1 00:00:00,333 --> 00:00:04,166 ♪ 2 00:00:04,166 --> 00:00:06,233 WELCOME BACK TO THIS ZOOM 3 00:00:06,233 --> 00:00:07,400 EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD WITH 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,200 JOHN WALSH THE CEO OF THE 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,233 MICHIGAN MANUFACTURERS 6 00:00:11,233 --> 00:00:12,600 ASSOCIATION AND A FORMER STATE 7 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,000 BUDGET DIRECTOR OUR LEAD STORY 8 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,800 THE GOVERNOR SAYS STAY HOME 9 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,966 UNTIL MAY 28 AND AUTO WORKERS GO 10 00:00:17,966 --> 00:00:20,266 BACK TO WORK MAY 18 ON THE OTR 11 00:00:20,266 --> 00:00:21,900 PANEL CHUCK STOKES, ZOE CLARK 12 00:00:21,900 --> 00:00:23,500 AND BILL BALLENGER SIT IN WITH 13 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:26,466 US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT OFF 14 00:00:26,466 --> 00:00:27,100 THE RECORD. 15 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:29,633 ♪ 16 00:00:29,633 --> 00:00:31,333 PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 17 00:00:31,333 --> 00:00:32,900 MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE 18 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:34,733 FOLLOWING, BUSINESS LEADERS FOR 19 00:00:34,733 --> 00:00:36,300 MICHIGAN HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO 20 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:37,766 MAKE MICHIGAN A TOP TEN STATE IN 21 00:00:37,766 --> 00:00:40,500 THE NATION FOR JOBS PERSONAL 22 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:42,300 INCOME AND HEALTHY ECONOMY LEARN 23 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:44,033 MORE AT MICHIGAN'S ROAD TO TOP 24 00:00:44,033 --> 00:00:45,400 TEN.COM. 25 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,700 AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE 26 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:51,866 RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK. 27 00:00:51,866 --> 00:00:52,833 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH WELCOME 28 00:00:52,833 --> 00:00:54,400 TO ANOTHER EDITION OF OFF THE 29 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:54,700 RECORD. 30 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:57,500 A ZOOM EDITION AS WE TACKLE THIS 31 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:01,533 VIRUS PROBLEM AND THE GOVERNOR 32 00:01:01,533 --> 00:01:03,066 ANNOUNCED ZOE YOU THOUGHT YOU 33 00:01:03,066 --> 00:01:05,300 COULD GO OUT AFTER MAY 15 BUT 34 00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:08,233 HAVE TO STAY HOME UNTIL MAY 28 35 00:01:08,233 --> 00:01:10,500 HOW DO YOU THINK THIS WILL PLAY 36 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:11,000 OUT? 37 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,333 >> LOOK ANYONE PAYING CLOSE 38 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:14,533 ATTENTION TO THIS PANDEMIC 39 00:01:14,533 --> 00:01:16,066 SHOULD NOT BE SHOCKED THESE 40 00:01:16,066 --> 00:01:16,966 ORDERS CONTINUE. 41 00:01:16,966 --> 00:01:18,700 THE GOVERNOR HAS SAID FROM THE 42 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:20,066 VERY BEGINNING THAT SHE IS 43 00:01:20,066 --> 00:01:22,033 WATCHING THE DATA AND WATCHING 44 00:01:22,033 --> 00:01:24,166 THE FACTS AND SPEAKING WITH 45 00:01:24,166 --> 00:01:25,633 SCIENTISTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO 46 00:01:25,633 --> 00:01:27,366 EXTEND IF SHE FEELS SHE NEEDS 47 00:01:27,366 --> 00:01:28,500 TO. 48 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:30,033 AGAIN THOUGH THAT IS GOING TO 49 00:01:30,033 --> 00:01:31,933 RUFFLE THE FEATHERS OF 50 00:01:31,933 --> 00:01:33,233 PARTICULARLY REPUBLICAN 51 00:01:33,233 --> 00:01:34,500 LAWMAKERS WHO CONTINUE TO SAY 52 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:36,300 THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE NOT 53 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:37,366 GETTING A SAY IN THIS. 54 00:01:37,366 --> 00:01:40,933 BUT AGAIN ANYONE WHO IS SHOCKED 55 00:01:40,933 --> 00:01:42,800 THAT THIS IS CONTINUING I AM 56 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,200 SHOCKED THAT THEY ARE SHOCKED. 57 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,266 >> MR. BALLENGER, WHAT DO YOU 58 00:01:48,266 --> 00:01:49,100 THINK? 59 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:51,000 >> WELL, I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT 60 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,166 FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE ARE 61 00:01:53,166 --> 00:01:54,466 COMPLYING WITH THE STAY AT HOME 62 00:01:54,466 --> 00:01:56,766 MEASURE BY THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE 63 00:01:56,766 --> 00:01:58,433 OWN ESTIMATE. 64 00:01:58,433 --> 00:02:00,133 IT'S MAYBE DOWN TO AS MUCH AS 65 00:02:00,133 --> 00:02:01,600 ONLY 50%. 66 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,466 AND IF THAT IS THE CASE AND IT'S 67 00:02:04,466 --> 00:02:05,966 DROPPING AND FEWER AND FEWER 68 00:02:05,966 --> 00:02:08,566 PEOPLE ARE COMPLYING IT HAS LESS 69 00:02:08,566 --> 00:02:10,600 PRACTICAL IMPACT THAN IT WOULD 70 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,200 OBVIOUSLY IF IT WAS BEING 71 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,533 ADHERED TO AS THE GOVERNOR 72 00:02:14,533 --> 00:02:16,266 HOPES. 73 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:17,566 >> LOOK AT I'M NOT A 74 00:02:17,566 --> 00:02:18,900 PSYCHOLOGIST BUT I PLAY ONE ON 75 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:19,500 TV. 76 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:21,000 I THINK WE ARE GETTING TO THE 77 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO 78 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,700 SAY YOU KNOW I THINK I'VE HAD 79 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:26,266 ENOUGH OF THIS HUMAN NATURE 80 00:02:26,266 --> 00:02:28,266 BEING WHAT IT IS CHUCK AM I ON 81 00:02:28,266 --> 00:02:29,833 TO SOMETHING THERE, OR NOT? 82 00:02:29,833 --> 00:02:30,866 >> WELL, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 83 00:02:30,866 --> 00:02:31,266 RIGHT. 84 00:02:31,266 --> 00:02:32,966 PEOPLE ARE THINKING THAT. 85 00:02:32,966 --> 00:02:35,466 BUT THEY ARE IN BETWEEN BECAUSE 86 00:02:35,466 --> 00:02:37,233 THOSE WHO REALLY HAVE SUPPORTED 87 00:02:37,233 --> 00:02:39,833 THE GOVERNOR IN THE PAST ARE 88 00:02:39,833 --> 00:02:41,066 SIDING WITH HER AND SAYING, 89 00:02:41,066 --> 00:02:42,600 LOOK, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WHEN 90 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,300 WE GET BACK TO WORK, BECAUSE 91 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:45,433 EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET BACK TO 92 00:02:45,433 --> 00:02:47,800 WORK AND EVERYONE WANTS TO START 93 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,600 THEIR CITIES UP AGAIN. 94 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:50,733 WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT 95 00:02:50,733 --> 00:02:51,966 IT'S SAFE AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE 96 00:02:51,966 --> 00:02:54,500 ANY REBOUND IN THIS VIRUS. 97 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:56,700 BY THE SAME TOKEN YOU LOOK AT 98 00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:57,833 THE SMALL BUSINESS ASSOCIATION 99 00:02:57,833 --> 00:02:59,166 FOR MICHIGAN, THEY ARE SAYING 100 00:02:59,166 --> 00:03:01,033 ONE OUT OF EVERY SEVEN 101 00:03:01,033 --> 00:03:02,766 BUSINESSES WON'T SURVIVE THIS 102 00:03:02,766 --> 00:03:03,500 COVID-19. 103 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:04,700 PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT 104 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:05,733 THAT. 105 00:03:05,733 --> 00:03:07,633 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DEATH IN 106 00:03:07,633 --> 00:03:09,333 TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, YOU ARE 107 00:03:09,333 --> 00:03:10,500 TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL DEATH AND 108 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:13,366 PEOPLE BEING IN HARM'S WAY IN 109 00:03:13,366 --> 00:03:14,533 TERMS OF THEIR PHYSICAL HEALTH 110 00:03:14,533 --> 00:03:16,000 BUT YOU ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT 111 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,400 BUSINESSES DYING AT THE SAME 112 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:18,933 TOKEN. 113 00:03:18,933 --> 00:03:21,166 SO IT BECOMES THAT VERY DELICATE 114 00:03:21,166 --> 00:03:23,866 BALANCE BETWEEN, OKAY, BACK TO 115 00:03:23,866 --> 00:03:25,766 WORK BUT BACK TO WORK AT WHAT 116 00:03:25,766 --> 00:03:26,266 COST? 117 00:03:26,266 --> 00:03:28,700 AND HOW MUCH DEATH ARE WE 118 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:30,766 WILLING TO TOLERATE HERE? 119 00:03:30,766 --> 00:03:32,433 THE GOVERNOR IS USING ALL THE 120 00:03:32,433 --> 00:03:35,066 TOOLS IN HER TOOL BOX AND ALL OF 121 00:03:35,066 --> 00:03:36,533 HER POWER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE 122 00:03:36,533 --> 00:03:38,233 THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS. 123 00:03:38,233 --> 00:03:40,233 THE LEGISLATURE IS ON THE OTHER 124 00:03:40,233 --> 00:03:41,900 SIDE OF THE FENCE SAY YOU ARE 125 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:43,300 NOT INCLUDING US AND WE ARE PART 126 00:03:43,300 --> 00:03:45,066 OF THIS GOVERNMENTAL STRUCTURE 127 00:03:45,066 --> 00:03:47,866 AND WE WANT SOME SAY SO AND YOU 128 00:03:47,866 --> 00:03:49,066 ARE ABDY KHORRAMIANING LIKE A 129 00:03:49,066 --> 00:03:50,900 ZAHARATOS AND TAKING YOU TO 130 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:52,000 COURT AND THE COURTS WILL HAVE 131 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,033 TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT. 132 00:03:55,033 --> 00:03:56,866 >> SHE EARNED POINTS FOR OPENING 133 00:03:56,866 --> 00:03:58,600 UP THE MANUFACTURING SECTION AND 134 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,233 GOOD NEWS THE BIG THREE WOULD BE 135 00:04:00,233 --> 00:04:02,300 GOING BACK TO WORK BUT ONLY 25% 136 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:02,666 CAPACITY. 137 00:04:02,666 --> 00:04:05,833 BUT ZOE WILL THIS CALM NOW THE 138 00:04:05,833 --> 00:04:06,666 CRIES FROM THE REPUBLICANS WE 139 00:04:06,666 --> 00:04:08,033 NEED TO DO MORE OR ARE THEY 140 00:04:08,033 --> 00:04:09,700 GOING TO GIVE HER CUT HER SOME 141 00:04:09,700 --> 00:04:11,433 SLACK ON THIS DO YOU THINK? 142 00:04:11,433 --> 00:04:14,600 >> WELL, I THINK WE ARE FAR FROM 143 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,933 ANYTHING SHE DOES, CALMING 144 00:04:16,933 --> 00:04:18,733 CRIES, I MEAN WE SAW PRESS 145 00:04:18,733 --> 00:04:20,733 RELEASES YESTERDAY AFTER SHE DID 146 00:04:20,733 --> 00:04:23,733 MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT OF MAY 147 00:04:23,733 --> 00:04:25,933 11TH, THAT THIS WAS SOMEHOW 148 00:04:25,933 --> 00:04:29,266 CAVING ON HER PART BECAUSE THE 149 00:04:29,266 --> 00:04:30,800 REPUBLICANS HAD BROUGHT THIS 150 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,800 LAWSUIT AGAINST HER POWERS AND 151 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,900 SO THAT THIS DECISION WAS AGAIN 152 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:36,633 I THINK THE WORD CAVING WAS WHAT 153 00:04:36,633 --> 00:04:38,100 WAS USED. 154 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:39,533 LOOK, I MEAN IT IS OPENING UP 155 00:04:39,533 --> 00:04:42,300 THE ECONOMY, SOME 20%. 156 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:43,166 IT SOUNDS LIKE. 157 00:04:43,166 --> 00:04:44,800 WE WILL TALK WITH OUR GUEST. 158 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,066 THE HEAD OF THE MANUFACTURING 159 00:04:46,066 --> 00:04:47,300 ASSOCIATION IN MICHIGAN ABOUT 160 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:48,766 WHAT EXACTLY THAT IS GOING TO 161 00:04:48,766 --> 00:04:50,033 MEAN FOR THE ECONOMY. 162 00:04:50,033 --> 00:04:51,600 BUT IT DOES FEEL LIKE THERE ARE 163 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,666 THESE REALLY SIGNIFICANT LINES 164 00:04:53,666 --> 00:04:55,366 THAT ARE DRAWN IN THE SAND RIGHT 165 00:04:55,366 --> 00:04:55,800 NOW. 166 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,900 AND IT FEELS ALMOST LIKE THERE 167 00:04:57,900 --> 00:04:59,766 IS VERY LITTLE THAT EITHER SIDE 168 00:04:59,766 --> 00:05:01,466 COULD DO TO GET THE OTHER ONE ON 169 00:05:01,466 --> 00:05:03,600 BOARD AND ON TO THE TABLE. 170 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,366 AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S A SAD 171 00:05:07,366 --> 00:05:09,366 PREDICAMENT TO BE IN A GLOBAL 172 00:05:09,366 --> 00:05:10,866 PANDEMIC. 173 00:05:10,866 --> 00:05:12,033 >> BILLY, WHAT ABOUT THE BIG 174 00:05:12,033 --> 00:05:13,666 THREE GOING BACK TO WORK, GOOD 175 00:05:13,666 --> 00:05:21,900 NEWS? 176 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:24,233 >> IF YOU WANT MY COMMENTS. 177 00:05:24,233 --> 00:05:24,933 >> YES. 178 00:05:24,933 --> 00:05:25,733 >> YEAH. 179 00:05:25,733 --> 00:05:26,066 OBVIOUSLY. 180 00:05:26,066 --> 00:05:27,833 THE BIG THREE GOING BACK TO WORK 181 00:05:27,833 --> 00:05:29,500 IS HUGE. 182 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:31,733 AND THE SOONER WE CAN GET BIG 183 00:05:31,733 --> 00:05:33,166 MANUFACTURING BACK TO WORK THE 184 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:33,533 BETTER. 185 00:05:33,533 --> 00:05:35,333 I'LL JUST POINT OUT I THINK THE 186 00:05:35,333 --> 00:05:37,966 GOVERNOR IS TRYING TO SHOW SHE 187 00:05:37,966 --> 00:05:39,533 IS REASONABLE. 188 00:05:39,533 --> 00:05:42,333 YOU MAY NOTICE SHE PUT IN SOME 189 00:05:42,333 --> 00:05:45,633 WEASEL WORDS IN HER LANGUAGE ON 190 00:05:45,633 --> 00:05:47,633 BARRING PEOPLE FROM ASSEMBLY IN 191 00:05:47,633 --> 00:05:48,000 CHURCH. 192 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,300 WELL THERE WAS A LAWSUIT FILED 193 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:51,700 AGAINST HER BY RELIGIOUS LEADERS 194 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:53,866 CLAIMING THEIR RIGHTS HAVE BEEN 195 00:05:53,866 --> 00:05:55,966 VIOLATED, SEPARATION OF CHURCH 196 00:05:55,966 --> 00:05:59,400 AND STATE, TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE 197 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,266 IN CHURCH AND SHE HAS ALREADY 198 00:06:01,266 --> 00:06:02,966 MADE ADJUSTMENT BASICALLY SAYING 199 00:06:02,966 --> 00:06:04,366 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN FORCE 200 00:06:04,366 --> 00:06:05,666 YOU WILL BE ARRESTED IF YOU GO 201 00:06:05,666 --> 00:06:06,233 TO CHURCH. 202 00:06:06,233 --> 00:06:08,466 SO I MEAN, I THINK SHE IS TRYING 203 00:06:08,466 --> 00:06:12,800 TO AMEND EVERYTHING. 204 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,066 YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE NAME OF 205 00:06:14,066 --> 00:06:17,500 THE EXTENSION IS NOW SAFER AT 206 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:18,900 HOME. 207 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:21,633 EVERYTHING IS BEING KIND OF FINE 208 00:06:21,633 --> 00:06:23,466 TUNED ON THE FLY BY THE 209 00:06:23,466 --> 00:06:24,300 GOVERNOR. 210 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:26,100 PART OF THIS I THINK IS TO 211 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:27,466 ADDRESS THE LAWSUITS AGAINST HER 212 00:06:27,466 --> 00:06:29,300 IN COURT AND THE ARGUMENTS THAT 213 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:31,333 WILL BE MADE BY HER OPPONENTS. 214 00:06:31,333 --> 00:06:33,066 AND THE OTHER IS JUST PRACTICAL. 215 00:06:33,066 --> 00:06:36,400 SO YOU GIVE HER CREDIT FOR THAT. 216 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,366 >> ALL RIGHT LET'S TALK ABOUT 217 00:06:37,366 --> 00:06:38,300 THOSE LAWSUITS. 218 00:06:38,300 --> 00:06:40,033 HERE IS WHAT THE TWO REPUBLICAN 219 00:06:40,033 --> 00:06:42,666 LEADERS HAD TO SAY ABOUT, QUOTE, 220 00:06:42,666 --> 00:06:45,433 OUR GOVERNOR. 221 00:06:45,433 --> 00:06:47,666 GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER SAYS 222 00:06:47,666 --> 00:06:49,000 SHE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DECLARE 223 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,166 A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN THE 224 00:06:50,166 --> 00:06:51,700 MIDST OF THIS VIRUS AND DOES NOT 225 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:53,500 NEED LAWMAKERS TO APPROVE IT BUT 226 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:54,933 THE SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADER AND 227 00:06:54,933 --> 00:06:57,400 THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER 228 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,700 STRONGLY DISAGREE ARGUING THAT 229 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:01,233 HER UNILATERAL ACTION IS LEAVING 230 00:07:01,233 --> 00:07:02,833 SOMEBODY OUT OF THE PROCESS. 231 00:07:02,833 --> 00:07:03,833 THE CITIZENS. 232 00:07:03,833 --> 00:07:04,933 >> WE BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO 233 00:07:04,933 --> 00:07:06,833 TAKE THIS AS FAR UP AS WE NEED 234 00:07:06,833 --> 00:07:08,066 TO GO TO ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE 235 00:07:08,066 --> 00:07:10,100 OF OUR STATE HAVE A SEAT AT THE 236 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:11,433 TABLE AND THAT OUR CONSTITUTION 237 00:07:11,433 --> 00:07:12,666 IS BEING FOLLOWED. 238 00:07:12,666 --> 00:07:14,766 >> SENATOR SHIRKEY REMINDS THE 239 00:07:14,766 --> 00:07:16,200 GOVERNOR THE LEGISLATURE IS PART 240 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,466 OF THE PROCESS AND ALL HE WANTS 241 00:07:17,466 --> 00:07:19,533 IS FOR HER TO TAKE HIS EXTENDED 242 00:07:19,533 --> 00:07:21,066 HAND AND WORK WITH THE 243 00:07:21,066 --> 00:07:23,066 REPUBLICANS ON THIS VIRUS 244 00:07:23,066 --> 00:07:23,966 CHALLENGE. 245 00:07:23,966 --> 00:07:25,766 >> WE'VE CONTINUED TO OFFER AN 246 00:07:25,766 --> 00:07:27,966 OPEN HAND TO OUR GOVERNOR. 247 00:07:27,966 --> 00:07:30,800 AND A TRUE SPIRIT OF 248 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,466 COOPERATION. 249 00:07:32,466 --> 00:07:33,366 >> CONTENDS THE GOVERNOR CLOSED 250 00:07:33,366 --> 00:07:35,100 THE CURTAIN AND IS MAKING HER 251 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:36,666 DECISIONS BEHIND THOSE CURTAINS 252 00:07:36,666 --> 00:07:38,966 WITH THE LEGISLATIVE REPUBLICANS 253 00:07:38,966 --> 00:07:40,300 LOOKING IN. 254 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:41,500 >> THAT CURTAIN HAS BEEN CLOSED 255 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:42,566 FOR A LONG TIME. 256 00:07:42,566 --> 00:07:44,233 AND THE MORE DETAILED OUR 257 00:07:44,233 --> 00:07:45,533 QUESTIONS BECOME IT SEEMS LIKE 258 00:07:45,533 --> 00:07:47,366 THE TIGHTER THE CURTAIN BECOMES. 259 00:07:47,366 --> 00:07:48,800 >> SO YOU DO THINK RIGHT NOW SHE 260 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,766 HAS FROZEN YOU OUT? 261 00:07:50,766 --> 00:07:51,700 >> TIM I DON'T KNOW HOW 262 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:53,500 DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE ANY 263 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000 MORE THAN YOU DO. 264 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,166 >> TIM I THINK OUR CONSTITUTION 265 00:07:56,166 --> 00:07:57,600 IS NO LONGER BEING FOLLOWED. 266 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,500 >> THE HOUSE LEADER DISCLOSES 267 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:01,733 THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE 268 00:08:01,733 --> 00:08:03,633 TWO REPUBLICAN LEADERS AND 269 00:08:03,633 --> 00:08:05,000 QUADRANT LEADERS ALL ALONG. 270 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,833 >> WE CONTINUE TO HAVE QUADRANT 271 00:08:06,833 --> 00:08:08,433 CALLS DURING THIS PANDEMIC AND 272 00:08:08,433 --> 00:08:10,400 HAS KEPT HER PROMISE TO KEEP THE 273 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,633 LINES OVER CONVERSATION OPEN SO 274 00:08:11,633 --> 00:08:14,133 IT'S VERY DISINGENUOUS TO SAY 275 00:08:14,133 --> 00:08:15,400 THERE IS NOT SOME COLLABORATION 276 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,033 GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. 277 00:08:17,033 --> 00:08:18,166 >> MR. SHIRKEY CALLED THE 278 00:08:18,166 --> 00:08:19,633 GOVERNOR A DICTATOR AND HE AND 279 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:21,166 THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER WILL FIND 280 00:08:21,166 --> 00:08:25,300 OUT IF THE COURTS AGREE. 281 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:26,566 ALL RIGHT CHUCK WHAT DO YOU MAKE 282 00:08:26,566 --> 00:08:28,766 OF ALL THIS MY FRIEND? 283 00:08:28,766 --> 00:08:30,666 >> IT'S A GRAND MESS. 284 00:08:30,666 --> 00:08:33,533 AND I UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL 285 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:35,166 BATTLE THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON 286 00:08:35,166 --> 00:08:36,133 HERE. 287 00:08:36,133 --> 00:08:38,133 THIS IS A CLEAR, YOU KNOW, 288 00:08:38,133 --> 00:08:39,533 BATTLE BETWEEN POWERS OF 289 00:08:39,533 --> 00:08:40,933 GOVERNMENT. 290 00:08:40,933 --> 00:08:42,300 ANY TIME YOU'RE IN THE 291 00:08:42,300 --> 00:08:43,700 LEGISLATURE AND YOU ARE DEALING 292 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:45,433 WITH THE GOVERNOR YOU ARE SAYING 293 00:08:45,433 --> 00:08:47,000 HEY THEY HAVE TOO MUCH POWER AND 294 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,300 WE NEED TO BE A PART OF THE 295 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:48,766 PROCESS. 296 00:08:48,766 --> 00:08:50,666 BUT THEN WHEN YOU BECOME 297 00:08:50,666 --> 00:08:53,000 GOVERNOR AS GOVERNOR WHITMER HAS 298 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,933 NOW BECOME GOVERNOR AND MOVED 299 00:08:54,933 --> 00:08:56,433 FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO THE 300 00:08:56,433 --> 00:08:57,633 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE SHE IS DOING 301 00:08:57,633 --> 00:08:58,933 SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT WE 302 00:08:58,933 --> 00:09:01,433 SAW WITH SNYDER AND EVERY OTHER 303 00:09:01,433 --> 00:09:02,700 GOVERNOR THAT HAS BEEN IN THAT 304 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:04,166 POSITION YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE 305 00:09:04,166 --> 00:09:05,466 UP ANY OF THAT POWER THAT YOU 306 00:09:05,466 --> 00:09:06,600 HAVE WHEN YOU ARE IN THE 307 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:07,400 EXECUTIVE BRANCH. 308 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,666 WE HAVE THIS CONFLICT BETWEEN 309 00:09:08,666 --> 00:09:12,833 THE 1945 LAW AND THE 1976 LAW. 310 00:09:12,833 --> 00:09:14,866 IRONICALLY THE 76 LAW WAS 311 00:09:14,866 --> 00:09:16,500 SOMETHING THAT GOVERNOR MILLIKEN 312 00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:18,033 ASKED FOR WHEN HE WAS GOVERNOR 313 00:09:18,033 --> 00:09:20,400 AND THE LONGEST SERVING AND 314 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,933 REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AT THAT 315 00:09:21,933 --> 00:09:23,733 POINT SO THIS IS COMING TO RUSE 316 00:09:23,733 --> 00:09:25,166 SO IT HAS TO BE SORTED OUT AND 317 00:09:25,166 --> 00:09:26,833 WE NEED MORE CLARIFICATION IN 318 00:09:26,833 --> 00:09:27,100 THIS. 319 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:28,966 BUT FOR THAT AVERAGE PERSON AT 320 00:09:28,966 --> 00:09:31,266 HOME IN THE MIDST OF PEOPLE 321 00:09:31,266 --> 00:09:33,166 DYING, IN THE MIDST OF THIS 322 00:09:33,166 --> 00:09:34,233 MEDICAL EMERGENCY. 323 00:09:34,233 --> 00:09:37,466 IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THE 324 00:09:37,466 --> 00:09:39,133 RECESSION THAT WE SEE GOING ON 325 00:09:39,133 --> 00:09:41,266 AND THE FINANCIAL STRESS, THAT 326 00:09:41,266 --> 00:09:42,200 AVERAGE PERSON IS KIND OF 327 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,366 LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING YOU 328 00:09:43,366 --> 00:09:44,466 KNOW THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE 329 00:09:44,466 --> 00:09:46,433 CAPTAIN IN THE CREW ON THE 330 00:09:46,433 --> 00:09:48,400 TITANIC DECIDING TO SIT DOWN AND 331 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,833 PLAY A GAME OF CHESS INSTEAD OF 332 00:09:50,833 --> 00:09:52,400 ALL TEAMING UP TOGETHER COMING 333 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,300 UP, WITH A GREAT PLAN, THROWING 334 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:56,800 LIFE JACKETS AND LIFE BOATS TO 335 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,433 EVERYBODY IN THE MIDST OF THIS 336 00:09:58,433 --> 00:10:00,000 DISASTER. 337 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,533 >> EVERYBODY LOOK AT BILL THE 338 00:10:01,533 --> 00:10:03,766 GOVERNOR CONTINUES ACCUSES THESE 339 00:10:03,766 --> 00:10:06,300 REPUBLICANS ARE QUOTE PLAYING 340 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:07,533 POLITICAL GAMES BUT SHE HAS 341 00:10:07,533 --> 00:10:08,733 NEVER TOLD US WHAT IS THE 342 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:09,600 POLITICAL GAIN. 343 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,900 CAN YOU TELL ME IF SHE IS RIGHT, 344 00:10:11,900 --> 00:10:13,033 WHAT ARE THE REPUBLICANS TRYING 345 00:10:13,033 --> 00:10:15,100 TO DO TO HER BESIDES TAKE AWAY 346 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:16,833 HER POWER, WHAT IS THE HIDDEN 347 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:19,066 POLITICAL AGENDA? 348 00:10:19,066 --> 00:10:20,766 >> THE GOVERNOR CLAIMS THE 349 00:10:20,766 --> 00:10:22,766 REPUBLICANS ARE PETTY LITTLE 350 00:10:22,766 --> 00:10:25,933 ANKLE BITER'S WHILE SHE IS 351 00:10:25,933 --> 00:10:27,633 DEALING WITH A PANDEMIC. 352 00:10:27,633 --> 00:10:30,333 LOOK, TIM, THIS GETS DOWN TO THE 353 00:10:30,333 --> 00:10:33,000 QUESTION OF ARE THE REPUBLICANS 354 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,566 AND THE LEGISLATURE GOING TO PUT 355 00:10:34,566 --> 00:10:37,333 THEIR PETITIONS WHERE THEIR 356 00:10:37,333 --> 00:10:38,933 MOUTHS ARE AND FRANKLY I THINK 357 00:10:38,933 --> 00:10:40,533 THAT IS THEIR BEST CHANCE OF 358 00:10:40,533 --> 00:10:41,266 SUCCESS. 359 00:10:41,266 --> 00:10:42,666 IF THEY ARE UNHAPPY WITH POWER 360 00:10:42,666 --> 00:10:44,100 BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM BY 361 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:48,633 THE GOVERNOR, THEY CAN MOUNT AN 362 00:10:48,633 --> 00:10:50,066 INITIATIVE PETITION DRIVE TO 363 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:53,700 360,000 SIGNATURES, RUBBER STAMP 364 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:55,400 IT IN THE LEGISLATURE, HOUSE AND 365 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,033 SENATE. 366 00:10:56,033 --> 00:10:57,933 THEY HAVE THE MAJORITY. 367 00:10:57,933 --> 00:10:59,733 DOES NOT REQUIRE THE GOVERNOR'S 368 00:10:59,733 --> 00:11:01,633 SIGNATURE OR VETO. 369 00:11:01,633 --> 00:11:05,366 AND THEY COULD WIPE OUT THE 1976 370 00:11:05,366 --> 00:11:07,700 AND/OR 1945 LAWS. 371 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:09,066 BECAUSE IF THEY WAIT FOR THE 372 00:11:09,066 --> 00:11:11,566 COURT TO SOLVE THIS, I'M NOT 373 00:11:11,566 --> 00:11:13,200 CONVINCED AT ALL, IT'S NOT GOING 374 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,100 TO HAPPEN. 375 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,833 ANY COURT, ANY COURT OF LAW OF 376 00:11:16,833 --> 00:11:18,633 ALL THESE COURTS THAT HAVE SUITS 377 00:11:18,633 --> 00:11:20,000 IN FRONT OF THEM RIGHT NOW ARE 378 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,300 GOING TO SOLVE THIS IN THE SHORT 379 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:21,733 TERM. 380 00:11:21,733 --> 00:11:24,066 MAYBE IN THE LONG-TERM. 381 00:11:24,066 --> 00:11:25,466 THERE WILL BE SOME RESOLUTION. 382 00:11:25,466 --> 00:11:27,333 BUT THAT WILL BE LONG AFTER THE 383 00:11:27,333 --> 00:11:29,000 PANDEMIC IS PASSED. 384 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:29,766 >> BUT BILL. 385 00:11:29,766 --> 00:11:31,366 >> ZOE. 386 00:11:31,366 --> 00:11:33,300 >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY. 387 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:33,733 >> ZOE. 388 00:11:33,733 --> 00:11:35,300 >> GO AHEAD. 389 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:36,900 >> NO, NO, GO AHEAD Z. 390 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:38,100 >> I WAS GOING TO SAY WHAT BILL 391 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:39,466 IS TALKING ABOUT JUST TO PUT IT 392 00:11:39,466 --> 00:11:41,400 IN A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT IS 393 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,966 THAT SENATE MAJORITY LEADER 394 00:11:43,966 --> 00:11:45,633 SHIRKEY ON MONDAY SAID HIS TOP 395 00:11:45,633 --> 00:11:47,033 PRIORITY DURING ALL OF THIS OR 396 00:11:47,033 --> 00:11:50,000 RIGHT AFTER IS CREATING A 397 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,733 PETITION INITIATIVE AS BILL SAID 398 00:11:52,733 --> 00:11:54,133 WHICH WOULD NEED MORE THAN 399 00:11:54,133 --> 00:11:57,100 350,000 SIGNATURES BASICALLY TO 400 00:11:57,100 --> 00:11:59,366 RECALL THE POWERS THAT THIS 401 00:11:59,366 --> 00:12:00,166 GOVERNOR HAS. 402 00:12:00,166 --> 00:12:01,766 AND I THINK WHY WE ARE TALKING 403 00:12:01,766 --> 00:12:03,800 ABOUT THAT NOW IS WHAT YOU ARE 404 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,266 HEARING IS A LOT OF LEGAL 405 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:07,833 SCHOLARS SAYING LOOK WE HEAR, WE 406 00:12:07,833 --> 00:12:10,066 SEE THIS LAWSUIT BUT ARE SAYING 407 00:12:10,066 --> 00:12:11,233 THEY WOULD RATHER BE ON THE 408 00:12:11,233 --> 00:12:12,733 GOVERNOR'S SIDE OF THIS LEGAL 409 00:12:12,733 --> 00:12:15,266 ISSUE AT THIS POINT. 410 00:12:15,266 --> 00:12:17,266 >> I THINK THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE 411 00:12:17,266 --> 00:12:19,666 IN TOWN WHO ARE SAYING, YEAH, 412 00:12:19,666 --> 00:12:21,166 THEY WANT TO TAKE THIS STUFF TO 413 00:12:21,166 --> 00:12:23,266 COURT BUT THE REAL HIDDEN AGENDA 414 00:12:23,266 --> 00:12:24,866 IS THEY ARE CARRYING THE FLAG 415 00:12:24,866 --> 00:12:26,266 FOR THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN 416 00:12:26,266 --> 00:12:26,866 PARTY. 417 00:12:26,866 --> 00:12:27,500 WE ARE HERE. 418 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:28,966 WE ARE FIGHTING THIS GOVERNOR. 419 00:12:28,966 --> 00:12:30,300 WE ARE STANDING UP FOR YOU. 420 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:32,166 WE WANT TO GET YOUR VOICE AT THE 421 00:12:32,166 --> 00:12:32,433 TABLE. 422 00:12:32,433 --> 00:12:34,600 THIS PLAYS VERY WELL BACK IN THE 423 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,000 DISTRICTS THAT REPUBLICANS ARE 424 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,133 RUNNING IN THIS YEAR SO RATHER 425 00:12:37,133 --> 00:12:38,600 THAN JUST ROLLING OVER AND LET 426 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,433 THE GOVERNOR ROLLOVER THEM, THEY 427 00:12:40,433 --> 00:12:42,166 ARE TRYING TO SAY TO THE PEOPLE 428 00:12:42,166 --> 00:12:43,566 HEY WE ARE IN HERE FIGHTING FOR 429 00:12:43,566 --> 00:12:45,433 YOU GUYS, WE ARE HERE FIGHTING 430 00:12:45,433 --> 00:12:45,966 FOR YOU. 431 00:12:45,966 --> 00:12:47,200 ANYBODY BELIEVE THAT IS GOING 432 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,066 ON? 433 00:12:49,066 --> 00:12:50,866 >> WELL, THAT IS TRUE WHAT YOU 434 00:12:50,866 --> 00:12:52,700 SAID, TIM. 435 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:54,033 BUT THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN 436 00:12:54,033 --> 00:12:54,433 THAT. 437 00:12:54,433 --> 00:12:55,733 I MEAN I THINK A LOT OF THE 438 00:12:55,733 --> 00:12:56,766 BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THAT 439 00:12:56,766 --> 00:12:58,133 INCLUDES BY THE WAY SOME 440 00:12:58,133 --> 00:13:00,633 DEMOCRATS ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE 441 00:13:00,633 --> 00:13:01,266 SITUATION. 442 00:13:01,266 --> 00:13:03,133 SO THERE IS A LOT MORE GOING ON 443 00:13:03,133 --> 00:13:04,766 THAN JUST PLAYING THE BASE OF 444 00:13:04,766 --> 00:13:06,966 THE PARTY BUT THEY OUGHT TO PUT 445 00:13:06,966 --> 00:13:08,400 THEIR PETITIONS WHERE THEIR 446 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:09,100 MOUTHS ARE. 447 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:10,400 >> AND YOU KNOW WE SHOULD ALSO 448 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,600 POINT OUT THAT THIS IS NOT JUST 449 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,000 A FIGHT BETWEEN THE LEGISLATURE 450 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,166 AND THE GOVERNOR. 451 00:13:15,166 --> 00:13:17,500 WE ALSO HAVE LAWSUITS INVOLVED 452 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:19,400 HERE FROM A RELIGIOUS STANDPOINT 453 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,866 AND ONE OF THEM IS THE SPEAKER'S 454 00:13:21,866 --> 00:13:25,000 FATHER, RUSTY CHATFIELD WHO IS A 455 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,500 MINISTER. 456 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,400 HE IS SUING ALONG WITH KEITH 457 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,000 BUTLER OF WORD OF FAITH DOWN 458 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,466 HERE IN THE DETROIT AREA. 459 00:13:30,466 --> 00:13:31,900 AND YOU HAVE CONGRESSMAN 460 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:33,333 MITCHELL SO YOU GOT A LOT OF 461 00:13:33,333 --> 00:13:34,900 LAWSUITS GOING ON A LOT OF 462 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:36,833 DIFFERENT LEVELS STATE AND IN 463 00:13:36,833 --> 00:13:38,833 FEDERAL COURT. 464 00:13:38,833 --> 00:13:40,400 >> NOW I THOUGHT THE SPEAKER HAD 465 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,900 A GREAT LINE THE OTHER DAY HE 466 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:43,300 SAID THEY TRIED TO GET HIS 467 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:44,700 MOTHER TO JOIN THE LAWSUIT BUT 468 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:45,900 APPARENTLY SHE IS A DEMOCRAT MY 469 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:47,166 WORDS, NOT HIS. 470 00:13:47,166 --> 00:13:51,300 AND PROBABLY IS NOT. 471 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:52,966 LET'S CALL IN OUR GUEST THE HEAD 472 00:13:52,966 --> 00:13:57,700 OF THE MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION 473 00:13:57,700 --> 00:14:00,066 JOHN WALSH WELCOME TO OFF THE 474 00:14:00,066 --> 00:14:01,066 RECORD AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU 475 00:14:01,066 --> 00:14:01,733 ON BOARD. 476 00:14:01,733 --> 00:14:03,533 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH TIM GLAD TO 477 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:04,033 BE HERE. 478 00:14:04,033 --> 00:14:05,033 >> LET'S HAVE CHUCK HAVE THE 479 00:14:05,033 --> 00:14:06,433 FIRST SHOT HERE ALL RIGHT. 480 00:14:06,433 --> 00:14:07,800 >> MR. PRESIDENT OF THE 481 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,500 MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION FOR 482 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:11,000 MICHIGAN LET ME READ YOU 483 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,133 SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID IN 484 00:14:12,133 --> 00:14:14,500 JANUARY OF 2015 WHEN YOU JUST 485 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:15,400 TOOK OFFICE. 486 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,300 YOU SAID NO OTHER STATE LIVES 487 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:19,300 AND BREATHES MANUFACTURING LIKE 488 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:20,866 MICHIGAN AND I EXPECT THE 489 00:14:20,866 --> 00:14:23,366 INDUSTRY'S NEXT CHAPTER TO BE 490 00:14:23,366 --> 00:14:25,266 EVEN BRIGHTER AS WE CONTINUE TO 491 00:14:25,266 --> 00:14:26,866 INNOVATE, INVEST AND CREATE 492 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:29,233 JOBS. 493 00:14:29,233 --> 00:14:30,466 WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THAT 494 00:14:30,466 --> 00:14:32,666 STATEMENT BACK NOW THAT ARE YOU 495 00:14:32,666 --> 00:14:34,900 IN ZOOM MEETINGS ABOUT YOUR 496 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:35,900 MEMBERSHIP AND YOU HAVE 497 00:14:35,900 --> 00:14:38,566 UNEMPLOYMENT SKY HIGH? 498 00:14:38,566 --> 00:14:38,966 >> YEAH. 499 00:14:38,966 --> 00:14:41,166 NO I WON'T TAKE IT BACK, CHUCK. 500 00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:42,833 IT'S STILL TRUE FOR THE STATE OF 501 00:14:42,833 --> 00:14:43,233 MICHIGAN. 502 00:14:43,233 --> 00:14:44,700 WE ARE A BIG PART OF THE STATE. 503 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:47,966 NOW AS I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, 504 00:14:47,966 --> 00:14:50,200 TAKING OVER A TRADE ASSOCIATION 505 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,533 AND HAVING ABOUT HALF OF THE 506 00:14:51,533 --> 00:14:53,400 MEMBERS IMPACTED BY THE 507 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,500 CORONAVIRUS AND THE EXECUTIVE 508 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:56,333 ORDER WAS A TOUGH ONE. 509 00:14:56,333 --> 00:14:58,066 BUT WHAT I WATCHED WERE 510 00:14:58,066 --> 00:14:59,333 MANUFACTURERS STANDING UP TO THE 511 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:00,433 CHALLENGE. 512 00:15:00,433 --> 00:15:01,433 DIVERTING THEIR RESOURCES FROM 513 00:15:01,433 --> 00:15:03,000 WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN MAKING 514 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,600 AND CREATING PPE. 515 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,266 SHOWING THAT STRENGTH AND 516 00:15:07,266 --> 00:15:08,800 DEXTERITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE 517 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:09,866 ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS. 518 00:15:09,866 --> 00:15:12,000 OF COURSE WE ARE DELIGHTED THAT 519 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,966 MANUFACTURING IS TO BE ABLE TO 520 00:15:12,966 --> 00:15:14,166 GO BACK TO WORK. 521 00:15:14,166 --> 00:15:16,000 OVER THE NEXT WEEK. 522 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,500 BUT WHAT I SEE IN THE FUTURE IS 523 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:20,633 THIS MOVEMENT TO POSSIBLY START 524 00:15:20,633 --> 00:15:22,566 ON SHORING MANUFACTURING AGAIN 525 00:15:22,566 --> 00:15:24,533 AND I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING I 526 00:15:24,533 --> 00:15:25,833 CAN WITH OUR ASSOCIATION AND OUR 527 00:15:25,833 --> 00:15:26,966 MEMBERS TO BRING IT RIGHT HERE 528 00:15:26,966 --> 00:15:30,366 TO MICHIGAN. 529 00:15:30,366 --> 00:15:32,633 >> ZOE. 530 00:15:32,633 --> 00:15:34,566 >> GO AHEAD, ZOE, I'M SORRY. 531 00:15:34,566 --> 00:15:35,933 >> JOHN, TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT 532 00:15:35,933 --> 00:15:37,666 ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT 533 00:15:37,666 --> 00:15:39,200 YOU THINK THIS WILL HAVE. 534 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,466 WE HAVE HEARD DIRE DIRE NUMBERS 535 00:15:41,466 --> 00:15:43,900 WHETHER IT'S FROM UNEMPLOYMENT 536 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:46,000 RATE BEING INCREDIBLY HIGH, THE 537 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,466 NUMBER OF FOLKS FILING FOR 538 00:15:47,466 --> 00:15:48,833 UNEMPLOYMENT. 539 00:15:48,833 --> 00:15:51,033 MANUFACTURING NOW THE NUMBER HAS 540 00:15:51,033 --> 00:15:53,500 BEEN 20% AS OF MONDAY WITH THIS 541 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:54,900 OPENING OF THE ECONOMY. 542 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,000 WILL THIS HAVE SMALL RIPPLE 543 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,600 EFFECTS, WILL IT BE BIG WAVES, 544 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,133 WHAT CAN THIS DO FOR THE STATE 545 00:16:01,133 --> 00:16:02,233 OF MICHIGAN WITH THIS REOPENING? 546 00:16:02,233 --> 00:16:03,700 >> I GUESS I WILL START AS A 547 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:05,766 SMALL WAVE BUT IT WILL BECOME A 548 00:16:05,766 --> 00:16:08,066 BIG ONE FAIRLY QUICKLY ONCE IT 549 00:16:08,066 --> 00:16:08,600 RAMPS UP. 550 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,233 SO FOLKS WILL BE CALLING BACK 551 00:16:10,233 --> 00:16:14,100 EMPLOYEES GRADUALLY TO GET THE 552 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:15,200 SUPPLY SYSTEM AND CHAIN 553 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,833 OPERATING AND MOVING FORWARD. 554 00:16:16,833 --> 00:16:18,200 WE ESTIMATE THAT PROBABLY ABOUT 555 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,066 HALF OF OUR STATE'S 556 00:16:20,066 --> 00:16:21,566 MANUFACTURERS HAVE AN IMPACTED 557 00:16:21,566 --> 00:16:23,400 BY EITHER COVID-19 OR THE 558 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,033 EXECUTIVE ORDER. 559 00:16:24,033 --> 00:16:25,200 THAT REPRESENTS JUST ABOUT 560 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,100 300,000 MAYBE A LITTLE MORE 561 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:28,466 300,000 EMPLOYEES. 562 00:16:28,466 --> 00:16:31,066 WHEN THEY BACK AT WORK EARNING 563 00:16:31,066 --> 00:16:32,566 GOOD WAGES FEELING CONFIDENT IN 564 00:16:32,566 --> 00:16:34,700 THE WORKPLACE SAFE AND CONFIDENT 565 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:36,133 AND THEN CONFIDENT IN SPENDING 566 00:16:36,133 --> 00:16:37,533 MONEY IT'S GOING TO DRIVE OUR 567 00:16:37,533 --> 00:16:39,066 STATE ECONOMY AND CERTAINLY HAS 568 00:16:39,066 --> 00:16:40,666 AN IMPACT ACROSS THE COUNTRY IF 569 00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:44,466 NOT THE WORLD. 570 00:16:44,466 --> 00:16:47,933 >> BILL? 571 00:16:47,933 --> 00:16:50,200 >> JOHN WALSH, YOU ARE AMONG 572 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,766 OTHER THINGS A FORMER STATE 573 00:16:52,766 --> 00:16:53,233 REPRESENTATIVE. 574 00:16:53,233 --> 00:16:55,100 YOU'RE A FORMER STATE 575 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:57,100 LEGISLATURE. 576 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:58,700 I'M ASKING YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK 577 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:00,733 THE CHANCES ARE OF YOUR FORMER 578 00:17:00,733 --> 00:17:03,066 COLLEAGUES IN THE LEGISLATURE 579 00:17:03,066 --> 00:17:04,200 PREVAILING IN COURT AGAINST THE 580 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:04,633 GOVERNOR? 581 00:17:04,633 --> 00:17:06,500 AND DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE A 582 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:07,633 CASE? 583 00:17:07,633 --> 00:17:09,533 >> WELL, I'M ALSO A LAWYER, 584 00:17:09,533 --> 00:17:09,933 BILL. 585 00:17:09,933 --> 00:17:12,100 SO I'LL NEVER TRY TO SECOND 586 00:17:12,100 --> 00:17:13,566 GUESS A COURT AHEAD OF TIME BUT 587 00:17:13,566 --> 00:17:14,533 I WILL TELL YOU I THINK THERE 588 00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:16,000 ARE VERY IMPORTANT 589 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES HERE. 590 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,066 IT'S A BATTLE BETWEEN 591 00:17:20,066 --> 00:17:21,233 LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY AND 592 00:17:21,233 --> 00:17:22,433 EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY. 593 00:17:22,433 --> 00:17:24,600 WE HAVE TWO LAWS THAT ARE IN 594 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:25,333 CONFLICT. 595 00:17:25,333 --> 00:17:26,566 YOU HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL 596 00:17:26,566 --> 00:17:28,466 ISSUES OF REPRESENTATION FOR ALL 597 00:17:28,466 --> 00:17:30,233 THE VOTERS THROUGH THE HOUSE AND 598 00:17:30,233 --> 00:17:31,900 SENATE AND OF COURSE THE 599 00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:32,700 GOVERNOR. 600 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:34,233 AND THE COURT SYSTEM TO LOOK AT 601 00:17:34,233 --> 00:17:35,400 IT. 602 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,500 I REALLY CAN'T CALL IT -- MY GUT 603 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:40,800 FEELING IS THERE IS PROBABLY 604 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,766 SOME ROOM FOR THE GOVERNOR AND 605 00:17:42,766 --> 00:17:45,300 FOR LEGISLATURE TO MOVE TO BE 606 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:47,100 COOPERATIVE AND THE COURT WILL 607 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:47,933 SUPPORT THAT. 608 00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:49,633 BUT THAT TAKES TIME. 609 00:17:49,633 --> 00:17:52,466 IN THE MEANTIME, MY HOPE AS A 610 00:17:52,466 --> 00:17:54,600 CITIZEN LET ALONE ON BEHALF OF 611 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,000 US THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR 612 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,133 DIALOG. 613 00:17:57,133 --> 00:17:58,933 I'VE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY 614 00:17:58,933 --> 00:18:00,433 DEMOCRACY IS LOUD AND MESSY. 615 00:18:00,433 --> 00:18:02,466 AND WHEN IT ISN'T THAT'S WHEN I 616 00:18:02,466 --> 00:18:03,766 START TO GET WORRIED AS A 617 00:18:03,766 --> 00:18:04,833 CITIZEN. 618 00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:06,866 BUT I THINK TO YOUR QUESTION 619 00:18:06,866 --> 00:18:09,266 SPECIFICALLY I THINK THE COURT 620 00:18:09,266 --> 00:18:11,166 HAS REASON TO TAKE A VERY, VERY 621 00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:12,800 CLOSE LOOK AT THIS. 622 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,033 THAT SHARING OF POWER BETWEEN 623 00:18:14,033 --> 00:18:16,666 THE TWO BRANCHES. 624 00:18:16,666 --> 00:18:18,700 >> MR. WALSH SHOULD THE REST OF 625 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:22,266 THE ECONOMY BE OPENED RIGHT NOW? 626 00:18:22,266 --> 00:18:24,933 >> I THINK THERE IS 627 00:18:24,933 --> 00:18:27,133 OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT SAFETY. 628 00:18:27,133 --> 00:18:28,800 NOT SO MUCH ESSENTIAL OPERATIONS 629 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:29,500 BUT SAFETY. 630 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:30,800 LOOK AT THE FUNCTIONS. 631 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,733 CAN A MANUFACTURING MOVE FORWARD 632 00:18:33,733 --> 00:18:34,600 SAFELY WE THINK SO. 633 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,433 CAN AN OFFICE ENVIRONMENT MOVE 634 00:18:36,433 --> 00:18:37,166 SAFELY. 635 00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:37,866 I THINK SO. 636 00:18:37,866 --> 00:18:39,600 YOU CAN USE THE SAME SOCIAL 637 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,866 DISTANCING, STAGGERED START 638 00:18:41,866 --> 00:18:43,933 TIMES, PPE, AND CLEANING. 639 00:18:43,933 --> 00:18:45,866 THE TOUGHER SPOT IS GOING TO BE 640 00:18:45,866 --> 00:18:48,900 THE RESTAURANTS AND MOVIE 641 00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:50,900 THEATRES WHERE PEOPLE GATHER 642 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:51,300 TOGETHER. 643 00:18:51,300 --> 00:18:53,033 AND AS THEY START TO THINK 644 00:18:53,033 --> 00:18:54,300 WITHIN THEIR OWN ASSOCIATIONS 645 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:56,466 AND AS INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES HOW 646 00:18:56,466 --> 00:18:58,433 TO CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT, 647 00:18:58,433 --> 00:18:59,333 THAT IS THE TRIGGER. 648 00:18:59,333 --> 00:19:00,933 IT'S WHEN WILL YOUR EMPLOYEES 649 00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:04,166 AND CUSTOMERS FEEL CONFIDENT IN 650 00:19:04,166 --> 00:19:04,500 RETURNING. 651 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:06,333 SO TIM I DID NOT ANSWER DIRECTLY 652 00:19:06,333 --> 00:19:08,733 BECAUSE THERE IS A SUBTLETY TO 653 00:19:08,733 --> 00:19:09,166 IT. 654 00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:10,333 I WOULD LIGHT IT TO MOVE 655 00:19:10,333 --> 00:19:10,633 QUICKLY. 656 00:19:10,633 --> 00:19:12,166 I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE 657 00:19:12,166 --> 00:19:13,566 MOTIVATED TO KEEP THEIR 658 00:19:13,566 --> 00:19:15,066 CUSTOMERS, EMPLOYEES SAFE. 659 00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:17,100 THAT IS A HUGE MOTIVATOR. 660 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:18,766 AND OF COURSE THE REGULATORY 661 00:19:18,766 --> 00:19:19,833 AUTHORITIES ARE GOING TO PUT IN 662 00:19:19,833 --> 00:19:20,733 SOME RULES. 663 00:19:20,733 --> 00:19:22,666 SO FAR I THINK REASONABLE. 664 00:19:22,666 --> 00:19:24,100 TO GIVE THAT ADDITIONAL 665 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:25,633 ASSURANCE AS WELL. 666 00:19:25,633 --> 00:19:27,533 >> BUT DO YOU AGREE WITH THE 667 00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:29,066 GOVERNOR THAT WE NEED TO GO 668 00:19:29,066 --> 00:19:30,733 SLOWER THAN FASTER SO THAT THERE 669 00:19:30,733 --> 00:19:32,266 IS NOT A SECOND WAVE? 670 00:19:32,266 --> 00:19:34,933 ARE YOU ON BOARD WITH THAT? 671 00:19:34,933 --> 00:19:36,333 >> YOU KNOW, I MIGHT HAVE SOME 672 00:19:36,333 --> 00:19:38,333 DIFFERENCES IN PACE AND TIMING 673 00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:40,033 BUT THE GOVERNOR AND HER TEAM 674 00:19:40,033 --> 00:19:40,933 PROBABLY HAVE MORE INFORMATION 675 00:19:40,933 --> 00:19:41,800 THAN I DO. 676 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,466 WITH REGARD TO THE SPREAD OF THE 677 00:19:43,466 --> 00:19:44,266 DISEASE. 678 00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:45,766 AND THE IMPACT IT'S HAVING ON 679 00:19:45,766 --> 00:19:47,733 OUR SOCIETY. 680 00:19:47,733 --> 00:19:50,000 BUT AS I LOOK AT BUSINESSES AND 681 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,300 MY FOCUS OBVIOUSLY IS 682 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:53,566 MANUFACTURING, OUR MEMBERS 683 00:19:53,566 --> 00:19:54,766 JUMPED UP AND SAID ALL RIGHT HOW 684 00:19:54,766 --> 00:19:56,433 DO WE MAKE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. 685 00:19:56,433 --> 00:19:59,066 AS I TALKED TO PEOPLE MORE 686 00:19:59,066 --> 00:20:00,966 ANECDOTALLY IN OTHER BUSINESSES 687 00:20:00,966 --> 00:20:01,933 THEY ARE DOING THE SAME AND I 688 00:20:01,933 --> 00:20:03,600 TAKE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE FROM 689 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,166 FOLKS HAVING SAFETY FIRST AND 690 00:20:06,166 --> 00:20:06,866 MOVING FORWARD. 691 00:20:06,866 --> 00:20:08,433 SO YES I'D LIKE IT TO BE A 692 00:20:08,433 --> 00:20:09,733 LITTLE BIT FASTER BUT WE DO HAVE 693 00:20:09,733 --> 00:20:10,733 TO BE CAREFUL. 694 00:20:10,733 --> 00:20:13,966 IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT BALANCE. 695 00:20:13,966 --> 00:20:16,566 >> MR. STOKES? 696 00:20:16,566 --> 00:20:18,600 >> QUESTION FOR YOU. 697 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,600 THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK 698 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,833 ABOUT LAWSUITS ASIDE AND ALL OF 699 00:20:22,833 --> 00:20:25,233 THIS LEGAL BATTLE ASIDE WHEN YOU 700 00:20:25,233 --> 00:20:27,200 GET TO THIS POINT THEN SOME HAVE 701 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,400 SUGGESTED, AND I THINK FORMER 702 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,266 LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR BRIAN CALLEY 703 00:20:32,266 --> 00:20:33,366 RECENTLY SAID WHEN YOU GET TO 704 00:20:33,366 --> 00:20:34,600 THIS POINT THEN YOU ARE STARTING 705 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,200 TO ERODE THE PUBLIC TRUST NO 706 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,866 MATTER WHO WINS THE LEGAL 707 00:20:38,866 --> 00:20:39,333 BATTLE. 708 00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:40,866 YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD ALL 709 00:20:40,866 --> 00:20:42,100 SORTS OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS 710 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,800 IN THE LEGISLATURE, IN THE 711 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,166 EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND IN 712 00:20:45,166 --> 00:20:46,533 CORPORATE AMERICA. 713 00:20:46,533 --> 00:20:49,733 AND YOU'RE KNOWN AS A KEY 714 00:20:49,733 --> 00:20:50,666 STRATEGIC PLANNER. 715 00:20:50,666 --> 00:20:52,033 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU 716 00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:54,033 LOOK BACK AND SAY OKAY WHAT IS 717 00:20:54,033 --> 00:20:56,333 THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT PERHAPS 718 00:20:56,333 --> 00:20:58,333 THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE 719 00:20:58,333 --> 00:21:00,066 SHOULD HAVE USED THAT WASN'T 720 00:21:00,066 --> 00:21:01,966 USED SO THAT WE ARE NOT ERODING 721 00:21:01,966 --> 00:21:05,166 THE PUBLIC TRUST IN ALL OF THIS? 722 00:21:05,166 --> 00:21:06,366 >> YOU KNOW THAT IS A REALLY 723 00:21:06,366 --> 00:21:07,933 TOUGH QUESTION, CHUCK. 724 00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:11,933 THIS PANDEMIC WAS THRUST UPON US 725 00:21:11,933 --> 00:21:13,200 IN REALLY SHORT ORDER. 726 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,366 AND THERE WAS ONLY SO MUCH 727 00:21:14,366 --> 00:21:16,166 INFORMATION AVAILABLE. 728 00:21:16,166 --> 00:21:18,600 FOLKS DIGESTED IT AS QUICKLY AS 729 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,000 POSSIBLE, MADE EXTREMELY 730 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,166 DIFFICULT DECISIONS HERE IN THE 731 00:21:24,166 --> 00:21:25,533 STATE OF MICHIGAN AND ACROSS THE 732 00:21:25,533 --> 00:21:27,166 UNITED STATES AND HAD DRAMATIC 733 00:21:27,166 --> 00:21:27,533 IMPACT. 734 00:21:27,533 --> 00:21:28,633 AT THIS POINT I THINK WHAT WOULD 735 00:21:28,633 --> 00:21:31,066 BE HELPFUL FOR PUBLIC TRUST IS A 736 00:21:31,066 --> 00:21:33,166 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE 737 00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:34,633 INFORMATION THAT THE DECISIONS 738 00:21:34,633 --> 00:21:35,700 ARE BEING MADE ON. 739 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:37,400 I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 740 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:37,800 TRANSPARENCY. 741 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,800 I'M TALKING ABOUT MAKING IT 742 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:41,233 UNDERSTANDABLE. 743 00:21:41,233 --> 00:21:43,866 THE REPORTING ON IT FROM MEDIA 744 00:21:43,866 --> 00:21:45,866 IS VARIED BECAUSE THERE ARE SO 745 00:21:45,866 --> 00:21:48,200 MANY SOURCES OF INFORMATION. 746 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,366 IT'S DIFFICULT FOR OUR CITIZENS 747 00:21:50,366 --> 00:21:52,066 TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS CORRECT, 748 00:21:52,066 --> 00:21:54,766 WHAT IS NOT, IT CHANGES 749 00:21:54,766 --> 00:21:55,166 CONSTANTLY. 750 00:21:55,166 --> 00:21:56,733 I LOOKED AT SIX DIFFERENT 751 00:21:56,733 --> 00:21:58,966 STUDIES ON THE USE OF MASKS 752 00:21:58,966 --> 00:22:01,900 ALONE WITHIN THREE WEEKS OF 753 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:02,733 THEIR PUBLICATION. 754 00:22:02,733 --> 00:22:04,500 SO TRYING TO FIND A WAY FOR THE 755 00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:06,700 GOVERNOR, LEGISLATURES FOR THE 756 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,866 MEDIA TO STREAM LINE MIGHT BE 757 00:22:10,866 --> 00:22:12,600 THE WRONG WORD BUT TO GET A 758 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,300 BETTER GIVE A BETTER SENSE TO 759 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:15,000 THE FOLKS THAT THERE IS 760 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,233 INFORMATION THAT'S BEING 761 00:22:16,233 --> 00:22:16,900 STUDIED. 762 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:19,000 IF IT'S FOUND TO BE WRONG LATER 763 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,933 THAT IS OKAY. 764 00:22:19,933 --> 00:22:20,533 OWN IT. 765 00:22:20,533 --> 00:22:22,366 AND SAY LOOK WE MADE SOME 766 00:22:22,366 --> 00:22:23,500 DECISIONS BASED ON THE BEST 767 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:25,466 INFORMATION TO US AVAILABLE TO 768 00:22:25,466 --> 00:22:26,833 US AND IT'S CHANGED. 769 00:22:26,833 --> 00:22:28,666 THIS IS RAPIDLY GOING. 770 00:22:28,666 --> 00:22:29,700 I THINK PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND 771 00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:30,100 THAT. 772 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:31,800 SO IT'S COMMUNICATION. 773 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,933 TRYING TO MAKE IT AS UNABLE AS 774 00:22:33,933 --> 00:22:34,633 POSSIBLE. 775 00:22:34,633 --> 00:22:35,766 AND MAKING IT AVAILABLE FOR 776 00:22:35,766 --> 00:22:39,600 PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THEMSELVES. 777 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,833 >> ZOE WE HAVE THREE MINUTES 778 00:22:40,833 --> 00:22:42,066 LEFT AND WE ARE GOING TO DO AN 779 00:22:42,066 --> 00:22:44,300 OVER TIME SEGMENT SO DON'T 780 00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:47,933 ANYBODY RUN AWAY GO AHEAD Z. 781 00:22:47,933 --> 00:22:49,466 SOUNDS GOOD AND JOHN YOU 782 00:22:49,466 --> 00:22:51,600 YOURSELF WERE A LEGISLATURE AND 783 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,433 WORKED IN THE LEGISLATURE WHERE 784 00:22:55,433 --> 00:22:57,100 OF COURSE GUNS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED 785 00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:59,300 FOR A LONG TIME AND REALLY KIND 786 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,533 OF BECAME THE HEADLINE LAST WEEK 787 00:23:01,533 --> 00:23:02,466 DURING THE PROTEST. 788 00:23:02,466 --> 00:23:04,833 THERE WERE PHOTOS AND TWEETS OF 789 00:23:04,833 --> 00:23:06,700 LAWMAKERS WHO SAID THEY WERE 790 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:08,300 WEARING BULLETPROOF VESTS 791 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:09,700 BECAUSE THEY WERE SCARED OR 792 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:10,766 CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. 793 00:23:10,766 --> 00:23:12,566 I'M WONDERING ABOUT YOU HAVING 794 00:23:12,566 --> 00:23:14,266 YOU KNOW HAD A DESK IN ONE OF 795 00:23:14,266 --> 00:23:16,000 THOSE CHAMBERS YOUR THOUGHTS 796 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,133 ABOUT GUNS AND WHAT YOU SAW LAST 797 00:23:18,133 --> 00:23:21,366 WEEK AS GUN OR PROTESTERS CAME 798 00:23:21,366 --> 00:23:23,133 INTO THE CAPITOL? 799 00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:24,333 >> I CAN TELL YOU ZOE AS A 800 00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:27,033 MEMBER ON DAYS WHEN OPEN CARRY 801 00:23:27,033 --> 00:23:29,900 SUPPORTERS WOULD APPEAR ON THE 802 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:31,333 CAPITOL COMPLEX I NEVER DID FEAR 803 00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:32,100 FOR MY SAFETY. 804 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:33,300 I CAN'T SPEAK TO LAST WEEK 805 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:34,266 BECAUSE I WAS NOT THERE. 806 00:23:34,266 --> 00:23:36,200 I SAW THE SAME PICTURES YOU DID. 807 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,933 SOME DON'T LOOK GOOD BUT I NEVER 808 00:23:37,933 --> 00:23:42,766 DID FEEL THREATENED OR UNSAFE. 809 00:23:42,766 --> 00:23:45,266 I THINK IT MUDDLES THE MESSAGE. 810 00:23:45,266 --> 00:23:46,733 PEOPLE WERE THERE TO TALK A BIT 811 00:23:46,733 --> 00:23:48,700 ABOUT THEIR CONCERN WITH THE 812 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:50,233 EXECUTIVE ORDER, THE IMPACT ON 813 00:23:50,233 --> 00:23:51,633 THEIR PERSONAL RIGHTS, THEIR 814 00:23:51,633 --> 00:23:54,033 BUSINESS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 815 00:23:54,033 --> 00:23:57,466 AND THE FOCUS BECOMES SOMETHING 816 00:23:57,466 --> 00:23:58,600 DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THAT. 817 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,400 I'LL DEPEND EVERY SINGLE 818 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,800 PERSON'S RIGHT TO PROTEST. 819 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,033 IT'S JUST A SIGNIFICANT PART OF 820 00:24:04,033 --> 00:24:05,866 OUR DEMOCRACY. 821 00:24:05,866 --> 00:24:09,000 BUT I JUST FRANKLY I JUST DON'T 822 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,700 UNDERSTAND CARRYING THE GUNS 823 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:13,100 INTO THE CAPITOL I'M NOT SURE 824 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:14,866 THE POINT THAT IS BEING MADE 825 00:24:14,866 --> 00:24:16,566 THERE AND TAKES AWAY FROM THE 826 00:24:16,566 --> 00:24:18,033 MORE IMPORTANT MESSAGE. 827 00:24:18,033 --> 00:24:19,766 SAFETY, I CAN TELL YOU I ALWAYS 828 00:24:19,766 --> 00:24:21,266 FELT SAFE. 829 00:24:21,266 --> 00:24:22,833 THE SERGEANT AT ARMS, THE POLICE 830 00:24:22,833 --> 00:24:24,733 IS THERE, PEOPLE WERE ALWAYS 831 00:24:24,733 --> 00:24:26,233 WELL MANNERED BUT IT HAS BEEN 832 00:24:26,233 --> 00:24:28,433 SEVERAL YEARS SINCE I'VE SERVED. 833 00:24:28,433 --> 00:24:32,533 >> SO WOULD YOU BAN THEM? 834 00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:33,833 >> THAT IS A LOADED QUESTION, 835 00:24:33,833 --> 00:24:37,033 TIM. 836 00:24:37,033 --> 00:24:38,233 I WOULDN'T. 837 00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:41,066 IT'S PERMISSIBLE UNDER LAW. 838 00:24:41,066 --> 00:24:45,166 BUT IT'S STILL TROUBLING. 839 00:24:45,166 --> 00:24:46,866 THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT ANSWER 840 00:24:46,866 --> 00:24:47,766 FOR ME TO GIVE YOU. 841 00:24:47,766 --> 00:24:49,200 OPEN CARRY IS ALLOWED IN 842 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:49,533 MICHIGAN. 843 00:24:49,533 --> 00:24:51,200 THERE HAS NOT BENNY INCIDENT 844 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,733 THAT I'M AWARE OF AGAIN I WAS 845 00:24:52,733 --> 00:24:55,266 NOT THERE LAST WEEK BUT AT THIS 846 00:24:55,266 --> 00:24:56,800 PRESENT TIME I THINK IT REQUIRES 847 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:03,266 A WHOLISTIC AND DO YOU TAKE A 848 00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:04,900 LOOK AT CONCEALED WEAPONS AND A 849 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:05,933 VARIETY OF DECISIONS THAT OUGHT 850 00:25:05,933 --> 00:25:06,933 TO TAKE PLACE. 851 00:25:06,933 --> 00:25:08,566 PERHAPS NOT RIGHT NOW BUT PRETTY 852 00:25:08,566 --> 00:25:10,166 QUICKLY ABOUT WHAT TO DO MOVING 853 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:11,066 FORWARD. 854 00:25:11,066 --> 00:25:12,266 >> BILL, IF YOU GOT A QUICK 855 00:25:12,266 --> 00:25:13,666 QUESTION HERE IS THE PLACE TO 856 00:25:13,666 --> 00:25:15,733 ASK IT. 857 00:25:15,733 --> 00:25:18,333 >> HOW MUCH ANXIETY IN THE 858 00:25:18,333 --> 00:25:20,400 WORKFORCE AND THE MANUFACTURING 859 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,600 SECTOR IS THERE ABOUT GOING BACK 860 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,633 TO WORK? 861 00:25:22,633 --> 00:25:24,166 HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE FACT 862 00:25:24,166 --> 00:25:25,466 THEY COULD BE SAFE AT HOME 863 00:25:25,466 --> 00:25:29,666 WITH UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION 864 00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:31,100 AND NOT NEED TO GO TO WORK? 865 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:33,166 >> THERE IS SOME ANXIETY IN OUR 866 00:25:33,166 --> 00:25:34,433 MEMBERSHIP WHEN THEY START TO 867 00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:36,233 CALL FOLKS BACK BECAUSE OF THE 868 00:25:36,233 --> 00:25:38,066 FEDERAL EXTRA 600 PER WEEK. 869 00:25:38,066 --> 00:25:39,566 WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME 870 00:25:39,566 --> 00:25:42,000 METHODOLOGIES WITH LEO WITH JEFF 871 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,800 DONAFRIO AND AS WELL AS MEMBERS 872 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,200 TO FIND A WAY TO GET PEOPLE BACK 873 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,300 THAT WILL BE MORE ECONOMICALLY 874 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:50,533 BALANCED AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT 875 00:25:50,533 --> 00:25:51,433 MONTH OR SO. 876 00:25:51,433 --> 00:25:54,033 THAT THAT FEDERAL BENEFIT 877 00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:54,400 CONTINUES. 878 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,666 BUT THERE IS SOME CONCERN. 879 00:25:56,666 --> 00:25:58,333 TO COUNTER THAT AT LEAST ON THE 880 00:25:58,333 --> 00:26:00,600 SAFETY PERSPECTIVE EMPLOYERS ARE 881 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,866 ALREADY COMMUNICATING WITH THEIR 882 00:26:01,866 --> 00:26:03,100 EMPLOYEES ABOUT THE MEASURES 883 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:04,333 THAT WILL BE IN PLACE TO ASSURE 884 00:26:04,333 --> 00:26:05,133 THEIR SAFETY. 885 00:26:05,133 --> 00:26:06,333 THEY CAN CONTROL THAT. 886 00:26:06,333 --> 00:26:09,000 THE ECONOMIC PIECE, THE FEDERAL 887 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,433 STIMULUS, THAT'S A BIT OUT OF 888 00:26:10,433 --> 00:26:11,366 THEIR CONTROL. 889 00:26:11,366 --> 00:26:12,533 THAT IS WHY WE ARE AS AN 890 00:26:12,533 --> 00:26:13,766 ASSOCIATION WORKING WITH THE 891 00:26:13,766 --> 00:26:15,400 STATE TO TRY AND FIND ANOTHER 892 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,333 ANSWER TO THAT. 893 00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:19,266 >> GOOD MR. WALSH SIT TIGHT WE 894 00:26:19,266 --> 00:26:21,100 ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK 895 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,766 FOR CLOSED CREDITS EVERYBODY 896 00:26:23,766 --> 00:26:28,366 ELSE GO TO WKAR.ORG FOR A 897 00:26:28,366 --> 00:26:29,300 CONVERSATION WITH THE HEAD OF 898 00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:30,933 THE MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION 899 00:26:30,933 --> 00:26:36,066 WITH MR. CLARK, MR. STOKES AND 900 00:26:36,066 --> 00:26:37,433 MR. 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