WELCOME BACK OUR GUEST THIS WEEK

IS REPUBLICAN CHAIR OF THE HOUSE

JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

REPRESENTATIVE GRAHAM FILLER,

OUR LEAD STORY THE GOVERNOR HAS

A 5.6 BILLION DOLLAR COVID

RELIEF PACKAGE IS IT D O A IN

THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE ON

THE OTR PANNING JONATHAN

OOSTING, CHUCK SHOWERS AND ZOE

CLARK.

SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE

INSIDE OUT OFF THE RECORD.

PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS

MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE

FOLLOWING, BUSINESS LEADERS FOR

MICHIGAN HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO

MAKE MICHIGAN A TOP TEN STATE IN

THE NATION FOR JOBS, PERSONAL

INCOME AND A HEALTHY ECONOMY

LEARN MORE AT MICHIGAN ROAD TO

TOP TEN.COM.

AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE

RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WELCOME

BACK TO THIS ZOOM EDITION OF OFF

THE RECORD.

LET'S SAY GOOD MORNING TO OUR

PANEL ARE THE THREE OF YOU THERE

MAGICALLY THERE THEY ARE CHUCK

AND JONATHAN AND ZOE AND DO YOU

LIKE THE SNAP THERE AND NICE TO

HAVE YOU ON BOARD AND WHAT THE

GOVERNOR SAYS WE NEED MORE

VACCINES AND WE NEED SOME

REPUBLICAN VOTES FOR MY RELIEF

PACKAGE.

>> LEGISLATIVE REPUBLICANS HAVE

BEEN GRIPING FOR MONTHS ABOUT

ALL THE EMPTY BOOTHS AND

RESTAURANTS AND BARS IN THE

STATE AND BLAME THE GOVERNOR FOR

CLOSING INDOOR DRINKING AND

DINING SHE SAYS HOWEVER SHE IS

DOING IT TO ATTACK THE SPREAD OF

THE COVID VIRUS BUT WITH

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL

COVID AID FLOWING IN TO STATE

COFFERS THE REPUBLICANS SAY A

CHANCE TO GET THEIR WAY.

THEY ARE USING THAT MONEY AS A

WAY TO FORCE THE GOVERNOR TO

REOPEN BUSINESSES NOW.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM ALBERT WHO

CHAIRS THE HOUSE BUDGET

COMMITTEE SAYS HE AND THE SENATE

BUDGE IT CHAIR SENATOR STA MARK

AS WILL SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT

WHERE TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

AND THEY WILL LEAVE THE GOVERNOR

OUT OF THE PROCESS UNLESS SHE

REOPENS BUSINESSES NOW.

>> THE LEGISLATURE HAS THE POWER

OF THE PURSE.

I'M NOT GOING TO HAND THAT OVER

TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

I'M GOING TO WORK WITH MY

COUNTERPART SENATOR STAMOS IN

THE SENATE AND LOOK AT WAYS OF

MAKING SURE THIS MONEY GETS OUT

THERE.

>> THE GOVERNOR WHO DOES WANT A

VOICE IN HOW TO SPEND THOSE

COVID DOLLARS WARNED THE

REPUBLICANS NOT TO HOLD THE

COVID MONEY HOSTAGE.

>> WELL, I AM SURPRISED IN THAT.

I THINK IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE

THAT THE LEGISLATURE THAT THERE

ARE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE

WHO WANT TO RESORT TO THREATS TO

OPEN UP RESTAURANTS.

IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.

AND IT'S REALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.

>> THE RUP LAWMAKER COUNTER THE

MONEY WILL BE SPENT AND NOT HELD

HOSTAGE WITH OR WITHOUT THE

GOVERNOR'S INPUT.

HE SAYS THAT IS UP TO HER.

>> IF SHE SAYS I'M NOT GOING TO

REOPEN ON YOUR SCHEDULE BY MY

SCHEDULE YOU WON'T TALK TO HER

ON SPENDING FAIR STATEMENT.

>> LET'S HOPE IT DOES NOT COME

TO THAT TIM.

>> WELL IS THAT A FAIR

STATEMENT?

>> TIM I'M GOING TO STICK TO MY

GUNS ON THIS AND STICK TO MY

STATEMENT SHE STARTS REOPENING

WE WILL START TALKING.

>> AND IF SHE DOESN'T YOU WON'T?

>> HOPEFULLY SHE GETS THE

MESSAGE.

>> THE UNANSWERED QUESTION IS

WHO IS GOING TO BLINK FIRST IN

THIS POLITICAL GAME OF CHICKEN

OVER THE AID THAT SO MANY FOLKS

IN MICHIGAN NEED.

JONATHAN THE QUESTION IS HOW

SERIOUS IS THE REPUBLICAN

STATEMENT FROM THE CHAIRPERSON

THERE TO NOT TALK TO HER ABOUT

SPENDING 5.6 BILLION DOLLARS

THAT IS HUGE IF IT DOESN'T

HAPPEN, RIGHT?

>> WELL LOOK SPENDING OTHER

PEOPLE'S MONEY, FEDERAL DOLLARS

HAS BEEN ONE OF THE AREAS THAT

THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND

REPUBLICAN LED LEGISLATURE HAVE

ACTUALLY GOTTEN ALONG ON.

YOU KNOW THEY HAVE COME TO

AGREEMENTS OVER THE PAST YEAR ON

SEVERAL LARGE FEDERAL STIMULUS

SPENDING PACKAGES.

A LOT OF THIS MONEY IS JUST YOU

KNOW PASS THROUGH MONEY.

IT'S APPROVING DOLLARS SENT BY

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I DON'T THINK IN THE END THAT

THERE IS GOING TO BE A GREAT

CONTROVERSY OVER SPENDING THAT

YOU KNOW SOME DETAILS TO BE

NEGOTIATED BUT CERTAINLY THEY

ARE STARTING OUT ON A DIFFERENT

FOOT HERE IN THE NEW LEGISLATIVE

SESSION.

AS I SAID THOSE LAST

NEGOTIATIONS, THE LAST SPENDING

PACKAGES HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED

AND THE GOVERNOR PUT OUT HER OWN

PLAN WITHOUT WELL WITHOUT

NEGOTIATING ANY WAY OR EVEN

TALKING TO SOME OF THE BUDGET

OFFICIALS ABOUT WHAT THAT PLAN

WAS GOING TO BE BEFORE IT

HAPPENED.

AND THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF

HARD FEELINGS A LOT OF HURT

FEELINGS, A LOT OF RESENTMENT

WITHIN THE G O P CAUCUS AND

PLAYING HARD BALL ON A NUMBER OF

FRONTS.

CHAIR ALBERT HAS ALREADY

SOFTENED HIS STANCE AND

INITIALLY SAID WE ARE NOT GOING

TO TALK TO THE GOVERNOR ABOUT

SPENDING FEDERAL MONEY AT ALL

NOW HE SAYS THE LEGISLATURE WILL

FIGURE OUT ITS OWN PLAN TO SPEND

THAT MONEY SO THAT MONEY WILL

GET SPENT IT'S JUST A MAY MATTER

OF WORKING OUT THE DETAILS AND

YEAH THEY WILL HAVE TO SIT DOWN

AT SOME POINT AND TALK IT OUT.

>> TIM, I WOULD AGREE WITH

JONATHAN THIS IS GOING TO BE A

BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT OF

TUG OF WAR DEALING WITH POLICY,

DEALING WITH POWER, LEGISLATURE

REALIZES THEY HAVE THE POWER,

THE POWER OF THE PURSE BUT THEY

ALSO HAVE THE NUMBERS BOTH ON

THE SENATE SIDE AND ON THE HOUSE

SIDE.

SO THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET

WHAT THEY CAN, EXTRACT WHAT YOU

CAN OUT OF THIS.

AND TO REPRESENT THEIR MAIN CORE

CONSTITUENCY AND CHAMBER OF

COMMERCE SAY THE BUSINESSES ARE

HURTING REALLY BAD AND WANT TO

GET BACK TO MAKING A LIVING SO

THEY WILL USE WHAT THATKY WITH

THE GOVERNOR BUT HAVE TO BE VERY

CAREFUL WITH THIS BECAUSE WE ARE

HITTING RECORD NUMBER OF COVID

CASES A RECORD NUMBER OF PEOPLE

DYING FROM COVID AND MONEY IS

NOW STARTING TO COME IN FROM

WASHINGTON.

I GUARANTY YOU THAT THERE WILL

BE MORE MONEY PROBABLY COMING IN

NOW THAT THE BIDEN

ADMINISTRATION IS IN AND YOU

HAVE THE GOVERNOR HERE, YOU HAVE

SEVERAL DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS

ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, HOPING THAT

THIS NEW DEMOCRATIC

ADMINISTRATION EVEN THOUGH THE

BIDEN SAYS I'LL BE

REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THE

PEOPLE, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO

OPEN UP THE PURSES.

THEY ARE MAKING COVID-19 THEIR

ABSOLUTE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, JONATHAN

IS RIGHT.

THIS HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH.

THE LEGISLATURE HAS NOT BEEN

HAPPY WITH THIS GOVERNOR AND HER

POLICIES.

AND THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THEY

HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED AND AT

THE TABLE NEGOTIATING THESE

THINGS UP FRONT.

>> AND I THINK THE ONE THING

THOUGH TO KEEP IN MIND RIGHT IS

THIS IDEA OF WANTING BUSINESSES,

MANY OF WHICH ARE OPEN BUT WITH

ISSUES OF CAPACITY AND OF COURSE

THE ABILITY FOR HHS TO RESHUT

THEM DOWN.

BUT ONE OF THE NOTES THAT A LOT

OF REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TALKING

ABOUT IS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT

SMALL BUSINESS IS RESTAURANTS

AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN ALL

LIKELIHOOD LATER TODAY WE ARE

GOING TO HEAR FROM THE GOVERNOR

WHO IT'S BELIEVED WILL CONTINUE

WITH THIS IDEA THAT RESTAURANTS

WILL BE ABLE TO BE OPEN TO SOME

CERTAIN EXTENT WITH RESTRICTIONS

BEGINNING FEBRUARY 1.

SO YOU SORT OF HAVE TO LOOK LIKE

WELL WHAT ARE YOU STAKING THOSE

NEGOTIATIONS ON?

AND LET'S SAY THE END OF

FEBRUARY OR EVEN MARCH HOPEFULLY

IT WON'T YOU KNOW COME TO THAT.

AND THAT MONEY WILL START

GETTING INTO FOLKS' POCKETBOOKS

FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

BUT THE HOPE I THINK IS WITH

MORE VACCINATIONS, AS THE

WEATHER STARTS TO WARM UP, I

KNOW I'M BEING AN OPTIMIST HERE,

THAT THINGS DO START TO LOOK

BETTER.

SO WHAT DO THOSE NEGOTIATIONS

THEN LOOK LIKE IF THOSE THINGS

ALREADY HAVE BEEN OPENED AND WE

ARE SEEING MOVEMENT TOWARDS

GETTING BACK TO NORMAL WHATEVER

THAT NEW NORMAL LOOKS LIKE?

>> YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THE

TRADITION IS AT THE BEGINNING OF

A NEW LEGISLATIVE YEAR NOT

EVERYBODY IS SINGING KUM-BY-YA

BUT THERE USUALLY IS A STATEMENT

THAT LET'S ALL WORK TOGETHER.

I DID NOT HEAR ANY OF THAT SINCE

THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN BACK.

SHE CAN MAYBE CORRECT THAT IN

HER STATE OF THE STATE MESSAGE

NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT BUT IT DID

NOT START OUT ON A PLANE WHERE

WE ARE EQUAL.

YOU ARE RIGHT SHE INTRODUCED 5.6

MILLION DOLLAR PACK ONLY OUT OF

NO WHERE.

I ASSUME THE TWO CHAIRS THE

SENATE AND THE HOUSE BUDGET

COMMITTEE WERE NOT CONSULTED.

UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES IF

YOU ARE REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE

YOU GIVE THOSE PEOPLE A HEADS

UP, HEY, THIS IS COMING, I LOOK

FORWARD TO WALKING DOWN THE ROAD

WITH YOU TOGETHER.

DID ANYBODY HEAR ANY OF THAT?

LET'S JOIN HANDS AND GET THIS

PROBLEM DONE TOGETHER, DID

ANYBODY HERE THAT?

JONATHAN, DID YOU?

>> NO.

I MEAN THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF

TALK ABOUT THE NATIONAL LEVEL OF

COURSE OF TRYING TO UNIFY AFTER

A VERY CONTENTIOUS PRESIDENTIAL

ELECTION.

BUT HERE IN THE STATE, YEAH, WE

HAVEN'T HEARD AS MUCH OF THAT

YET.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE

BEGINNING THIS NEW TERM PRETTY

MUCH WHERE THEY LEFT OFF.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NEW SPEAKER

OF THE HOUSE JAESEAN WENTWORTH

BUT HE IS YOU KNOW NOT -- YOU

KNOW I MEAN HE HAS TALKED ABOUT

RESTORING PUBLIC TRUST IN

GOVERNMENT BY DOING SOME GOOD

GOVERNMENT REFORMS BUT HAS NOT

EXPLICITLY TALKED ABOUT HOW HE

WANTS TO WORK WITH GOVERNOR

WHITMER MOVING FORWARD AND VICE

VERSA.

I ASKED GOVERNOR WHITMER AT THE

END OF THE YEAR WHAT HER

RELATIONSHIP WAS WITH HIM AND

MIKE SHIRKEY WELL THEY ARE THE

LEGISLATURE I HAVE TO WORK WITH

THEM, WHATEVER.

SHE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE

LOT OF YOU KNOW FEEL GOOD

COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE

RELATIONSHIPS EITHER.

>> BY THE SAME TOKEN THE

QUADRANT MET A COUPLE TIMES AND

WITH EXCEPTION OF MR. SHIRKEY

MAYBE THEY ARE MELDING AND

COMING TOGETHER BUT WANT TO TALK

ABOUT THE DEMONSTRATION AT THE

CAPITOL LAST SUNDAY AND WE HAD

THE ENTIRE MICHIGAN NATIONAL

GUARD OUT THERE AND THE STATE

POLICE AND WHAT HAPPENED?

>> NOT MUCH.

THANKFULLY.

I KNOW JONATHAN WAS ON THE

GROUND.

I HAD A SPACE ACTUALLY ABOUT IN

A BUILDING THAT OVER LOOKED THE

CAPITOL.

EIGHT FLOOR FLOORS UP SO I

COULD SEE THE TEAM AND HAD THREE

REPORTERS ON THE GROUND AND

THOSE THREE REPORTERS PLUS

JONATHAN AND MANY OTHER

REPORTERS AND THE NATIONAL GUARD

FAR OUT NUMBERED THE NUMBER OF

PROTESTERS.

THERE WERE A CONTINGENT OF WHITE

SUPREMACISTS WHO WERE THERE,

FOLKS WHO LIKE TO CALL

THEMSELVES THE BUGALOO BOYS WHO

WERE CARRYING GUNS AND ARMED AND

GAVE A STATEMENT.

BUT THANKFULLY AS I SAID LUCKILY

NOT MUCH.

I BELIEVE ONE HAD SAID MICHIGAN

RADIO RAN WAS DULL AND THANK

GOODNESS IT WAS AND I HAD TO

TAKE BACK BULLETPROOF VESTS TO

MY OFFICE AND I THINK IT'S A

PRETTY SAD INDICATION OF WHERE

WE ARE AS A COUNTRY WHEN IT

BECOMES THE NORM TO THROW THREE

OR FOUR BULLET PROOF VESTS IN

YOUR CAR AND DROP THEM OFF AND I

WAS GLAD TO DO IT.

>> DO YOU THINK THE WORST IS

OVER OR THE WORST IS YET TO COME

OR OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW?

>> OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW AND

AS JO SAID YOU HEARD ON A

NATIONAL FRONT THE MESSAGE OF

UNITY.

YOU KNOW I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS

DUG IN TO THE LINE THAT WE HAVE

SEEN AN UNCIVIL WAR.

LOOK, I THINK NO MATTER IF YOU

ARE AN AMERICAN WHATEVER SIDE

YOU FEEL AND YOU FEEL THE

TEMPERATURE AND THE HEAT YOU

OFTEN HEAR GOVERNOR WHITMER SAY

THAT SHE HAS ASKED HER

REPUBLICAN COUNTERPARTS TO BRING

DOWN THE HEAT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU HEARD JOE

BIDEN DO THE SAME.

LOOK, WE SAW SOMETHING WE HAD

NEVER SEEN IN THIS COUNTRY IN A

CENTURY AND MORE.

ON JANUARY 6TH.

INCLUDING SOME MICHIGANDERS THAT

I HOPE WE TALK ABOUT AS WELL ON

THIS PROGRAM.

WHO WERE THERE.

AND SO I CERTAINLY AM NOT GOING

TO PREDICT THE FUTURE BUT IT

DOES FEEL MAYBE IN THE LAST 48

HOURS THAT AT LEAST SOME

CITIZENS FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE

COULD BRING THE TEMPERATURE DOWN

A LITTLE BIT.

>> CHUCK LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT A

MAJOR NEWS STORE THE -- STORY

BY FORMER MAYOR OF DETROIT AND

APPARENTLY OUT OF THE SLAM.

>> HE IS AND GOT THE SENTENCE

COMMUTED.

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE

FOR 28 YEARS.

HE SERVED 7 OF THOSE YEARS.

THE CATCH IS THAT HE DIDN'T GET

AN ABSOLUTE FULL PARDON BECAUSE

HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY BACK

MANY OF THE CHARGES AGAINST HIM

IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL CHARGES.

AND THAT DID NOT GET COMMUTED.

BUT I'M SURE HE IS RELIEVED TO

BE OUT.

TO BE ABLE TO SEE HIS FAMILY

MEMBERS AGAIN.

WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO NEXT NO

ONE KNOWS.

IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT WHILE

HE WAS IN THE PRISON THAT HE

STUDIED THE MINISTRY.

THAT HE COUNSELLED A LOT OF

PEOPLE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC

SPEAKING.

SO AND WE ALL KNOW THAT HE

CERTAINLY WAS PROFICIENT AT HOW

HE PRESENTED HIMSELF WHEN HE GOT

IN FRONT OF A PODIUM.

SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT

I'M SURE HE LOST WHILE HE WAS

BEHIND BARS.

MAYBE HE WILL OPEN UP SOME TYPE

OF CHURCH OR MINISTRY OF SOME

TYPE.

WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

HE CANNOT RUN FOR ANY KIND OF

REELECTION STATEWIDE HERE IN

MICHIGAN UNTIL 2030.

BUT THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE HIM

FROM SEEKING A FEDERAL OFFICE.

HE COULD RUN FOR CONGRESS,

WHETHER IT'S FROM, YOU KNOW,

SOME OTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY

OR EVEN FROM THIS PARTICULAR

REGION.

WE DON'T KNOW IF POLITICS IS

EVEN IN HIS SCOPE.

WE DO ALL REMEMBER WHEN HE WENT

OFF TO PRISON HE SAID I'LL BE

BACK.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW IN WHAT FORM

HE WILL BE BACK.

>> QUICKLY CHUCK WHAT IS THE

TEMPERATURE IN DETROIT ON THIS

ANNOUNCEMENT?

>> I THINK IF YOU TALK TO MOST

DETROITERS THEY WILL SAY THAT

THE SENTENCE WAS TOO HARSH OR

FOR THE CRIME, THAT IT WAS TOO

LONG OF A PERIOD OF TIME TO BE

ABLE TO SERVE.

EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF DETROITERS

ARE STILL UNSETTLED BY THE TACT

THAT HE NEVER PRESENTED ANY TYPE

OF PUBLIC APOLOGY FOR THE

TAXPAYER MONEY THAT WAS MISS

SPENT AND MISS APPROPRIATED SO

THAT STILL BOTHERS PEOPLE.

I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME

PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF

DETROIT WHO FEEL LIKE, DO YOU

KNOW WHAT, HE SHOULD STILL BE

BEHIND BARS.

BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE PROBABLY

FEEL A LITTLE BETTER THAT EVEN

IF HE IS OUT THAT HE STILL HAS

TO REPAY A LOT OF FINANCIAL

HARDSHIP THAT WAS IMPENDED UPON

HIM SO WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND

SEE.

IF YOU TALK TO THE VAST MAJORITY

OF DETROITERS THEY ARE GLAD HE

IS NOT IN THERE FOR A FULL 28

YEARS, THAT HOPEFULLY HE HAS

LEARNED HIS LESSON.

AND THAT PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES

AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HE DOES

WITH THE REST OF HIS LIFE.

>> ALL RIGHT BEFORE WE CALL IN

OUR GUEST A PERSONAL MESSAGE TO

THE FORMER MAYOR I KNOW YOU

WATCH OFF THE RECORD CALL ME TO

GIVE ME THAT FIRST INTERVIEW

WHEN YOU DECIDE TO TALK TO THE

MEDIA, FAIR ENOUGH?

TWO CHANCES OF THAT SLIM AND

NONE.

LET'S CALL IN REPRESENTATIVE

GRAHAM FILLER OUT IN DEWITT AND

CONGRATULATIONS FOR GETTING YOUR

JOB BACK AT JUDICIARY CHAIR.

>> SKUBICK YOU OLD WAR HORSE I

MISSED YOUR MICROPHONE AMBUSHS.

I FEEL LIKE COVID RUINS

EVERYTHING.

YES, I'M THRILLED TO BE BACK AS

JUDICIARY CHAIR AND FELT WE

TURNED IT INTO A ROCK STAR

COMMITTEE IN 2019-2020 GOOD FOR

MICHIGAN AND A FAIR GOVERNMENT

SO THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD

AND THE HERE IS THE FIRST

QUESTION FROM JONATHAN.

>> REPRESENTATIVE I AM GOING TO

PUT YOU ON THE SPOT RIGHT AWAY

DO YOU BELIEVE THE PRESIDENTIAL

ELECTION WAS STOLEN?

AND HOW DO YOU GOVERN MOVING

FORWARD WHEN A LARGE NUMBER OF

PEOPLE IN THIS STATE PROBABLY

YOUR DISTRICT IN THIS COUNTRY DO

BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT NOW

FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID IN

HIS LAST MONTHS IN OFFICE?

>> NO.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS

STOLEN OR RIGGED.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS FRAUD.

AND FRAUD TO AN EXTENT THAT

WOULD SOMEHOW OVERTURN

MICHIGAN'S ELECTORATES AND FEEL

THERE IS REMARKABLE DAMAGE DONE

BY THE PRESIDENT POST ELECTION

IN CLAIMING TO MANY PEOPLE WHO

BELIEVED HIM THAT IT WAS RIGGED

SO I DO THINK WE NEED A RESET.

YOU CAN VOTE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL

ON POLICY.

ON DIRECTION OF A COUNTRY.

BUT AFTER AN ELECTION IS OVER,

SOME OF THOSE CLAIMS TURNED OUT

TO BE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS SORT

OF CULMINATING IN THE STORMING

AND RIOTS OF THE CAPITOL SO I DO

THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A RESET

AND A PIVOT AND THE REPUBLICAN

PARTY GO BACK TO TALK ABOUT

GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITY,

PRUDENT COMMON SENSE REFORMS.

AND BRING BACK SOME OF THOSE

VOTERS WHO WENT BIDEN AND THEN

FILLER BECAUSE THEY JUST DIDN'T

LIKE DONALD TRUMP PERSONALLY.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE VOTERS WHO

STILL BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS

RIGGED?

HOW DO YOU REACH THEM?

>> I MEAN, I JUST SPEAK TRUTH TO

POWER ALL THE TIME.

WHICH IS SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S

OVER IT'S OVER.

AND WE HAVE TO MOVE ON TO PUT IN

A GOOD CONSERVATIVE VISION OUT

THERE.

AND I MEAN ONE OF THESE GREAT

THINGS THAT REPUBLICAN PARTY DID

IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS

REALLY STRONG OUTREACH TO BLUE

COLLAR AND WORKING CLASS

FAMILIES.

AND I WANT TO CONTINUE THAT AND

WANT THEM WORKING AND WORKING AT

HIGH WAGES.

FOCUS ON THE SKILLED TRADES.

YOU KNOW LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT

ACTUAL THINGS THAT MOVE THEIR

LIVES IN A GOOD DIRECTION

INSTEAD OF SORT OF CONSPIRACY

THEORIES AT A NATIONAL LEVEL.

>> CHUCK.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FILLER, YOU

HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON A LOT

OF JUSTICE REFORMS HERE IN THE

STATE.

HOW SURPRISED WERE YOU BY SOME

OF THOSE GOVERNOR WHITMER'S

VETOES ESPECIALLY THE POCKET

VETO AS IT RELATED TO THE DUI

EXPUNGEMENT?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO JUSTICE REFORMS HAVE BEEN ONE

OF THOSE GREAT FIELDS WHICH KIND

OF CUTS THROUGH THE PARTISAN BS

OUT THERE.

AND TO SEE A VETO OF A BILL THAT

PASSED 96-8 OUT OF THE HOUSE AND

32-5 OUT OF THE SENATE, A VETO

COMING TOWARDS A BILL THAT FIT

PERFECTLY IN AN EXPUNGEMENT

PACKAGE THAT THE GOVERNOR SIGNED

JUST TWO MONTHS BEFORE WAS

SHOCKING.

THE LACK OF INVOLVEMENT FROM THE

GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WAS EVEN MORE

GALLING AND DID NOT SPEAK

NEGATIVELY AT ALL IN THE HOUSE

OR SENATE, NONE OF THE

DEPARTMENTS DID.

THERE WAS NO INDICATION THAT

SOMETHING WOULD GET VETOED SO

THEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS

GOING TO BRING A LOT OF RELIEF

TO A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS, MOVE

PEOPLE FORWARD IN THEIR LIVES.

ALL THE SAME THINGS THAT THE

GOVERNOR SPOKE ABOUT IN HER

PRESS CONFERENCE THAT JUST GETS

POCKET VETOED FOR NO REASON.

I THINK IT DOES SPEAK TO THE

FACT THIS IS A VERY POLITICAL

GOVERNOR.

PROBABLY THE MOST POLITICAL

GOVERNOR I DON'T KNOW SINCE THE

CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.

AND IF SHE FEELS THAT SHE IS

WINNING AND WINNING MEANS

WINNING ON A JOB APPROVAL LEVEL,

50.01% OF THE VOTE IN 2022, THEN

SHE DOESN'T FEEL ACCOUNTABLE TO

THE LEGISLATURE AND HOW MANY

PEOPLE YOU KNOW PAY ATTENTION TO

POCKET VETOES BESIDES THE

LANSING INSIDERS?

SO I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED BY

THAT.

WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING THAT

BILL BACK AND HAVE BIPARTISAN

SUPPORT AGAIN.

>> QUICK FOLLOW-UP.

THE BILL HAS SUPPORT FROM

ATTORNEY GENERAL DANA NESSEL.

IT ALSO HAS SUPPORT FROM SUPREME

COURT CHIEF JUSTICE BRIDGETT

MCCORMICK.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNOR

GAVE IN TO PRESSURE FROM MOTHERS

AGAINST DRUNK DRIVERS?

YOU KNOW I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT

THEY DID.

A COUPLE REASONS WERE SORT OF

FLOATED YOU KNOW.

NEGOTIATIONS WERE NOT HAD IS

SOMETHING THEY SAID ABOUT SOME

BILLS IN LAME DUCK.

THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE DOESN'T

REALLY NEGOTIATE ON POLICY.

THEY DON'T REALLY GET INVOLVED.

I MEAN, IT'S -- I'VE SORT OF

BEGGED AND PLEADED JUST TELL ME

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A

MODIFICATION ON A BILL IN

JUDICIARY IF YOU HAVE SOME

ISSUES LET ME KNOW.

I'M A VERY ACTIVE TRANSPARENT

CHAIR LET ME KNOW.

AND I KNOW THE AG SUPPORTED THIS

BECAUSE I ROPE AN OP ED IN THE

DETROIT FREE PRESS WITH HER

BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRNESS ISSUE

AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED

HERE.

BUT I GUESS AND THEY DIDN'T GIVE

A REASON.

THEY JUST SORT OF GIVE BROAD

STROKES WHICH I VIEW AS SORT OF

UNACCOUNTABLE GOVERNMENT LACKING

TRANSPARENCY SO I DO PUSH BACK

AGAINST THEM.

>> ZOE.

>> THANK YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE, LET'S GET BACK

TO THIS SESSION.

YOU WERE MEANT TO BE AT THE

CAPITOL THIS WEEK AND YOU WERE

NOT.

BECAUSE THE CAPITOL SESSION FOR

BOTH YOUR CHAMBER, THE STATE

HOUSE AND THE SENATE, WAS

CANCELLED BASICALLY.

I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING

WITH YOUR STAFF OVER AT YOUR

PLACE GETTING WORK DONE.

WHAT DOES THAT SAY THOUGH ABOUT

WHERE WE ARE AS A COUNTRY WHEN

STATE REPS AND SENATORS CANNOT

WORK OUT OF THE CAPITOL DUE TO

THREATS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT?

I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT WANTING

TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE HAVE

HEARD DEMOCRATS SAY THE SAME,

HOW DO WE ACTUALLY DO THAT AND

WHAT CAN YOU DO THAT TO DO THAT

AMONGST YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE

STATE HOUSE?

>> SO THE FIRST THING I'LL SAY

IS YOU KNOW, ASKING THE STATE

LEGISLATURE OR THE GOVERNOR,

ANYBODY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

FOR, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE THREATS

OR FOR THE CRAZIES FOR THE

EXTREMES ON BOTH SIDES IS

SOMETHING WE JUST CAN'T DO.

HOWEVER, IN THIS.

>> YEAH BUT IF YOU HAVE

COLLEAGUES.

>> POST ELECTION I WOULD SAY

THAT SOME OF THE RHETORIC COMING

FROM THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE WAS

ABSOLUTELY UNHELPFUL TO THE

WHOLE PROCESS.

AND SO I DO PUSH BACK AGAINST

THAT RHETORIC THAT WAS OUT

THERE.

I IMAGINE A MUCH DIFFERENT

SITUATION IF POST ELECTION THE

PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD

SAID HEY I GAVE IT MY ALL.

YOU KNOW IT'S VERY CLOSE.

WE ARE GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO

THE ELECTION BUT YOU KNOW I

WELCOME A PRESIDENT BIDEN IF HE

IS SHOWN TO BE THE WINNER WHEN

VOTES ARE COUNTED.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT IMPACTS

THE BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE.

SO.

>> YEAH.

>> SO, YEAH.

>> ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT

MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN CAUCUS?

I THINK YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING

ABOUT, I'M TALKING AND MATT

MADICK AND HIS WIFE MISHON WHO

IS LIKELY GOING TO BE SORT OF

DEPUTY THE COCHAIR OF THE

MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN PARTY HERE

IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS TIME.

DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT

THAT SORT OF FACET OF YOUR PARTY

WHO DO BELIEVE AND DO CONTINUE

TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE

ELECTION WAS STOLEN, THE SO

CALLED STOP THIS DEAL, DO YOU

HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR PARTY

WITH THEM AS PART OF IT?

>> KIND OF A BROAD QUESTION

BECAUSE EVERY PARTY HAS

INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF I MEAN

PEOPLE HARD LEFT OR HARD RIGHT

MODERATE WHATEVER SO I DON'T

THINK YOU KNOW TRASHING ONE

ELEMENT OF A PARTY IS REALLY

HELPFUL ELEMENT.

THEY GOT A LOT OF PRESS AND

PUBLICITY FOR GOING TO D.C. AND

AGAIN I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR

PROTESTING YOU KNOW OKAY, AN

AMERICAN THING, FREEDOM OF

SPEECH, RIOTING, TRYING TO TAKE

OVER THE U.S. CAPITOL COMPLETELY

WRONG.

AND IF THEY HAD DONE THAT I

THINK THAT'S YOU KNOW THAT

OBVIOUSLY SHOWS CRIMINAL INTENT.

AND SO YOU MOVE ON FROM THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG TENT,

IT'S A BIG PARTY.

SO I WON'T GO AFTER SPECIFIC

INDIVIDUALS IN THE PARTY.

BUT I WILL SPEAK BROADLY AGAINST

THAT RHETORIC THAT CAME FROM THE

PRESIDENT AFTER THE ELECTION.

I FOUND THAT VERY DAMAGING.

>> MR. FILLER, DO YOU THINK THE

U.S. SENATE SHOULD CONVICT HIM?

>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT DOES

NOW.

FOR THE COUNTRY.

AND SO YOU KNOW BRING UP THE

PROOF AND GO FROM THERE.

BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT ACTUALLY

ADDS ANYTHING POSITIVE TO WHERE

THIS COUNTRY IS GOING RIGHT NOW.

>> SO YOU WOULD NOT SUPPORT

CONVICTING THE FORMER PRESIDENT?

>> NO, I WOULD NOT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

AND DID YOU EVER GO TO A TRUMP

RALLY?

WERE YOU THERE WITH HIM?

AND SUPPORTED HIM IN A PHYSICAL

WAY?

>> I'VE ACTUALLY NOT BEEN TO A

TRUMP RALLY.

>> ON PURPOSE TO SENT A MESSAGE?

>> NO.

I WOULD ATTEND RALLIES FOR A

REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WHEN MIKE

PENCE CAME IN TO -- FLEW INTO

LANSING I GREETED HIM THERE.

BUT I DID NOT ATTEND ONE.

>> BUT LET ME JUST -- I'M TRYING

TO GET INSIDE YOUR HEAD HERE

BECAUSE YOU SAID SOME VERY

CRITICAL THINGS ABOUT MR. TRUMP

HERE TODAY AND I KNOW YOU WON'T

TELL ME IF YOU VOTED FOR HIM OR

NOT BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T WANT

HIM TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN,

FAIR STATEMENT?

>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO ONE OF THE ISSUES IS NO

MATTER HOW GOOD WE WERE IN

MICHIGAN OR EVEN AT THE FEDERAL

LEVEL WHEN THEY WERE GETTING

THINGS DONE LIKE WORKING WITH

FARMERS AND REWRITING THE U.S.

TRADE AGREEMENT FOR AG, DOING

GOOD THINGS ON TAX CUTS, I THINK

THERE WAS A 2017 TAX PLAN I

SUPPORTED.

WE COULDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT

THOSE THINGS.

AND EVEN THE TRUMP DONALD TRUMP

HIMSELF WOULD NOT SPEAK ABOUT

THOSE THINGS BECAUSE HE SEEMED

CAUGHT UP IN SORT OF PERSONAL

VENDETTAS AND A LOT OF TWEETING

SO I FEEL WHEN ALL THE GOOD

THINGS YOU DID AS A PRESIDENT OR

EVEN HERE IN MICHIGAN WHEN WE

WERE DOING GOOD THINGS WE

COULDN'T EVEN GET PUBLICITY ON I

BECAUSE HE JUST TOOK UP SO MUCH

AIR IN THE ROOM.

AND I REALLY WANT TO MOVE ON

FROM THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT WE ARE GOING TO DO

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