WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:25.331 ON THE OTR PANEL THIS WEEK, WE HAVE KATIE GRAY AND BILL 00:25.333 --> 00:27.899 BALLENGER. ALONG WITH KYLE MEL LYNN. 00:27.901 --> 00:32.165 A POSSIBLE NEW PLAN FOR THE ROADS AND SCHOOLS. 00:32.167 --> 00:33.566 THE BOLINGER GRAND JURY RULING IS ON. 00:33.568 --> 00:39.098 AND LATER ON, TEA PARTY MEMBER TODD COURSER IS HERE, LEADING 00:39.100 --> 00:42.666 THE FIGHT AGAINST THE GOVERNORS MEDICAID EXPANSION BILL. 00:42.668 --> 00:47.566 ALL THIS AND MORE COMING UP RIGHT NOW ON "OFF THE RECORD." 00:47.568 --> 00:56.832 ¶[MUSIC] >> GETTING THE INK SIDE OUT, IT 00:56.834 --> 00:59.566 IS "OFF THE RECORD." 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HAGER FOX.COM. 01:45.434 --> 01:50.499 >> AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH JIM. 01:50.501 --> 01:52.665 >> THANK YOU, AND WELCOME TO OFF THE RECORD. 01:52.667 --> 01:56.265 WELL, WE HAVE A POTENTIAL UNDERSCORE POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO 01:56.267 --> 01:58.965 THE SCHOOL PROBLEM. >> DO YOU THINK, LET'S TAKE A 01:58.967 --> 02:00.999 LOOK. >> THE STATE HAS A SALES TAX ON 02:01.001 --> 02:03.898 GASOLINE THAT GENERATES ONE POINTED $2 BILLION BUT 02:03.900 --> 02:06.932 SURPRISINGLY NONE OF THAT GOES INTO ROAD REPAIRS. 02:06.934 --> 02:09.765 INSTEAD IT GOES TO SCHOOLS AND CITIES. 02:09.767 --> 02:12.965 THE SENATOR REPUBLICAN LEADER CONFIRMS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING 02:12.967 --> 02:15.265 AT EARMARKING THE TAX EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE ROADS. 02:15.267 --> 02:18.865 >> I AM IN FAVOR OF TAKING A LOOK AT FIXING THAT. 02:18.867 --> 02:21.299 >> . YOU SAID THAT $1.2 BILLION TO 02:21.301 --> 02:23.765 THE ROADS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SCHOOLS? 02:23.767 --> 02:26.932 THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC LEADSER LOOKING AT RAISING THE STATE 02:26.934 --> 02:30.732 SALES TAX BY MORE THAN A PENNY, SO THAT MORE MONEY WILL GO TO 02:30.734 --> 02:32.899 KIDS EDUCATION. >> IF YOU WANT TO ASK PEOPLE TO 02:32.901 --> 02:36.066 MAKE A GREATER SACRIFICE, THEY HAVE TO FEEL LIKE IT IS 02:36.068 --> 02:37.799 WORTHWHILE. >> THE ONE PAY DOESN'T GET YOU 02:37.801 --> 02:38.399 THERE. >> NO. 02:38.401 --> 02:41.732 >> SHOULD WE PUT ON THE BALLOT AT LEAST A $1 PENNY INCREASE TO 02:41.734 --> 02:44.566 MAKE UP THE LOST REVENUE. >> I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE 02:44.568 --> 02:47.532 THING TO ASK THE PENNY OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WHAT THEY 02:47.534 --> 02:52.365 WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THIS. >> THEY SAY THEY CAN'T GET ALL 02:52.367 --> 02:57.166 THIS PUT TOGETHER FOR A STATEWIDE VOTE IN NOVEMBER, BUT 02:57.168 --> 02:59.365 MAYBE NEXT MAY. >> MAYBE NEXT, OR MAYBE NOT. 02:59.367 --> 03:02.965 WHAT IS YOUR READ ON THIS? >> THAT WILL PROBABLY BE NEXT 03:02.967 --> 03:09.799 YEAR IF IT HAPPENS AT ALL. >> BOLINGER WAS MAKING IT SOUND 03:09.801 --> 03:12.265 LIKE THEY STILL HAVE A SHOT IN NOVEMBER. 03:12.267 --> 03:17.465 >> THERE IS SO MUCH DISCUSSION THAT HAS TO BE HAD ON IT. 03:17.467 --> 03:20.899 THEY HAVE BEEN PLAYIN PLAYING WS MEDICAID EXPANSION FOR HOW LONG 03:20.901 --> 03:24.966 NOW, AND THIS IS A BIG DEAL TOO. SO I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO 03:24.968 --> 03:26.999 HAPPEN. >> ON THE SHOT CLOCK IS GOING TO 03:27.001 --> 03:30.199 RUN OUT ON THEM, IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 03:30.201 --> 03:34.732 THEY HAVE IS -- THEY GOT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 6TH TO GET SOMETHING 03:34.734 --> 03:36.799 IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS AND THAT MEANS IT WOULD HAVE TO 03:36.801 --> 03:40.199 PASS THE HOUSE, AND THE SENATE, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE RASH SHA 03:40.201 --> 03:43.999 SHONA IN THE MIX, SO THAT'S TWO DAYS. 03:44.001 --> 03:46.698 THEY DON'T HAVE COUNTS THEY DON'T HAVE A TIME PROPOSAL. 03:46.700 --> 03:53.866 IT IS A GOOD IDEA. I CAN SEE WHERE BOTH SIDES ARE 03:53.868 --> 03:57.032 TRYING TO GO WITH THIS, BUT NOBODY HAS ANYTHING CONCRETE 03:57.034 --> 04:00.298 YET. >> THE BEAUTY OF THE PLAN, IS A 04:00.300 --> 04:02.598 COLLECTIVE 1.2 BILLION, WHICH THE STATE IS TAKING IN RIGHT 04:02.600 --> 04:03.565 NOW. >> RIGHT. 04:03.567 --> 04:07.166 >> EARMARK IT FOR THE LAWS AND THEY HAVE THE NUMBER WOULD HAVE 04:07.168 --> 04:10.766 HAVING TO VOTE FOR A TAX HIKE, RIGHT. 04:10.768 --> 04:12.531 >> NO. >> THIS IS THE OLD BAIT AND 04:12.533 --> 04:20.066 SWITCH. THE VOTERS WILL SEE THROUGH THIS 04:20.068 --> 04:22.698 AND THEY WON'T LIKE IT. IF THIS IS THEIR PLAN, I DON'T 04:22.700 --> 04:25.166 CARE WHEN, THIS IS A LOSER BIG TIME. 04:25.168 --> 04:34.766 >> WRONG. >> IF IT GETS ON THE BALLOT IT 04:34.768 --> 04:35.465 IS TOAST. >> WOW. 04:35.467 --> 04:40.932 >> IF YOU PUT EDUCATION IN THE MIX, AND YOU PLEDGING YOU ARE 04:40.934 --> 04:43.832 GOING TO DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE, THE POINT I HAVE 04:43.834 --> 04:45.832 BEEN TOLD IS THAT IT DOES BETTER. 04:45.834 --> 04:50.032 I THINK THE LAST ELECTION SHOWED IN THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY, 04:50.034 --> 04:53.431 RAISING MONEY FOR ROADS WAS A LOSER, BUT EDUCATION IS 04:53.433 --> 05:01.133 SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >> WHAT HE SAID. 05:01.135 --> 05:05.498 IT IS A DISASTER THAT'S WHY THEY CAN'T GET THE ROADS FOR IT. 05:05.500 --> 05:09.032 MAY O AUGUST EITHER. >> WHY DON'T THEY PURSUE THIS IF 05:09.034 --> 05:10.999 THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE. 05:11.001 --> 05:13.565 >> THE GOVERNOR IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON THEM, BECAUSE THEY 05:13.567 --> 05:17.933 DO WANT TO DO SOMETHING, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT ALL YEAR. 05:17.935 --> 05:20.066 THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE A TURKEY. 05:20.068 --> 05:28.066 >> AND IT ISN'T EVEN THANKSGIVING. 05:28.068 --> 05:31.432 HEY, WE ARE LETTING YOU DO IT. >> LISTEN. 05:31.434 --> 05:35.866 >> IT IS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOTED NEXT AUGUST, CAN YOU 05:35.868 --> 05:39.699 IMAGINE BE A REPUBLICAN RUNNING FOR A RENOMINATION. 05:39.701 --> 05:44.133 >> LATER WHEN NOBODY SHOWS UP, WHEN KURT SHOWS UP, THE 05:44.135 --> 05:46.732 TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION WILL SIGN UP AND THE MEA WILL SIGN 05:46.734 --> 05:48.799 UP. >> I AGREE IF THEY ARE GOING TO 05:48.801 --> 06:03.532 DO IT THE SOONER THE BETTER. GET THIS DONE IN THE YEAR BEFORE 06:03.534 --> 06:07.233 THE ELECTION YEAR. ARE YOU KIDDING ME. 06:07.235 --> 06:10.833 IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN THAN ANY OTHER TIME, THAT'S WHEN 06:10.835 --> 06:14.498 THE SCHOOL BOND ELECTIONS ARE UP, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL PEOPLE 06:14.500 --> 06:22.032 HAVE IT FIGURES OUT. MAY IS A GREAT TIME TO DO IT, I 06:22.034 --> 06:25.065 THINK THE ISSUE IS GETTING THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS TO 06:25.067 --> 06:28.165 AGREE TO SOMETHING, HAVING ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER GO FIRST, 06:28.167 --> 06:31.065 NOBODY WANTS TO GO FIRST, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE 06:31.067 --> 06:33.866 HUNG OUT TO DRY. IT IS GETTING THEM TO JUMP 06:33.868 --> 06:37.299 TOGETHER, AND THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. 06:37.301 --> 06:43.732 >> I THINK HE IS REFERRING TO GRETCHEN WHITMER, ASKING FOR TOO 06:43.734 --> 06:46.199 MUCH. >> . 06:46.201 --> 06:50.032 YOU TANGLES $500 MILLION EXTRA MONEY, YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING 06:50.034 --> 06:52.199 TO SAY HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY. 06:52.201 --> 07:05.032 >> WRONG. >> IF THEY ARE MANAGING A PUSH 07:05.034 --> 07:08.699 BACK, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT THE GAS TAX HIKE. 07:08.701 --> 07:13.032 >> THEY AREN'T GETTING ONE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, IT IS 07:13.034 --> 07:16.333 DIVERTING THE MONEY FROM THE SALES TAX, AND REPLACING IT WITH 07:16.335 --> 07:26.266 NEW MONEY FOR EDUCATION. IT IS THE OLD SHIFT SHAFT. 07:26.268 --> 07:29.532 >> THAT WILL BE A GUARANTEE THAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO THE 07:29.534 --> 07:30.199 SCHOOL. >> YES. 07:30.201 --> 07:34.766 >> AND IT IS GOING TO GO TO THE CITIES. 07:34.768 --> 07:38.866 >> NOW IT IS DOOMED. >> YEP. 07:38.868 --> 07:42.699 >> SO OFTEN THAT MONEY GETS SHIFTED SOMEPLACE ELSE. 07:42.701 --> 07:46.566 >> TO ANSWER THE PERSPECTIVE, LET'S ASSUME THEY PUT IT ON THE 07:46.568 --> 07:48.699 BALLOT AND IT FAILS. NOW WHAT? 07:48.701 --> 07:52.366 THEY HAVE NADA, SO THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK UP PLAN, LIKE 07:52.368 --> 07:58.566 THEY DID ON PROPOSAL EIGHT, KNEW THEY AREN'T GOING TO DO THE 07:58.568 --> 08:00.799 INCOME TAX, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A FALL BACK. 08:00.801 --> 08:04.799 >> WELL, THERE NEEDS TO BE A FALL BACK, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO 08:04.801 --> 08:09.632 DO SOMETHING. >> OTHERWISE YOU HAVE NADA. 08:09.634 --> 08:13.632 THE FALL BACK IN PROPOSAL A THAT WAS A CUT IN SPENDING OVERALL. 08:13.634 --> 08:15.765 THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. 08:15.767 --> 08:18.365 >> $1 MILLION ANNUALLY IS CUT OUT. 08:18.367 --> 08:23.365 THIS IS AN INCREASE. THIS IS A 1 CENTS INCREASE. 08:23.367 --> 08:28.499 >> THEY AREN'T AFRAID OF THAT. >> IF THEY HAVE A PUSH BACK FROM 08:28.501 --> 08:31.632 PEOPLE THE THINK THE TRUCK INDUSTRY, THEY ARE THE ONES 08:31.634 --> 08:34.598 RIPPING UP THE ROADS. THAT THE STANDARDS NEED TO BE 08:34.600 --> 08:37.499 BETTER, SO THE ROADS DON'T NEED TO BE REPAID EVERY TEN YEARS SO 08:37.501 --> 08:41.999 THERE IS A LOT OF PUSH BACK ON THAT. 08:42.001 --> 08:50.798 >> IF HIGHER EDUCATION COMES INTO THE MIX, SHE WANTS TO GIVE 08:50.800 --> 08:54.065 A LOT OF MONEY TO KID WHOSE ARE GOING INTO THE SCHOOL FOR HIGHER 08:54.067 --> 08:57.565 EDUCATION, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING HE IS OPPOSED TO. 08:57.567 --> 09:00.265 >> POLITICS IS THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE, WILLIAM. 09:00.267 --> 09:04.265 AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE -- I'M TRYING TO GET YOU 09:04.267 --> 09:05.865 ONBOARD HERE. >> I'M SORRY. 09:05.867 --> 09:09.532 I AM A HOLD OUT. >> OKAY. 09:09.534 --> 09:14.098 >> I AM NOT SURE SHE IS ONBOARD EITHER. 09:14.100 --> 09:18.299 >> THERE YOU GO. >> I NEVER SAID I THOUGHT IT 09:18.301 --> 09:21.899 WOULD GET ON THE BALLOT. >> OH. 09:21.901 --> 09:26.699 >> TURN OFF THE LIGHTS, FOLKS. >> I WANT TO MOVE MY RHETORIC. 09:26.701 --> 09:31.432 >> YOU ALWAYS DO THAT. >> A SOURCE TOLD ME YESTERDAY, 09:31.434 --> 09:33.066 30%. >> SO THAT'S AS GOOD AS GOLD. 09:33.068 --> 09:35.165 >> IN THIS CASE, 30% YOU CAN BUILD ON. 09:35.167 --> 09:38.999 >> THE LEADERSHIP AGAIN WHICH WE HAVE SAID ALL ALONG, TALKING 09:39.001 --> 09:42.832 ABOUT THE STATE OF THE STATE, IF YOU CAN'T FUND THIS PUPPY OFF, 09:42.834 --> 09:44.532 WHAT. >> YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE. 09:44.534 --> 09:54.865 >> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE. 09:54.867 --> 09:56.332 WAYLA, CHASE BULGER IS HOME FREE. 09:56.334 --> 10:00.966 >> YEAH. >> OBVIOUSLY STILL HAS SOME 10:00.968 --> 10:04.066 PUBLIC RELATIONS TO DO. >> THREE MONTHS AGO NOBODY 10:04.068 --> 10:11.699 REMEMBERS THE STORY. >> PROBABLY SO. 10:11.701 --> 10:15.365 HE IS STILL REALLY YOUNG. DOESN'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHO HE 10:15.367 --> 10:18.699 CAN RUN FOR. HE ALWAYS CHALLENGES A MORN FOR 10:18.701 --> 10:21.832 CONGRESS, BUT HE AND A MORN ARE KIND OF OUR FRIENDS AND I DON'T 10:21.834 --> 10:25.465 SEE THAT HAPPENING EITHER. SO HE CAN WAIT THIS OUT FOR A 10:25.467 --> 10:27.565 WHILE. HE OWNS HIS OWN BUSINESS, AND 10:27.567 --> 10:29.666 THEN HE COMES BACK IN FOUR YEARS. 10:29.668 --> 10:33.398 >> HE SAID I MADE A MISTAKE. HE DID NOTHING CRIMINAL, NEXT 10:33.400 --> 10:37.498 QUESTION. >> WELL, THE OTHER QUESTION IS 10:37.500 --> 10:42.766 WHAT HAPPENED. DOES HE RUN AGAIN FOR OFFICE. 10:42.768 --> 10:46.866 >> WOULDN'T THAT BE FUN. >> HE IS THREATENING TO. 10:46.868 --> 10:50.498 >> WHY IS IT A THREAT? >> I MAYBE WOULDN'T USE THE WORD 10:50.500 --> 10:53.265 THREAT, HE IS SUGGESTING HE MIGHT, OR HOWLED CAN I GET BACK 10:53.267 --> 10:55.231 IN THE RING, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. 10:55.233 --> 11:00.365 >> IF YOU ARE ADVISING HIM, I THINK SCHMIDT IS A TOAST ANYWAY. 11:00.367 --> 11:02.966 THAT'S TWO TOASTS IN ONE SHOW. >> EXACTLY. 11:02.968 --> 11:11.033 AND BULGER IS JUST AN ABSENCE OF A NEGATIVE, THIS VERDICT. 11:11.035 --> 11:15.066 IT'S JUST GOING TO SAY -- HE WILL BE ABLE TO SAY OKAY, I WAS 11:15.068 --> 11:20.799 FOUND NOT GUILTY, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE, EVERYBODY SAID 11:20.801 --> 11:23.332 SO, ETC. BUT THAT DOES HELP HIM RUN? 11:23.334 --> 11:26.799 >> NO. >> IF HE HAS BEEN INDICTED. 11:26.801 --> 11:34.766 >> YEAH. >> CONGRESS ASIDE,. 11:34.768 --> 11:36.933 >> . >> IN AN ERA OF TERM LIMITS YOU 11:36.935 --> 11:39.498 ARE OUT OF OFFICE TWO TO FOUR YEARS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THINGS 11:39.500 --> 11:45.632 TO RUN FOR, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE. >> WHAT BOTHERS ME, IS THAT ALL 11:45.634 --> 11:50.432 OF THIS STUFF, ALL OF THIS WORK, AND YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT. 11:50.434 --> 11:52.498 >> WELL -- >> SEALED AND SENT TO SOME 11:52.500 --> 11:54.200 COURT. >> THAT IS THE GRAND JURY LAW, 11:54.202 --> 11:58.799 THE ONE PERSON GRAND JURY LAW, AND IT PROBABLY UNFORTUNATE, AND 11:58.801 --> 12:01.332 IT IS JUST TOO BAD THAT THERE WAS ONE APPOINTED IN THE FIRST 12:01.334 --> 12:04.733 PLACE. IT WAS A TERRIBLE, DECISION, I 12:04.735 --> 12:06.200 THINK. >> TO -- 12:06.202 --> 12:10.398 >> TO GO TO A ONE PERSON PANEL. >> WHY. 12:10.400 --> 12:14.799 >> BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK WAS PREDICTABLE. 12:14.801 --> 12:20.565 >> ETCH IF SHE HAS COME ONE A FINDING THAT SHE THOUGHT SHE 12:20.567 --> 12:24.299 WOULD HAVE HAD TO FIND A PROSECUTOR TO TAKE ACTION. 12:24.301 --> 12:26.732 >> THEY HAVE ALREADY SAID HE ISN'T GUILTY. 12:26.734 --> 12:30.099 >> LET'S LOOK AT THIS ONE LITTLE PIECE. 12:30.101 --> 12:32.432 THEY WERE MIDSTREAM IN THEIR INVESTIGATION, AND IT WAS CUT 12:32.434 --> 12:36.032 SHORT. MIKE COX, KIRKPATRICK. 12:36.034 --> 12:37.932 THE STATE POLICE WANTS TO CONTINUE. 12:37.934 --> 12:40.832 IN FACT, IN THE KWAN CASE THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. 12:40.834 --> 12:45.699 CHECK IN ON THIS, KATHY. >> WELL, IT DID GET CUT SHORT, 12:45.701 --> 12:49.632 AND SENT TO A GRAND JURY. WE HAD SEEN A LOT OF THE STUFF 12:49.634 --> 12:52.365 THAT THE THE STATE POLICE HAD INVESTIGATE SOD THE EMAILS WERE 12:52.367 --> 12:54.899 OUT THERE, THE TELEPHONE RECORDS WERE OUT THERE. 12:54.901 --> 12:59.399 THE TEXT MESSAGES. BUT STILL, HOW MUCH TESTIMONY 12:59.401 --> 13:02.999 DID SHE TAKE? >> AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE WAS 13:03.001 --> 13:06.699 STILL SOME QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT MARK BREWER AND 13:06.701 --> 13:08.099 GRETCHEN BROUGHT THE REPORT FOR IT. 13:08.101 --> 13:12.766 THEY WANTED TO KNOW -- AND THERE WAS UNANSWERED QUESTION AS TO 13:12.768 --> 13:15.466 WHO GOT THIS INVOLVED IN THE FIST PLACE, AND THEY DID KNOW 13:15.468 --> 13:18.266 THAT HE DIDN'T RESIDE IN THE DISTRICT FOR WHICH YOU FILED. 13:18.268 --> 13:22.199 THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT REALLY WASN'T ANSWERED I THINK UNTIL 13:22.201 --> 13:24.333 LAST WEEK. >> THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO 13:24.335 --> 13:28.132 CRIMINALIZE POLITICAL BEHAVIOR. SCHMIDT AND BULGER ALREADY PAID 13:28.134 --> 13:32.166 A PENALTY LAST YEAR, IN IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. 13:32.168 --> 13:35.233 >> JUST FOR THE RECORD TO SHOW I TALKED TO THE JUDGE, ASKED HER 13:35.235 --> 13:39.032 TO DO THE SHOW, AND SHE RESPECTFULLY SAID I CAN'T. 13:39.034 --> 13:44.833 BUT THIS NEXT GENTLEMEN, CAN. >> A CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY 13:44.835 --> 13:47.966 REPUBLICAN THAT CAME WITHIN 85 VOTES OF BECOMING THE NEXT PARTY 13:47.968 --> 13:50.233 CHAIR. HE HAS RUN FOR THE MICHIGAN 13:50.235 --> 13:52.866 HOUSE AND SENATE, AND MOST RECENTLY FOR THE STATE BOARD OF 13:52.868 --> 13:57.966 EDUCATION. >> . 13:57.968 --> 13:59.699 >> . >> AND HOLD AS LAW DEGREE. 13:59.701 --> 14:03.899 HE IS LEADING THE CHARGE AGAINST THE MEDICAID EXPANSION PLAN. 14:03.901 --> 14:08.799 >> WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM. KYLE HAS THE FIST QUESTION. 14:08.801 --> 14:16.999 >> COMMAND SINCE THEN YOU HAVE STAYED ACTIVE BY EMAILING 14:17.001 --> 14:20.333 SUPPORTERS OR LIKE MINDED PEOPLE YOUR POSITIONS ON THINGS THAT 14:20.335 --> 14:22.866 ARE GOING ON HERE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 14:22.868 --> 14:26.699 JUST RECENTLY, YOU HAD A CALL TO ARMS THAT FOLKED SHOULD BE 14:26.701 --> 14:29.266 CALLING THEIR REPUBLICAN SENATORS AND TELLING THEM TO 14:29.268 --> 14:31.366 VOTE KNOW ON MEDICATION EXPANSION. 14:31.368 --> 14:34.833 WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING THIS EFFORT, AND IS THERE SOMETHING 14:34.835 --> 14:36.399 BIGGER AND BROADER YOU ARE RUNNING FOR? 14:36.401 --> 14:40.566 >> I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME TODAY. 14:40.568 --> 14:43.733 I THINK SINCE THE CHAIR RACE, I HAD A LOT OF FRIENDS BEFORE THE 14:43.735 --> 14:46.866 CHAIR RACE, LAST FEBRUARY, AND I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS 14:46.868 --> 14:50.466 THERE'S A MOMENT THAT'S OCCURRED, AND IT REALLY HAS LESS 14:50.468 --> 14:52.966 TO DO WITH ME THAN IT DOES WITH THE MOVEMENT. 14:52.968 --> 14:55.866 I JUST NEED TO BE THE VOICE. HUMBLING TO EVEN HAVE THE 14:55.868 --> 14:58.066 OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND SPEAK TODAY. 14:58.068 --> 15:02.733 WITH YOU FOLKS, BUT I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT OUT THERE, 15:02.735 --> 15:06.666 AMONG THE BASE OF THE FIELD, IT FEELS LIKE A SEPARATION FROM 15:06.668 --> 15:09.266 THIS SORT OF OLD YARD ESTABLISHMENT, THAT HAS RUN THE 15:09.268 --> 15:12.566 PARTY, AND THEY THEMSELVESES ARE NOW BECOME MORE COURAGEOUS, AND 15:12.568 --> 15:14.499 MORE CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN TAKE OVER THE PARTY. 15:14.501 --> 15:17.698 AND SO YOU ARE SEEING SOME OF THAT HAPPENING. 15:17.700 --> 15:20.033 MYSELF, I AM JUST VOICING WHAT IS REALLY ALREADY OUT THERE. 15:20.035 --> 15:22.765 >> SO THE GOAL IS TO TAKE OTHER THE PARTY? 15:22.767 --> 15:27.133 >> I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S BEEN THIS 15:27.135 --> 15:30.799 SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BASE, WHICH CLEARLY IS THE AREA THAT 15:30.801 --> 15:34.400 SUPPORTED ME, WE HAD THIS VERY CONSERVATIVE LIBERTY MINDED 15:34.402 --> 15:37.832 FREEDOM LOVING TEA PARTY, LIBERTARIAN COALITION, AND THEN 15:37.834 --> 15:40.233 SOME OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL, THAT SUPPORTED ME. 15:40.235 --> 15:43.732 AND I THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE REALLY THEY FEEL LIKE THE 15:43.734 --> 15:49.033 ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PARTY, DOES NOT REALLY -- IT'S NOT REALLY 15:49.035 --> 15:51.765 COMMITTED TO CONSERVATIVISM. SO THE IDEA IS THAT THEY 15:51.767 --> 15:54.465 THEMSELVES ARE TIRED OF PUTTING IN ALL THE HOURS AND THE TIME, 15:54.467 --> 15:58.266 AND ALL OF THIS ENERGY, ONLY TO SORT OF BE DISREGARDED WHEN IT 15:58.268 --> 16:02.999 COMES TO THE PARTY PLATFORM, AND ADVANCING WHAT THEY FEEL 16:03.001 --> 16:05.732 CONSERVATIVISM FOR THE BASE, IS CONVICTION. 16:05.734 --> 16:09.999 THEY FEEL THAT THE LEADERSHIP, THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PARTY 16:10.001 --> 16:13.999 FOR THEM IT IS CONVENIENT, THEY ARE JUST TALKING POINTS. 16:14.001 --> 16:18.232 >> THERE'S A FUNCTION ON THERE WHERE FOLKS CAN DONATE TO YOU. 16:18.234 --> 16:20.999 I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, WHEN FOLKS ARE GIVING MONEY, WHAT ARE 16:21.001 --> 16:24.299 THEY GIVING MONEY FOR? >> VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT 16:24.301 --> 16:27.366 DONATE -- I HAD SOME PEOPLE ASK ME, COULD YOU CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT 16:27.368 --> 16:31.899 YOU ARE INVOLVED IN. RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT, IT IS 16:31.901 --> 16:33.899 REALLY EFFORT TO CHANGE THE PARTY LEADERSHIP. 16:33.901 --> 16:38.899 >> THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> SO GOING INTO A ACCOUNT FOR 16:38.901 --> 16:42.532 PARTY SHARE RACE. >> IT COULD BE FOR A PARTY SHARE 16:42.534 --> 16:46.165 RACE, THERE'S BEEN EFFORT TO CHANGE OUT THE PARTY LEADERSHIP. 16:46.167 --> 16:49.866 THE DISCUSSIONS I HAVE HAD WE HAVE LOOKED AT ALSO THE COUNTY 16:49.868 --> 16:52.765 CHAIRS. WE LOOKED AT DISTRICT 16:52.767 --> 16:55.799 SITUATIONS. SOME OF THOSE SPOTS ARE YOU FEEL 16:55.801 --> 16:59.065 THE ESTABLISHMENT CONTROLS THESE AREAS. 16:59.067 --> 17:03.399 >> SO WHITMER ASSUMES THERE IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON. 17:03.401 --> 17:05.565 >> I THINK CIVIL WAR IS OBVIOUSLY FROM A DEMOCRAT THAT 17:05.567 --> 17:11.765 IS A FUNNY ANALOGY. I WOULD SAY MORE LIKE A 17:11.767 --> 17:16.832 FAMILY -- MY WIFE CALLS IT WHEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, HE CALLS 17:16.834 --> 17:19.131 IT INTENSE FELLOWSHIP. [LAUGHTER] 17:19.133 --> 17:23.098 >> MAYBE YOUR HOUSE IS DIFFERENT. 17:23.100 --> 17:28.699 >> INTENSE FELLOWSHIP INSIDE THE PARTY. 17:28.701 --> 17:31.999 I THINK THERE IS A HEALTHY DISCUSSION GOING ON. 17:32.001 --> 17:35.532 AND I ENCOURAGING THAT TO -- I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 17:35.534 --> 17:38.098 BY AND LARGE THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION. 17:38.100 --> 17:40.699 I FOUND THERE IS A LACK OF RELATIONSHIPS AMONG THESE 17:40.701 --> 17:44.999 DIFFERENT GROUPS. ALL OF THESE VARIOUS LIBERTY 17:45.001 --> 17:47.832 GROUPS AND TEA PARTY GROUPS AND ALL OF THEIR VARIOUS FORMS AND 17:47.834 --> 17:51.465 AROUND THE STATE, AND I HAVE BEEN TO A BUNCH OF THEM. 17:51.467 --> 17:55.131 AND I KNOW THE LEADERSHIP FOR A LOT OF THEM, PERSONALLY. 17:55.133 --> 17:56.832 >> DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNOR DOES. 17:56.834 --> 17:58.966 >> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW AMONG THE BASE, I 17:58.968 --> 18:03.098 DON'T KNOW THAT HE IS REALLY AS IN TOUCH WITH THE BASE OF THE 18:03.100 --> 18:06.398 PARTY, ITSELF. I THINK THERE'S A DISCONNECT, 18:06.400 --> 18:09.465 REALLY, TO WHERE HE IS GOING POLITICALLY, AND WHERE THE PARTY 18:09.467 --> 18:13.165 WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- OR WHERE THE BASE OF THE PARTY WOULD LIKE 18:13.167 --> 18:17.232 TO SEE IT. WHEN YOU HAVE A REP GOVERNOR, 18:17.234 --> 18:19.032 THIS IS JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL TERMS. 18:19.034 --> 18:23.332 IN OUR STATE, WHEN YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND OTHER 18:23.334 --> 18:25.965 STATES WHERE THE SITUATION IS THEY DON'T REALLY WANT A STRONG 18:25.967 --> 18:28.565 PARTY. THEY DON'T REALLY WANT A STRONG 18:28.567 --> 18:32.132 PARTY, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SET THE AGENDA, AND IT CAN BE AN 18:32.134 --> 18:35.732 AFFRONT TO THEIR OWN SITUATION. SO IF YOU HAVE A STRONG PARTY 18:35.734 --> 18:37.898 CHAIR, WHICH IS A CONSERVATIVE, WHICH IS WHAT WOULD HAVE 18:37.900 --> 18:41.765 HAPPENED IF I WAS THE CHAIR, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MEGAPHONE 18:41.767 --> 18:50.198 FOR SPEAKING ABOUT CONSERVATIVISM. 18:50.200 --> 18:52.332 IT HAS REALLY LACKED THAT COMPONENT. 18:52.334 --> 18:55.132 >> DO YOU THINK THERE CAN BE A RECONCILIATION BETWEEN THE BASE 18:55.134 --> 18:56.798 AND THE PEOPLE RUNNING RIGHT NOW? 18:56.800 --> 18:57.898 IS. >> ABSOLUTELY. 18:57.900 --> 19:01.398 I REACHED OUT MYSELF, BEFORE I STARTED ON THIS TOUR, AND PEOPLE 19:01.400 --> 19:03.798 SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING OUT THERE. 19:03.800 --> 19:05.999 REALLY, IT IS MY LOVE FOR THE BASE. 19:06.001 --> 19:10.032 I HAVE A LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE PARTY. 19:10.034 --> 19:19.032 AND IT ISN'T TO BE AN OFFENSE TO THE LEADERSHIP. 19:19.034 --> 19:23.232 I REALLY FELT. EVERYBODY ELSE FELL AWAY, BUT 19:23.234 --> 19:25.599 THERE NEEDED TO BE A DISCUSSION THAT WAS AIRED IN THE 19:25.601 --> 19:28.432 CONVENTION. AND SO WHEN I CAME OUT, AND THAT 19:28.434 --> 19:31.899 HAPPENED THERE WAS SORT OF NOW FINALLY, THE 900-POUND GORILLA 19:31.901 --> 19:34.132 IN THE ROOM IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 19:34.134 --> 19:40.066 FACT THAT WE ARE NOT A UNIFIED BODY. 19:40.068 --> 19:42.532 THAT THERE IS SEPARATION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T WORK 19:42.534 --> 19:45.432 FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE A MODERATION FROM MIAMIS, THAT'S 19:45.434 --> 19:48.132 NOT THE CASE. WE NEED TO SIT DOWN, AND DISCUSS 19:48.134 --> 19:50.499 THAT, AND DEVELOP THE RELATIONSHIPS AND FIGURE OUT 19:50.501 --> 19:53.499 WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. >> WHAT ABOUT THE TWO BIG STATE 19:53.501 --> 19:58.099 ISSUES WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, MEDICAID EXPANSE, UNDER 19:58.101 --> 20:01.999 OBAMA CARE, AND ALSO THIS EFFORT TO PUT A PROPOSAL ON THE BALLOT 20:02.001 --> 20:06.099 TO FIND MONEY TO IMPROVE ROADS AND PERHAPS THROW ON SOME STUFF 20:06.101 --> 20:14.632 FOR EDUCATION TOO. >> THAT MAY MAKE SENSE IN THE 20:14.634 --> 20:19.632 OLD MODEL. YOU ALSO HAVE THAT CONTINUED 20:19.634 --> 20:22.431 LIBBERRISM IN THEIR SPECTRUMS, MYSELF LOOKING AT THOSE I THINK 20:22.433 --> 20:26.866 THEY ARE BOTH AN OFFENSE TO THE BASE. 20:26.868 --> 20:29.932 AS THE GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO DO THAT, THE MODERATES WHO WILL 20:29.934 --> 20:32.331 VOTE FOR SHOWER. ARE YOU REALLY HARD TO THE 20:32.333 --> 20:35.233 RIGHT, WITH THE RIGHT TO WORK, AND GOD BLESS HIM FOR DOING IT, 20:35.235 --> 20:39.331 REALLY. I THINK HE HAS DONE A TERRIFIC 20:39.333 --> 20:43.233 JOB IN PASSING THAT, BUT I THINK HE WAS EXPOSED ON HIS LEFT SIDE, 20:43.235 --> 20:47.531 IS REALLY WHAT HAPPENED. SO NOW YOU COME BACK, -- THE 20:47.533 --> 20:52.598 FIRST RULING WE DO NOT HAVE TO -- THE MEDICAID THING, WE 20:52.600 --> 20:54.531 HAVE THE OPTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED 20:54.533 --> 20:59.832 IN THAT. SO WE DON'T NEED A REPUBLICAN 20:59.834 --> 21:03.265 HOUSE AND A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR ADVANCING THE AGENDA. 21:03.267 --> 21:06.665 WE DO NOT NEED THAT. TEN THE IDEA IS IF WE GOING IN 21:06.667 --> 21:12.431 THAT DIRECTION, THE DEMOCRATS CAN P IN CHARGE. 21:12.433 --> 21:17.200 LET'S SAY THERE'S A TIE VOTE, AND THEY BREAK THE TIE TO PASS 21:17.202 --> 21:20.799 THE EXPANSION, WOULD YOU SAY THAT HE IS IN DEEP DO DO? 21:20.801 --> 21:24.999 >> HERE IS YOU PRIMARY TO YOU. >> NOT A PRIMARY. 21:25.001 --> 21:27.799 I'M SAYING PRIMARY TO THE CONVENTION. 21:27.801 --> 21:29.665 >> AND WOULD THE CHALLENGE BEAR SUCCESSFUL YOU THINK? 21:29.667 --> 21:31.899 >> I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE. 21:31.901 --> 21:34.966 RIGHT NOW THERE IS THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DICTATED TO 21:34.968 --> 21:38.233 FROM AS FAR AS THE BASE, AND THIS ISN'T JUST ME. 21:38.235 --> 21:42.166 I'M -- I DON'T SPEAK FOR -- I'M NOT THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE OF THE 21:42.168 --> 21:44.099 PARTY, I AM JUST ONE VOICE IN IT. 21:44.101 --> 21:46.833 THERE SHALL PLENTY OF LEADERS OUT THERE. 21:46.835 --> 21:49.933 IT'S NOT MY MOVEMENT, IT IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE. 21:49.935 --> 21:56.233 I AM JUST GIVING MY SENSE OF IT. SIX IT IS OFFENSETIVE THE PEOPLE 21:56.235 --> 21:59.565 THAT ARE PUTTING IN THE HOURS AND THE PARTY TO TRY TO GET 21:59.567 --> 22:06.432 PEOPLE ELECTS SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND WORK. 22:06.434 --> 22:14.200 PI AND LARGE THEY WON'T GO OUT AND GET THEM ELECTS. 22:14.202 --> 22:24.665 I THIS THAT MYSELF, PERSONALLY. I THINK MOST OF YOU SAW IT. 22:24.667 --> 22:29.165 RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE THAT WAS THREE YEARS AGO. 22:29.167 --> 22:42.366 >> RIGHT AS WE SAID PRESENTLY, THIS IS THE FAMILY FEUD GOING 22:42.368 --> 22:47.932 ON. AS LONG AS THAT CONTINUES LEFT, 22:47.934 --> 22:50.866 MEANING THE LEADERSHIP, WHETHER THEY ARE DIRECTED LEADERSHIP OR 22:50.868 --> 22:53.432 IS PARTY, AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE ON THAT TO THE LEFT, 22:53.434 --> 22:57.065 WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT IS GOING TO BE EXPOSED ON THE LEFT 22:57.067 --> 23:04.965 LANE. >> IN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, I 23:04.967 --> 23:08.532 HAD CHARGES IN WISCONSIN RELATED TO AN INCIDENT INVOLVED A GUN 23:08.534 --> 23:11.299 AND SO FORTH. DO YOU THINK THOSE TYPES -- THAT 23:11.301 --> 23:20.466 KIND OF A STORY HURTS THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT IN ANY WAY. 23:20.468 --> 23:25.466 I THINK THAT THAT HAPPENS INSIDE OF THE EVERY ORGANIZE THAT IS 23:25.468 --> 23:32.799 UPSET WITH THE POWER OF THIS -- THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT. 23:32.801 --> 23:37.399 THERE IS TEA PARTIES -- THEY ARE JUST FOR THEMSELVES OR THE 23:37.401 --> 23:40.266 RELATIONSHIP THEY HAVE. THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM. 23:40.268 --> 23:43.699 I WOULDN'T WHAT IS YOUR NAME, AND WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM?S 23:43.701 --> 23:45.199 BUT THERE ARE GOD FARING, HONEST, FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE 23:45.201 --> 23:48.466 WHO ARE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY ARE COMPELLED EVERY 23:48.468 --> 23:53.166 MORNING TO GET UP AND DO WHAT THEY CAN TO TRY TO SAVE THE 23:53.168 --> 23:55.433 REPUBLICAN. >> IN THIS CASE, THIS GUY IS A 23:55.435 --> 23:59.032 SUPPORTER OF YOURS, THAT COULD HURT THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS 23:59.034 --> 24:02.433 MOVEMENT IN MICHIGAN. >> WELL, NO, I DON'T THINK SO. 24:02.435 --> 24:06.833 I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT THESE TEA PARTY 24:06.835 --> 24:10.399 FOLKS. THE TEA PARTY HAS BEEN SCOURGED, 24:10.401 --> 24:13.933 IT HAS BEEN THROUGH THE FIRE, NOW YOU HAVE A GROUP OF 24:13.935 --> 24:17.732 ACTIVISTS I WOULD SAY ARE A COUPLE YEARS OLDER, AND THEY 24:17.734 --> 24:20.532 KNOW HOW TO SHOW UP AND PUT OUT A PHONE CAMPAIGN. 24:20.534 --> 24:23.433 THEY KNOW HOW TO DO AN EMAIL CAMPAIGN. 24:23.435 --> 24:27.499 EVERYBODY GREW UP A WHOLE BUNCH I WOULD SAY THROUGH THE RIGHT TO 24:27.501 --> 24:36.466 WORK EFFORT. I WOULD SAY. 24:36.468 --> 24:39.766 SO THEY KNOW HOW TO GO OUT AND WORK IN THE BACKGROUND, AND MAKE 24:39.768 --> 24:41.632 SURE THEY GET DONE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 24:41.634 --> 24:44.499 >> IN REGARD TO TORQUE, YOU HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING A 24:44.501 --> 24:48.399 PRIMARY OPPONENT FOR A SENATOR WHO MIGHT VOTE YES ON MEDICAID, 24:48.401 --> 24:50.266 IS THAT CORRECT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. 24:50.268 --> 24:55.132 >> THAT'S ONE. DOES THAT SEND A MESSAGE? 24:55.134 --> 24:57.699 >> I DON'T KNOW. WE GOT CALLED TO ARMS. 24:57.701 --> 25:00.699 I HAVE HAD THREE DISCUSSIONS ON THE WAY OVER HERE, THREE PHONE 25:00.701 --> 25:04.566 CALLS FROM FOLKS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU READ SOME OF MY 25:04.568 --> 25:08.132 STUFF, AND IT ISN'T JUST TO BE DRAMATIC OUT THERE, BUT I THINK 25:08.134 --> 25:12.532 WHAT IS HAPPENING IS MANY THE BACKGROUND, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT 25:12.534 --> 25:16.532 ARE UPSET ENOUGH, THAT NOW THEY ARE OVERCOMING THEIR FEAR, THAT 25:16.534 --> 25:21.999 SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP FORWARD AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN 25:22.001 --> 25:30.732 THEIR DISTRICT. >> I DON'T THINK IT IS 25:30.734 --> 25:33.265 THREATENING I THINK THEY JUST NEED TO LOOK HARD AT THIS VOTE. 25:33.267 --> 25:36.632 >> YOU MAY HAVE AN INTENSE FELLOWSHIP DISCUSSION. 25:36.634 --> 25:46.065 >> I THINK WE SHOULD. I REMEMBER IT'S NOT THEIR 25:46.067 --> 25:49.765 GOVERNMENT, IT IS OURS. >> WOULD YOU VOTE FOR PROVIDER 25:49.767 --> 25:52.198 IS IT A YES OR NO. >> CONSIDERING MY OTHER OPTION, 25:52.200 --> 25:55.165 WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DO, YES. 25:55.167 --> 26:00.999 WOULD GO OUT AND PUT THE EFFORT IN TO WORK FOR HIM, I AM HOPING 26:01.001 --> 26:03.698 HE WILL COME BACK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, AND TACKLE FURTHER TO 26:03.700 --> 26:07.999 THE RIGHT. I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ANT 26:08.001 --> 26:08.899 PRIMARYING HIM. >> THANK YOU. 26:08.901 --> 26:15.665 >> GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. >> THANK YOU ALL. 26:15.667 --> 26:18.799 NEXT WEEK, BRIAN CALIE, MAYBE YOU WILL WATCH. 26:18.801 --> 26:21.732 SEE YOU THEN. 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