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>> WELCOME BACK.
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BETTING IN MICHIGAN,
REPRESENTATIVE ROBERT KOSOWSKI
OF WESTLAND.
OUR LEAD STORY, THE NASSAR
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DOLLARS. WHERE WILL THE MONEY
COME FROM?
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AND NOW THE EDITION OF "OFF THE
RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT
THE$500MILLION SETTLEMENT AT
MS AND FORMER GOVERNOR JOHN
ENGLER.
>> THE MSU PRESIDENT WAS ON THE
WAY TO THE CLOSED DOOR MEETING
DO YOU THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO
ASK THE LAWMAKERS FOR THIS MONEY
FROM THE GOVERNOR.
WE ARE LATE FOR A MEETING.
DO THEY HAVE MONEY?
THE GOVERNOR ASKING FOR MONEY
FROM THE SETTLEMENT FROM NASSAR.
WILL YOU VOTE YES ON THAT?
>> ABSOLUTLEY NOT.
>> YOU ARE NO LONGER GOVERNOR,
JOHN.
GO FIND THE MONEY FROM MSU, NOT
FROM US.
NOT FROM THE TAXPAYER.
>> THE$500MILLION NASSAR
SETTLEMENT IS BEING HAILED AS
MAJOR STEP FORWARD, MR.ENGLER
WILL GET A CHILLY RECEPTION IF
HE COMES TO THE LEGISLATURE
ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.
>> LOOK INTO THE OWN FUNDS,
FIRST.
DON'T GO TO TUITION.
IF HE SAYS OK, I HAVE DONE THAT.
HE STILL NEEDS STATE HELP.
>> LOOK DEEPER.
THEY HAVE A LARGER DAY FUND.
IT HAS BEEN STORMY OVER THERE.
>> MSU HAS$1BILLION
UNRESTRICTED FUND
AND$51MILLION INSURANCE POLICY
AND COULD BORROW MONEY ALONG
WITH BOOSTING TUITION IF HE
DECIDES TO GO THERE.
NONE OTHER FRONT, AS PART OF THE
SURVIVAL LEGAL AGREEMENT, SOME
HAVE AGREED TO BACK OFF SUPPORT
OF A PROPOSAL TO GIVE OTHER
SURVIVORS MORE TIME TO FILE A
LAWSUIT.
MSU OPPOSES THAT.
BUT THIS SURVIVOR ADVOCATE AND
STATE SENATOR SAYS, IT'S NOT
BINDING ON HER.
>> WELL, THOSE WHO THINK THE
LAWSUIT DICTATES WHAT
REPUBLICANS DO AT THE CAPITAL,
THEY ARE MISTAKEN.
THE FORMER GOVERNOR WHO IS GOOD
SAYS HE WILL NOT BE ASKING FOR
STATE AID, BUT HE DOESN'T RULE
OUT A TUITION INCREASE.
>> WELL, NOT OUR INTENT TO DO
THAT.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO ASK FOR
THAT, YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY
TUITION, RIGHT?
ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO
USE IS FIND A LEPRECHAUN AND I
AM SERIOUS.
WE HAVE NOT MADE THOSE
DECISIONS.
MR.ENGLER WILL START WITH THE
INSURANCE COMPANY FIRST AND MOVE
TO THE OTHER DECISION.
WELL, ALL RIGHT.
WHERE DOES HE GET THE MONEY?
>> WELL, HE DOES HAVE, LIKE YOU
SAID,$1BILLION IN UNRESTRICTED
ASSETS AND THERE IS, UM, A
COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION IN
INSURANCE THAT COULD BE USED.
BUT TUITION INCREASE, THAT IS
GOING TO GO OVER SO BADLY AND IT
IS GOING TO JEOPARDIZE THE, THE
FUNDING THAT THE STATE GIVING
HIM ALREADY.
THE STATE GIVES HIM, GAVE
HIM$281MILLION LAST YEAR WHICH
IS, WHICH IS A SMALL PORTION OF
THEIR BUDGET, BUT IT IS A
SIGNIFICANT PORTION, IT IS NOT
THAT THEY CANNOT LOSE.
SO RAISING TUITION IS, I THINK,
A NONSTARTER.
>> JUST LIKE THIS YEAR, HAS THE
TUITION RESTRAINT CAP AND
PENALIZATION OF THE UNIVERSITY
TO GO OVER A CERTAIN POINT AND
CERTAINLY MOST UNIVERSITIES DO
RAISE TUITION REGULARLY, BUT
JUST BELOW THAT CAP, SO WE'LL
SEE WHERE MSU FALLS ON THAT.
>> WELL, AND, AND THE PRESIDENT
ANYWHERE CAN SAY TODAY THAT
THERE ARE NO PLANS TO ASK THE
LEGISLATURE FOR SOMETHING BUT,
YOU KNOW, HE HAS TO FIND THAT
LEPRECHAUN AND MY QUESTION IS IF
THE ISSUE COMES UP AND, AND
LEGISLATURES, ACTUALLY FUTURE
LEGISLATORS, THEN LIKELIHOOD
HAVE TO MAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER
TO PAY SURVIVORS, I MEAN, THAT
IS A TOUGH VOTE TO VOTE NO ON.
>> WOW.
I TELL YOU WHAT.
THIS SAMPLING I GOT DOWN THERE
YESTERDAY,
NOBODY IN THE MOOD TO OPEN THIS
CHECKBOOK.
YOU CREATED THIS PROBLEM.
YOU FIND THE MONEY.
WHO IS GOING TO SAY TODAY THAT
THEY ARE READY THERE AND ABLE TO
DO THAT, THE QUESTION IS WHAT
ARE THEY GOING TO DO WHEN THE
QUESTION IS ACTUALLY PUT IN
FRONT OF THEM.
>> IF IT IS.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
GETTING THIS PIECE OFF OF THE
TABLE AND THIS IS A TENTATIVE
AGREEMENT THAT IS THE TEASE.
>> WELL, IT IS DUE TO THE
PERIMETERS AND ALLOWS US TO
VOTE.
>> SO LET'S ASSUME IT STAYS IN
PLACE.
WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
GETTING THIS THING RESOLVED?
>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY, FROM BOTH
THE SCHOOL AND THE SURVIVORS,
THIS GIVES THEM SOME SORT OF
CLOSURE ON THE DEAL AND
OBVIOUSLY, MSU HAS A LOT OF WORK
TO DO TO STILL REBUILD TRUST AND
IMPROVE PROCESS ON THE CAMPUS
AND TO PREVENT THIS SORT OF
THING FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, AND
FROM A LEGISLATURE PERSPECTIVE
AS YOU MENTIONED THERE AS WELL.
WELL, THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE
THE DYNAMICS OF THE LEGISLATION,
THAT IS BEFORE THE LAWMAKERS ARE
CONSIDERING IT WAS PASSED BY THE
SENATE AND IS NOW AT THE HOUSE
AND PART OF THE SETTLEMENT
APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO
ATTORNEYS AND MR.BOB YOUNG, THE
FORMER SUPREME COURT JUSTICE IS
TO DROP SURVIVORS DROPPING
SUPPORT OR AT LEAST GOING
NEUTRAL AND ON BILLS THAT WOULD
REMOVE GOVERNMENT MINORITY IN
CASES LIKE THIS.
>> WELL, THE IMPACT ON
LAWMAKERS.
THIS IS NONBINDING.
WELL, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY
CRITICAL OF THAT.
AND MY QUESTION AS FAR AS THAT
BEING A CONDITION, I MEAN, I
THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM,
YOU KNOW, CONSTITUTIONAL
IMPLEMENTS HERE INCLUDING
FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THE RIGHT TO
PETITION THE GOVERNMENT AND YOU
ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT BINDING
ON$336,$332 SURVIVORS, I
DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN
MAKE THAT A CONDITION.
>> WELL, BUT IF YOU HAVE BEEN
SITTING AND WATCHING THE
HEARINGS IN THE HOUSE ON THIS,
THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN AMONG
CLOSE LAWMAKERS ABOUT THE
PROVISION THE SENATE HAS PASSED.
>> YES.
SO I DON'T EXPECT THOSE TO PASS
AS THEY WERE PASSED IN THE
SENATE.
THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, THE
ABILITY TO SUE RETROACTIVELY
BACK TO 1997 THE GOVERNMENTAL
IMMUNITY.
THOSE THREE THINGS ARE GOING TO
CHANGE.
>> YEAH.
>> GO AHEAD.
YEAH.
YEAH.
>> AS I SAY, AS THE SENATOR
SAID, NOTHING IN THIS SETTLEMENT
IS BEING IN ON LEGISLATURES THEY
CAN DO THEIR OWN THING, BUT IF,
IF VICTIMS, SURVIVORS AND WHO
ARE REALLY PUSHING FOR THIS
PACKAGE AT LEAST GO NEUTRAL ON
SOME OF THE BILLS THAT GIVES
LAWMAKERS IN THE HOUSE WHO ARE
READY, ALREADY MOVING TOWARD
CHANGES MORE COVER TO DO THAT,
OBVIOUSLY, ANY TIME YOU ARE
DEALING WITH THE LEGISLATURE,
THE RISK FOR FEAR FOR
POLITICIANS IS THAT YOU DO
SOMETHING AND THE SURVIVORS ARE
GOING TO SAY ARE NOT DOING
ENOUGH TO RIGHT THIS SITUATION
TO BE ATTACKED BY SURVIVORS IS A
TOUGH POSITION FOR LAWMAKERS TO
BE IN.
SO IF AT LEAST THEY WILL NOT BE
CRITICIZED FOR DROPPING THE
GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY BILL, THAT
GIVES THE HOUSE MORE LEEWAY.
>> BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF
SURVIVORS AND IT ONLY TAKES ONE
SPEAKING OUT AGAINST IT TO, YOU
KNOW, GET THIS SORT OF
UNWELCOMED ATTENTION THAT YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT.
>> THERE IS A COLLECTIVE SIGH OF
RELIEF.
THIS IS OUT OF THE WAY.
THERE IS STILL THE CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION.
IT IS STILL THROUGHOUT.
YOU HAVE THIS PENDING
LEGISLATION AND YOU GOT
EDUCATION.
>> NCAA AND, AND, U.S. SENATE
HEARING IS COMING UP NEXT WEEK
ON THAT.
PLUS, THIS WILL BE A CAMPAIGN
ISSUE IN THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES
RAISE WHEN TWO OPEN SEATS UP FOR
GRAB.
BELIEVE ME, THERE WILL BE PLENTY
OF DEBATE ON THAT.
ISN'T THAT FASCINATING?
THAT USUALLY THE UNIVERSITY
BOARD RACES ARE A MEASURE OF
CORE POLITICAL SUPPORT.
THAT, I MEAN, WHEN PEOPLE ARE
LOOKING AT THIS, WE JUST LOOK AT
THAT AND WE WOULD SEE THIS
MEASURE IS BASED FOR THE R'S
VERSUS THE D'S OR WHATEVER.
WE MAY HAVE ACTUAL ISSUES IN
THESE UNIVERSITY BOARD RACES.
>> WELL, ONE OF THE SURVIVORS IS
TALKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR ONE OF
THE MICHIGAN STATE BOARD, SO
THAT JUST OPENS UP, YOU KNOW, A
WHOLE OTHER LINE OF DEBATE.
WELL, IT WOULD BE THE CLOSELY
WATCHED MSU TRUSTEE RACE OVERALL
AND PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT SPORTS BETTING.
EVERYBODY IN MICHIGAN WANTS TO
DO THIS.
I BET.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
>> WELL, WE ARE TRYING TO FAST
TRACK IT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT GET DONE
BEFORE SUMMER BREAK.
>> SUMMER BREAK IS
JUNE21st.
TALK ABOUT A FAST TRACK.
BUT, GOVERNOR RICK SNYDER IS NOT
ON THAT FAST TRACK, IN FACT, IN
HIS FIRST INTERVIEW SINCE THE
U.S. SUPREME COURT RULING THIS
WEEK, HE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO
TALK ABOUT IT.
>> WE WANT TO DO SPORTS BETTING.
>> THAT WOULD NOT BE THE HIGHEST
THING ON MY LIST.
>> YOU WOULDN'T RULE IT OUT?
>> AGAIN, I AM NOT LOOKING TO
GET INVOLVED IN THAT TOPIC.
I WILL WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS
FROM THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE.
>> IT RAISES MONEY.
WE'LL WAIT TO SEE.
>> ONE PROPOSAL WOULD PERMIT
SPORTS BETTING AT TRIBAL CASINO
AND ONE ESTIMATE SUGGESTS THAT
COULD RAISE ABOUT$30MILLION
FOR THE STATE WITH$6MILLION
GOING TO THE SCHOOLS.
THIS REPUBLICAN SENATOR WHO IS
NOT GAMBLING SAYS HE WILL VOTE
YES.
HOW?
WELL, ACTUALLY WE LET OTHER
STATES HAVE IT AND NOT US.
SO THINGS, THE THING THAT I LIKE
ABOUT IT.
YOU TAKE THAT EXTRA REVENUE.
YOU PUT IT TOWARD THE ROADS.
PUT IT TOWARD ANYTHING YOU WANT.
>> A FORMER SHERIFF ARGUES THERE
IS ILLEGAL BETTING GOING ON
RIGHT NOW.
WHY NOT TAKE IT OUT OF THE HANDS
OF THE ORGANIZED CRIME AND PUT
IT IN THE STATES.
WELL, I DON'T THINK GAMBLING IS
GOOD FOR PEOPLE.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS ALREADY
ON-LINE.
IT IS BEING RUN BY ORGANIZED
CRIME.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER YOU WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE IT OUT THERE.
LET'S TAX.
WHEN THEY APPROVED THREE DETROIT
CASINOS THEY FORCED LAWMAKERS TO
FIND 83 HOUSE VOTES AND 28
SENATE VOTES TO DO THE SPORTS
BETTING.
THAT IS A HEAVY LIFT.
>> A LOT OF VOTES AND ONLY TAKES
A QUARTER HERE OF THE MEMBERS TO
SAY NO TO STOP IT FROM
HAPPENING.
>> THE GOVERNOR NOT ONBOARD AND
SOME SERIOUS LEGAL QUESTIONS
HANGING OVER THE DEBATE, IT IS
FAIR TO SAY, IT IS FAR FROM
BEING A SURE BET.
>> ALL RIGHT.
IS THIS GOING TO PASS?
>> WELL, THERE IS A COUPLE OF
PROPOSALS OUT THERE.
WELL, OUR GUESTS HAS ONE
PROPOSAL, BUT THEN THERE IS
ANOTHER BILL THAT HAS PASSED OUT
OF THE COMMITTEE THEY WOULD
ALLOW ON-LINE GAMBLING AND THE
PACIFIC LANGUAGE IN THAT BILL
THAT SAYS IT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE
SPORTS BETTING IF THAT IS NOT
ILLEGAL AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
WITH THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IT
IS NOT ILLEGAL AT THE FEDERAL
LEVEL AND THAT BILL SEEKS TO
ALLOW ON-LINE GAMBLING WITHOUT
NEEDING THAT VOTE AND BECAUSE IT
WOULD GO THROUGH THE CASINOS
WHICH WERE APPROVED AND IT WOULD
REQUIRE A SIMPLE MAJORITY SO
THAT BILL HAS A LOWER BAR TO
CLEAR AND THEN I THINK THERE IS
SOME DEFINITE DEBATE GOING ON.
>> WELL, YOU GOT TO BE SPENDING
THE FISTS ON THE TABLE IN
FRUSTRATION AS THE PEOPLE WHO
OWN THE HORSE TRACKS THAT CLOSED
DOWN BECAUSE WE ARE SO CLOSE.
>> YEAH.
YEAH.
THEY WANTED SOMETHING LIKE THIS
FOR SO LONG TO TRY TO KEEP THEM
OPEN.
I THINK I WE ARE DOWN ONE TRACK
NOW.
>> BUT THE CURBSIDE APPEAL HERE
IN MICHIGAN, I THINK, IT IS, IT
IS PHENOMENAL.
>> I THINK IT IS IN EVERY STATE.
I MEAN, EVERY STATE.
EVERY STATE IS GOING TO BE
CONSIDERED THIS RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT AS,
AS RICK JONES SAID, PROBABLY IS
GOING ON ANYWAYS.
SO DO YOU WANT TO LIKE MEDICAL
MARIJUANA.
BRING IT TO A REGULATED
ENVIRONMENT.
TAX IT.
PERHAPS MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF IT.
THERE IS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES
BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEBATES.
THE QUESTION IS.
THE REPRESENTATIVE SAYS DOING IT
NOW, DOING IT FAST WOULD GIVE
MICHIGAN AN ADVANTAGE TO MAKE A
LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY IN THE
FIRST COUPLE YEARS.
>> A VERY DIFFICULT VOTE RIGHT
NOW TO GET THROUGH THE
LEGISLATURE, BUT AT SOME POINT,
WELL, AT SOME POINT, THERE IS
GOING TO BE LOBBYING AGAINST IT
BY, YOU KNOW, MY GUESS WOULD BE
THE CATHOLIC CONFERENCE WOULD BE
AMONG THEM THAT ARE OPPOSING
THIS.
I COULD BE WRONG.
BUT, UM, THE BINGO GAMES.
NOT TO MENTION THE CASINO
INTERESTS AND INDIAN TRIBES.
>> YEAH.
YEAH.
>> SO THE CASINOS ARE EXCITED
ABOUT IT.
>> YEAH.
YEAH.
>> I MEAN, IN MICHIGAN, IT IS
COMPLICATED.
>> RIGHT.
>> THEY WANT IT.
>> RIGHT.
>> THERE IS CONCERN IN THE
HOUSE, I SAT IN ON A HEARING
ABOUT FANTASY SPORTS, AND, THAT
IS NOT CONSIDERED GAMBLING BUT
THERE WERE FOLKS, MEMBERS IN
THAT COMMITTEE WHO WERE LIKE,
YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE GOING TO
START ALLOWING THIS ON-LINE,
KIDS ARE GOING TO BE DOING IT.
HOW DO YOU PREVENT KIDS FROM
DOING IT?
I WILL GUESS THERE IS SOME GUYS
RUNNING FOR HOUSE IN TOUGH SEATS
THAT GO BACK TO SAY WE GOT YOU
ANOTHER$100 MILLION TO FILL THE
POTHOLES TO EDUCATE THE KIDS TO
SEE WHAT A GOOD BOY I AM.
THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO
BEFORE IT MAY BE A TOUGH VOTE
RIGHT NOW, AT SOME POINT, WE ARE
GOING TO HIT A RECESSION OF SOME
LEVEL OF SEVERITY AT THAT POINT
THE PROSPECT OF ADDITIONAL
REVENUE WITHOUT RAISING TAXES IS
GOING TO LOOK PRETTY ATTRACTIVE.
>> HIS ARGUMENT IS EXPANDING
GAMBLING WILL LEAD TO GREATER
ADDICTION PROBLEMS AND YOU KNOW,
MORAL SOCIETAL ISSUES THAN CAME
UP.
EVEN REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO IN THIS STATE LOTTERY
STARTED DOING ON-LINE GAMBLING.
LAWMAKERS GOT ANGRY ABOUT THAT.
CERTAINLY THERE IS, THERE IS
GOING TO BE PUSHBACK.
>> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE
FURTHER.
REPRESENTATIVE?
>> DEMOCRATIC STATE REP ROBERT
KOSOWSKI OF WESTLAND IS IN HIS
FINAL TERM IN THE MICHIGAN HOUSE
AND IS NOW RUNNING FOR THE
SENATE.
HE SERVES ON THE HOUSE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE WOKRING
ON THE SCHOOL AID AND STATE
POLICE BUDGETS.
HE IS A GRADUATE OF ADRIAN
COLLEGE AND WAYNE STATE.
WELCOME.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> GREAT TO BE ON THE BEST SHOW
IN LANSING.
A GOOD START THERE.
JONATHAN, GO GET HIM.
>> MONDAY, THE U.S. SUPREME
COURT DID PAVE THE WAY FOR
STATES TO START OFFERING SPORTS
BETTING IF THEY CHOOSE.
THEY SAID IT IS A CONTROVERSIAL
DECISION, ONE THAT SHOULD BE
TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST WEEK
HAVE YOU HAD SERIOUS
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT GETTING YOUR
LEGISLATION MOVING?
>> SURE.
SO FIRST OF ALL,
THE SUPREME COURT HAD A GREAT
DECISION.
I MEAN THE MONOPOLY SHOULD NOT
BE.
I THINK ALL STATES BACK IN 1992
THEY WERE GIVEN AN OPTION TO SEE
IF THEY WANT TO HAVE SPORTS
BETTING.
THAT IS LONG TIME AGO.
I AM GLAD THEY DID THAT.
THIS WEEK HAS BEEN A WHIRLWIND.
I AM HAPPY THE WAIT IS GOING.
IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING ON SINCE 2015 AND
I INTRODUCED THIS BILL.
THE REASON WE DID IT.
WE LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS RAISING TAXES
ON PEOPLE AT THE REGISTRATION
FREE WITH GAS TAX.
LOOK FOR WAYS TO TRY TO FIND OUT
TO NOT GET MONEY FROM RESIDENTS.
IT IS THEIR FREE WILL IF THEY
WANT TO GAMBLE.
THEY ARE DOING IT NOW.
I KNOW THE SENATOR SAID IT.
THE BLACK MARKET IS
UNBELIEVABLE.
THERE IS PEOPLE TAKING ON
THREATS.
I DON'T HAVE IT.
I CAN GO ON ALL OF THOSE AND
GAMBLE ILLEGALLY.
WE'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING.
BUT EVEN MORE, THERE IS NO
AWARENESS.
WE CAN NOT HELP THE PEOPLE GOING
ON THE PHONE.
>> MY BILL HAS BEEN GOING TOWARD
BEING AWARE AND THE CASINOS
LOOKING AND THEY ARE, YOU KNOW,
THEY LOOK FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH GAMBLING AND TRY
TO HELP THEM.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS 100%.
AT LEAST ONE IS WATCHING.
NOT CARING IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM
AND YOU ARE THE WHOLE SPORT?
THE CONVERSATION WAS THE THREE
DETROIT CASINOS?
VERY LIMITED.
I WILL GIVE A PLUG.
HE IS HELPING ON THIS ONE.
HE HAS HIS OWN BILL AND THEY ARE
OUT WORKING TOGETHER.
THEY ARE EXCITED.
WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO, THOUGH,
THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS WAR
PLAN.
THEY HAVE TO DECIDE IF THIS AREA
IS BETTER TO HAVE SLOT MACHINES
OR SPORTS BOOKS.
THEN, THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK TO
SAY A SPORTS BOOK.
SO TOURISM IS GOING TO BE OFF
THE CHARTS.
THESE HOTELS ARE GOING TO BE
BOOKED THESE ARE GOING TO BE
PACKED.
ALONG AT THE NCAA TOURNAMENT.
MOST PEOPLE GO TO VEGAS BECAUSE
THEY LOVE THAT ATMOSPHERE AND
HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
GO TO ANY CASINO IN MICHIGAN.
>> WELL, WHOEVER CHOOSE TO DO
IT.
>> YOU ARE AGAINST THE ON-LINE
GAMING.
>> NOT AT ALL.
HOW DOES TOURISM BENEFIT FROM
PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING BETS ON
THEIR PHONES.
>> WELL, I THINK, THERE IS A
STUDY THAT WAS OUT THERE THAT
VEGAS IS WORRIED ABOUT ON-LINE
SPORTS AND GAMBLING AND ALL OF
THAT.
SO PEOPLE STILL GO THERE.
THEY GO THERE MORE.
LIKE IT GETS THEM EXCITED.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
IT IS NOT GOING TO HELP THEM.
IT WILL HELP THE GO TO CASINO
WHICH MY BILL DOES AND SPEND
MONEY.
>> THE MICHIGAN BILL WOULD
REQUIRE YOU TO BE IN THE
BALANCE.
THE ON-LINE WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO
BE IN THE STATE.
CORRECT.
>> THEY WOULD GO UP IN THE STATE
SO MAYBE ARE GRABBING ACROSS THE
BOARDER.
>> WELL I COULD DO THAT NOW.
>> I COULD DRIVE.
I LIVE 20-MILES FROM WIN.
>> WELL, LET'S TALK PRACTICAL
POLITIC.
SURE.
>> THE SPEAKER SAID GO.
>> WELL, THAT IS A NO.
>> THAT IS A NOT.
>> I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HIM.
WELL, I AM SURE.
>> I AM SURE THEY HAVE.
I AM WORKING ON MY SIDE OF THE
AISLE GETTING VOTE AND I DON'T
THINK I HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING
VOTE OOMPH WELL, WHAT IS THE
ARGUMENT THAT YOU FACED.
WELL REALLY I HAVE NOT HEARD
ONE.
THEM WITHIN THAT I HEARD IS
WHILE GAMBLING IS PRONG.
THAT A THAT IS THE CASE THEN
LET'S BLOW UP THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
THERE IS NO MORE BINGOS OR$30
SCRATCH-OFFS AND NO MORE THREE
OR FOUR DIFFERENT NUMBERS THERE
IS NO MORE LOTTERY IN THE SCHOOL
AID.
>> THAT IS OUT.
THAT IS GAMBLING.
>> THIS IS MORE OF A SKILL THAN
A SCRATCH-OFF.
WELL, YOU HAVE GOTTEN ANY
INDICATION THAT SPORTS LEAGUES
ARE GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN MY.
THEY USE THAT LEAD THOUGH
SUPREME COURT.
>> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
INTEGRITY PIECES, YOU KNOW?
THEY ARE MAKING MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND
OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT TO LOOK TO
SEE WHATEVER THEY CAN GET MORE
MONEY AND I THINK IT IS A BAD
ATTEMPT ON THEIR PART THEY ARE
GOING TO GET IT.
THEY GO TO PLAY.
LET HIM GET THE MONEY FROM THAT.
A DO YOU NEED THE PROFESSIONAL
SPORTS TEAMS TO SIGN OFF ON
THIS.
>> YEAH.
NOT TO MY IMAGINE.
THIS IS A STATE ISSUE.
>> SO WHEN DOES DETROIT TIGERS
COME TO YOU.
LOOK, WE DON'T MIND GAMBLING.
>> WELL, GIVE IT TO US.
GIVE IT TO THE STATE.
THAT WAS WHAT I WOULD SAY.
WHAT IS THE NEXT SNEAP SO THE
NEXT STEP, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD
HEARING ON THIS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A VOTE BECAUSE WE
ARE WAITING FOR THE SUPREME
COURT.
WHY WASTE OUR TIME IF THAT IS
GOING TO COME BACK.
SO I TALK TO HIM.
WE'LL HAVE HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK A
COMMITTEE HEARING AND THAT IS
GOING TO GO WELL.
YOU WILL SEE A MEAN? THERE AND
SEE THEM EXCITED AND I THINK I
THINK THIS IS A GO.
THIS IS A GOOD DOUBLE DOWN ON 11
FOR SURE.
>> YOU HEARD THE COMMENT?
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THE
GOVERNOR?
HAS OTHER ISSUES AND HAS TO
WORRY ABOUT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WHEN YOU
LOOK AT IT
WE JUST WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW
MUCH MONEY NOW.
BECAUSE IT IS A BLACK MARKET.
>> WE HAVE$1BILLION.
I DID.
WAYS NOT ME.
IT WAS NOT ME.
IT WAS WILLIAM SPORTS BROOK CAME
FROM VEGAS AND THEY TOOK A SMALL
SAM LING FROM NEVADA WITHOUT
VEGAS END IT.
THEY DID THEIR DEAL.
THEY HAD$300 MILLION FOR THREE
COUNTIES.
WITHOUT INVESTIGATE GAN THERE
IS.
WE STARTED.
IT COULD BE ABOUT
FROM$300MILLION TO$1.
ABOUT THAT IS GOOD RANGE.
I WOULDN'T MINE GET$1BILLION.
HAVE YOU DRIVE IN THE ROADS?
>> ARE THE COPS GOING TO FIGHT
YOU ON THIS?
>> YOU GOT LAW ON THE BOARD.
I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD DO
IT.
>> IT IS EXPANSION OF GAMBLING.
>> IT TAKES AWAY THE BOOK.
IT DOESN'T.
IT WILL CIRCUMVENT A LITTLE BIT.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE
AMERICAN INCH THEY HAD ISSUES
WITH LEGISLATION.
WHERE ARE THEY HOOT WOULD SO WE
RAILROAD, WOG WITH THEM NOW.
WITH THEM, THEY HAVE MATTER
CASINOS.
SO IT IS NOT LIKE DETROIT
CASINOS HAVE A LOT MORE SPACE.
THAT IS WHERE I BROUGHT IT UP.
THESE STUDY EARLY.
THEY HAVE LOOK TO SAY WE CAN
MAKE THIS MUCH HERE AND HAVE 20
SLOT MACHINES TO MAKE MORE.
THAT IS THEIR DECISION.
>> ARE THEY ONBOARD.
BELIEVE THEY WILL.
A ALL RIGHT.
GOING BACK TO RENEGOTIATION OF
THE COMPACT.
>> THEY ARE NOT ONBOARD.
THEY DIDN'T SIGN OFF YET.
I AM SURE WE'LL GET THEM.
>> DOES THAT MEAN LESS REVENUE
FOR THE STATE FROM THE CASINOS.
>> YES.
THERE WILL BE.
THAT WILL BE NEGOTIATED.
SURE.
>> YES.
YOU ARE WILLING TO LEGISLATE AT
THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> WELL, I AM NOT A GAMBLER.
I WOULD BET MY JOB ON IT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> I AM.
ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT.
WHAT ABOUT BUYING SPORTS BET
AGENT LOTTERY TERMINALS.
THAT IS ANOTHER BILL I PUT THAT
ONE IN BACK IN 15 OR 16 BECAUSE
HERE IS MY GREATEST STORY.
I WENT AND GOT SOME MILK AND
WAYS IN A PARTY STORE.
THERE WAS ONE.
HE PLAYED 283.
WITH THE THREE AND FOUR DIMMING
GIT NUMBERS AND HANDED HEM
THREE$100.
THIS IS EVERY DAY YOU SEE PLACE
EVERY DAY.
>> WELL, I SAID WAIT A SECOND.
HE CAN PLAY$280 AND NOBODY IS
WATCHING HIM CARING ABOUT HIM
BUT I CAN NOT WAKE UP SAY I WILL
BET ON DETROIT LIONS$2.
DOESN'T MAKE.
YOU NEED A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE TO
DO THAT RIGHT.
>> FOR THAT ONE, YES.
>> A SEASON FOES NO.
WELL, DO YOU.
YOU NEED THAT THREE QUARTERS
VOTE TO CHANGE.
>> I FOR THAT PIECE.
>> YEAH.
BUT NOT THE OTHER ONE WHICH I AM
MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OTHER
ONE.
I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE TO GET
MOMENTUM GOING.
I WANT TO PUT OUT ALL.
>> CHALLENGE YOU ON THAT.
>> YEAH.
WELL, THIS THE SPORTS BETTING
YOU THINK YOU NEED THE 50.
>> YEAH.
>> ALL RIGHT.
YOU ARE RUNNING FOR THE SENATE?
>> I AM.
>> WHAT IS THE ISSUE OUT THERE?
THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS ROADS.
I COULD TALK ABOUT THAT ALL DAY.
THE OTHER ONE IS INSURANCE.
WELL, I MEAN, THIS CLAIMS FUN
HAD$20BILLION AND YOU KNOW ALL
ABOUT THIS.
MAIN, LET'S GET TRANSPARENCY
SHIFT WE GET A BUNCH OF THOSE
THROUGHOUT AND YOU HAVE
INSURANCE RATES BASED ON THE
CREDIT SCORE.
I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO HAVE A
BIG CREDIT SCORE TO DRIVE GOOD
OR ON THE ZIP CODE.
THE COMPANIES SAY THAT IS A WAY
TO LIMIT THE RISK AND LIKE.
>> OH WELL.
>> WELL.
DOESN'T THE CREDIT SCORE TELL
SOMETHING BUT.
>> HE DON'T THINK SO.
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
>> WELL.
550.
WELL.
IT IS HIGHER THAN THAT.
NOT MUCH.
I THINK IT IS DISCRIMINATION.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
DRIVING RECORD.
IT IS RY DICK LOSS.
THOSE ARE TWO ISSUES.
ROAD IS A BIG ONE.
HE TRY TO DELL THEM TO PUT$17 A
MILLION BACK IN THERE AND DON'T
AC LIKE ARE DOING ME A FAVOR.
SHOULD BE TAKING CARE OF THESE
ROAD.
NOW THE LAST TEN YEARS.
WELL, IT HAS BEEN LIKE THIS ON
THE ROADS.
MO MORE FUNDING.
WE JUST RAISED IT BY 29.
HOW CAN IT NOT BE GOING UP AND
DOWN.
IT SHOULD BE GOING UP AND ONLY
UP.
IT IS NOT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> WERE ONBOARD WITH THE PLAN.
>> WELL, SO FOR THE MOST PART I
WAS.
THE WORSE THING ABOUT THAT IS A
LIMITED CAP THERE IF SOMETHING
DID HAPPEN SEE YOU COULD NEVER
LOOK AT ONE OF THE CONSTITUENTS
THE STATE TO HAPPEN TO THEM AND
THE FAMILY WENT BACK RESPECT I
COULD NOT DO IT S. HEAR THERE IS
A NEW PLAN COMING UP I WANT TO
LOWER INSURANCE RATES.
>> WHAT DO YOU NEAR THE CAP HE
IS THE CENTER PIECE OF THE
PLANT.
>> IT IS.
IT ITS.
THAT IS WHERE THE SAYINGS ARE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE CHOICE
MAYBE EXPLODE INCLUDING SENIORS
AND A LOT OF THINGS THROUGHOUT
WHICH I WILL NOT TALK TO BECAUSE
IT IS WELL.
YOU HAVE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT
THIS.
>> NOT ON THIS ONE YET.
>> OK.
WHO HAVE YOU TALKED TO?
>> I TALKED TO COLLEAGUES WHO
HAVE TALKED PROBABLY SOME OF THE
THE STAFF.
>> WHEN SHOULD WE LOOK FORWARD
TO SEEING THAT?
>> YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING LIGHT
AFTER THIS AFTER BREAK IN.
AFTER THE SUMMER BLEAK WHEN WE
COME BACK?
>> YEAH.
>> AFTER THE PRIMARY.
>> YEAH.
AFTER THE PRIMARY WHEN PEOPLE
KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE HEAR
AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND
THEY DON'T MAKE IT.
1:00.
>> RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF
TIME BETWEEN THE BREAK AND THE
ELECTION 1:00 DO YOU THINK IT
MAY GET PASSED OFF UNTIL LAME
DUCK.
>> KITE.
IT IS POSSIBLE YOU MO HE.
WHATEVER IT IS.
IT IS POSSIBLE.
IT IS POSSIBLE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> LIKELY PROBABLY.
>> LIKELY.
>> WE COULD SAVE PEOPLE MONEY.
NOW?
HE DO IN CARE WHEN HATE PEPS.
KITE HAPPEN THE LAST DAY OF
SESSION.
HE DON'T CARE.
>> REPRESENTATIVE SOMEBODY
DESCRIBED YOU AS POOR MEAN
HARVEY SAN NAN BY THAT THEY
MEANT BY THAT THEY HEN, WORKING
WITH ME HERE.
ALL RIGHT.
BY THAT THEY MEANT YOU WANDERED
OVER ON HER TO SIDE.
YOU ARE WILLING TO HELP US.
>> YOUR VOTE IS AVAILABLE.
>> SURE.
>> SURE.
>> SO HOW MUCH FLAK DO YOU GREAT
THE CAUCUS.
A OH, LIGHT.
OH.
A LOT.
I DON'T GO THERE ANY MORE.
HE WILL TELL YU.
LET ME TELL YOU THIS QUICK STORY
HERE.
YOU DIDN'T HEAR PRESIDENT?
SO I WAS ON THE SHOW THE OTHER
DAY.
NO NOW I AM GETTING COMPARED TO
THE BEST FRIEND UP THERE.
BUT FRANK SAID YOU SOUND ALIKE.
WELL, HE GOES DON'T BE MAD AT
ME.
OK.
HE GOES PATRICK I LAUGHED OUT
LOUD THIS IS ON THE RADIO.
PATRICK IS THE GUY BUT OUR
THEORIES TO DIFFERENT.
HARVEY IS, I SAT NEXT TO HIM.
I LEARNED A LOT.
YOU KNOW.
>> I DO NOT.
I DO NOT.
I DO NOT.
>> YEAH.
HE IS BETTER.
IT IS VOLUNTARY BECAUSE I GET
MORE STUFF DONE STANDING
THROUGHOUT MEETING WITH
LOBBYISTS AND MEETING WITH
COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE AND
SOME OF MY COLLEAGUE AS FAR AS
THOSE THINGS THAT I MADE THIS
DECISION AND I DON'T WANT TO SIT
IN THERE AND RISK.
HE IS A GREAT LEADER WILL NOT
SAY IS NOT.
TRIED TO GET ME IN THERE AND ON
IMPORTANT ISSUE I GO IN WHERE
NEEDS ME.
THEY ARE TALKING ON TUESDAY
ABOUT WHAT THE AIRMEN DAYS.
I CAN READ AGAIN.
AND I CAN WORK THE SIZE ON WHAT
WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH IT.
YOU GET A LOT OF STUFF DONE.
>> OVERTIME.
>> I DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> DANGEROUS THING TO SAY.
ALL RIGHT.
THANKS.
>> LET'S DO THAT LET'S TAKE
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