> 10:24.011 MET THE CRITERIA. 10:24.045 --> 10:26.780 >> Tim: HE IS NOT UNFITTED TO 10:26.815 --> 10:27.982 SERVE IN THE U.S. SENATE? 10:28.016 --> 10:30.684 >> NO. 10:30.719 --> 10:32.853 I THINK PETE HOEKSTRA HAS JOINED 10:32.887 --> 10:35.556 WITH THE DEMOCRATS TO ATTACK ME 10:35.591 --> 10:37.592 REGARDING CORNERSTONE SCHOOLS. 10:37.626 --> 10:39.893 WHAT A DIRTY IS JET ABOUT THIS 10:39.928 --> 10:41.829 THE DEMOCRATS HAVE VICIOUSLY 10:41.863 --> 10:43.431 STARTED TO ATTACK A TREMENDOUS 10:43.465 --> 10:45.733 SUCCESS STORY IN DETROIT FOR 10:45.767 --> 10:46.200 THIS REASON. 10:46.235 --> 10:48.969 THEY KNOW THEIR INTERNAL POLLS 10:49.004 --> 10:52.206 THAT SAYS CLARK DURANT WOULD BE 10:52.241 --> 10:56.310 MORE FORMIDABLE CANDIDATE 10:56.345 --> 11:00.448 AGAINST DEBBY STABENOW. 11:00.482 --> 11:02.949 THE ATTACKS ARE DESIGNED TO 11:02.983 --> 11:05.519 DEFEAT ME IN THE PRIMARY. 11:05.553 --> 11:08.622 >>> THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ATTACKS 11:08.656 --> 11:10.056 ARE THEY ANY OF THEM TRUE? 11:10.090 --> 11:14.060 >> NO, EVERYTHING WE DID WERE 11:14.094 --> 11:15.362 ALL CONSISTENT WITH REGULATIONS. 11:15.396 --> 11:17.564 >> Tim: HAS MR. DURANT DONE 11:17.598 --> 11:18.031 ANYTHING WRONG? 11:18.065 --> 11:20.967 >> THE SUPER PAC THING. 11:21.001 --> 11:22.402 THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE 11:22.436 --> 11:22.835 INDEPENDENT. 11:22.870 --> 11:25.805 WHEN THE BROTHER OF THE CAMPAIGN 11:25.839 --> 11:28.007 CHAIRMAN IS HEAD OF A SUPER PAC, 11:28.042 --> 11:30.410 ONE HAS TO ASK THE QUESTION, IS 11:30.444 --> 11:36.183 IT REALLY INDEPENDENT? 11:36.217 --> 11:38.318 HE IS SAYING HE IS INDEPENDENT. 11:38.352 --> 11:39.386 COME ON. 11:39.420 --> 11:40.654 IT'S YOUR BROTHER. 11:40.688 --> 11:42.789 >> NOT MY BROTHER. 11:42.823 --> 11:44.824 >> IT'S THE CHAIRMAN'S BROTHER 11:44.858 --> 11:46.959 THAT RUNS IT AND THE AD ITSELF 11:46.994 --> 11:48.928 HAS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES TO IT. 11:48.962 --> 11:51.798 IT STRIKES ME THERE IS SOME 11:51.832 --> 11:52.232 OVERLAP. 11:52.266 --> 11:53.966 COMMON SENSE TELLS US THERE HAS 11:54.001 --> 11:55.235 TO BE SOME OVERLAP. 11:55.269 --> 11:56.736 >> I AM NOT SAYING HE IS GUILTY. 11:56.770 --> 11:57.671 >> YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE. 11:57.705 --> 11:59.573 >> I'M JUST SAYING, COME ON. 11:59.607 --> 12:01.074 >> WHY DID YOU LOOK AT HIM LIKE 12:01.108 --> 12:01.440 THAT? 12:01.474 --> 12:03.742 >> I'M SHOCKED, RANDY. 12:03.776 --> 12:07.012 STOP PLAYING POLITICS. 12:07.046 --> 12:09.781 MOST IMPORTANT THING FACING OUR 12:09.816 --> 12:11.717 COUNTRY IS LACK OF JOBS AND 12:11.751 --> 12:12.218 ECONOMY. 12:12.252 --> 12:13.652 WE HAVE CAREER POLITICIANS 12:13.687 --> 12:15.187 PLAYING IN THE WEEDS WITH THESE 12:15.222 --> 12:16.121 OTHER THINGS. 12:16.155 --> 12:17.756 OF COURSE IT'S INDEPENDENT. 12:17.790 --> 12:20.492 IT'S A FREE COUNTRY, BY THE WAY. 12:20.527 --> 12:22.794 WE OUGHT TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOW 12:22.829 --> 12:24.396 CAREER POLITICIANS, WITH ALL DUE 12:24.431 --> 12:27.899 RESPECT TO MY REPUBLICAN 12:27.934 --> 12:29.602 OPPONENT PETE HOEKSTRA WHO HAS 12:29.636 --> 12:31.437 BEEN IN CONGRESS FOR 18 YEARS 12:31.471 --> 12:35.107 AND GONE ALONG WITH DEBBY 12:35.141 --> 12:37.976 STABENOW IN LIMITING MICHIGAN 12:38.010 --> 12:39.545 PRODUCTS WHERE WE GROW THINGS 12:39.579 --> 12:40.646 AND MAKE THINGS TO BE SHIPPED 12:40.680 --> 12:42.348 OVER THE MARKET. 12:42.382 --> 12:46.318 >> Tim: YOU ACCUSE HOEKSTRA TO 12:46.353 --> 12:47.753 LEAK SECURITY INFORMATION? 12:47.787 --> 12:48.220 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. 12:48.255 --> 12:49.988 >> IT'S A LUDICROUS CHARGE. 12:50.022 --> 12:51.790 IT'S THE SAME KIND OF CHARGE 12:51.824 --> 12:54.593 THAT CLARK MADE JUST NOW SAKE 12:54.628 --> 12:57.896 HOEKSTRA IS LIKE STABENOW. 12:57.930 --> 13:01.032 90% AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION, 13:01.067 --> 13:03.434 HUNDRED PERCENT PRO-LIFE, DEBBY 13:03.469 --> 13:05.136 IS ZERO. 13:05.170 --> 13:08.606 STRAIGHT A'S FROM THE NRA. 13:08.641 --> 13:11.909 DEBBY IS STRAIGHT "F". 13:11.943 --> 13:13.611 DEBBY IS SPEND THRIFT. 13:13.646 --> 13:14.912 IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT 13:14.946 --> 13:16.681 PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN ARE SO 13:16.715 --> 13:17.882 FRUSTRATED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE 13:17.916 --> 13:20.084 CLARK, THE NEGATIVE ADS DON'T 13:20.118 --> 13:20.585 WORK. 13:20.619 --> 13:22.654 THEY ARE NOT TRUE. 13:22.688 --> 13:24.689 THE END RESOLVE THE POLLING 13:24.723 --> 13:26.824 NUMBERS CONTINUE TO BE VERY, 13:26.858 --> 13:27.258 VERY STRONG. 13:27.293 --> 13:29.794 THIS IS VERY MUCH, VERY SIMILAR 13:29.828 --> 13:31.462 TO WHAT YOU DID WHEN YOU RAN FOR 13:31.497 --> 13:35.833 OFFICE IN 1990. 13:35.867 --> 13:37.735 YOU WERE WAY DOWN. 13:37.770 --> 13:38.803 [ LAUGHTER ] 13:38.837 --> 13:40.772 >> YOU WERE RUNNING FOR OFFICE 13:40.806 --> 13:42.473 LONG BEFORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 13:42.508 --> 13:44.008 I WAS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 13:44.042 --> 13:45.510 THE NUMBERS ARE BAD. 13:45.544 --> 13:48.078 YOU START RUNNING A DESPERATE 13:48.113 --> 13:48.479 CAMPAIGN. 13:48.514 --> 13:50.515 YOU STARTED RUNNING NEGATIVE 13:50.549 --> 13:51.148 ADS. 13:51.183 --> 13:53.451 YOU CALL FOR LINCOLN DOUGLAS 13:53.485 --> 13:54.018 DEBATES. 13:54.052 --> 13:55.320 THE SAME PERSON IS RUNNING THE 13:55.354 --> 13:56.487 CAMPAIGN AND DOING THE SAME 13:56.522 --> 14:01.591 THING NOW 11 YEARS LATER. 14:01.626 --> 14:03.293 >> LET'S LOOK AT THIS CONCRETE. 14:03.328 --> 14:06.029 MY AD SAYS THE FOLLOWING THINGS, 14:06.063 --> 14:07.397 THAT WASHINGTON CHANGED PETE 14:07.432 --> 14:07.798 HOEKSTRA. 14:07.832 --> 14:12.035 YOU CAME IN 1992 AND YOU GAVE A 14:12.069 --> 14:14.838 OP-ED FOR THE WASHINGTON TIMES. 14:14.872 --> 14:16.306 YOU TOLD EVERYBODY THAT THE DEBT 14:16.341 --> 14:18.007 AND SPENDING THAT WAS BEFORE US 14:18.042 --> 14:19.843 WOULD BURY OUR CHILDREN AND OUR 14:19.877 --> 14:20.444 GRANDCHILDREN. 14:20.478 --> 14:26.850 WHAT DID YOU DO? 14:26.884 --> 14:28.785 WHAT YOU DID YOU VOTED TIME AND 14:28.820 --> 14:30.520 TIME AGAIN AND THEN YOUR LAST 14:30.555 --> 14:33.390 VOTE TOOK THE DEBT TO OVER $11 14:33.424 --> 14:34.758 TRILLION. 14:34.792 --> 14:36.926 EVEN DEBBY STABENOW DIDN'T VOTE 14:36.961 --> 14:39.262 FOR THE WALL STREET BAILOUT AND 14:39.296 --> 14:41.197 YOU DID. 14:41.232 --> 14:43.199 STABENOW DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE 14:43.234 --> 14:45.736 CONTROLLER GENERAL CALLED THE 14:45.770 --> 14:47.571 MOST IRRESPONSIBLE PIECE OF 14:47.605 --> 14:53.443 LEGISLATION, MEDICARE PART "D". 14:53.478 --> 14:56.112 >> IT'S CLEAR, MY RECORD IS A 14:56.146 --> 14:57.547 FISCAL CONSERVATIVE. 14:57.582 --> 15:02.317 I VOTED FOR TARP BECAUSE JUST 15:02.352 --> 15:06.756 LIKE PAUL RYAN RECOGNIZED THIS 15:06.790 --> 15:08.758 WAS NOT ABOUT BAILING OUT WALL 15:08.792 --> 15:09.024 STREET. 15:09.058 --> 15:12.528 IT WAS BAILING OUT AND HELPING 15:12.562 --> 15:14.397 PEOPLE AT THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL. 15:14.431 --> 15:16.732 THIS WAS GOING TO SHUT DOWN 15:16.767 --> 15:21.604 SMALL, MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES 15:21.638 --> 15:24.339 ACROSS THE STAIT. 15:24.374 --> 15:27.476 IN OAKLAND COUNTY, THE TRUTH OF 15:27.511 --> 15:29.077 THE MATTER -- 15:29.112 --> 15:30.780 >> THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS 15:30.814 --> 15:31.146 ALL THAT MONEY. 15:31.180 --> 15:37.486 [ TALKING OVER EACH OTHER ] 15:37.521 --> 15:38.554 >> IT'S STILL WORKING. 15:38.588 --> 15:39.488 >> YOU KNOW WHAT. 15:39.523 --> 15:42.525 THIS IS LIKE, FRANKLY, TWO 15:42.559 --> 15:45.327 PEOPLE WRESTLING IN A LITTLE ROW 15:45.361 --> 15:47.463 BOAT HEADING OVER THE NIAGRA 15:47.497 --> 15:47.730 FALLS. 15:47.764 --> 15:50.533 WE ARE AMERICANS WHETHER WE'RE 15:50.567 --> 15:52.501 DETAILS, INDEPENDENTS OR HERE WE 15:52.536 --> 15:53.135 ARE REPUBLICANS. 15:53.169 --> 15:54.303 I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE THREE 15:54.337 --> 15:56.639 OF US, IF WE GET TO WASHINGTON, 15:56.673 --> 15:58.841 D.C., WE WILL VOTE, ANY ONE OF 15:58.875 --> 16:01.643 US WILL VOTE WITHIN SINGLE 16:01.677 --> 16:03.377 PERCENTAGE VOTES THE SAME. 16:03.412 --> 16:06.013 WE ARE ARGUING, WE NEED -- TO ME 16:06.048 --> 16:08.049 THE BIG ISSUE IS NOT WHO GETS 16:08.083 --> 16:08.550 ELECTED. 16:08.584 --> 16:11.953 THE BIG ISSUE WE NEED TO FIX OUR 16:11.987 --> 16:12.554 COUNTRY. 16:12.588 --> 16:15.189 OUR COUNTRY IS GOING OVER THE 16:15.223 --> 16:15.389 CLIFF. 16:15.424 --> 16:17.024 >> YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY, SIR, 16:17.059 --> 16:18.326 THAT HAD YOU A STRONG SENSE, 16:18.360 --> 16:21.128 THAT GOD WANTS US IN THIS THING. 16:21.163 --> 16:22.597 HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? 16:22.631 --> 16:25.533 >> REFERRING TO MY WIFE AND ME. 16:25.568 --> 16:26.501 RIGHT. 16:26.535 --> 16:30.137 AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO DECEMBER 16:30.172 --> 16:31.673 2010, A STRONG SENSE THAT WE 16:31.707 --> 16:34.208 NEED TO DO THIS AND CONFIRM BY 16:34.242 --> 16:35.610 TALKING TO OUR KIDS. 16:35.644 --> 16:36.978 WE HAVE 12 KIDS. 16:37.012 --> 16:39.246 >> YOU SAID GOD WANTS US IN THIS 16:39.281 --> 16:39.914 THING. 16:39.949 --> 16:41.516 HOW DO YOU KNOW GOD WANTS YOU IN 16:41.550 --> 16:41.816 THIS? 16:41.851 --> 16:44.886 >> YOU DON'T KNOW 2010 HINDSIGHT 16:44.920 --> 16:47.421 OR VISION, YOU KNOW THE SENSES 16:47.456 --> 16:48.756 IN YOUR HEART. 16:48.791 --> 16:51.058 I HAVE A HEART FOR OUR COUNTRY. 16:51.093 --> 16:52.126 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN 16:52.160 --> 16:54.796 OUR LIVES SO WE CAN ENJOY THIS 16:54.830 --> 16:55.497 CONVERSATION TODAY. 16:55.531 --> 16:58.366 I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE. 16:58.400 --> 17:00.267 LET AMERICA DIE. 17:00.302 --> 17:02.669 WE LIVE HANDFUL OF YEARS 17:02.704 --> 17:05.238 REACHING A DROP DEAD DATE WHERE 17:05.272 --> 17:08.909 ALL THE MONEY ONLY PAYS INTEREST 17:08.943 --> 17:09.275 ON OUR DEBT. 17:09.310 --> 17:11.411 I THINK EVERY AMERICAN NEEDS TO 17:11.445 --> 17:13.079 BE INVOLVED IN THIS CRISIS. 17:13.114 --> 17:17.350 NEEDS TO ASK GOD, BRING A 17:17.385 --> 17:17.784 REVIVAL TO AMERICA. 17:17.819 --> 17:19.653 THAT IS ONLY THING THAT IS GOING 17:19.687 --> 17:20.988 TO FUEL CHANGED HEARTS. 17:21.022 --> 17:24.057 BUT WHAT DOES GOD WANT ME TO DO. 17:24.091 --> 17:26.159 IT'S SO CLEAR TO ME AND MY WIFE 17:26.193 --> 17:27.360 AS WE TRAVEL THE STATE. 17:27.395 --> 17:29.362 WE'VE BEEN IN THE STATE LONGER 17:29.397 --> 17:31.031 THAN THESE TWO GUYS. 17:31.065 --> 17:31.632 WE LOVE THIS. 17:31.666 --> 17:34.835 WE WANTED TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY. 17:34.869 --> 17:37.671 >> WOULD YOU VOTE TO ELIMINATE 17:37.705 --> 17:39.105 THE HOME INTEREST TAX? 17:39.140 --> 17:42.442 >> HE HAS ASKED THIS IN A WAY TO 17:42.476 --> 17:44.310 CALL INTO QUESTION HIS OWN 17:44.345 --> 17:46.179 COMMITMENT AND WAITED GOD WOULD 17:46.213 --> 17:47.014 SPEAK TO HIM. 17:47.048 --> 17:49.149 BOTH PETE AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE 17:49.183 --> 17:50.083 TRAIL WITH RANDY. 17:50.117 --> 17:52.118 I CAN SPEAK FOR BOTH US, NO ONE 17:52.153 --> 17:53.386 WOULD GO THROUGH THE KINDS OF 17:53.421 --> 17:54.955 THINGS THAT ALL OF US ARE GOING 17:54.989 --> 17:56.657 THROUGH UNLESS WE FELT A DEEPER 17:56.691 --> 17:57.157 CALLING. 17:57.191 --> 18:00.861 I BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE WITH 18:00.895 --> 18:01.327 PETE. 18:01.362 --> 18:03.262 I BELIEVE THAT GOD HAS CALLED 18:03.296 --> 18:04.797 EVERY PERSON TO FIND A PLACE IN 18:04.831 --> 18:06.899 THEIR LIVES WHERE THEY CAN MAKE 18:06.934 --> 18:08.267 A DIFFERENCE FOR OTHERS. 18:08.301 --> 18:10.570 PEOPLE WHO GET INTO POLITICS. 18:10.604 --> 18:12.104 PEOPLE WHO GET INTO THE MEDIA. 18:12.138 --> 18:13.639 EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT GIFTS. 18:13.674 --> 18:15.507 IF RANDY FEELS IN THAT WAY AND 18:15.542 --> 18:17.443 DIFFERENT WAYS WE ALL HAVE BEEN 18:17.477 --> 18:19.679 EQUIPPED TO BE IN THIS ARENA 18:19.713 --> 18:25.451 BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY IS AT RISK. 18:25.485 --> 18:27.753 >> I THINK FAITH AND RELIGION, 18:27.788 --> 18:29.755 IT'S VERY DEEP AND INTERNAL 18:29.790 --> 18:30.322 BELIEF. 18:30.356 --> 18:32.424 BUT DIANE AND I WOULD NOT BE 18:32.459 --> 18:34.927 INVOLVED IN THIS IF WE DIDN'T 18:34.962 --> 18:36.428 BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE CALLING 18:36.463 --> 18:38.330 THAT GOD HAS PLACED. 18:38.364 --> 18:40.132 DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO 18:40.166 --> 18:41.533 WIN, ALL RIGHT? 18:41.568 --> 18:44.436 WHEN WE LOST THE GOVERNOR'S RACE 18:44.471 --> 18:48.407 THERE WAS NARROW -- YOU KNOW, WE 18:48.441 --> 18:50.342 JUST KIND OF LEFT THAT NIGHT AND 18:50.376 --> 18:52.578 SAID, WOW, THIS IS EXCITING. 18:52.613 --> 18:55.715 GOD HAS SOMETHING BETTER IN MIND 18:55.749 --> 18:58.718 FOR US THAN BEING GOVERNOR OF 18:58.752 --> 18:59.885 MICHIGAN. 18:59.920 --> 19:01.186 SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. 19:01.221 --> 19:03.287 FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE PEOPLE 19:03.322 --> 19:07.125 OF FAITH, MANY OF THE VIEWERS 19:07.159 --> 19:09.928 HERE, WE SEARCH HARD TO TRY TO 19:09.962 --> 19:11.462 FIND OUT WHAT THE WILL OF GOD IS 19:11.497 --> 19:14.532 IN OUR LIVES AND TO FOLLOW HIS 19:14.566 --> 19:15.466 TEACHINGS. 19:15.501 --> 19:16.134 ABSOLUTELY. 19:16.168 --> 19:17.769 >> MR. HEKMAN WOULD YOU 19:17.803 --> 19:21.572 ELIMINATE THE INTEREST TAX 19:21.607 --> 19:21.940 EXEMPTION? 19:21.974 --> 19:25.944 >> GIVE ME MORE ON THAT. 19:25.978 --> 19:28.246 THE MORTGAGE DEDUCTION. 19:28.280 --> 19:29.547 NOT DIRECTLY. 19:29.581 --> 19:30.515 >> Tim: NOT DIRECTLY. 19:30.549 --> 19:33.217 >> YOU SAID YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF 19:33.252 --> 19:35.186 CLOSING TAX LOOPHOLES. 19:35.220 --> 19:38.089 THIS IS TAX LOOPHOLE. 19:38.124 --> 19:39.858 >> IT'S ENJOYED BY MANY PEOPLE. 19:39.892 --> 19:42.393 I AM IN FAVOR OF THE FAIR TAX. 19:42.427 --> 19:46.731 >> Tim: SO YOU NO VOTE? 19:46.766 --> 19:48.900 >> NO. 19:48.934 --> 19:51.369 >> I BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY 19:51.403 --> 19:54.505 EXEMPTIONS, I BELIEVE WE NEED A 19:54.540 --> 19:55.339 FLAT TAX. 19:55.374 --> 19:56.975 THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS AND 19:57.009 --> 19:58.943 DEDUCTIONS WOULD BE FOR YOUR 19:58.978 --> 20:01.579 HOME MORTGAGE FOR CHARITY AND 20:01.613 --> 20:04.281 FOR HEALTHCARE. 20:04.315 --> 20:04.915 PEOPLE OUGHT TO GET THE SAME 20:04.949 --> 20:06.917 TREATMENT AS COMPANIES GET IN 20:06.951 --> 20:08.986 ABLE TO FIND HEALTH CARE. 20:09.020 --> 20:10.888 >> AND ELIMINATE THE MORTGAGE? 20:10.922 --> 20:12.756 >> TIM, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS 20:12.791 --> 20:14.624 RESTRUCTURE THE TAX CODE. 20:14.659 --> 20:15.759 >> Tim: BEFORE YOU GET THERE 20:15.794 --> 20:16.727 WOULD YOU VOTE TO ELIMINATE 20:16.761 --> 20:17.627 THAT? 20:17.662 --> 20:20.864 >> WE NEED FUNDAMENTAL TAX 20:20.899 --> 20:23.801 REFORM IF WE EXPECT TO GET THIS 20:23.835 --> 20:25.535 ECONOMY MOVING. 20:25.570 --> 20:28.438 THE ISSUE IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO 20:28.472 --> 20:29.272 GET PEOPLE BACK TO WORK. 20:29.307 --> 20:30.674 WITH A KIND OF CHANGES ARE WE 20:30.709 --> 20:33.210 GOING TO MAKE, IN TERMS OF TAXES 20:33.244 --> 20:35.579 AND REGULATORY REFORM AND ENERGY 20:35.613 --> 20:37.514 POLICY THAT PUT AMERICANS BACK 20:37.548 --> 20:37.848 TO WORK. 20:37.882 --> 20:40.217 >> Tim: MR. HEKMAN, DO YOU 20:40.251 --> 20:43.386 SUPPORT TWO TAX BRACKETS, 10% 20:43.421 --> 20:44.688 AND 25%? 20:44.723 --> 20:45.956 >> I COULD SUPPORT THAT. 20:45.990 --> 20:47.791 >> IT WOULD BE LOSS OF REVENUE? 20:47.826 --> 20:49.793 >> IT WOULD BUT ALONG WITH SOME 20:49.828 --> 20:51.328 OF THE THINGS THAT PETE TALKED 20:51.362 --> 20:52.830 ABOUT, WE CAN GET THIS ECONOMY 20:52.864 --> 20:53.263 GOING. 20:53.297 --> 20:54.698 IF YOU WANT TO KILL AN ECONOMY, 20:54.733 --> 20:56.499 YOU COULDN'T DO MUCH BETTER THAN 20:56.534 --> 20:57.868 WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. 20:57.902 --> 20:59.369 >> TWO TAX BRACKETS? 20:59.403 --> 21:01.938 >> I WOULD SUPPORT IT. 21:01.972 --> 21:03.973 HERE IS THE THINK I WOULD 21:04.007 --> 21:04.540 SUPPLEMENT HIS ANSWER WITH. 21:04.574 --> 21:05.908 I THINK YOU WOULD GET MORE 21:05.943 --> 21:06.142 REVENUE. 21:06.176 --> 21:10.346 I THINK WE NEED MORE ECONOMIC 21:10.380 --> 21:10.579 GROWTH. 21:10.614 --> 21:12.381 >> Tim: BUT IN THE PROCESS YOU 21:12.415 --> 21:13.582 LOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? 21:13.617 --> 21:15.317 >> RONALD REAGAN HAD THE RIGHT 21:15.352 --> 21:17.653 THING, KENNEDY HAD THE RIGHT 21:17.687 --> 21:18.654 THING. 21:18.688 --> 21:21.824 NO, IT'S ORGANICALLY UP. 21:21.859 --> 21:23.793 THE ECONOMY STARTS TO GROW. 21:23.827 --> 21:25.494 >> TRICKLE DOWN. 21:25.528 --> 21:27.930 >> YOU ARE SAYING IT'S TRICKLE 21:27.965 --> 21:28.197 DOWN. 21:28.232 --> 21:30.066 >> THE ANSWER IS NO, IT'S NOT 21:30.100 --> 21:30.399 TRICKLE DOWN. 21:30.433 --> 21:31.934 WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU ALLOW 21:31.969 --> 21:33.669 PEOPLE TO KEEP MORE OF WHAT THEY 21:33.703 --> 21:35.337 EARN, ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE MORE 21:35.372 --> 21:37.206 CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN LIVES. 21:37.241 --> 21:38.307 JOBS GET CREATED. 21:38.341 --> 21:40.709 BUSINESSES EXPAND AND FARMS AND 21:40.744 --> 21:41.911 BUSINESSES AND OUR COMMUNITIES 21:41.945 --> 21:42.511 ARE STRENGTHENED. 21:42.545 --> 21:43.512 >> TWO BRACKETS? 21:43.546 --> 21:44.546 >> WE'VE BEEN THERE. 21:44.581 --> 21:45.214 WE'VE DONE THAT. 21:45.249 --> 21:47.016 WE DID THIS IN THE 90s AND DID 21:47.050 --> 21:48.184 IT IN THE 80s. 21:48.218 --> 21:50.820 YOU CUT TAXES, SIMPLIFY THE TAX 21:50.854 --> 21:51.353 CODE. 21:51.388 --> 21:53.355 YOU HAVE REGULATORY RELIEF. 21:53.390 --> 21:54.123 YOU GROW THE ECONOMY. 21:54.158 --> 21:56.358 >> IT HAPPENED UNDER GEORGE W. 21:56.393 --> 21:58.460 BUSH AND THE ECONOMY WENT IN THE 21:58.495 --> 21:58.661 TANK. 21:58.695 --> 22:00.663 >> WE DID IT WITH BILL CLINTON A 22:00.697 --> 22:03.064 LONG TIME AGO. 22:03.099 --> 22:05.700 WE ALSO HAD A THING CALLED 9/11 22:05.734 --> 22:07.169 OCCUR BUT WE DID IT AND GREW THE 22:07.203 --> 22:07.735 ECONOMY. 22:07.770 --> 22:09.370 IT'S HOW WE BALANCE THE BUDGET 22:09.405 --> 22:13.275 IN THE 1990s BY REDUCING TAXES. 22:13.309 --> 22:18.046 TIM, IF WE WANTED TO GET OUT OF 22:18.080 --> 22:20.481 HOLE, WE HAVE TO REFORM 22:20.516 --> 22:21.850 ENTITLEMENTS BUT THE OTHER 22:21.884 --> 22:23.484 LEVERAGE POINT FOR GETTING US 22:23.519 --> 22:25.520 OUT OF HOLE HERE IS ECONOMIC 22:25.554 --> 22:25.753 GROWTH. 22:25.788 --> 22:27.455 THAT IS WHAT THIS CAMPAIGN IS 22:27.489 --> 22:29.357 GOING TO BE ABOUT THIS FALL. 22:29.391 --> 22:31.392 THAT IS THE DEBATE WITH DEBBY IS 22:31.427 --> 22:32.227 GOING TO BE ABOUT. 22:32.261 --> 22:35.763 THE FAILED POLICIES OF OBAMA AND 22:35.798 --> 22:37.799 STABENOW AND ALTERNATIVE VISION 22:37.834 --> 22:40.836 TO GET THE ECONOMY MOVING AGAIN. 22:40.870 --> 22:43.638 >> Tim: CASH FOR CLUNKERS? 22:43.672 --> 22:45.673 >> STUPID, DON'T DO IT. 22:45.708 --> 22:48.743 >> Tim: WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST 22:48.777 --> 22:50.445 ABOUT HELPING THE AUTO INDUSTRY? 22:50.479 --> 22:53.514 >> IT HAS TO SUCCEED ON ITS OWN. 22:53.549 --> 22:55.383 THE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T SUPPORT 22:55.417 --> 22:57.752 ANY INDUSTRY. 22:57.786 --> 23:00.021 >> YOU WOULD LAW GENERAL MOTORS 23:00.056 --> 23:03.724 AND CHRYSLER TO GO INTO A TANK. 23:03.758 --> 23:04.992 YOU WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO 23:05.026 --> 23:05.592 GO INTO THE TANK? 23:05.626 --> 23:07.794 >> IT WOULD NOT HAVE GONE INTO 23:07.829 --> 23:08.395 THE TASK. 23:08.429 --> 23:10.331 THEY COULD HAVE FOLLOWED THE 23:10.365 --> 23:11.765 REGULAR BANKRUPTCY LAWS. 23:11.799 --> 23:13.234 BONDHOLDERS WOULD HAVE BEEN IN 23:13.268 --> 23:14.768 BETTER SHAPE. 23:14.802 --> 23:16.270 UNIONS WOULD NOT BE QUITE SO 23:16.304 --> 23:16.470 SHAPE. 23:16.504 --> 23:19.940 >> SO PRESIDENT BUSH WAS TO 23:19.975 --> 23:21.575 WRONG TO DO THAT? 23:21.609 --> 23:22.776 >> I BELIEVE HE WAS WRONG. 23:22.810 --> 23:24.644 >> I BELIEVE THE WAY YOU SAVER 23:24.679 --> 23:26.847 THE CAR COMPANIES YOU ALLOW A 23:26.882 --> 23:30.317 FAIR PROCESS BUT YOU DON'T TURN 23:30.352 --> 23:30.684 OVER. 23:30.718 --> 23:32.253 WAIT A MINUTE, TIM. 23:32.287 --> 23:36.290 LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF THIS. 23:36.324 --> 23:38.558 WE TURNED OVER TWO AMERICAN 23:38.593 --> 23:40.160 ICONS, CHRYSLER AND GENERAL 23:40.195 --> 23:44.031 MOTORS, FIRST CHRYSLER WE TURNED 23:44.065 --> 23:45.565 IT OVER ITALIAN CAR COMPANY. 23:45.600 --> 23:48.535 IT'S NOT AN AMERICAN COMPANY AND 23:48.569 --> 23:49.770 TURNED GENERAL MOTORS TO SPECIAL 23:49.804 --> 23:52.439 INTERESTS, THE UAW. 23:52.473 --> 23:54.708 >> Tim: IS HE WRONG FOR DOING 23:54.742 --> 23:55.175 WHAT HE DID? 23:55.210 --> 23:56.510 >> HE WAS WRONG BECAUSE IT 23:56.544 --> 23:58.279 WASN'T THE WAY, NOT JUST SAVE 23:58.313 --> 23:58.979 THE CAR COMPANIES. 23:59.014 --> 24:00.580 WE NEED TO GROW THE CAR 24:00.615 --> 24:01.282 COMPANIES. 24:01.316 --> 24:03.716 WE NEED TO EXPAND THE MARKET. 24:03.750 --> 24:07.387 >> WAS HE WRONG, PRESIDENT BUSH. 24:07.421 --> 24:09.522 >> HE STARTED MONEY ROLLING INTO 24:09.556 --> 24:10.290 THE COMPANIES. 24:10.324 --> 24:13.927 >> WHAT WENT WRONG WITH 24:13.961 --> 24:14.193 CHRYSLER. 24:14.228 --> 24:15.194 >> WAS THE PRESIDENT WRONG? 24:15.229 --> 24:17.530 >> THEY WERE WRONG IN TERMS HOW 24:17.564 --> 24:18.965 THEY EXECUTED IT BECAUSE WHAT 24:18.999 --> 24:21.467 THEY DID THEY PUT UNIONS IN 24:21.501 --> 24:22.802 FAVOR OF BONDHOLDERS. 24:22.836 --> 24:25.138 THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH A 24:25.172 --> 24:26.539 TRADITIONAL BANKRUPTCY WHERE THE 24:26.573 --> 24:27.373 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE 24:27.408 --> 24:29.608 BEEN THE BANKS BACK STOP BECAUSE 24:29.643 --> 24:31.411 YOU COULD NOT GET GUARANTEES OUT 24:31.445 --> 24:33.679 OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR BANKING 24:33.713 --> 24:35.315 COMMUNITY TO KEEP THE COMPANIES 24:35.349 --> 24:35.681 RUNNING. 24:35.715 --> 24:37.016 >> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT 24:37.051 --> 24:37.917 DISCUSSION. 24:37.952 --> 24:39.118 WHAT YOU JUST HEARD IS REALLY 24:39.153 --> 24:41.421 THE DIFFERENCE IN LEADERSHIP. 24:41.455 --> 24:43.556 PETE IS SAYING IT WAS POORLY 24:43.590 --> 24:45.591 EXECUTED BUT PETE PULLED THE 24:45.625 --> 24:46.826 TRIGGER TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. 24:46.860 --> 24:47.860 NUMBER ONE. 24:47.894 --> 24:49.595 NUMBER TWO, HE PULLED THE 24:49.629 --> 24:51.097 TRIGGER FOR THE SAME THING TO 24:51.131 --> 24:52.966 HAPPEN TO REWARD THESE WALL 24:53.000 --> 24:54.334 STREET BANKS THAT WERE 24:54.368 --> 24:54.867 IRRESPONSIBLE. 24:54.901 --> 24:56.369 THE MONEY WAS OUTSOURCED AROUND 24:56.403 --> 24:58.137 THE WORLD. 24:58.172 --> 24:59.439 WE CAN SIT ALL DAY LONG 24:59.473 --> 25:00.273 GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WAS WELL 25:00.307 --> 25:00.806 MANAGED. 25:00.841 --> 25:01.807 TELL ME ONE THAT IS. 25:01.842 --> 25:03.875 >> Tim: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT 25:03.909 --> 25:04.142 ANALYSIS? 25:04.177 --> 25:07.446 >> I AM AFRAID I HAVE TO. 25:07.480 --> 25:10.148 THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO HAVE IT'S 25:10.183 --> 25:13.618 HANDS OFF OF BUSINESS AND TREAT 25:13.652 --> 25:14.552 EVERYONE SIMILARLY. 25:14.587 --> 25:16.721 >> YOU CAN'T HAVE THE GOVERNMENT 25:16.755 --> 25:19.358 SUPPORTING THEM AND SAYING THEY 25:19.392 --> 25:20.092 SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT? 25:20.126 --> 25:22.160 >> THE LAWS ARE ON THE BOOKS. 25:22.195 --> 25:23.061 THE BANKRUPTCY LAWS OR THE 25:23.096 --> 25:23.661 BOOKS. 25:23.696 --> 25:25.530 IT COULD HAVE BEEN YEARS. 25:25.564 --> 25:27.866 IT WOULD HAVE WORKED MUCH BETTER 25:27.900 --> 25:28.733 THAN IT DID. 25:28.767 --> 25:30.235 >> SO PRESIDENT BUSH WAS WRONG? 25:30.269 --> 25:31.403 >> I SHE HAD WAS WRONG. 25:31.437 --> 25:35.507 >> I WAS A TRUSTEE OF A 25:35.541 --> 25:35.940 BANKRUPTED RAILROAD. 25:35.975 --> 25:39.511 IT WAS A STATE OWNED ENTERPRISE. 25:39.545 --> 25:40.345 WE WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH 25:40.380 --> 25:42.381 REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND 25:42.415 --> 25:43.315 INDEPENDENTS WE SAVED THE 25:43.349 --> 25:44.016 RAILROAD. 25:44.050 --> 25:45.850 DIDN'T COST TAXPAYER'S MONEY. 25:45.885 --> 25:48.153 WE SAVED TAXPAYER MONEY. 25:48.187 --> 25:50.122 >> WILL YOU SUPPORT WHOEVER THE 25:50.156 --> 25:52.057 WINNER IF IT'S NOT YOU? 25:52.091 --> 25:55.627 >> MY OBJECTIVE NOVEMBER 6th. 25:55.661 --> 25:57.362 ELECT MITT ROMNEY AS PRESIDENT. 25:57.397 --> 25:59.364 ELECT 51 REPUBLICAN SENATORS 25:59.399 --> 26:01.266 INTO THE U.S. SENATE TO MOVE AN 26:01.300 --> 26:02.866 AGENDA FORWARD. 26:02.901 --> 26:04.368 >> EITHER OF GEESE GUYS DEBATE 26:04.403 --> 26:05.569 THE NOMINATION YOU ARE ON BOARD? 26:05.603 --> 26:08.672 >> I AM ON BOARD. 26:08.706 --> 26:10.441 OKAY, GENTLEMEN. 26:10.475 --> 26:11.708 WE ARE OUT OF TIME. 26:11.743 --> 26:12.910 I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 26:12.944 --> 26:15.712 THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS, GOOD 26:15.747 --> 26:16.747 LUCK ON TUESDAY AND WE'RE ON 26:16.781 --> 26:18.782 FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE AND 26:18.816 --> 26:19.550 TWITTER. 26:19.584 --> 26:21.585 SEE YOU NEXT WEEK RIGHT HERE ON 26:21.619 --> 26:21.985 "OFF THE RECORD". 26:22.020 --> 26:22.153 ¶ 26:22.187 --> 26:32.629 ¶ 26:32.664 --> 27:07.530 ¶ 29:30.241 --> 29:33.242 Generated by CCExtractor http://ccextractor.sourceforge.net