WEBVTT 00:00.100 --> 00:04.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% WELCOME BACK OUR GUEST IS 00:04.000 --> 00:07.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% JOCELYN BENSON THE ATTORNEY 00:07.400 --> 00:09.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% GENERAL UPDATES THREE 00:09.400 --> 00:11.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% INVESTIGATIONS ON THE PANEL 00:11.600 --> 00:13.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% JONATHAN OOSTING ALETHIA KASBEN 00:13.800 --> 00:16.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CHAD LIVENGOOD SIT IN WITH US AS 00:16.033 --> 00:18.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WE GET THE INSIDE OUT OFF THE 00:18.133 --> 00:18.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:17.5% RECORD. 00:18.433 --> 00:19.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% "PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 00:19.133 --> 00:25.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY A 00:25.966 --> 00:29.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% GRANT FROM VAN GUARD PROVIDEL 00:29.100 --> 00:30.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% COUNCIL TO LEADERS IN THE PUBLIC 00:30.900 --> 00:33.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% AND PRIVATE SECTORS VAN GUARD 00:33.033 --> 00:35.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% PUBLIC AFFAIRS SPECIALIZES IN 00:35.400 --> 00:36.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS ISSUE 00:36.866 --> 00:38.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% MANAGEMENT PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND 00:38.700 --> 00:39.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% REPUTATION MANAGEMENT SERVICES 00:39.933 --> 00:44.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% FOR COMMUNICATION AND LEADERS IN 00:44.000 --> 00:47.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE MIDWEST VAN GUARD-PA.COM AND 00:47.866 --> 00:49.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE 00:49.833 --> 00:51.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK. 00:51.500 --> 00:52.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH WELCOME 00:52.366 --> 00:54.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% TO OFF THE RECORD A BUSY BUSY 00:54.300 --> 00:58.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% WEEK DANA NESSEL MAKING SOME 00:58.400 --> 00:59.433 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% HEADLINES WHAT WAS THE LEAD OFF 00:59.433 --> 01:00.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:45% OF THAT YESTERDAY? 01:00.533 --> 01:01.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> WHERE DO YOU WANT TO START 01:01.900 --> 01:02.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:7.5% AT? 01:02.566 --> 01:04.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> GIVE ME THE MOST OBVIOUSLY 01:04.766 --> 01:06.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL PIECE WAS 01:06.766 --> 01:08.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:47.5% THE CATHOLIC PIECE. 01:08.700 --> 01:09.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> BASICALLY WENT TO WAR WITH 01:09.833 --> 01:11.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ACCUSING THE 01:11.500 --> 01:14.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% CHURCH OF GOING AROUND INTO 01:14.200 --> 01:15.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% POTENTIAL VICTIMS OF SEXUAL 01:15.900 --> 01:17.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ABUSE AND TELLING THEM TO TRYING 01:17.900 --> 01:19.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:47.5% TO GET THEM TO SIGN 01:19.900 --> 01:20.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS. 01:20.966 --> 01:22.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% SHE MADE THIS LINE I THINK WE 01:22.333 --> 01:23.900 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% WILL BE TALKING ABOUT FOR MAYBE 01:23.900 --> 01:25.866 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% YEARS TO COME WHERE SHE SAID IF 01:25.866 --> 01:27.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% SOMEONE COMES TO YOUR DOOR ASK 01:27.433 --> 01:29.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% THEM TO SEE THEIR BADGE NOT 01:29.200 --> 01:31.466 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THEIR ROSERY WHICH IS SORT OF A 01:31.466 --> 01:34.633 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% REAL SHOT ACROSS THE BOW AT THE 01:34.633 --> 01:41.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% AFTERNOON DIACEE OF DETROIT. 01:41.766 --> 01:43.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> THEY DID NOT DENY YOU KNOW 01:43.300 --> 01:44.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THEY ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO 01:44.700 --> 01:47.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% SIGN NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS, 01:47.733 --> 01:52.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THERE ARE SEVERAL ARCHDIOCESE 01:52.433 --> 01:53.866 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AND NOT CLEAR WHICH ONE SHE WAS 01:53.866 --> 01:55.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% TALKING ABOUT NECESSARILY BUT 01:55.033 --> 01:56.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% REACTION FROM THE CHURCH IS 01:56.233 --> 01:57.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% BASICALLY THIS IS NOT A BIG 01:57.433 --> 01:59.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ISSUE FOR US, WE HAVE NOT BEEN 01:59.033 --> 02:00.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% YOU KNOW SELF POLICING IN THE 02:00.400 --> 02:03.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WAY SHE IS ACCUSING US OF AND 02:03.033 --> 02:04.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THEY CLAIM THEY WANT TO YOU KNOW 02:04.633 --> 02:06.833 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% HELP SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TOO BUT 02:06.833 --> 02:09.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% CERTAINLY AN AGGRESSIVE STANCE 02:09.033 --> 02:10.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% FROM NESSEL WHICH SHE TOOK 02:10.700 --> 02:12.066 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AGAINST MICHIGAN STATE AS WELL, 02:12.066 --> 02:13.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SHE COMPARED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 02:13.800 --> 02:15.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% AND MICHIGAN STATE SAYING THEY 02:15.433 --> 02:17.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ARE BOTH NOT BEING COMPLETELY 02:17.100 --> 02:17.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:42.5% FORTHCOMING HERE. 02:17.733 --> 02:20.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% SHE STILL JUST LIKE FORMER 02:20.266 --> 02:21.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL SCHUETTE 02:21.266 --> 02:23.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% WAS AT WAR WITH THE UNIVERSITY 02:23.300 --> 02:24.533 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% OVER A SERIES OF DOCUMENTS THAT 02:24.533 --> 02:26.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% THE UNIVERSITY HAS NOT YET 02:26.200 --> 02:28.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% TURNED OVER AS PART OF THE LARRY 02:28.900 --> 02:31.033 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% NASSAR INVESTIGATION, THOSE ARE 02:31.033 --> 02:32.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% JUST YOU KNOW TWO OF THE 02:32.833 --> 02:34.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% HEADLINES, AND PROBABLY SEVEN OR 02:34.666 --> 02:36.233 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% EIGHT HEADLINES THAT COULD COME 02:36.233 --> 02:37.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:30% OUT OF THIS. 02:37.700 --> 02:39.766 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> 6,000 PIECES OF EVIDENCE SHE 02:39.766 --> 02:40.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% WILL NOT SEE WHAT DID YOU MAKE 02:40.900 --> 02:42.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% OF HER PERFORMANCE YESTERDAY? 02:42.800 --> 02:44.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> WELL YOU KNOW SHE SAID HE 02:44.000 --> 02:45.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% BACK TO THE MSU YOU KNOW SHE 02:45.900 --> 02:47.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% URGED THE BOARD OF TRUSTIES TO 02:47.600 --> 02:49.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% WITH THE NEW MAKEUP OF THE BOARD 02:49.333 --> 02:51.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% TO POTENTIALLY GET THESE 02:51.433 --> 02:52.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:55% DOCUMENTS BACK TO HER. 02:52.733 --> 02:54.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:55% >> DO THE RIGHT THING. 02:54.000 --> 02:55.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS URGING SO 02:55.266 --> 02:57.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% WE WILL SEE WITH THIS NEW MAKEUP 02:57.066 --> 02:59.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% IF THEY WILL TAKE A STEP IN THAT 02:59.966 --> 03:00.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:25% DIRECTION. 03:00.266 --> 03:02.933 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE OF THE 03:02.933 --> 03:04.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% STORY THE JUDGE SAID THAT IS 03:04.466 --> 03:05.433 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% PRIVILEGED INFORMATION AND WHEN 03:05.433 --> 03:08.000 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% A JUDGE SAID THAT AS MS. NESSEL 03:08.000 --> 03:09.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SAID THERE IS NO RECOURSE I HAVE 03:09.633 --> 03:10.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% OTHER THAN TO COMPLAIN AND BEG 03:10.800 --> 03:11.900 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THEM TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION 03:11.900 --> 03:13.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% BUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 03:13.966 --> 03:14.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% BASICALLY SAID EVERYTHING SHE 03:14.833 --> 03:16.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% SAID WAS NOT ACCURATE ALMOST. 03:16.733 --> 03:18.233 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> YEAH, I MEAN THAT IS THE WAY 03:18.233 --> 03:20.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% YOU READ THE STATEMENT SO I'LL 03:20.133 --> 03:22.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% HAVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, MISS 03:22.733 --> 03:24.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% NESSEL HAS NOT BEEN GIVING A LOT 03:24.833 --> 03:25.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% OF INTERVIEWS AT ALL. 03:25.733 --> 03:27.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% AND SO THEY HELD THIS YOU KNOW 03:27.700 --> 03:33.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SORT OF SMORGAS BOARD CONFERENCE 03:33.433 --> 03:36.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% I CALLED IT UNWIELDY AND THINGS 03:36.800 --> 03:38.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THEY WANTED TO JAM IN ONE BIG 03:38.433 --> 03:39.866 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% SESSION AND WENT ON FOR AN HOUR 03:39.866 --> 03:43.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% AND A HALF OR MORE AND HAVING 03:43.533 --> 03:44.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% TALKED ABOUT THE THIRD SUBJECT 03:44.800 --> 03:46.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% AND THAT WAS THE FLINT WATER 03:46.366 --> 03:49.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% CRISIS INVESTIGATION. 03:49.533 --> 03:51.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% SHE HAS TURNED OVER THE ENTIRE 03:51.666 --> 03:52.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% INVESTIGATION TO THE SOLICITOR 03:52.900 --> 03:57.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% GENERAL HAMOOD WHO TOOK OFFICE 03:57.500 --> 03:59.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% RECENTLY AND NOW THEY BROUGHT IN 03:59.333 --> 04:00.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% WAYNE COUNTY PROSECUTOR KIM 04:00.800 --> 04:01.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% WORTHY AS PART OF THE 04:01.966 --> 04:04.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% PROSECUTION TEAM AND KIND OF 04:04.833 --> 04:06.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% MOLDED THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR 04:06.466 --> 04:08.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% BILL SCHUETTE THE FORMER 04:08.933 --> 04:12.466 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% ATTORNEY GENERAL KIND OF VOTED. 04:12.466 --> 04:12.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:27.5% >> KIND OF. 04:12.866 --> 04:15.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> AND TODD FLOOD AND CRITICIZED 04:15.666 --> 04:17.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% HOW SCHUETTE WENT ABOUT THE 04:17.666 --> 04:19.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% INVESTIGATION FARMING OUT THE 04:19.300 --> 04:21.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% OPERATION THE 2.6 MILLION A YEAR 04:21.300 --> 04:25.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% CONTRACT TO TODD FLOOD'S LAW 04:25.800 --> 04:27.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% FIRM AND SEPARATING IT FROM THE 04:27.800 --> 04:29.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND 04:29.766 --> 04:31.633 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DANA NESSEL SAID THIS THING WAS 04:31.633 --> 04:33.400 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% VIRTUALLY UNPOLICED AND STAFFED 04:33.400 --> 04:35.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% AND VERY LITTLE OVERSIGHT AND 04:35.700 --> 04:37.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WHAT CAME OUT THE ONLY PERSON 04:37.566 --> 04:39.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THAT HAD DIRECT OVERSIGHT OF THE 04:39.466 --> 04:40.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% THING WAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL 04:40.800 --> 04:42.333 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AND BILL SCHUETTE WHICH IS KIND 04:42.333 --> 04:44.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% OF IMPLYING BILL SCHUETTE WAS 04:44.166 --> 04:45.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:42.5% NOT WELL ON DUTY. 04:45.900 --> 04:47.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> THIS WHOLE THING OF COURSE IS 04:47.600 --> 04:48.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% COMPLICATED BY THE FACT THAT THE 04:48.966 --> 04:50.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WAS 04:50.000 --> 04:52.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% ALSO DEFENDING THE STATE AND 04:52.200 --> 04:53.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% CIVIL LAWSUITS SO SCHUETTE 04:53.600 --> 04:54.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CREATED A FIREWALL AND ACCORDING 04:54.933 --> 04:57.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% TO HIS TOP AID SOME BASICALLY 04:57.966 --> 04:59.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% BECAUSE THAT CAME FIRST 04:59.800 --> 05:00.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% EVERYBODY IN THE ATTORNEY 05:00.866 --> 05:02.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% GENERAL'S OFFICE HAD TO BE ON 05:02.966 --> 05:04.500 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THE CIVIL SIDE THE DEFENSE SIDE 05:04.500 --> 05:06.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% OF THE FIREWALL OR ONE OF THE 05:06.766 --> 05:07.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:15% OTHER. 05:07.100 --> 05:08.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% >> BECAUSE OF CONFLICT OF 05:08.400 --> 05:09.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:22.5% INTEREST. 05:09.133 --> 05:09.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND 05:09.833 --> 05:11.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SCHUETTE WAS ONE OF THE FEW THAT 05:11.066 --> 05:12.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WENT ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE, OF 05:12.566 --> 05:13.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% COURSE THE ISSUE THAT NESSEL 05:13.766 --> 05:16.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% RAISED IS ONCE SCHUETTE LEAVES 05:16.266 --> 05:17.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% WHO IN THE OFFICE STILL HAS 05:17.766 --> 05:18.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:47.5% AUTHORITY OVER THIS 05:18.700 --> 05:19.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:35% INVESTIGATION. 05:19.200 --> 05:21.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> WE HAVE A SET UP PIECE ON THE 05:21.433 --> 05:23.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% FLINT PIECE LET'S TAKE A LOOK 05:23.700 --> 05:25.300 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DEMOCRAT DANA NESSEL WAS HIGHLY 05:25.300 --> 05:26.833 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% CRITICAL OF REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY 05:26.833 --> 05:28.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% GENERAL BILL SCHUETTE FOR 05:28.333 --> 05:29.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% FARMING OUT THE FLINT WATER 05:29.966 --> 05:31.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% PROSECUTION AND INVESTIGATION TO 05:31.400 --> 05:32.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:47.5% A PRIVATE ATTORNEY. 05:32.766 --> 05:34.900 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% TODD FLOOD WHO BILLED THE STATE 05:34.900 --> 05:36.633 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR HIS 05:36.633 --> 05:38.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% SERVICES WITHOUT ANY STATE 05:38.366 --> 05:39.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% OVERSIGHT ACCORDING TO THE NEW 05:39.633 --> 05:40.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:7.5% AG. 05:40.366 --> 05:42.000 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% SHE NOW REPORTS THAT HER OFFICE 05:42.000 --> 05:44.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% HAS TAKEN FULL CONTROL OF THAT 05:44.100 --> 05:45.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION 05:45.500 --> 05:47.533 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AND WILL HIRE MR. FLOOD TO HELP 05:47.533 --> 05:48.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:10% OUT. 05:48.033 --> 05:50.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% AS FOR MR. SCHUETTE'S ORIGINAL 05:50.166 --> 05:52.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% DECISION TO HIRE MR. FLOOD IN 05:52.433 --> 05:54.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THE FIRST PLACE SHE CALLS IT 05:54.400 --> 05:54.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:20% BIZARRE. 05:54.700 --> 05:56.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> IT WAS BIZARRE TO ME THAT YOU 05:56.200 --> 05:57.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% WOULD FARM OUT SOME OF THE 05:57.500 --> 05:58.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% BIGGEST PROSECUTIONS THAT WE'VE 05:58.800 --> 06:00.600 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% EVER HAD IN THE HISTORY OF THIS 06:00.600 --> 06:03.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% STATE TO A PRIVATE FIRM WITH 06:03.966 --> 06:06.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% VIRTUALLY NO OVERSIGHT BY THE 06:06.133 --> 06:09.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% OFFICE OF MICHIGAN ATTORNEY 06:09.100 --> 06:09.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:20% GENERAL. 06:09.433 --> 06:10.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> Reporter: MS. NESSEL HIRED 06:10.233 --> 06:11.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% THIS WOMAN TO BE SOLICITING 06:11.866 --> 06:13.500 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% GENERAL TO LEAD THE FLINT WATER 06:13.500 --> 06:15.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% INVESTIGATION SO FAR IN THAT 06:15.366 --> 06:16.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% INVESTIGATION FORMER GOVERNOR 06:16.700 --> 06:18.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% RICK SNYDER HAS NOT BEEN 06:18.466 --> 06:19.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% IMPLICATED IN ANY MISTAKES MADE 06:19.733 --> 06:22.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% IN THE CRISIS SO DOES THIS NEW 06:22.233 --> 06:23.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% INVESTIGATOR WANT TO INTERVIEW 06:23.400 --> 06:25.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE GOVERNOR AGAIN SHE SAID IT'S 06:25.700 --> 06:27.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% PREMATURE BUT ADDS THIS. 06:27.366 --> 06:28.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> ANYBODY WHO WE AS A TEAM 06:28.766 --> 06:31.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% BELIEVE IS CRIMINALLY 06:31.600 --> 06:34.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% RESPONSIBLE IN THIS CASE OR 06:34.266 --> 06:36.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% SHOULD BE INTERVIEWED WILL BE 06:36.533 --> 06:38.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:30% INTERVIEWED. 06:38.766 --> 06:41.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WITH NO SPECIFIC NAMES AS YOU 06:41.600 --> 06:44.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% KNOW NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW AND 06:44.100 --> 06:45.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THIS CASE 06:45.500 --> 06:47.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% WILL BE INVESTIGATED AND WE WILL 06:47.366 --> 06:48.933 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DO ALL THE INTERVIEWS NECESSARY 06:48.933 --> 06:50.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:27.5% IF NEED BE. 06:50.033 --> 06:51.466 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> MEANWHILE THE STATE'S FORMER 06:51.466 --> 06:52.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% WELFARE DIRECTOR NICK LION AND 06:52.800 --> 06:54.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% THE STATE'S CHIEF MEDICAL 06:54.566 --> 06:56.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% OFFICER DOCTOR WELLS ARE STILL 06:56.400 --> 06:58.400 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES HAS THE 06:58.400 --> 07:00.600 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% STATE CONSIDERED DROPPING THEM? 07:00.600 --> 07:02.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% BUT YOU HAVE NOT CONSIDERED EVEN 07:02.466 --> 07:03.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THOUGHT ABOUT DROPPING THOSE 07:03.933 --> 07:04.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:20% CHARGES. 07:04.433 --> 07:05.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% >> THE ONLY THING WE'VE 07:05.833 --> 07:07.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% CONSIDERED RIGHT NOW IS DOING 07:07.200 --> 07:08.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% OUR ALL TO MAKE SURE THAT 07:08.866 --> 07:10.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% JUSTICE IS ENSURED IN THIS CASE. 07:10.166 --> 07:11.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> AND MIGHT THAT BE ON THE 07:11.833 --> 07:13.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:50% TABLE DOWN THE ROAD? 07:13.566 --> 07:15.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING IS OFF 07:15.666 --> 07:17.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE TABLE AND CAN'T SAY ANYTHING 07:17.066 --> 07:18.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% IS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. 07:18.600 --> 07:20.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> AS FOR AN END TO THE FLINT 07:20.600 --> 07:21.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% INVESTIGATION THERE APPEARS TO 07:21.900 --> 07:23.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:47.5% BE NO END IN SIGHT. 07:23.633 --> 07:25.366 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AT LEAST I WAS SORT OF THINKING 07:25.366 --> 07:26.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% WE WERE WINDING DOWN ON THE 07:26.800 --> 07:29.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% FLINT INVESTIGATION APPARENTLY 07:29.666 --> 07:30.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:10% NOT. 07:30.200 --> 07:31.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:55% >> APPARENTLY NOT, NO. 07:31.133 --> 07:33.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% AND WE LIKE YOU SAID THERE WE 07:33.266 --> 07:36.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% DON'T KNOW IF NICK LION AND EDEN 07:36.066 --> 07:37.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% CHARGES WILL BE DROPPED, WHAT 07:37.200 --> 07:39.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WILL HAPPEN THERE BUT ANOTHER 07:39.033 --> 07:40.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THING DANA NESSEL SAID AT THE 07:40.500 --> 07:41.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% PRESS CONFERENCE SHE WILL BE 07:41.933 --> 07:43.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WORKING ON THE CIVIL SIDE AND 07:43.300 --> 07:45.066 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% SHE IS CONSIDERING A SETTLEMENT 07:45.066 --> 07:47.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE -- THAT 07:47.433 --> 07:48.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:35% WOULD BE HUGE. 07:48.333 --> 07:49.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF 07:49.500 --> 07:50.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% PLAINTIFFS, THERE ARE CASES IN 07:50.933 --> 07:52.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% FEDERAL COURT AND THE COURT OF 07:52.833 --> 07:54.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% CLAIMS AND YOU KNOW IF THERE 07:54.866 --> 07:56.200 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% WERE A SETTLEMENT THAT COULD BE 07:56.200 --> 07:58.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:50% A REALLY BIG NUMBER. 07:58.500 --> 08:01.900 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> ONE THING THAT THE SOLICITOR 08:01.900 --> 08:03.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% GENERAL SAID WAS THAT THERE WILL 08:03.366 --> 08:06.600 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% BE SOME CHARGES THAT HAVE TO BE 08:06.600 --> 08:08.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ADJOURNED, HAVE TO BE IS THE WAY 08:08.000 --> 08:10.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SHE PHRASED IT AND THAT SUGGESTS 08:10.400 --> 08:12.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THAT THERE ARE PARTS OF THESE 08:12.133 --> 08:14.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CASES THAT WERE YOU KNOW MOUNTED 08:14.466 --> 08:20.466 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% BY BILL SCHUETTE AND TODD FLOOD 08:20.466 --> 08:21.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% TOSSED OUT AND WE DON'T KNOW 08:21.600 --> 08:23.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% WHICH ONES BUT THE BIG HUGE 08:23.533 --> 08:25.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% CASES AND HAVE BEEN A BUNCH OF 08:25.333 --> 08:28.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% PLEA DEALS WITH LOWER LEVEL 08:28.300 --> 08:29.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% BUREAUCRATS OF ENVIRONMENTAL 08:29.533 --> 08:30.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% QUALITY AND HEALTH AND HUMAN 08:30.700 --> 08:31.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% SERVICES BUT THE BIG ONES ARE 08:31.600 --> 08:33.866 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THE MANSLAUGHTER CASES OVER THE 08:33.866 --> 08:35.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% LEGIONNAIRES OUT BREAK AGAINST 08:35.533 --> 08:37.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% NICK LIONS AGAINST EDEN WELLS 08:37.700 --> 08:39.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% AND THE TWO FORMER EMERGENCY 08:39.600 --> 08:44.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% MANAGERS APPOINTED BY RICK 08:44.866 --> 08:46.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% SNYDER EARLY AND AMBROSE. 08:46.900 --> 08:47.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE 08:47.933 --> 08:49.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:42.5% COMMENTS ON THIS? 08:49.333 --> 08:50.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> WE WILL GIVE EVERYTHING A 08:50.533 --> 08:52.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% FRESH LOOK THAT INCLUDES WHETHER 08:52.900 --> 08:54.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% TO EXPAND THE INVESTIGATION OR 08:54.733 --> 08:57.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WHETHER IT ADDS SOME CRIMINAL 08:57.633 --> 08:58.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% PROSECUTION AND REMEMBER THE 08:58.600 --> 09:00.166 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THEORY AT LEAST AROUND TOWN WAS 09:00.166 --> 09:01.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THAT BILL SCHUETTE WAS TRYING TO 09:01.533 --> 09:03.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% GET HIGHER AND HIGHER FISH TO 09:03.600 --> 09:05.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% ROLL UP ROLL UP ROLL UP 09:05.600 --> 09:07.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% POTENTIALLY YOU KNOW COULD GO 09:07.733 --> 09:09.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP TO THE 09:09.633 --> 09:10.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% GOVERNOR AND HASN'T HAPPENED 09:10.966 --> 09:13.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% NICK LION AND EDEN WELLS ARE 09:13.633 --> 09:16.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DEFENDING THEMSELVES VIGOROUSLY 09:16.800 --> 09:18.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% AND SORT OF WHERE THE 09:18.133 --> 09:20.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% INVESTIGATION AS HIGH AS THAT 09:20.266 --> 09:21.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% INVESTIGATION WAS GOING TO GET 09:21.100 --> 09:22.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% AND SEE IF THE NEW ATTORNEY 09:22.666 --> 09:24.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% GENERAL AND HER NEW TEAM WITH 09:24.033 --> 09:26.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% KIM WORTHY HAVE A NEW APPROACH 09:26.466 --> 09:28.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% REAL QUICK THEY MARGINALIZED 09:28.666 --> 09:31.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% TODD FLOOD'S ROLE BUT COULD NOT 09:31.733 --> 09:33.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% CUT HIM OUT COMPLETELY. 09:33.766 --> 09:34.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:32.5% >> 6 MILLION. 09:34.933 --> 09:39.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> HE HAS RELATIONSHIPS IN FLINT 09:39.100 --> 09:40.766 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THAT YOU SIMPLY CAN'T REPLICATE 09:40.766 --> 09:42.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% AT THIS POINT, SO YOU KNOW 09:42.466 --> 09:43.533 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% KEEPING HIM AS PART OF THE TEAM 09:43.533 --> 09:44.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% WAS A LOGICAL DECISION. 09:44.900 --> 09:46.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> THEY HAVE NOT FINISHED THE 09:46.100 --> 09:47.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% CONTRACT THOUGH AND HE HAS THE 09:47.333 --> 09:48.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% UPPER HAND BECAUSE HE'S GOT THE 09:48.800 --> 09:50.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% KNOWLEDGE THAT SHE NEEDS IS THAT 09:50.166 --> 09:51.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:50% A FAIR READ OF THAT? 09:51.500 --> 09:54.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> THEY SAID THEY NEEDED HIS 09:54.500 --> 09:55.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. 09:55.266 --> 09:57.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% >> MAY COME AT A PRICE. 09:57.233 --> 09:58.266 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> WE WILL SEE THEY DID NOT SAY 09:58.266 --> 10:00.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% WHAT THE CONTRACT WILL BE 10:00.133 --> 10:02.633 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% RENEGOTIATED AND SUCH BUT YEAH, 10:02.633 --> 10:04.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THEY REALIZE THEY CAN'T JUST 10:04.200 --> 10:04.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:22.5% DUMP HIM. 10:04.666 --> 10:06.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% THE THEORY WAS GOING AROUND IN 10:06.100 --> 10:09.200 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER THAT TODD 10:09.200 --> 10:11.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% FLOOD'S DAYS WERE NUMBERS AND 10:11.200 --> 10:14.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% NUMEROUS RUMORS OF TODD FLOOD 10:14.000 --> 10:15.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% BEING FIRED AND DIDN'T PAN OUT 10:15.200 --> 10:18.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% AND HERE HE IS HE HAS HELD ON TO 10:18.700 --> 10:20.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THIS BUT THREE YEARS IN THIS 10:20.600 --> 10:21.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% INVESTIGATION AND YOU KNOW THE 10:21.933 --> 10:23.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% PEOPLE ARE KIND OF PEOPLE IN 10:23.500 --> 10:25.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% FLINT ARE LOOKING FOR SOME 10:25.100 --> 10:26.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% CLOSURE, THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY 10:26.800 --> 10:28.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% LOOKING FOR SOME JUSTICE HERE. 10:28.300 --> 10:29.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> THE PEOPLE IN FLINT WOULD 10:29.400 --> 10:31.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% LIKE SOMETHING INVOLVING 10:31.200 --> 10:32.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% GOVERNOR SNYDER AM I READING 10:32.433 --> 10:34.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THAT CORRECTLY SOME OF THEM? 10:34.133 --> 10:36.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> YES, I MEAN I WAS AT THE 10:36.933 --> 10:38.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% RALLY WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA BACK 10:38.733 --> 10:41.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% IN THE SPRING OF 2016 WHEN 10:41.533 --> 10:44.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% GOVERNOR SNYDER SHOWED UP 10:44.033 --> 10:45.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% UNEXPECTEDLY TO APOLOGIZE AND 10:45.633 --> 10:47.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THE SCORN FROM THE PEOPLE IN 10:47.033 --> 10:49.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% FLINT AT THAT MOMENT WAS 10:49.133 --> 10:50.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% SOMETHING YOU CAN NEVER REALLY 10:50.533 --> 10:52.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% QUITE DESCRIBE OR REPLICATE SO 10:52.600 --> 10:54.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% YEAH THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT 10:54.166 --> 10:56.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% WANTED TO SEE RICK SNYDER IN 10:56.066 --> 10:56.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:50% HANDCUFFS OVER THIS. 10:56.733 --> 11:00.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> I THINK THE PROSECUTOR TEAM 11:00.000 --> 11:02.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% IS IN A TOUGH SPOT IN THE 11:02.666 --> 11:03.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND 11:03.566 --> 11:05.033 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% PEOPLE SAY THE COSTS ARE OUT OF 11:05.033 --> 11:06.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CONTROL AND SPENDING TOO MUCH WE 11:06.466 --> 11:09.200 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DONE HAVE CONVICTIONS BUT FLINT 11:09.200 --> 11:10.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% RESIDENTS WANT TO SEE 11:10.500 --> 11:11.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CONVICTIONS AND WANT TO SEE SOME 11:11.866 --> 11:13.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT 11:13.200 --> 11:14.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% HAPPENED WHETHER OR NOT THAT 11:14.333 --> 11:16.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 11:16.300 --> 11:17.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% GOVERNOR OR NOT I THINK THEY 11:17.800 --> 11:21.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% WANT TO SEE NICK LION CONVICTED, 11:21.200 --> 11:23.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THEY WERE HAPPY THE ACTIVISTS 11:23.100 --> 11:24.633 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THAT I TALKED TO WHEN I WENT TO 11:24.633 --> 11:26.566 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% COURT TO SEE HIM BOUND OVER FOR 11:26.566 --> 11:27.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:15% TRIAL. 11:27.200 --> 11:28.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE IN 11:28.200 --> 11:29.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% STATE GOVERNMENT AND AROUND 11:29.733 --> 11:31.300 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% STATE GOVERNMENT THAT SAY THESE 11:31.300 --> 11:33.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% CASES ARE SETTING UNPRECEDENTED 11:33.733 --> 11:37.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% YOU KNOW NEW WAYS OF TREATING 11:37.466 --> 11:38.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:40% STATE EMPLOYEES. 11:38.666 --> 11:39.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:47.5% >> CHILLING EFFECT. 11:39.433 --> 11:40.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> CHILLING EFFECT THERE OF 11:40.633 --> 11:42.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% THEIR DECISION MAKING, IF THEY 11:42.533 --> 11:44.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% MAKE A BAD MISTAKE, IF THEY 11:44.533 --> 11:45.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% DECIDE NOT TO TELL THE PUBLIC 11:45.933 --> 11:48.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ABOUT A LEGIONNAIRES OUT BREAK 11:48.766 --> 11:50.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% AND SOMEONE DIES THEY CAN GET 11:50.766 --> 11:52.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CHARGED WITH MANSLAUGHTER VERSUS 11:52.133 --> 11:54.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% IF THEY DID AND SO THAT'S REALLY 11:54.966 --> 11:57.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ONE OF THE LARGER DEBATES THAT 11:57.466 --> 11:58.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:55% IS STILL GOING ON NOW. 11:58.533 --> 11:59.966 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> PIECES AT HAND APPARENTLY ON 11:59.966 --> 12:01.100 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THE EXECUTIVE VOTER BETWEEN THE 12:01.100 --> 12:02.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% GOVERNOR AND THE REPUBLICAN 12:02.866 --> 12:04.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% LEGISLATURE WHAT HAPPENED THIS 12:04.066 --> 12:04.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:12.5% WEEK? 12:04.766 --> 12:06.266 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> GOVERNOR WHITMER RESIGNED OR 12:06.266 --> 12:07.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% SIGNED A NEW EXECUTIVE ORDER 12:07.533 --> 12:10.466 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THAT REORGANIZES THE DEPARTMENT 12:10.466 --> 12:12.600 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND IT 12:12.600 --> 12:15.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% WILL NOW BE THE ENVIRONMENT OF 12:15.900 --> 12:17.066 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% GREAT LAKES AND ENERGY SHE KEPT 12:17.066 --> 12:18.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% IN THE RULES REVIEW AND THE 12:18.500 --> 12:19.866 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% PERMIT REVIEW PANEL SO THAT WAS 12:19.866 --> 12:21.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% THE REASON THAT REPUBLICANS 12:21.400 --> 12:23.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WANTED TO REJECT IT SO NOW IT 12:23.400 --> 12:25.166 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% LOOKS LIKE IT WILL STAY PUT AND 12:25.166 --> 12:27.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% WE WILL HAVE A NEW DEQ. 12:27.100 --> 12:28.100 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> BUT SHE IS STILL WAITING FOR 12:28.100 --> 12:30.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RULING ON 12:30.200 --> 12:32.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% THE TWO PANELS IS SHE NOT. 12:32.333 --> 12:34.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> WAITING FOR A RULING FROM 12:34.500 --> 12:35.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ATTORNEY GENERAL NESSEL TO SAY 12:35.700 --> 12:36.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:45% IF THE BOARDS WERE 12:36.733 --> 12:37.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT AND IF SHE 12:37.900 --> 12:39.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SAYS THEY ARE NOT CONSTITUTIONAL 12:39.133 --> 12:40.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THEN THEY WILL LIKELY GO AWAY OR 12:40.833 --> 12:43.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% PROBABLY GO TO COURT. 12:43.166 --> 12:44.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> APPEASED REPUBLICANS HERE 12:44.300 --> 12:45.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% LEAVING THOSE ON THE BOOKS FOR 12:45.300 --> 12:47.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% NOW BUT SHE STILL GOT AN OPEN 12:47.133 --> 12:48.233 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% REQUEST TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL 12:48.233 --> 12:50.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% AND SHE EVEN SIGNALLED AT HER 12:50.666 --> 12:52.000 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% PRESS CONFERENCE THE OTHER WEEK 12:52.000 --> 12:54.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THAT THERE IS AT LEAST EARLY 12:54.766 --> 12:55.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% INDICATIONS THAT THE ATTORNEY 12:55.666 --> 12:57.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% GENERAL'S OFFICE SUSPECT THAT 12:57.233 --> 12:59.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% THESE THINGS MAY NOT BE 12:59.900 --> 13:00.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% OPERATING WITHIN THE PERIMETERS 13:00.733 --> 13:02.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% OF THE FEDERAL CLEAN AIR AND 13:02.200 --> 13:03.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% CLEAN WATER ACT SO I MEAN THEY 13:03.766 --> 13:05.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% STILL MIGHT YOU KNOW THE STATE 13:05.133 --> 13:07.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% STILL MIGHT TRY AND STOP THE 13:07.766 --> 13:09.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:35% PANELS ANYWAY. 13:09.033 --> 13:10.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> BUT THE ISSUE THIS ISSUE 13:10.500 --> 13:12.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ENDING THE HONEYMOON IS RESOLVED 13:12.866 --> 13:15.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% THE HONEYMOON IS BACK ON OR IF 13:15.933 --> 13:19.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% IT WAS EVER OFF AND DON'T 13:19.066 --> 13:20.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% BELIEVE IT WAS EVER OFF AND THEY 13:20.800 --> 13:21.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:35% GOT AROUND IT. 13:21.933 --> 13:23.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> IT WAS A POWER STRUGGLE NOT 13:23.833 --> 13:25.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% NECESSARILY THEY WERE FEELING 13:25.200 --> 13:27.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% EACH OTHER OUT EARLY TEST AND 13:27.800 --> 13:29.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% BASICALLY I THINK YOU KNOW 13:29.433 --> 13:31.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% EVERYBODY IS GOING TO SORT OF 13:31.133 --> 13:32.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% GET WHAT THEY WANT IN THE END 13:32.800 --> 13:34.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% WHITMER STILL MIGHT YOU KNOW GET 13:34.166 --> 13:39.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% A RULING THAT DELEGITIMIZES 13:39.533 --> 13:41.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THOSE PANELS BUT THE REPUBLICANS 13:41.100 --> 13:43.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% YESTERDAY WERE VERY PRAISE THE 13:43.666 --> 13:45.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% WORD THANK YOU GOVERNOR FOR 13:45.500 --> 13:46.866 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% NEGOTIATING WITH US AND THE ACT 13:46.866 --> 13:51.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% OF BIPARTISANSHIP AND A 13:51.166 --> 13:52.433 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% CONSENSUS THAT HAD BEEN ARRIVED 13:52.433 --> 13:53.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% AT AND CERTAINLY WENT OUT OF 13:53.733 --> 13:55.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% THEIR WAY TO SAY THIS WAS 13:55.866 --> 13:56.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:55% BIPARTISAN IN THE END. 13:56.766 --> 13:57.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> THE RUBBER IS GOING TO HIT 13:57.966 --> 13:59.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THE ROAD NEXT MONTH WHEN THE 13:59.666 --> 14:00.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:30% BUDGET HITS. 14:00.666 --> 14:03.133 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> STAY TUNED WE HAVE PLENTY OF 14:03.133 --> 14:05.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% TIME AND WE WILL CALL IN 14:05.733 --> 14:07.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:40% JOYCELYN BENSON. 14:07.566 --> 14:09.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% WAS ELECTED MICHIGAN SECRETARY 14:09.733 --> 14:11.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% OF STATE LAST NOVEMBER AND A LAW 14:11.566 --> 14:13.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% DEGREE FROM HARVARD EARNED UNDER 14:13.933 --> 14:15.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% GRADUATE FROM WESLEY COLLEGE AND 14:15.966 --> 14:19.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% MASTERS FROM MAGDALYN AND 14:19.166 --> 14:22.466 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% OFFERED A BOOK OF ELECTIONS AND 14:22.466 --> 14:24.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% DEAN OF THE WAYNE STATE LAW 14:24.966 --> 14:27.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SCHOOL GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN ARE 14:27.033 --> 14:29.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:37.5% YOU HAVING FUN. 14:29.533 --> 14:30.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:20% >> I AM. 14:30.000 --> 14:31.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN STOP 14:31.133 --> 14:33.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% THAT SERIOUSLY FIRST QUESTION. 14:33.500 --> 14:34.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% >> A COUPLE WEEKS AGO YOUR 14:34.966 --> 14:38.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% OFFICE LEVIED A 37,500 FINE ON A 14:38.300 --> 14:41.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% GROUP THAT SPENT IN SUPPORT OF 14:41.400 --> 14:42.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% NOW GOVERNOR WHITMER, CAN YOU 14:42.966 --> 14:44.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY YOU 14:44.733 --> 14:46.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THOUGHT THAT THAT FINE WAS AN 14:46.700 --> 14:48.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% APPROPRIATE AMOUNT AS A PENALTY? 14:48.333 --> 14:49.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:50% >> YEAH IT WAS A NEW 14:49.700 --> 14:50.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW THAT 14:50.600 --> 14:51.966 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% WASN'T REALLY IN PLACE OR CLEAR 14:51.966 --> 14:53.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% WHEN THE ACTION THAT WAS THE 14:53.400 --> 14:55.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION 14:55.466 --> 14:57.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% OCCUR SO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER 14:57.200 --> 14:58.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THAT DETERMINING HOW TO ACTUALLY 14:58.500 --> 15:00.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% HAVE TEETH TOO ANY TYPE OF 15:00.200 --> 15:00.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:17.5% RULING. 15:00.833 --> 15:01.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% IMPORTANTLY TRANSPARENCY HAS 15:01.933 --> 15:03.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% BEEN AN IMPORTANT PART OF MY 15:03.166 --> 15:04.433 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% CAREER AND I TALKED A LOT ABOUT 15:04.433 --> 15:06.100 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% HOW WE WANT TO GO FROM WORST TO 15:06.100 --> 15:07.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% FIRST IN THE STATE AND IN 15:07.600 --> 15:09.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% PROMOTING TRANSPARENCY SO I 15:09.166 --> 15:10.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% INTEND TO FULLY CHARGE FORWARD 15:10.966 --> 15:12.666 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AND PROMOTING TRANSCRIPT PAN SI 15:12.666 --> 15:14.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% IN OFFICE AND THIS DECISION 15:14.133 --> 15:15.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% FRANKLY WAS ONE STEP IN THAT 15:15.466 --> 15:16.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% DIRECTION BECAUSE THE NEW 15:16.566 --> 15:17.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% INTERPRETATION THE CLARIFICATION 15:17.433 --> 15:18.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% OF THE LAW THAT WE ISSUED 15:18.700 --> 15:19.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ACTUALLY EXPANDED THE DEFINITION 15:19.966 --> 15:22.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% OF EXPRESSED ADVOCACY TO PROMOTE 15:22.400 --> 15:23.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:45% MORE TRANSPARENCY. 15:23.566 --> 15:25.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THE RESULTING FINE WAS AS THE 15:25.766 --> 15:28.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% LETTER STATED WAS A REFLECTION 15:28.366 --> 15:30.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% OF THE FACT THAT ATTORNEYS OR 15:30.000 --> 15:31.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% OTHERS COULD REASONABLY 15:31.266 --> 15:34.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% DETERMINE THAT THE COMMUNICATION 15:34.633 --> 15:36.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% AT ISSUE WAS NOT EXPRESSED 15:36.500 --> 15:38.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ADVOCACY AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS 15:38.300 --> 15:40.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% DEVELOPED BECAUSE INDEED THE LAW 15:40.066 --> 15:41.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WAS NOT CLEAR AT THAT MOMENT. 15:41.433 --> 15:45.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> WILL A 37,500 FINE REALLY 15:45.666 --> 15:48.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% WILL BE A DETERRENT IN THE 15:48.300 --> 15:50.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% FUTURE THE GROUP SPENT MORE THAN 15:50.100 --> 15:51.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% 2 MILLION I BELIEVE SO THIS IS 15:51.600 --> 15:54.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% YOU KNOW ROUGHLY 2% OF THEIR 15:54.833 --> 15:57.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SPENDING THE FINE EQUATED TO, IS 15:57.700 --> 15:59.400 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THAT REALLY GOING TO DISCOURAGE 15:59.400 --> 16:00.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% OTHER GROUPS FROM JUST DOING THE 16:00.733 --> 16:01.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% SAME THING AGAIN IF YOU KNOW 16:01.966 --> 16:03.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THEY BASICALLY GET A SLAP ON THE 16:03.300 --> 16:04.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:42.5% WRIST MONETARILY? 16:04.800 --> 16:06.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> WELL IMPORTANTLY THE NEW 16:06.100 --> 16:08.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW TO 16:08.266 --> 16:10.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% INCREASE TRANSPARENCY AND EXPAND 16:10.133 --> 16:12.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% THE EXPRESSED ADVOCACY WILL 16:12.633 --> 16:13.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE AND SHOULD 16:13.966 --> 16:16.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% IN THE FUTURE WE WILL BE ABLE TO 16:16.033 --> 16:17.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ENFORCE THIS PROVISION BECAUSE 16:17.433 --> 16:19.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% IT WILL BE CLEAR FROM DAY ONE OF 16:19.666 --> 16:21.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% THE PARTICULAR ACTION WHAT THE 16:21.000 --> 16:22.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% LAW AND EXPECTATION IS, THAT 16:22.400 --> 16:23.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% WASN'T THE CASE HERE. 16:23.566 --> 16:25.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% IN FACT, THE BUREAU OF ELECTIONS 16:25.466 --> 16:27.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% RECOMMENDED THAT THIS NOT BE 16:27.166 --> 16:29.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% SOMETHING THAT EVER THAT WAS 16:29.166 --> 16:31.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% EVEN A VIOLATION OF THE LAW, THE 16:31.366 --> 16:32.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% PARTICULAR ACTION SO IN 16:32.833 --> 16:35.500 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DETERMINING WE WERE GOING TO GO 16:35.500 --> 16:36.700 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DEPART FROM THAT INTERPRETATION 16:36.700 --> 16:38.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% WE HAD TO RECOGNIZE AND I SAID 16:38.166 --> 16:40.133 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THIS IN OUR LETTER AND INSTRUCT 16:40.133 --> 16:42.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THE SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS TO 16:42.233 --> 16:43.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% RECOGNIZE THE LACK OF CLARITY 16:43.766 --> 16:45.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% AND THE REASONABLE YOU KNOW 16:45.300 --> 16:46.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% DISAGREEMENT THAT COULD EVOLVE 16:46.633 --> 16:48.700 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% FROM THE DEFINITION OF A LAW AS 16:48.700 --> 16:50.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% IT PREVIOUSLY WAS AND 16:50.133 --> 16:51.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% RECOGNIZING MY EFFORT TO MAKE IT 16:51.466 --> 16:54.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% CLEAR AND ALSO AVOID SORT OF 16:54.566 --> 16:56.166 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% PROLONGED DISCUSSION AND APPEAL 16:56.166 --> 16:58.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% PROCESS, MY INSTRUCTION TO THE 16:58.600 --> 17:00.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% BUREAU OF ELECTION STAFF WHICH 17:00.033 --> 17:01.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% ACTUALLY NEGOTIATEED AND 17:01.733 --> 17:03.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% IMPLEMENTED THE SETTLEMENT WAS 17:03.400 --> 17:04.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION. 17:04.633 --> 17:05.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> COULD YOU HAVE FINED THEM 17:05.733 --> 17:06.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:12.5% MORE? 17:06.166 --> 17:07.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:45% >> IT'S NOT CLEAR. 17:07.433 --> 17:08.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% POTENTIALLY BUT IT WAS A 17:08.633 --> 17:09.533 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% SETTLEMENT DISCUSSION SO IT WAS 17:09.533 --> 17:10.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% REALLY A QUESTION OF WHAT WOULD 17:10.733 --> 17:12.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THEY AGREE TO IN ORDER TO SETTLE 17:12.433 --> 17:12.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:22.5% THE CASE. 17:12.800 --> 17:13.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% >> YOU MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT 17:13.900 --> 17:14.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% SOMEBODY FROM THE REPUBLICAN 17:14.900 --> 17:17.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SIDE WOULD GRIPE ABOUT THIS YES? 17:17.000 --> 17:22.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> WELL INTERESTINGLY THE MY 17:22.033 --> 17:23.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% PREDECESSOR REPUBLICAN SECRETARY 17:23.733 --> 17:25.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% OF STATE HAD SIX MONTHS TO 17:25.366 --> 17:26.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ATTEMPT TO SETTLE THE CASE AND 17:26.366 --> 17:27.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% NOTHING HAPPENED SO THIS WAS 17:27.600 --> 17:29.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% ALSO AN ATTEMPT TO SWIFTLY 17:29.133 --> 17:30.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ADDRESS THIS ISSUE SO WE COULD 17:30.433 --> 17:30.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:20% MOVE ON. 17:30.833 --> 17:32.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> I APPRECIATE THAT BUT YOU 17:32.000 --> 17:33.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% KNEW THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE 17:33.166 --> 17:34.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% HAPPEN I WITH 37,000. 17:34.533 --> 17:35.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> MY APPROACH TO MY DECISIONS 17:35.800 --> 17:37.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% IS NOT ABOUT WHICH POLITICAL 17:37.200 --> 17:39.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% PARTY IS GOING TO BE HAPPY OR 17:39.066 --> 17:40.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% UNHAPPY AS A RESULT OF MY 17:40.033 --> 17:41.900 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DECISION, I'M TRYING TO DO WHAT 17:41.900 --> 17:43.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% IS BEST IN LIGHT OF PRINCIPLES I 17:43.766 --> 17:45.000 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% WAS ELECTED TO PRESERVE IN THIS 17:45.000 --> 17:47.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% CASE WAS TRANSPARENCY AND 17:47.766 --> 17:50.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% STRONGER CAMPAIGN FINANCE 17:50.000 --> 17:50.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:32.5% REQUIREMENTS. 17:50.400 --> 17:51.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> THERE WERE TWO ISSUES ONE YOU 17:51.933 --> 17:54.366 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DETERMINED THE ADVISEMENT WHICH 17:54.366 --> 17:56.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% SAID WHITMER CANDIDATE FOR 17:56.666 --> 17:58.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% GOVERNMENT WAS A FORM OF 17:58.300 --> 17:59.766 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% EXPRESSED ADVOCACY BUT ALSO YOU 17:59.766 --> 18:00.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% DETERMINED THAT THEY DID 18:00.866 --> 18:02.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% COORDINATE AS A GROUP, NOW 18:02.733 --> 18:04.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:55% COORDINATION FINES CAN 18:04.066 --> 18:05.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% POTENTIALLY UNDER STATE LAW BE 18:05.900 --> 18:07.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% FELONY CRIMES, I MEAN DID YOU 18:07.733 --> 18:11.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% TAKE THAT COORDINATION ASPECT IN 18:11.266 --> 18:13.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ACCOUNT WHEN NEGOTIATING THIS 18:13.800 --> 18:14.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:27.5% SETTLEMENT? 18:14.666 --> 18:15.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> RECOGNIZING THE LAW WE DID 18:15.766 --> 18:17.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% AND SAYING FIRST WE BELIEVE THIS 18:17.000 --> 18:18.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% IS GOING TO BE EXPRESSED 18:18.633 --> 18:20.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ADVOCACY UNDER THE NEW ORDER I'M 18:20.933 --> 18:22.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% PROMOTING AS THE NEW SECRETARY 18:22.600 --> 18:24.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% OF STATE AND CAN'T APPLY A NEW 18:24.733 --> 18:25.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW 18:25.700 --> 18:26.866 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% EFFECTIVELY RETROACTIVELY WHICH 18:26.866 --> 18:29.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO 18:29.766 --> 18:31.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% FULLY PURSUE A LARGER FINE IN 18:31.800 --> 18:33.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THIS CIRCUMSTANCE SO HOW TO TAKE 18:33.533 --> 18:35.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BUT WHAT 18:35.766 --> 18:37.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% WE LOOK AT IS A RECOGNITION THIS 18:37.933 --> 18:40.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% IS A PART OF A LONGSTANDING 18:40.066 --> 18:41.666 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% EFFORT TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND 18:41.666 --> 18:43.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ENFORCING OUR CAMPAIGN FINANCE 18:43.866 --> 18:44.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:12.5% LAWS. 18:44.133 --> 18:45.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% >> SHOULD THE TWO SIDES BE 18:45.500 --> 18:46.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER? 18:46.566 --> 18:47.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:42.5% >> THE TWO SIDES? 18:47.733 --> 18:49.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% >> YES THESE FOLKS IN THE 18:49.233 --> 18:49.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:22.5% CAMPAIGN. 18:49.700 --> 18:52.300 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> OH, THE EXPRESSED THE PEOPLE 18:52.300 --> 18:54.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DOING IN TERMS OF COORDINATING? 18:54.800 --> 18:58.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE DEFINITION OF AN INDEPENDENT 18:58.700 --> 19:00.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% EXPENDITURE YOU SHOULD NOT BE 19:00.233 --> 19:02.033 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% COORDINATING WITH THE CAMPAIGN. 19:02.033 --> 19:03.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% >> THAT WAS NOT DONE. 19:03.033 --> 19:04.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> WELL THERE WAS COORDINATION 19:04.166 --> 19:05.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% WE BELIEVE IN THIS CASE. 19:05.866 --> 19:07.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:50% >> NO FINE FOR THAT. 19:07.066 --> 19:09.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> WELL THE FINE RECOGNIZES THAT 19:09.633 --> 19:11.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% IF THE DEFINITION OF EXPRESSED 19:11.633 --> 19:13.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ADVOCACY HAD NOT APPLIED IN THIS 19:13.033 --> 19:14.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% CASE THEN THERE WOULD NOT HAVE 19:14.266 --> 19:17.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% BEEN COORDINATION BECAUSE. 19:17.000 --> 19:18.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:42.5% >> BUT THERE WAS. 19:18.233 --> 19:19.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> UNDER THE NEW DEFINITION OF 19:19.600 --> 19:21.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% EXPRESSED ADVOCACY YES SO BOTH 19:21.966 --> 19:24.200 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DETERMINATIONS TOOK IN THE FACT 19:24.200 --> 19:25.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% IT WAS A NEW INTERPRETATION OF 19:25.633 --> 19:26.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:20% THE LAW. 19:26.400 --> 19:27.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> THEY GOT A DEAL HERE DIDN'T 19:27.833 --> 19:28.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:12.5% THEY. 19:28.400 --> 19:29.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> I DON'T AGREE THIS IS THE 19:29.500 --> 19:31.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% FIRST STEP IN CREATING SOLUTIONS 19:31.700 --> 19:34.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THAT WILL STAND THE TEST OF TIME 19:34.033 --> 19:36.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% AND ALSO SENT A CLEAR MESSAGE TO 19:36.066 --> 19:37.666 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% PEOPLE MAKING ADS IN THE FUTURE 19:37.666 --> 19:38.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% IF YOU SAY CANDIDATE FOR 19:38.733 --> 19:40.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE 19:40.066 --> 19:41.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% DETERMINED TO BE EXPRESSED 19:41.433 --> 19:42.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ADVOCACY AND IN THE PAST THAT 19:42.533 --> 19:44.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:42.5% WAS NOT THE CASE. 19:44.933 --> 19:46.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> WE ARE TALKING PARSING THE 19:46.166 --> 19:48.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% DEFINITION OF ISSUE ADVOCACY 19:48.000 --> 19:50.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% VERSUS EXPRESSED ADVOCACY BOTH 19:50.400 --> 19:53.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% OF YOUR PREDECESSORS HAD TAKEN 19:53.366 --> 19:54.500 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% STEPS TO TRY AND RECOMMEND THAT 19:54.500 --> 19:56.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ISSUE ADVOCACY PERIOD IF DONE 19:56.833 --> 19:58.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% AROUND AN ELECTION SHOULD BE 19:58.400 --> 20:00.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% SUBJECT TO STATE DISCLOSURE 20:00.233 --> 20:02.266 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% RULES FOR THE MICHIGAN CAMPAIGN 20:02.266 --> 20:03.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% FINANCE ACT WHERE ARE YOU ON 20:03.533 --> 20:04.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:12.5% THAT? 20:04.000 --> 20:06.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% >> I FULLY AGONY MONEY CAN 20:06.366 --> 20:07.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% INFLUENCE THE POLITICAL 20:07.233 --> 20:08.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% DISCUSSION THE POLITICAL ARENA 20:08.600 --> 20:10.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% WE NEED TO HAVE AN EXPANSIVE 20:10.966 --> 20:13.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% DEFINITION OF EXPRESSED ADVOCACY 20:13.066 --> 20:14.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% IN THE STATE AND WHAT I'M 20:14.900 --> 20:16.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ADVOCATING FOR AND WE DO NEED TO 20:16.566 --> 20:17.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% HAVE TEETH TO THE LAWS. 20:17.766 --> 20:19.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% IN THE PAST YOU KNOW TEN YEARS 20:19.300 --> 20:22.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% WE'VE HAD 1.5 MILLION 20:22.200 --> 20:23.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% UNCOLLECTED CAMPAIGN FINANCE 20:23.766 --> 20:24.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% VIOLATIONS THAT IS ALSO 20:24.500 --> 20:25.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% SOMETHING I'M GOING TO BE 20:25.700 --> 20:27.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% CRACKING DOWN AND TALKING 20:27.066 --> 20:28.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% SERIOUSLY AS WE SEEK TO ENSURE 20:28.533 --> 20:29.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN 20:29.600 --> 20:30.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% FOUND IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW 20:30.766 --> 20:32.333 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% ARE ALSO PAYING THEIR FEES BACK 20:32.333 --> 20:33.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:32.5% TO THE STATE. 20:33.233 --> 20:35.966 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> SO FINES DISAPPEAR I BELIEVE 20:35.966 --> 20:37.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% AFTER ABOUT SIX YEARS SO HOW CAN 20:37.733 --> 20:39.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% YOU CRACK DOWN ON THAT WHEN 20:39.700 --> 20:40.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:30% PEOPLE KNOW. 20:40.500 --> 20:42.566 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS ALONE 20:42.566 --> 20:44.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% WE'VE GOT WE HAVE NEARLY SEEN IT 20:44.900 --> 20:46.966 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% DOUBLE IN UNCOLLECTED CAMPAIGN 20:46.966 --> 20:48.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% FINANCE VIOLATION FEES SO SOME 20:48.566 --> 20:50.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ARE REFERRED TO TREASURY AFTER A 20:50.266 --> 20:51.566 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE WE 20:51.566 --> 20:52.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% AT THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE TRY 20:52.866 --> 20:54.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% TO COLLECT THAT BUT I'M DEEPLY 20:54.733 --> 20:56.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% TROUBLED ON TAKING OFFICE TO SEE 20:56.366 --> 20:57.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% OVER A MILLION OF UNCOLLECTED 20:57.900 --> 21:00.100 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS AND 21:00.100 --> 21:01.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% WE NEED HELP WITH THE 21:01.300 --> 21:02.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% LEGISLATURE ON TO GIVE US MORE 21:02.866 --> 21:04.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ABILITY TO COLLECT THOSE FINES 21:04.033 --> 21:05.900 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AND GO AFTER THE VIOLATIONS AND 21:05.900 --> 21:08.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% CLEARLY THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT 21:08.066 --> 21:09.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% LOOPHOLE IN THE LAW THAT LARGE 21:09.366 --> 21:10.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% AMOUNT OF MONEY HAS BEEN 21:10.800 --> 21:11.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:30% UNCOLLECTED. 21:11.533 --> 21:13.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> YOU WILL ASK THE LAWMAKERS 21:13.333 --> 21:15.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% WHO ARE VIOLATING THE LAW TO 21:15.500 --> 21:17.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% TOUGHEN THE LAW SO YOU CAN GO 21:17.533 --> 21:18.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:27.5% AFTER THEM. 21:18.166 --> 21:19.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:45% >> THAT IS MY JOB. 21:19.300 --> 21:21.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% >> AN EXERCISE IN UTILITY. 21:21.600 --> 21:23.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% >> WORST TO FIRST AND 21:23.566 --> 21:24.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% TRANSPARENCY LAWS IN MICHIGAN. 21:24.766 --> 21:25.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> WHY HAVEN'T THEY DON'T IT 21:25.800 --> 21:26.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:17.5% BEFORE? 21:26.433 --> 21:27.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> THAT IS WHAT I'M GOING TO 21:27.700 --> 21:28.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% LOOK INTO AND WORK WITH THE 21:28.900 --> 21:30.266 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% DEPARTMENT OF TREASURETY TO SEE 21:30.266 --> 21:33.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% WHAT THEY DO TO COLLECT THE 21:33.166 --> 21:33.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:27.5% VIOLATIONS. 21:33.533 --> 21:35.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% >> GET THE AG INVOLVED. 21:35.233 --> 21:36.100 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> THAT IS ON THE TABLE AS WELL 21:36.100 --> 21:38.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% THE FIRST STEP THESE ARE THE 21:38.333 --> 21:40.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% NUMBER OF UNCOLLECTED NEARLY A 21:40.800 --> 21:44.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% MILLION 1.5 MILLION AND IN THE 21:44.866 --> 21:46.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% TREASURY AND OCCURRED IN THE 21:46.166 --> 21:47.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% PAST FIVE YEARS AND THE MONEY IS 21:47.466 --> 21:48.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% NOT IN THE STATE AND WANT TO 21:48.600 --> 21:50.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% KNOW WHY THAT IS THE CASE AND 21:50.400 --> 21:56.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% LOOK AT EVERY POSSIBLE ONE. 21:56.333 --> 21:59.933 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> IT WAS 527 FEDERAL LAW BUILD 21:59.933 --> 22:02.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% A BETTER MICHIGAN AND 550,000 OF 22:02.366 --> 22:05.466 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% ITS FUNDING ONE-FIFTH CAME FROM 22:05.466 --> 22:07.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% GROUPS CALLED PROGRESSIVE 22:07.033 --> 22:09.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% ADVOCACY TRUST WHICH IS 22:09.666 --> 22:11.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ADMINISTRATIVE ACCOUNT OF THE 22:11.533 --> 22:12.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% INGHAM COUNTY DEMOCRATIC PARTY 22:12.700 --> 22:17.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% AND PHIL HEART DEMOCRATIC CLUB 22:17.600 --> 22:19.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% ADMINISTRATIVE ACCOUNT, THESE 22:19.133 --> 22:21.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% ACCOUNTS HAVE NO DISCLOSURE AND 22:21.800 --> 22:24.000 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% PURE DARK MONEY THAT COMES INTO 22:24.000 --> 22:25.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% THEM WHY SHOULD THEY NOT AT 22:25.666 --> 22:28.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% LEAST BE FORCED BECAUSE THEY ARE 22:28.000 --> 22:29.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% BASICALLY ARMS OF THE LOCAL 22:29.166 --> 22:32.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% DEMOCRAT PARTIES THAT HAS TO 22:32.200 --> 22:33.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% DISCLOSE THE SPENDING AND PEOPLE 22:33.700 --> 22:35.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THINK IT'S STRAIGHT UP SLUSH, 22:35.066 --> 22:35.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:15% FUNDS. 22:35.500 --> 22:38.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> 527 MONEY SHOULD BE DISCLOSED 22:38.066 --> 22:39.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% AND ALL MONEY SPENT FOR 22:39.666 --> 22:41.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% INFLUENCE OF THE ELECTION SHOULD 22:41.166 --> 22:42.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% BE DISCLOSED AND I'M GOING TO BE 22:42.500 --> 22:45.300 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% VERY FORCEFUL ABOUT THIS, IN MY 22:45.300 --> 22:46.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% VIEW THIS PARTICULAR DECISION 22:46.566 --> 22:48.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% WHICH I INHERITED BASED ON THE 22:48.800 --> 22:50.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% INACTION OF MY PREDECESSOR I WAS 22:50.933 --> 22:53.000 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% ABLE TO ISSUE A DECISION I HOPE 22:53.000 --> 22:55.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WILL HAVE STANDING EFFECT AND 22:55.266 --> 22:56.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% MOVE TO MORE TRANSPARENCY BUT 22:56.800 --> 22:58.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% NEED THE HELP OF THE LEGISLATURE 22:58.133 --> 23:00.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:55% TO ENSURE WE HAVE MORE 23:00.033 --> 23:01.066 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% TRANSPARENCY AND IT'S NO SECRET 23:01.066 --> 23:01.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% THAT MICHIGAN IS ONE OF THE 23:01.933 --> 23:03.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% STATES IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS 23:03.000 --> 23:05.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRANSPARENCY 23:05.500 --> 23:06.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% REQUIREMENTS AND LEAST AMOUNT OF 23:06.933 --> 23:08.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% DISCLOSURE AND TENURE OF 23:08.866 --> 23:10.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% SECRETARY OF STATE I WANT TO 23:10.266 --> 23:11.133 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:30% CHANGE THAT. 23:11.133 --> 23:12.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> CAN YOU DO ANYTHING ABOUT 23:12.633 --> 23:14.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% ADMINISTRATIVE ACCOUNT IN 1981 23:14.533 --> 23:17.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% INTERPRETATION 1982 BY THE STATE 23:17.900 --> 23:20.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE STATE DOES NOT YOU KNOW VIEW 23:20.866 --> 23:23.366 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% ADMINISTRATIVE ACCOUNTS AS LONG 23:23.366 --> 23:25.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% AS THEY DON'T DO EXPRESSED 23:25.200 --> 23:26.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% ADVOCACY AS BEING SUBJECT TO THE 23:26.766 --> 23:28.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% MICHIGAN CAMPAIGN FINANCE ACT. 23:28.466 --> 23:29.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% >> YEAH I THINK WE HAVE TO 23:29.700 --> 23:31.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% REVISIT THAT AND LOOK ONE WHAT 23:31.366 --> 23:32.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% IS OUR DEFINITION WHETHER YOU 23:32.700 --> 23:35.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% CALL IT EXPRESSED ADVOCACY OR 23:35.300 --> 23:36.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% INFLUENCING THE POLITICAL DEBATE 23:36.466 --> 23:38.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% AND HOW DO WE DO THAT IN THE 23:38.766 --> 23:39.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CONFINES OF THE CONSTITUTION AND 23:39.700 --> 23:40.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% OTHER STATES DID IT AND THE 23:40.833 --> 23:42.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS MORE 23:42.200 --> 23:43.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAN WE 23:43.466 --> 23:45.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% DO AND CAN WE MOVE CLOSER TO 23:45.666 --> 23:46.933 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THAT IS MY GOAL AND PRINCIPLE I 23:46.933 --> 23:48.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% THINK EVERYTHING SHOULD BE 23:48.233 --> 23:49.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% DISCLOSED AND THINK VOTERS TO ME 23:49.633 --> 23:52.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% IT'S ABOUT VOTERS BEING INFORMED 23:52.400 --> 23:54.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% AND ACCESS WHO IS INFLUENCING 23:54.433 --> 23:56.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE OFFICIALS AND BEHIND THE ADS 23:56.000 --> 23:57.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE GET 23:57.233 --> 23:58.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:55% THERE AND IT MAY BE AN 23:58.600 --> 23:59.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% INCREMENTAL PROCESS SEEKING MORE 23:59.600 --> 24:01.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% AND MORE TRANSPARENCY THROUGH 24:01.233 --> 24:03.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% MULTIPLE AVENUES WITHIN THE 24:03.066 --> 24:04.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CONFINES OF THE CONSTITUTION BUT 24:04.066 --> 24:05.500 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% GOAL IS TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE 24:05.500 --> 24:07.600 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% WE ARE THE MOST TRANSPARENT 24:07.600 --> 24:09.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% STATE IN THE COUNTRY AS TO THE 24:09.566 --> 24:09.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:15% LEAST. 24:09.900 --> 24:12.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> ARE YOU OFFENDED OF LAWMAKERS 24:12.800 --> 24:15.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% DOING THAT AFTER LEAVING OFFICE. 24:15.766 --> 24:17.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% >> I WILL LOOK INTO AND TRY TO 24:17.266 --> 24:17.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:17.5% CHANGE. 24:17.633 --> 24:18.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:35% >> WHAT YEARS? 24:18.300 --> 24:20.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> I THINK A TWO-YEAR BAN IS 24:20.533 --> 24:21.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% SUFFICIENT FOR REMOVING IN A 24:21.866 --> 24:23.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% STATE LIKE OURS WITH TERM LIMITS 24:23.733 --> 24:25.466 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AS WE HAVE WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT 24:25.466 --> 24:30.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% INTO CONSIDERATION AND BE 24:30.900 --> 24:32.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% ELECTED TO OFFICE AND TURN 24:32.166 --> 24:33.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% AROUND AND BE A LOBBYIST AND TWO 24:33.900 --> 24:35.533 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:60% YEAR COOLING OFF IS BEST 24:35.533 --> 24:36.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% PRACTICE IN THE STATES AND I 24:36.933 --> 24:37.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% WOULD LIKE-TO-SEE HERE. 24:37.866 --> 24:39.266 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE 24:39.266 --> 24:40.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% RESOLVING DOOR AS YOU SEE IT YOU 24:40.833 --> 24:43.566 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% KNOW I MEAN OBVIOUSLY TERM 24:43.566 --> 24:45.100 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% LIMITS FORCE OUT LAWMAKER WHOSE 24:45.100 --> 24:46.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE WHY 24:46.666 --> 24:48.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% SHOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO GO TO 24:48.333 --> 24:49.933 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% A FIRM AND USE THE EXPERTISE. 24:49.933 --> 24:51.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> THE PROBLEM IS AS YOU GET 24:51.166 --> 24:52.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% CLOSER AND THE LAWMAKER CLOSE TO 24:52.700 --> 24:53.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% THE END OF TERM COULD BE SUBJECT 24:53.733 --> 24:55.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% TO BE INFLUENCED BY AS THEY LOOK 24:55.433 --> 24:57.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% FOR A NEW JOB SOMEONE WHO MAY 24:57.066 --> 24:58.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE 24:58.700 --> 25:00.033 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% JOB THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE 25:00.033 --> 25:00.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% ELECTED TO DO AND INFLUENCE 25:00.866 --> 25:02.333 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% THEIR FINAL DECISIONS AND 25:02.333 --> 25:05.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:57.5% THEREFORE THEN PAY THEM 25:05.066 --> 25:06.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% APPROPRIATELY RIGHT AFTER THE 25:06.833 --> 25:09.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% FACT THEY LEAVE OFFICE AND 25:09.066 --> 25:10.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% POTENTIAL FOR CORRUPTION AND 25:10.233 --> 25:11.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% POTENTIAL FOR PROBLEMS AND I 25:11.100 --> 25:13.733 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% THINK MANY OTHER STATES LOOKED 25:13.733 --> 25:15.800 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% AT THAT TWO YEAR COOLING OFF 25:15.800 --> 25:17.233 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% PERIOD AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 25:17.233 --> 25:18.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:25% THAT HERE. 25:18.466 --> 25:20.066 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% >> WHAT SURPRISED YOU ABOUT THE 25:20.066 --> 25:22.666 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% JOB AND WE WILL DO OVER TIME. 25:22.666 --> 25:23.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> PRINCIPLE OBJECTIVE DECISIONS 25:23.900 --> 25:26.066 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:65% AND WHICH I WILL BE MAKING 25:26.066 --> 25:29.766 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THOUGHT OUT MY TENURE AND OFTEN 25:29.766 --> 25:31.166 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% TIMES WILL ANGER ONE SIDE OR THE 25:31.166 --> 25:32.333 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% OTHER BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE THE 25:32.333 --> 25:33.100 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:37.5% RIGHT DECISION. 25:33.100 --> 25:35.400 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% >> WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THE 25:35.400 --> 25:35.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:32.5% PARTISANSHIP. 25:35.833 --> 25:37.200 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% >> I WAS DISAPPOINTED AND 25:37.200 --> 25:38.500 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% VISITING ALL THE BRANCH OFFICES 25:38.500 --> 25:39.766 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% THROUGH THE STATE AND VISIT ALL 25:39.766 --> 25:42.700 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% 131 IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS AND 25:42.700 --> 25:45.633 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% ALSO ENCOURAGED BY HOW HARD OUR 25:45.633 --> 25:46.766 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:67.5% EMPLOYEES WORK AND HOW MUCH 25:46.766 --> 25:49.100 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% BETTER WE NEED TO DO TO DELIVER 25:49.100 --> 25:51.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% BETTER FOR OUR CITIZENS IN THE 25:51.500 --> 25:52.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:62.5% BRANCH OFFICE AND THAT IS 25:52.366 --> 25:53.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:22.5% PRIORITY. 25:53.000 --> 25:54.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% >> WE WILL CLOSE THE CREDITS AND 25:54.266 --> 25:55.500 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:52.5% BE BACK ARE YOU GAME. 25:55.500 --> 25:55.833 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:17.5% >> YES. 25:55.833 --> 25:58.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% >> GO TO WKAR.ORG FOR MORE OF 25:58.300 --> 26:00.433 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% OUR CONVERSATION WITH JESS LONG 26:00.433 --> 26:01.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:17.5% BENSON. 26:01.366 --> 26:02.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 26:02.733 --> 26:04.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A GRANT 26:04.266 --> 26:06.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% FROM VAN GUARD PUBLIC AFFAIRS, 26:06.300 --> 26:08.366 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:70% WITH NEARLY THREE DECADES OF 26:08.366 --> 26:09.866 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% EXPERIENCE PROVIDING STRATEGIC 26:09.866 --> 26:11.466 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:80% COUNCIL TO LEADERS IN THE PUBLIC 26:11.466 --> 26:13.900 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% AND PRIVATE SECTORS, VAN GUARD 26:13.900 --> 26:15.633 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% PUBLIC AFFAIRS SPECIALIZES IN 26:15.633 --> 26:17.433 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS, ISSUE 26:17.433 --> 26:19.266 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:72.5% MANAGEMENT PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND 26:19.266 --> 26:20.300 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% REPUTATION MANAGEMENT SERVICES 26:20.300 --> 26:22.000 align:start position:10% line:84.66% size:75% FOR COMMUNITIES, ORGANIZATIONS 26:22.000 --> 26:24.266 align:start position:12.5% line:84.66% size:77.5% AND LEADERS ACROSS THE MIDWEST. 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