1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,833 ♪ 2 00:00:03,833 --> 00:00:05,833 WELCOME BACK OUR GUEST THIS WEEK 3 00:00:05,833 --> 00:00:08,066 IS SCOTT GREENLY HEADING A 4 00:00:08,066 --> 00:00:09,900 COALITION OPPOSED TO LEGALIZED 5 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:12,166 POT, OUR LEAD STORY LAWMAKERS 6 00:00:12,166 --> 00:00:13,900 LEAVE TOWN AND FINISH THE BUDGET 7 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:15,233 WHO ARE THE WINNERS AND THE 8 00:00:15,233 --> 00:00:19,366 LOSERS ON THE OTR PANEL KYLE AND 9 00:00:19,366 --> 00:00:23,333 EMILY AND BILL BALLENGER SIT IN 10 00:00:23,333 --> 00:00:26,066 WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT 11 00:00:26,066 --> 00:00:26,900 "OFF THE RECORD." 12 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:28,700 PRODUCTION OF "OFF THE RECORD" 13 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:30,633 IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A 14 00:00:30,633 --> 00:00:32,533 GRANT FROM TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN 15 00:00:32,533 --> 00:00:35,366 MICHIGAN'S ONLY BIPARTISAN 16 00:00:35,366 --> 00:00:36,866 COMMUNICATION FIRM SERVING 17 00:00:36,866 --> 00:00:38,833 STATEWIDE NATIONAL AND 18 00:00:38,833 --> 00:00:39,666 INTERNATIONAL CLIENTS FROM THEIR 19 00:00:39,666 --> 00:00:41,966 OFFICES IN LANSING, DETROIT AND 20 00:00:41,966 --> 00:00:43,266 GRAND RAPIDS, 21 00:00:43,266 --> 00:00:43,966 TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN.COM HAGER FOX 22 00:00:43,966 --> 00:00:45,600 HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING 23 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,133 COMPANY SERVING THE GREATER 24 00:00:47,133 --> 00:00:49,633 LANSING AREA SINCE 1941 25 00:00:49,633 --> 00:00:50,766 PROVIDING SOLUTIONS AND CHOICES 26 00:00:50,766 --> 00:00:52,466 FOR HOME COMFORT DURING ALL 27 00:00:52,466 --> 00:00:55,700 MICHIGAN SEASONS, HAGER FOX AND 28 00:00:55,700 --> 00:00:58,133 BRYANT WHATEVER IT TAKES HAGER 29 00:00:58,133 --> 00:01:00,366 FOX.COM AND BY MSU COLLEGE OF 30 00:01:00,366 --> 00:01:01,566 AGRICULTURAL AND NATURAL 31 00:01:01,566 --> 00:01:02,666 RESOURCES. 32 00:01:02,666 --> 00:01:03,733 MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY WANTS 33 00:01:03,733 --> 00:01:05,766 TO BE A TRUSTED PARTNER IN 34 00:01:05,766 --> 00:01:06,766 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FOOD AND 35 00:01:06,766 --> 00:01:08,766 WHERE IT COMES FROM INCLUDING 36 00:01:08,766 --> 00:01:10,166 ITS IMPACT ON OUR HEALTH AND ON 37 00:01:10,166 --> 00:01:12,933 OUR PLANET LEARN MORE AT 38 00:01:12,933 --> 00:01:16,866 FOOD.MSU.EDU AND NOW THIS 39 00:01:16,866 --> 00:01:18,266 EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH 40 00:01:18,266 --> 00:01:19,800 TIM SKUBICK. 41 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:20,900 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH WELCOME 42 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:23,300 BACK TO "OFF THE RECORD" AND 43 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:25,766 FINISHED THE BUDGET AND LEFT 44 00:01:25,766 --> 00:01:26,566 DODGE. 45 00:01:26,566 --> 00:01:28,100 >> GOODNESS GRACIOUS AND WE MISS 46 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:30,200 THEM ALREADY DON'T WE LET'S LOOK 47 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,233 AT WHAT THEY DID ON THE BUDGET 48 00:01:33,233 --> 00:01:34,500 RICK SNYDER PRESENTED ON 49 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:37,100 FEBRUARY 8, 125 DAYS LATER 50 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:38,800 LAWMAKERS PUT THE FINISHING 51 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,133 TOUCHES ON 55 BILLION OF YOUR 52 00:01:40,133 --> 00:01:42,300 TAX DOLLARS MAKING IT EIGHT 53 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:44,200 YEARS IN A ROW THE BUDGET HAS 54 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000 BEEN FINISHED BEFORE THE OCTOBER 55 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,466 FIRST DEADLINE HERE ARE 56 00:01:47,466 --> 00:01:48,800 HIGHLIGHTS THE STATE WILL SPEND 57 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,766 7800 ON EVERY SCHOOL KID THAT IS 58 00:01:52,766 --> 00:01:55,033 4.6% INCREASE AND A GAP BETWEEN 59 00:01:55,033 --> 00:01:56,566 RICH AND POOR DISTRICTS. 60 00:01:56,566 --> 00:01:58,933 >> 7800'S A SMALL FEE TO ME, 61 00:01:58,933 --> 00:02:00,466 SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS WHO ARE 62 00:02:00,466 --> 00:02:02,000 GETTING 13,000. 63 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,233 >> Reporter: LAWMAKERS VOTED 64 00:02:03,233 --> 00:02:05,200 425 MILLION FOR ROAD REPAIRS BUT 65 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,666 DEMOCRATS ARE STILL COMPLAINING. 66 00:02:06,666 --> 00:02:08,600 >> 500 MILLION BUCKS IS PRETTY 67 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,566 GOOD BUT NOT ENOUGH. 68 00:02:10,566 --> 00:02:12,366 >> TAXPAYERS WILL PAY 155 NEW 69 00:02:12,366 --> 00:02:13,700 STATE TROOPERS HIGHER EDUCATION 70 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:16,433 IS GETTING A 2% BOOST IN STATE 71 00:02:16,433 --> 00:02:18,166 SUPPORT WHICH RESTORES THE 15% 72 00:02:18,166 --> 00:02:19,900 CUT THEY TOOK WHEN GOVERNOR 73 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:21,733 SNYDER WAS FIRST ELECTED EVERY 74 00:02:21,733 --> 00:02:23,500 SCHOOL GETS THAT WITH THE 75 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:25,266 EXCEPTION WAYNE STATE AND THE 76 00:02:25,266 --> 00:02:28,266 CITY'S REVENUE SHARING UP 5.8 77 00:02:28,266 --> 00:02:29,933 MILLION THE PURE MICHIGAN AD 78 00:02:29,933 --> 00:02:32,600 CAMPAIGN GETTING 36 MILLION BUMP 79 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,466 THE BUDGET DID HAVE STRONG 80 00:02:35,466 --> 00:02:36,800 BIPARTISAN SUPPORT BUT NOT 81 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,200 EVERYONE WAS HAPPY. 82 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,966 [ CHANTING ] 83 00:02:39,966 --> 00:02:41,600 THE PROTESTERS FEEL THE 84 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,166 LEGISLATURE HAS FORGOTTEN THEM. 85 00:02:43,166 --> 00:02:45,466 >> WE HAVE TO TELL OUR 86 00:02:45,466 --> 00:02:47,400 CONSTITUENTS ALL OVER THE 87 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,133 COUNTRY NO EVERYTHING IS NOT 88 00:02:49,133 --> 00:02:50,833 OKAY AND FEEL WE ARE BACK H THE 89 00:02:50,833 --> 00:02:53,366 WATER CRISIS ALL OVER AGAIN. 90 00:02:53,366 --> 00:02:55,933 >> Reporter: GOVERNOR SNYDER IS 91 00:02:55,933 --> 00:02:57,333 PLEASED THERE IS A BILLION IN 92 00:02:57,333 --> 00:03:00,033 THE RAINY DAY FUND AND THERE WAS 93 00:03:00,033 --> 00:03:04,933 LESS WHEN HE WAS ELECTED AND 94 00:03:04,933 --> 00:03:06,333 THEY WILL BE ON THE CAMPAIGN 95 00:03:06,333 --> 00:03:09,366 TRAIL ADDRESSING ASSIGNMENT 96 00:03:09,366 --> 00:03:11,400 NUMBER TWO GETTING ELECTED EMILY 97 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,400 WHEN YOU WROTE THE STORY WHAT 98 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,300 WAS YOUR LEAD? 99 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:15,600 >> PEOPLE ACROSS MICHIGAN HAVE 100 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,000 BEEN HITTING POT HOLES AND HAVE 101 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,833 SOME HOPE IT MAY HELP ALLEVIATE 102 00:03:20,833 --> 00:03:21,200 THAT. 103 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,066 WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN TOTALITY 104 00:03:23,066 --> 00:03:24,900 THEY DID 175 MILLION 105 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:26,966 SUPPLEMENTAL A COUPLE MONTHS AGO 106 00:03:26,966 --> 00:03:29,466 THEY PUT 300 MILLION FROM NEXT 107 00:03:29,466 --> 00:03:31,066 YEAR'S BUDGET INTO ROADS AND 108 00:03:31,066 --> 00:03:33,200 THERE IS THIS 30 mILLION IN KIND 109 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,033 OF SMALLER REALLY SPECIFIC 110 00:03:35,033 --> 00:03:36,300 PROJECTS THAT THEY STUCK IN 111 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:37,666 ANOTHER SUPPLEMENTAL SO YOU KNOW 112 00:03:37,666 --> 00:03:39,233 IN TOTALITY THAT IS A LOT MORE 113 00:03:39,233 --> 00:03:40,966 MONEY THAN WE THOUGHT WOULD BE 114 00:03:40,966 --> 00:03:42,300 GOING TOWARDS ROADS THIS YEAR. 115 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:43,466 >> IT'S AMAZING WHAT YOU CAN DO 116 00:03:43,466 --> 00:03:45,500 IN THE BUDGET WHEN EXTRA MONEY 117 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:47,300 IS AROUND THEY JUST LOVE THAT 118 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:48,200 DON'T WE. 119 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,933 >> THAT'S WHAT WE HAD HERE 120 00:03:49,933 --> 00:03:51,833 REVENUES ARE DOING BETTER THAN 121 00:03:51,833 --> 00:03:54,033 EXPECTED AND HAD 500 MORE TO 122 00:03:54,033 --> 00:03:56,200 PLAY WITH AND LAWMAKERS HAVE 123 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,266 CONTINUOUSLY UNDER RICK SNYDER 124 00:03:57,266 --> 00:03:59,633 AND STARTING WITH JENNIFER 125 00:03:59,633 --> 00:04:00,666 GRANHOLM USED THE SCHOOL AID 126 00:04:00,666 --> 00:04:02,066 FUND THAT POT OF MONEY THAT WAS 127 00:04:02,066 --> 00:04:03,766 CREATED WHEN WE PASSED PROPOSAL 128 00:04:03,766 --> 00:04:06,233 A THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO 129 00:04:06,233 --> 00:04:08,566 DIRECTLY K-12 SCHOOLS BUT IN 130 00:04:08,566 --> 00:04:11,166 RECENT YEARS THE LAWMAKERS AND 131 00:04:11,166 --> 00:04:12,700 SNYDER USED MONEY IN THE BETTER 132 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:14,366 THAN EXPECTED INCREASES IN THERE 133 00:04:14,366 --> 00:04:16,366 TO PAY FOR COMMUNITY COLLEGES, 134 00:04:16,366 --> 00:04:18,333 HIGHER EDUCATION AND THAT 135 00:04:18,333 --> 00:04:19,700 ALLEVIATED A LOT OF STRESS ON 136 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:21,033 THE GENERAL FUND SO THE GENERAL 137 00:04:21,033 --> 00:04:22,766 FUND IS 10 BILLION THAT REALLY 138 00:04:22,766 --> 00:04:25,000 HASN'T CHANGED SINCE SNYDER HAS 139 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,600 TAKEN OFFICE AND THEY HAVE USED 140 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,466 THIS GROWING SCHOOL AID FUND TO 141 00:04:28,466 --> 00:04:29,533 HELP WHICH IS SOMETHING THE 142 00:04:29,533 --> 00:04:33,800 DEMOCRATS GRUMBLED ABOUT AND 143 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,533 REPUBLICANS GRUMBLE ABOUT TOO. 144 00:04:36,533 --> 00:04:38,800 >> 900 AND PRETTY SOON WE ARE 145 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:39,966 GOING TO TALK ABOUT REAL MONEY 146 00:04:39,966 --> 00:04:40,266 HERE. 147 00:04:40,266 --> 00:04:43,966 >> ONE OTHER FASCET TO THE MONEY 148 00:04:43,966 --> 00:04:49,900 IS DECREASE DEPEND SAFETY NET 149 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:50,900 PROGRAMS AND THEY PUT IT IN THE 150 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:52,966 SENATE BASICALLY THE ECONOMY IS 151 00:04:52,966 --> 00:04:54,233 GOOD MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING AND 152 00:04:54,233 --> 00:04:56,100 NOT AS MANY PEOPLE RELYING ON 153 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:57,866 PROGRAMS LIKE FOOD OR CASH 154 00:04:57,866 --> 00:04:58,233 ASSISTANCE. 155 00:04:58,233 --> 00:04:59,566 >> WHAT DID YOU THINK OF IT 156 00:04:59,566 --> 00:05:00,100 BILLY? 157 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:01,833 >> NOT TO BE NEGATIVE YOU HIT 158 00:05:01,833 --> 00:05:03,500 ALL THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THE 159 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:05,000 POSITIVE ACHIEVEMENTS BUT THEY 160 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,866 DIDN'T FINALLY PASS THE NASSAR 161 00:05:07,866 --> 00:05:09,433 PACKAGE THE BILLS ON THE LARRY 162 00:05:09,433 --> 00:05:12,566 NASSAR SCANDAL AND PASSED BOTH 163 00:05:12,566 --> 00:05:13,766 CHAMBERS BUT THE SENATE STILL 164 00:05:13,766 --> 00:05:15,600 HAS TO DO A LOT OF WORK, AUTO 165 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,900 INSURANCE RATE REFORM WAS 166 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:18,900 UNFINISHED WHEN WE THINK OF ALL 167 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:21,866 THE HOT AIR WE EXPENDED DEBATING 168 00:05:21,866 --> 00:05:23,733 THESE TWO ISSUES IT'S AMAZING 169 00:05:23,733 --> 00:05:24,966 NOTHING HAPPENED FINALLY BEFORE 170 00:05:24,966 --> 00:05:26,500 THEY LEAVE FOR THREE MONTHS ON 171 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:28,566 THESE TWO ISSUES AND THIS OTHER 172 00:05:28,566 --> 00:05:29,866 STUFF CAME UP. 173 00:05:29,866 --> 00:05:31,966 >> TWO OF THE NASSAR BILLS 174 00:05:31,966 --> 00:05:32,333 SIGNED. 175 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:33,766 >> THE HOUSE PACKAGE IS STILL ON 176 00:05:33,766 --> 00:05:35,100 HOLD IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE 177 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:37,666 GUYS WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT 178 00:05:37,666 --> 00:05:40,900 AND SOME SAY IT'S A PAY BACK. 179 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:42,400 THE OTHER THING WAS TAX CUTS 180 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,533 REMEMBER WE STARTED THE YEAR 181 00:05:43,533 --> 00:05:44,800 WITH TAX CUTS. 182 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,300 >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE 183 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:48,066 PROBLEMATIC I KNOW THE HOUSE IS 184 00:05:48,066 --> 00:05:49,400 VERY EXCITED ABOUT THEM AND 185 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,633 SOUND REAL GOOD AND DONALD TRUMP 186 00:05:52,633 --> 00:05:54,400 HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO TAX CUTS TO 187 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,766 HIS POLITICAL ADVANTAGE BUT IN 188 00:05:55,766 --> 00:05:57,266 MICHIGAN YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE 189 00:05:57,266 --> 00:05:58,766 BUDGET EVERY YEAR IN THE FEDERAL 190 00:05:58,766 --> 00:06:00,766 GOVERNMENT YOU CAN JUST RACK UP 191 00:06:00,766 --> 00:06:02,166 MORE DEBT WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN 192 00:06:02,166 --> 00:06:03,266 GOOD AT DOING BUT IN MICHIGAN 193 00:06:03,266 --> 00:06:05,666 SINCE YOU GOT TO HAVE A BALANCED 194 00:06:05,666 --> 00:06:07,000 BUDGET THE GOVERNOR SAID WE JUST 195 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,300 DON'T HAVE THE MONEY LONG-TERM 196 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:10,733 TO PAY FOR TAX CUTS AND, IN 197 00:06:10,733 --> 00:06:12,366 FACT, LOOKING LONG-TERM THERE IS 198 00:06:12,366 --> 00:06:13,900 GOING TO BE A CRUNCH ON THE 199 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:15,166 BUDGET BECAUSE OF INCREASED 200 00:06:15,166 --> 00:06:18,600 MONEY FROM GENERAL FUND GOING TO 201 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,433 TAKE CARE OF ROADS AND THEN ALSO 202 00:06:21,433 --> 00:06:23,333 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE TAX 203 00:06:23,333 --> 00:06:25,600 CUTS FOR THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION 204 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,500 COMING ON LINE PRETTY SOON AS 205 00:06:27,500 --> 00:06:28,800 WELL AND NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR 206 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:29,366 TAX CUTS. 207 00:06:29,366 --> 00:06:30,466 >> IT'S INTERESTING WHEN WE TOOK 208 00:06:30,466 --> 00:06:33,900 THE FAMOUS VOTE WHEN LEONARD PUT 209 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:35,233 EVERYBODY'S NUMBERS UP ON THE 210 00:06:35,233 --> 00:06:37,600 BOARD WAY BACK IN JANUARY OF 211 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,533 LAST YEAR WE ARE TALKING 18 212 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:41,466 MONTHS AGO, THAT WENT DOWN IN 213 00:06:41,466 --> 00:06:42,900 FLAMES, IT'S LIKE AFTER THAT 214 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:45,933 WELL OKAY FORGET TAX CUTS LET'S 215 00:06:45,933 --> 00:06:47,233 START SPENDING THE MONEY AND THE 216 00:06:47,233 --> 00:06:48,866 MONEY ACTUALLY CAME IN YOU KNOW 217 00:06:48,866 --> 00:06:50,566 EVEN BETTER THAN THEY THOUGHT IT 218 00:06:50,566 --> 00:06:51,066 WOULD. 219 00:06:51,066 --> 00:06:51,966 >> WE HAVE COMMERCIALS ON THE 220 00:06:51,966 --> 00:06:55,066 AIR AND GRETCHEN WHITMER THE 221 00:06:55,066 --> 00:06:57,133 FIRST SPOT ON THE AIR AND THE 222 00:06:57,133 --> 00:06:59,100 COKE BROTHERS EXPLAIN WHY THE 223 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:01,000 COKE BROTHERS ARE PLAYING IN THE 224 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,866 DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY? 225 00:07:02,866 --> 00:07:05,333 >> THEY ARE NEGATIVE ADS AGAINST 226 00:07:05,333 --> 00:07:07,833 GRETCHEN WHITMER AND CONVINCED 227 00:07:07,833 --> 00:07:09,733 SHE WILL BE THE NOMINEE AND 228 00:07:09,733 --> 00:07:11,533 TRYING TO TAKE HER DOWN AND 229 00:07:11,533 --> 00:07:12,733 DEFINE HER BEFORE SHE HAS A 230 00:07:12,733 --> 00:07:14,666 CHANCE TO EVEN GET TRACTION AS A 231 00:07:14,666 --> 00:07:16,900 DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE ASSUMING SHE 232 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:18,166 WINS THE PRIMARY. 233 00:07:18,166 --> 00:07:20,566 >> A TWO FOR THEM, IF THEY DON'T 234 00:07:20,566 --> 00:07:23,166 MAKE HER LOSE THEY SOFTENED HER 235 00:07:23,166 --> 00:07:25,333 UP FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION AND 236 00:07:25,333 --> 00:07:26,933 SHE HAS HER COMMERCIALS OUT AND 237 00:07:26,933 --> 00:07:28,000 YOU THOUGHT WHAT? 238 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,600 >> YOU KNOW I THINK THAT IT'S A 239 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,166 LITTLE LATE FOR HER JUST BECAUSE 240 00:07:32,166 --> 00:07:34,400 SHRI HAS BEEN OUT THERE SO 241 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,833 PROMPTLY AND RIGHT OFF THE BAT 242 00:07:35,833 --> 00:07:37,133 STARTING WITH THE SUPERBOWL YOU 243 00:07:37,133 --> 00:07:39,200 KNOW JUST MAN THE STREET FOR MY 244 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,433 FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND HEARD 245 00:07:40,433 --> 00:07:42,333 ABOUT THE COMMERCIALS AND 246 00:07:42,333 --> 00:07:44,733 WHITMER'S ARE STARTING TO 247 00:07:44,733 --> 00:07:45,066 REGISTER. 248 00:07:45,066 --> 00:07:46,733 >> A BIT OF HISTORY HERE. 249 00:07:46,733 --> 00:07:49,000 >> A LOT OF TIME AND I THINK THE 250 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,066 MODEL AND IT WAS A DIFFERENT 251 00:07:51,066 --> 00:07:54,133 ELECTION, 2000 GENERAL ELECTION 252 00:07:54,133 --> 00:07:56,933 DEBBIE STAB NOW HAD NO WHERE 253 00:07:56,933 --> 00:08:00,400 NEAR AS MONEY AS SPENCER ABRAHAM 254 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,833 AND HOARDED IT AND PEOPLE WERE 255 00:08:02,833 --> 00:08:04,833 CRITICIZING HER SUMMER AND FALL 256 00:08:04,833 --> 00:08:07,733 LONG GET TON TUBE, NOBODY KNOWS 257 00:08:07,733 --> 00:08:09,766 WHO ARE YOU ARE YOU ARE WAY 258 00:08:09,766 --> 00:08:11,900 BEHIND IN THE POLLS AND SAVED IT 259 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:13,666 TO THE END AND MUCH LATER THAN 260 00:08:13,666 --> 00:08:15,800 WHITMER IS RIGHT NOW AND SHE 261 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,600 SPENT IT AND SHE WON. 262 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,566 >> SAME THING WITH DICK DEVOS HE 263 00:08:19,566 --> 00:08:21,366 WAS OUT SPENDING JENNIFER AND 264 00:08:21,366 --> 00:08:23,866 PEOPLE KEPT SAYING WHEN ARE YOU 265 00:08:23,866 --> 00:08:26,600 GOING UP AND WHEN SHE WENT IT IT 266 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,900 CHANGED, WILL IT CHANGED? 267 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:29,300 >> I THINK THEY ARE COUNTING ON 268 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:30,733 IT TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLLING 269 00:08:30,733 --> 00:08:36,333 THAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH SHRI AND 270 00:08:36,333 --> 00:08:38,666 GRETCHEN AND SHRI'S NAME IS MUCH 271 00:08:38,666 --> 00:08:40,966 HIGHER AND I THINK THE WHITMER 272 00:08:40,966 --> 00:08:43,366 CAMP IS SAYING WHEN OUR ID GETS 273 00:08:43,366 --> 00:08:46,133 UP TO SHRI WE WILL MOVE UP AND 274 00:08:46,133 --> 00:08:49,066 GET 5, 10, 15% WHAT SHE DOESN'T 275 00:08:49,066 --> 00:08:50,733 WANT TO DO IS BLOW THROUGH ALL 276 00:08:50,733 --> 00:08:52,133 HER MONEY RIGHT NOW IN THE 277 00:08:52,133 --> 00:08:53,266 PRIMARY IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO 278 00:08:53,266 --> 00:08:54,766 THEN SHE GETS THE GENERAL 279 00:08:54,766 --> 00:08:57,600 ELECTION AND HER CUPBOARDS ARE 280 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,400 BARE AND THAT IS THE LAST THING 281 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,600 AND WANTS TO SAVE THE MONEY IN 282 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,700 THE END, IF SHE WINS THE PRIMARY 283 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:04,933 BY 3, 4, 5 PERCENTAGE POINTS 284 00:09:04,933 --> 00:09:07,033 WHICH I DOUBT WOULD HAPPEN BUT 285 00:09:07,033 --> 00:09:09,000 LET'S SAY SHE DOES WHO CARES A 286 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,633 WIN IS A WIN YOU MOVE ON. 287 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:12,266 SHE DOESN'T NEED TO EMPTY THE 288 00:09:12,266 --> 00:09:13,466 WALLET RIGHT NOW SO SHE CAN GET 289 00:09:13,466 --> 00:09:16,566 A 20 POINT OVER SHRI. 290 00:09:16,566 --> 00:09:18,333 >> SHRI CONTINUES TO BE A PAIN 291 00:09:18,333 --> 00:09:19,400 IN HER SIDE. 292 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,066 >> YEAH. 293 00:09:21,066 --> 00:09:22,966 >> BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF 294 00:09:22,966 --> 00:09:24,333 GROUPS THAT ARE CHIPPING AWAY AT 295 00:09:24,333 --> 00:09:26,500 HIM WITH NEGATIVE THINGS THAT 296 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:27,600 HAVE HAPPENED LIKE THE GROSS 297 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,433 POINT DEMOCRATS JUST ISSUED AN 298 00:09:31,433 --> 00:09:33,033 ANTIENDORSEMENT SAYING HE IS 299 00:09:33,033 --> 00:09:34,666 UNSUITABLE VOTE FOR ANYBODY BUT 300 00:09:34,666 --> 00:09:37,333 SHRI AND DRIP DRIP DRIP A LOT OF 301 00:09:37,333 --> 00:09:38,666 THIS STUFF IS HAPPENING AND I 302 00:09:38,666 --> 00:09:41,933 THINK EVERYTHING THAT KYLE AND 303 00:09:41,933 --> 00:09:43,400 EMILY SAY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AS 304 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,133 SOON AS SHE GETS UP GETS HER 305 00:09:45,133 --> 00:09:46,400 MESSAGE OUT THERE, BRINGS HER 306 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,066 NAME ID UP SHE HAS GOT THE 307 00:09:48,066 --> 00:09:50,533 GROUND TROOPS AND THE 308 00:09:50,533 --> 00:09:51,400 ORGANIZATIONAL SUPPORT IN PLACE 309 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,766 TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. 310 00:09:52,766 --> 00:09:55,833 >> WHAT IF SHRI GOES NEGATIVE 311 00:09:55,833 --> 00:09:57,733 AGAINST HER AND FOUND OUT THEY 312 00:09:57,733 --> 00:09:59,066 DID THE OPPOSITION RESEARCH AND 313 00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:00,333 LOOKED AT HER RECORD AND SHE 314 00:10:00,333 --> 00:10:01,500 DOESN'T HAVE EXECUTIVE 315 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:02,700 EXPERIENCE AND MISSED A LOT OF 316 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:04,533 VOTES WHAT IF THEY GO NEGATIVE 317 00:10:04,533 --> 00:10:05,966 NOW SHE HAS THE COKE BROTHERS 318 00:10:05,966 --> 00:10:09,700 AND SHRI GOING AT HER NEGATIVE 319 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:11,566 DOES SHE HAVE TO WASTE MONEY TO 320 00:10:11,566 --> 00:10:12,700 RESPOND TO THAT STUFF IS THAT A 321 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:13,133 PROBLEM? 322 00:10:13,133 --> 00:10:15,100 >> I DON'T THINK NEGATIVE IS 323 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:17,300 CONGRUENT WITH SHRI'S BRAND. 324 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:19,300 >> HE DID SAY LAST NIGHT HE 325 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:20,633 QUOTE HAD NO PLANS AT THIS TIME 326 00:10:20,633 --> 00:10:22,266 TO DO NEGATIVE ADS. 327 00:10:22,266 --> 00:10:24,333 >> YOU DID SEE HIM GO AGAINST 328 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:26,700 ABDUL FILING WITH THE SECRETARY 329 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:28,300 OF STATE FILING THAT COMPLAINT 330 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:30,200 BUT EVEN THAT SEEMED OUT OF 331 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,900 CHARACTER FOR HIM, HE IS A 332 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:33,766 BEAMING POSITIVE ENERGY AND YOU 333 00:10:33,766 --> 00:10:35,633 KNOW I THINK THAT NEGATIVE. 334 00:10:35,633 --> 00:10:38,166 >> OPPOSITE OPPOSITION RESEARCH 335 00:10:38,166 --> 00:10:39,600 IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT. 336 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,300 >> I THINK HE MAY VERY WELL USE 337 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:43,766 IT BUT HOW DOES HE USE IT. 338 00:10:43,766 --> 00:10:45,300 >> IF IT'S CLOSE WHY NOT. 339 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:47,100 >> AND LOOK I MEAN AGAIN HE IS A 340 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:49,866 VERY POSITIVE GUY, I AGREE WITH 341 00:10:49,866 --> 00:10:52,233 EMILY HE CAN DO IT IN A WAY THAT 342 00:10:52,233 --> 00:10:53,633 CAN BE FUNNY OR IT WOULD BE 343 00:10:53,633 --> 00:10:54,200 LIGHT. 344 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,033 IT WOULDN'T BE YOU KNOW HEAVY 345 00:10:56,033 --> 00:11:00,600 AND MEAN SPIRITED OR WHATEVER. 346 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,866 >> HAVE A DRIBBLE THAT IS NOT 347 00:11:03,866 --> 00:11:04,966 ATTACHED TO YOUR NAME THE 348 00:11:04,966 --> 00:11:06,800 NEGATIVE PIECE ON SHRI A 349 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,400 NATIONAL STORY ABOUT HIM IN 350 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,600 RELATION TO SOME BEAGLES, IT WAS 351 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,533 HARD STRING PULLING, NOBODY 352 00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:14,700 KNOWS WHERE THAT CAME FROM. 353 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:15,800 >> THAT IS A POTENTIAL ISSUE 354 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,433 ISN'T IT. 355 00:11:16,433 --> 00:11:17,233 >> I AGREE. 356 00:11:17,233 --> 00:11:18,566 >> PEOPLE LOVE THEIR BEAGLES. 357 00:11:18,566 --> 00:11:20,400 >> A LOT OF BEAGLE LOVERS IN THE 358 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:20,900 STATE. 359 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:23,866 >> THAT IS SHRI'S ACHILLES HEEL 360 00:11:23,866 --> 00:11:25,066 AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO A 361 00:11:25,066 --> 00:11:27,900 COUPLE THINGS FIRST OF ALL 1996 362 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:30,766 OR 98 REMEMBER LARRY OWEN WAS 363 00:11:30,766 --> 00:11:32,133 SUPPOSED TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC 364 00:11:32,133 --> 00:11:33,700 NOMINEE AND EVERYBODY THOUGHT HE 365 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:35,466 WILL GET IT TAKEN CARE OF AND 366 00:11:35,466 --> 00:11:38,000 WHO CAME IN WITH MONEY GEOFFREY 367 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,466 FIEGER AND WON THE NOMINATION 368 00:11:39,466 --> 00:11:43,266 AND KICK IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T 369 00:11:43,266 --> 00:11:45,100 MEAN THAT PERSON IS GOING TO WIN 370 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:47,566 WHICH I THINK SHRI IS COUNTING 371 00:11:47,566 --> 00:11:49,333 ON AND ABOUT HIM GOING NEGATIVE 372 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:51,333 RICK SNYDER NEVER WENT NEGATIVE 373 00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:53,733 AND HE HAS NEVER LOST SO I WOULD 374 00:11:53,733 --> 00:11:55,766 JUST SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE SHRI 375 00:11:55,766 --> 00:11:57,766 HAS THAT NEGATIVE INFORMATION I 376 00:11:57,766 --> 00:11:58,733 DON'T KNOW IF HE NECESSARILY 377 00:11:58,733 --> 00:12:00,166 FEELS LIKE HE HAS TO PLAY IT OR 378 00:12:00,166 --> 00:12:02,000 NOT, I KNOW HE MAY FEEL LIKE HE 379 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,200 HAS TO BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE 380 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,200 HAS TO OR NOT. 381 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,366 >> DEPENDS WHAT THEY ARE 382 00:12:05,366 --> 00:12:07,466 WHISPERING IN HIS EAR BEHIND 383 00:12:07,466 --> 00:12:09,333 CLOSED DOORS THE POLITICAL 384 00:12:09,333 --> 00:12:10,800 CONSULTANTS COME IN DO YOU WANT 385 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,233 TO WIN THE THING AND THE NICE 386 00:12:12,233 --> 00:12:13,733 GUY WHO FINISHED SECOND OR DO 387 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:15,400 YOU WANT TO TAKE THE GLOVES OFF 388 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,700 WHEN I TALKED TO HIM LAST NIGHT 389 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,966 HE WAS VERY SAYING LOOK I JUST 390 00:12:18,966 --> 00:12:20,766 WANT TO GET PEOPLE TO KNOW ME ET 391 00:12:20,766 --> 00:12:21,766 CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA SO WE 392 00:12:21,766 --> 00:12:24,100 WILL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, IT 393 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:24,933 WILL BE INTERESTING THOUGH AND 394 00:12:24,933 --> 00:12:26,833 IT COULD GET CLOSER I THINK. 395 00:12:26,833 --> 00:12:27,566 >> YEAH IT COULD. 396 00:12:27,566 --> 00:12:29,866 >> ALL RIGHT JOHN ENGLER MADE 397 00:12:29,866 --> 00:12:31,166 ANOTHER MISTAKE OR NO? 398 00:12:31,166 --> 00:12:32,466 >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT JOHN ENGLER 399 00:12:32,466 --> 00:12:34,100 WAS GOVERNOR DURING A TIME WHEN 400 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:38,100 WE DIDN'T FOIA FOR E-MAILS. 401 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:40,800 THINK ABOUT IT. 402 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,133 THE GOVERNOR IS NOT SUBJECT TO 403 00:12:43,133 --> 00:12:45,033 PLAY BUT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS 404 00:12:45,033 --> 00:12:48,400 HIM IN THE MIDST OF WHAT HE WAS 405 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,366 BROUGHT IN MICHIGAN STATE TO DO 406 00:12:50,366 --> 00:12:51,833 WHICH WAS TO SETTLE THE LARRY 407 00:12:51,833 --> 00:12:54,066 NASSAR SITUATION FINANCIALLY FOR 408 00:12:54,066 --> 00:12:55,633 THE STATE OR FOR MICHIGAN STATE 409 00:12:55,633 --> 00:12:57,066 UNIVERSITY AND GET OUT OF THERE, 410 00:12:57,066 --> 00:12:59,300 PROVIDE COVER FOR THE BOARD OF 411 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:00,366 TRUSTEES AND GET OUT OF THERE SO 412 00:13:00,366 --> 00:13:02,533 HIS FRANK TALK WITH HIS STAFFER 413 00:13:02,533 --> 00:13:05,366 LONG TIME CONFIDENT CAROL ABOUT 414 00:13:05,366 --> 00:13:07,800 WHAT THE SURVIVORS' PLANS ARE 415 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,333 AND WHETHER THE TRIAL LOADERS 416 00:13:10,333 --> 00:13:12,300 ARE BRINGING DOWN THE MERRY ROAD 417 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:14,766 AND GETTING RICH IN THE PROCESS 418 00:13:14,766 --> 00:13:16,433 AND RACHEL'S NAME OUT THERE. 419 00:13:16,433 --> 00:13:18,300 >> ONE OF THE SURVIVORS ALLEGING 420 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:20,800 SHE MAY GET A QUOTE QUICK BACK 421 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,400 FROM THE ATTORNEYS. 422 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,133 >> SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME 423 00:13:24,133 --> 00:13:25,400 ENGLER WOULD HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS 424 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,800 AND MAYBE PUT THEM IN AN E-MAIL 425 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,966 BUT OF COURSE IN 2015 WHEN 426 00:13:28,966 --> 00:13:33,633 EVERYONE IS FOIAING AT MICHIGAN 427 00:13:33,633 --> 00:13:34,800 STATE UNIVERSITY IT WAS A 428 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,600 MISTAKE ON HIS PART TO HAVE THAT 429 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,200 OUT THERE AND WILL GET TOUGH 430 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:38,800 CRITICISM FOR IT. 431 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,866 >> HE MADE A MISTAKE EARLY ON 432 00:13:41,866 --> 00:13:44,233 AND INVITED ONE OF THE SURVIVORS 433 00:13:44,233 --> 00:13:46,400 MOTHER INTO HIS OFFICE AND SAID 434 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,600 OKAY WHAT WOULD YOU ACCEPT AS 435 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,900 YOU KNOW A GOOD SETTLEMENT VERY 436 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:53,533 BAD IDEA THAT BACK FIRED AND 437 00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:56,266 BLEW UP AND GOT BAD PUBLICITY ON 438 00:13:56,266 --> 00:13:57,900 THAT AND SHOULD NOT ALLOW THEM 439 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:00,066 TO COME IN THE OFFICE AND SENDS 440 00:14:00,066 --> 00:14:01,666 AN E-MAIL AND OTHER STUFF OUT 441 00:14:01,666 --> 00:14:08,066 THERE THAT CAN BE FOIA AND 442 00:14:08,066 --> 00:14:09,333 PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IF HE 443 00:14:09,333 --> 00:14:11,166 DIDN'T KNOW IT AND HE HAS MADE 444 00:14:11,166 --> 00:14:12,900 AMATEUR MISTAKES. 445 00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:14,533 >> UNFORCED ERRORS. 446 00:14:14,533 --> 00:14:15,566 >> UNFORCED ERRORS AND DIDN'T 447 00:14:15,566 --> 00:14:16,533 HAVE TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT 448 00:14:16,533 --> 00:14:18,366 AND REALLY UNDER CUT THE 449 00:14:18,366 --> 00:14:20,333 REPUTATION HE IS BUILDING 450 00:14:20,333 --> 00:14:22,533 OTHERWISE AS TO MAYBE DOING A 451 00:14:22,533 --> 00:14:23,600 FAIRLY GOOD JOB. 452 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,066 >> WHAT DOES THE BOARD DO? 453 00:14:25,066 --> 00:14:27,600 >> I HAVE NO IDEA WHY ENGLER IS 454 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,866 WRITING ALL OF THIS DOWN AT THIS 455 00:14:28,866 --> 00:14:30,800 POINT, THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE 456 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,800 ANY MORE POLITICAL CAPITA THAN 457 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:33,366 HE DOES. 458 00:14:33,366 --> 00:14:34,633 THERE IS A SENSE I THINK ABOUT 459 00:14:34,633 --> 00:14:36,433 ENGLER AND THE BOARD ABOUT WHAT 460 00:14:36,433 --> 00:14:38,200 THEY'RE DOING BEHIND CLOSED 461 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,333 DOORS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE 462 00:14:40,333 --> 00:14:41,833 PUBLIC I'M THEY HAVE A TRUST 463 00:14:41,833 --> 00:14:43,566 ISSUE CAMPUS WIDE AND STATEWIDE 464 00:14:43,566 --> 00:14:45,166 AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY TRUST 465 00:14:45,166 --> 00:14:45,866 EACH OTHER. 466 00:14:45,866 --> 00:14:48,000 >> CALL IN THE GUEST AND TALK 467 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,200 ABOUT POT. 468 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,500 SCOTT GREENLY HAS BEEN ACTIVE IN 469 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,433 MICHIGAN POLITICS SINCE 1987 HE 470 00:14:53,433 --> 00:14:55,133 WAS A VOLUNTEER WORKER FOR A 471 00:14:55,133 --> 00:14:57,100 VARIETY OF POLITICIANS AND SPENT 472 00:14:57,100 --> 00:14:59,366 THREE YEARS AS A CONSTITUENT 473 00:14:59,366 --> 00:15:01,300 RELATIONS PERSON FOR ATTORNEY 474 00:15:01,300 --> 00:15:02,566 GENERAL BILL SCHUETTE AND WORKED 475 00:15:02,566 --> 00:15:05,566 AT MEDC AND RAN FOR REPUBLICAN 476 00:15:05,566 --> 00:15:07,200 CHAIR IN 2014 CURRENTLY 477 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,566 PRESIDENT OF AN ANTIPOT 478 00:15:08,566 --> 00:15:10,666 COALITION HEALTHY AND PRODUCTIVE 479 00:15:10,666 --> 00:15:14,233 MICHIGAN. 480 00:15:14,233 --> 00:15:15,266 WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM GOOD TO 481 00:15:15,266 --> 00:15:16,733 SEE YOU AND KYLE HAS THE FIRST 482 00:15:16,733 --> 00:15:17,066 QUESTION. 483 00:15:17,066 --> 00:15:20,566 >> SO IT LOOKS LIKE LEGALIZED 484 00:15:20,566 --> 00:15:21,866 RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA WILL BE 485 00:15:21,866 --> 00:15:23,166 ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT WHAT KIND 486 00:15:23,166 --> 00:15:25,733 OF NO CAMPAIGN CAN WE EXPECT IS 487 00:15:25,733 --> 00:15:26,866 GOING TO BE MOUNTED AGAINST 488 00:15:26,866 --> 00:15:27,400 THIS? 489 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,666 >> I THINK IT'S BAD FOR MICHIGAN 490 00:15:28,666 --> 00:15:30,633 FROM OUR COMMITTEE'S PERSPECTIVE 491 00:15:30,633 --> 00:15:32,266 AND A LOT OF CITIZEN'S 492 00:15:32,266 --> 00:15:33,333 PERSPECTIVE ON A NUMBER OF 493 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:34,200 FRONTS AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT 494 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,233 THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES, 495 00:15:36,233 --> 00:15:37,333 WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE 496 00:15:37,333 --> 00:15:39,433 FACT THAT IT IS DEFINITELY 497 00:15:39,433 --> 00:15:40,400 ACCEPTABLE TO CHILDREN EVEN 498 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,500 THOUGH THEY SAY OH, IT WON'T BE 499 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:44,900 SOLD TO ANYBODY UNDER 21 WE KNOW 500 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:46,600 HOW IT WORKS AND HAVE BEEN DOWN 501 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,300 THE ROAD THE MONEY PROJECTED ON 502 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:50,000 THE OTHER SIDE 200 MILLION OF 503 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,633 REVENUE COMPARED TO 57 BILLION 504 00:15:52,633 --> 00:15:54,200 BUDGET THAT WAS JUST PASSED AND 505 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,733 THAT IS BY THE WAY A GROSS 506 00:15:55,733 --> 00:15:58,100 NUMBER THE 200 MILLION THAT IS 507 00:15:58,100 --> 00:15:58,966 PROJECTED THAT IS NOT GOING TO 508 00:15:58,966 --> 00:16:00,966 COME IN AT LEAST IN STATES LIKE 509 00:16:00,966 --> 00:16:02,600 COLORADO AT THE LEVELS THAT IT'S 510 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,266 PROJECTED AND OBVIOUSLY THERE IS 511 00:16:04,266 --> 00:16:05,333 A LOT OF BUSINESS CHALLENGES 512 00:16:05,333 --> 00:16:07,800 WITH REGARD TO THE FACT THAT 513 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,133 BUSINESSES WILL STILL BE ABLE TO 514 00:16:09,133 --> 00:16:10,733 DRUG TEST AND A LOT OF 515 00:16:10,733 --> 00:16:11,900 INDUSTRIES WILL WANT THEM TO, WE 516 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:13,866 DON'T WANT OUR TRANSPORTATION 517 00:16:13,866 --> 00:16:16,366 PEOPLE OUR MEDICAL WORKERS HEAVY 518 00:16:16,366 --> 00:16:17,866 MACHINE WORKERS IMPAIRED IN THE 519 00:16:17,866 --> 00:16:19,633 LEAST AND EVERYBODY AGREES 520 00:16:19,633 --> 00:16:21,266 DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH IT DOES 521 00:16:21,266 --> 00:16:22,933 IMPAIR YOU AT LEAST SOMEWHAT. 522 00:16:22,933 --> 00:16:24,000 >> TALK ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN 523 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:24,433 THOUGH. 524 00:16:24,433 --> 00:16:25,133 >> SURE. 525 00:16:25,133 --> 00:16:26,400 >> WHAT KIND OF OPPOSITION DO 526 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,433 YOU SEE BEING MOUNTED AGAINST 527 00:16:28,433 --> 00:16:29,800 IT, IS THERE GOING TO BE 528 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,066 COMMERCIALS, IS THERE GOING TO 529 00:16:31,066 --> 00:16:32,300 BE MONEY? 530 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:32,800 >> ABSOLUTELY. 531 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,533 IT WILL BE A STANDARD CAMPAIGN 532 00:16:35,533 --> 00:16:36,000 OPERATION. 533 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,800 WE WILL DO VOTER EDUCATION AND 534 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,666 FIND THE RIGHT VOTERS AND PEOPLE 535 00:16:39,666 --> 00:16:41,566 WHO ARE LIKELY TO VOTE AND 536 00:16:41,566 --> 00:16:42,600 OBVIOUSLY GO BEYOND THAT BECAUSE 537 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:43,833 THERE IS A FEEL ALTHOUGH IT HAS 538 00:16:43,833 --> 00:16:45,533 NOT BEEN DOCUMENTED OR SHOWN IN 539 00:16:45,533 --> 00:16:46,600 OTHER STATES THAT HAS MARIJUANA 540 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,766 ON THE BALLOT BUT THERE IS A 541 00:16:48,766 --> 00:16:50,766 FEEL IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE 542 00:16:50,766 --> 00:16:52,700 VOTING DEMOGRAPHIC IN MICHIGAN 543 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:54,266 AND BE PREPARED AND CONTACT 544 00:16:54,266 --> 00:16:57,700 VOTERS IN EVERY TRADITIONAL AND 545 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:00,600 NONTRADITIONAL WAY WE CAN TO 546 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,200 KNOW THE CHALLENGES IT BRINGS. 547 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:03,733 >> WHO IS IN YOUR COALITION? 548 00:17:03,733 --> 00:17:05,766 >> A LARGE AMOUNT OF FOLKS A LOT 549 00:17:05,766 --> 00:17:07,433 OF BUSINESS LEADERS A LOT OF 550 00:17:07,433 --> 00:17:08,966 FAITH BASED LEADERS OBVIOUSLY 551 00:17:08,966 --> 00:17:10,633 THE WHOLE MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL 552 00:17:10,633 --> 00:17:13,800 GROUP SUBSTANCE ABUSE FOLKS AND 553 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,766 DEAL WITH THE CHALLENGES OF 554 00:17:14,766 --> 00:17:16,200 MARIJUANA ON A DAILY BASIS AND 555 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,200 OTHER DRUGS THAT IT LEADS TO SO 556 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,233 WE HAVE A PRETTY BROAD BASE AND 557 00:17:20,233 --> 00:17:22,466 FAIRLY NONPARTISAN THIS IS NOT 558 00:17:22,466 --> 00:17:24,100 THE PARTISAN ISSUE THAT A LOT OF 559 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:25,666 PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE IT OUT TO 560 00:17:25,666 --> 00:17:26,033 BE. 561 00:17:26,033 --> 00:17:27,200 I'VE BEEN A REPUBLICAN FOR A 562 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:27,533 LONG TIME. 563 00:17:27,533 --> 00:17:29,100 I KNOW A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THAT 564 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:30,500 ARE ACTUALLY OKAY WITH 565 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:31,833 RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA BY THE 566 00:17:31,833 --> 00:17:34,466 SAME TOKEN ACROSS THE AISLE I 567 00:17:34,466 --> 00:17:35,666 KNOW A LOT OF DEMOCRATS THAT ARE 568 00:17:35,666 --> 00:17:37,966 NOT HEADED UP BY CONGRESSMAN 569 00:17:37,966 --> 00:17:39,600 PATRICK KENNEDY THE KENNEDY 570 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,266 FAMILY ON A NATIONAL LEVEL FOR 571 00:17:41,266 --> 00:17:42,700 ONE OF OUR NATIONAL PARTNERS. 572 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:44,300 >> CAN YOU NAME SOME OF THE 573 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:45,733 GROUPS IN YOUR COALITION. 574 00:17:45,733 --> 00:17:47,366 >> MICHIGAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE 575 00:17:47,366 --> 00:17:50,066 GRAND RAPIDS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE 576 00:17:50,066 --> 00:17:51,833 HAVE COME OUT AGAINST IT AND 577 00:17:51,833 --> 00:17:53,433 OTHER SMALLER CHAMBERS A COUPLE 578 00:17:53,433 --> 00:17:54,966 BIG CHAMBERS HAVE NOT SPOKE TO 579 00:17:54,966 --> 00:17:56,033 THE ISSUE YET. 580 00:17:56,033 --> 00:17:57,466 >> LAW ENFORCEMENT YOU GOT THE 581 00:17:57,466 --> 00:17:58,366 SHERIFFS. 582 00:17:58,366 --> 00:17:59,000 >> ABSOLUTELY. 583 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,166 >> SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION, 584 00:18:00,166 --> 00:18:00,533 PROSECUTORS. 585 00:18:00,533 --> 00:18:00,833 >> YES. 586 00:18:00,833 --> 00:18:01,933 >> WILL YOU GIVE US A LIST OF 587 00:18:01,933 --> 00:18:03,300 ALL OF THOSE GROUPS AT SOME 588 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:03,833 POINT? 589 00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:06,300 >> SURE OH, YEAH AT THE RIGHT 590 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:06,733 TIME. 591 00:18:06,733 --> 00:18:08,366 >> AT THE RIGHT TIME. 592 00:18:08,366 --> 00:18:10,033 LIKE ANY CAMPAIGN WE WILL ROLL 593 00:18:10,033 --> 00:18:10,600 STUFF OUT. 594 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,400 >> HOW ABOUT RIGHT NOW? 595 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,933 >> SORRY WE ARE ON OUR OWN TIME 596 00:18:13,933 --> 00:18:15,433 SCHEDULE BUT WE WILL ROLL THINGS 597 00:18:15,433 --> 00:18:17,000 OUT THIS IS A FALL QUESTION NOT 598 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,433 AN AUGUST QUESTION SO THERE ARE 599 00:18:18,433 --> 00:18:20,166 TWO MAJOR THINGS PEOPLE ARE 600 00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:24,466 CONFUSED ABOUT ONE IS IT ON THE 601 00:18:24,466 --> 00:18:27,033 BALLOT AND THE BOARD OF 602 00:18:27,033 --> 00:18:29,366 CANVASSERS DO DOES NOT HAVE THE 603 00:18:29,366 --> 00:18:30,633 100 WORD LANGUAGE APPROVED YET 604 00:18:30,633 --> 00:18:32,966 AND DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS ON THE 605 00:18:32,966 --> 00:18:34,066 BALLOT OTHER THAN THE ISSUE 606 00:18:34,066 --> 00:18:35,400 ITSELF WILL BE AND THE SECOND 607 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:36,600 BIG CONFUSION IS PEOPLE ARE 608 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:37,833 OFTEN GETTING THIS CONFUSED WITH 609 00:18:37,833 --> 00:18:39,133 THE MEDICAL STUFF THAT WE HAVE 610 00:18:39,133 --> 00:18:40,100 AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT 611 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:41,666 THIS HAS NO IMPACT ON THE 612 00:18:41,666 --> 00:18:42,866 MEDICAL PROGRAMS IN MICHIGAN. 613 00:18:42,866 --> 00:18:44,300 >> WOULD YOU RATHER BE ON THE 614 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:47,466 BALLOT ALONE AS AN ISSUE OR WITH 615 00:18:47,466 --> 00:18:48,800 OTHER ISSUES ON THE BALLOT WITH 616 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:49,666 YOU? 617 00:18:49,666 --> 00:18:51,066 THERE COULD BE AS MANY AS FIVE 618 00:18:51,066 --> 00:18:52,466 IN NOVEMBER. 619 00:18:52,466 --> 00:18:53,000 >> GREAT QUESTION. 620 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,266 I SEE BENEFITS TO BOTH. 621 00:18:55,266 --> 00:18:58,033 I MEAN IF THERE ARE A LOT OF 622 00:18:58,033 --> 00:18:59,833 BALLOT ISSUES HISTORICALLY IN 623 00:18:59,833 --> 00:19:01,833 MICHIGAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD A 624 00:19:01,833 --> 00:19:03,366 TENDENCY TO SAY ROLL IT OVER 625 00:19:03,366 --> 00:19:04,700 THERE IS A LOT GOING ON HERE WE 626 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:05,733 ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE WHAT IS 627 00:19:05,733 --> 00:19:07,166 GOING ON WE ARE JUST GOING TO 628 00:19:07,166 --> 00:19:09,933 VOTE A LOT OF NO BUT I THINK THE 629 00:19:09,933 --> 00:19:11,533 MORE ATTENTION THAT THIS ISSUE 630 00:19:11,533 --> 00:19:13,600 GETS THE MORE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES 631 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,933 AND OF ALL DEMOGRAPHICS START TO 632 00:19:16,933 --> 00:19:17,833 PAUSE AND THINK I DON'T KNOW IF 633 00:19:17,833 --> 00:19:19,866 THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AFTER ALL. 634 00:19:19,866 --> 00:19:21,000 >> WHAT HAVE YOU FOUND IN 635 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,333 COLORADO AND WASHINGTON OTHER 636 00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:24,200 STATES THAT HAVE THIS IN PLACE 637 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,133 WHAT ARE THE POSITIVE AND 638 00:19:26,133 --> 00:19:27,366 NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF IT THAT GIVE 639 00:19:27,366 --> 00:19:29,133 YOU PAUSE HERE IN MICHIGAN? 640 00:19:29,133 --> 00:19:30,600 >> SURE AGAIN THERE IS A LOT OF 641 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,066 THEM FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT 642 00:19:32,066 --> 00:19:33,100 THAT ARE NEGATIVE THERE IS THE 643 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:34,333 FACT THAT THE NUMBERS DON'T COME 644 00:19:34,333 --> 00:19:35,466 IN THE WAY THEY SHOULD. 645 00:19:35,466 --> 00:19:37,466 THERE IS THE FACT THAT ANYBODY 646 00:19:37,466 --> 00:19:39,633 CAN FIND STATS ON EITHER SIDE OF 647 00:19:39,633 --> 00:19:42,566 THE GATE WAY ISSUE BUT WHEN YOU 648 00:19:42,566 --> 00:19:44,066 USE YOUR COMMON SENSE HAT AND 649 00:19:44,066 --> 00:19:46,700 PUT IT ON NOT MANY 30, 35, 650 00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:48,866 40-YEAR-OLD DRUG FREE PEOPLE 651 00:19:48,866 --> 00:19:51,666 WAKE UP AND SAY TODAY SEEMS LIKE 652 00:19:51,666 --> 00:19:54,233 A GOOD DAY TO GO ON A COCAINE 653 00:19:54,233 --> 00:19:56,000 BENDER AND I DON'T KNOW WITH 654 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,200 HARDER DRUGS THAT DID NOT START 655 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,166 WITH MARIJUANA IT'S ABSOLUTELY A 656 00:19:59,166 --> 00:20:01,533 GATE WAY DRUG AND PEOPLE DIDN'T 657 00:20:01,533 --> 00:20:04,566 GO FURTHER BUT YOU DIDN'T KNOW 658 00:20:04,566 --> 00:20:05,866 SOMEBODY WHO STARTED THERE AND 659 00:20:05,866 --> 00:20:11,500 THE WHOLE DRUNK DRIVING THING 660 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:13,700 AND STAYS IN YOUR SYSTEM 20-30 661 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:15,600 dAYS IF SOMEONE USES ON JUNE ONE 662 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,133 AND RANDOMLY TESTED ON JUNE 20 663 00:20:19,133 --> 00:20:20,300 IT'S LIKELY TO BE IN THE SYSTEM 664 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:23,200 AND WITH REGARD TO LAW 665 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,200 ENFORCEMENT WILL MONITOR DRUNK 666 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,500 DRIVING AND WITH MORE DRUGS 667 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:28,100 THERE WILL BE MORE INSTANCES OF 668 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:28,900 DRUNK DRIVING. 669 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:32,033 >> THE POLLING IT LOOKS LIKE 670 00:20:32,033 --> 00:20:33,766 MICHIGAN IS AGAINST YOU AND MAY 671 00:20:33,766 --> 00:20:35,933 HAVE A HUMP TO OVERCOME DO YOU 672 00:20:35,933 --> 00:20:37,733 THINK THE POLLING IS ON POINT AT 673 00:20:37,733 --> 00:20:38,866 THIS POINT OR DO YOU THINK IT'S 674 00:20:38,866 --> 00:20:40,966 A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF 675 00:20:40,966 --> 00:20:42,233 CONVINCING YOU WILL HAVE TO DO. 676 00:20:42,233 --> 00:20:43,700 >> YOU ARE RIGHT ON BOTH ANGLES 677 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:45,600 FIRST I DON'T THINK IT'S NEAR 678 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,566 THE 60-62% THAT OUR OPPONENTS 679 00:20:48,566 --> 00:20:50,700 SAY IT IS AND WHEN YOU DO POLLS 680 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:52,400 AND YOU KNOW THIS YOU ARE PROS 681 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,933 YOU LOOK AT SAMPLE SIZES AND HOW 682 00:20:53,933 --> 00:20:55,133 THE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED THINGS 683 00:20:55,133 --> 00:20:55,533 LIKE THAT. 684 00:20:55,533 --> 00:20:57,333 WE DID A POLL EARLY IN MAY AND 685 00:20:57,333 --> 00:20:59,566 WE FOUND THAT IT WAS A VERY 686 00:20:59,566 --> 00:21:02,466 EXTENSIVE POLL AND GOT 800 687 00:21:02,466 --> 00:21:03,633 RESPONDED STATEWIDE A PRETTY 688 00:21:03,633 --> 00:21:07,066 GOOD AND THE FIRM WE USED AND WE 689 00:21:07,066 --> 00:21:08,266 DIDN'T DO THE POLL IS THE ONLY 690 00:21:08,266 --> 00:21:09,866 FIRM IN THE STATE THAT GOT THE 691 00:21:09,866 --> 00:21:12,066 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CORRECT SO 692 00:21:12,066 --> 00:21:13,333 THEY ARE GOOD AT POLLING. 693 00:21:13,333 --> 00:21:14,466 >> WHAT WAS THE NUMBER. 694 00:21:14,466 --> 00:21:15,566 >> 48%. 695 00:21:15,566 --> 00:21:16,400 >> 48%. 696 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,366 >> CORRECT. 697 00:21:17,366 --> 00:21:19,766 >> UNDER TWO UNDER 50. 698 00:21:19,766 --> 00:21:22,266 >> YOU SAW JOSH FROM LAST WEEK 699 00:21:22,266 --> 00:21:24,000 AND WHEN YOU WATCHED HIM YOU 700 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,266 WENT AND SAID TO YOURSELF. 701 00:21:25,266 --> 00:21:26,766 >> I SAID TO MYSELF HE HAS A 702 00:21:26,766 --> 00:21:30,866 STORY TO TELL, HE IS GOING TO EX 703 00:21:30,866 --> 00:21:33,633 CENTUATE AND TELL YOU THERE IS 704 00:21:33,633 --> 00:21:35,500 200 MILLION AND THIS IS GOING TO 705 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:36,933 BE GREAT FOR THE ROADS AND OUR 706 00:21:36,933 --> 00:21:38,466 SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE IN MUCH 707 00:21:38,466 --> 00:21:39,900 BETTER SHAPE BUT IN MICHIGAN WE 708 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:41,366 KNOW BETTER WE HAD THE LOTTERY 709 00:21:41,366 --> 00:21:43,233 AND WHEN THE LOTTERY WAS PASSED 710 00:21:43,233 --> 00:21:44,600 ALL THE MONEY WILL GO TO THE 711 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,533 SCHOOLS AND IT'S GOING TO BE 712 00:21:45,533 --> 00:21:46,900 GREAT BECAUSE WE WILL NEVER NEED 713 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:48,333 TO FUND THEM AGAIN AND THINGS 714 00:21:48,333 --> 00:21:50,200 WILL BE FANTASTIC IN PUBLIC 715 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,666 SCHOOLS NOW YEARS LATER WE ARE 716 00:21:51,666 --> 00:21:52,833 LOOKING AT ANOTHER THING THAT 717 00:21:52,833 --> 00:21:54,833 ISN'T LEGAL FEDERALLY BY THE WAY 718 00:21:54,833 --> 00:21:57,933 AND THE LAST TIME I CHECKED 719 00:21:57,933 --> 00:21:59,166 MICHIGAN IS PART OF THE UNITED 720 00:21:59,166 --> 00:21:59,933 STATES STILL AND LOOKING AT 721 00:21:59,933 --> 00:22:01,800 ANOTHER THING TO GET 200 MILLION 722 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,066 MAYBE PROJECTED GROSS OUT OF A 723 00:22:04,066 --> 00:22:05,766 57 BILLION BUDGET PART OF WHICH 724 00:22:05,766 --> 00:22:07,666 IS GOING TO BE EAR MARKED FOR 725 00:22:07,666 --> 00:22:08,433 THE SCHOOLS. 726 00:22:08,433 --> 00:22:10,100 >> TALK ABOUT VOTING GO AHEAD 727 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:10,433 EMILY. 728 00:22:10,433 --> 00:22:14,433 >> A MONTH AGO YOU WERE PROTHE 729 00:22:14,433 --> 00:22:15,766 LEGISLATURE. 730 00:22:15,766 --> 00:22:17,533 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. 731 00:22:17,533 --> 00:22:19,133 >> YOU DID NOT SUPPORT THE 732 00:22:19,133 --> 00:22:19,500 LEGISLATURE. 733 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:21,166 >> NO WE DO NOT SUPPORT 734 00:22:21,166 --> 00:22:23,000 LEGALIZATION IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR 735 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:23,266 FORM. 736 00:22:23,266 --> 00:22:24,900 THERE ARE MULTIPLE GROUPS OF 737 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,033 COURSE WORKING AGAINST THIS 738 00:22:26,033 --> 00:22:28,266 BALLOT PROPOSAL AND ONE OF THOSE 739 00:22:28,266 --> 00:22:30,166 GROUPS WAS IN FAVOR BUT OUR 740 00:22:30,166 --> 00:22:31,266 GROUP HAS BEEN COMPLETELY 741 00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:33,000 AGAINST FROM DAY ONE AND WILL 742 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:33,400 REMAIN SO. 743 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,700 >> ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO WORK 744 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:37,866 WITH THOSE OTHER GROUPS? 745 00:22:37,866 --> 00:22:39,700 >> YES WE ARE ALLOWED TO FROM A 746 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:41,433 CAMPAIGN STANDPOINT AND WILL AND 747 00:22:41,433 --> 00:22:42,900 HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AS 748 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:44,433 WELL AS FOLKS IN THE VARIOUS 749 00:22:44,433 --> 00:22:46,700 CHAMBERS AND WILL SEE A BROAD 750 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:48,133 BASE OF COALITION WORKING 751 00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:48,766 AGAINST THIS. 752 00:22:48,766 --> 00:22:50,066 >> YOU CAN POOL TOGETHER FOR AN 753 00:22:50,066 --> 00:22:51,866 AD BUY IF YOU WANTED TO. 754 00:22:51,866 --> 00:22:52,466 >> WE COULD. 755 00:22:52,466 --> 00:22:53,633 >> TALK ABOUT VOTING BLOCKS DO 756 00:22:53,633 --> 00:22:55,766 YOU CONCEDE MILLENNIALS WILL 757 00:22:55,766 --> 00:22:56,933 VOTE YES? 758 00:22:56,933 --> 00:22:57,533 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. 759 00:22:57,533 --> 00:22:58,833 >> IS THAT JUST A WISH? 760 00:22:58,833 --> 00:23:00,366 >> NO, NO I MEAN WE HAVE DONE 761 00:23:00,366 --> 00:23:02,666 SOME FOCUS GROUPS AND TALKED TO 762 00:23:02,666 --> 00:23:04,133 SOME PEOPLE ON CAMPUSES I WOULD 763 00:23:04,133 --> 00:23:06,466 SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF YOUR 764 00:23:06,466 --> 00:23:08,633 CAMPUS STUDENTS THAT GET OUT AND 765 00:23:08,633 --> 00:23:10,166 VOTE REMEMBER THAT IS AN 766 00:23:10,166 --> 00:23:11,500 IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE 767 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,933 WILL BE IN FAVOR BUT I THINK 768 00:23:13,933 --> 00:23:15,633 THERE WILL BE A SURPRISINGLY 769 00:23:15,633 --> 00:23:17,133 LARGE NUMBER THAT ARE AGAINST. 770 00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:19,100 >> HOW DO YOU GET PAST THIS IDEA 771 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:20,200 THAT ALCOHOL AND MARIJUANA ONE 772 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,400 IS REGULATED AND LEGAL THE OTHER 773 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,533 IS NOT WHAT IS REALLY THE 774 00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:24,633 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? 775 00:23:24,633 --> 00:23:26,866 >> WELL THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY TWO 776 00:23:26,866 --> 00:23:28,500 DIFFERENT SUBSTANCES AND TALKED 777 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:29,766 HOW LONG IT STAYS IN YOUR SYSTEM 778 00:23:29,766 --> 00:23:31,733 SO IF THE FIVE OF US MEET FOR A 779 00:23:31,733 --> 00:23:33,800 BEER AND WATCH THE TIGER GAME 780 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,466 TONIGHT WHICH BY THE TIME I'M 781 00:23:35,466 --> 00:23:37,000 FINE FOR MY SCHEDULE IS OPEN WE 782 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,166 GO HOPE AND DRINK A BOTTLE OF 783 00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:40,200 WATER AND GET UP IN THE MORNING 784 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,233 THE ALCOHOL IS OUT OF OUR 785 00:23:41,233 --> 00:23:41,733 SYSTEM. 786 00:23:41,733 --> 00:23:43,033 MARIJUANA IT DOESN'T WORK THAT 787 00:23:43,033 --> 00:23:44,600 WAY, IT STAYS IN YOUR SYSTEM FOR 788 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,466 15, 20, 25 DAYS DEPENDING ON THE 789 00:23:48,466 --> 00:23:49,466 INDIVIDUAL AND OPENS AGAIN ALL 790 00:23:49,466 --> 00:23:50,833 THESE CHALLENGES WITH WORKFORCE 791 00:23:50,833 --> 00:23:52,533 DRUG ENFORCEMENT, ALL THESE 792 00:23:52,533 --> 00:23:54,100 CHALLENGES WITH ROADSIDE 793 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:56,233 TESTING, IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. 794 00:23:56,233 --> 00:23:57,900 THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT TYPES OF 795 00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:58,300 SUBSTANCES. 796 00:23:58,300 --> 00:23:59,933 KYLE YOU KNOW YOU CAN ALSO FIND 797 00:23:59,933 --> 00:24:00,866 STATS THAT WILL TELL YOU 798 00:24:00,866 --> 00:24:02,466 ANYTHING YOU WANT TOLD AND I'VE 799 00:24:02,466 --> 00:24:04,233 SEEN STATS WHERE MARIJUANA IS A 800 00:24:04,233 --> 00:24:05,933 LOT WORSE AND MORE ADDICTIVE 801 00:24:05,933 --> 00:24:08,066 THAN ALCOHOL AND I'VE SEEN THE 802 00:24:08,066 --> 00:24:09,866 VICE VERSA SO I'M TRYING TO KEEP 803 00:24:09,866 --> 00:24:11,233 PEOPLE JUST FOCUSED ON THE 804 00:24:11,233 --> 00:24:12,466 MARIJUANA PIECE OF THIS AND THE 805 00:24:12,466 --> 00:24:14,433 RECREATIONAL PIECE AND BY THE 806 00:24:14,433 --> 00:24:15,700 WAY JUST BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE 807 00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:17,166 IN SOME PEOPLE'S OPINION AS BAD 808 00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:19,133 AS SOMETHING ELSE IT DOESN'T 809 00:24:19,133 --> 00:24:20,800 MEAN WE SHOULD JUMP INTO IT. 810 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,066 >> WE TRIED TO PROHIBIT 811 00:24:22,066 --> 00:24:23,166 CHALLENGE AND THAT WAS A FAILURE 812 00:24:23,166 --> 00:24:25,833 AT WHAT POINT DON'T WE REACH A 813 00:24:25,833 --> 00:24:28,166 POINT WE CANNOT RESIST THE 814 00:24:28,166 --> 00:24:29,266 LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA ANY 815 00:24:29,266 --> 00:24:30,533 LONGER AND IT'S JUST GOING TO 816 00:24:30,533 --> 00:24:31,366 HAPPEN. 817 00:24:31,366 --> 00:24:35,300 >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO IT'S 818 00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:37,066 ILLEGAL FEDERALLY AND FROM 819 00:24:37,066 --> 00:24:38,766 SESSIONS AND TALK WHAT TO DO ON 820 00:24:38,766 --> 00:24:40,666 A FEDERAL LEVEL BUT IT'S 821 00:24:40,666 --> 00:24:42,600 CURRENTLY AGAINST AND SCHEDULED 822 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,866 AS SUCH AND MICHIGAN SHOULD NOT 823 00:24:43,866 --> 00:24:46,066 START PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT 824 00:24:46,066 --> 00:24:47,700 LAWS WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW. 825 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,300 >> FROM PUBLIC OPINION 826 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,400 STANDPOINT I THINK WE GET OUR 827 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,933 MESSAGE OUT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND 828 00:24:51,933 --> 00:24:53,433 MORE PEOPLE I TALK TO THE MORE 829 00:24:53,433 --> 00:24:55,166 PEOPLE OUR ORGANIZATION TALKS TO 830 00:24:55,166 --> 00:24:56,433 THE LESS EXCITEMENT THERE IS 831 00:24:56,433 --> 00:24:57,566 ABOUT MARIJUANA. 832 00:24:57,566 --> 00:24:59,133 >> LET'S SAY IT GETS ON THE 833 00:24:59,133 --> 00:25:00,533 BALLOT AND PASSES THEN HOW DOES 834 00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:02,466 THAT INTERFACE WITH THE FEDERAL 835 00:25:02,466 --> 00:25:03,766 STATUTE GOING FORWARD DO YOU SEE 836 00:25:03,766 --> 00:25:05,633 YOUR GROUP AND OTHERS CONTINUING 837 00:25:05,633 --> 00:25:08,600 TO FIGHT MARIJUANA USE HERE IN 838 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,166 MICHIGAN SAYING HEY, IT'S A 839 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:12,400 FEDERAL CRIME, WHAT DO YOU DO? 840 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,600 >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT 841 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,866 QUESTION AND I THINK THE FEDERAL 842 00:25:15,866 --> 00:25:17,166 GOVERNMENT HAS FRANKLY GOTTEN 843 00:25:17,166 --> 00:25:19,433 ITSELF IN TROUBLE BY IGNORING 844 00:25:19,433 --> 00:25:20,866 ENFORCEMENT IN MANY STATES AND 845 00:25:20,866 --> 00:25:22,533 PEOPLE COME UP AND SAY WELL IN 846 00:25:22,533 --> 00:25:24,366 COLORADO YOU KNOW IT'S LEGAL AND 847 00:25:24,366 --> 00:25:25,566 PEOPLE ARE USING IT AND THERE AS 848 00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:27,166 BEEN NO CONSEQUENCES. 849 00:25:27,166 --> 00:25:28,733 I THINK THERE IS GOING TO COME A 850 00:25:28,733 --> 00:25:30,866 TIME IN THE COURTS AT SOME POINT 851 00:25:30,866 --> 00:25:32,600 AND MAYBE SOONER THAN LATER 852 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,066 WHERE THIS IS REALLY LOOKED AT 853 00:25:34,066 --> 00:25:35,633 AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE ARE 854 00:25:35,633 --> 00:25:38,633 A REAL RULE OF SOCIETY OR PICK 855 00:25:38,633 --> 00:25:39,933 AND CHOOSE THE LAWS WE WANTS TO 856 00:25:39,933 --> 00:25:40,900 FOLLOW. 857 00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:42,033 >> THANK YOU SIR YOU GUYS WILL 858 00:25:42,033 --> 00:25:42,933 WIN THIS ONE. 859 00:25:42,933 --> 00:25:43,766 >> WE WILL. 860 00:25:43,766 --> 00:25:45,033 >> LET'S SEE IF YOU DO 861 00:25:45,033 --> 00:25:45,533 APPRECIATE IT. 862 00:25:45,533 --> 00:25:47,766 GOOD TO SEE YOU AND HAVE A NICE 863 00:25:47,766 --> 00:25:49,200 WEEKEND AND SEE YOU NEXT WEEK 864 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,333 HERE ON "OFF THE RECORD." 865 00:25:50,333 --> 00:25:51,066 PRODUCTION OF "OFF THE RECORD" 866 00:25:51,066 --> 00:25:53,566 IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A 867 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