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>> AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF
THE RECORD" WITH JIM.
>> THANK YOU, AND WELCOME TO OFF
THE RECORD.
WELL, WE HAVE A POTENTIAL
UNDERSCORE POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO
THE SCHOOL PROBLEM.
>> DO YOU THINK, LET'S TAKE A
LOOK.
>> THE STATE HAS A SALES TAX ON
GASOLINE THAT GENERATES ONE
POINTED $2 BILLION BUT
SURPRISINGLY NONE OF THAT GOES
INTO ROAD REPAIRS.
INSTEAD IT GOES TO SCHOOLS AND
CITIES.
THE SENATOR REPUBLICAN LEADER
CONFIRMS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING
AT EARMARKING THE TAX
EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE ROADS.
>> I AM IN FAVOR OF TAKING A
LOOK AT FIXING THAT.
>> .
YOU SAID THAT $1.2 BILLION TO
THE ROADS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE
SCHOOLS?
THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC LEADSER
LOOKING AT RAISING THE STATE
SALES TAX BY MORE THAN A PENNY,
SO THAT MORE MONEY WILL GO TO
KIDS EDUCATION.
>> IF YOU WANT TO ASK PEOPLE TO
MAKE A GREATER SACRIFICE, THEY
HAVE TO FEEL LIKE IT IS
WORTHWHILE.
>> THE ONE PAY DOESN'T GET YOU
THERE.
>> NO.
>> SHOULD WE PUT ON THE BALLOT
AT LEAST A $1 PENNY INCREASE TO
MAKE UP THE LOST REVENUE.
>> I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE
THING TO ASK THE PENNY OF THE
STATE OF MICHIGAN WHAT THEY
WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THIS.
>> THEY SAY THEY CAN'T GET ALL
THIS PUT TOGETHER FOR A
STATEWIDE VOTE IN NOVEMBER, BUT
MAYBE NEXT MAY.
>> MAYBE NEXT, OR MAYBE NOT.
WHAT IS YOUR READ ON THIS?
>> THAT WILL PROBABLY BE NEXT
YEAR IF IT HAPPENS AT ALL.
>> BOLINGER WAS MAKING IT SOUND
LIKE THEY STILL HAVE A SHOT IN
NOVEMBER.
>> THERE IS SO MUCH DISCUSSION
THAT HAS TO BE HAD ON IT.
THEY HAVE BEEN PLAYIN PLAYING WS
MEDICAID EXPANSION FOR HOW LONG
NOW, AND THIS IS A BIG DEAL TOO.
SO I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO
HAPPEN.
>> ON THE SHOT CLOCK IS GOING TO
RUN OUT ON THEM, IS WHAT IS
GOING TO HAPPEN.
THEY HAVE IS -- THEY GOT UNTIL
SEPTEMBER 6TH TO GET SOMETHING
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS
AND THAT MEANS IT WOULD HAVE TO
PASS THE HOUSE, AND THE SENATE,
AND OF COURSE WE HAVE RASH SHA
SHONA IN THE MIX, SO THAT'S TWO
DAYS.
THEY DON'T HAVE COUNTS THEY
DON'T HAVE A TIME PROPOSAL.
IT IS A GOOD IDEA.
I CAN SEE WHERE BOTH SIDES ARE
TRYING TO GO WITH THIS, BUT
NOBODY HAS ANYTHING CONCRETE
YET.
>> THE BEAUTY OF THE PLAN, IS A
COLLECTIVE 1.2 BILLION, WHICH
THE STATE IS TAKING IN RIGHT
NOW.
>> RIGHT.
>> EARMARK IT FOR THE LAWS AND
THEY HAVE THE NUMBER WOULD HAVE
HAVING TO VOTE FOR A TAX HIKE,
RIGHT.
>> NO.
>> THIS IS THE OLD BAIT AND
SWITCH.
THE VOTERS WILL SEE THROUGH THIS
AND THEY WON'T LIKE IT.
IF THIS IS THEIR PLAN, I DON'T
CARE WHEN, THIS IS A LOSER BIG
TIME.
>> WRONG.
>> IF IT GETS ON THE BALLOT IT
IS TOAST.
>> WOW.
>> IF YOU PUT EDUCATION IN THE
MIX, AND YOU PLEDGING YOU ARE
GOING TO DO SOMETHING
CONSTRUCTIVE, THE POINT I HAVE
BEEN TOLD IS THAT IT DOES
BETTER.
I THINK THE LAST ELECTION SHOWED
IN THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY,
RAISING MONEY FOR ROADS WAS A
LOSER, BUT EDUCATION IS
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
>> WHAT HE SAID.
IT IS A DISASTER THAT'S WHY THEY
CAN'T GET THE ROADS FOR IT.
MAY O AUGUST EITHER.
>> WHY DON'T THEY PURSUE THIS IF
THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET
ANYWHERE.
>> THE GOVERNOR IS PUTTING
PRESSURE ON THEM, BECAUSE THEY
DO WANT TO DO SOMETHING, WE HAVE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT ALL YEAR.
THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE A
TURKEY.
>> AND IT ISN'T EVEN
THANKSGIVING.
HEY, WE ARE LETTING YOU DO IT.
>> LISTEN.
>> IT IS GOING TO BE ON THE
BALLOTED NEXT AUGUST, CAN YOU
IMAGINE BE A REPUBLICAN RUNNING
FOR A RENOMINATION.
>> LATER WHEN NOBODY SHOWS UP,
WHEN KURT SHOWS UP, THE
TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION WILL
SIGN UP AND THE MEA WILL SIGN
UP.
>> I AGREE IF THEY ARE GOING TO
DO IT THE SOONER THE BETTER.
GET THIS DONE IN THE YEAR BEFORE
THE ELECTION YEAR.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN
THAN ANY OTHER TIME, THAT'S WHEN
THE SCHOOL BOND ELECTIONS ARE
UP, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL PEOPLE
HAVE IT FIGURES OUT.
MAY IS A GREAT TIME TO DO IT, I
THINK THE ISSUE IS GETTING THE
DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS TO
AGREE TO SOMETHING, HAVING ONE
SIDE OR THE OTHER GO FIRST,
NOBODY WANTS TO GO FIRST,
BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE
HUNG OUT TO DRY.
IT IS GETTING THEM TO JUMP
TOGETHER, AND THAT'S BEEN A
PROBLEM.
>> I THINK HE IS REFERRING TO
GRETCHEN WHITMER, ASKING FOR TOO
MUCH.
>> .
YOU TANGLES $500 MILLION EXTRA
MONEY, YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING
TO SAY HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO
PLAY.
>> WRONG.
>> IF THEY ARE MANAGING A PUSH
BACK, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T
WANT THE GAS TAX HIKE.
>> THEY AREN'T GETTING ONE.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, IT IS
DIVERTING THE MONEY FROM THE
SALES TAX, AND REPLACING IT WITH
NEW MONEY FOR EDUCATION.
IT IS THE OLD SHIFT SHAFT.
>> THAT WILL BE A GUARANTEE THAT
THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO THE
SCHOOL.
>> YES.
>> AND IT IS GOING TO GO TO THE
CITIES.
>> NOW IT IS DOOMED.
>> YEP.
>> SO OFTEN THAT MONEY GETS
SHIFTED SOMEPLACE ELSE.
>> TO ANSWER THE PERSPECTIVE,
LET'S ASSUME THEY PUT IT ON THE
BALLOT AND IT FAILS.
NOW WHAT?
THEY HAVE NADA, SO THEY HAVE TO
GO TO THE BACK UP PLAN, LIKE
THEY DID ON PROPOSAL EIGHT, KNEW
THEY AREN'T GOING TO DO THE
INCOME TAX, BUT THERE NEEDS TO
BE A FALL BACK.
>> WELL, THERE NEEDS TO BE A
FALL BACK, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO
DO SOMETHING.
>> OTHERWISE YOU HAVE NADA.
THE FALL BACK IN PROPOSAL A THAT
WAS A CUT IN SPENDING OVERALL.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT.
>> $1 MILLION ANNUALLY IS CUT
OUT.
THIS IS AN INCREASE.
THIS IS A 1 CENTS INCREASE.
>> THEY AREN'T AFRAID OF THAT.
>> IF THEY HAVE A PUSH BACK FROM
PEOPLE THE THINK THE TRUCK
INDUSTRY, THEY ARE THE ONES
RIPPING UP THE ROADS.
THAT THE STANDARDS NEED TO BE
BETTER, SO THE ROADS DON'T NEED
TO BE REPAID EVERY TEN YEARS SO
THERE IS A LOT OF PUSH BACK ON
THAT.
>> IF HIGHER EDUCATION COMES
INTO THE MIX, SHE WANTS TO GIVE
A LOT OF MONEY TO KID WHOSE ARE
GOING INTO THE SCHOOL FOR HIGHER
EDUCATION, AND THAT'S NOT
SOMETHING HE IS OPPOSED TO.
>> POLITICS IS THE ART OF THE
POSSIBLE, WILLIAM.
AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING THEY
HAVE -- I'M TRYING TO GET YOU
ONBOARD HERE.
>> I'M SORRY.
I AM A HOLD OUT.
>> OKAY.
>> I AM NOT SURE SHE IS ONBOARD
EITHER.
>> THERE YOU GO.
>> I NEVER SAID I THOUGHT IT
WOULD GET ON THE BALLOT.
>> OH.
>> TURN OFF THE LIGHTS, FOLKS.
>> I WANT TO MOVE MY RHETORIC.
>> YOU ALWAYS DO THAT.
>> A SOURCE TOLD ME YESTERDAY,
30%.
>> SO THAT'S AS GOOD AS GOLD.
>> IN THIS CASE, 30% YOU CAN
BUILD ON.
>> THE LEADERSHIP AGAIN WHICH WE
HAVE SAID ALL ALONG, TALKING
ABOUT THE STATE OF THE STATE, IF
YOU CAN'T FUND THIS PUPPY OFF,
WHAT.
>> YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE.
>> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S
TRUE.
WAYLA, CHASE BULGER IS HOME
FREE.
>> YEAH.
>> OBVIOUSLY STILL HAS SOME
PUBLIC RELATIONS TO DO.
>> THREE MONTHS AGO NOBODY
REMEMBERS THE STORY.
>> PROBABLY SO.
HE IS STILL REALLY YOUNG.
DOESN'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHO HE
CAN RUN FOR.
HE ALWAYS CHALLENGES A MORN FOR
CONGRESS, BUT HE AND A MORN ARE
KIND OF OUR FRIENDS AND I DON'T
SEE THAT HAPPENING EITHER.
SO HE CAN WAIT THIS OUT FOR A
WHILE.
HE OWNS HIS OWN BUSINESS, AND
THEN HE COMES BACK IN FOUR
YEARS.
>> HE SAID I MADE A MISTAKE.
HE DID NOTHING CRIMINAL, NEXT
QUESTION.
>> WELL, THE OTHER QUESTION IS
WHAT HAPPENED.
DOES HE RUN AGAIN FOR OFFICE.
>> WOULDN'T THAT BE FUN.
>> HE IS THREATENING TO.
>> WHY IS IT A THREAT?
>> I MAYBE WOULDN'T USE THE WORD
THREAT, HE IS SUGGESTING HE
MIGHT, OR HOWLED CAN I GET BACK
IN THE RING, LET'S PUT IT THAT
WAY.
>> IF YOU ARE ADVISING HIM, I
THINK SCHMIDT IS A TOAST ANYWAY.
THAT'S TWO TOASTS IN ONE SHOW.
>> EXACTLY.
AND BULGER IS JUST AN ABSENCE OF
A NEGATIVE, THIS VERDICT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO SAY -- HE
WILL BE ABLE TO SAY OKAY, I WAS
FOUND NOT GUILTY, THERE WAS
NOTHING THERE, EVERYBODY SAID
SO, ETC.
BUT THAT DOES HELP HIM RUN?
>> NO.
>> IF HE HAS BEEN INDICTED.
>> YEAH.
>> CONGRESS ASIDE,.
>> .
>> IN AN ERA OF TERM LIMITS YOU
ARE OUT OF OFFICE TWO TO FOUR
YEARS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THINGS
TO RUN FOR, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE.
>> WHAT BOTHERS ME, IS THAT ALL
OF THIS STUFF, ALL OF THIS WORK,
AND YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT.
>> WELL --
>> SEALED AND SENT TO SOME
COURT.
>> THAT IS THE GRAND JURY LAW,
THE ONE PERSON GRAND JURY LAW,
AND IT PROBABLY UNFORTUNATE, AND
IT IS JUST TOO BAD THAT THERE
WAS ONE APPOINTED IN THE FIRST
PLACE.
IT WAS A TERRIBLE, DECISION, I
THINK.
>> TO --
>> TO GO TO A ONE PERSON PANEL.
>> WHY.
>> BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED LAST
WEEK WAS PREDICTABLE.
>> ETCH IF SHE HAS COME ONE A
FINDING THAT SHE THOUGHT SHE
WOULD HAVE HAD TO FIND A
PROSECUTOR TO TAKE ACTION.
>> THEY HAVE ALREADY SAID HE
ISN'T GUILTY.
>> LET'S LOOK AT THIS ONE LITTLE
PIECE.
THEY WERE MIDSTREAM IN THEIR
INVESTIGATION, AND IT WAS CUT
SHORT.
MIKE COX, KIRKPATRICK.
THE STATE POLICE WANTS TO
CONTINUE.
IN FACT, IN THE KWAN CASE THEY
DIDN'T DO THAT.
CHECK IN ON THIS, KATHY.
>> WELL, IT DID GET CUT SHORT,
AND SENT TO A GRAND JURY.
WE HAD SEEN A LOT OF THE STUFF
THAT THE THE STATE POLICE HAD
INVESTIGATE SOD THE EMAILS WERE
OUT THERE, THE TELEPHONE RECORDS
WERE OUT THERE.
THE TEXT MESSAGES.
BUT STILL, HOW MUCH TESTIMONY
DID SHE TAKE?
>> AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE WAS
STILL SOME QUESTIONS.
I THOUGHT MARK BREWER AND
GRETCHEN BROUGHT THE REPORT FOR
IT.
THEY WANTED TO KNOW -- AND THERE
WAS UNANSWERED QUESTION AS TO
WHO GOT THIS INVOLVED IN THE
FIST PLACE, AND THEY DID KNOW
THAT HE DIDN'T RESIDE IN THE
DISTRICT FOR WHICH YOU FILED.
THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT REALLY
WASN'T ANSWERED I THINK UNTIL
LAST WEEK.
>> THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO
CRIMINALIZE POLITICAL BEHAVIOR.
SCHMIDT AND BULGER ALREADY PAID
A PENALTY LAST YEAR, IN IN SOME
WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD TO SHOW I
TALKED TO THE JUDGE, ASKED HER
TO DO THE SHOW, AND SHE
RESPECTFULLY SAID I CAN'T.
BUT THIS NEXT GENTLEMEN, CAN.
>> A CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY
REPUBLICAN THAT CAME WITHIN 85
VOTES OF BECOMING THE NEXT PARTY
CHAIR.
HE HAS RUN FOR THE MICHIGAN
HOUSE AND SENATE, AND MOST
RECENTLY FOR THE STATE BOARD OF
EDUCATION.
>> .
>> .
>> AND HOLD AS LAW DEGREE.
HE IS LEADING THE CHARGE AGAINST
THE MEDICAID EXPANSION PLAN.
>> WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.
KYLE HAS THE FIST QUESTION.
>> COMMAND SINCE THEN YOU HAVE
STAYED ACTIVE BY EMAILING
SUPPORTERS OR LIKE MINDED PEOPLE
YOUR POSITIONS ON THINGS THAT
ARE GOING ON HERE IN THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
JUST RECENTLY, YOU HAD A CALL TO
ARMS THAT FOLKED SHOULD BE
CALLING THEIR REPUBLICAN
SENATORS AND TELLING THEM TO
VOTE KNOW ON MEDICATION
EXPANSION.
WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING THIS
EFFORT, AND IS THERE SOMETHING
BIGGER AND BROADER YOU ARE
RUNNING FOR?
>> I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME
TODAY.
I THINK SINCE THE CHAIR RACE, I
HAD A LOT OF FRIENDS BEFORE THE
CHAIR RACE, LAST FEBRUARY, AND I
THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS
THERE'S A MOMENT THAT'S
OCCURRED, AND IT REALLY HAS LESS
TO DO WITH ME THAN IT DOES WITH
THE MOVEMENT.
I JUST NEED TO BE THE VOICE.
HUMBLING TO EVEN HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND
SPEAK TODAY.
WITH YOU FOLKS, BUT I THINK WHAT
IS HAPPENING IS THAT OUT THERE,
AMONG THE BASE OF THE FIELD, IT
FEELS LIKE A SEPARATION FROM
THIS SORT OF OLD YARD
ESTABLISHMENT, THAT HAS RUN THE
PARTY, AND THEY THEMSELVESES ARE
NOW BECOME MORE COURAGEOUS, AND
MORE CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN
TAKE OVER THE PARTY.
AND SO YOU ARE SEEING SOME OF
THAT HAPPENING.
MYSELF, I AM JUST VOICING WHAT
IS REALLY ALREADY OUT THERE.
>> SO THE GOAL IS TO TAKE OTHER
THE PARTY?
>> I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S BEEN THIS
SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BASE,
WHICH CLEARLY IS THE AREA THAT
SUPPORTED ME, WE HAD THIS VERY
CONSERVATIVE LIBERTY MINDED
FREEDOM LOVING TEA PARTY,
LIBERTARIAN COALITION, AND THEN
SOME OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL, THAT
SUPPORTED ME.
AND I THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE
REALLY THEY FEEL LIKE THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PARTY, DOES
NOT REALLY -- IT'S NOT REALLY
COMMITTED TO CONSERVATIVISM.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT THEY
THEMSELVES ARE TIRED OF PUTTING
IN ALL THE HOURS AND THE TIME,
AND ALL OF THIS ENERGY, ONLY TO
SORT OF BE DISREGARDED WHEN IT
COMES TO THE PARTY PLATFORM, AND
ADVANCING WHAT THEY FEEL
CONSERVATIVISM FOR THE BASE, IS
CONVICTION.
THEY FEEL THAT THE LEADERSHIP,
THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PARTY
FOR THEM IT IS CONVENIENT, THEY
ARE JUST TALKING POINTS.
>> THERE'S A FUNCTION ON THERE
WHERE FOLKS CAN DONATE TO YOU.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, WHEN
FOLKS ARE GIVING MONEY, WHAT ARE
THEY GIVING MONEY FOR?
>> VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT
DONATE -- I HAD SOME PEOPLE ASK
ME, COULD YOU CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT
YOU ARE INVOLVED IN.
RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT, IT IS
REALLY EFFORT TO CHANGE THE
PARTY LEADERSHIP.
>> THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>> SO GOING INTO A ACCOUNT FOR
PARTY SHARE RACE.
>> IT COULD BE FOR A PARTY SHARE
RACE, THERE'S BEEN EFFORT TO
CHANGE OUT THE PARTY LEADERSHIP.
THE DISCUSSIONS I HAVE HAD WE
HAVE LOOKED AT ALSO THE COUNTY
CHAIRS.
WE LOOKED AT DISTRICT
SITUATIONS.
SOME OF THOSE SPOTS ARE YOU FEEL
THE ESTABLISHMENT CONTROLS THESE
AREAS.
>> SO WHITMER ASSUMES THERE IS A
CIVIL WAR GOING ON.
>> I THINK CIVIL WAR IS
OBVIOUSLY FROM A DEMOCRAT THAT
IS A FUNNY ANALOGY.
I WOULD SAY MORE LIKE A
FAMILY -- MY WIFE CALLS IT WHEN
WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, HE CALLS
IT INTENSE FELLOWSHIP.
[LAUGHTER]
>> MAYBE YOUR HOUSE IS
DIFFERENT.
>> INTENSE FELLOWSHIP INSIDE THE
PARTY.
I THINK THERE IS A HEALTHY
DISCUSSION GOING ON.
AND I ENCOURAGING THAT TO -- I
THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
BY AND LARGE THERE NEEDS TO BE A
DISCUSSION.
I FOUND THERE IS A LACK OF
RELATIONSHIPS AMONG THESE
DIFFERENT GROUPS.
ALL OF THESE VARIOUS LIBERTY
GROUPS AND TEA PARTY GROUPS AND
ALL OF THEIR VARIOUS FORMS AND
AROUND THE STATE, AND I HAVE
BEEN TO A BUNCH OF THEM.
AND I KNOW THE LEADERSHIP FOR A
LOT OF THEM, PERSONALLY.
>> DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNOR
DOES.
>> I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW AMONG THE BASE, I
DON'T KNOW THAT HE IS REALLY AS
IN TOUCH WITH THE BASE OF THE
PARTY, ITSELF.
I THINK THERE'S A DISCONNECT,
REALLY, TO WHERE HE IS GOING
POLITICALLY, AND WHERE THE PARTY
WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- OR WHERE
THE BASE OF THE PARTY WOULD LIKE
TO SEE IT.
WHEN YOU HAVE A REP GOVERNOR,
THIS IS JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL
TERMS.
IN OUR STATE, WHEN YOU HAVE A
REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND OTHER
STATES WHERE THE SITUATION IS
THEY DON'T REALLY WANT A STRONG
PARTY.
THEY DON'T REALLY WANT A STRONG
PARTY, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SET
THE AGENDA, AND IT CAN BE AN
AFFRONT TO THEIR OWN SITUATION.
SO IF YOU HAVE A STRONG PARTY
CHAIR, WHICH IS A CONSERVATIVE,
WHICH IS WHAT WOULD HAVE
HAPPENED IF I WAS THE CHAIR, AND
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MEGAPHONE
FOR SPEAKING ABOUT
CONSERVATIVISM.
IT HAS REALLY LACKED THAT
COMPONENT.
>> DO YOU THINK THERE CAN BE A
RECONCILIATION BETWEEN THE BASE
AND THE PEOPLE RUNNING RIGHT
NOW?
IS.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I REACHED OUT MYSELF, BEFORE I
STARTED ON THIS TOUR, AND PEOPLE
SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING OUT
THERE.
REALLY, IT IS MY LOVE FOR THE
BASE.
I HAVE A LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE OF
THE PARTY.
AND IT ISN'T TO BE AN OFFENSE TO
THE LEADERSHIP.
I REALLY FELT.
EVERYBODY ELSE FELL AWAY, BUT
THERE NEEDED TO BE A DISCUSSION
THAT WAS AIRED IN THE
CONVENTION.
AND SO WHEN I CAME OUT, AND THAT
HAPPENED THERE WAS SORT OF NOW
FINALLY, THE 900-POUND GORILLA
IN THE ROOM IS THAT WE NEED TO
HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
FACT THAT WE ARE NOT A UNIFIED
BODY.
THAT THERE IS SEPARATION.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T WORK
FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE A
MODERATION FROM MIAMIS, THAT'S
NOT THE CASE.
WE NEED TO SIT DOWN, AND DISCUSS
THAT, AND DEVELOP THE
RELATIONSHIPS AND FIGURE OUT
WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE TWO BIG STATE
ISSUES WE WERE JUST TALKING
ABOUT, MEDICAID EXPANSE, UNDER
OBAMA CARE, AND ALSO THIS EFFORT
TO PUT A PROPOSAL ON THE BALLOT
TO FIND MONEY TO IMPROVE ROADS
AND PERHAPS THROW ON SOME STUFF
FOR EDUCATION TOO.
>> THAT MAY MAKE SENSE IN THE
OLD MODEL.
YOU ALSO HAVE THAT CONTINUED
LIBBERRISM IN THEIR SPECTRUMS,
MYSELF LOOKING AT THOSE I THINK
THEY ARE BOTH AN OFFENSE TO THE
BASE.
AS THE GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO
DO THAT, THE MODERATES WHO WILL
VOTE FOR SHOWER.
ARE YOU REALLY HARD TO THE
RIGHT, WITH THE RIGHT TO WORK,
AND GOD BLESS HIM FOR DOING IT,
REALLY.
I THINK HE HAS DONE A TERRIFIC
JOB IN PASSING THAT, BUT I THINK
HE WAS EXPOSED ON HIS LEFT SIDE,
IS REALLY WHAT HAPPENED.
SO NOW YOU COME BACK, -- THE
FIRST RULING WE DO NOT HAVE
TO -- THE MEDICAID THING, WE
HAVE THE OPTION OF WHETHER OR
NOT WE ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED
IN THAT.
SO WE DON'T NEED A REPUBLICAN
HOUSE AND A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR
ADVANCING THE AGENDA.
WE DO NOT NEED THAT.
TEN THE IDEA IS IF WE GOING IN
THAT DIRECTION, THE DEMOCRATS
CAN P IN CHARGE.
LET'S SAY THERE'S A TIE VOTE,
AND THEY BREAK THE TIE TO PASS
THE EXPANSION, WOULD YOU SAY
THAT HE IS IN DEEP DO DO?
>> HERE IS YOU PRIMARY TO YOU.
>> NOT A PRIMARY.
I'M SAYING PRIMARY TO THE
CONVENTION.
>> AND WOULD THE CHALLENGE BEAR
SUCCESSFUL YOU THINK?
>> I THINK THERE'S A GOOD
CHANCE.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS THE IDEA THAT
WE ARE GOING TO BE DICTATED TO
FROM AS FAR AS THE BASE, AND
THIS ISN'T JUST ME.
I'M -- I DON'T SPEAK FOR -- I'M
NOT THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE OF THE
PARTY, I AM JUST ONE VOICE IN
IT.
THERE SHALL PLENTY OF LEADERS
OUT THERE.
IT'S NOT MY MOVEMENT, IT IS A
GROUP OF PEOPLE.
I AM JUST GIVING MY SENSE OF IT.
SIX IT IS OFFENSETIVE THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE PUTTING IN THE HOURS
AND THE PARTY TO TRY TO GET
PEOPLE ELECTS SO THEY ARE NOT
GOING TO GO OUT AND WORK.
PI AND LARGE THEY WON'T GO OUT
AND GET THEM ELECTS.
I THIS THAT MYSELF, PERSONALLY.
I THINK MOST OF YOU SAW IT.
RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE THAT WAS
THREE YEARS AGO.
>> RIGHT AS WE SAID PRESENTLY,
THIS IS THE FAMILY FEUD GOING
ON.
AS LONG AS THAT CONTINUES LEFT,
MEANING THE LEADERSHIP, WHETHER
THEY ARE DIRECTED LEADERSHIP OR
IS PARTY, AS LONG AS THEY
CONTINUE ON THAT TO THE LEFT,
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT IS
GOING TO BE EXPOSED ON THE LEFT
LANE.
>> IN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, I
HAD CHARGES IN WISCONSIN RELATED
TO AN INCIDENT INVOLVED A GUN
AND SO FORTH.
DO YOU THINK THOSE TYPES -- THAT
KIND OF A STORY HURTS THE TEA
PARTY MOVEMENT IN ANY WAY.
I THINK THAT THAT HAPPENS INSIDE
OF THE EVERY ORGANIZE THAT IS
UPSET WITH THE POWER OF THIS --
THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT.
THERE IS TEA PARTIES -- THEY ARE
JUST FOR THEMSELVES OR THE
RELATIONSHIP THEY HAVE.
THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM.
I WOULDN'T WHAT IS YOUR NAME,
AND WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM?S
BUT THERE ARE GOD FARING,
HONEST, FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE
WHO ARE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY
FEEL THEY ARE COMPELLED EVERY
MORNING TO GET UP AND DO WHAT
THEY CAN TO TRY TO SAVE THE
REPUBLICAN.
>> IN THIS CASE, THIS GUY IS A
SUPPORTER OF YOURS, THAT COULD
HURT THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS
MOVEMENT IN MICHIGAN.
>> WELL, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A WHOLE
BUNCH OF THAT THESE TEA PARTY
FOLKS.
THE TEA PARTY HAS BEEN SCOURGED,
IT HAS BEEN THROUGH THE FIRE,
NOW YOU HAVE A GROUP OF
ACTIVISTS I WOULD SAY ARE A
COUPLE YEARS OLDER, AND THEY
KNOW HOW TO SHOW UP AND PUT OUT
A PHONE CAMPAIGN.
THEY KNOW HOW TO DO AN EMAIL
CAMPAIGN.
EVERYBODY GREW UP A WHOLE BUNCH
I WOULD SAY THROUGH THE RIGHT TO
WORK EFFORT.
I WOULD SAY.
SO THEY KNOW HOW TO GO OUT AND
WORK IN THE BACKGROUND, AND MAKE
SURE THEY GET DONE WHAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE.
>> IN REGARD TO TORQUE, YOU HAD
A CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING A
PRIMARY OPPONENT FOR A SENATOR
WHO MIGHT VOTE YES ON MEDICAID,
IS THAT CORRECT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> THAT'S ONE.
DOES THAT SEND A MESSAGE?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
WE GOT CALLED TO ARMS.
I HAVE HAD THREE DISCUSSIONS ON
THE WAY OVER HERE, THREE PHONE
CALLS FROM FOLKS.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU READ SOME OF MY
STUFF, AND IT ISN'T JUST TO BE
DRAMATIC OUT THERE, BUT I THINK
WHAT IS HAPPENING IS MANY THE
BACKGROUND, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT
ARE UPSET ENOUGH, THAT NOW THEY
ARE OVERCOMING THEIR FEAR, THAT
SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP FORWARD
AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN
THEIR DISTRICT.
>> I DON'T THINK IT IS
THREATENING I THINK THEY JUST
NEED TO LOOK HARD AT THIS VOTE.
>> YOU MAY HAVE AN INTENSE
FELLOWSHIP DISCUSSION.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD.
I REMEMBER IT'S NOT THEIR
GOVERNMENT, IT IS OURS.
>> WOULD YOU VOTE FOR PROVIDER
IS IT A YES OR NO.
>> CONSIDERING MY OTHER OPTION,
WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO
DO, YES.
WOULD GO OUT AND PUT THE EFFORT
IN TO WORK FOR HIM, I AM HOPING
HE WILL COME BACK IN THE OTHER
DIRECTION, AND TACKLE FURTHER TO
THE RIGHT.
I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ANT
PRIMARYING HIM.
>> THANK YOU.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU ALL.
NEXT WEEK, BRIAN CALIE, MAYBE
YOU WILL WATCH.
SEE YOU THEN.
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