1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:25,331 ON THE OTR PANEL THIS WEEK, WE HAVE KATIE GRAY AND BILL 2 00:00:25,333 --> 00:00:27,899 BALLENGER. ALONG WITH KYLE MEL LYNN. 3 00:00:27,901 --> 00:00:32,165 A POSSIBLE NEW PLAN FOR THE ROADS AND SCHOOLS. 4 00:00:32,167 --> 00:00:33,566 THE BOLINGER GRAND JURY RULING IS ON. 5 00:00:33,568 --> 00:00:39,098 AND LATER ON, TEA PARTY MEMBER TODD COURSER IS HERE, LEADING 6 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:42,666 THE FIGHT AGAINST THE GOVERNORS MEDICAID EXPANSION BILL. 7 00:00:42,668 --> 00:00:47,566 ALL THIS AND MORE COMING UP RIGHT NOW ON "OFF THE RECORD." 8 00:00:47,568 --> 00:00:56,832 ¶[MUSIC] >> GETTING THE INK SIDE OUT, IT 9 00:00:56,834 --> 00:00:59,566 IS "OFF THE RECORD." 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HAGER FOX.COM. 23 00:01:45,434 --> 00:01:50,499 >> AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH JIM. 24 00:01:50,501 --> 00:01:52,665 >> THANK YOU, AND WELCOME TO OFF THE RECORD. 25 00:01:52,667 --> 00:01:56,265 WELL, WE HAVE A POTENTIAL UNDERSCORE POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO 26 00:01:56,267 --> 00:01:58,965 THE SCHOOL PROBLEM. >> DO YOU THINK, LET'S TAKE A 27 00:01:58,967 --> 00:02:00,999 LOOK. >> THE STATE HAS A SALES TAX ON 28 00:02:01,001 --> 00:02:03,898 GASOLINE THAT GENERATES ONE POINTED $2 BILLION BUT 29 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:06,932 SURPRISINGLY NONE OF THAT GOES INTO ROAD REPAIRS. 30 00:02:06,934 --> 00:02:09,765 INSTEAD IT GOES TO SCHOOLS AND CITIES. 31 00:02:09,767 --> 00:02:12,965 THE SENATOR REPUBLICAN LEADER CONFIRMS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING 32 00:02:12,967 --> 00:02:15,265 AT EARMARKING THE TAX EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE ROADS. 33 00:02:15,267 --> 00:02:18,865 >> I AM IN FAVOR OF TAKING A LOOK AT FIXING THAT. 34 00:02:18,867 --> 00:02:21,299 >> . YOU SAID THAT $1.2 BILLION TO 35 00:02:21,301 --> 00:02:23,765 THE ROADS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SCHOOLS? 36 00:02:23,767 --> 00:02:26,932 THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC LEADSER LOOKING AT RAISING THE STATE 37 00:02:26,934 --> 00:02:30,732 SALES TAX BY MORE THAN A PENNY, SO THAT MORE MONEY WILL GO TO 38 00:02:30,734 --> 00:02:32,899 KIDS EDUCATION. >> IF YOU WANT TO ASK PEOPLE TO 39 00:02:32,901 --> 00:02:36,066 MAKE A GREATER SACRIFICE, THEY HAVE TO FEEL LIKE IT IS 40 00:02:36,068 --> 00:02:37,799 WORTHWHILE. >> THE ONE PAY DOESN'T GET YOU 41 00:02:37,801 --> 00:02:38,399 THERE. >> NO. 42 00:02:38,401 --> 00:02:41,732 >> SHOULD WE PUT ON THE BALLOT AT LEAST A $1 PENNY INCREASE TO 43 00:02:41,734 --> 00:02:44,566 MAKE UP THE LOST REVENUE. >> I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE 44 00:02:44,568 --> 00:02:47,532 THING TO ASK THE PENNY OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WHAT THEY 45 00:02:47,534 --> 00:02:52,365 WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THIS. >> THEY SAY THEY CAN'T GET ALL 46 00:02:52,367 --> 00:02:57,166 THIS PUT TOGETHER FOR A STATEWIDE VOTE IN NOVEMBER, BUT 47 00:02:57,168 --> 00:02:59,365 MAYBE NEXT MAY. >> MAYBE NEXT, OR MAYBE NOT. 48 00:02:59,367 --> 00:03:02,965 WHAT IS YOUR READ ON THIS? >> THAT WILL PROBABLY BE NEXT 49 00:03:02,967 --> 00:03:09,799 YEAR IF IT HAPPENS AT ALL. >> BOLINGER WAS MAKING IT SOUND 50 00:03:09,801 --> 00:03:12,265 LIKE THEY STILL HAVE A SHOT IN NOVEMBER. 51 00:03:12,267 --> 00:03:17,465 >> THERE IS SO MUCH DISCUSSION THAT HAS TO BE HAD ON IT. 52 00:03:17,467 --> 00:03:20,899 THEY HAVE BEEN PLAYIN PLAYING WS MEDICAID EXPANSION FOR HOW LONG 53 00:03:20,901 --> 00:03:24,966 NOW, AND THIS IS A BIG DEAL TOO. SO I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO 54 00:03:24,968 --> 00:03:26,999 HAPPEN. >> ON THE SHOT CLOCK IS GOING TO 55 00:03:27,001 --> 00:03:30,199 RUN OUT ON THEM, IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 56 00:03:30,201 --> 00:03:34,732 THEY HAVE IS -- THEY GOT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 6TH TO GET SOMETHING 57 00:03:34,734 --> 00:03:36,799 IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS AND THAT MEANS IT WOULD HAVE TO 58 00:03:36,801 --> 00:03:40,199 PASS THE HOUSE, AND THE SENATE, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE RASH SHA 59 00:03:40,201 --> 00:03:43,999 SHONA IN THE MIX, SO THAT'S TWO DAYS. 60 00:03:44,001 --> 00:03:46,698 THEY DON'T HAVE COUNTS THEY DON'T HAVE A TIME PROPOSAL. 61 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:53,866 IT IS A GOOD IDEA. I CAN SEE WHERE BOTH SIDES ARE 62 00:03:53,868 --> 00:03:57,032 TRYING TO GO WITH THIS, BUT NOBODY HAS ANYTHING CONCRETE 63 00:03:57,034 --> 00:04:00,298 YET. >> THE BEAUTY OF THE PLAN, IS A 64 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:02,598 COLLECTIVE 1.2 BILLION, WHICH THE STATE IS TAKING IN RIGHT 65 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,565 NOW. >> RIGHT. 66 00:04:03,567 --> 00:04:07,166 >> EARMARK IT FOR THE LAWS AND THEY HAVE THE NUMBER WOULD HAVE 67 00:04:07,168 --> 00:04:10,766 HAVING TO VOTE FOR A TAX HIKE, RIGHT. 68 00:04:10,768 --> 00:04:12,531 >> NO. >> THIS IS THE OLD BAIT AND 69 00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:20,066 SWITCH. THE VOTERS WILL SEE THROUGH THIS 70 00:04:20,068 --> 00:04:22,698 AND THEY WON'T LIKE IT. IF THIS IS THEIR PLAN, I DON'T 71 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:25,166 CARE WHEN, THIS IS A LOSER BIG TIME. 72 00:04:25,168 --> 00:04:34,766 >> WRONG. >> IF IT GETS ON THE BALLOT IT 73 00:04:34,768 --> 00:04:35,465 IS TOAST. >> WOW. 74 00:04:35,467 --> 00:04:40,932 >> IF YOU PUT EDUCATION IN THE MIX, AND YOU PLEDGING YOU ARE 75 00:04:40,934 --> 00:04:43,832 GOING TO DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE, THE POINT I HAVE 76 00:04:43,834 --> 00:04:45,832 BEEN TOLD IS THAT IT DOES BETTER. 77 00:04:45,834 --> 00:04:50,032 I THINK THE LAST ELECTION SHOWED IN THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY, 78 00:04:50,034 --> 00:04:53,431 RAISING MONEY FOR ROADS WAS A LOSER, BUT EDUCATION IS 79 00:04:53,433 --> 00:05:01,133 SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >> WHAT HE SAID. 80 00:05:01,135 --> 00:05:05,498 IT IS A DISASTER THAT'S WHY THEY CAN'T GET THE ROADS FOR IT. 81 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:09,032 MAY O AUGUST EITHER. >> WHY DON'T THEY PURSUE THIS IF 82 00:05:09,034 --> 00:05:10,999 THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE. 83 00:05:11,001 --> 00:05:13,565 >> THE GOVERNOR IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON THEM, BECAUSE THEY 84 00:05:13,567 --> 00:05:17,933 DO WANT TO DO SOMETHING, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT ALL YEAR. 85 00:05:17,935 --> 00:05:20,066 THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE A TURKEY. 86 00:05:20,068 --> 00:05:28,066 >> AND IT ISN'T EVEN THANKSGIVING. 87 00:05:28,068 --> 00:05:31,432 HEY, WE ARE LETTING YOU DO IT. >> LISTEN. 88 00:05:31,434 --> 00:05:35,866 >> IT IS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOTED NEXT AUGUST, CAN YOU 89 00:05:35,868 --> 00:05:39,699 IMAGINE BE A REPUBLICAN RUNNING FOR A RENOMINATION. 90 00:05:39,701 --> 00:05:44,133 >> LATER WHEN NOBODY SHOWS UP, WHEN KURT SHOWS UP, THE 91 00:05:44,135 --> 00:05:46,732 TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION WILL SIGN UP AND THE MEA WILL SIGN 92 00:05:46,734 --> 00:05:48,799 UP. >> I AGREE IF THEY ARE GOING TO 93 00:05:48,801 --> 00:06:03,532 DO IT THE SOONER THE BETTER. GET THIS DONE IN THE YEAR BEFORE 94 00:06:03,534 --> 00:06:07,233 THE ELECTION YEAR. ARE YOU KIDDING ME. 95 00:06:07,235 --> 00:06:10,833 IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN THAN ANY OTHER TIME, THAT'S WHEN 96 00:06:10,835 --> 00:06:14,498 THE SCHOOL BOND ELECTIONS ARE UP, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL PEOPLE 97 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:22,032 HAVE IT FIGURES OUT. MAY IS A GREAT TIME TO DO IT, I 98 00:06:22,034 --> 00:06:25,065 THINK THE ISSUE IS GETTING THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS TO 99 00:06:25,067 --> 00:06:28,165 AGREE TO SOMETHING, HAVING ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER GO FIRST, 100 00:06:28,167 --> 00:06:31,065 NOBODY WANTS TO GO FIRST, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE 101 00:06:31,067 --> 00:06:33,866 HUNG OUT TO DRY. IT IS GETTING THEM TO JUMP 102 00:06:33,868 --> 00:06:37,299 TOGETHER, AND THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. 103 00:06:37,301 --> 00:06:43,732 >> I THINK HE IS REFERRING TO GRETCHEN WHITMER, ASKING FOR TOO 104 00:06:43,734 --> 00:06:46,199 MUCH. >> . 105 00:06:46,201 --> 00:06:50,032 YOU TANGLES $500 MILLION EXTRA MONEY, YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING 106 00:06:50,034 --> 00:06:52,199 TO SAY HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY. 107 00:06:52,201 --> 00:07:05,032 >> WRONG. >> IF THEY ARE MANAGING A PUSH 108 00:07:05,034 --> 00:07:08,699 BACK, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT THE GAS TAX HIKE. 109 00:07:08,701 --> 00:07:13,032 >> THEY AREN'T GETTING ONE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, IT IS 110 00:07:13,034 --> 00:07:16,333 DIVERTING THE MONEY FROM THE SALES TAX, AND REPLACING IT WITH 111 00:07:16,335 --> 00:07:26,266 NEW MONEY FOR EDUCATION. IT IS THE OLD SHIFT SHAFT. 112 00:07:26,268 --> 00:07:29,532 >> THAT WILL BE A GUARANTEE THAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO THE 113 00:07:29,534 --> 00:07:30,199 SCHOOL. >> YES. 114 00:07:30,201 --> 00:07:34,766 >> AND IT IS GOING TO GO TO THE CITIES. 115 00:07:34,768 --> 00:07:38,866 >> NOW IT IS DOOMED. >> YEP. 116 00:07:38,868 --> 00:07:42,699 >> SO OFTEN THAT MONEY GETS SHIFTED SOMEPLACE ELSE. 117 00:07:42,701 --> 00:07:46,566 >> TO ANSWER THE PERSPECTIVE, LET'S ASSUME THEY PUT IT ON THE 118 00:07:46,568 --> 00:07:48,699 BALLOT AND IT FAILS. NOW WHAT? 119 00:07:48,701 --> 00:07:52,366 THEY HAVE NADA, SO THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK UP PLAN, LIKE 120 00:07:52,368 --> 00:07:58,566 THEY DID ON PROPOSAL EIGHT, KNEW THEY AREN'T GOING TO DO THE 121 00:07:58,568 --> 00:08:00,799 INCOME TAX, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A FALL BACK. 122 00:08:00,801 --> 00:08:04,799 >> WELL, THERE NEEDS TO BE A FALL BACK, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO 123 00:08:04,801 --> 00:08:09,632 DO SOMETHING. >> OTHERWISE YOU HAVE NADA. 124 00:08:09,634 --> 00:08:13,632 THE FALL BACK IN PROPOSAL A THAT WAS A CUT IN SPENDING OVERALL. 125 00:08:13,634 --> 00:08:15,765 THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. 126 00:08:15,767 --> 00:08:18,365 >> $1 MILLION ANNUALLY IS CUT OUT. 127 00:08:18,367 --> 00:08:23,365 THIS IS AN INCREASE. THIS IS A 1 CENTS INCREASE. 128 00:08:23,367 --> 00:08:28,499 >> THEY AREN'T AFRAID OF THAT. >> IF THEY HAVE A PUSH BACK FROM 129 00:08:28,501 --> 00:08:31,632 PEOPLE THE THINK THE TRUCK INDUSTRY, THEY ARE THE ONES 130 00:08:31,634 --> 00:08:34,598 RIPPING UP THE ROADS. THAT THE STANDARDS NEED TO BE 131 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,499 BETTER, SO THE ROADS DON'T NEED TO BE REPAID EVERY TEN YEARS SO 132 00:08:37,501 --> 00:08:41,999 THERE IS A LOT OF PUSH BACK ON THAT. 133 00:08:42,001 --> 00:08:50,798 >> IF HIGHER EDUCATION COMES INTO THE MIX, SHE WANTS TO GIVE 134 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,065 A LOT OF MONEY TO KID WHOSE ARE GOING INTO THE SCHOOL FOR HIGHER 135 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:57,565 EDUCATION, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING HE IS OPPOSED TO. 136 00:08:57,567 --> 00:09:00,265 >> POLITICS IS THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE, WILLIAM. 137 00:09:00,267 --> 00:09:04,265 AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE -- I'M TRYING TO GET YOU 138 00:09:04,267 --> 00:09:05,865 ONBOARD HERE. >> I'M SORRY. 139 00:09:05,867 --> 00:09:09,532 I AM A HOLD OUT. >> OKAY. 140 00:09:09,534 --> 00:09:14,098 >> I AM NOT SURE SHE IS ONBOARD EITHER. 141 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:18,299 >> THERE YOU GO. >> I NEVER SAID I THOUGHT IT 142 00:09:18,301 --> 00:09:21,899 WOULD GET ON THE BALLOT. >> OH. 143 00:09:21,901 --> 00:09:26,699 >> TURN OFF THE LIGHTS, FOLKS. >> I WANT TO MOVE MY RHETORIC. 144 00:09:26,701 --> 00:09:31,432 >> YOU ALWAYS DO THAT. >> A SOURCE TOLD ME YESTERDAY, 145 00:09:31,434 --> 00:09:33,066 30%. >> SO THAT'S AS GOOD AS GOLD. 146 00:09:33,068 --> 00:09:35,165 >> IN THIS CASE, 30% YOU CAN BUILD ON. 147 00:09:35,167 --> 00:09:38,999 >> THE LEADERSHIP AGAIN WHICH WE HAVE SAID ALL ALONG, TALKING 148 00:09:39,001 --> 00:09:42,832 ABOUT THE STATE OF THE STATE, IF YOU CAN'T FUND THIS PUPPY OFF, 149 00:09:42,834 --> 00:09:44,532 WHAT. >> YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE. 150 00:09:44,534 --> 00:09:54,865 >> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE. 151 00:09:54,867 --> 00:09:56,332 WAYLA, CHASE BULGER IS HOME FREE. 152 00:09:56,334 --> 00:10:00,966 >> YEAH. >> OBVIOUSLY STILL HAS SOME 153 00:10:00,968 --> 00:10:04,066 PUBLIC RELATIONS TO DO. >> THREE MONTHS AGO NOBODY 154 00:10:04,068 --> 00:10:11,699 REMEMBERS THE STORY. >> PROBABLY SO. 155 00:10:11,701 --> 00:10:15,365 HE IS STILL REALLY YOUNG. DOESN'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHO HE 156 00:10:15,367 --> 00:10:18,699 CAN RUN FOR. HE ALWAYS CHALLENGES A MORN FOR 157 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:21,832 CONGRESS, BUT HE AND A MORN ARE KIND OF OUR FRIENDS AND I DON'T 158 00:10:21,834 --> 00:10:25,465 SEE THAT HAPPENING EITHER. SO HE CAN WAIT THIS OUT FOR A 159 00:10:25,467 --> 00:10:27,565 WHILE. HE OWNS HIS OWN BUSINESS, AND 160 00:10:27,567 --> 00:10:29,666 THEN HE COMES BACK IN FOUR YEARS. 161 00:10:29,668 --> 00:10:33,398 >> HE SAID I MADE A MISTAKE. HE DID NOTHING CRIMINAL, NEXT 162 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,498 QUESTION. >> WELL, THE OTHER QUESTION IS 163 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:42,766 WHAT HAPPENED. DOES HE RUN AGAIN FOR OFFICE. 164 00:10:42,768 --> 00:10:46,866 >> WOULDN'T THAT BE FUN. >> HE IS THREATENING TO. 165 00:10:46,868 --> 00:10:50,498 >> WHY IS IT A THREAT? >> I MAYBE WOULDN'T USE THE WORD 166 00:10:50,500 --> 00:10:53,265 THREAT, HE IS SUGGESTING HE MIGHT, OR HOWLED CAN I GET BACK 167 00:10:53,267 --> 00:10:55,231 IN THE RING, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. 168 00:10:55,233 --> 00:11:00,365 >> IF YOU ARE ADVISING HIM, I THINK SCHMIDT IS A TOAST ANYWAY. 169 00:11:00,367 --> 00:11:02,966 THAT'S TWO TOASTS IN ONE SHOW. >> EXACTLY. 170 00:11:02,968 --> 00:11:11,033 AND BULGER IS JUST AN ABSENCE OF A NEGATIVE, THIS VERDICT. 171 00:11:11,035 --> 00:11:15,066 IT'S JUST GOING TO SAY -- HE WILL BE ABLE TO SAY OKAY, I WAS 172 00:11:15,068 --> 00:11:20,799 FOUND NOT GUILTY, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE, EVERYBODY SAID 173 00:11:20,801 --> 00:11:23,332 SO, ETC. BUT THAT DOES HELP HIM RUN? 174 00:11:23,334 --> 00:11:26,799 >> NO. >> IF HE HAS BEEN INDICTED. 175 00:11:26,801 --> 00:11:34,766 >> YEAH. >> CONGRESS ASIDE,. 176 00:11:34,768 --> 00:11:36,933 >> . >> IN AN ERA OF TERM LIMITS YOU 177 00:11:36,935 --> 00:11:39,498 ARE OUT OF OFFICE TWO TO FOUR YEARS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THINGS 178 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:45,632 TO RUN FOR, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE. >> WHAT BOTHERS ME, IS THAT ALL 179 00:11:45,634 --> 00:11:50,432 OF THIS STUFF, ALL OF THIS WORK, AND YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT. 180 00:11:50,434 --> 00:11:52,498 >> WELL -- >> SEALED AND SENT TO SOME 181 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:54,200 COURT. >> THAT IS THE GRAND JURY LAW, 182 00:11:54,202 --> 00:11:58,799 THE ONE PERSON GRAND JURY LAW, AND IT PROBABLY UNFORTUNATE, AND 183 00:11:58,801 --> 00:12:01,332 IT IS JUST TOO BAD THAT THERE WAS ONE APPOINTED IN THE FIRST 184 00:12:01,334 --> 00:12:04,733 PLACE. IT WAS A TERRIBLE, DECISION, I 185 00:12:04,735 --> 00:12:06,200 THINK. >> TO -- 186 00:12:06,202 --> 00:12:10,398 >> TO GO TO A ONE PERSON PANEL. >> WHY. 187 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,799 >> BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK WAS PREDICTABLE. 188 00:12:14,801 --> 00:12:20,565 >> ETCH IF SHE HAS COME ONE A FINDING THAT SHE THOUGHT SHE 189 00:12:20,567 --> 00:12:24,299 WOULD HAVE HAD TO FIND A PROSECUTOR TO TAKE ACTION. 190 00:12:24,301 --> 00:12:26,732 >> THEY HAVE ALREADY SAID HE ISN'T GUILTY. 191 00:12:26,734 --> 00:12:30,099 >> LET'S LOOK AT THIS ONE LITTLE PIECE. 192 00:12:30,101 --> 00:12:32,432 THEY WERE MIDSTREAM IN THEIR INVESTIGATION, AND IT WAS CUT 193 00:12:32,434 --> 00:12:36,032 SHORT. MIKE COX, KIRKPATRICK. 194 00:12:36,034 --> 00:12:37,932 THE STATE POLICE WANTS TO CONTINUE. 195 00:12:37,934 --> 00:12:40,832 IN FACT, IN THE KWAN CASE THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. 196 00:12:40,834 --> 00:12:45,699 CHECK IN ON THIS, KATHY. >> WELL, IT DID GET CUT SHORT, 197 00:12:45,701 --> 00:12:49,632 AND SENT TO A GRAND JURY. WE HAD SEEN A LOT OF THE STUFF 198 00:12:49,634 --> 00:12:52,365 THAT THE THE STATE POLICE HAD INVESTIGATE SOD THE EMAILS WERE 199 00:12:52,367 --> 00:12:54,899 OUT THERE, THE TELEPHONE RECORDS WERE OUT THERE. 200 00:12:54,901 --> 00:12:59,399 THE TEXT MESSAGES. BUT STILL, HOW MUCH TESTIMONY 201 00:12:59,401 --> 00:13:02,999 DID SHE TAKE? >> AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE WAS 202 00:13:03,001 --> 00:13:06,699 STILL SOME QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT MARK BREWER AND 203 00:13:06,701 --> 00:13:08,099 GRETCHEN BROUGHT THE REPORT FOR IT. 204 00:13:08,101 --> 00:13:12,766 THEY WANTED TO KNOW -- AND THERE WAS UNANSWERED QUESTION AS TO 205 00:13:12,768 --> 00:13:15,466 WHO GOT THIS INVOLVED IN THE FIST PLACE, AND THEY DID KNOW 206 00:13:15,468 --> 00:13:18,266 THAT HE DIDN'T RESIDE IN THE DISTRICT FOR WHICH YOU FILED. 207 00:13:18,268 --> 00:13:22,199 THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT REALLY WASN'T ANSWERED I THINK UNTIL 208 00:13:22,201 --> 00:13:24,333 LAST WEEK. >> THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO 209 00:13:24,335 --> 00:13:28,132 CRIMINALIZE POLITICAL BEHAVIOR. SCHMIDT AND BULGER ALREADY PAID 210 00:13:28,134 --> 00:13:32,166 A PENALTY LAST YEAR, IN IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. 211 00:13:32,168 --> 00:13:35,233 >> JUST FOR THE RECORD TO SHOW I TALKED TO THE JUDGE, ASKED HER 212 00:13:35,235 --> 00:13:39,032 TO DO THE SHOW, AND SHE RESPECTFULLY SAID I CAN'T. 213 00:13:39,034 --> 00:13:44,833 BUT THIS NEXT GENTLEMEN, CAN. >> A CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY 214 00:13:44,835 --> 00:13:47,966 REPUBLICAN THAT CAME WITHIN 85 VOTES OF BECOMING THE NEXT PARTY 215 00:13:47,968 --> 00:13:50,233 CHAIR. HE HAS RUN FOR THE MICHIGAN 216 00:13:50,235 --> 00:13:52,866 HOUSE AND SENATE, AND MOST RECENTLY FOR THE STATE BOARD OF 217 00:13:52,868 --> 00:13:57,966 EDUCATION. >> . 218 00:13:57,968 --> 00:13:59,699 >> . >> AND HOLD AS LAW DEGREE. 219 00:13:59,701 --> 00:14:03,899 HE IS LEADING THE CHARGE AGAINST THE MEDICAID EXPANSION PLAN. 220 00:14:03,901 --> 00:14:08,799 >> WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM. KYLE HAS THE FIST QUESTION. 221 00:14:08,801 --> 00:14:16,999 >> COMMAND SINCE THEN YOU HAVE STAYED ACTIVE BY EMAILING 222 00:14:17,001 --> 00:14:20,333 SUPPORTERS OR LIKE MINDED PEOPLE YOUR POSITIONS ON THINGS THAT 223 00:14:20,335 --> 00:14:22,866 ARE GOING ON HERE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 224 00:14:22,868 --> 00:14:26,699 JUST RECENTLY, YOU HAD A CALL TO ARMS THAT FOLKED SHOULD BE 225 00:14:26,701 --> 00:14:29,266 CALLING THEIR REPUBLICAN SENATORS AND TELLING THEM TO 226 00:14:29,268 --> 00:14:31,366 VOTE KNOW ON MEDICATION EXPANSION. 227 00:14:31,368 --> 00:14:34,833 WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING THIS EFFORT, AND IS THERE SOMETHING 228 00:14:34,835 --> 00:14:36,399 BIGGER AND BROADER YOU ARE RUNNING FOR? 229 00:14:36,401 --> 00:14:40,566 >> I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME TODAY. 230 00:14:40,568 --> 00:14:43,733 I THINK SINCE THE CHAIR RACE, I HAD A LOT OF FRIENDS BEFORE THE 231 00:14:43,735 --> 00:14:46,866 CHAIR RACE, LAST FEBRUARY, AND I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS 232 00:14:46,868 --> 00:14:50,466 THERE'S A MOMENT THAT'S OCCURRED, AND IT REALLY HAS LESS 233 00:14:50,468 --> 00:14:52,966 TO DO WITH ME THAN IT DOES WITH THE MOVEMENT. 234 00:14:52,968 --> 00:14:55,866 I JUST NEED TO BE THE VOICE. HUMBLING TO EVEN HAVE THE 235 00:14:55,868 --> 00:14:58,066 OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND SPEAK TODAY. 236 00:14:58,068 --> 00:15:02,733 WITH YOU FOLKS, BUT I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT OUT THERE, 237 00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:06,666 AMONG THE BASE OF THE FIELD, IT FEELS LIKE A SEPARATION FROM 238 00:15:06,668 --> 00:15:09,266 THIS SORT OF OLD YARD ESTABLISHMENT, THAT HAS RUN THE 239 00:15:09,268 --> 00:15:12,566 PARTY, AND THEY THEMSELVESES ARE NOW BECOME MORE COURAGEOUS, AND 240 00:15:12,568 --> 00:15:14,499 MORE CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN TAKE OVER THE PARTY. 241 00:15:14,501 --> 00:15:17,698 AND SO YOU ARE SEEING SOME OF THAT HAPPENING. 242 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:20,033 MYSELF, I AM JUST VOICING WHAT IS REALLY ALREADY OUT THERE. 243 00:15:20,035 --> 00:15:22,765 >> SO THE GOAL IS TO TAKE OTHER THE PARTY? 244 00:15:22,767 --> 00:15:27,133 >> I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S BEEN THIS 245 00:15:27,135 --> 00:15:30,799 SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BASE, WHICH CLEARLY IS THE AREA THAT 246 00:15:30,801 --> 00:15:34,400 SUPPORTED ME, WE HAD THIS VERY CONSERVATIVE LIBERTY MINDED 247 00:15:34,402 --> 00:15:37,832 FREEDOM LOVING TEA PARTY, LIBERTARIAN COALITION, AND THEN 248 00:15:37,834 --> 00:15:40,233 SOME OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL, THAT SUPPORTED ME. 249 00:15:40,235 --> 00:15:43,732 AND I THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE REALLY THEY FEEL LIKE THE 250 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:49,033 ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PARTY, DOES NOT REALLY -- IT'S NOT REALLY 251 00:15:49,035 --> 00:15:51,765 COMMITTED TO CONSERVATIVISM. SO THE IDEA IS THAT THEY 252 00:15:51,767 --> 00:15:54,465 THEMSELVES ARE TIRED OF PUTTING IN ALL THE HOURS AND THE TIME, 253 00:15:54,467 --> 00:15:58,266 AND ALL OF THIS ENERGY, ONLY TO SORT OF BE DISREGARDED WHEN IT 254 00:15:58,268 --> 00:16:02,999 COMES TO THE PARTY PLATFORM, AND ADVANCING WHAT THEY FEEL 255 00:16:03,001 --> 00:16:05,732 CONSERVATIVISM FOR THE BASE, IS CONVICTION. 256 00:16:05,734 --> 00:16:09,999 THEY FEEL THAT THE LEADERSHIP, THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PARTY 257 00:16:10,001 --> 00:16:13,999 FOR THEM IT IS CONVENIENT, THEY ARE JUST TALKING POINTS. 258 00:16:14,001 --> 00:16:18,232 >> THERE'S A FUNCTION ON THERE WHERE FOLKS CAN DONATE TO YOU. 259 00:16:18,234 --> 00:16:20,999 I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, WHEN FOLKS ARE GIVING MONEY, WHAT ARE 260 00:16:21,001 --> 00:16:24,299 THEY GIVING MONEY FOR? >> VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT 261 00:16:24,301 --> 00:16:27,366 DONATE -- I HAD SOME PEOPLE ASK ME, COULD YOU CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT 262 00:16:27,368 --> 00:16:31,899 YOU ARE INVOLVED IN. RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT, IT IS 263 00:16:31,901 --> 00:16:33,899 REALLY EFFORT TO CHANGE THE PARTY LEADERSHIP. 264 00:16:33,901 --> 00:16:38,899 >> THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> SO GOING INTO A ACCOUNT FOR 265 00:16:38,901 --> 00:16:42,532 PARTY SHARE RACE. >> IT COULD BE FOR A PARTY SHARE 266 00:16:42,534 --> 00:16:46,165 RACE, THERE'S BEEN EFFORT TO CHANGE OUT THE PARTY LEADERSHIP. 267 00:16:46,167 --> 00:16:49,866 THE DISCUSSIONS I HAVE HAD WE HAVE LOOKED AT ALSO THE COUNTY 268 00:16:49,868 --> 00:16:52,765 CHAIRS. WE LOOKED AT DISTRICT 269 00:16:52,767 --> 00:16:55,799 SITUATIONS. SOME OF THOSE SPOTS ARE YOU FEEL 270 00:16:55,801 --> 00:16:59,065 THE ESTABLISHMENT CONTROLS THESE AREAS. 271 00:16:59,067 --> 00:17:03,399 >> SO WHITMER ASSUMES THERE IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON. 272 00:17:03,401 --> 00:17:05,565 >> I THINK CIVIL WAR IS OBVIOUSLY FROM A DEMOCRAT THAT 273 00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:11,765 IS A FUNNY ANALOGY. I WOULD SAY MORE LIKE A 274 00:17:11,767 --> 00:17:16,832 FAMILY -- MY WIFE CALLS IT WHEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, HE CALLS 275 00:17:16,834 --> 00:17:19,131 IT INTENSE FELLOWSHIP. [LAUGHTER] 276 00:17:19,133 --> 00:17:23,098 >> MAYBE YOUR HOUSE IS DIFFERENT. 277 00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:28,699 >> INTENSE FELLOWSHIP INSIDE THE PARTY. 278 00:17:28,701 --> 00:17:31,999 I THINK THERE IS A HEALTHY DISCUSSION GOING ON. 279 00:17:32,001 --> 00:17:35,532 AND I ENCOURAGING THAT TO -- I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 280 00:17:35,534 --> 00:17:38,098 BY AND LARGE THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION. 281 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:40,699 I FOUND THERE IS A LACK OF RELATIONSHIPS AMONG THESE 282 00:17:40,701 --> 00:17:44,999 DIFFERENT GROUPS. ALL OF THESE VARIOUS LIBERTY 283 00:17:45,001 --> 00:17:47,832 GROUPS AND TEA PARTY GROUPS AND ALL OF THEIR VARIOUS FORMS AND 284 00:17:47,834 --> 00:17:51,465 AROUND THE STATE, AND I HAVE BEEN TO A BUNCH OF THEM. 285 00:17:51,467 --> 00:17:55,131 AND I KNOW THE LEADERSHIP FOR A LOT OF THEM, PERSONALLY. 286 00:17:55,133 --> 00:17:56,832 >> DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNOR DOES. 287 00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,966 >> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW AMONG THE BASE, I 288 00:17:58,968 --> 00:18:03,098 DON'T KNOW THAT HE IS REALLY AS IN TOUCH WITH THE BASE OF THE 289 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:06,398 PARTY, ITSELF. I THINK THERE'S A DISCONNECT, 290 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,465 REALLY, TO WHERE HE IS GOING POLITICALLY, AND WHERE THE PARTY 291 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:13,165 WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- OR WHERE THE BASE OF THE PARTY WOULD LIKE 292 00:18:13,167 --> 00:18:17,232 TO SEE IT. WHEN YOU HAVE A REP GOVERNOR, 293 00:18:17,234 --> 00:18:19,032 THIS IS JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL TERMS. 294 00:18:19,034 --> 00:18:23,332 IN OUR STATE, WHEN YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND OTHER 295 00:18:23,334 --> 00:18:25,965 STATES WHERE THE SITUATION IS THEY DON'T REALLY WANT A STRONG 296 00:18:25,967 --> 00:18:28,565 PARTY. THEY DON'T REALLY WANT A STRONG 297 00:18:28,567 --> 00:18:32,132 PARTY, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SET THE AGENDA, AND IT CAN BE AN 298 00:18:32,134 --> 00:18:35,732 AFFRONT TO THEIR OWN SITUATION. SO IF YOU HAVE A STRONG PARTY 299 00:18:35,734 --> 00:18:37,898 CHAIR, WHICH IS A CONSERVATIVE, WHICH IS WHAT WOULD HAVE 300 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:41,765 HAPPENED IF I WAS THE CHAIR, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MEGAPHONE 301 00:18:41,767 --> 00:18:50,198 FOR SPEAKING ABOUT CONSERVATIVISM. 302 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,332 IT HAS REALLY LACKED THAT COMPONENT. 303 00:18:52,334 --> 00:18:55,132 >> DO YOU THINK THERE CAN BE A RECONCILIATION BETWEEN THE BASE 304 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,798 AND THE PEOPLE RUNNING RIGHT NOW? 305 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,898 IS. >> ABSOLUTELY. 306 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:01,398 I REACHED OUT MYSELF, BEFORE I STARTED ON THIS TOUR, AND PEOPLE 307 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,798 SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING OUT THERE. 308 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,999 REALLY, IT IS MY LOVE FOR THE BASE. 309 00:19:06,001 --> 00:19:10,032 I HAVE A LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE PARTY. 310 00:19:10,034 --> 00:19:19,032 AND IT ISN'T TO BE AN OFFENSE TO THE LEADERSHIP. 311 00:19:19,034 --> 00:19:23,232 I REALLY FELT. EVERYBODY ELSE FELL AWAY, BUT 312 00:19:23,234 --> 00:19:25,599 THERE NEEDED TO BE A DISCUSSION THAT WAS AIRED IN THE 313 00:19:25,601 --> 00:19:28,432 CONVENTION. AND SO WHEN I CAME OUT, AND THAT 314 00:19:28,434 --> 00:19:31,899 HAPPENED THERE WAS SORT OF NOW FINALLY, THE 900-POUND GORILLA 315 00:19:31,901 --> 00:19:34,132 IN THE ROOM IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 316 00:19:34,134 --> 00:19:40,066 FACT THAT WE ARE NOT A UNIFIED BODY. 317 00:19:40,068 --> 00:19:42,532 THAT THERE IS SEPARATION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T WORK 318 00:19:42,534 --> 00:19:45,432 FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE A MODERATION FROM MIAMIS, THAT'S 319 00:19:45,434 --> 00:19:48,132 NOT THE CASE. WE NEED TO SIT DOWN, AND DISCUSS 320 00:19:48,134 --> 00:19:50,499 THAT, AND DEVELOP THE RELATIONSHIPS AND FIGURE OUT 321 00:19:50,501 --> 00:19:53,499 WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. >> WHAT ABOUT THE TWO BIG STATE 322 00:19:53,501 --> 00:19:58,099 ISSUES WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, MEDICAID EXPANSE, UNDER 323 00:19:58,101 --> 00:20:01,999 OBAMA CARE, AND ALSO THIS EFFORT TO PUT A PROPOSAL ON THE BALLOT 324 00:20:02,001 --> 00:20:06,099 TO FIND MONEY TO IMPROVE ROADS AND PERHAPS THROW ON SOME STUFF 325 00:20:06,101 --> 00:20:14,632 FOR EDUCATION TOO. >> THAT MAY MAKE SENSE IN THE 326 00:20:14,634 --> 00:20:19,632 OLD MODEL. YOU ALSO HAVE THAT CONTINUED 327 00:20:19,634 --> 00:20:22,431 LIBBERRISM IN THEIR SPECTRUMS, MYSELF LOOKING AT THOSE I THINK 328 00:20:22,433 --> 00:20:26,866 THEY ARE BOTH AN OFFENSE TO THE BASE. 329 00:20:26,868 --> 00:20:29,932 AS THE GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO DO THAT, THE MODERATES WHO WILL 330 00:20:29,934 --> 00:20:32,331 VOTE FOR SHOWER. ARE YOU REALLY HARD TO THE 331 00:20:32,333 --> 00:20:35,233 RIGHT, WITH THE RIGHT TO WORK, AND GOD BLESS HIM FOR DOING IT, 332 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:39,331 REALLY. I THINK HE HAS DONE A TERRIFIC 333 00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:43,233 JOB IN PASSING THAT, BUT I THINK HE WAS EXPOSED ON HIS LEFT SIDE, 334 00:20:43,235 --> 00:20:47,531 IS REALLY WHAT HAPPENED. SO NOW YOU COME BACK, -- THE 335 00:20:47,533 --> 00:20:52,598 FIRST RULING WE DO NOT HAVE TO -- THE MEDICAID THING, WE 336 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,531 HAVE THE OPTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED 337 00:20:54,533 --> 00:20:59,832 IN THAT. SO WE DON'T NEED A REPUBLICAN 338 00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:03,265 HOUSE AND A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR ADVANCING THE AGENDA. 339 00:21:03,267 --> 00:21:06,665 WE DO NOT NEED THAT. TEN THE IDEA IS IF WE GOING IN 340 00:21:06,667 --> 00:21:12,431 THAT DIRECTION, THE DEMOCRATS CAN P IN CHARGE. 341 00:21:12,433 --> 00:21:17,200 LET'S SAY THERE'S A TIE VOTE, AND THEY BREAK THE TIE TO PASS 342 00:21:17,202 --> 00:21:20,799 THE EXPANSION, WOULD YOU SAY THAT HE IS IN DEEP DO DO? 343 00:21:20,801 --> 00:21:24,999 >> HERE IS YOU PRIMARY TO YOU. >> NOT A PRIMARY. 344 00:21:25,001 --> 00:21:27,799 I'M SAYING PRIMARY TO THE CONVENTION. 345 00:21:27,801 --> 00:21:29,665 >> AND WOULD THE CHALLENGE BEAR SUCCESSFUL YOU THINK? 346 00:21:29,667 --> 00:21:31,899 >> I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE. 347 00:21:31,901 --> 00:21:34,966 RIGHT NOW THERE IS THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DICTATED TO 348 00:21:34,968 --> 00:21:38,233 FROM AS FAR AS THE BASE, AND THIS ISN'T JUST ME. 349 00:21:38,235 --> 00:21:42,166 I'M -- I DON'T SPEAK FOR -- I'M NOT THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE OF THE 350 00:21:42,168 --> 00:21:44,099 PARTY, I AM JUST ONE VOICE IN IT. 351 00:21:44,101 --> 00:21:46,833 THERE SHALL PLENTY OF LEADERS OUT THERE. 352 00:21:46,835 --> 00:21:49,933 IT'S NOT MY MOVEMENT, IT IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE. 353 00:21:49,935 --> 00:21:56,233 I AM JUST GIVING MY SENSE OF IT. SIX IT IS OFFENSETIVE THE PEOPLE 354 00:21:56,235 --> 00:21:59,565 THAT ARE PUTTING IN THE HOURS AND THE PARTY TO TRY TO GET 355 00:21:59,567 --> 00:22:06,432 PEOPLE ELECTS SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND WORK. 356 00:22:06,434 --> 00:22:14,200 PI AND LARGE THEY WON'T GO OUT AND GET THEM ELECTS. 357 00:22:14,202 --> 00:22:24,665 I THIS THAT MYSELF, PERSONALLY. I THINK MOST OF YOU SAW IT. 358 00:22:24,667 --> 00:22:29,165 RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE THAT WAS THREE YEARS AGO. 359 00:22:29,167 --> 00:22:42,366 >> RIGHT AS WE SAID PRESENTLY, THIS IS THE FAMILY FEUD GOING 360 00:22:42,368 --> 00:22:47,932 ON. AS LONG AS THAT CONTINUES LEFT, 361 00:22:47,934 --> 00:22:50,866 MEANING THE LEADERSHIP, WHETHER THEY ARE DIRECTED LEADERSHIP OR 362 00:22:50,868 --> 00:22:53,432 IS PARTY, AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE ON THAT TO THE LEFT, 363 00:22:53,434 --> 00:22:57,065 WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT IS GOING TO BE EXPOSED ON THE LEFT 364 00:22:57,067 --> 00:23:04,965 LANE. >> IN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, I 365 00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:08,532 HAD CHARGES IN WISCONSIN RELATED TO AN INCIDENT INVOLVED A GUN 366 00:23:08,534 --> 00:23:11,299 AND SO FORTH. DO YOU THINK THOSE TYPES -- THAT 367 00:23:11,301 --> 00:23:20,466 KIND OF A STORY HURTS THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT IN ANY WAY. 368 00:23:20,468 --> 00:23:25,466 I THINK THAT THAT HAPPENS INSIDE OF THE EVERY ORGANIZE THAT IS 369 00:23:25,468 --> 00:23:32,799 UPSET WITH THE POWER OF THIS -- THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT. 370 00:23:32,801 --> 00:23:37,399 THERE IS TEA PARTIES -- THEY ARE JUST FOR THEMSELVES OR THE 371 00:23:37,401 --> 00:23:40,266 RELATIONSHIP THEY HAVE. THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM. 372 00:23:40,268 --> 00:23:43,699 I WOULDN'T WHAT IS YOUR NAME, AND WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM?S 373 00:23:43,701 --> 00:23:45,199 BUT THERE ARE GOD FARING, HONEST, FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE 374 00:23:45,201 --> 00:23:48,466 WHO ARE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY ARE COMPELLED EVERY 375 00:23:48,468 --> 00:23:53,166 MORNING TO GET UP AND DO WHAT THEY CAN TO TRY TO SAVE THE 376 00:23:53,168 --> 00:23:55,433 REPUBLICAN. >> IN THIS CASE, THIS GUY IS A 377 00:23:55,435 --> 00:23:59,032 SUPPORTER OF YOURS, THAT COULD HURT THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS 378 00:23:59,034 --> 00:24:02,433 MOVEMENT IN MICHIGAN. >> WELL, NO, I DON'T THINK SO. 379 00:24:02,435 --> 00:24:06,833 I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT THESE TEA PARTY 380 00:24:06,835 --> 00:24:10,399 FOLKS. THE TEA PARTY HAS BEEN SCOURGED, 381 00:24:10,401 --> 00:24:13,933 IT HAS BEEN THROUGH THE FIRE, NOW YOU HAVE A GROUP OF 382 00:24:13,935 --> 00:24:17,732 ACTIVISTS I WOULD SAY ARE A COUPLE YEARS OLDER, AND THEY 383 00:24:17,734 --> 00:24:20,532 KNOW HOW TO SHOW UP AND PUT OUT A PHONE CAMPAIGN. 384 00:24:20,534 --> 00:24:23,433 THEY KNOW HOW TO DO AN EMAIL CAMPAIGN. 385 00:24:23,435 --> 00:24:27,499 EVERYBODY GREW UP A WHOLE BUNCH I WOULD SAY THROUGH THE RIGHT TO 386 00:24:27,501 --> 00:24:36,466 WORK EFFORT. I WOULD SAY. 387 00:24:36,468 --> 00:24:39,766 SO THEY KNOW HOW TO GO OUT AND WORK IN THE BACKGROUND, AND MAKE 388 00:24:39,768 --> 00:24:41,632 SURE THEY GET DONE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 389 00:24:41,634 --> 00:24:44,499 >> IN REGARD TO TORQUE, YOU HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING A 390 00:24:44,501 --> 00:24:48,399 PRIMARY OPPONENT FOR A SENATOR WHO MIGHT VOTE YES ON MEDICAID, 391 00:24:48,401 --> 00:24:50,266 IS THAT CORRECT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. 392 00:24:50,268 --> 00:24:55,132 >> THAT'S ONE. DOES THAT SEND A MESSAGE? 393 00:24:55,134 --> 00:24:57,699 >> I DON'T KNOW. WE GOT CALLED TO ARMS. 394 00:24:57,701 --> 00:25:00,699 I HAVE HAD THREE DISCUSSIONS ON THE WAY OVER HERE, THREE PHONE 395 00:25:00,701 --> 00:25:04,566 CALLS FROM FOLKS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU READ SOME OF MY 396 00:25:04,568 --> 00:25:08,132 STUFF, AND IT ISN'T JUST TO BE DRAMATIC OUT THERE, BUT I THINK 397 00:25:08,134 --> 00:25:12,532 WHAT IS HAPPENING IS MANY THE BACKGROUND, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT 398 00:25:12,534 --> 00:25:16,532 ARE UPSET ENOUGH, THAT NOW THEY ARE OVERCOMING THEIR FEAR, THAT 399 00:25:16,534 --> 00:25:21,999 SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP FORWARD AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN 400 00:25:22,001 --> 00:25:30,732 THEIR DISTRICT. >> I DON'T THINK IT IS 401 00:25:30,734 --> 00:25:33,265 THREATENING I THINK THEY JUST NEED TO LOOK HARD AT THIS VOTE. 402 00:25:33,267 --> 00:25:36,632 >> YOU MAY HAVE AN INTENSE FELLOWSHIP DISCUSSION. 403 00:25:36,634 --> 00:25:46,065 >> I THINK WE SHOULD. I REMEMBER IT'S NOT THEIR 404 00:25:46,067 --> 00:25:49,765 GOVERNMENT, IT IS OURS. >> WOULD YOU VOTE FOR PROVIDER 405 00:25:49,767 --> 00:25:52,198 IS IT A YES OR NO. >> CONSIDERING MY OTHER OPTION, 406 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,165 WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DO, YES. 407 00:25:55,167 --> 00:26:00,999 WOULD GO OUT AND PUT THE EFFORT IN TO WORK FOR HIM, I AM HOPING 408 00:26:01,001 --> 00:26:03,698 HE WILL COME BACK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, AND TACKLE FURTHER TO 409 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:07,999 THE RIGHT. I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ANT 410 00:26:08,001 --> 00:26:08,899 PRIMARYING HIM. >> THANK YOU. 411 00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:15,665 >> GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. >> THANK YOU ALL. 412 00:26:15,667 --> 00:26:18,799 NEXT WEEK, BRIAN CALIE, MAYBE YOU WILL WATCH. 413 00:26:18,801 --> 00:26:21,732 SEE YOU THEN. 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