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WELCOME BACK.

OUR GUEST THIS WEEK IS THE HOUSE

DEMOCRATIC LEADER TIM GREIMEL

OUR LEAD STORY BOTH PRESIDENTIAL

CANDIDATES IN OUR STATE TALKING

ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

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AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF

RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, BUSY WEEK

AND ROCHELLE CAN ANYBODY

REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD

THE TWO MAJOR PRESIDENTIAL

CANDIDATES THIS THE STATE AT THE

SAME WEEK?

I THINK IT'S THE PRESIDENTIAL

DEBATE OVER AT THE WHORTON

CENTER AND HAD THEM BOTH IN TIME

1992.

>> 92.

>> AND ALL THREE.

>> ANYWAY THEY ARE BOTH THIS

TOWN, WHAT DID WE LEARN ABOUT

THEIR ECONOMIC PLANS?

>> NOT MUCH.

I THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS

THE MOST SANE WE HAVE SEEN HIM

AND GOT A SENSE HE IS ABLE TO

HAVE A PLAN BUT DID ALL OF THAT

GREAT PERFORMANCE AND DID IT

DESPITE 14 PROTESTERS BEING

REMOVED AND THEN AT THE END AND

HE SAID I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY

PLAN SOON AND I THOUGHT WELL HE

DID OFFER SOME SUGGESTIONS BUT

THERE WASN'T A PLAN SO I THINK

THAT WHAT HE DID WAS WHAT HIS

HANDERS NEEDED FOR HIM TO DO AND

LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT

CONSTANT SAYING THINGS LIKE HE

SAID HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN BUT NOT

A PLAN.

>> BIGGER DYNAMICS HERE TRUMP

BUILD THE SPEECH AS A BIG

ECONOMIC SPEECH AND ALL THE

SUDDEN HILLARY CLINTON SCHEDULED

A BIG SPEECH IN MICHIGAN AS WELL

SO THE REPUBLICANS THOUGHT

HILLARY CLINTON WAS CHASING

DONALD TRUMP IN MICHIGAN AND

LIKED THAT TO KEEP THEIR CHANCES

ALIVE HERE ESPECIALLY WHEN WE

HAVE SOME POLLING DONE RECENTLY

WHERE HILLARY CLINTON IS LEADING

BY NINE POINTS AND IT'S LOOKING

MORE LIKE A NORMAL YEAR FOR

BARACK OBAMA WON BY 11 POINTS IN

THE LAST ELECTION SO YOU KNOW

DONALD TRUMP CAME IN AND TALKED

ABOUT HIS TAX PLAN AND TALKED

ABOUT TAKING THE INCOME TAX

BRACKETS FROM 7-3 AND CUTTING

THE CORPORATE INCOME TAX ON 35

TO 15% AND GETTING RID OF ESTATE

TAX WHICH HILLARY CLINTON WENT

ON THE ATTACK IN WARREN AND SAID

IF DONALD TRUMP IS WORTH 10

MILLION IF YOU GET RID OF THE

TAX YOU WILL GIVE THE TRUMP KIDS

A 4 BILLION TAX CUT AND MORE

INTERESTING SHE STARTED LAYING

OUT WAYS WE COULD SPEND THE

TRUMP TAXES WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS

GONE AND DEAD WHICH I FOUND WAS

KIND OF INTERESTING DAYS AFTER

DONALD TRUMP WAS MAKING

ILLUSIONS OF HILLARY CLINTON

BEING ASSASSINATED AS PRESIDENT.

>> SOMEONE DISAGREE WITH THAT.

>> WELL I MEAN THE DONALD TRUMP

WAS TAKING IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW

YOU MIGHT STOP HER FROM POINTING

LIBERAL JUDGES WHO ARE ANTIGUN

WITH THE COURT.

>> WHAT STRUCK ME IS I PUT

MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF GOVERNOR

SNYDER WHO HAD TO LOOK AT BOTH

SPEECHES AND SAID TO HIMSELF

MR. TRUMP SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE

COLUMN BACK OF DETROIT, SHE ON

THE OTHER HAND WAS VERY

SNYDER-ESQUE DID YOU CATCH THAT?

>> YEAH, I THINK THE ATMOSPHERE

OF IT AND ROCHELLE ALLUDED TO

THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED UPON

FAVORABLY BY SNYDER AND TRUMP

GOT THROUGH THE SPEECH WITHOUT

GOING MANIC AND DOING SOMETHING

OUTRAGEOUS IS SIGNIFICANT AND I

THINK THE OVER ALL CONTOURS OF

WHAT TRUMP SAID SNYDER WOULD

HAVE AGREED WITH, A COUPLE OF

WRINKLES CLOSING THE LOOPHOLE

FOR HEDGE FUND MANAGERS AND

CHILD CARE TAX CREDIT THAT IS

THE ONLY THING THAT WAS REALLY

NEW.

>> LOOK BACK NOW TO LOWER THE

THRESHOLD AND MORE PEOPLE.

>> AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT

FOREVER THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF

WAYS TO DO IT AND TAKE AN ACT OF

CONGRESS.

>> MY POINT IS HE NEVER MADE A

REFERENCE TO THE COME BACK OF

DETROIT.

>> TO HE DIDN'T.

>> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN

POSITIVE.

>> HE DID EVERYTHING BAD WITH

RESPECT TO DETROIT.

HE WAS PAJORITIVE AND SAID

DETROIT IS A FAILURE AND MADE

THE CLAIM HE MADE CONSTANTLY

THAT DEMOCRATIC POLITICS RUINED

OUR BIG CITIES AND THIS IS WHAT

HE HAS BEEN SAYING ALL YEAR LONG

AND ALL HE DID WAS BRING IT IN

DETROIT AND SAID IT THERE AND

SHOWED HIM TO BE A LITTLE TONE

DEAF.

>> MAYBE HE DOESN'T GET THE FREE

PRESS AND THE DETROIT NEWS AND

MAYBE HE MISSED THAT.

>> BY TELEVISION AND DOESN'T GET

ANY PAPERS.

>> THERE YOU GO, WHAT ABOUT

THIS?

>> WELL I MEAN THE THING IS HE

TRASHES DETROIT AND RUNNING THE

GROUND BY DEMOCRATS AND THIS IS

A POPULAR NOTION AND

CONSERVATIVE CIRCLES AND WANT TO

HEAR THAT, THAT IS SORT OF THE

RED MEAT THAT HE WANTS TO LINK

NAFTA SPECIFICALLY AND TRADE

POLICIES AS PART OF THE

DESTRUCTION OF DETROIT AND

BECAUSE NAFTA AND TRADE POLICIES

ARE ESSENTIALLY A BIG WEIGHT ON

HILLARY CLINTON'S SHOULDERS AND

SHE DISTANCED HERSELF.

>> WALKING BACK.

>> MADE IT VERY CLEAR YESTERDAY

IN THE STRONGEST WORDS YET SHE

WILL CONTINUE TO POSE A TRANS

PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP TPP UNDER

ALL CIRCUMSTANCES AS PRESIDENT,

AFTER THE ELECTION AND THE

BELIEF IS THEY ARE GOING TO TALK

ABOUT HOW THEY BOTH DON'T LIKE

IT AND PRESIDENT OBAMA AND THE

REPUBLICAN CONGRESS ARE GOING TO

PUSH IT THROUGH IN A LAME DUCK

SESSION SO YOU KNOW THEY WERE

TRYING TO HAVE DIFFERENT THEMES

BUT IT WAS INTERESTING SHE WAS

SOUNDER SNYDER ESQUE AND THE

STATE AND THAT IS RIGHT OUT OF

THE SNYDER PLAY BOOK AND SO AND

DONALD TRUMP ACTED LIKE THERE

WASN'T A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR WHO

HAD BEEN WORKING MOST OF HIS

ADMINISTRATION TO TRY TO FIX

DETROIT.

>> HE COULD HAVE SAID REPUBLICAN

BUSINESSMAN HELPS TO TURN THE

ECONOMY AROUND.

>> WE WILL DO THE SAME IN OTHER

PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

>> MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SEGUE.

YEAH AND HE DIDN'T.

>> HE DOESN'T DO THAT TO PEOPLE

WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN KINDLY OF HIM

OR ENDORSED HIM.

>> THE GOVERNOR HASN'T SAID

SQUAT ABOUT THIS GUY.

>> THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

>> SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE GOVERNOR

RIGHT NOW AND NEITHER CAMPAIGN

WANTS TO MENTION BUT WANT TO SAY

A QUICK WORD ABOUT PLANS AND

IDEAS AND NOT BEING FACETIOUS

SAYING HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT A

PLAN, NEITHER HE OR HILLARY

CLINTON HAS GONE PAST IDEAS.

IT'S FINE TO HAVE IDEAS AND YOU

MENTIONED SEVERAL OF THEM HE

TALKED ABOUT BUT PLANS ARE HOW

YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THEM WORK.

WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE GOING TO

ROLL BACK OBAMACARE AND NOT SURE

HOW YOU MAKE SURE 10 MILLION

PEOPLE GET HEALTH INSURANCE AND

NOT PAYING FOR THEM IN EMERGENCY

ROOMS I LIKE HE HAS FINALLY

MOVED FROM JUST SAYING ANYTHING

TO SAYING THESE ARE SOME THINGS

THAT SHOULD HAPPEN AND NOT

SAYING HOW THEY COULD HAPPEN,

THAT IS WHERE THE PLAN COMES IN.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS MISSING

FROM ALL SPEECHES AND WE CAN

TALK ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE COWS

COME HOME THERE SHOULD BE A

CAVEAT IN EVERY SPEECH AND ALL

OF THIS IS DEPENDENT ON GETTING

THIS THROUGH BOYS AND GIRLS THE

CONGRESS.

>> DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T THINK

THERE IS A CONGRESS AND HILLARY

CLINTON THINKS SHE IS GOING TO

OWN IT.

>> NEITHER OF THEM ARE

DICTATORS.

>> MEDIA SHOULD DO A BETTER JOB

OF FOCUSING ON THAT ISSUE AND

THEY DON'T.

THEY CONSTANTLY PRESENT THE

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AS AUTO

CRATS AND WHAT IS NOT TRUE.

>> STRAIGHT PARTY LINE TICKET

AND THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON A

DECISION IF WHETHER OR NOT THAT

IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHERE ARE WE

ON THAT?

>> THEY ASKED THE 6TH CIRCUIT

COURT OF APPEARS TO MAKE AN

EMERGENCY RULING ON TRYING TO

HALT THE JUDGE DRAIN'S DECISION

IN FEDERAL COURT DOWN IN DETROIT

TO BLOCK THE IMPLEMENTATION OF

THE NEW LAW WHICH ENDS A STRAY

PARTY VOTING, THIS IS A PRETTY

CRITICAL ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS AND

DOWN BALLOTS BECAUSE THE

STRAIGHT PARTY VOTING HAS AT

TIMES FAVORED DEMOCRATS WHERE

PEOPLE CHECK OFF AND WANTED TO

VOTE ALL DEMOCRAT AND MAYBE

DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE

RACE AND TURN THEIR BALLOT IN SO

REPUBLICANS TOOK THIS AWAY LAST

DECEMBER AND AT THE TIME

DEMOCRATS SAID IT IS A MOOD TO

INOCCUR LATE THEMSELVES FROM

DONALD TRUMP A POTENTIAL

ELECTORAL DISASTER.

>> PART OF THE ARGUMENT ROCHELLE

IT DENIES AND HAVE LONG LINES IN

DETROIT AND PEOPLE WILL NOT STAY

IN LONG LINES AND SAY YEA AND

THAT IS AN ARGUMENT.

>> ARGUMENT FOR BOTH SIDES HOW

DARE THE GOVERNMENT TELL PEOPLE

HOW TO VOTE.

ON THE ONE HAND YOU HAVE PEOPLE

WHO ARE INDEPENDENT WHO WANT TO

VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS AND

DEMOCRATS AND ON THE OTHER HAND

YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEY

WANT TO VOTE STRAIGHT PARTY

TICKET.

I THINK THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE

TO GOVERN IT IS SOMETHING THAT

WILL COME BACK AND HAUNT YOU.

>> YES BUT THE REPUBLICANS SAID

LOOK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS

FORCE THE ELECTORATE TO BE

INTELLIGENT ABOUT THIS AND NOT

JUST VOTE STRAIGHT AND LOOK AT

CANDIDATES AND GO BACK AND

FORTH.

NOT INTELLIGENT AND DOING THAT

JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO VOTE

FOR THEIR PARTY.

>> REMEMBER, THE REPUBLICANS GOT

RID OF THIS LAW BACK IN 2001 AND

MARK BREWER DEMOCRATIC STATE

PARTY CHAIRMAN AT THAT TEAM GOT

A PETITION DRIVE AND THE PEOPLE

SAID WE WANT STRAIGHT VOTING

BACK SO THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY

SPOKEN THIS 15 YEARS AGO.

>> BUT IT'S JUST THE PEOPLE.

>> IT'S NOT JUST TRUMP, IT'S NOT

JUST TRUMP.

I MEAN THEY WANTED TO DO THIS

ANYWAY.

AND LOOK I'LL JUST SAY THIS

ROCHELLE 40 STATES DO NOT ALLOW

STRAIGHT TICKET VOTING, WE ARE

ONE OF THE FEW STATES THAT DUE

AND ALL THE REPUBLICANS HAD TO

DO IS SAY LOOK WE ARE JOINING

THE VAST MAJORITY OF STATES THAT

DON'T ALLOW IT AND I AGREE WITH

YOU YOU CAN SAY THE PEOPLE

CLEARLY SAID AS THEY DID IN A

REFERENDUM THIS 2001 THEY WANT

TO KEEP IT.

>> I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE

THE OPTION IF YOU WANT TO VOTE

STRAIGHT PARTY YOU CAN IF YOU

WANT TO VOTE ON BOTH SIDES YOU

CAN DO IT, THERE IS NOTHING

WORSE THAN FORCING PEOPLE EITHER

WAY.

THE DIFFERENCE FROM 15 YEARS AGO

IS THEY ADDED APPROPRIATION FROM

THE BILL AND INOCULATED FROM

BEING REPEALED BY VOTERS.

>> AND OF COURSE WHAT ARE THEY

CLAIMING?

THEY ARE CLAIMING THAT IS GOING

TO GO TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST

TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NOT LONG

LINES.

>> CLAIMING.

>> WHAT THEY DID WITH EMERGENCY

MANAGERS IF YOU DON'T WANT THE

PEOPLE TO BE INVOLVED FIND A WAY

TO INOCCUR LATE IT.

>> AND REPUBLICAN CLERKS HAVE

SAID THEY THINK THIS IS GOING TO

CAUSE VOTER CONFUSION.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 40

STATES?

>> LOOK IN BERRIEN COUNTY THE

CLERK DOWN THERE HAS BOUGHT.

>> REPRESENTATIVE.

>> BOUGHT 100% OF THE BALLOT OF

REGISTERED BALLOTS AND BOUGHT

BALLOTS FOR EVERY REGISTERED

VOTER ANTICIPATING THEY WILL

THROW A BUNCH OF SPOILED BALLOTS

OUT AND WHAT THE ELECTIONS

RECORD BROUGHT UP THERE ARE

ICONS OF THE PARTIES ON TOP OF

THE BALLOT AND THEY THINK THEY

WILL CIRCLE THE DONKEY OR THE

ELEPHANT AND SPOIL THEIR BALLOT

AND CAUSE BACKUPS AND CONFUSION

AT THE POLL.

>> THE CLOCK IS TICKING

SEPTEMBER 9 IS THE DROP DEAD

DATE.

>> GOT TO BE DONE FAST ONE WAY

OR THE OTHER.

THEN YOU ARE TALKING OVER SEA

BALLOTING AND ALSO TALKED TO

CHRIS THOMAS AND SAID DO YOU

KNOW WHAT IF THE COURT RULES ON

OCTOBER 1 WE WILL FIND A WAY TO

DO IT.

>> THEY WILL HAVE TO DO IT.

>> IT WILL BE A MESSAGE I THINK

WE WILL HEAR A DECISION HERE

WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

HOUSE CONTROL, LET'S LOOK

QUICKLY DO THE DS HAVE A SHOT AT

TAKING BACK CONTROL OF THE

HOUSE?

>> SURE.

>> THEY DO?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> DEFINITELY.

>> LET'S SEE IF MR. GREIMEL

AGREES PLEASE.

>> REPRESENTATIVE TIM GREIMEL IS

THE HOUSE DEMOCRATIC LEADER AND

NOW IN HIS THIRD TERM FROM

OAKLAND COUNTY, A FORMER COUNTY

COMMISSION AND A CIVIL RIGHTS

ATTORNEY BEFORE ENTERING THE

HOUSE.

HE HOLDS A D A&M A AND LAW

DEGREE FROM U OF M AND CURRENTLY

BATTLING THE REPUBLICANS TO

REGAIN CONTROL OF THE MICHIGAN

HOUSE.

MR. GREIMEL WHAT DID YOU PLAY IN

FOOTBALL WHAT POSITION?

NO SOCCER YOU WERE A SOCCER

PLAYER.

>> YEAH.

>> WERE YOU GOOD?

>> I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.

[LAUGHTER]

I WAS, YEAH, PLAYED FORWARD,

STRIKER.

>> REPRESENTATIVE WHAT IS THE

PATHWAY FORWARD FOR YOU TO AND

THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS TO WIN

CONTROL GAIN THE SEATS THAT YOU

NEED AND PRESUMABLY MAKE YOU THE

SPEAKER IN THE NEXT SECTION?

>> A LOT OF FACTORS IN OUR FAVOR

IN THIS ELECTION AND IN

PARTICULAR MOST OF THE TARGETED

SEATS ARE OPEN SEATS, THE

REPUBLICANS WHO CAME IN THE 2010

WAIVE YEAR ARE TERM LIMITED OUT

OF OFFICE, IT'S EASIER TO RUN AN

OPEN SEAT THAN AGAINST AN

INCUMBENT.

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND WE

KNOW IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS

DEMOCRATIC TURN OUT IS

SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HIGHER

BUT HIGHER THAN A GUBERNATORIAL

YEAR AND PERHAPS MOST

IMPORTANTLY WE HAVE CANDIDATES

WORKING INCREDIBLY HARD WHO HAVE

DEEP ROOTS IN COMMUNITIES AND

OUT THERE KNOCKING ON DOORS AND

THAT WILL ALLOW US TO REALLY

TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DAMAGED

REPUBLICAN BRAND IN THIS STATE.

THE REPUBLICAN BRAND IN MICHIGAN

HAS BEEN BADLY DAMAGED BOTH

BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP'S

CANDIDACY FOR PRESIDENCY AND

ALSO BECAUSE OF THE FAILURES OF

THE SNYDER ADMINISTRATION

WHETHER IT'S THE FLINT TRAGEDY,

WHETHER IT'S THE NEGLECT OF

VETERANS AT THE STATE OWNED

GRAND RAPIDS VETERANS HOME,

WHETHER IT'S THE FAILURE OF THE

STATE CREATED EDUCATIONAL

ACHIEVEMENT AUTHORITY IN

DETROIT.

WE HAVE SEEN FAILURE AFTER

FAILURE IN THE SNYDER

ADMINISTRATION.

PEOPLE ARE FED UP.

THEY WANT CHANGE AND THEY WANT

TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MOVING

OUR STATE IN A DIFFERENT

DIRECTION AND FED UP WITH A

PARTY CONTROL IN LANSING.

>> HOW DO YOU USE THOSE ISSUES

THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON IN

LANSING AND ALSO JUST THE DONALD

TRUMP CANDIDACY HOW DO YOU USE

THAT AGAINST A NEW CANDIDATE WHO

IS RUNNING FOR THE FIRST TIME AS

A REPUBLICAN AND IN ONE OF THESE

SEATS WHY SHOULD THEY BE

TARNISHED BY WHAT HAPPENED TO

RICK SNYDER IN THIS LEGISLATURE?

.

WE HAVE SEEN THE REPUBLICAN

MAJORITY AND THE STATE HOUSE

HAVE FAILED TO REALLY HOLD

GOVERNOR SNYDER ACCOUNTABLE SO

THEY HAVE FAILED TO PUSH FOR

GREATER TRANSPARENCY AND

ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE

LEGISLATIVE BRAND AND IN THE

GOVERNORSHIP, WE ARE ONE OF ONLY

TWO STATES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY

THAT DOESN'T APPLY THE FREEDOM

OF INFORMATION ACT TO THE

GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND THE

LEGISLATURE.

>> DO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE

VOTER AT HOME GOES TO BED AT

NIGHT OH, MY GOD WE DON'T HAVE

FOIA FOR THE GOVERNOR.

>> AVERAGE VOTER SAYS WE NEED

TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY

AND THAT THE FREEDOM OF

INFORMATION ACT IS A KEY

COMPONENT TO THAT AND PEOPLE

HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE

GOVERNMENT IS DOING AND IN

MICHIGAN BECAUSE WE PUT ROAD

BLACKS UP IT ALLOWS THE

GOVERNMENT TO GET AWAY WITH

THINGS LIKE NEGLECTING PEOPLE IN

FLINT AND NEGLECTS STUDENTS IN

DETROIT AND NEGLECTS VETS IN

GRAND RAPIDS AND NEED IT TO

SHINE ON STATE GOVERNMENT AND I

THINK THE VOTERS CARE ABOUT

THAT.

>> MR. GREIMEL IF YOU GET

CONTROL OF THE HOUSE OBVIOUSLY

WHAT YOU CAN DO IS THROW A

MONKEY WRENCH IN AN ATTEMPT BY A

REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OR

REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED SENATE TO

PASS STUFF YOU DON'T LIKE BUT

REALISTICALLY WHAT COULD YOU

REALLY BY YOURSELF EXPECT TO BE

ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHEN YOU'VE

GOT THE TWO OTHER LEGS OF THE

STOOL AGAINST YOU?

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY

WOULD BE AGAINST US ON A NUMBER

OF ISSUES.

>> LIKE WHAT?

.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST YEAR

FOR EXAMPLE, BILL, AND YOU LOOK

AT THE ROADS ISSUE, IF YOU LOOK

AT THE DETROIT EDUCATION

COMMISSION ISSUE AND THE DETROIT

PUBLIC SCHOOLS ISSUE, TIME AND

TIME AGAIN HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE

BEEN IN AGREEMENT WITH THE

GOVERNOR, HAVE BEEN IN AGREEMENT

WITH SENATE REPUBLICANS ABOUT

THE NEED TO COME UP AND PASS

RESPONSIBLE POLICY.

IT'S BEEN THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS

WHO HAVE REALLY BEEN MUCH MORE

RIGHT WING THAN THE SENATE

REPUBLICANS OR THE GOVERNOR AND

HAVE STOOD IN THE WAY OF A LOT

OF COMMON SENSE POLICIES.

>> IF YOU WERE SPEAKER WOULD YOU

GO BACK AND FIX THE DETROIT

PUBLIC SCHOOLS LEGISLATION TO

ADD THE EDUCATION COMMISSION?

>> I THINK THAT IS VERY

IMPORTANT.

I'VE BEEN ON RECORD SAYING THAT

BEFORE AND THE GOVERNOR HAS AS

WELL BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE

THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE AN

ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM FOR

CHARTER SCHOOLS.

HIGH PERFORMING CHARTER SCHOOLS

SHOULD BE CONTINUED TO PERFORM

AND PROLIFERATE IN THE CITY OF

DETROIT BUT WHEN IT COMES TO LOW

PERFORMING CHARTER SCHOOLS

FAILING STUDENTS WE NEED TO PUT

ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES IN PLACE

AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT

CONTINUING TO GROW AND THEY ARE

NOT CREATING DUPLICATE FAILURES

IN THE CITY OF DETROIT AND ARE

JUST GOING TO FAIL DETROIT

SCHOOL CHILDREN.

ASK MY THREE QUESTIONS THE FIRST

HAS TO DO WITH EDUCATION BECAUSE

THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT HAS

ALREADY EXPRESSED THE NEED FOR

MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND FOR MORE

FUNDING BECAUSE MICHIGAN SCHOOLS

AND MICHIGAN STUDENTS ARE NOT

GETTING WHAT THEY NEED AND

UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD A

LEGISLATURE THAT JUST PAYS LIP

SERVICE TO WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR

EDUCATION IN MICHIGAN, HOW WOULD

THAT BE DIFFERENT UNDER A

DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE?

.

>> WELL, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH

YOUR OBSERVATIONS AND TWO THINGS

NUMBER ONE WE FINALLY HAVE AN

ADEQUACY STUDY OF FUNDING OF

EDUCATION AND NEED TO MAKE SURE

WE ARE QUICKLY I'M MING THE

RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT STUDY.

THERE CERTAINLY ARE VERY WELL

FUNDED SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE

STATE OF MICHIGAN BUT THERE ARE

FAR TOO MANY UNDER FUNDED SCHOOL

DISTRICTS IN THE STATE OF

MICHIGAN.

WE NEED TO BRING THAT FUNDING UP

TO THE ADEQUATE LEVEL IDENTIFIED

IN THAT STUDY.

NUMBER TWO WE DO NEED MORE

ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SCHOOLS AND

NEED MORE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR

TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND

CHARTER SCHOOLS ANY SCHOOL THAT

IS RECEIVING TAXPAYER MONEY

NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR

RESULTS IN THE CLASSROOM.

>> SORRY THE SECOND QUESTION IS

A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION THAT CHAD

ASKED WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN MY

SAME QUESTION HOW DO YOU

CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT DONALD

TRUMP AND RICK SNYDER ARE

REPRESENTATIVES OF A PARTY THAT

QUITE FRANKLY HAVE GOP MEMBERS

WHO ARE SANE AND HAVE NOT

POISONED WATER IN FLINT AND A

BIG JUMP THAT DEMOCRATS CAN DO

BETTER OR SOMEONE CAN DO BETTER

THAN THESE TWO GENTLEMAN, IS

THAT A STRATEGY AND HOW DO YOU

ACTUALLY DO THAT?

>> THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE

ALREADY DONE IT THEMSELVES.

CERTAINLY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL

YEARS THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE

RELIGION PURPOSE TIED THEMSELVES

TO GOVERNOR SNYDER, THEY

CONTINUE TO DO SO IN A NUMBER OF

WAYS.

WHEN IT COMES TO DONALD TRUMP

SOME OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS

ENDORSE DONALD TRUMP EVEN IN THE

REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AND NOW HAVE

IN MANY INSTANCES COME OUT AND

ENDORSED HIM IN THE GENERAL

ELECTION, HAVE STOOD WITH HIM AT

RALLIES AND ARE OPENLY

ASSOCIATING THEMSELVES WITH HIM

SO CERTAINLY SOME REPUBLICANS

HAVE DISTANCED THEMSELVES FROM

TRUMP BUT MOST HAVE NOT.

AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT I

THINK WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF

THE PROBLEMS WE'VE SEEN IN THE

SNYDER ADMINISTRATION WE'VE SEEN

HOUSE REPUBLICANS NOT ONLY NOT

STAND UP AND OPPOSE THE

PROBLEMS, NOT ONLY FAIL TO HOLD

THE GOVERNOR ACCOUNTABLE BUT WE

HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THEM FURTHER

SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE

SEEN.

THE CASE IN POINT IS THE FACT

THAT SNYDER IS USING STATE

TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO PAY A

CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR

HIMSELF AND HIS ADMINISTRATION

IN THE FLINT WATER TRAGEDY AND

DOING THAT BASED ON THE BUDGET

THAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS PASSED.

WE CALLED TIME AND TIME AGAIN

AND OFFERED AMENDMENTS TO

PREVENT THAT BUDGET FROM BEING

USED TO FUND THAT ATTORNEY AND

THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS SAID THEY

ARE OKAY WITH TAXPAYERS FUNDING

THE ATTORNEY, THE CRIMINAL

DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR RICK

SNYDER, THAT IS WRONG.

>> IS HILLARY CLINTON AN ASSET

FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IN

MICHIGAN?

>> WELL I THINK IT'S PRETTY

CLEAR THAT BOTH HILLARY CLINTON

AND DONALD TRUMP HAVE

SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVES EMPLOYING

PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

I DO THINK AT THE SAME TIME ONE

OF THE CANDIDATES AND IN

PARTICULAR HAVE COMPLETELY GONE

BEYOND THE PAIL IN TERMS OF HIS

PUBLIC RHETORIC, IN TERMS OF HIS

PERSONA AND DONALD TRUMP

DEMONSTRATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN

HE DOES NOT HAVE THE TEMPERMENT

OR THE EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL

STABILITY TO BE THE COMMANDER IN

CHIEF

>> MENTAL.

>> THAT IS RIGHT AND AS A

RESULT.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT HE

REALLY FLIES OFF THE HANDLE AND

HAS SHOWN PERSONALITY AND MOOD

SWINGS THAT FRANKLY ARE

DANGEROUS AND I THINK BECAUSE OF

THAT DANGEROUS TEMPERMENT WE SEE

HILLARY CLINTON OPENING UP A

VERY LARGE LEAD IN MICHIGAN AND

DEPENDING ON THE POLLS IT'S

ANYWHERE FROM 9-11 POINTS.

>> AREN'T YOU ARE ATTORNEY?

YOU ARE NOT A PSYCHIATRIST, ARE

YOU?

>> I THINK ANY FAIR OBSERVER

CHAD WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

SOMEBODY LIKE DONALD TRUMP WHO

HAS CALLED MEXICANS RACIST AND

KICKED BABIES OUT OF HIS RALLIED

AND COZIED UP TO RUSSIAN

DICTATOR VLADIMIR PUTIN AND

VIOLENCE SHOULD BE USED AGAINST

A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND

MOST RECENTLY MADE THE WILD

ACCUSATION THAT OBAMA AND

CLINTON SOMEHOW CREATED I.S.I.S.

AND TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO

IS COMPLETELY BEYOND THE PAIL OF

COMMON DECENCY, COMMON SENSE AND

RATIONALITY.

>> WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT THERE

WAS LEAD IN THE WATER IN FLINT?

>> WELL I FOUND OUT WHEN IT

BECAME PUBLIC IN THE MEDIA AND

YOU KNOW I THINK MANY OF MY

COLLEAGUES ESPECIALLY FROM THE

CITY OF FLINT HAD BEEN

EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THIS

TO GOVERNOR SNYDER AND TO THE

ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE GOING

BACK TO JANUARY OF 2015 AND

GETTING WARMED UP.

>> WHY DIDN'T THE HOUSE

DEMOCRATS BASED ON THE LETTER

AND OTHER FLINT PEOPLE WHY

DIDN'T YOU GUYS DO SOMETHING?

>> WELL WE WERE.

>> WHAT DID YOU DO?

>> WE TALKED PUBLICALLY ABOUT

GETTING DOWN TO THE WATER

RESULTS AND WE WERE THE ONES

DOING THAT THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS

WEREN'T, SNYDER WASN'T.

SNYDER WAS GETTING REQUESTS FROM

HOUSE DEMOCRATS WHO WERE TALKING

PUBLICALLY ABOUT THIS GOING

PUBLIC SAYING THERE IS SOMETHING

TERRIBLY WRONG WITH THE WATER IN

FRONT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS

BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PRIVY TO THE

TEST RESULTS BUT THERE IS

SOMETHING NOT RIGHT ABOUT WATER

THAT IS DISCOLORED AND NEARLY

OPAQUE IN SOME INSTANCES AND

ASKING PUBLICALLY FOR THIS TO BE

FULLY INVESTIGATED AND FIXED AND

THEY WERE CALLING ON THE

GOVERNOR AND ON THE ATTORNEY

GENERAL TO DO SOMETHING AND I

THINK OF MY COLLEAGUES SHELDON

KNEELY AND PHELPS AND ANICK

REPRESENT FLINT AND GOING BACK

NOW OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO

WERE SOUNDING THE ALARM ABOUT

THIS AND THE REALITY IS IT

WASN'T UNTIL THE NATIONAL MEDIA,

THE NATIONAL MEDIA STARTED

REALLY HOLDING THIS

ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE THAT

WE SAW SOME MOVEMENT FINALLY IN

A POSITIVE DIRECTION.

>> DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION

WITH THE GOVERNOR?

.

>> I DID NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION

WITH THE GOVERNOR.

>> WHY NOT?

>> BECAUSE THE STATE

LEGISLATURES FROM FLINT WERE

HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH

THE GOVERNOR AND WERE GETTING

BLOWN OFF.

>> BUT YOU ARE THE LEADER.

>> GETTING BLOWN OFF AT SOME

POINT WHY DIDN'T SOME OF THEIR

COLLEAGUES STEP IN TO GO AND

HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS

WELL?

>> I WILL SAY THIS I DID HAVE A

CONVERSATION WITH THE GOVERNOR

AS PART OVER A QUADRANT MEETING

TALKING ABOUT CONNECTING THE

FLINT WATER SYSTEM TO THE

DETROIT WATER SYSTEM.

>> WHEN WAS THIS FALL OF LAST

YEAR?

>> THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN YES

SUMMERISH OR FALL LAST YEAR.

LOOK THE GOVERNOR IN THE EYE AND

SAY YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ON

THIS FLINT WATER.

>> BOTH URGING HIM TO DO THAT

BOTH URGING AND BY WE BOTH ME

AND THE SENATOR AND OBVIOUSLY

THE LEGISLATORS CLOSEST TO THE

ISSUE, THE LEGISLATORS FROM

FLINT WERE SOUNDING THE ALARM

PUBLICALLY.

>> AND THE DEMOCRAT HANDS ARE

CLEAN ON THIS ISSUE.

>> THEY ARE.

I THINK IT HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR

THAT LEGISLATURES FROM FLINT AND

CONGRESSMAN DAN KILBY DID THIS

PRIVATELY AND PUBLICALLY AND

GETTING BLOWN OFF AS THE

ADMINISTRATION BLEW OFF

RESIDENTS IN FLINT.

>> GOVERNOR SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW

ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF THE WATER

UNTIL OCTOBER 15 THAT IS A

YES-OR-NO QUESTION?

>> TOP MEMBERS OF HIS

ADMINISTRATION KNEW GOING BACK

TO EARLY 2015 AND EVEN LATE 2014

WE HAVE E-MAIL TRAFFIC THAT

CLEARLY SHOWS THAT HIS CHIEF OF

STAFF AND OTHERS EITHER HE KNEW

AND IS LYING ABOUT NOT KNOWING

OR IF EVERYBODY AROUND HIM NOW

AND HE DIDN'T HE IS THE FAILURE

OF LEADERSHIP.

MR. GREIMEL WE TICKED THE TOP OF

THE THING WILL YOU STAY FOR AN

OVER TIME SEGMENT?

>> BRIEFLY SURE.

[LAUGHTER]

YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.

NO WE APPRECIATE YOU STAYING.

>> OF COURSE.

>> SO GOOD NIGHT TO YOU GUYS AND

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