WEBVTT 00:01.466 --> 00:03.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Announcer] Funding for Overhead with Evan Smith 00:03.166 --> 00:07.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is provided in part by the Alice Kleberg Reynolds Foundation 00:07.133 --> 00:11.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and Hillco Partners, a Texas Government Affairs consultancy. 00:11.700 --> 00:16.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And by KLRU's Producers Circle, ensuring local programming 00:16.033 --> 00:18.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that reflects the character and interests 00:18.100 --> 00:21.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of the greater Austin, Texas, community. 00:21.333 --> 00:23.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I'm Evan Smith, he's a former U.S. Secretary 00:23.466 --> 00:26.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of Housing and Urban Development and a former San Antonio 00:26.300 --> 00:29.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% mayor widely regarded as a rising star in the Democratic 00:29.500 --> 00:33.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% party and a possible future candidate for president. 00:33.566 --> 00:37.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% He's the honorable Julian Castro, this is Overhead. 00:37.033 --> 00:38.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (inspirational music) 00:38.566 --> 00:40.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Let's be honest, is the about the ability to learn 00:40.566 --> 00:42.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or is this about the experience 00:42.566 --> 00:44.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of not having been taught properly? 00:44.500 --> 00:46.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% How have you avoided what has befallen 00:46.366 --> 00:48.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% other nations in Africa? 00:48.200 --> 00:49.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I hate to say he made his own bed, 00:49.566 --> 00:51.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but you caused him to sleep in it. 00:51.433 --> 00:54.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You saw a problem and over time took it on. 00:54.966 --> 00:58.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Let's start with the sizzle before we get to the steak. 00:58.100 --> 00:59.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Are you gonna run for president? 00:59.333 --> 01:01.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think I just got an F from you. 01:01.800 --> 01:03.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% This is Overheard. 01:05.766 --> 01:07.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Mr. Secretary, good to see you. 01:07.200 --> 01:08.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Great to be with ya. 01:08.700 --> 01:09.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Welcome back to Texas, I guess you're living here now 01:09.900 --> 01:11.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% so it's not really much of a welcome back 01:11.666 --> 01:13.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but in some ways. - But welcome back to Austin. 01:13.100 --> 01:14.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You've been gone, welcome back to Austin. 01:14.533 --> 01:15.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So here we are, I looked it up today, 01:15.766 --> 01:18.200 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% it's day 124 of the Trump administration. 01:18.200 --> 01:20.366 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% - Ah. - Does that feel long 01:20.366 --> 01:23.500 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% or short based on what we've seen so far? 01:23.500 --> 01:27.766 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - It feels like the longest 124 days of our national life. 01:27.766 --> 01:29.266 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - Is it really any different than you expected? 01:29.266 --> 01:31.766 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% I mean, obviously, your side going into this election, 01:31.766 --> 01:34.133 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% thought you had it won, didn't end up that way, 01:34.133 --> 01:36.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% coming out of it, worried your fears would be realized 01:36.400 --> 01:39.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and in many respects, suspicions confirmed, 01:39.100 --> 01:41.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it's been somewhat like you thought. 01:41.100 --> 01:44.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Has it been really though worse than you thought? 01:44.000 --> 01:45.533 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Oh, no doubt. 01:45.533 --> 01:48.300 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Let's start off with a caveat, that caveat is we're only 01:48.300 --> 01:51.866 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% a few months in, and I think that Americans 01:53.266 --> 01:55.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of all different stripes tend to give a president 01:55.700 --> 01:58.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a little bit of room to learn and grow on the job. 01:58.966 --> 02:00.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Whether they were for him or not. 02:00.266 --> 02:03.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - That's right and that's usually reflected 02:03.666 --> 02:06.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in public opinion polls. - And you want him to succeed. 02:06.133 --> 02:07.600 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% - Of course. - Of course, 02:07.600 --> 02:09.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% everybody wants the president to succeed. 02:09.066 --> 02:10.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Everybody wants the president to be successful 02:10.533 --> 02:12.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in moving the nation forward in the right direction, 02:12.766 --> 02:14.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of course, we have very strong disagreements 02:14.366 --> 02:17.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% about what that means, but you want for the sake 02:17.833 --> 02:21.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of that office and the country for him to succeed. 02:21.000 --> 02:25.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Having said that, it has been a mess, unqualified mess. 02:26.066 --> 02:28.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughs) 02:28.200 --> 02:31.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You have a president that looks like, if reports are true, 02:31.433 --> 02:34.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that he's abusing his power, potentially has obstructed 02:34.466 --> 02:38.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% justice in terms of the investigation into possible 02:39.800 --> 02:43.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% collusion between his campaign and Russia, 02:43.800 --> 02:46.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% they put together a healthcare package that would mean 02:46.866 --> 02:51.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that 24 million less Americans would have healthcare, 02:51.500 --> 02:56.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% put forward a budget that just decimates opportunity 02:56.033 --> 03:00.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% for people who are low income and even middle class. 03:00.300 --> 03:01.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think in fact every state agency except 03:01.633 --> 03:03.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for Homeland Security, Defense, and Veterans 03:03.733 --> 03:05.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% saw a decrease in this budget. 03:05.733 --> 03:09.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, it's a train wreck of a budget. 03:09.533 --> 03:11.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But practically, it's dead, I mean, 03:11.333 --> 03:12.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that budget's not gonna go in, practically. 03:12.766 --> 03:14.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So it doesn't matter who the president is, 03:14.366 --> 03:15.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you're not gonna get everything that you want. 03:15.900 --> 03:18.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% In this case, I hope that he gets nothing that he wants. 03:18.433 --> 03:20.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% (audience laughs, applauds) 03:20.900 --> 03:24.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Just to give you an example of that, 03:24.233 --> 03:29.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% over at my former department at HUD, the proposal was to cut 03:29.100 --> 03:32.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% more than $6 billion from the HUD budget. 03:32.766 --> 03:35.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Now mind you, when Reagan walked in the door in 1981, 03:35.333 --> 03:38.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HUD had about 16,000 employees. 03:38.300 --> 03:41.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Today it has less than 8000 and at the same time, 03:41.900 --> 03:43.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the needs out there have grown. 03:43.833 --> 03:45.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well the population has grown, right? 03:45.333 --> 03:48.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Population has grown and the needs have grown 03:48.366 --> 03:50.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and this is a budget that would cut from the ability 03:50.900 --> 03:53.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to provide for low-income and middle class Americans 03:53.266 --> 03:56.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% housing opportunity, it also would impact things 03:56.733 --> 03:58.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% like Meals on Wheels, which is very popular 03:58.900 --> 04:02.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and make sure that poor seniors have food to eat 04:02.866 --> 04:07.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% during the day, and so it's a very draconian compassionless 04:09.400 --> 04:12.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% budget that we haven't seen in a very long time. 04:12.666 --> 04:14.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - You know, there are Democrats I've had the opportunity 04:14.366 --> 04:16.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to sit across from, some Democrats including Nancy Pelosi 04:16.866 --> 04:19.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% recently, we interviewed her a couple weeks ago, 04:19.266 --> 04:20.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and she said, "I can't believe I'm saying this, 04:20.633 --> 04:21.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% "but I miss George Bush." 04:21.900 --> 04:25.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You know, I actually saw that, I saw that. 04:25.766 --> 04:27.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And she's not the only one to say that, 04:27.266 --> 04:28.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I mean, there is this idea that somehow those of us 04:28.966 --> 04:31.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who thought, not myself, but people who thought 04:31.066 --> 04:34.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the Bush era, we hate this, this is not what we wanted, 04:34.866 --> 04:37.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% they're nostalgic actually for a time like that. 04:37.200 --> 04:39.233 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% - You know, to me, and the budget is a good example of this, 04:39.233 --> 04:43.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to me it just feels like he's turning over the supervision 04:43.933 --> 04:48.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and mechanics of government to right-wing ideologues. 04:49.466 --> 04:52.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I would be surprised if President Trump actually knows 04:52.333 --> 04:54.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the basics of what's in the budget 04:54.400 --> 04:56.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that has been proposed on his behalf. 04:56.233 --> 04:58.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You think it's staff driving this 04:58.066 --> 04:59.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as opposed to his vision top-down. 04:59.666 --> 05:01.233 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - No doubt. 05:01.233 --> 05:02.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Let me make the counter case to you, Mr. Secretary, 05:02.500 --> 05:04.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that there were things about the Obama years 05:04.033 --> 05:06.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that needed to be fixed, that is the case that was made 05:06.533 --> 05:08.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% during the campaign, it's the case that's being made now 05:08.833 --> 05:11.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and this budget and the policies that have been 05:11.766 --> 05:14.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% put into place or have been articulated since inauguration 05:14.300 --> 05:17.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% day are really an attempt to rescue the country 05:17.000 --> 05:18.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% from the brink, that was the argument 05:18.833 --> 05:20.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that Mr. Trump made during the campaign. 05:20.866 --> 05:22.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Well the argument that he made during the campaign 05:22.566 --> 05:25.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% was that there were forgotten Americans, 05:25.266 --> 05:28.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% folks, for instance, who lived in Wisconsin or Michigan 05:28.933 --> 05:33.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or Ohio who had been impacted by free trade 05:33.000 --> 05:37.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and jobs moving overseas, the problem is that he hasn't 05:37.900 --> 05:40.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% lived up to his promises. 05:40.066 --> 05:42.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% For instance, in this budget, he takes away 05:42.700 --> 05:45.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% economic development money from the very communities 05:45.700 --> 05:48.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that he said that he would help to revitalize. 05:48.233 --> 05:50.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And in many cases, communities that voted for him. 05:50.533 --> 05:52.033 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - That's true. 05:52.033 --> 05:54.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - The Affordable Healthcare Act translates into the AHCA, 05:54.533 --> 05:56.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it is said that the people who will be hardest hit 05:56.633 --> 05:59.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are often people who voted for him, 05:59.033 --> 06:00.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in the communities that supported him. 06:00.633 --> 06:01.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - No doubt, no doubt. 06:01.966 --> 06:03.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% What folks have to understand about Donald Trump 06:03.333 --> 06:06.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is that he spent the last four decades almost 06:06.933 --> 06:09.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% doing certain things like railing against free trade, 06:09.533 --> 06:13.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% railing against China, railing against Saudi Arabia, 06:13.300 --> 06:16.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% at one point in the 1980s railing against Japan too, 06:16.833 --> 06:20.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and he gets into office and the first thing that he does 06:20.066 --> 06:24.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is to say, well, maybe China's not a currency manipulator, 06:24.200 --> 06:26.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and maybe we do need NATO after all, 06:26.766 --> 06:30.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and no, we're not gonna scrap NAFTA the way that I said 06:30.533 --> 06:32.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that we were, we're gonna go ahead and try and renegotiate 06:32.733 --> 06:36.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it with Canada and Mexico, so time after time, 06:38.600 --> 06:41.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% not only has he gone back on what he promised 06:41.033 --> 06:43.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% during the campaign, he's not even the same guy 06:43.300 --> 06:46.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that he was before he went into politics. 06:46.566 --> 06:50.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He has turned into, basically, Mike Pence, 06:50.500 --> 06:53.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% a right-wing ideologue and so, 06:55.233 --> 06:58.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% whether it's 2018 or 2020, the decision that people 06:58.000 --> 07:02.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% are gonna have to make is do they trust someone who flat out 07:02.533 --> 07:06.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% lied to them about the man that he would be as president. 07:06.300 --> 07:07.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You understand though, Mr. Secretary, 07:07.700 --> 07:09.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that although his approval ratings are lower 07:09.766 --> 07:13.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% than most presidents over time have been at this point, 07:13.433 --> 07:16.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% at the end of the day, a lot of the people who supported him 07:16.300 --> 07:20.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% are still with him, they actually knew he was imperfect, 07:20.100 --> 07:22.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that he maybe said things that didn't square with facts 07:22.300 --> 07:24.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% during the campaign or that he had done things 07:24.800 --> 07:27.066 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% that you would kinda shield your eyes from, 07:27.066 --> 07:28.866 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% but they still voted for him, what makes you think 07:28.866 --> 07:30.833 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that all of a sudden now, they're gonna break with him 07:30.833 --> 07:32.800 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% when they had ample opportunity to break with him 07:32.800 --> 07:34.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% before and did not? 07:34.300 --> 07:38.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Number one, in August of 1974, there were people 07:39.600 --> 07:41.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who were still with Richard Nixon. 07:41.733 --> 07:42.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right, it was only at the very end 07:42.866 --> 07:44.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that he lost the majority of Republicans. 07:44.466 --> 07:46.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - No no, I'm saying at the very end, 07:46.233 --> 07:48.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when he flew out in the helicopter. 07:48.300 --> 07:49.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughs) 07:49.533 --> 07:52.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I bet you that there were 25 or 30% of people 07:52.700 --> 07:54.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who didn't think that he should be flying out 07:54.466 --> 07:57.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the helicopter, who didn't think that he should resign. 07:57.900 --> 08:02.600 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% And so let's dispense with the idea that his support 08:02.600 --> 08:04.900 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% is ever gonna go down to zero, it's not. 08:04.900 --> 08:08.366 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Now I think the more interesting question is, 08:08.366 --> 08:12.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the 10 to 15% of folks who would determine an election. 08:12.800 --> 08:14.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There's very good polling data out, 08:14.666 --> 08:17.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% compilation of months of polling that has shown 08:17.600 --> 08:20.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that the folks who strongly support him 08:20.500 --> 08:23.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% has diminished by 1/3. 08:23.200 --> 08:25.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And so he's losing those folks, 08:25.900 --> 08:28.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% he's losing them because people can tell it's a mess. 08:28.233 --> 08:29.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So you think if the election were held today, 08:29.533 --> 08:30.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he might have a hard time winning. 08:30.933 --> 08:32.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Oh, no doubt, no doubt, and not only that, 08:32.966 --> 08:35.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the other thing I was gonna say is, election, 08:35.700 --> 08:38.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% whatever election it is, I don't care if it's for school 08:38.000 --> 08:41.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% board or for city council or president 08:42.500 --> 08:45.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is always a match-up between two or three people. 08:45.933 --> 08:48.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And he's never gonna have the same match-up again. 08:48.000 --> 08:49.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It's a choice, not a referendum. 08:49.200 --> 08:50.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - It is a choice, that's right, 08:50.433 --> 08:54.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and so it's a choice, there's also timing, 08:54.066 --> 08:56.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he's gonna have a track record next time. 08:56.566 --> 08:59.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The Republicans are gonna lose their majority in Congress 08:59.400 --> 09:01.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in 2018. - Well you say that. 09:01.133 --> 09:02.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience applauds) 09:02.400 --> 09:05.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We don't know that, well we don't know. 09:06.600 --> 09:08.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Well I guess, Evan, you're right, we don't know. 09:08.666 --> 09:10.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - These guys notwithstanding. 09:10.700 --> 09:12.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% If you were sitting here on November 7th, 09:12.500 --> 09:14.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you'd say, and we're gonna win the presidency the next day. 09:14.600 --> 09:17.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Let me just say that if I was a betting man, 09:17.233 --> 09:20.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% if I were a betting man, I would put money on the Democrats. 09:20.500 --> 09:24.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - House, Senate, or both? - Well keep at least 09:24.000 --> 09:27.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% holding the Senate, winning back the House. 09:27.366 --> 09:29.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Holding the Senate in what respect? 09:29.333 --> 09:31.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Holding the seats that we have in the Senate. 09:31.066 --> 09:33.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Currently. - Yeah, 48 essentially. 09:33.800 --> 09:36.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But not winning back a majority. 09:36.833 --> 09:38.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Right now I'm not willing to say that because 09:38.600 --> 09:40.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there are a couple of states that are very difficult. 09:40.700 --> 09:42.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well the fact is there are 10 seats 09:42.033 --> 09:44.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that the Democrats have to win next time, 09:44.033 --> 09:46.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% when they're up for reelection, that were either in states 09:46.033 --> 09:48.500 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% won by Trump or that Trump barely lost, so you're gonna have 09:48.500 --> 09:51.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to assume that those are gonna be hard to hold. 09:51.533 --> 09:54.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I think that we're gonna hold everything that we have now. 09:54.566 --> 09:56.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So you said every election is a choice, not a referendum, 09:56.100 --> 09:59.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% if that's the case, is the reason 09:59.166 --> 10:02.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that we're in the situation we're in now because Trump won 10:02.433 --> 10:05.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or because your side lost a winnable election. 10:05.166 --> 10:07.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Do a little bit of self analysis or autopsy 10:07.066 --> 10:08.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% on what happened last time. 10:08.533 --> 10:11.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It's clear that from the very beginning, 10:11.033 --> 10:13.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you had a race that was gonna be a challenge 10:13.866 --> 10:16.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% for Democrats to win, and I said that because the Democrats 10:16.300 --> 10:19.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% had held the presidency for two terms 10:19.166 --> 10:22.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and it's rare that you get a third time with the same party. 10:22.700 --> 10:24.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - George H.W. Bush. - That was the last person. 10:24.200 --> 10:25.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Is the exception that proves the rule. 10:25.633 --> 10:27.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - That's right so when you start thinking 10:27.266 --> 10:30.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% about the framework of that, it was always gonna be tough. 10:30.333 --> 10:33.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Secondly, there's no question that something was in the air 10:33.766 --> 10:37.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in 2016, populism, to a certain extent nationalism, 10:37.766 --> 10:40.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% this idea of America first that Trump ran on. 10:40.166 --> 10:41.666 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Russia. 10:41.666 --> 10:44.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Russia, we don't know what the impact of that was 10:44.133 --> 10:46.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or wasn't right now, but yeah, it's conceivable 10:46.533 --> 10:49.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that that contributed, of course. 10:49.000 --> 10:52.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So I think that the overall dynamics of the race, 10:52.866 --> 10:55.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% if somebody were looking back on it, 10:55.200 --> 10:57.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% they would say that they were not good for Democrats. 10:57.300 --> 10:59.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Easier to see now when you look back 10:59.766 --> 11:01.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% over the totality of it. 11:01.866 --> 11:04.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And Trump was an unconventional candidate. 11:04.633 --> 11:08.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% He also did a very good job of, and I think here is where 11:08.733 --> 11:12.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the Russian influence and social media influences 11:12.500 --> 11:15.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% comes into play, they did a very good job, and by very good, 11:15.733 --> 11:18.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I mean effective, of smearing Hillary Clinton. 11:18.933 --> 11:21.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Basically on social media, they turned Hillary Clinton 11:21.433 --> 11:23.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% into somebody that she was not. 11:23.433 --> 11:26.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I can't tell you how many times when I would post something 11:26.066 --> 11:29.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% on Facebook or on Twitter, I would get back this really 11:29.433 --> 11:33.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% virulent strain of, oh, this person is a criminal, 11:33.166 --> 11:36.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% she should be in jail, I mean, come on. 11:36.833 --> 11:39.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But they used the tools available to them, 11:39.100 --> 11:41.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% they used the new tools particularly of campaigning. 11:41.233 --> 11:42.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - For sure. - And as they say, 11:42.533 --> 11:44.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% this stuff ain't bean bag, it's tough stuff, 11:44.666 --> 11:45.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and they used it effectively. 11:45.933 --> 11:48.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think that it's gonna be difficult 11:48.633 --> 11:52.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% for either party to achieve that kind of result 11:52.966 --> 11:54.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in the future because I think people are, 11:54.600 --> 11:58.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% each time folks go through that as a populace, 12:00.500 --> 12:01.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% they get a little bit smarter. 12:01.933 --> 12:04.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So you learned from at least that aspect 12:04.266 --> 12:06.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of the last campaign, you learned about that. 12:06.100 --> 12:08.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% What did you learn about the Democratic message, 12:08.933 --> 12:12.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what the message of your party needs to be. 12:12.100 --> 12:13.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% If you go back now and you look at what the message was 12:13.700 --> 12:15.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the last election and you think ahead two years 12:15.966 --> 12:18.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or four years, what should the message be, 12:18.700 --> 12:20.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what tweaks would you make to the message? 12:20.833 --> 12:25.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I would focus a lot more on what the policies Democrats 12:25.333 --> 12:28.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% embrace would do for low income and middle class Americans. 12:28.800 --> 12:30.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - An affirmative argument. - An affirmative argument 12:30.500 --> 12:35.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% instead of an argument that focuses so much on, 12:35.066 --> 12:38.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% this is a bad guy and look at what our children 12:38.200 --> 12:40.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% are thinking, watching him. 12:40.766 --> 12:42.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I just think that that didn't seem to resonate 12:42.533 --> 12:44.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the way that folks thought it would. 12:44.666 --> 12:47.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But look at his policies, look at the fact that he's gonna 12:47.466 --> 12:49.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% strip healthcare from 24 million Americans, 12:49.933 --> 12:53.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that he's making it harder for poor senior citizens 12:53.200 --> 12:56.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to get some food delivered to their doorstep, 12:56.200 --> 12:58.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that he's making it more difficult for folks 12:58.500 --> 13:01.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who are developing HIV in Africa, 13:01.033 --> 13:03.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% something that President Bush championed, supporting them, 13:03.866 --> 13:07.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% taking that away or at least 1/5 of that budget. 13:07.400 --> 13:11.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So there's plenty there that shows that this is a guy, 13:11.533 --> 13:14.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who is a billionaire, who is making policy 13:14.600 --> 13:17.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or suggesting policy to reward billionaires and millionaires 13:17.800 --> 13:21.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in Wall Street and I would focus a lot more there. 13:21.166 --> 13:24.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We need to lay out a positive vision 13:24.266 --> 13:26.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for opportunity in the 21st century, 13:26.366 --> 13:28.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it needs to focus on opportunity for everyone. 13:28.933 --> 13:31.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% If folks remember when Barack Obama 13:33.266 --> 13:36.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% emerged in 2007, 2008, there was this great hope 13:36.100 --> 13:39.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in this sense that opportunity would be expanded 13:39.200 --> 13:41.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and it contrasted very well with the Bush years 13:41.800 --> 13:46.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and I believe that the Democrats have a golden opportunity 13:46.200 --> 13:50.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to do that going forward against Trump because it's so 13:51.733 --> 13:54.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% focused on the past, it's stuck in trickle down economics, 13:54.266 --> 13:57.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it's such a mess, it's just dour, 13:58.500 --> 14:01.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that we have a real chance to be something different. 14:01.600 --> 14:03.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So on the subject of Obama, I wanna look backward 14:03.566 --> 14:05.666 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% before we look forward, I wanna talk about your time 14:05.666 --> 14:07.233 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% as HUD Secretary, what did you learn, 14:07.233 --> 14:08.700 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% why was this a good decision? 14:08.700 --> 14:11.300 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% People say, well he's rising up through the Democratic ranks 14:11.300 --> 14:12.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at least in his home state of Texas, 14:12.866 --> 14:15.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he's running a city that was then and is now 14:15.200 --> 14:16.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the seventh largest city in the country, 14:16.833 --> 14:19.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% dealing with a lot of problems that affect people's lives 14:19.066 --> 14:21.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% every day, he's gonna disappear into a federal cabinet, 14:21.900 --> 14:24.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% he goes to Washington, he becomes part of the problem, 14:24.466 --> 14:26.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% not part of the solution in the rest of the country, 14:26.566 --> 14:27.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% why was this a good decision, 14:27.933 --> 14:30.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what'd you accomplish, what'd you learn? 14:30.300 --> 14:33.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - The satisfaction that I got from serving at HUD 14:33.966 --> 14:37.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% was the knowledge that the work that you're doing 14:37.233 --> 14:40.766 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% is helping to provide opportunity for folks 14:40.766 --> 14:44.566 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% who are low income, folks who are middle class 14:44.566 --> 14:46.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but are willing to work hard and are just trying 14:46.533 --> 14:48.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to reach their dreams in the United States 14:48.500 --> 14:52.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and to go and see the country and see what's working 14:52.133 --> 14:54.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and what's not, I got to visit 100 different communities 14:54.700 --> 14:57.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in 39 different states, I never would have had 14:57.400 --> 14:59.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the opportunity to do that, 14:59.466 --> 15:01.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% at least in the same amount of time, as mayor. 15:01.733 --> 15:03.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The satisfaction of being mayor was that you kinda have 15:03.600 --> 15:05.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the wind at your back, there's a sense of community, 15:05.600 --> 15:08.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a pride in the city, that's what it felt like being mayor 15:08.733 --> 15:11.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because things just move much more swiftly. 15:11.766 --> 15:16.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The bureaucracy sometimes lived up to its reputation, 15:16.166 --> 15:19.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% things go a lot more slowly, you're dealing in an ecosystem 15:19.000 --> 15:21.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% where you're not in command of your own ship 15:21.666 --> 15:24.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because Congress appropriates your funds, 15:24.400 --> 15:26.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you have a whole bunch of rules and regulations 15:26.400 --> 15:27.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that have built up over the years, 15:27.933 --> 15:32.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but what I learned was that when we do policy right 15:33.433 --> 15:36.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and we make the right investments, that you can make 15:36.100 --> 15:38.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a fundamental difference in people's lives. 15:38.200 --> 15:40.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The best example of that was the Obama administration's 15:40.733 --> 15:42.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% push to end veteran homelessness. 15:42.866 --> 15:46.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Because of smart policies like Housing First, 15:46.133 --> 15:48.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% which says the first thing that we're gonna do 15:48.166 --> 15:49.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is get somebody into permanent housing, 15:49.800 --> 15:52.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% not make them jump through hoops to get housing, 15:52.366 --> 15:55.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% because the Congress appropriated the right resources 15:55.966 --> 15:58.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% because mayors and county governments out there 15:58.900 --> 16:00.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% got on board and starting trying 16:00.466 --> 16:02.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to drive down veteran homelessness. 16:02.133 --> 16:05.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Between 2010 and 2016, we saw veteran homelessness 16:05.300 --> 16:09.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% decline by 47% in the United States. 16:09.500 --> 16:13.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% 47%, that's proof that we can do good 16:13.633 --> 16:15.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% when we do government right. 16:15.466 --> 16:17.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Now did you talk to Ben Carson, your successor at HUD, 16:17.700 --> 16:20.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% about this program or any other program, 16:20.366 --> 16:21.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I mean seriously, I mean there's obviously a handoff 16:21.866 --> 16:24.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of responsibilities at that agency as you looked ahead 16:24.066 --> 16:26.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to a new administration, how much guidance 16:26.766 --> 16:28.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and what kind of guidance, 16:28.266 --> 16:29.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% if you're willing to talk about it, did you give him? 16:29.866 --> 16:34.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - We had a brief conversation before the holidays last year, 16:34.600 --> 16:38.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% before he took office, and of course I offered my help 16:38.266 --> 16:42.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and he was very gracious, we really didn't get into much 16:42.600 --> 16:45.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of a policy discussion, I left him a short note, 16:45.366 --> 16:47.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% there at his desk. 16:47.366 --> 16:50.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Dear Secretary Carson, this is not brain surgery, get it? 16:50.066 --> 16:52.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughs) 16:52.633 --> 16:54.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% That would have been what I would have left him. 16:54.333 --> 16:58.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I will say that, to his credit, about a week ago, 16:58.066 --> 17:02.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% he assembled, he asked the last four or five HUD secretaries 17:02.366 --> 17:04.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and their spouses to join him in Washington 17:04.533 --> 17:06.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to have dinner and give input. 17:06.633 --> 17:09.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Now, I was not able to make it but I did get a hold 17:09.700 --> 17:12.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of his office and tell him that I'd love to give any input 17:12.600 --> 17:16.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% any time he has a question, any advice that I can provide 17:16.000 --> 17:18.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% because he's in a tough spot. 17:20.233 --> 17:21.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And you gotta root for him the way 17:21.733 --> 17:23.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you're rooting for the president, right? 17:23.200 --> 17:24.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I mean, at the end of the day, you want him to succeed. 17:24.900 --> 17:27.866 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% - His department is being decimated in terms of the budget, 17:27.866 --> 17:31.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in terms of the personnel, also I do disagree 17:31.433 --> 17:34.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% with the perspective that he has on the people 17:34.300 --> 17:38.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that HUD serves, I don't believe that receiving housing 17:38.366 --> 17:40.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% assistance or other types of assistance 17:40.666 --> 17:45.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% necessarily makes you dependent on government. 17:45.033 --> 17:48.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Now, I'm not saying he believes this part, 17:48.266 --> 17:52.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but I also don't believe that poor people are lazy, 17:52.833 --> 17:55.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I don't believe that there's something wrong with the idea 17:55.766 --> 17:59.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of trying to help people and my hope is that he will listen 18:01.266 --> 18:05.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to the many great professionals that have been there 18:05.233 --> 18:08.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at HUD over the years and know the programs, 18:08.200 --> 18:09.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% they know the impact that they're making, 18:09.933 --> 18:12.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and maybe just as importantly, listen to all the mayors 18:12.033 --> 18:14.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% out there, listen to the folks that are running 18:14.533 --> 18:16.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% housing authorities. - Who are on the ground. 18:16.133 --> 18:18.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah, they're on the ground, they're working with folks, 18:18.300 --> 18:20.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% they see the need out there, 18:20.400 --> 18:23.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% one program that's up for elimination 18:23.500 --> 18:25.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is Community Development Block Grants, CDBG, 18:25.533 --> 18:27.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and that's been around for 43 years now. 18:27.766 --> 18:29.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It makes a lot of difference. 18:29.766 --> 18:32.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% My hope is that he and the administration will actually 18:32.600 --> 18:34.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% listen to the need out there. 18:34.933 --> 18:36.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Well of course you were mayor and as I said, 18:36.333 --> 18:38.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% mayor of the seventh-largest city in the country, 18:38.133 --> 18:40.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% San Antonio, you would be one of the mayors 18:40.000 --> 18:42.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% he'd be talking to so go back now to your time as mayor. 18:42.500 --> 18:44.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% What were the things you took away that you would be 18:44.400 --> 18:46.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% telling Secretary Carson if he were asking you 18:46.100 --> 18:49.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% about the biggest challenges that are being faced 18:49.133 --> 18:51.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% on the ground in these cities? 18:51.666 --> 18:54.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Number one, that what the Obama administration did, 18:54.900 --> 18:56.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% now this is from when I was mayor, 18:56.833 --> 19:00.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to encourage the mayor to work with the school district 19:00.433 --> 19:02.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% superintendent, to work with the Housing Authority Director, 19:02.966 --> 19:07.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the transit administrator, everybody working together 19:07.333 --> 19:11.500 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% and physically take neighborhoods that need revitalization, 19:12.833 --> 19:15.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% include the community and then go step by step 19:15.533 --> 19:18.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% trying to work at the same time to improve the educational 19:18.333 --> 19:22.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% achievement, to lower crime, to improve transit options, 19:22.200 --> 19:26.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to try and get more jobs by investing in small businesses, 19:26.100 --> 19:29.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% neighborhood by neighborhood, go to the toughest sections 19:29.900 --> 19:33.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of cities, one by one, that was basically the idea 19:33.700 --> 19:37.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% behind Promizons and we'll see how much fruit that bears 19:37.800 --> 19:40.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the future but in San Antonio, at least preliminarily 19:40.200 --> 19:43.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% on the east side, we've seen that it is making a difference. 19:43.066 --> 19:47.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The graduation rate is higher, crime has gone down, 19:47.366 --> 19:51.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there's more of a sense of optimism in that community. 19:51.466 --> 19:52.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right. - So it can work. 19:52.866 --> 19:54.900 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - But of course the challenges in any big city, 19:54.900 --> 19:56.466 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% not just San Antonio, were going to be, 19:56.466 --> 19:57.966 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that's the nature of big cities, 19:57.966 --> 20:00.266 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% you have a disproportionately high number of people 20:00.266 --> 20:03.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% without health insurance, you have educational attainment 20:03.200 --> 20:05.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that may not be great at the K12 level 20:05.100 --> 20:07.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or college readiness may not be what it needs to be, 20:07.233 --> 20:09.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% poverty is a big issue to deal with. 20:09.200 --> 20:11.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Transportation, getting people from place to place, 20:11.333 --> 20:13.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% affordability of housing, these are pretty significant 20:13.100 --> 20:15.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% challenges, any one of them would be a significant challenge 20:15.333 --> 20:16.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but if you're a mayor of a big city, 20:16.866 --> 20:18.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you have to deal with all of them and it's just hard 20:18.700 --> 20:19.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to know which to tackle first. 20:19.966 --> 20:21.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, I mean I guess so my message would be 20:21.900 --> 20:25.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the sooner you get to addressing them holistically, 20:25.166 --> 20:27.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% working together at the local level. 20:27.400 --> 20:28.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Strategy, not tactics. - That's right, 20:28.666 --> 20:30.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and then the federal government working, 20:30.333 --> 20:33.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there were 17 different federal agencies working 20:33.700 --> 20:35.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% as part of this Promizons effort 20:35.766 --> 20:38.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and in San Antonio, when I was mayor, 20:38.033 --> 20:40.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we began working across those lines. 20:40.433 --> 20:43.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So my message would be encourage folks to look 20:43.866 --> 20:47.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% at these challenges holistically and you can both save money 20:47.666 --> 20:51.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and also have a bigger impact and the other thing 20:51.566 --> 20:54.366 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% I would just say is that there's a whole lot of need 20:54.366 --> 20:57.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% that is not apparent, but is there. 20:57.933 --> 21:00.766 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% The fact is that poor people, lower income folks, 21:00.766 --> 21:02.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% are often in the shadows, and I'm not saying anything 21:02.866 --> 21:04.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% profound that people don't know. 21:04.966 --> 21:06.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - But often they don't have a voice in conversations 21:06.466 --> 21:08.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% like this one. - They do not, they do not. 21:08.500 --> 21:10.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% They're not up there lobbying, they're not giving campaign 21:10.633 --> 21:14.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% contributions, they don't have the means to any kind 21:14.933 --> 21:19.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of megaphone that others do, and so I would just encourage, 21:19.266 --> 21:21.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% whether it's Secretary Carson or any of the other folks 21:21.833 --> 21:24.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the administration, when they do their listening tours, 21:24.766 --> 21:28.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% which I think is a good idea, that they also go out there 21:28.100 --> 21:29.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and try and listen to folks 21:29.300 --> 21:30.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who are actually living the challenges. 21:30.900 --> 21:32.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - In some of these communities. 21:32.166 --> 21:35.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So are you gonna run for president at some point? 21:35.300 --> 21:38.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I mean, I may as well just ask you straight away. 21:38.233 --> 21:40.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There's speculation about your. 21:40.366 --> 21:41.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience cheering) 21:41.966 --> 21:43.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There's speculation about your intentions. 21:43.933 --> 21:46.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There were many people who believed that we might see 21:46.600 --> 21:48.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what I thought of as a Patty Duke moment 21:48.933 --> 21:51.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at the top of the ticket in Texas in 2018, 21:51.866 --> 21:53.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% with you running for governor and your brother 21:53.600 --> 21:56.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% running for the Senate, O for two on that. 21:56.433 --> 21:59.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But then people naturally go to the next opportunity 21:59.166 --> 22:00.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for you to decide to get back into something 22:00.866 --> 22:02.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and that might be an election in 2020, 22:02.933 --> 22:04.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% well it sounds like every Democrat in the country 22:04.300 --> 22:06.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is talking about running so why not you? 22:06.233 --> 22:09.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I've said very clearly that I'm not taking that 22:09.366 --> 22:13.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% off the table, that I'll look and see how things develop 22:13.333 --> 22:16.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% over the next year or so and then make a decision 22:16.566 --> 22:18.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as to whether that's something that I wanna do. 22:18.766 --> 22:21.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - If someone in your situation were going to do this, 22:21.600 --> 22:24.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what would the case be for a former mayor 22:24.100 --> 22:27.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and former HUD secretary as opposed to. 22:27.000 --> 22:29.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You don't think I'm that dumb, do you, Evan? 22:29.133 --> 22:31.366 align:left position:40%,start line:83% size:50% Come on. (laughs) 22:31.366 --> 22:33.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I don't think dumb is a disqualification, candidly. 22:33.766 --> 22:36.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% (audience laughs, cheers) 22:36.300 --> 22:38.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - That's a good point. 22:40.800 --> 22:42.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You've got a bunch of United States Senators 22:42.166 --> 22:44.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who are in significant positions, you've got governors, 22:44.533 --> 22:46.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you've got people who are doing big things, 22:46.700 --> 22:49.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% being mayor of San Antonio or HUD secretary is not nothing 22:49.366 --> 22:52.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but what about the job appeals to you 22:53.666 --> 22:56.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or what about you might appeal to them. 22:56.333 --> 22:59.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well, first of all, that is not something 22:59.333 --> 23:02.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that I've made a decision to do. 23:02.066 --> 23:03.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I'm not suggesting you have. - And may well never. 23:03.266 --> 23:05.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - We're living in a land of hypotheses here. 23:05.366 --> 23:07.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - I would just say that 23:08.600 --> 23:12.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a lot of attention has been focused on this 23:12.633 --> 23:16.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Make America Great Again and the word in that phrase 23:16.866 --> 23:20.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that sticks out to me is the word again. 23:20.366 --> 23:24.033 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% Because this entire administration is just looking backward 23:24.033 --> 23:27.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I feel like that we need a vision 23:28.666 --> 23:30.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that is forward-looking, that we need to embrace 23:30.800 --> 23:34.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the 21st century and that we need new blood at all levels 23:34.866 --> 23:38.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that is going to be bold and really set out 23:38.566 --> 23:40.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a positive vision for expanding opportunity 23:40.766 --> 23:42.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% instead of pitting people against each other 23:42.900 --> 23:46.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and scapegoating folks the way that this administration has. 23:46.500 --> 23:48.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And so whether somebody's running for mayor 23:48.966 --> 23:53.900 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% or for governor or for president, I'm gravitating toward 23:53.900 --> 23:57.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% people like that and I recently just endorsed a fellow, 23:57.066 --> 23:59.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Andrew Gillum, who's the mayor of Tallahassee, 23:59.000 --> 24:01.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that's running for governor of Florida, 24:01.000 --> 24:04.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Colin Allred who actually worked with me out there at HUD. 24:04.033 --> 24:06.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Former NFL player who's running for Congress in Texas. 24:06.300 --> 24:10.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - NFL player, lawyer, just a terrific, genuine guy 24:10.333 --> 24:14.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who is also young, who's running against Pete Sessions 24:14.133 --> 24:16.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the 32nd Congressional district of Texas. 24:16.633 --> 24:19.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I don't know how much that adds up to 24:19.433 --> 24:23.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or whether the, what the sense is gonna be in 2018 or 2020 24:25.066 --> 24:29.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and whether I run or not but my sense is that this country 24:29.066 --> 24:32.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is looking for a vision for the future, 24:33.233 --> 24:34.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% not a vision for the past. 24:34.433 --> 24:35.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Is there anybody at the national level 24:35.866 --> 24:38.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who is talking about running, if it's not you, 24:38.000 --> 24:39.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who you look to and you think, the kind of person 24:39.833 --> 24:42.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I'd be comfortable supporting, who I would be interested 24:42.566 --> 24:45.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in supporting potentially is, blank. 24:45.266 --> 24:47.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think there are plenty of folks. 24:47.966 --> 24:50.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There are very talented folks from Elizabeth Warren 24:50.400 --> 24:53.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, 24:53.733 --> 24:56.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that's why sometimes I read this, 24:58.266 --> 25:02.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in Politico or some of these other commentary news sites, 25:03.800 --> 25:06.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% this idea that the Democrats don't have a bench. 25:06.400 --> 25:07.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You think the bench is pretty good. 25:07.700 --> 25:08.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Oh for sure. - In fact there are perhaps 25:08.933 --> 25:10.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% two dozen people who are talking about running, 25:10.400 --> 25:11.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that feels like a pretty deep bench. 25:11.600 --> 25:12.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Whether they win or not. 25:12.966 --> 25:15.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And again, as I said, at the end of the day, 25:15.566 --> 25:18.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it's a choice that folks have to make, 25:18.133 --> 25:21.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and so you don't need a perfect person, 25:21.066 --> 25:24.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% what you need is somebody that has the right values, 25:24.100 --> 25:26.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that has the right experience, has the right vision, 25:26.866 --> 25:29.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and then folks are gonna make a choice, 25:29.300 --> 25:33.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I assume it's still gonna be Donald Trump but who knows. 25:33.100 --> 25:34.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - You know, we're living in a who-knows world, aren't we? 25:34.800 --> 25:37.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Right, when will you decide? 25:37.266 --> 25:38.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Probably next year. 25:38.633 --> 25:39.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Okay, well then you come back. 25:39.700 --> 25:40.866 align:left position:40%,start line:83% size:50% - Yeah. - Okay. 25:40.866 --> 25:42.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Mr. Secretary, thank you very much. 25:42.333 --> 25:45.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience applauding) 25:46.866 --> 25:48.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Announcer] We'd love to have you join us in the studio. 25:48.766 --> 25:52.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Visit our website at klru.org/overheard 25:52.833 --> 25:55.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to find invitations to interviews, 25:55.466 --> 25:57.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Q&As with our audience and guests, 25:57.400 --> 26:00.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and an archive of past episodes. 26:00.466 --> 26:01.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - 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