♪♪ ♪♪ -Two days before Thanksgiving, in 1997, I said, "What's going on?" And then you said, "I can't tell you, because if I do, you'll leave me and take the children, and I'll never see them again." And I said, "You'd probably better tell me, then, 'cause you can't leave it hanging like that." -You can't leave it like that. So that's when I told you. -First thing I remember is you said that you were in the wrong body, that you should be a man. -And if it had seemed to me that I was going to lose you and I was gonna lose the kids, I would have said, "Okay, I'm not transitioning." But you told me that we'll work it out. You know, we were walking through a territory without a map, because we didn't have anybody ahead of us. -And we just kind of fell out of holding hands when we were walking along the street. -Spontaneous affection -- we couldn't do it comfortably anymore. -A lot of it was me because it became clear that I would be perceived as gay. But, at one point, I realized that I didn't fall in love with a couple of body pieces. I decided, "This is the person." -And I was still the same person. -More so. More like the fun person I remembered from 30-odd years ago than before the transition. -Amanda was 7 at this point. And I explained to her where this was going. And she burst into tears and threw herself onto my lap. And she says, "Oh, please, don't change into a man. If you have to change into anything, couldn't it be a cat?" And that was not a question I had prepared myself to answer. I mean, I was kind of stunned. Do you remember, Amanda? -Uh, barely. Like, I was 7. -I think I was 11, right? 10, 11? -10. -I was really worried about you not wanting to be my mother anymore. So it was pretty intense. -Did you guys ever feel like maybe it was your fault, that something that you guys had done -- -You made that pretty dang clear, that it had nothing to do with us. -What were you most concerned about when you told us? -Well, you know, girls learn how to be women from their mothers. -Right. -And I was terrified that I was gonna totally screw you up. And my only defense against that, in my mind, was to go, "They'll see love," and have that be what makes a relationship work. -So, and this is a little scary for me to ask, were you ever prepared to not see us again or...? -No, that was never, ever an option. -Okay. -I mean, it's just been amazing to watch you. You stuck with it. You persisted. And every year, my -- my respect for you grows and grows. Love you. -Love you. [ Both chuckle ] ♪♪ ♪♪