1 00:00:00,966 --> 00:00:02,100 ♪ 2 00:00:02,100 --> 00:00:04,533 WELCOME BACK TO THIS SPECIAL 3 00:00:04,533 --> 00:00:06,266 YEAR END EDITION OF "OFF THE 4 00:00:06,266 --> 00:00:07,633 RECORD" WHAT HAPPENED IN 2017 5 00:00:07,633 --> 00:00:11,833 AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN 2018 ON 6 00:00:11,833 --> 00:00:15,900 THE PANEL CHUCK STOKES ZOE CLARK 7 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:17,933 ZACH GORCHOW BILL BALLENGER SIT 8 00:00:17,933 --> 00:00:20,633 IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE 9 00:00:20,633 --> 00:00:22,500 OUT "OFF THE RECORD." 10 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:23,200 "PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 11 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:23,866 MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY A 12 00:00:23,866 --> 00:00:24,533 GRANT FROM TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN. 13 00:00:24,533 --> 00:00:25,200 MICHIGAN'S ONLY BI-PARTISAN, 14 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:25,900 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS FIRM, 15 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:26,600 SERVING STATE-WIDE, NATIONAL AND 16 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,300 INTERNATIONAL CLIENTS FROM THEIR 17 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:28,000 OFFICES IN LANSING, DETROIT AND 18 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:28,400 GRAND RAPIDS. 19 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:28,933 TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN.COM. 20 00:00:28,933 --> 00:00:29,533 HAGER FOX HEATING AND AIR 21 00:00:29,533 --> 00:00:30,200 CONDITIONING COMPANY, SERVING 22 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:30,900 THE GREATER-LANSING AREA SINCE 23 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:31,166 1941. 24 00:00:31,166 --> 00:00:31,866 PROVIDING SOLUTIONS AND CHOICES 25 00:00:31,866 --> 00:00:32,500 FOR HOME COMFORT DURING ALL 26 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:33,000 MICHIGAN SEASONS. 27 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:33,700 HAGER FOX AND BRYANT, WHATEVER 28 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:34,066 IT TAKES. 29 00:00:34,066 --> 00:00:52,166 HAGER FOX.COM." 30 00:00:52,166 --> 00:00:54,533 AND BY MSU COLLEGE OF 31 00:00:54,533 --> 00:00:55,900 AGRICULTURAL AND NATURAL 32 00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:57,466 RESOURCES, MICHIGAN STATE 33 00:00:57,466 --> 00:00:59,300 UNIVERSITY WANTS TO BE A TRUSTED 34 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:00,600 PARTNER IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT 35 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,700 FOOD AND WHERE IT COMES FROM 36 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:04,366 INCLUDING ITS IMPACT ON OUR 37 00:01:04,366 --> 00:01:05,866 HEALTH AND ON OUR PLANET LEARN 38 00:01:05,866 --> 00:01:09,966 MORE AT FOOD.MSU.EDU. 39 00:01:09,966 --> 00:01:12,000 AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE 40 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,266 RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK. 41 00:01:14,266 --> 00:01:15,400 WELL WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THE 42 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,900 END OF THIS YEAR AND INTO THE 43 00:01:16,900 --> 00:01:18,566 NEW YEAR WHAT WAS THE TOP STORY 44 00:01:18,566 --> 00:01:20,933 CHUCK FOR THIS PAST ONE? 45 00:01:20,933 --> 00:01:23,800 >> I WOULD SAY MICHIGAN ECONOMY 46 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,100 KEEPS HUMMING AND ME TOO WOMEN 47 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:28,000 IMPACTS MICHIGAN TOO. 48 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,033 >> THE ON GOING SCANDAL AT THE 49 00:01:30,033 --> 00:01:31,033 UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE AGENCY 50 00:01:31,033 --> 00:01:33,866 MORE THAN 37,000 PEOPLE WRONGLY 51 00:01:33,866 --> 00:01:35,166 ACCUSED OF FRAUD THE YEAR 52 00:01:35,166 --> 00:01:36,166 STARTED WITH THE SNYDER 53 00:01:36,166 --> 00:01:37,566 ADMINISTRATION SAYING NOTHING IS 54 00:01:37,566 --> 00:01:39,700 REALLY WRONG AND ENDS WITH THEM 55 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:40,600 CALLING FOR A VICTIM 56 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,000 COMPENSATION FUND. 57 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,566 >> ALTHOUGH IT'S NATIONAL I'M 58 00:01:43,566 --> 00:01:45,466 GOING TO JUST SAY THAT THE TRUMP 59 00:01:45,466 --> 00:01:48,966 PRESIDENCY BECAUSE THE TENTICLES 60 00:01:48,966 --> 00:01:50,866 GO INTO EVERY BIT OF POLITICS 61 00:01:50,866 --> 00:01:53,066 LOOKING INTO 2018 ELECTIONS AND 62 00:01:53,066 --> 00:01:54,166 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE 63 00:01:54,166 --> 00:01:54,433 STATE. 64 00:01:54,433 --> 00:01:55,833 >> I AGREE WITH ZOE AND ALSO SAY 65 00:01:55,833 --> 00:01:57,833 THE MOST BORING STORY OF THE 66 00:01:57,833 --> 00:01:59,500 YEAR BUT IT CONTINUES AND THAT 67 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:01,566 IS PUBLIC EMPLOYEE ENTITLEMENT 68 00:02:01,566 --> 00:02:06,600 REFORM, MUNICIPAL SCHOOL AND 69 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,266 ACHIEVEMENT OF THE LEGISLATURE 70 00:02:08,266 --> 00:02:09,933 THAT IS VERY HARD TO COVER, VERY 71 00:02:09,933 --> 00:02:10,933 HARD TO APPRECIATE. 72 00:02:10,933 --> 00:02:13,200 >> WE STARTED OUT THE YEAR WITH 73 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,800 TOM LEONARD WITH AN INCOME TAX 74 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,833 ROLL BACK. 75 00:02:19,833 --> 00:02:21,700 IT WAS A BAD START, WASN'T IT 76 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:23,566 FOR MR. SPEAKER. 77 00:02:23,566 --> 00:02:24,933 >> IT WAS JUST TO REFRESH 78 00:02:24,933 --> 00:02:26,266 EVERYBODY'S MEMORY THERE WAS 79 00:02:26,266 --> 00:02:29,700 THIS PEOPLE CALL IT INCOME TAX 80 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:31,700 CUT FEVER THE HOUSE RUSHED A 81 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:33,766 BILL TO THE FLOOR THAT FIRST 82 00:02:33,766 --> 00:02:35,066 WOULD HAVE PHASED OUT THE INCOME 83 00:02:35,066 --> 00:02:37,000 TAX OVER MANY, MANY YEARS THEN 84 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,100 EVENTUALLY THEY CHANGED IT TO 85 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:42,466 JUST REDUCE THE RATE TO 3.9% AND 86 00:02:42,466 --> 00:02:44,966 WITHOUT REALLY DOING THE GROUND 87 00:02:44,966 --> 00:02:47,966 WORK NECESSARILY TO GIVE BILL A 88 00:02:47,966 --> 00:02:49,766 CHANCE THEY PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE 89 00:02:49,766 --> 00:02:53,166 AND EVEN MORE ASTONISHINGLY 90 00:02:53,166 --> 00:02:54,833 DECIDED TO HAVE IT BE A RECORDED 91 00:02:54,833 --> 00:02:55,133 VOTE. 92 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:58,800 THE FIRST BIG VOTE OF THE 93 00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:59,866 SPEAKERSHIP IT GOES TO DEFEAT 94 00:02:59,866 --> 00:03:01,300 AND EXPOSED A LOT OF DIVISIONS 95 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:02,566 IN THE CAUCUS. 96 00:03:02,566 --> 00:03:04,133 >> THE GANG OF 12. 97 00:03:04,133 --> 00:03:05,266 >> I WOULD JUST SAY EVEN THOUGH 98 00:03:05,266 --> 00:03:07,200 IN THE NEWS MEDIA AND THE 99 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,033 GENERAL PUBLIC IT WAS PERCEIVED 100 00:03:09,033 --> 00:03:10,766 AS A HUGE EMBARRASSMENT TO 101 00:03:10,766 --> 00:03:11,200 LEONARD. 102 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,400 I REALLY DON'T THINK IT DID HIM 103 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,033 ANY LASTING DAMAGE WHATSOEVER 104 00:03:15,033 --> 00:03:17,366 AND I THINK HE FELT AND IN HIS 105 00:03:17,366 --> 00:03:19,200 OWN MIND THAT HE HAD TO PUT THAT 106 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,066 VOTE UP ON THE BOARD BECAUSE HIS 107 00:03:21,066 --> 00:03:23,666 CAUCUS WAS DEMANDING A ROLL CALL 108 00:03:23,666 --> 00:03:26,100 VOTE AND HE DID IT AND I DON'T 109 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:29,100 REALLY THINK HE SUFFERED ANY 110 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:29,800 CONSEQUENCES. 111 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,333 >> IF THE CAUCUS SAID TO GO JUMP 112 00:03:31,333 --> 00:03:33,033 IN THE LAKE WOULD HE GO JUMP IN 113 00:03:33,033 --> 00:03:33,700 THE LAKE? 114 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:34,866 >> NO ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE 115 00:03:34,866 --> 00:03:36,666 THEY WANTED A ROLL CALL, A LOT 116 00:03:36,666 --> 00:03:39,133 OF PEOPLE IN THE CAUCUS WE WANT 117 00:03:39,133 --> 00:03:40,466 A ROLL CALL. 118 00:03:40,466 --> 00:03:41,633 >> GET THEM ON THE RECORD AND 119 00:03:41,633 --> 00:03:43,200 EVEN IF WE LOSE IT WE WANT TO BE 120 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,900 ABLE TO POINT TO THAT ROLL CALL 121 00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:45,700 AND HE DID IT. 122 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:47,833 >> I THINK THE ISSUE THOUGH IS 123 00:03:47,833 --> 00:03:49,633 THAT HAD BEEN ONE ISOLATED EVENT 124 00:03:49,633 --> 00:03:51,000 THAT MAYBE THAT IS HOW WE COULD 125 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:51,466 TAKE IT. 126 00:03:51,466 --> 00:03:54,066 I THINK THE ISSUE OF AUTO NO 127 00:03:54,066 --> 00:03:55,866 FAULT WHICH YOU BROUGHT UP 128 00:03:55,866 --> 00:03:57,600 EARLIER BEFORE WE STARTED TAPING 129 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,500 AND ANOTHER ONE WHERE IT SEEMED 130 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:02,066 THE VOTE COUNTING WASN'T QUITE 131 00:04:02,066 --> 00:04:03,633 THERE OR NOT AWARE OF WHAT WAS 132 00:04:03,633 --> 00:04:05,166 GOING TO HAPPEN PUT IT UP ON THE 133 00:04:05,166 --> 00:04:07,533 BOARD AND SO I THINK IT AGAIN IF 134 00:04:07,533 --> 00:04:09,233 THE INCOME TAX WAS ISOLATED AND 135 00:04:09,233 --> 00:04:11,266 WE SAW IT ONCE AND WE SAW THE 136 00:04:11,266 --> 00:04:13,966 MOVIE AT LEAST TWICE AND IT SORT 137 00:04:13,966 --> 00:04:16,166 OF CONTINUED LEADERSHIP ON THE 138 00:04:16,166 --> 00:04:17,900 BOARD AND HOLDING LAWMAKERS IN 139 00:04:17,900 --> 00:04:19,533 THEIR SEATS TO VOTE WELL INTO 140 00:04:19,533 --> 00:04:20,166 THE NIGHT. 141 00:04:20,166 --> 00:04:21,966 >> THERE SEEMS TO BE A NEW 142 00:04:21,966 --> 00:04:24,433 MINDSET AT WORK WHETHER IT'S ONE 143 00:04:24,433 --> 00:04:26,900 OFF, ONE SESSION PHENOMENON THAT 144 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:29,433 IS NOT GOING TO LAST BEYOND 2018 145 00:04:29,433 --> 00:04:30,500 WE DON'T KNOW. 146 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,766 BUT ALL THESE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN 147 00:04:32,766 --> 00:04:36,533 USED TO HAVING VOTES PULLED OFF 148 00:04:36,533 --> 00:04:39,233 THE BOARD NEVER PUT UP IF THE 149 00:04:39,233 --> 00:04:40,233 VOTES WERE NOT THERE, THAT IS 150 00:04:40,233 --> 00:04:41,300 THE WAY YOU DID THAT. 151 00:04:41,300 --> 00:04:42,633 >> CLEAR THE BOARD, CLEAR THE 152 00:04:42,633 --> 00:04:44,400 BOARD OR DON'T PUT IT TO A VOTE. 153 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:51,466 NOW IT'S LOOK DAMN THE TORPEDOS 154 00:04:51,466 --> 00:04:52,533 FULL SPEED AHEAD. 155 00:04:52,533 --> 00:04:54,266 >> HE SAID IT'S LEADERSHIP AND 156 00:04:54,266 --> 00:04:55,200 OTHERS SAY IT'S NOT. 157 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,100 IT MAKES YOU WONDER KNOWING HE 158 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,100 HAS HIGHER POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS 159 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:01,633 NOW WAS HE DOING ALL THIS WITH 160 00:05:01,633 --> 00:05:03,333 THAT MORE IN MIND OR WAS HE 161 00:05:03,333 --> 00:05:05,066 DOING IT TO BE ABLE TO REALLY 162 00:05:05,066 --> 00:05:06,333 AFFECT THE LEGISLATION AND GET 163 00:05:06,333 --> 00:05:07,766 IT THROUGH OR DID HE JUST WANT 164 00:05:07,766 --> 00:05:10,200 TO AS YOU SAID ONE GET PEOPLE ON 165 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,600 THE RECORD TWO ALSO PUSH TOPICS 166 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,366 THAT HAVE NOT DONE WELL, MAYBE 167 00:05:16,366 --> 00:05:18,233 LAGGING FOR A LONG TIME OR BEEN 168 00:05:18,233 --> 00:05:19,966 IGNORED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND 169 00:05:19,966 --> 00:05:21,366 NOW HE CAN COME OUT AND HE CAN 170 00:05:21,366 --> 00:05:23,433 RUN A CAMPAIGN ON I MAY NOT HAVE 171 00:05:23,433 --> 00:05:25,866 GOTTEN IT DONE BUT I AT LEAST 172 00:05:25,866 --> 00:05:26,900 RAISED THE CONSCIOUS. 173 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:28,300 >> I HAD THE GUTS TO DO IT. 174 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:29,866 >> AND THAT IS THE CRITICISM 175 00:05:29,866 --> 00:05:31,333 AMONG THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN 176 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:33,500 IN THE CAPITOL FOR A LONG TIME 177 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:34,933 IS THIS WAS ALL ABOUT HIS 178 00:05:34,933 --> 00:05:36,400 CAMPAIGN FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL. 179 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,500 SHE WAS NOT OFFICIALLY A 180 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:38,900 CANDIDATE AT THAT POINT BUT 181 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:40,366 EVERYBODY KNEW HE WAS GOING TO 182 00:05:40,366 --> 00:05:41,800 RUN AND YOU HAVE TO WIN THE 183 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,666 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION AT A STATE 184 00:05:44,666 --> 00:05:45,700 CONVENTION WHICH IS A VERY 185 00:05:45,700 --> 00:05:46,833 CONSERVATIVE AUDIENCE AND TO 186 00:05:46,833 --> 00:05:48,633 BILL'S POINT I THINK IT ALSO 187 00:05:48,633 --> 00:05:50,700 LIKE YOU SAID THE NEW MINDSET 188 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:52,633 INSTEAD OF 56 VOTES AS THE 189 00:05:52,633 --> 00:05:55,300 MANTRA NOW THE NEW MANTRA IS WE 190 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:56,333 FOUGHT FOR THE CONSERVATIVE 191 00:05:56,333 --> 00:05:57,966 ISSUE AND DID NOT PASS IT WHO 192 00:05:57,966 --> 00:05:59,666 CARES WE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT. 193 00:05:59,666 --> 00:06:00,833 >> YOU ASKED WHAT WAS THE STORY 194 00:06:00,833 --> 00:06:02,033 OF THE YEAR AND YOU COULD SAY 195 00:06:02,033 --> 00:06:03,533 WHAT WAS THE STORY OF THE DECADE 196 00:06:03,533 --> 00:06:05,233 WHICH IS TERM LIMITS RIGHT AND 197 00:06:05,233 --> 00:06:08,166 WHAT WE ARE SEEING HAS 198 00:06:08,166 --> 00:06:09,066 CONSEQUENCES OF THEM AND THAT IS 199 00:06:09,066 --> 00:06:11,500 THAT EVEN WHEN FOLKS ARE IN A 200 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:13,033 JOB THERE IS ALWAYS LOOKING 201 00:06:13,033 --> 00:06:14,166 AHEAD AND SOME OF THE HOUSE 202 00:06:14,166 --> 00:06:15,933 VOTES WERE SETTING DIFFICULT 203 00:06:15,933 --> 00:06:17,500 VOTES UP SO THEY COULD THEN RUN 204 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:18,933 FOR SENATE BECAUSE AGAIN IT'S 205 00:06:18,933 --> 00:06:20,233 ANOTHER ELECTION AND LOOKING FOR 206 00:06:20,233 --> 00:06:22,533 ANOTHER JOB AFTER TERM LIMITS OR 207 00:06:22,533 --> 00:06:24,066 BECAUSE YOU COULD ONLY RUN FOR 208 00:06:24,066 --> 00:06:26,266 SO LONG AND TAKE THE VOTE SO 209 00:06:26,266 --> 00:06:28,100 WHEN YOU RUN FOR THE NEXT JOB 210 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:29,033 YOU CAN SAY. 211 00:06:29,033 --> 00:06:30,100 >> GO AHEAD CHUCK. 212 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:31,433 >> I WAS GOING TO SAY GIVEN ALL 213 00:06:31,433 --> 00:06:34,200 THE TURN OVER WE HAVE SEEN 214 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,466 POLITICALLY THIS YEAR WE MAYBE 215 00:06:35,466 --> 00:06:38,833 DON'T NEED TERM LIMITS. 216 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:40,000 >> MAYBE A GOOD POINT, ONE OF 217 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,966 THE STORIES WE KICKED AROUND ARE 218 00:06:41,966 --> 00:06:43,100 ALL OF THE PEOPLE GOING TO RUN 219 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:45,133 FOR GOVERNOR IN 2017 AND BAILED 220 00:06:45,133 --> 00:06:46,566 AND HAVE A SHORT LIST HERE 221 00:06:46,566 --> 00:06:50,833 MR. KILDEE, MR. -- MS. MILLER 222 00:06:50,833 --> 00:06:53,100 AND HERE IS ONE I HAVE A CLIP 223 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:54,400 MARK BERNSTEIN. 224 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,733 THIS PANEL WAS ASKED TO EVALUATE 225 00:06:56,733 --> 00:07:01,966 HIM GETTING IN AND HERE IT IS. 226 00:07:01,966 --> 00:07:03,433 TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, OKAY? 227 00:07:03,433 --> 00:07:04,733 TAKE A LOOK. 228 00:07:04,733 --> 00:07:06,733 LET'S GO DOWN THE TABLE ON 229 00:07:06,733 --> 00:07:09,266 BERNSTEIN IN OR OUT? 230 00:07:09,266 --> 00:07:11,500 >> I THINK HE MAY BE IN. 231 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:12,733 >> I THINK HE IS PROBABLY GOING 232 00:07:12,733 --> 00:07:13,233 TO GET IN. 233 00:07:13,233 --> 00:07:15,500 >> I SAY 90% IN. 234 00:07:15,500 --> 00:07:16,400 >> I SAY THE SAME. 235 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,400 >> YEAH, I THINK IT'S 90% IN. 236 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,300 [ LAUGHTER ] 237 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:25,066 DIDN'T HAVE TO ASK ON THE SHOW. 238 00:07:25,066 --> 00:07:30,133 >> OH, MY GOD. 239 00:07:30,133 --> 00:07:33,866 BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT AT HOME AND 240 00:07:33,866 --> 00:07:36,500 LISTENING TO AUSTIN. 241 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:37,666 >> IF YOU WANT THE INSIDE STORY 242 00:07:37,666 --> 00:07:39,200 HERE IT IS, HOW DID WE GET IT 243 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,400 WRONG? 244 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:40,933 >> I WILL SAY. 245 00:07:40,933 --> 00:07:42,533 >> I THINK WE WERE RIGHT AT THE 246 00:07:42,533 --> 00:07:42,933 TIME. 247 00:07:42,933 --> 00:07:44,866 >> I WAS GOING TO SAY AS MUCH 248 00:07:44,866 --> 00:07:46,633 AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DO A, YOU 249 00:07:46,633 --> 00:07:50,000 KNOW, WE ALL BELIEVE HAD 250 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:50,966 CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS VERY 251 00:07:50,966 --> 00:07:52,933 CLOSE TO MARK BERNSTEIN THAT 252 00:07:52,933 --> 00:07:55,166 MADE US ALL BELIEVE THAT AT THAT 253 00:07:55,166 --> 00:07:57,533 POINT HE WAS THAT CLOSE AND US 254 00:07:57,533 --> 00:07:59,466 IN LIFE WE ALL MAKE DIFFERENT 255 00:07:59,466 --> 00:07:59,800 DECISIONS. 256 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,066 I THINK MAYBE POSSIBLY IF YOU 257 00:08:02,066 --> 00:08:03,733 ASKED HIMSELF ON THE DAY OF THE 258 00:08:03,733 --> 00:08:05,866 TAPING HE MAY HAVE ALSO SAID 80, 259 00:08:05,866 --> 00:08:08,333 90% WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE 260 00:08:08,333 --> 00:08:10,566 EXCUSES HERE SOMEONE ELSE HELP 261 00:08:10,566 --> 00:08:14,200 ME OUT. 262 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,233 >> GO DOWN WITH YOU. 263 00:08:16,233 --> 00:08:18,566 [ LAUGHTER ] 264 00:08:18,566 --> 00:08:20,500 AND I CERTAINLY OVERLOOKED WAS 265 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,333 THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIS FAMILY'S 266 00:08:22,333 --> 00:08:23,866 LAW FIRM IF HE RAN. 267 00:08:23,866 --> 00:08:24,366 >> YES. 268 00:08:24,366 --> 00:08:27,400 >> THAT IS THE FAMILY'S LEGACY 269 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,633 AND WHILE I THINK ALL OF US WHO 270 00:08:29,633 --> 00:08:31,333 COVER THINGS IN POLITICS THAT IS 271 00:08:31,333 --> 00:08:32,133 OUR FOCUS. 272 00:08:32,133 --> 00:08:33,800 WE GOT ALL CAUGHT UP IN HE IS 273 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,500 THINKING ABOUT IT, WELL WHY 274 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:37,200 WOULDN'T HE RUN, HE HAS THE 275 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,833 MONEY AND THE NAME ID BUT HIS 276 00:08:38,833 --> 00:08:40,666 BROTHER ALREADY LEFT THE FIRM TO 277 00:08:40,666 --> 00:08:42,633 BECOME A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. 278 00:08:42,633 --> 00:08:44,400 HIS FATHER IS TOWARD THE END OF 279 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,566 HIS CAREER AND REALLY WOULD HAVE 280 00:08:46,566 --> 00:08:48,266 LEFT ONLY HIS SISTER AND IT'S 281 00:08:48,266 --> 00:08:49,766 MARK BERNSTEIN WHO IS THE FACE 282 00:08:49,766 --> 00:08:51,133 OF THE FIRM IN THE 283 00:08:51,133 --> 00:08:53,100 ADVERTISEMENTS AND THE 284 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:54,433 CONSEQUENCES OF HIM LEAVING AND 285 00:08:54,433 --> 00:08:55,600 WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE MEANT I 286 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,900 THINK THAT WAS OVERLOOKED. 287 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:57,666 >> I BELIEVE. 288 00:08:57,666 --> 00:09:00,400 >> PRESSURE FROM THE DAD. 289 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,333 >> NO. 290 00:09:03,333 --> 00:09:04,700 >> IF I'M GONE WHO IS RUNNING 291 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:05,533 THE SHOW? 292 00:09:05,533 --> 00:09:08,266 >> I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, HE IS 293 00:09:08,266 --> 00:09:10,266 RELATIVELY YOUNG. 294 00:09:10,266 --> 00:09:10,833 >> PLENTY OF TIME. 295 00:09:10,833 --> 00:09:12,100 >> I DO NOT THINK THIS IS THE 296 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:13,566 LAST THAT WE HAVE HEARD AND 297 00:09:13,566 --> 00:09:15,100 LET'S BE CLEAR HE ALREADY DOES 298 00:09:15,100 --> 00:09:19,800 HAVE, YOU KNOW, REGION AT THE 299 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,266 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN AND LIKE 300 00:09:21,266 --> 00:09:22,700 HE DOESN'T HAVE A PLATFORM WHICH 301 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:24,633 TO JUMP AND ALSO HAS YOUNG KIDS. 302 00:09:24,633 --> 00:09:26,466 >> ANOTHER ELEMENT I TALKED TO 303 00:09:26,466 --> 00:09:27,933 HIM PRIVATELY ABOUT THIS 304 00:09:27,933 --> 00:09:29,300 AFTERWARDS HE SAID IF I GOT 305 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:30,000 ELECTED I WOULD HAVE A 306 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,600 REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE WHAT THE 307 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,500 HECK COULD I GET DONE AND THAT 308 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:35,933 IS A REASONABLE POINT OF VIEW 309 00:09:35,933 --> 00:09:37,300 BUT YOU CAN FIND HOPEFULLY 310 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:38,466 COMMON GROUND. 311 00:09:38,466 --> 00:09:40,566 >> REASONS A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE 312 00:09:40,566 --> 00:09:41,466 ANTICIPATING HE WOULD RUN IS 313 00:09:41,466 --> 00:09:42,800 BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE 314 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,966 WOULD BE A GOOD GOVERNOR AND 315 00:09:44,966 --> 00:09:46,166 THAT HE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY 316 00:09:46,166 --> 00:09:48,133 TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE AND 317 00:09:48,133 --> 00:09:49,333 WORK WITH REPUBLICANS TO A 318 00:09:49,333 --> 00:09:51,100 CERTAIN EXTENT BETTER THAN SOME 319 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:52,466 OTHER POLITICAL FIGURES WE CAN 320 00:09:52,466 --> 00:09:53,166 THINK OF. 321 00:09:53,166 --> 00:09:54,800 >> AND IT GOES IN THE NARRATIVE 322 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,066 AGAIN OF A GROUP OF FOLKS 323 00:09:58,066 --> 00:09:59,900 WONDERING OR NOT WHETHER 324 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:02,100 GRETCHEN WHITMER IS THE 325 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:04,433 STRONGEST CANDIDATE. 326 00:10:04,433 --> 00:10:06,300 THERE WAS A CONTINUED 327 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:08,733 CONVERSATION WHEN KILDEE DECIDED 328 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:11,033 NOT TO RUN WOULD SOMEONE JUMP IN 329 00:10:11,033 --> 00:10:13,400 AND MARK BERNSTEIN I BELIEVE 330 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,066 OWES ALL OF US A BEER. 331 00:10:15,066 --> 00:10:16,400 >> I THINK THERE HAD TO BE SOME 332 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,000 BACK ROOM CONVERSATIONS WITHIN 333 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,200 THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STRUCTURE 334 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,966 HERE TO SAY LOOK IT'S GOING TO 335 00:10:21,966 --> 00:10:23,666 BE A WIDE OPEN RACE FOR GOVERNOR 336 00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:24,666 NEXT TIME AROUND. 337 00:10:24,666 --> 00:10:27,266 WE HAVE BEEN OUT OF THAT OFFICE 338 00:10:27,266 --> 00:10:30,300 FOR EIGHT YEARS ONCE SNYDER'S 339 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:32,500 TERM IS FINISHED DO WE REALLY 340 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:34,133 NEED TO HAVE A BLOOD BATH IN THE 341 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:35,233 DEMOCRATIC PARTY. 342 00:10:35,233 --> 00:10:36,600 >> WHAT KIND OF YEAR DID 343 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,133 GOVERNOR SNYDER HAVE? 344 00:10:38,133 --> 00:10:39,300 >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS A VERY 345 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:39,800 GOOD YEAR. 346 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,500 I GUESS YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM 347 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:43,600 TWO STAND POINTS THE ECONOMY 348 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,000 CONTINUED TO GROW AND IT WAS 349 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,433 STRONG AND REALLY WHAT HE 350 00:10:46,433 --> 00:10:47,866 FOCUSED ON SO HE IS FOCUSED ON 351 00:10:47,866 --> 00:10:51,133 HIS ISSUES THE ECONOMY GROWING 352 00:10:51,133 --> 00:10:52,900 TALENT THE WORKFORCE. 353 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:54,033 MEANWHILE HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE 354 00:10:54,033 --> 00:10:56,533 ANY MAJOR INITIATIVES THAT HE 355 00:10:56,533 --> 00:10:58,166 WAS CHAMPIONING IN THE 356 00:10:58,166 --> 00:10:59,166 LEGISLATURE SO THE LEGISLATURE 357 00:10:59,166 --> 00:11:01,533 WAS SORT OF A DRIFT DOING ITS 358 00:11:01,533 --> 00:11:03,133 OWN THING FORCING SOME THINGS 359 00:11:03,133 --> 00:11:04,966 DOWN HIS THROAT HE WASN'T 360 00:11:04,966 --> 00:11:06,500 THRILLED WITH AND HAD THE 361 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:07,866 UNEMPLOYMENT AGENCY SCANDAL THAT 362 00:11:07,866 --> 00:11:09,600 JUST SPUN TOTALLY OUT OF 363 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:09,933 CONTROL. 364 00:11:09,933 --> 00:11:11,933 HIS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES 365 00:11:11,933 --> 00:11:14,033 DIRECTOR NICK LIONS GETS CHARGED 366 00:11:14,033 --> 00:11:16,200 IN THE FLINT WATER CRISIS, YOU 367 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,466 HAVE A SPECTER OF THE GOVERNOR 368 00:11:19,466 --> 00:11:23,666 AND TOP AID ABOUT TESTIMONY 369 00:11:23,666 --> 00:11:27,466 ABOUT WHAT HE KNEE ABOUT 370 00:11:27,466 --> 00:11:29,900 LEGIONNAIRES UNDER OATH. 371 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:32,000 >> HE ALSO SUFFERED A BIG DEFEAT 372 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,333 AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH THE 373 00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:34,300 SUPREME COURT RULING. 374 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:34,933 >> YES, SIR. 375 00:11:34,933 --> 00:11:36,666 >> WHICH HE FOUGHT ON THE ISSUE 376 00:11:36,666 --> 00:11:39,366 OF 550 MILLION TO TEACHERS 377 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:45,433 RETURNED UNCONSTITUTIONALLY 378 00:11:45,433 --> 00:11:47,466 TAKEN AWAY TO 2012. 379 00:11:47,466 --> 00:11:49,400 I THINK IT WAS A VERY QUIET YEAR 380 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,200 FOR RICK SNYDER BUT ON THE OTHER 381 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,700 HAND IF YOU LOOK AT POLLS HIS 382 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:57,233 APPROVAL RATING, HIS JOB RATING 383 00:11:57,233 --> 00:11:58,533 TICKED UP A LITTLE BIT DURING 384 00:11:58,533 --> 00:12:00,133 THE YEAR SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WAS 385 00:12:00,133 --> 00:12:02,466 ABLE TO RECOVER FROM THE FLINT 386 00:12:02,466 --> 00:12:04,066 WATER CRISIS WHICH REALLY DROVE 387 00:12:04,066 --> 00:12:05,233 HIM DOWN. 388 00:12:05,233 --> 00:12:07,333 >> I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF 389 00:12:07,333 --> 00:12:08,800 THAT AND LOOK AT IT SLIGHTLY 390 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,766 DIFFERENT GIVEN THE YEAR HE HAD 391 00:12:10,766 --> 00:12:13,033 BEFORE COMING OFF OF ALL OF THE 392 00:12:13,033 --> 00:12:15,166 SCANDALS I THINK PART OF IT WAS 393 00:12:15,166 --> 00:12:17,600 CAN I JUST GET THROUGH THIS YEAR 394 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,800 WITHOUT ANOTHER MAJOR 395 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,266 CATASTROPHE AND I THINK BACK TO 396 00:12:21,266 --> 00:12:22,800 THE OLD BILL CLINTON LINE IT'S 397 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,600 ABOUT THE ECONOMY STUPID AND THE 398 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,600 ECONOMY CONTINUES TO HUM ALONG 399 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:27,933 IN MICHIGAN, IT MADE 400 00:12:27,933 --> 00:12:29,900 IMPROVEMENTS. 401 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:32,366 HIS APPROVAL RATING IMPROVED 402 00:12:32,366 --> 00:12:35,433 SOME, NOT HUGELY BUT HE IS STILL 403 00:12:35,433 --> 00:12:38,700 IN THE WATER BUT IT MADE MOVING 404 00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:40,600 IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND THAT 405 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,466 IS A BIG STEP GIVEN WHAT HE HAD 406 00:12:42,466 --> 00:12:43,900 TO DEAL WITH THE LAST YEAR AND 407 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:45,800 YOU KEEP IN MIND HE STILL HAD TO 408 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,800 DEAL WITH A WHOLE LOT OF FLINT 409 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:48,400 AFTERMATH. 410 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,366 A LOT OF STUFF THAT DIDN'T MAKE 411 00:12:50,366 --> 00:12:51,933 HEADLINES BUT STILL A LOT OF 412 00:12:51,933 --> 00:12:54,300 ENERGY AND A LOT OF TIME THAT 413 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:55,733 HIS ADMINISTRATION HAD TO PUT 414 00:12:55,733 --> 00:12:56,400 INTO FLINT. 415 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:57,700 >> BILL SCHUETTE WHO WOULD LIKE 416 00:12:57,700 --> 00:13:03,966 HIS JOB NEXT CONTINUING TO MAKE 417 00:13:03,966 --> 00:13:08,333 THE FLINT THE HEADLINE STORY. 418 00:13:08,333 --> 00:13:10,766 >> MAJOR CITIES DID PRETTY DARN 419 00:13:10,766 --> 00:13:13,100 WELL AND DETROIT IS HUMMING 420 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:15,533 ALONG AND DOWNTOWN, MIDTOWN ALL 421 00:13:15,533 --> 00:13:19,633 KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS AND THE 422 00:13:19,633 --> 00:13:21,833 DETROIT PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS 423 00:13:21,833 --> 00:13:24,033 TAKEN A DIFFERENT TURN INSTEAD 424 00:13:24,033 --> 00:13:25,533 OF PEOPLE LEAVING THEY ARE 425 00:13:25,533 --> 00:13:26,100 COMING BACK. 426 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:28,166 >> TO ADD TO THAT THE IDEA 427 00:13:28,166 --> 00:13:29,800 MICHIGAN MAY REACH A POPULATION 428 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,866 OF 20 MILLION BY 2020 WHICH IS 429 00:13:32,866 --> 00:13:34,000 SOMETHING THE GOVERNOR PUSHED 430 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,266 FOR MAKING MICHIGAN ANOTHER 10 431 00:13:36,266 --> 00:13:37,666 MILLION POPULATION. 432 00:13:37,666 --> 00:13:44,566 >> REACH IT AGAIN. 433 00:13:44,566 --> 00:13:45,300 VERY TRUE. 434 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:48,766 >> HE WAS ENGAGED AND HE DIDN'T 435 00:13:48,766 --> 00:13:50,233 IGNORE THE LEGISLATURE BUT WHAT 436 00:13:50,233 --> 00:13:51,966 WAS HIS BIG CENTER PIECE FOR THE 437 00:13:51,966 --> 00:13:58,033 YEAR TO WORK ON? 438 00:13:58,033 --> 00:14:00,300 >> TEACHER PENSION REFORM 439 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:01,266 DICTATED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND 440 00:14:01,266 --> 00:14:03,033 WHAT HE PUSHED HARD FOR THE 441 00:14:03,033 --> 00:14:04,600 MUNICIPAL RETIREMENT LEGISLATION 442 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,466 HE DID NOT GET MOST OF WHAT HE 443 00:14:07,466 --> 00:14:10,800 WANTED, HE IS TRYING TO PUT AN 444 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,666 UNDERSTANDABLY POSITIVE SPIN ON 445 00:14:12,666 --> 00:14:15,933 IT AND THAT IS GREAT AND HAS 446 00:14:15,933 --> 00:14:17,366 EVERY RIGHT TO SAY THAT BUT THE 447 00:14:17,366 --> 00:14:18,600 LEGISLATURE QUICKLY MIXED WHAT 448 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,533 HE WAS REALLY GOING FOR THERE. 449 00:14:20,533 --> 00:14:24,766 >> AT THE END OF THE YEAR HE DID 450 00:14:24,766 --> 00:14:26,033 GET PATHWAYS THROUGH THE HOUSE 451 00:14:26,033 --> 00:14:27,766 AND THE SENATE AND GIVES HIM 452 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:29,066 MOMENTUM AND CERTAINLY SOMETHING 453 00:14:29,066 --> 00:14:31,800 I THINK HE IS GOING TO EMPHASIZE 454 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,700 ON THE STATE OF THE STATE AND 455 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:34,000 PUT PRESSURE ON THE SENATE TO DO 456 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,300 THIS FOR EDUCATION. 457 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:37,200 >> HEADLINE FIVE, REFUSE TO GO 458 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,200 AWAY. 459 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,233 >> WHERE IS THIS THING HEADING. 460 00:14:40,233 --> 00:14:45,000 >> PETITION DRIVE OUT THERE I 461 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,433 DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO ANY 462 00:14:46,433 --> 00:14:47,666 WHERE AND CONTINUE TO BE A STORY 463 00:14:47,666 --> 00:14:49,300 AND COULD BLOWUP AT ANY TIME AND 464 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:50,400 SORRY FOR THE METAPHOR. 465 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:56,500 >> WE SAW SLIGHT CHANGES I WOULD 466 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:58,400 SAY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A TASK 467 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,700 FORCE THAT CAME OUT AND THEN AN 468 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:02,333 OKAY BETWEEN THE STATE AND 469 00:15:02,333 --> 00:15:05,033 EMBRIDGE THING WE WILL SHUT IT 470 00:15:05,033 --> 00:15:06,666 DOWN NOW IF THERE IS BAD WEATHER 471 00:15:06,666 --> 00:15:09,033 AND FEELS LIKE IT'S THE LITTLE 472 00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:11,366 ITTY-BITTY STEPS AND MEANWHILE 473 00:15:11,366 --> 00:15:14,533 AS WE TALKED ABOUT ON THIS PANEL 474 00:15:14,533 --> 00:15:15,600 BEFORE DRIP DRIP DRIP FROM 475 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,266 EMBRIDGE SAYING ONE THING AND 476 00:15:19,266 --> 00:15:20,666 SOMETIMES WEEKS AND MONTHS LATER 477 00:15:20,666 --> 00:15:22,233 WE FIND OUT STILL WHAT THEY ARE 478 00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:23,533 SAYING IS A LITTLE BIT OF 479 00:15:23,533 --> 00:15:25,266 CORROSION THE SIZE OF AN INCH IS 480 00:15:25,266 --> 00:15:26,933 SUDDENLY THE SIZE OF A PLATE AND 481 00:15:26,933 --> 00:15:28,800 OH, THIS IS NOT QUITE WHAT WE 482 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,866 THOUGHT IT WAS INITIALLY AND 483 00:15:29,866 --> 00:15:31,566 DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS IT 484 00:15:31,566 --> 00:15:32,966 SEEMS LIKE AND I THINK IT'S 485 00:15:32,966 --> 00:15:34,300 ABSOLUTELY GOING IN A 2018 486 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:35,766 SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO 487 00:15:35,766 --> 00:15:36,866 BECOME A PART OF THE 488 00:15:36,866 --> 00:15:38,300 GUBERNATORIAL RACE, BILL 489 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:39,700 SCHUETTE TALKED ABOUT IT SAYING 490 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:45,133 EMBRIDGE LINE FIVE DAYS ARE 491 00:15:45,133 --> 00:15:47,633 NUMBERED AND THAT IS GOING TO BE 492 00:15:47,633 --> 00:15:49,000 A CONTINUED STORY IN THE NEW 493 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:49,833 YEAR. 494 00:15:49,833 --> 00:15:51,233 >> FEELS LIKE A YEAR WHERE THE 495 00:15:51,233 --> 00:15:52,400 ACTIVISTS WHO WANT THE PIPELINE 496 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,500 TO BE CLOSED GAINED THE MOMENTUM 497 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:58,900 AND STILL STRUGGLING TO GET 498 00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:01,533 TRACTION BUT EMBRIDGE WITH A 499 00:16:01,533 --> 00:16:03,600 LITANY OF DISCLOSURES THEY HAD 500 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,566 NOT BEEN STRAIGHT WITH THE 501 00:16:04,566 --> 00:16:06,366 PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THE SITUATION 502 00:16:06,366 --> 00:16:09,100 WAS NOW THE YEAR ENDS AND THEY 503 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:10,600 ARE UNDER HEAVY CRITICISM FROM 504 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,866 THE SNYDER ADMINISTRATION WHICH 505 00:16:11,866 --> 00:16:13,533 HAS NOT BEEN VERY CRITICAL FOR 506 00:16:13,533 --> 00:16:14,633 THEM AT THE START OF THE YEAR 507 00:16:14,633 --> 00:16:16,066 AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE THE 508 00:16:16,066 --> 00:16:17,533 MOMENTUM HAS REALLY TURNED ON 509 00:16:17,533 --> 00:16:19,666 THIS AND SOME HUGE DECISIONS 510 00:16:19,666 --> 00:16:21,066 AWAIT NEXT YEAR ON THE FATE OF 511 00:16:21,066 --> 00:16:21,500 IT. 512 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:24,866 >> EMBRIDGE BECAME ITS OWN WORST 513 00:16:24,866 --> 00:16:26,066 ENEMY WITH THE PUBLIC DISPUTE 514 00:16:26,066 --> 00:16:27,333 WITH THE SNYDER ADMINISTRATION 515 00:16:27,333 --> 00:16:28,400 DID NOT HELP THEM. 516 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,966 >> THE ETCHU STORY. 517 00:16:31,966 --> 00:16:33,133 >> I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY OVER 518 00:16:33,133 --> 00:16:34,466 AT THIS POINT. 519 00:16:34,466 --> 00:16:38,466 IT DIDN'T TURN OUT TO BE THE 520 00:16:38,466 --> 00:16:39,533 STORY THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT IT 521 00:16:39,533 --> 00:16:40,100 MIGHT BE. 522 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:41,333 >> WHERE DID YOU THINK THAT WAS 523 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:41,866 HEADED? 524 00:16:41,866 --> 00:16:43,266 >> I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS HEADED 525 00:16:43,266 --> 00:16:44,833 ANYWHERE AND I SAID SO ON THIS 526 00:16:44,833 --> 00:16:45,200 PROGRAM. 527 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:45,700 >> YOU DID. 528 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,100 >> MOST PEOPLE DISAGREED WITH ME 529 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:48,800 AND THEY SAID THIS THING COULD 530 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,866 GET WORSE AND IT'S BAD AND IT 531 00:16:50,866 --> 00:16:53,300 HASN'T BEEN HANDLED WELL MAYBE 532 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:54,766 ALL OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE BUT 533 00:16:54,766 --> 00:16:56,033 NOTHING REALLY CAME OF IT. 534 00:16:56,033 --> 00:16:58,200 >> I THINK THIS WAS ANOTHER 535 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,033 STORY AND PUT A REMINDER THIS IS 536 00:17:00,033 --> 00:17:01,266 THE DIRECTOR OF THE MICHIGAN 537 00:17:01,266 --> 00:17:03,666 STATE POLICE WHO POSTED ON 538 00:17:03,666 --> 00:17:06,133 FACEBOOK ON HER PRIVATE FACEBOOK 539 00:17:06,133 --> 00:17:12,533 ACCOUNT SOME COMMENTS ABOUT FOLK 540 00:17:12,533 --> 00:17:13,900 WHOSE WERE TAKING A KNEE IN 541 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,000 PROTEST THIS IS ANOTHER 542 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,733 INDICATION OF THE SNYDER 543 00:17:16,733 --> 00:17:17,833 ADMINISTRATION KIND OF DRIP DRIP 544 00:17:17,833 --> 00:17:20,100 DRIP OF NEWS THAT I CAN REMEMBER 545 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:21,533 WEEKS THAT WE WERE HERE TALKING 546 00:17:21,533 --> 00:17:22,533 ABOUT IT. 547 00:17:22,533 --> 00:17:24,066 >> A TWO-DAY STORY. 548 00:17:24,066 --> 00:17:25,366 >> INSTEAD I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 549 00:17:25,366 --> 00:17:26,866 WEEKS BECAUSE FIRST IT WAS WELL 550 00:17:26,866 --> 00:17:28,233 WE ARE HAVING A PRIVATE 551 00:17:28,233 --> 00:17:29,833 CONVERSATION WITH HER THEN IT 552 00:17:29,833 --> 00:17:31,300 WAS SHE MET WITH THE BLACK 553 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:32,766 CAUCUS THEN SHE MET WITH OTHER 554 00:17:32,766 --> 00:17:34,633 FOLKS AND IT WAS OKAY OR COMING 555 00:17:34,633 --> 00:17:35,566 UP, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 556 00:17:35,566 --> 00:17:37,100 WHAT TO DO NEXT AND NOW SHE IS 557 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:38,500 GOING TO TAKE THIS LEAVE AND IT 558 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:41,200 WAS JUST SORT OF ONE DAY AFTER 559 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:41,833 THE NEXT. 560 00:17:41,833 --> 00:17:43,666 >> IN ALL FAIRNESS SNYDER DID 561 00:17:43,666 --> 00:17:45,633 STAND BEHIND HER FROM THE VERY 562 00:17:45,633 --> 00:17:45,966 BEGINNING. 563 00:17:45,966 --> 00:17:47,066 >> FROM THE GET GO. 564 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:48,666 NEVER LEANED ONE WAY OR THE 565 00:17:48,666 --> 00:17:49,333 OTHER. 566 00:17:49,333 --> 00:17:49,966 >> ABSOLUTELY. 567 00:17:49,966 --> 00:17:52,466 >> THE FLINT WATER INVESTIGATION 568 00:17:52,466 --> 00:17:54,200 CONTINUED AND WE ARE MOVING INTO 569 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,100 THE THIRD YEAR, THIRD YEAR. 570 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,766 THIS COULD BLOWUP AGAIN IN THE 571 00:17:57,766 --> 00:17:59,033 LAST YEAR OF THE SNYDER 572 00:17:59,033 --> 00:18:00,066 ADMINISTRATION AND IT COULD GET 573 00:18:00,066 --> 00:18:00,966 A LOT WORSE. 574 00:18:00,966 --> 00:18:02,900 >> LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME I 575 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:04,233 INTERVIEWED BILL SCHUETTE AND I 576 00:18:04,233 --> 00:18:05,766 SAID DO YOU THINK WE ARE CLOSER 577 00:18:05,766 --> 00:18:06,866 TO THE END OF THE INVESTIGATION 578 00:18:06,866 --> 00:18:08,366 THAN THE BEGINNING AND HE SAID 579 00:18:08,366 --> 00:18:08,800 YES. 580 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,233 WELL IT'S NOW BEEN A FULL YEAR 581 00:18:11,233 --> 00:18:14,566 SINCE THEN AND IT'S NOT OVER 582 00:18:14,566 --> 00:18:16,866 BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE 583 00:18:16,866 --> 00:18:18,500 INVESTIGATION AND IT'S A LITTLE 584 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:20,100 UNCLEAR YET WHERE THIS COULD YET 585 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,566 GO AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL PEOPLE 586 00:18:22,566 --> 00:18:25,300 BEING CHARGED, YOU KNOW, THE 587 00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:27,100 TRIAL PHASE NO ONE HAS BEEN EVEN 588 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:28,800 BOUND OVER FOR TRIAL. 589 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,266 >> PLEA DEALS. 590 00:18:32,266 --> 00:18:34,633 >> 43 WITNESSES WHEN YOU HAVE 43 591 00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:36,100 WITNESSES IN DISTRICT COURT 592 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,433 TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER IT 593 00:18:37,433 --> 00:18:38,733 SHOULD BE BOUND OVER IT'S GOING 594 00:18:38,733 --> 00:18:40,533 TO TAKE FOREVER, THE BIG DISPUTE 595 00:18:40,533 --> 00:18:42,766 RIGHT NOW LEGALLY IS BILL 596 00:18:42,766 --> 00:18:45,200 SCHUETTE HOPING TO RUN OUT THE 597 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,900 CLOCK AND MAYBE JUST HAVE THIS 598 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:48,266 THING DRIP ALL THE WAY THROUGH 599 00:18:48,266 --> 00:18:50,833 2018 AND NOT REACH A CONCLUSION 600 00:18:50,833 --> 00:18:57,666 BEFORE THE ELECTION OR LOOK IF 601 00:18:57,666 --> 00:18:59,600 HE GETS A VERDICT BEFORE THE 602 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,066 ELECTION IT SHOULD BE A GOOD ONE 603 00:19:01,066 --> 00:19:03,533 OR HE WILL END UP WITH A BIG 604 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:04,333 LIABILITY. 605 00:19:04,333 --> 00:19:05,866 >> DO SOME OF THESE BIG 606 00:19:05,866 --> 00:19:08,033 DEFENDANTS LIKE NICK LION HEALTH 607 00:19:08,033 --> 00:19:09,733 AND HUMAN SERVICES DIRECTOR ARE 608 00:19:09,733 --> 00:19:12,233 THEY ACTUALLY BOUND OVER FOR 609 00:19:12,233 --> 00:19:13,900 TRIAL, THE HEARINGS TO DETERMINE 610 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:15,633 THAT ARE GOING ON AND ON AND ON 611 00:19:15,633 --> 00:19:18,900 AND YOU KNOW YOU KNOW IS THERE 612 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:20,333 PROBABLE CAUSE THEY WERE 613 00:19:20,333 --> 00:19:21,266 RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF 614 00:19:21,266 --> 00:19:25,100 PEOPLE UNDER LEGIONNAIRESS THAT 615 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:26,833 CAN BE SOMETHING ONCE THE LOWER 616 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:28,433 COURT MAKES A DECISION HAS TO BE 617 00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:30,933 RESOLVED BY THE SUPREME COURT. 618 00:19:30,933 --> 00:19:32,200 >> ABSOLUTELY I AGREE YOU CAN GO 619 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,466 A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND NOT 620 00:19:33,466 --> 00:19:34,833 SURE WHICH WAY IT'S GOING TO GO 621 00:19:34,833 --> 00:19:36,500 BEFORE THE END OF THE SNYDER 622 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:37,500 ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW IT'S 623 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:39,500 ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ASTERISK 624 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:43,900 ON HIS RESUME WHETHER OR NOT 625 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:46,733 THAT ASTERISKS TURNS INTO AN 626 00:19:46,733 --> 00:19:47,666 EXCLAMATION POINT IS THE 627 00:19:47,666 --> 00:19:49,166 QUESTION AND IF HIS LEGACY WILL 628 00:19:49,166 --> 00:19:50,833 BE DEFINED BY FLINT IS STILL THE 629 00:19:50,833 --> 00:19:51,866 BIG QUESTION MARK. 630 00:19:51,866 --> 00:19:54,066 IT MAY TURN OUT YEARS FROM NOW 631 00:19:54,066 --> 00:19:56,900 IT WILL NOT BE BUT BY THE SAME 632 00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:58,566 TOKEN IT COULD BLOWUP AS YOU 633 00:19:58,566 --> 00:20:00,066 SAID RIGHT IN HIS FACE AND 634 00:20:00,066 --> 00:20:01,300 EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HE MAY HAVE 635 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:03,200 DONE DURING HIS EIGHT YEARS THAT 636 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,400 WAS POSITIVE GETS TOTALLY OVER 637 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,633 SHADOWED BY THIS. 638 00:20:06,633 --> 00:20:08,700 >> THERE IS OF COURSE THE PEOPLE 639 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:10,966 OF FLINT WHO ARE LASTING EFFECTS 640 00:20:10,966 --> 00:20:14,300 FROM LEAD POISONING I THINK THE 641 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:15,633 UNDER REPORTED STORIES IS JUST 642 00:20:15,633 --> 00:20:17,200 HOW MUCH MONEY THIS IS COSTING 643 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,333 BOTH SIDES THAT WE ARE NOW IN 644 00:20:18,333 --> 00:20:21,933 THE EIGHT FIGURES OF LEGAL COSTS 645 00:20:21,933 --> 00:20:23,800 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYERS I 646 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,800 THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT 647 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,800 KIND OF GOES UNNOTICED, 648 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,100 TAXPAYERS ARE NOW PAYING FOR 649 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:30,666 BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. 650 00:20:30,666 --> 00:20:32,833 THEY ARE PAYING TO DEFEND THE 651 00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:34,766 STATE AND THEY ARE ALSO PAYING 652 00:20:34,766 --> 00:20:38,300 FOR THE SIDE WHO IS PROSECUTING 653 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:39,900 FOLKS OF THE STATE AND TAXPAYERS 654 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:41,300 HAVE SPENT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS 655 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:43,633 AND THAT WILL CONTINUE ON THE 656 00:20:43,633 --> 00:20:45,300 LITIGATION OVER THIS CRISIS. 657 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:47,333 NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THOUGHT IS 658 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:47,700 NEEDED. 659 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:49,233 IT'S JUST A SORT OF ISSUE OF 660 00:20:49,233 --> 00:20:51,000 WHOA, HERE IS ALL THE MONEY THAT 661 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,600 IS GOING TOWARDS PIPELINES AND 662 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,100 THINGS LIKE THAT AND ALL OF THE 663 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:55,966 COURT COSTS AND THAT IS GOING TO 664 00:20:55,966 --> 00:20:56,666 CONTINUE TOO. 665 00:20:56,666 --> 00:20:58,066 >> YOU MENTIONED MR. TRUMP I 666 00:20:58,066 --> 00:20:59,400 HAVE SOME NUMBERS HERE WHICH 667 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,700 REALLY ARE A MICRO CAUSM OF 668 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:09,966 WHERE WE ARE IN MICHIGAN BERNIE 669 00:21:09,966 --> 00:21:11,900 PORN ASKED IF THE PRESIDENT WAS 670 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:14,600 STABLE AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS 671 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,233 AFRICAN/AMERICANS 69% UNSTABLE, 672 00:21:17,233 --> 00:21:20,766 WHITE 50% STABLE, RACIAL DIVIDE 673 00:21:20,766 --> 00:21:24,533 MEN AND WOMEN, MEN 56% IS COOL, 674 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:26,900 WOMEN 39%. 675 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:28,333 A GENDER GAP. 676 00:21:28,333 --> 00:21:32,000 EDUCATION GAP YOU HAVE A COLLEGE 677 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,733 DEGREE 44 UNSTABLE AND LESS THAN 678 00:21:33,733 --> 00:21:35,733 A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA 49% THINK 679 00:21:35,733 --> 00:21:36,866 THE PRESIDENT IS DOING JUST 680 00:21:36,866 --> 00:21:37,300 FINE. 681 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:39,000 IS THIS NOT A REFLECTION OF WHAT 682 00:21:39,000 --> 00:30:29,000 HAPPENED IN THE ELECTION 683 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:29,500 REGARDING STABILITY? 684 00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:30,066 >> THAT IS THE CLASSIC 685 00:30:30,066 --> 00:30:30,733 POLARIZATION THAT WE SEE ALL 686 00:30:30,733 --> 00:30:31,333 ACROSS AMERICA RIGHT NOW. 687 00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:32,000 >> ALIVE AND WELL IN MICHIGAN. 688 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,700 >> ABSOLUTELY AND I THINK IT'S 689 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:33,400 REFLECTIVE OF THE ENTIRE NATION. 690 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,000 WE HAVE A VERY POLARIZED 691 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,600 COUNTRY, A VERY POLARIZED 692 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,300 POLITICAL SYSTEM RIGHT NOW, HOW 693 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,033 IT'S GOING TO SHAKE OUT IN 2020 694 00:30:36,033 --> 00:30:36,633 ONLY ANYBODY CAN GUESS. 695 00:30:36,633 --> 00:30:37,333 >> THAT IS WHAT I SAID THE TRUMP 696 00:30:37,333 --> 00:30:38,033 STORY KIND OF WHY I THINK IT HAS 697 00:30:38,033 --> 00:30:38,733 ITS TENTICLES IN EVERYTHING AND 698 00:30:38,733 --> 00:30:39,433 HOW PEOPLE TREAT EACH OTHER AND 699 00:30:39,433 --> 00:30:40,000 THE WILLINGNESS TO FIND 700 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,700 COMPROMISE HAS JUST IN THE PAST 701 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:41,400 YEAR BEEN A FASCINATING THING TO 702 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,033 WATCH BOTH IN MICHIGAN BUT 703 00:30:42,033 --> 00:30:42,400 NATIONWIDE. 704 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,066 >> IN THE STATE RIGHT NOW I'M 705 00:30:43,066 --> 00:30:43,700 RIGHT AND POLITICS IN THIS 706 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:44,400 COUNTRY RIGHT NOW I'M RIGHT YOU 707 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,100 ARE CRAZY THAT IS REALLY WHERE 708 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:45,466 THINGS ARE. 709 00:30:45,466 --> 00:30:46,133 >> THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND. 710 00:30:46,133 --> 00:30:46,833 >> NO AND A CASE THAT PRESIDENT 711 00:30:46,833 --> 00:30:47,533 TRUMP HAS SHAKEN UP THE SYSTEM 712 00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:48,133 AND IS SUCCESSFUL ON THE 713 00:30:48,133 --> 00:30:48,833 POLITICAL LEVEL BECAUSE HE IS 714 00:30:48,833 --> 00:30:49,500 NOT YOUR NORMAL TYPE OF CHIEF 715 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:50,200 EXECUTIVE OFFICER, YOU CAN ALSO 716 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:50,900 LOOK ON THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE AND 717 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:51,533 SAY HE WAS IN QUICK SAND UP 718 00:30:51,533 --> 00:30:52,166 UNTIL HE FINALLY GOT A BILL 719 00:30:52,166 --> 00:30:52,833 PASSED AT THE END OF THE YEAR 720 00:30:52,833 --> 00:30:53,533 WHEN HE WAS ABOUT TO SINK SO YOU 721 00:30:53,533 --> 00:30:54,133 CAN LOOK AT IT AT SO MANY 722 00:30:54,133 --> 00:30:54,600 DIFFERENT LEVELS. 723 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,300 >> WHAT IS THE LEAD STORY GOING 724 00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:55,900 IN 2018 THE GOVERNOR WILL 725 00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:56,566 DELIVER THE LAST STATE OF THE 726 00:30:56,566 --> 00:30:57,233 STATE ON JANUARY THE 23, WHAT 727 00:30:57,233 --> 00:30:57,833 ARE WE LOOKING FORWARD TO? 728 00:30:57,833 --> 00:30:58,533 >> I DON'T THINK HE IS GOING TO 729 00:30:58,533 --> 00:30:59,200 COME UP WITH ANY BOMB SHELL. 730 00:30:59,200 --> 00:30:59,700 >> INFRASTRUCTURE, 731 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:00,333 INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOW THE NUMBER 732 00:31:00,333 --> 00:31:00,900 ONE ISSUE IN THE STATE. 733 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:01,600 >> WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE 734 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,300 THOUGH BIG TIME IN THE STATE OF 735 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:02,900 THE STATES AND OTHERWISE. 736 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:03,533 THAT IS NOTHING REALLY KNEW. 737 00:31:03,533 --> 00:31:04,233 I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK IT'S GREAT 738 00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:04,933 IF HE CONCENTRATES ON IT AND BY 739 00:31:04,933 --> 00:31:05,633 THE WAY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION 740 00:31:05,633 --> 00:31:06,333 AND THE CONGRESS CAN STILL GET 741 00:31:06,333 --> 00:31:07,033 ON THAT ISSUE AND REMEMBER MANY 742 00:31:07,033 --> 00:31:07,733 PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ONE 743 00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:08,266 OF THE TOP PRIORITIES. 744 00:31:08,266 --> 00:31:08,933 >> BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AND 745 00:31:08,933 --> 00:31:09,633 THEY DIDN'T BUT THEY CAN COME 746 00:31:09,633 --> 00:31:10,300 BACK TO THAT AND THEY CAN TIE 747 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:10,600 THAT IN. 748 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,166 >> AN HO-HUM FOR YOU. 749 00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:11,866 >> ELECTION IS ELECTION AND RACE 750 00:31:11,866 --> 00:31:12,566 FOR GOVERNOR SECRETARY OF STATE, 751 00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:13,233 ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE ENTIRE 752 00:31:13,233 --> 00:31:13,900 CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION, THE 753 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:14,600 ENTIRE STATE HOUSE, THE ENTIRE 754 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,266 STATE SENATE THE U.S. SENATE 755 00:31:15,266 --> 00:31:15,533 SEAT. 756 00:31:15,533 --> 00:31:16,133 >> IN OTHER WORDS THEY DO 757 00:31:16,133 --> 00:31:16,433 NOTHING. 758 00:31:16,433 --> 00:31:17,033 >> IT'S HUGE BUT THAT HAS 759 00:31:17,033 --> 00:31:17,666 NOTHING TO DO WITH SNYDER'S 760 00:31:17,666 --> 00:31:18,366 STATE OF THE STATE OR THE ISSUES 761 00:31:18,366 --> 00:31:19,033 BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IS 762 00:31:19,033 --> 00:31:19,600 GOING TO BE DOMINATING 763 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,300 EVERYTHING, THE ELECTIONS NEXT 764 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:20,600 YEAR. 765 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,300 >> YES, IF YOU LOOK ISN'T THIS 766 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,000 DEMOCRATIC WAVE REAL THAT SEEMS 767 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,700 TO BE BUILDING YOU LOOK AT THE 768 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:23,366 GENERIC BALLOT NUMBERS AROUND 769 00:31:23,366 --> 00:31:24,000 THE COUNTRY IT'S EXTREMELY 770 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,600 LOPSIDED IN FAVOR OF THE 771 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,300 DEMOCRATS BUT WHEN IT GETS DOWN 772 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:25,966 TO IT AT THE MID TERMS DO THE 773 00:31:25,966 --> 00:31:26,666 DEMOCRATS AND ALL THE ENTHUSIASM 774 00:31:26,666 --> 00:31:27,366 MAINTAINED AND DOES IT RESOLVE 775 00:31:27,366 --> 00:31:28,066 IN A BIG DEMOCRATIC WAVE ACROSS 776 00:31:28,066 --> 00:31:28,766 THE NATION AND IN THE STATE OR 777 00:31:28,766 --> 00:31:29,400 DOES IT NOT HAPPEN, DO THE 778 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,100 REPUBLICANS STAY IN CONTROL OF 779 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:30,800 STATE GOVERNMENT IN MICHIGAN AND 780 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,500 IF THAT DOES HAPPEN WHAT IS THE 781 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:32,066 FUTURE OF THE MICHIGAN 782 00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:32,733 DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IT STILL 783 00:31:32,733 --> 00:31:33,400 GOING TO BE A COMPETITIVE TWO 784 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,100 PARTY STATE BECAUSE IT WILL THEN 785 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:34,766 BASICALLY A FULL DECADE AT 786 00:31:34,766 --> 00:31:35,300 REPUBLICAN DOMINANCE. 787 00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:35,966 >> EVERYTHING WILL BE TALKING 788 00:31:35,966 --> 00:31:36,666 ABOUT THE ELECTIONS ON MULTIPLE 789 00:31:36,666 --> 00:31:37,300 LEVELS LOOK AT THE MICHIGAN 790 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:38,000 DELEGATION SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN WE 791 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,533 HAVE THREE WIDE OPEN 792 00:31:38,533 --> 00:31:39,233 CONGRESSIONAL SEATS FOR VARIOUS 793 00:31:39,233 --> 00:31:39,900 REASONS BUT I THINK SNYDER IS 794 00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:40,400 GOING TO TALK ABOUT 795 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,100 INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK IT'S 796 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:41,733 GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. 797 00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:42,466 WE HAVE ALL WATCHED IN OUR AREA 798 00:31:42,466 --> 00:31:43,100 THAT 15 MILE SINKHOLE THAT 799 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:43,800 KANDIS MILLER WENT IN AND FIXED 800 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,500 OR CLEANED UP WHICHEVER TERM YOU 801 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:45,200 ARE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH THAT 802 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,866 INCONVENIENCED A WHOLE LOT OF 803 00:31:45,866 --> 00:31:46,466 PEOPLE AND IMPACTED THEIR 804 00:31:46,466 --> 00:31:47,166 EVERYDAY LIVES BUT I THINK ONE 805 00:31:47,166 --> 00:31:47,833 THING THAT WE ARE NOT TALKING 806 00:31:47,833 --> 00:31:48,533 ABOUT ENOUGH THAT OVER TIME THIS 807 00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:49,233 ADMINISTRATION MAY BE KNOWN BEST 808 00:31:49,233 --> 00:31:49,933 FOR AND THAT IS THAT GORDY-HOW 809 00:31:49,933 --> 00:31:50,633 AND THE BRIDGE GOING ACROSS IF 810 00:31:50,633 --> 00:31:51,333 HE GETS ALL THAT DONE YEARS FROM 811 00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:52,033 NOW LOOK AT WHAT IT WILL DO IN 812 00:31:52,033 --> 00:31:52,733 TERMS OF TRADE AND REVENUE AND 813 00:31:52,733 --> 00:31:53,433 POTENTIAL THE INTERNATIONAL LINK 814 00:31:53,433 --> 00:31:54,100 BETWEEN DETROIT AND CANADA IT 815 00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:54,800 COULD BE A LOT OF MONEY, A LOT 816 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,133 OF TRADE. 817 00:31:55,133 --> 00:31:55,833 >> HE DOES NOT LIKE THE TERM 818 00:31:55,833 --> 00:31:56,533 LAME DUCK BUT THE LIMP WILL BE 819 00:31:56,533 --> 00:31:57,233 MORE EVIDENT ON JANUARY 23 AND 820 00:31:57,233 --> 00:31:57,833 WE WILL SEE WHAT HE SAYS. 821 00:31:57,833 --> 00:31:58,266 THANK YOU GUYS. 822 00:31:58,266 --> 00:31:58,900 HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY. 823 00:31:58,900 --> 00:31:59,566 NEXT YEAR WE ARE BACK TO THE 824 00:31:59,566 --> 00:32:00,133 REGULAR FORMAT SEE YOU THEN. 825 00:32:00,133 --> 00:32:00,566 HAVE A GOOD ONE. 826 00:32:00,566 --> 00:32:01,266 PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 827 00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:01,966 MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A GRANT 828 00:32:01,966 --> 00:32:02,566 FROM TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN, 829 00:32:02,566 --> 00:32:03,200 MICHIGAN'S ONLY BIPARTISAN 830 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:03,866 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION FIRM 831 00:32:03,866 --> 00:32:04,400 SERVING STATEWIDE AND 832 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,100 INTERNATIONAL CLIENTS FROM THEIR 833 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:05,800 OFFICES IN LANSING, DETROIT AND 834 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,466 GRAND RAPIDS AND SERVING THE 835 00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:07,166 GREATER LANSING AREA SINCE 1941 836 00:32:07,166 --> 00:32:07,866 PROVIDING SOLUTIONS AND CHOICES 837 00:32:07,866 --> 00:32:08,500 FOR HOME COMFORT DURING ALL 838 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:09,200 MICHIGAN SEASONS HAGER FOX AND 839 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:09,900 BRYANT WHATEVER IT TAKES HAGER 840 00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:10,200 FOX.COM. 841 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:10,766 AND BY MSU COLLEGE OF 842 00:32:10,766 --> 00:32:11,366 AGRICULTURAL AND NATURAL 843 00:32:11,366 --> 00:32:11,966 RESOURCES, MICHIGAN STATE 844 00:32:11,966 --> 00:32:12,666 UNIVERSITY WANTS TO BE A TRUSTED 845 00:32:12,666 --> 00:32:13,366 PARTNER IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT 846 00:32:13,366 --> 00:32:14,033 FOOD AND WHERE IT COMES FROM 847 00:32:14,033 --> 00:32:14,666 INCLUDING ITS IMPACT ON OUR 848 00:32:14,666 --> 00:32:15,366 HEALTH AND ON OUR PLANET, LEARN 849 00:32:15,366 --> 00:32:15,900 MORE AT FOOD.MSU.EDU. 850 00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:16,600 FOR MORE OFF THE RECORD VISIT 851 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:16,933 WKAR.ORG. 852 00:32:16,933 --> 00:32:17,600 MICHIGAN PUBLIC TELEVISION 853 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,300 STATIONS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE 854 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:18,933 PRODUCTION COSTS OF OFF THE 855 00:32:18,933 --> 00:32:19,933 RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.