1 00:00:00,333 --> 00:00:01,733 ♪ 2 00:00:01,733 --> 00:00:03,500 WELCOME BACK OUR GUEST THIS WEEK 3 00:00:03,500 --> 00:00:05,733 IS REPUBLICAN CHAIR OF THE HOUSE 4 00:00:05,733 --> 00:00:06,733 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE 5 00:00:06,733 --> 00:00:07,933 REPRESENTATIVE GRAHAM FILLER, 6 00:00:07,933 --> 00:00:09,600 OUR LEAD STORY THE GOVERNOR HAS 7 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,600 A 5.6 BILLION DOLLAR COVID 8 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,500 RELIEF PACKAGE IS IT D O A IN 9 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:17,366 THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE ON 10 00:00:17,366 --> 00:00:22,166 THE OTR PANNING JONATHAN 11 00:00:22,166 --> 00:00:23,900 OOSTING, CHUCK SHOWERS AND ZOE 12 00:00:23,900 --> 00:00:24,866 CLARK. 13 00:00:24,866 --> 00:00:25,533 SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE 14 00:00:25,533 --> 00:00:26,133 INSIDE OUT OFF THE RECORD. 15 00:00:26,133 --> 00:00:26,833 PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 16 00:00:26,833 --> 00:00:27,500 MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE 17 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:28,200 FOLLOWING, BUSINESS LEADERS FOR 18 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:28,900 MICHIGAN HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO 19 00:00:28,900 --> 00:00:29,600 MAKE MICHIGAN A TOP TEN STATE IN 20 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,266 THE NATION FOR JOBS, PERSONAL 21 00:00:30,266 --> 00:00:30,933 INCOME AND A HEALTHY ECONOMY 22 00:00:30,933 --> 00:00:31,633 LEARN MORE AT MICHIGAN ROAD TO 23 00:00:31,633 --> 00:00:32,000 TOP TEN.COM. 24 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,700 AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE 25 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:33,266 RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK. 26 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:33,500 ♪ 27 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:47,866 ♪ 28 00:00:47,866 --> 00:00:49,100 THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WELCOME 29 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:50,933 BACK TO THIS ZOOM EDITION OF OFF 30 00:00:50,933 --> 00:00:51,300 THE RECORD. 31 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:53,600 LET'S SAY GOOD MORNING TO OUR 32 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,133 PANEL ARE THE THREE OF YOU THERE 33 00:00:56,133 --> 00:00:57,933 MAGICALLY THERE THEY ARE CHUCK 34 00:00:57,933 --> 00:01:02,733 AND JONATHAN AND ZOE AND DO YOU 35 00:01:02,733 --> 00:01:04,300 LIKE THE SNAP THERE AND NICE TO 36 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:06,466 HAVE YOU ON BOARD AND WHAT THE 37 00:01:06,466 --> 00:01:08,133 GOVERNOR SAYS WE NEED MORE 38 00:01:08,133 --> 00:01:09,133 VACCINES AND WE NEED SOME 39 00:01:09,133 --> 00:01:11,266 REPUBLICAN VOTES FOR MY RELIEF 40 00:01:11,266 --> 00:01:13,800 PACKAGE. 41 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:14,500 >> LEGISLATIVE REPUBLICANS HAVE 42 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:16,300 BEEN GRIPING FOR MONTHS ABOUT 43 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:18,500 ALL THE EMPTY BOOTHS AND 44 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:20,600 RESTAURANTS AND BARS IN THE 45 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,800 STATE AND BLAME THE GOVERNOR FOR 46 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,600 CLOSING INDOOR DRINKING AND 47 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,133 DINING SHE SAYS HOWEVER SHE IS 48 00:01:26,133 --> 00:01:27,966 DOING IT TO ATTACK THE SPREAD OF 49 00:01:27,966 --> 00:01:29,500 THE COVID VIRUS BUT WITH 50 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:31,100 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL 51 00:01:31,100 --> 00:01:33,633 COVID AID FLOWING IN TO STATE 52 00:01:33,633 --> 00:01:34,800 COFFERS THE REPUBLICANS SAY A 53 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:35,866 CHANCE TO GET THEIR WAY. 54 00:01:35,866 --> 00:01:37,033 THEY ARE USING THAT MONEY AS A 55 00:01:37,033 --> 00:01:38,533 WAY TO FORCE THE GOVERNOR TO 56 00:01:38,533 --> 00:01:40,000 REOPEN BUSINESSES NOW. 57 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,566 REPRESENTATIVE TOM ALBERT WHO 58 00:01:41,566 --> 00:01:43,000 CHAIRS THE HOUSE BUDGET 59 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,266 COMMITTEE SAYS HE AND THE SENATE 60 00:01:44,266 --> 00:01:46,466 BUDGE IT CHAIR SENATOR STA MARK 61 00:01:46,466 --> 00:01:48,400 AS WILL SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT 62 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,600 WHERE TO SPEND THAT MONEY. 63 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,033 AND THEY WILL LEAVE THE GOVERNOR 64 00:01:51,033 --> 00:01:54,000 OUT OF THE PROCESS UNLESS SHE 65 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,233 REOPENS BUSINESSES NOW. 66 00:01:55,233 --> 00:01:56,533 >> THE LEGISLATURE HAS THE POWER 67 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:57,466 OF THE PURSE. 68 00:01:57,466 --> 00:01:59,100 I'M NOT GOING TO HAND THAT OVER 69 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:00,466 TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. 70 00:02:00,466 --> 00:02:01,800 I'M GOING TO WORK WITH MY 71 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,766 COUNTERPART SENATOR STAMOS IN 72 00:02:03,766 --> 00:02:05,233 THE SENATE AND LOOK AT WAYS OF 73 00:02:05,233 --> 00:02:06,600 MAKING SURE THIS MONEY GETS OUT 74 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:06,933 THERE. 75 00:02:06,933 --> 00:02:08,266 >> THE GOVERNOR WHO DOES WANT A 76 00:02:08,266 --> 00:02:09,766 VOICE IN HOW TO SPEND THOSE 77 00:02:09,766 --> 00:02:11,200 COVID DOLLARS WARNED THE 78 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,466 REPUBLICANS NOT TO HOLD THE 79 00:02:12,466 --> 00:02:13,866 COVID MONEY HOSTAGE. 80 00:02:13,866 --> 00:02:16,066 >> WELL, I AM SURPRISED IN THAT. 81 00:02:16,066 --> 00:02:17,500 I THINK IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE 82 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:20,100 THAT THE LEGISLATURE THAT THERE 83 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:21,400 ARE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE 84 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,333 WHO WANT TO RESORT TO THREATS TO 85 00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:25,866 OPEN UP RESTAURANTS. 86 00:02:25,866 --> 00:02:27,300 IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS. 87 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:30,300 AND IT'S REALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. 88 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:32,900 >> THE RUP LAWMAKER COUNTER THE 89 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:34,666 MONEY WILL BE SPENT AND NOT HELD 90 00:02:34,666 --> 00:02:36,100 HOSTAGE WITH OR WITHOUT THE 91 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:37,333 GOVERNOR'S INPUT. 92 00:02:37,333 --> 00:02:38,800 HE SAYS THAT IS UP TO HER. 93 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,433 >> IF SHE SAYS I'M NOT GOING TO 94 00:02:42,433 --> 00:02:45,700 REOPEN ON YOUR SCHEDULE BY MY 95 00:02:45,700 --> 00:02:47,600 SCHEDULE YOU WON'T TALK TO HER 96 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,533 ON SPENDING FAIR STATEMENT. 97 00:02:49,533 --> 00:02:50,766 >> LET'S HOPE IT DOES NOT COME 98 00:02:50,766 --> 00:02:51,633 TO THAT TIM. 99 00:02:51,633 --> 00:02:52,633 >> WELL IS THAT A FAIR 100 00:02:52,633 --> 00:02:53,966 STATEMENT? 101 00:02:53,966 --> 00:02:55,533 >> TIM I'M GOING TO STICK TO MY 102 00:02:55,533 --> 00:02:57,533 GUNS ON THIS AND STICK TO MY 103 00:02:57,533 --> 00:02:59,033 STATEMENT SHE STARTS REOPENING 104 00:02:59,033 --> 00:03:00,133 WE WILL START TALKING. 105 00:03:00,133 --> 00:03:04,866 >> AND IF SHE DOESN'T YOU WON'T? 106 00:03:04,866 --> 00:03:05,900 >> HOPEFULLY SHE GETS THE 107 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:06,400 MESSAGE. 108 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,566 >> THE UNANSWERED QUESTION IS 109 00:03:07,566 --> 00:03:09,333 WHO IS GOING TO BLINK FIRST IN 110 00:03:09,333 --> 00:03:10,366 THIS POLITICAL GAME OF CHICKEN 111 00:03:10,366 --> 00:03:11,866 OVER THE AID THAT SO MANY FOLKS 112 00:03:11,866 --> 00:03:15,433 IN MICHIGAN NEED. 113 00:03:15,433 --> 00:03:17,100 JONATHAN THE QUESTION IS HOW 114 00:03:17,100 --> 00:03:18,300 SERIOUS IS THE REPUBLICAN 115 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:19,466 STATEMENT FROM THE CHAIRPERSON 116 00:03:19,466 --> 00:03:21,566 THERE TO NOT TALK TO HER ABOUT 117 00:03:21,566 --> 00:03:23,700 SPENDING 5.6 BILLION DOLLARS 118 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:24,733 THAT IS HUGE IF IT DOESN'T 119 00:03:24,733 --> 00:03:26,966 HAPPEN, RIGHT? 120 00:03:26,966 --> 00:03:28,500 >> WELL LOOK SPENDING OTHER 121 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:30,600 PEOPLE'S MONEY, FEDERAL DOLLARS 122 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,366 HAS BEEN ONE OF THE AREAS THAT 123 00:03:32,366 --> 00:03:33,666 THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND 124 00:03:33,666 --> 00:03:35,933 REPUBLICAN LED LEGISLATURE HAVE 125 00:03:35,933 --> 00:03:37,600 ACTUALLY GOTTEN ALONG ON. 126 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,533 YOU KNOW THEY HAVE COME TO 127 00:03:39,533 --> 00:03:41,200 AGREEMENTS OVER THE PAST YEAR ON 128 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,633 SEVERAL LARGE FEDERAL STIMULUS 129 00:03:43,633 --> 00:03:44,633 SPENDING PACKAGES. 130 00:03:44,633 --> 00:03:47,633 A LOT OF THIS MONEY IS JUST YOU 131 00:03:47,633 --> 00:03:48,700 KNOW PASS THROUGH MONEY. 132 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:51,833 IT'S APPROVING DOLLARS SENT BY 133 00:03:51,833 --> 00:03:52,633 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 134 00:03:52,633 --> 00:03:54,600 I DON'T THINK IN THE END THAT 135 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,033 THERE IS GOING TO BE A GREAT 136 00:03:57,033 --> 00:03:59,066 CONTROVERSY OVER SPENDING THAT 137 00:03:59,066 --> 00:04:00,533 YOU KNOW SOME DETAILS TO BE 138 00:04:00,533 --> 00:04:02,033 NEGOTIATED BUT CERTAINLY THEY 139 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:02,966 ARE STARTING OUT ON A DIFFERENT 140 00:04:02,966 --> 00:04:04,933 FOOT HERE IN THE NEW LEGISLATIVE 141 00:04:04,933 --> 00:04:05,433 SESSION. 142 00:04:05,433 --> 00:04:07,266 AS I SAID THOSE LAST 143 00:04:07,266 --> 00:04:11,900 NEGOTIATIONS, THE LAST SPENDING 144 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:12,933 PACKAGES HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED 145 00:04:12,933 --> 00:04:14,566 AND THE GOVERNOR PUT OUT HER OWN 146 00:04:14,566 --> 00:04:16,400 PLAN WITHOUT WELL WITHOUT 147 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,266 NEGOTIATING ANY WAY OR EVEN 148 00:04:18,266 --> 00:04:19,466 TALKING TO SOME OF THE BUDGET 149 00:04:19,466 --> 00:04:20,400 OFFICIALS ABOUT WHAT THAT PLAN 150 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,366 WAS GOING TO BE BEFORE IT 151 00:04:22,366 --> 00:04:22,866 HAPPENED. 152 00:04:22,866 --> 00:04:24,433 AND THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF 153 00:04:24,433 --> 00:04:26,500 HARD FEELINGS A LOT OF HURT 154 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:28,233 FEELINGS, A LOT OF RESENTMENT 155 00:04:28,233 --> 00:04:29,833 WITHIN THE G O P CAUCUS AND 156 00:04:29,833 --> 00:04:32,100 PLAYING HARD BALL ON A NUMBER OF 157 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:32,566 FRONTS. 158 00:04:32,566 --> 00:04:35,566 CHAIR ALBERT HAS ALREADY 159 00:04:35,566 --> 00:04:36,600 SOFTENED HIS STANCE AND 160 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:37,733 INITIALLY SAID WE ARE NOT GOING 161 00:04:37,733 --> 00:04:39,300 TO TALK TO THE GOVERNOR ABOUT 162 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:40,866 SPENDING FEDERAL MONEY AT ALL 163 00:04:40,866 --> 00:04:42,666 NOW HE SAYS THE LEGISLATURE WILL 164 00:04:42,666 --> 00:04:44,266 FIGURE OUT ITS OWN PLAN TO SPEND 165 00:04:44,266 --> 00:04:45,400 THAT MONEY SO THAT MONEY WILL 166 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,566 GET SPENT IT'S JUST A MAY MATTER 167 00:04:47,566 --> 00:04:49,700 OF WORKING OUT THE DETAILS AND 168 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:50,733 YEAH THEY WILL HAVE TO SIT DOWN 169 00:04:50,733 --> 00:04:53,566 AT SOME POINT AND TALK IT OUT. 170 00:04:53,566 --> 00:04:57,166 >> TIM, I WOULD AGREE WITH 171 00:04:57,166 --> 00:04:58,700 JONATHAN THIS IS GOING TO BE A 172 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:00,066 BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT OF 173 00:05:00,066 --> 00:05:02,500 TUG OF WAR DEALING WITH POLICY, 174 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:05,333 DEALING WITH POWER, LEGISLATURE 175 00:05:05,333 --> 00:05:06,233 REALIZES THEY HAVE THE POWER, 176 00:05:06,233 --> 00:05:07,366 THE POWER OF THE PURSE BUT THEY 177 00:05:07,366 --> 00:05:08,800 ALSO HAVE THE NUMBERS BOTH ON 178 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,166 THE SENATE SIDE AND ON THE HOUSE 179 00:05:10,166 --> 00:05:11,000 SIDE. 180 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,566 SO THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET 181 00:05:12,566 --> 00:05:14,733 WHAT THEY CAN, EXTRACT WHAT YOU 182 00:05:14,733 --> 00:05:15,833 CAN OUT OF THIS. 183 00:05:15,833 --> 00:05:22,066 AND TO REPRESENT THEIR MAIN CORE 184 00:05:22,066 --> 00:05:28,866 CONSTITUENCY AND CHAMBER OF 185 00:05:28,866 --> 00:05:30,000 COMMERCE SAY THE BUSINESSES ARE 186 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,133 HURTING REALLY BAD AND WANT TO 187 00:05:31,133 --> 00:05:33,500 GET BACK TO MAKING A LIVING SO 188 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:35,600 THEY WILL USE WHAT THATKY WITH 189 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,700 THE GOVERNOR BUT HAVE TO BE VERY 190 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:39,100 CAREFUL WITH THIS BECAUSE WE ARE 191 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:40,566 HITTING RECORD NUMBER OF COVID 192 00:05:40,566 --> 00:05:42,900 CASES A RECORD NUMBER OF PEOPLE 193 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:44,566 DYING FROM COVID AND MONEY IS 194 00:05:44,566 --> 00:05:45,933 NOW STARTING TO COME IN FROM 195 00:05:45,933 --> 00:05:46,333 WASHINGTON. 196 00:05:46,333 --> 00:05:47,433 I GUARANTY YOU THAT THERE WILL 197 00:05:47,433 --> 00:05:49,800 BE MORE MONEY PROBABLY COMING IN 198 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,366 NOW THAT THE BIDEN 199 00:05:51,366 --> 00:05:53,966 ADMINISTRATION IS IN AND YOU 200 00:05:53,966 --> 00:05:55,533 HAVE THE GOVERNOR HERE, YOU HAVE 201 00:05:55,533 --> 00:05:57,133 SEVERAL DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS 202 00:05:57,133 --> 00:05:59,433 ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, HOPING THAT 203 00:05:59,433 --> 00:06:01,700 THIS NEW DEMOCRATIC 204 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:03,433 ADMINISTRATION EVEN THOUGH THE 205 00:06:03,433 --> 00:06:06,066 BIDEN SAYS I'LL BE 206 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:06,833 REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THE 207 00:06:06,833 --> 00:06:08,633 PEOPLE, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO 208 00:06:08,633 --> 00:06:09,733 OPEN UP THE PURSES. 209 00:06:09,733 --> 00:06:11,800 THEY ARE MAKING COVID-19 THEIR 210 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,966 ABSOLUTE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 211 00:06:13,966 --> 00:06:15,733 BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, JONATHAN 212 00:06:15,733 --> 00:06:16,500 IS RIGHT. 213 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:18,800 THIS HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH. 214 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,600 THE LEGISLATURE HAS NOT BEEN 215 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,333 HAPPY WITH THIS GOVERNOR AND HER 216 00:06:22,333 --> 00:06:22,700 POLICIES. 217 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:24,200 AND THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THEY 218 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,966 HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED AND AT 219 00:06:25,966 --> 00:06:27,666 THE TABLE NEGOTIATING THESE 220 00:06:27,666 --> 00:06:29,833 THINGS UP FRONT. 221 00:06:29,833 --> 00:06:31,166 >> AND I THINK THE ONE THING 222 00:06:31,166 --> 00:06:32,500 THOUGH TO KEEP IN MIND RIGHT IS 223 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:35,700 THIS IDEA OF WANTING BUSINESSES, 224 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:37,900 MANY OF WHICH ARE OPEN BUT WITH 225 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:39,966 ISSUES OF CAPACITY AND OF COURSE 226 00:06:39,966 --> 00:06:45,100 THE ABILITY FOR HHS TO RESHUT 227 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:45,733 THEM DOWN. 228 00:06:45,733 --> 00:06:47,466 BUT ONE OF THE NOTES THAT A LOT 229 00:06:47,466 --> 00:06:48,800 OF REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TALKING 230 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,133 ABOUT IS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT 231 00:06:50,133 --> 00:06:52,366 SMALL BUSINESS IS RESTAURANTS 232 00:06:52,366 --> 00:06:54,333 AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN ALL 233 00:06:54,333 --> 00:06:56,300 LIKELIHOOD LATER TODAY WE ARE 234 00:06:56,300 --> 00:06:57,600 GOING TO HEAR FROM THE GOVERNOR 235 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,966 WHO IT'S BELIEVED WILL CONTINUE 236 00:06:59,966 --> 00:07:01,800 WITH THIS IDEA THAT RESTAURANTS 237 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,766 WILL BE ABLE TO BE OPEN TO SOME 238 00:07:03,766 --> 00:07:05,666 CERTAIN EXTENT WITH RESTRICTIONS 239 00:07:05,666 --> 00:07:06,700 BEGINNING FEBRUARY 1. 240 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:08,300 SO YOU SORT OF HAVE TO LOOK LIKE 241 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:10,466 WELL WHAT ARE YOU STAKING THOSE 242 00:07:10,466 --> 00:07:12,000 NEGOTIATIONS ON? 243 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,433 AND LET'S SAY THE END OF 244 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:16,066 FEBRUARY OR EVEN MARCH HOPEFULLY 245 00:07:16,066 --> 00:07:17,600 IT WON'T YOU KNOW COME TO THAT. 246 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:18,733 AND THAT MONEY WILL START 247 00:07:18,733 --> 00:07:20,966 GETTING INTO FOLKS' POCKETBOOKS 248 00:07:20,966 --> 00:07:22,833 FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 249 00:07:22,833 --> 00:07:24,266 BUT THE HOPE I THINK IS WITH 250 00:07:24,266 --> 00:07:26,200 MORE VACCINATIONS, AS THE 251 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,833 WEATHER STARTS TO WARM UP, I 252 00:07:27,833 --> 00:07:29,800 KNOW I'M BEING AN OPTIMIST HERE, 253 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,400 THAT THINGS DO START TO LOOK 254 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:31,700 BETTER. 255 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:33,400 SO WHAT DO THOSE NEGOTIATIONS 256 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,200 THEN LOOK LIKE IF THOSE THINGS 257 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,366 ALREADY HAVE BEEN OPENED AND WE 258 00:07:37,366 --> 00:07:38,600 ARE SEEING MOVEMENT TOWARDS 259 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,166 GETTING BACK TO NORMAL WHATEVER 260 00:07:41,166 --> 00:07:43,366 THAT NEW NORMAL LOOKS LIKE? 261 00:07:43,366 --> 00:07:45,000 >> YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THE 262 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,900 TRADITION IS AT THE BEGINNING OF 263 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,700 A NEW LEGISLATIVE YEAR NOT 264 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:52,266 EVERYBODY IS SINGING KUM-BY-YA 265 00:07:52,266 --> 00:07:53,500 BUT THERE USUALLY IS A STATEMENT 266 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:54,866 THAT LET'S ALL WORK TOGETHER. 267 00:07:54,866 --> 00:07:56,933 I DID NOT HEAR ANY OF THAT SINCE 268 00:07:56,933 --> 00:07:59,100 THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN BACK. 269 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:00,300 SHE CAN MAYBE CORRECT THAT IN 270 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:02,266 HER STATE OF THE STATE MESSAGE 271 00:08:02,266 --> 00:08:03,500 NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT BUT IT DID 272 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:06,133 NOT START OUT ON A PLANE WHERE 273 00:08:06,133 --> 00:08:07,133 WE ARE EQUAL. 274 00:08:07,133 --> 00:08:09,800 YOU ARE RIGHT SHE INTRODUCED 5.6 275 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,433 MILLION DOLLAR PACK ONLY OUT OF 276 00:08:11,433 --> 00:08:11,766 NO WHERE. 277 00:08:11,766 --> 00:08:13,200 I ASSUME THE TWO CHAIRS THE 278 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,600 SENATE AND THE HOUSE BUDGET 279 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,066 COMMITTEE WERE NOT CONSULTED. 280 00:08:16,066 --> 00:08:17,633 UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES IF 281 00:08:17,633 --> 00:08:18,333 YOU ARE REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE 282 00:08:18,333 --> 00:08:19,533 YOU GIVE THOSE PEOPLE A HEADS 283 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:21,600 UP, HEY, THIS IS COMING, I LOOK 284 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,066 FORWARD TO WALKING DOWN THE ROAD 285 00:08:23,066 --> 00:08:24,633 WITH YOU TOGETHER. 286 00:08:24,633 --> 00:08:26,500 DID ANYBODY HEAR ANY OF THAT? 287 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:27,966 LET'S JOIN HANDS AND GET THIS 288 00:08:27,966 --> 00:08:29,400 PROBLEM DONE TOGETHER, DID 289 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,666 ANYBODY HERE THAT? 290 00:08:30,666 --> 00:08:32,000 JONATHAN, DID YOU? 291 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:32,366 >> NO. 292 00:08:32,366 --> 00:08:33,533 I MEAN THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF 293 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:35,233 TALK ABOUT THE NATIONAL LEVEL OF 294 00:08:35,233 --> 00:08:36,566 COURSE OF TRYING TO UNIFY AFTER 295 00:08:36,566 --> 00:08:38,866 A VERY CONTENTIOUS PRESIDENTIAL 296 00:08:38,866 --> 00:08:39,433 ELECTION. 297 00:08:39,433 --> 00:08:41,533 BUT HERE IN THE STATE, YEAH, WE 298 00:08:41,533 --> 00:08:42,833 HAVEN'T HEARD AS MUCH OF THAT 299 00:08:42,833 --> 00:08:43,300 YET. 300 00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:45,666 IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE 301 00:08:45,666 --> 00:08:46,700 BEGINNING THIS NEW TERM PRETTY 302 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:48,433 MUCH WHERE THEY LEFT OFF. 303 00:08:48,433 --> 00:08:49,600 OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NEW SPEAKER 304 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,900 OF THE HOUSE JAESEAN WENTWORTH 305 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:55,233 BUT HE IS YOU KNOW NOT -- YOU 306 00:08:55,233 --> 00:08:56,800 KNOW I MEAN HE HAS TALKED ABOUT 307 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,200 RESTORING PUBLIC TRUST IN 308 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,566 GOVERNMENT BY DOING SOME GOOD 309 00:09:00,566 --> 00:09:02,400 GOVERNMENT REFORMS BUT HAS NOT 310 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,433 EXPLICITLY TALKED ABOUT HOW HE 311 00:09:03,433 --> 00:09:04,666 WANTS TO WORK WITH GOVERNOR 312 00:09:04,666 --> 00:09:07,666 WHITMER MOVING FORWARD AND VICE 313 00:09:07,666 --> 00:09:07,933 VERSA. 314 00:09:07,933 --> 00:09:09,266 I ASKED GOVERNOR WHITMER AT THE 315 00:09:09,266 --> 00:09:10,633 END OF THE YEAR WHAT HER 316 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:12,833 RELATIONSHIP WAS WITH HIM AND 317 00:09:12,833 --> 00:09:15,166 MIKE SHIRKEY WELL THEY ARE THE 318 00:09:15,166 --> 00:09:16,066 LEGISLATURE I HAVE TO WORK WITH 319 00:09:16,066 --> 00:09:16,966 THEM, WHATEVER. 320 00:09:16,966 --> 00:09:18,300 SHE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE 321 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:21,133 LOT OF YOU KNOW FEEL GOOD 322 00:09:21,133 --> 00:09:21,966 COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE 323 00:09:21,966 --> 00:09:23,533 RELATIONSHIPS EITHER. 324 00:09:23,533 --> 00:09:28,566 >> BY THE SAME TOKEN THE 325 00:09:28,566 --> 00:09:31,166 QUADRANT MET A COUPLE TIMES AND 326 00:09:31,166 --> 00:09:34,633 WITH EXCEPTION OF MR. SHIRKEY 327 00:09:34,633 --> 00:09:36,466 MAYBE THEY ARE MELDING AND 328 00:09:36,466 --> 00:09:37,700 COMING TOGETHER BUT WANT TO TALK 329 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:38,833 ABOUT THE DEMONSTRATION AT THE 330 00:09:38,833 --> 00:09:40,066 CAPITOL LAST SUNDAY AND WE HAD 331 00:09:40,066 --> 00:09:41,500 THE ENTIRE MICHIGAN NATIONAL 332 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:42,866 GUARD OUT THERE AND THE STATE 333 00:09:42,866 --> 00:09:45,033 POLICE AND WHAT HAPPENED? 334 00:09:45,033 --> 00:09:46,666 >> NOT MUCH. 335 00:09:46,666 --> 00:09:47,233 THANKFULLY. 336 00:09:47,233 --> 00:09:49,233 I KNOW JONATHAN WAS ON THE 337 00:09:49,233 --> 00:09:49,733 GROUND. 338 00:09:49,733 --> 00:09:52,266 I HAD A SPACE ACTUALLY ABOUT IN 339 00:09:52,266 --> 00:09:53,866 A BUILDING THAT OVER LOOKED THE 340 00:09:53,866 --> 00:09:55,166 CAPITOL. 341 00:09:55,166 --> 00:09:59,666 EIGHT FLOOR FLOORS UP SO I 342 00:09:59,666 --> 00:10:01,266 COULD SEE THE TEAM AND HAD THREE 343 00:10:01,266 --> 00:10:02,066 REPORTERS ON THE GROUND AND 344 00:10:02,066 --> 00:10:03,700 THOSE THREE REPORTERS PLUS 345 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:04,933 JONATHAN AND MANY OTHER 346 00:10:04,933 --> 00:10:06,200 REPORTERS AND THE NATIONAL GUARD 347 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,100 FAR OUT NUMBERED THE NUMBER OF 348 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:09,000 PROTESTERS. 349 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,033 THERE WERE A CONTINGENT OF WHITE 350 00:10:12,033 --> 00:10:13,766 SUPREMACISTS WHO WERE THERE, 351 00:10:13,766 --> 00:10:15,000 FOLKS WHO LIKE TO CALL 352 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,100 THEMSELVES THE BUGALOO BOYS WHO 353 00:10:18,100 --> 00:10:21,800 WERE CARRYING GUNS AND ARMED AND 354 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,700 GAVE A STATEMENT. 355 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:26,800 BUT THANKFULLY AS I SAID LUCKILY 356 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:27,733 NOT MUCH. 357 00:10:27,733 --> 00:10:30,633 I BELIEVE ONE HAD SAID MICHIGAN 358 00:10:30,633 --> 00:10:33,200 RADIO RAN WAS DULL AND THANK 359 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,966 GOODNESS IT WAS AND I HAD TO 360 00:10:34,966 --> 00:10:38,466 TAKE BACK BULLETPROOF VESTS TO 361 00:10:38,466 --> 00:10:39,633 MY OFFICE AND I THINK IT'S A 362 00:10:39,633 --> 00:10:41,166 PRETTY SAD INDICATION OF WHERE 363 00:10:41,166 --> 00:10:43,733 WE ARE AS A COUNTRY WHEN IT 364 00:10:43,733 --> 00:10:46,300 BECOMES THE NORM TO THROW THREE 365 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:48,966 OR FOUR BULLET PROOF VESTS IN 366 00:10:48,966 --> 00:10:50,933 YOUR CAR AND DROP THEM OFF AND I 367 00:10:50,933 --> 00:10:51,833 WAS GLAD TO DO IT. 368 00:10:51,833 --> 00:10:53,266 >> DO YOU THINK THE WORST IS 369 00:10:53,266 --> 00:10:55,200 OVER OR THE WORST IS YET TO COME 370 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,733 OR OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW? 371 00:10:57,733 --> 00:10:58,566 >> OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW AND 372 00:10:58,566 --> 00:11:00,633 AS JO SAID YOU HEARD ON A 373 00:11:00,633 --> 00:11:02,200 NATIONAL FRONT THE MESSAGE OF 374 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,066 UNITY. 375 00:11:03,066 --> 00:11:05,500 YOU KNOW I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS 376 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:08,100 DUG IN TO THE LINE THAT WE HAVE 377 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:09,800 SEEN AN UNCIVIL WAR. 378 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,300 LOOK, I THINK NO MATTER IF YOU 379 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:13,833 ARE AN AMERICAN WHATEVER SIDE 380 00:11:13,833 --> 00:11:15,933 YOU FEEL AND YOU FEEL THE 381 00:11:15,933 --> 00:11:17,066 TEMPERATURE AND THE HEAT YOU 382 00:11:17,066 --> 00:11:19,566 OFTEN HEAR GOVERNOR WHITMER SAY 383 00:11:19,566 --> 00:11:20,966 THAT SHE HAS ASKED HER 384 00:11:20,966 --> 00:11:22,400 REPUBLICAN COUNTERPARTS TO BRING 385 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,333 DOWN THE HEAT. 386 00:11:24,333 --> 00:11:26,533 YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU HEARD JOE 387 00:11:26,533 --> 00:11:28,533 BIDEN DO THE SAME. 388 00:11:28,533 --> 00:11:30,100 LOOK, WE SAW SOMETHING WE HAD 389 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:33,633 NEVER SEEN IN THIS COUNTRY IN A 390 00:11:33,633 --> 00:11:35,933 CENTURY AND MORE. 391 00:11:35,933 --> 00:11:37,700 ON JANUARY 6TH. 392 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:39,433 INCLUDING SOME MICHIGANDERS THAT 393 00:11:39,433 --> 00:11:41,800 I HOPE WE TALK ABOUT AS WELL ON 394 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:42,400 THIS PROGRAM. 395 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,166 WHO WERE THERE. 396 00:11:43,166 --> 00:11:46,000 AND SO I CERTAINLY AM NOT GOING 397 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,500 TO PREDICT THE FUTURE BUT IT 398 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:50,533 DOES FEEL MAYBE IN THE LAST 48 399 00:11:50,533 --> 00:11:52,566 HOURS THAT AT LEAST SOME 400 00:11:52,566 --> 00:11:53,666 CITIZENS FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE 401 00:11:53,666 --> 00:11:54,800 COULD BRING THE TEMPERATURE DOWN 402 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,466 A LITTLE BIT. 403 00:11:56,466 --> 00:11:57,933 >> CHUCK LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT A 404 00:11:57,933 --> 00:12:01,800 MAJOR NEWS STORE THE -- STORY 405 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,233 BY FORMER MAYOR OF DETROIT AND 406 00:12:05,233 --> 00:12:06,233 APPARENTLY OUT OF THE SLAM. 407 00:12:06,233 --> 00:12:07,833 >> HE IS AND GOT THE SENTENCE 408 00:12:07,833 --> 00:12:08,233 COMMUTED. 409 00:12:08,233 --> 00:12:09,733 HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE 410 00:12:09,733 --> 00:12:10,633 FOR 28 YEARS. 411 00:12:10,633 --> 00:12:12,900 HE SERVED 7 OF THOSE YEARS. 412 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:14,833 THE CATCH IS THAT HE DIDN'T GET 413 00:12:14,833 --> 00:12:17,666 AN ABSOLUTE FULL PARDON BECAUSE 414 00:12:17,666 --> 00:12:19,900 HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY BACK 415 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:22,466 MANY OF THE CHARGES AGAINST HIM 416 00:12:22,466 --> 00:12:24,500 IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL CHARGES. 417 00:12:24,500 --> 00:12:27,966 AND THAT DID NOT GET COMMUTED. 418 00:12:27,966 --> 00:12:29,400 BUT I'M SURE HE IS RELIEVED TO 419 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,233 BE OUT. 420 00:12:30,233 --> 00:12:32,533 TO BE ABLE TO SEE HIS FAMILY 421 00:12:32,533 --> 00:12:34,000 MEMBERS AGAIN. 422 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,033 WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO NEXT NO 423 00:12:36,033 --> 00:12:37,333 ONE KNOWS. 424 00:12:37,333 --> 00:12:38,933 IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT WHILE 425 00:12:38,933 --> 00:12:41,600 HE WAS IN THE PRISON THAT HE 426 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,466 STUDIED THE MINISTRY. 427 00:12:43,466 --> 00:12:45,700 THAT HE COUNSELLED A LOT OF 428 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:47,200 PEOPLE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC 429 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:47,666 SPEAKING. 430 00:12:47,666 --> 00:12:49,733 SO AND WE ALL KNOW THAT HE 431 00:12:49,733 --> 00:12:51,733 CERTAINLY WAS PROFICIENT AT HOW 432 00:12:51,733 --> 00:12:53,766 HE PRESENTED HIMSELF WHEN HE GOT 433 00:12:53,766 --> 00:12:55,166 IN FRONT OF A PODIUM. 434 00:12:55,166 --> 00:12:56,533 SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT 435 00:12:56,533 --> 00:12:58,133 I'M SURE HE LOST WHILE HE WAS 436 00:12:58,133 --> 00:12:59,566 BEHIND BARS. 437 00:12:59,566 --> 00:13:01,900 MAYBE HE WILL OPEN UP SOME TYPE 438 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:04,200 OF CHURCH OR MINISTRY OF SOME 439 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:04,600 TYPE. 440 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,633 WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. 441 00:13:05,633 --> 00:13:08,100 HE CANNOT RUN FOR ANY KIND OF 442 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:10,266 REELECTION STATEWIDE HERE IN 443 00:13:10,266 --> 00:13:12,500 MICHIGAN UNTIL 2030. 444 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:15,233 BUT THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE HIM 445 00:13:15,233 --> 00:13:16,900 FROM SEEKING A FEDERAL OFFICE. 446 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:18,900 HE COULD RUN FOR CONGRESS, 447 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:20,766 WHETHER IT'S FROM, YOU KNOW, 448 00:13:20,766 --> 00:13:21,966 SOME OTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY 449 00:13:21,966 --> 00:13:24,833 OR EVEN FROM THIS PARTICULAR 450 00:13:24,833 --> 00:13:25,433 REGION. 451 00:13:25,433 --> 00:13:27,600 WE DON'T KNOW IF POLITICS IS 452 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,000 EVEN IN HIS SCOPE. 453 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,600 WE DO ALL REMEMBER WHEN HE WENT 454 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,166 OFF TO PRISON HE SAID I'LL BE 455 00:13:33,166 --> 00:13:33,666 BACK. 456 00:13:33,666 --> 00:13:35,333 BUT WE DON'T KNOW IN WHAT FORM 457 00:13:35,333 --> 00:13:36,866 HE WILL BE BACK. 458 00:13:36,866 --> 00:13:37,800 >> QUICKLY CHUCK WHAT IS THE 459 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,700 TEMPERATURE IN DETROIT ON THIS 460 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:41,333 ANNOUNCEMENT? 461 00:13:41,333 --> 00:13:43,533 >> I THINK IF YOU TALK TO MOST 462 00:13:43,533 --> 00:13:45,466 DETROITERS THEY WILL SAY THAT 463 00:13:45,466 --> 00:13:49,266 THE SENTENCE WAS TOO HARSH OR 464 00:13:49,266 --> 00:13:51,566 FOR THE CRIME, THAT IT WAS TOO 465 00:13:51,566 --> 00:13:53,433 LONG OF A PERIOD OF TIME TO BE 466 00:13:53,433 --> 00:13:54,633 ABLE TO SERVE. 467 00:13:54,633 --> 00:13:56,333 EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF DETROITERS 468 00:13:56,333 --> 00:13:59,933 ARE STILL UNSETTLED BY THE TACT 469 00:13:59,933 --> 00:14:02,666 THAT HE NEVER PRESENTED ANY TYPE 470 00:14:02,666 --> 00:14:05,200 OF PUBLIC APOLOGY FOR THE 471 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,566 TAXPAYER MONEY THAT WAS MISS 472 00:14:06,566 --> 00:14:09,133 SPENT AND MISS APPROPRIATED SO 473 00:14:09,133 --> 00:14:10,733 THAT STILL BOTHERS PEOPLE. 474 00:14:10,733 --> 00:14:12,333 I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME 475 00:14:12,333 --> 00:14:14,400 PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF 476 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,433 DETROIT WHO FEEL LIKE, DO YOU 477 00:14:16,433 --> 00:14:19,366 KNOW WHAT, HE SHOULD STILL BE 478 00:14:19,366 --> 00:14:20,266 BEHIND BARS. 479 00:14:20,266 --> 00:14:22,566 BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE PROBABLY 480 00:14:22,566 --> 00:14:24,800 FEEL A LITTLE BETTER THAT EVEN 481 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,733 IF HE IS OUT THAT HE STILL HAS 482 00:14:26,733 --> 00:14:29,933 TO REPAY A LOT OF FINANCIAL 483 00:14:29,933 --> 00:14:34,066 HARDSHIP THAT WAS IMPENDED UPON 484 00:14:34,066 --> 00:14:36,466 HIM SO WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND 485 00:14:36,466 --> 00:14:36,800 SEE. 486 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,033 IF YOU TALK TO THE VAST MAJORITY 487 00:14:38,033 --> 00:14:39,533 OF DETROITERS THEY ARE GLAD HE 488 00:14:39,533 --> 00:14:40,966 IS NOT IN THERE FOR A FULL 28 489 00:14:40,966 --> 00:14:43,533 YEARS, THAT HOPEFULLY HE HAS 490 00:14:43,533 --> 00:14:44,700 LEARNED HIS LESSON. 491 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:46,200 AND THAT PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES 492 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,500 AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HE DOES 493 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:49,600 WITH THE REST OF HIS LIFE. 494 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:50,533 >> ALL RIGHT BEFORE WE CALL IN 495 00:14:50,533 --> 00:14:52,400 OUR GUEST A PERSONAL MESSAGE TO 496 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:53,633 THE FORMER MAYOR I KNOW YOU 497 00:14:53,633 --> 00:14:55,300 WATCH OFF THE RECORD CALL ME TO 498 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:56,766 GIVE ME THAT FIRST INTERVIEW 499 00:14:56,766 --> 00:14:58,366 WHEN YOU DECIDE TO TALK TO THE 500 00:14:58,366 --> 00:14:59,400 MEDIA, FAIR ENOUGH? 501 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,000 TWO CHANCES OF THAT SLIM AND 502 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:01,400 NONE. 503 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,200 LET'S CALL IN REPRESENTATIVE 504 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:09,366 GRAHAM FILLER OUT IN DEWITT AND 505 00:15:09,366 --> 00:15:10,566 CONGRATULATIONS FOR GETTING YOUR 506 00:15:10,566 --> 00:15:12,866 JOB BACK AT JUDICIARY CHAIR. 507 00:15:12,866 --> 00:15:14,800 >> SKUBICK YOU OLD WAR HORSE I 508 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,666 MISSED YOUR MICROPHONE AMBUSHS. 509 00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:18,366 I FEEL LIKE COVID RUINS 510 00:15:18,366 --> 00:15:19,566 EVERYTHING. 511 00:15:19,566 --> 00:15:22,300 YES, I'M THRILLED TO BE BACK AS 512 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:25,266 JUDICIARY CHAIR AND FELT WE 513 00:15:25,266 --> 00:15:27,100 TURNED IT INTO A ROCK STAR 514 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:31,400 COMMITTEE IN 2019-2020 GOOD FOR 515 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,100 MICHIGAN AND A FAIR GOVERNMENT 516 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:34,566 SO THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 517 00:15:34,566 --> 00:15:35,533 >> GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD 518 00:15:35,533 --> 00:15:38,100 AND THE HERE IS THE FIRST 519 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:39,366 QUESTION FROM JONATHAN. 520 00:15:39,366 --> 00:15:40,766 >> REPRESENTATIVE I AM GOING TO 521 00:15:40,766 --> 00:15:42,066 PUT YOU ON THE SPOT RIGHT AWAY 522 00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:43,733 DO YOU BELIEVE THE PRESIDENTIAL 523 00:15:43,733 --> 00:15:45,800 ELECTION WAS STOLEN? 524 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,533 AND HOW DO YOU GOVERN MOVING 525 00:15:48,533 --> 00:15:50,533 FORWARD WHEN A LARGE NUMBER OF 526 00:15:50,533 --> 00:15:53,533 PEOPLE IN THIS STATE PROBABLY 527 00:15:53,533 --> 00:15:55,100 YOUR DISTRICT IN THIS COUNTRY DO 528 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:58,600 BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT NOW 529 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,966 FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID IN 530 00:15:59,966 --> 00:16:02,833 HIS LAST MONTHS IN OFFICE? 531 00:16:02,833 --> 00:16:03,633 >> NO. 532 00:16:03,633 --> 00:16:06,233 I DON'T BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS 533 00:16:06,233 --> 00:16:08,266 STOLEN OR RIGGED. 534 00:16:08,266 --> 00:16:12,433 I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS FRAUD. 535 00:16:12,433 --> 00:16:14,700 AND FRAUD TO AN EXTENT THAT 536 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:16,566 WOULD SOMEHOW OVERTURN 537 00:16:16,566 --> 00:16:21,100 MICHIGAN'S ELECTORATES AND FEEL 538 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:22,766 THERE IS REMARKABLE DAMAGE DONE 539 00:16:22,766 --> 00:16:24,466 BY THE PRESIDENT POST ELECTION 540 00:16:24,466 --> 00:16:26,066 IN CLAIMING TO MANY PEOPLE WHO 541 00:16:26,066 --> 00:16:27,966 BELIEVED HIM THAT IT WAS RIGGED 542 00:16:27,966 --> 00:16:31,066 SO I DO THINK WE NEED A RESET. 543 00:16:31,066 --> 00:16:32,166 YOU CAN VOTE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL 544 00:16:32,166 --> 00:16:33,866 ON POLICY. 545 00:16:33,866 --> 00:16:35,600 ON DIRECTION OF A COUNTRY. 546 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,966 BUT AFTER AN ELECTION IS OVER, 547 00:16:38,966 --> 00:16:40,633 SOME OF THOSE CLAIMS TURNED OUT 548 00:16:40,633 --> 00:16:43,233 TO BE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS SORT 549 00:16:43,233 --> 00:16:45,233 OF CULMINATING IN THE STORMING 550 00:16:45,233 --> 00:16:47,333 AND RIOTS OF THE CAPITOL SO I DO 551 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:48,600 THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A RESET 552 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,900 AND A PIVOT AND THE REPUBLICAN 553 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:52,366 PARTY GO BACK TO TALK ABOUT 554 00:16:52,366 --> 00:16:54,433 GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITY, 555 00:16:54,433 --> 00:16:57,566 PRUDENT COMMON SENSE REFORMS. 556 00:16:57,566 --> 00:16:59,833 AND BRING BACK SOME OF THOSE 557 00:16:59,833 --> 00:17:03,533 VOTERS WHO WENT BIDEN AND THEN 558 00:17:03,533 --> 00:17:05,233 FILLER BECAUSE THEY JUST DIDN'T 559 00:17:05,233 --> 00:17:09,166 LIKE DONALD TRUMP PERSONALLY. 560 00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:10,500 >> WHAT ABOUT THE VOTERS WHO 561 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:11,866 STILL BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS 562 00:17:11,866 --> 00:17:12,366 RIGGED? 563 00:17:12,366 --> 00:17:17,466 HOW DO YOU REACH THEM? 564 00:17:17,466 --> 00:17:19,266 >> I MEAN, I JUST SPEAK TRUTH TO 565 00:17:19,266 --> 00:17:20,100 POWER ALL THE TIME. 566 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:21,633 WHICH IS SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S 567 00:17:21,633 --> 00:17:22,600 OVER IT'S OVER. 568 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,533 AND WE HAVE TO MOVE ON TO PUT IN 569 00:17:25,533 --> 00:17:26,966 A GOOD CONSERVATIVE VISION OUT 570 00:17:26,966 --> 00:17:27,400 THERE. 571 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,300 AND I MEAN ONE OF THESE GREAT 572 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:30,966 THINGS THAT REPUBLICAN PARTY DID 573 00:17:30,966 --> 00:17:32,633 IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS 574 00:17:32,633 --> 00:17:35,166 REALLY STRONG OUTREACH TO BLUE 575 00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:36,733 COLLAR AND WORKING CLASS 576 00:17:36,733 --> 00:17:37,333 FAMILIES. 577 00:17:37,333 --> 00:17:41,833 AND I WANT TO CONTINUE THAT AND 578 00:17:41,833 --> 00:17:43,366 WANT THEM WORKING AND WORKING AT 579 00:17:43,366 --> 00:17:44,300 HIGH WAGES. 580 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:45,733 FOCUS ON THE SKILLED TRADES. 581 00:17:45,733 --> 00:17:47,200 YOU KNOW LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT 582 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,133 ACTUAL THINGS THAT MOVE THEIR 583 00:17:50,133 --> 00:17:51,300 LIVES IN A GOOD DIRECTION 584 00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:53,200 INSTEAD OF SORT OF CONSPIRACY 585 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,200 THEORIES AT A NATIONAL LEVEL. 586 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,500 >> CHUCK. 587 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:00,500 >> REPRESENTATIVE FILLER, YOU 588 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:03,166 HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON A LOT 589 00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:04,566 OF JUSTICE REFORMS HERE IN THE 590 00:18:04,566 --> 00:18:05,366 STATE. 591 00:18:05,366 --> 00:18:07,766 HOW SURPRISED WERE YOU BY SOME 592 00:18:07,766 --> 00:18:10,233 OF THOSE GOVERNOR WHITMER'S 593 00:18:10,233 --> 00:18:11,966 VETOES ESPECIALLY THE POCKET 594 00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:15,166 VETO AS IT RELATED TO THE DUI 595 00:18:15,166 --> 00:18:17,300 EXPUNGEMENT? 596 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:18,333 >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 597 00:18:18,333 --> 00:18:20,566 SO JUSTICE REFORMS HAVE BEEN ONE 598 00:18:20,566 --> 00:18:23,000 OF THOSE GREAT FIELDS WHICH KIND 599 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,666 OF CUTS THROUGH THE PARTISAN BS 600 00:18:26,666 --> 00:18:27,666 OUT THERE. 601 00:18:27,666 --> 00:18:31,633 AND TO SEE A VETO OF A BILL THAT 602 00:18:31,633 --> 00:18:34,400 PASSED 96-8 OUT OF THE HOUSE AND 603 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,366 32-5 OUT OF THE SENATE, A VETO 604 00:18:38,366 --> 00:18:40,533 COMING TOWARDS A BILL THAT FIT 605 00:18:40,533 --> 00:18:43,100 PERFECTLY IN AN EXPUNGEMENT 606 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:45,100 PACKAGE THAT THE GOVERNOR SIGNED 607 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:47,200 JUST TWO MONTHS BEFORE WAS 608 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,633 SHOCKING. 609 00:18:48,633 --> 00:18:50,366 THE LACK OF INVOLVEMENT FROM THE 610 00:18:50,366 --> 00:18:53,066 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WAS EVEN MORE 611 00:18:53,066 --> 00:18:56,533 GALLING AND DID NOT SPEAK 612 00:18:56,533 --> 00:18:59,466 NEGATIVELY AT ALL IN THE HOUSE 613 00:18:59,466 --> 00:19:00,666 OR SENATE, NONE OF THE 614 00:19:00,666 --> 00:19:01,133 DEPARTMENTS DID. 615 00:19:01,133 --> 00:19:02,533 THERE WAS NO INDICATION THAT 616 00:19:02,533 --> 00:19:03,900 SOMETHING WOULD GET VETOED SO 617 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:05,666 THEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS 618 00:19:05,666 --> 00:19:06,866 GOING TO BRING A LOT OF RELIEF 619 00:19:06,866 --> 00:19:08,466 TO A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS, MOVE 620 00:19:08,466 --> 00:19:10,066 PEOPLE FORWARD IN THEIR LIVES. 621 00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:11,366 ALL THE SAME THINGS THAT THE 622 00:19:11,366 --> 00:19:12,566 GOVERNOR SPOKE ABOUT IN HER 623 00:19:12,566 --> 00:19:14,133 PRESS CONFERENCE THAT JUST GETS 624 00:19:14,133 --> 00:19:16,166 POCKET VETOED FOR NO REASON. 625 00:19:16,166 --> 00:19:17,600 I THINK IT DOES SPEAK TO THE 626 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,066 FACT THIS IS A VERY POLITICAL 627 00:19:19,066 --> 00:19:19,500 GOVERNOR. 628 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:20,633 PROBABLY THE MOST POLITICAL 629 00:19:20,633 --> 00:19:22,733 GOVERNOR I DON'T KNOW SINCE THE 630 00:19:22,733 --> 00:19:24,033 CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. 631 00:19:24,033 --> 00:19:26,466 AND IF SHE FEELS THAT SHE IS 632 00:19:26,466 --> 00:19:28,066 WINNING AND WINNING MEANS 633 00:19:28,066 --> 00:19:32,866 WINNING ON A JOB APPROVAL LEVEL, 634 00:19:32,866 --> 00:19:37,066 50.01% OF THE VOTE IN 2022, THEN 635 00:19:37,066 --> 00:19:39,000 SHE DOESN'T FEEL ACCOUNTABLE TO 636 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,200 THE LEGISLATURE AND HOW MANY 637 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,833 PEOPLE YOU KNOW PAY ATTENTION TO 638 00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:43,933 POCKET VETOES BESIDES THE 639 00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:44,900 LANSING INSIDERS? 640 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:46,433 SO I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED BY 641 00:19:46,433 --> 00:19:46,833 THAT. 642 00:19:46,833 --> 00:19:48,566 WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING THAT 643 00:19:48,566 --> 00:19:50,633 BILL BACK AND HAVE BIPARTISAN 644 00:19:50,633 --> 00:19:51,900 SUPPORT AGAIN. 645 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:53,033 >> QUICK FOLLOW-UP. 646 00:19:53,033 --> 00:19:55,133 THE BILL HAS SUPPORT FROM 647 00:19:55,133 --> 00:19:56,900 ATTORNEY GENERAL DANA NESSEL. 648 00:19:56,900 --> 00:20:00,333 IT ALSO HAS SUPPORT FROM SUPREME 649 00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:02,966 COURT CHIEF JUSTICE BRIDGETT 650 00:20:02,966 --> 00:20:03,333 MCCORMICK. 651 00:20:03,333 --> 00:20:04,933 DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNOR 652 00:20:04,933 --> 00:20:09,966 GAVE IN TO PRESSURE FROM MOTHERS 653 00:20:09,966 --> 00:20:12,066 AGAINST DRUNK DRIVERS? 654 00:20:12,066 --> 00:20:13,066 YOU KNOW I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT 655 00:20:13,066 --> 00:20:13,500 THEY DID. 656 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,500 A COUPLE REASONS WERE SORT OF 657 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:16,666 FLOATED YOU KNOW. 658 00:20:16,666 --> 00:20:17,600 NEGOTIATIONS WERE NOT HAD IS 659 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,833 SOMETHING THEY SAID ABOUT SOME 660 00:20:18,833 --> 00:20:19,700 BILLS IN LAME DUCK. 661 00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:20,966 THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE DOESN'T 662 00:20:20,966 --> 00:20:22,433 REALLY NEGOTIATE ON POLICY. 663 00:20:22,433 --> 00:20:24,100 THEY DON'T REALLY GET INVOLVED. 664 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:28,133 I MEAN, IT'S -- I'VE SORT OF 665 00:20:28,133 --> 00:20:29,666 BEGGED AND PLEADED JUST TELL ME 666 00:20:29,666 --> 00:20:31,066 IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A 667 00:20:31,066 --> 00:20:32,866 MODIFICATION ON A BILL IN 668 00:20:32,866 --> 00:20:33,800 JUDICIARY IF YOU HAVE SOME 669 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,700 ISSUES LET ME KNOW. 670 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:36,433 I'M A VERY ACTIVE TRANSPARENT 671 00:20:36,433 --> 00:20:37,366 CHAIR LET ME KNOW. 672 00:20:37,366 --> 00:20:40,400 AND I KNOW THE AG SUPPORTED THIS 673 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,566 BECAUSE I ROPE AN OP ED IN THE 674 00:20:42,566 --> 00:20:43,733 DETROIT FREE PRESS WITH HER 675 00:20:43,733 --> 00:20:45,033 BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRNESS ISSUE 676 00:20:45,033 --> 00:20:47,066 AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 677 00:20:47,066 --> 00:20:48,800 SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 678 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,133 HERE. 679 00:20:49,133 --> 00:20:50,833 BUT I GUESS AND THEY DIDN'T GIVE 680 00:20:50,833 --> 00:20:51,466 A REASON. 681 00:20:51,466 --> 00:20:53,300 THEY JUST SORT OF GIVE BROAD 682 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:56,266 STROKES WHICH I VIEW AS SORT OF 683 00:20:56,266 --> 00:20:57,900 UNACCOUNTABLE GOVERNMENT LACKING 684 00:20:57,900 --> 00:20:59,633 TRANSPARENCY SO I DO PUSH BACK 685 00:20:59,633 --> 00:21:01,233 AGAINST THEM. 686 00:21:01,233 --> 00:21:02,800 >> ZOE. 687 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:03,466 >> THANK YOU. 688 00:21:03,466 --> 00:21:04,933 REPRESENTATIVE, LET'S GET BACK 689 00:21:04,933 --> 00:21:06,533 TO THIS SESSION. 690 00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:08,600 YOU WERE MEANT TO BE AT THE 691 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,466 CAPITOL THIS WEEK AND YOU WERE 692 00:21:10,466 --> 00:21:11,533 NOT. 693 00:21:11,533 --> 00:21:14,266 BECAUSE THE CAPITOL SESSION FOR 694 00:21:14,266 --> 00:21:17,266 BOTH YOUR CHAMBER, THE STATE 695 00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:20,133 HOUSE AND THE SENATE, WAS 696 00:21:20,133 --> 00:21:20,766 CANCELLED BASICALLY. 697 00:21:20,766 --> 00:21:21,733 I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING 698 00:21:21,733 --> 00:21:23,100 WITH YOUR STAFF OVER AT YOUR 699 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:25,400 PLACE GETTING WORK DONE. 700 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,066 WHAT DOES THAT SAY THOUGH ABOUT 701 00:21:27,066 --> 00:21:29,866 WHERE WE ARE AS A COUNTRY WHEN 702 00:21:29,866 --> 00:21:32,533 STATE REPS AND SENATORS CANNOT 703 00:21:32,533 --> 00:21:36,000 WORK OUT OF THE CAPITOL DUE TO 704 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,766 THREATS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT? 705 00:21:37,766 --> 00:21:39,366 I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT WANTING 706 00:21:39,366 --> 00:21:40,566 TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE HAVE 707 00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:42,566 HEARD DEMOCRATS SAY THE SAME, 708 00:21:42,566 --> 00:21:43,766 HOW DO WE ACTUALLY DO THAT AND 709 00:21:43,766 --> 00:21:46,133 WHAT CAN YOU DO THAT TO DO THAT 710 00:21:46,133 --> 00:21:47,400 AMONGST YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE 711 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,566 STATE HOUSE? 712 00:21:49,566 --> 00:21:51,166 >> SO THE FIRST THING I'LL SAY 713 00:21:51,166 --> 00:21:54,233 IS YOU KNOW, ASKING THE STATE 714 00:21:54,233 --> 00:21:55,733 LEGISLATURE OR THE GOVERNOR, 715 00:21:55,733 --> 00:21:58,000 ANYBODY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY 716 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,200 FOR, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE THREATS 717 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,333 OR FOR THE CRAZIES FOR THE 718 00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:04,900 EXTREMES ON BOTH SIDES IS 719 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:06,633 SOMETHING WE JUST CAN'T DO. 720 00:22:06,633 --> 00:22:08,700 HOWEVER, IN THIS. 721 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:10,100 >> YEAH BUT IF YOU HAVE 722 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:10,933 COLLEAGUES. 723 00:22:10,933 --> 00:22:12,700 >> POST ELECTION I WOULD SAY 724 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,366 THAT SOME OF THE RHETORIC COMING 725 00:22:16,366 --> 00:22:18,300 FROM THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE WAS 726 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:19,766 ABSOLUTELY UNHELPFUL TO THE 727 00:22:19,766 --> 00:22:20,833 WHOLE PROCESS. 728 00:22:20,833 --> 00:22:22,866 AND SO I DO PUSH BACK AGAINST 729 00:22:22,866 --> 00:22:24,233 THAT RHETORIC THAT WAS OUT 730 00:22:24,233 --> 00:22:24,600 THERE. 731 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,200 I IMAGINE A MUCH DIFFERENT 732 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,533 SITUATION IF POST ELECTION THE 733 00:22:29,533 --> 00:22:32,466 PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD 734 00:22:32,466 --> 00:22:34,666 SAID HEY I GAVE IT MY ALL. 735 00:22:34,666 --> 00:22:36,200 YOU KNOW IT'S VERY CLOSE. 736 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,933 WE ARE GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO 737 00:22:37,933 --> 00:22:39,333 THE ELECTION BUT YOU KNOW I 738 00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:41,500 WELCOME A PRESIDENT BIDEN IF HE 739 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,300 IS SHOWN TO BE THE WINNER WHEN 740 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:44,266 VOTES ARE COUNTED. 741 00:22:44,266 --> 00:22:46,500 I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT IMPACTS 742 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:47,866 THE BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE. 743 00:22:47,866 --> 00:22:49,433 SO. 744 00:22:49,433 --> 00:22:50,666 >> YEAH. 745 00:22:50,666 --> 00:22:52,066 >> SO, YEAH. 746 00:22:52,066 --> 00:22:53,733 >> ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT 747 00:22:53,733 --> 00:22:55,533 MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN CAUCUS? 748 00:22:55,533 --> 00:22:57,200 I THINK YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING 749 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,666 ABOUT, I'M TALKING AND MATT 750 00:23:00,666 --> 00:23:04,466 MADICK AND HIS WIFE MISHON WHO 751 00:23:04,466 --> 00:23:06,466 IS LIKELY GOING TO BE SORT OF 752 00:23:06,466 --> 00:23:07,766 DEPUTY THE COCHAIR OF THE 753 00:23:07,766 --> 00:23:09,000 MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN PARTY HERE 754 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,166 IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS TIME. 755 00:23:11,166 --> 00:23:14,400 DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT 756 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,966 THAT SORT OF FACET OF YOUR PARTY 757 00:23:16,966 --> 00:23:19,200 WHO DO BELIEVE AND DO CONTINUE 758 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,733 TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE 759 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:22,200 ELECTION WAS STOLEN, THE SO 760 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,666 CALLED STOP THIS DEAL, DO YOU 761 00:23:24,666 --> 00:23:25,833 HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR PARTY 762 00:23:25,833 --> 00:23:27,766 WITH THEM AS PART OF IT? 763 00:23:27,766 --> 00:23:29,566 >> KIND OF A BROAD QUESTION 764 00:23:29,566 --> 00:23:32,366 BECAUSE EVERY PARTY HAS 765 00:23:32,366 --> 00:23:34,766 INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF I MEAN 766 00:23:34,766 --> 00:23:37,700 PEOPLE HARD LEFT OR HARD RIGHT 767 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:39,200 MODERATE WHATEVER SO I DON'T 768 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,666 THINK YOU KNOW TRASHING ONE 769 00:23:40,666 --> 00:23:42,500 ELEMENT OF A PARTY IS REALLY 770 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:44,333 HELPFUL ELEMENT. 771 00:23:44,333 --> 00:23:47,333 THEY GOT A LOT OF PRESS AND 772 00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:49,400 PUBLICITY FOR GOING TO D.C. AND 773 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,066 AGAIN I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR 774 00:23:51,066 --> 00:23:52,800 PROTESTING YOU KNOW OKAY, AN 775 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,166 AMERICAN THING, FREEDOM OF 776 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:56,966 SPEECH, RIOTING, TRYING TO TAKE 777 00:23:56,966 --> 00:23:58,833 OVER THE U.S. CAPITOL COMPLETELY 778 00:23:58,833 --> 00:23:59,333 WRONG. 779 00:23:59,333 --> 00:24:00,466 AND IF THEY HAD DONE THAT I 780 00:24:00,466 --> 00:24:02,233 THINK THAT'S YOU KNOW THAT 781 00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:03,966 OBVIOUSLY SHOWS CRIMINAL INTENT. 782 00:24:03,966 --> 00:24:05,433 AND SO YOU MOVE ON FROM THAT. 783 00:24:05,433 --> 00:24:08,300 BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG TENT, 784 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,333 IT'S A BIG PARTY. 785 00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:11,333 SO I WON'T GO AFTER SPECIFIC 786 00:24:11,333 --> 00:24:13,100 INDIVIDUALS IN THE PARTY. 787 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:15,033 BUT I WILL SPEAK BROADLY AGAINST 788 00:24:15,033 --> 00:24:16,600 THAT RHETORIC THAT CAME FROM THE 789 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,533 PRESIDENT AFTER THE ELECTION. 790 00:24:18,533 --> 00:24:20,733 I FOUND THAT VERY DAMAGING. 791 00:24:20,733 --> 00:24:22,033 >> MR. FILLER, DO YOU THINK THE 792 00:24:22,033 --> 00:24:26,966 U.S. SENATE SHOULD CONVICT HIM? 793 00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:28,300 >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT DOES 794 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,400 NOW. 795 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,466 FOR THE COUNTRY. 796 00:24:31,466 --> 00:24:34,366 AND SO YOU KNOW BRING UP THE 797 00:24:34,366 --> 00:24:36,733 PROOF AND GO FROM THERE. 798 00:24:36,733 --> 00:24:38,200 BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT ACTUALLY 799 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,000 ADDS ANYTHING POSITIVE TO WHERE 800 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,066 THIS COUNTRY IS GOING RIGHT NOW. 801 00:24:42,066 --> 00:24:43,700 >> SO YOU WOULD NOT SUPPORT 802 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:46,366 CONVICTING THE FORMER PRESIDENT? 803 00:24:46,366 --> 00:24:48,433 >> NO, I WOULD NOT. 804 00:24:48,433 --> 00:24:48,833 >> ALL RIGHT. 805 00:24:48,833 --> 00:24:50,600 AND DID YOU EVER GO TO A TRUMP 806 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,300 RALLY? 807 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:53,066 WERE YOU THERE WITH HIM? 808 00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:54,900 AND SUPPORTED HIM IN A PHYSICAL 809 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:57,066 WAY? 810 00:24:57,066 --> 00:24:58,533 >> I'VE ACTUALLY NOT BEEN TO A 811 00:24:58,533 --> 00:25:00,633 TRUMP RALLY. 812 00:25:00,633 --> 00:25:04,266 >> ON PURPOSE TO SENT A MESSAGE? 813 00:25:04,266 --> 00:25:04,633 >> NO. 814 00:25:04,633 --> 00:25:06,566 I WOULD ATTEND RALLIES FOR A 815 00:25:06,566 --> 00:25:10,166 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WHEN MIKE 816 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:13,000 PENCE CAME IN TO -- FLEW INTO 817 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,066 LANSING I GREETED HIM THERE. 818 00:25:15,066 --> 00:25:17,566 BUT I DID NOT ATTEND ONE. 819 00:25:17,566 --> 00:25:19,233 >> BUT LET ME JUST -- I'M TRYING 820 00:25:19,233 --> 00:25:20,666 TO GET INSIDE YOUR HEAD HERE 821 00:25:20,666 --> 00:25:22,233 BECAUSE YOU SAID SOME VERY 822 00:25:22,233 --> 00:25:24,166 CRITICAL THINGS ABOUT MR. TRUMP 823 00:25:24,166 --> 00:25:25,866 HERE TODAY AND I KNOW YOU WON'T 824 00:25:25,866 --> 00:25:27,200 TELL ME IF YOU VOTED FOR HIM OR 825 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,066 NOT BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T WANT 826 00:25:30,066 --> 00:25:32,266 HIM TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN, 827 00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:33,066 FAIR STATEMENT? 828 00:25:33,066 --> 00:25:34,100 >> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 829 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:35,966 SO ONE OF THE ISSUES IS NO 830 00:25:35,966 --> 00:25:38,066 MATTER HOW GOOD WE WERE IN 831 00:25:38,066 --> 00:25:39,600 MICHIGAN OR EVEN AT THE FEDERAL 832 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,066 LEVEL WHEN THEY WERE GETTING 833 00:25:41,066 --> 00:25:43,900 THINGS DONE LIKE WORKING WITH 834 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:47,333 FARMERS AND REWRITING THE U.S. 835 00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:50,133 TRADE AGREEMENT FOR AG, DOING 836 00:25:50,133 --> 00:25:52,766 GOOD THINGS ON TAX CUTS, I THINK 837 00:25:52,766 --> 00:25:55,100 THERE WAS A 2017 TAX PLAN I 838 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:55,466 SUPPORTED. 839 00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:56,633 WE COULDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT 840 00:25:56,633 --> 00:25:57,400 THOSE THINGS. 841 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,700 AND EVEN THE TRUMP DONALD TRUMP 842 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:00,666 HIMSELF WOULD NOT SPEAK ABOUT 843 00:26:00,666 --> 00:26:02,033 THOSE THINGS BECAUSE HE SEEMED 844 00:26:02,033 --> 00:26:04,933 CAUGHT UP IN SORT OF PERSONAL 845 00:26:04,933 --> 00:26:06,366 VENDETTAS AND A LOT OF TWEETING 846 00:26:06,366 --> 00:26:07,966 SO I FEEL WHEN ALL THE GOOD 847 00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:11,166 THINGS YOU DID AS A PRESIDENT OR 848 00:26:11,166 --> 00:26:12,333 EVEN HERE IN MICHIGAN WHEN WE 849 00:26:12,333 --> 00:26:13,733 WERE DOING GOOD THINGS WE 850 00:26:13,733 --> 00:26:15,900 COULDN'T EVEN GET PUBLICITY ON I 851 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:17,566 BECAUSE HE JUST TOOK UP SO MUCH 852 00:26:17,566 --> 00:26:18,300 AIR IN THE ROOM. 853 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:20,000 AND I REALLY WANT TO MOVE ON 854 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,133 FROM THAT. 855 00:26:21,133 --> 00:26:22,033 >> ALL RIGHT WE ARE GOING TO DO 856 00:26:22,033 --> 00:26:24,566 AN OVER TIME SEGMENT SO TAKE A 857 00:26:24,566 --> 00:26:26,300 DEEP ARE BREATH AND WE WILL BE 858 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:27,833 BACK WITH REPRESENTATIVE FILLER 859 00:26:27,833 --> 00:26:29,633 WITH COMMENTS AND THE CREDITS 860 00:26:29,633 --> 00:26:32,766 AND GO TO WKAR.ORG FOR MORE OF 861 00:26:32,766 --> 00:26:34,133 OUR CONVERSATION. 862 00:26:34,133 --> 00:26:34,833 PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 863 00:26:34,833 --> 00:26:35,500 MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE 864 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:36,200 FOLLOWING, BUSINESS LEADERS FOR 865 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:36,900 MICHIGAN HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO 866 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:37,600 MAKE MICHIGAN A TOP TEN STATE IN 867 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,266 THE NATION FOR JOBS, PERSONAL 868 00:26:38,266 --> 00:26:38,966 INCOME AND A HEALTHY ECONOMY 869 00:26:38,966 --> 00:26:39,666 LEARN MORE AT MICHIGAN ROAD TO 870 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:40,033 TOP TEN.COM. 871 00:26:40,033 --> 00:26:40,700 FOR MORE OFF THE RECORD VISIT 872 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:41,300 WKAR.ORG MICHIGAN PUBLIC 873 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:41,900 TELEVISION STATIONS HAVE 874 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:42,600 CONTRIBUTED TO THE PRODUCTION 875 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,300 COSTS OF OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM 876 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:44,300 SKUBICK.