WEBVTT 00:01.400 --> 00:02.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [DOUGLAS BRINKLEY] Anybody have any questions? 00:02.866 --> 00:03.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [EVAN SMITH] Yes, Steve will get the microphone set. 00:03.800 --> 00:04.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Okay, so if you have questions, 00:04.733 --> 00:06.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you're welcome to come down 00:06.000 --> 00:07.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and we'll take as many as time permits. Dan. 00:07.833 --> 00:09.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Before to go on, 00:09.066 --> 00:11.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Molly Ivins would also be a great, 00:11.333 --> 00:12.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% along with Hunter. 00:12.833 --> 00:13.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% There's a great documentary 00:13.833 --> 00:15.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% on her at South By. 00:15.666 --> 00:17.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [SMITH] Yes. [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Anyway, what about 00:17.166 --> 00:18.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the Democratic field. Your thoughts? 00:18.666 --> 00:20.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [SMITH] Do you have a view on the Democrats' prospects 00:20.266 --> 00:22.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in the next election? [BRINKLEY] I do, 00:22.333 --> 00:23.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I think it's all 00:23.600 --> 00:25.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about whether Joe Biden runs or not. 00:25.533 --> 00:26.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And it looks like-- 00:26.733 --> 00:27.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] Looks like he's going to, right? 00:27.733 --> 00:29.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [BRINKLEY] And if Biden runs, 00:29.166 --> 00:31.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I think he'll be a front runner 00:31.233 --> 00:32.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for almost the whole time 00:32.933 --> 00:34.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and it would really take somebody 00:34.266 --> 00:35.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to turn the apple cart over 00:35.800 --> 00:37.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in Iowa or New Hampshire. 00:37.800 --> 00:40.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Beto O'Rourke from Texas has a shot at it 00:40.266 --> 00:42.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% if he could win Iowa. 00:42.366 --> 00:45.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's a demographic that should be good for him. 00:45.166 --> 00:48.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And if he could be the darling of Iowa 00:48.166 --> 00:49.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and suddenly wins there, 00:49.500 --> 00:51.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he could be on a great trajectory. 00:51.766 --> 00:53.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% But it he loses Iowa, 00:53.100 --> 00:55.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Biden's gonna do well in New Hampshire. 00:55.500 --> 00:56.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] And especially South Carolina. 00:56.800 --> 00:57.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He'll do very well in South Carolina. 00:57.766 --> 00:58.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [BRINKLEY] --South Carolina. 00:58.833 --> 01:00.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And then he gets to California 01:00.000 --> 01:03.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and you have Kamala Harris there 01:03.066 --> 01:05.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and she's gonna grab a bunch of delegates. 01:05.133 --> 01:07.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Where would a Beto O'Rourke start gathering 01:07.266 --> 01:08.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% all those delegates? 01:08.433 --> 01:10.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But the Bernie Sanders vote 01:10.166 --> 01:12.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% has been deeply underappreciated. 01:12.300 --> 01:13.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I don't think Bernie's going 01:13.866 --> 01:15.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to shrink in appeal. 01:15.033 --> 01:16.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% He is proven 01:16.600 --> 01:18.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to have a lot of loyalty. 01:18.666 --> 01:20.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So you're looking at Biden and Bernie. 01:20.466 --> 01:21.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And then there's oxygen for 01:21.933 --> 01:23.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% a third major player, 01:23.966 --> 01:25.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% maybe four. 01:25.100 --> 01:26.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Cory Booker still has a chance. 01:26.833 --> 01:29.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I thought Senator Klobuchar, 01:29.433 --> 01:31.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Amy Klobuchar in Minnesota is terrific 01:31.700 --> 01:34.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but her fundraising is anemic. 01:34.233 --> 01:37.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So she would have to find a way to 01:37.033 --> 01:40.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% get a little more zip in her. 01:40.033 --> 01:41.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% But the bottom line is, 01:41.666 --> 01:43.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% as a historian speaking, 01:43.800 --> 01:45.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% 2020 is a hundred years 01:45.833 --> 01:47.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of women getting the right to vote. 01:47.600 --> 01:51.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And the Democratic party cannot have a non-woman, 01:51.166 --> 01:52.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% there has to be a woman 01:52.400 --> 01:53.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% on the ticket. 01:53.366 --> 01:54.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [SMITH] I agree with you. 01:54.600 --> 01:56.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The rocket booster of that last election 01:56.200 --> 01:57.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for the Democrats in which they were, 01:57.666 --> 01:59.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they had pretty good election cycle, 01:59.300 --> 02:00.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% were young people, 02:00.333 --> 02:02.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% women and people of color. 02:02.233 --> 02:04.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% To not acknowledge that in some way 02:04.766 --> 02:07.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is really to snatch potential victory from 02:07.100 --> 02:09.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or defeat rather from the jaws of potential victory. 02:09.733 --> 02:11.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [BRINKLEY] I agree completely, 02:11.100 --> 02:13.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, what I'm suggesting if Bernie or Biden 02:13.933 --> 02:16.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or O'Rourke happen to get 02:16.066 --> 02:18.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the nomination they would have to pick 02:18.300 --> 02:20.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% a person of color or a woman. 02:20.600 --> 02:23.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Kamala Harris would be very good choice at that point. 02:23.566 --> 02:26.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You couldn't do Biden-Klobuchar in my view. 02:26.166 --> 02:30.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Maybe but I think you have to show diversity as a Democrat. 02:30.333 --> 02:31.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] You would agree Doug, also, 02:31.333 --> 02:32.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in view of the resolution 02:32.766 --> 02:35.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of the Mueller investigation 02:35.200 --> 02:38.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the President may very well get re-elected. 02:38.533 --> 02:39.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [BRINKLEY] Yes. 02:39.766 --> 02:40.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] Right? Don't you think you have 02:40.566 --> 02:41.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to go into it assuming. 02:41.500 --> 02:42.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [BRINKLEY] There is no question, 02:42.433 --> 02:43.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Donald Trump is a lot stronger 02:43.933 --> 02:46.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% than the Democratic Party likes to admit. 02:46.933 --> 02:47.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I mean if we, 02:47.866 --> 02:48.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% we're divided. 02:48.700 --> 02:50.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% People watch Fox News, 02:50.166 --> 02:52.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% people watch CNN, MSNBC. 02:52.466 --> 02:55.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know, people pull off in different areas. 02:55.766 --> 02:57.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But Donald Trump now has some, 02:57.900 --> 02:59.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% has some wind in his sail even with 02:59.800 --> 03:01.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% all the scandals and it's 03:01.100 --> 03:03.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the most scandal plagued president. 03:03.500 --> 03:08.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% There are more ugly scandals surrounding him 03:08.466 --> 03:11.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% than Warren Harding in the Teapot Dome era. 03:11.000 --> 03:13.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, this is a scandal plagued president 03:13.833 --> 03:17.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but nevertheless when you don't see Republicans breaking 03:17.100 --> 03:17.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% from him. 03:17.933 --> 03:19.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I mean, when Nixon 03:19.466 --> 03:22.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% went down it's when Barry Goldwater and Howard Baker 03:22.133 --> 03:24.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and leading lights said you lied, 03:24.466 --> 03:25.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% you're toast. 03:25.666 --> 03:27.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You don't see Lindsey Graham doing that. 03:27.533 --> 03:30.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, we're not seeing the Republicans showing that 03:30.766 --> 03:33.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% 'cause they're very afraid to be nuked 03:33.200 --> 03:34.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% by the Trump machine. 03:34.700 --> 03:38.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% To be ridiculed on Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. 03:38.033 --> 03:40.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% To be, you know, 03:40.000 --> 03:44.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% people were primaried from the right 03:44.866 --> 03:48.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and so they're being very mute. 03:48.400 --> 03:49.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [SMITH] Ma'am? 03:50.500 --> 03:52.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Thank you for being here. 03:52.133 --> 03:54.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Well, with Trump, 03:54.333 --> 03:55.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% he doesn't read, 03:55.966 --> 03:57.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he doesn't read any of the reports 03:57.533 --> 03:58.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that are given to him 03:58.533 --> 04:00.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and he just tweets. 04:00.200 --> 04:03.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I got to recently at South By they had, 04:03.400 --> 04:04.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% they had a fake, 04:04.666 --> 04:07.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% faux presidential library of tweets 04:07.833 --> 04:11.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of his and to go back and read 04:11.033 --> 04:13.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% what these real things are, 04:13.033 --> 04:15.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I was wondering how do things really work 04:15.033 --> 04:17.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in the White House so quickly 04:17.300 --> 04:19.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and all the things that he's changed and he's packed 04:19.866 --> 04:21.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% the court system. 04:21.066 --> 04:22.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Who is the, 04:22.533 --> 04:25.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% does he have a Carl Rove type person behind him doing 04:25.333 --> 04:27.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% these things and making it all happen 04:27.433 --> 04:30.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because he just doesn't seem capable of it. 04:30.533 --> 04:33.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I remember what about a year and a half ago 04:33.533 --> 04:35.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% something came out in the New York Times 04:35.700 --> 04:37.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and it was this group of people that kept, 04:37.966 --> 04:39.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they said we're here in the White House 04:39.833 --> 04:42.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and we're really saving the America, 04:42.400 --> 04:44.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we're keeping his finger off the button. 04:44.433 --> 04:46.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] That was the opinion piece, right? 04:46.066 --> 04:47.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [BRINKLEY] Right. 04:47.333 --> 04:48.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] There was the opinion piece 04:48.266 --> 04:49.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that was signed anonymous. 04:49.200 --> 04:50.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So what about that? How do you-- 04:50.466 --> 04:51.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] How is it working? 04:51.900 --> 04:52.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [BRINKLEY] Well, I think different presidents use media 04:52.900 --> 04:53.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in different ways. 04:53.833 --> 04:55.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% FDR with radio, John F. Kennedy, 04:55.866 --> 04:57.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% the press conference. 04:57.466 --> 05:00.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, Obama was like the first Blackberry president. 05:00.300 --> 05:02.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Twitter and Donald Trump, 05:02.000 --> 05:03.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the marriage of them has been, 05:03.433 --> 05:07.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is grotesque in my mind, quite disastrous. 05:07.733 --> 05:09.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Instead of having thoughtful policy, 05:09.900 --> 05:12.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the president jumps over everybody 05:12.000 --> 05:13.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and puts out inflammatory things 05:13.900 --> 05:15.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to be talked about. 05:15.866 --> 05:18.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% He is of the school that it's better to be talked about 05:18.933 --> 05:20.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% than not and be in the front and center 05:20.766 --> 05:23.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of every news cycle no matter what it is. 05:23.533 --> 05:26.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I thought the recklessness of his Twitter, 05:26.433 --> 05:29.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I knew it was great for the campaign, 05:29.266 --> 05:31.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it didn't surprise me that that would track 05:31.433 --> 05:33.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I thought that as president you would have 05:33.033 --> 05:35.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to tone it down and he hasn't. 05:35.300 --> 05:38.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I still think if he's ever indicted 05:38.400 --> 05:41.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for something there may be a Twitter that's going to get him 05:41.133 --> 05:44.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% into trouble but alas people now find it just 05:44.733 --> 05:46.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% part of the new normal. 05:46.400 --> 05:49.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Ah, Trump did a crazy Tweet today 05:49.333 --> 05:52.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and he's down some just crazy wacko things 05:52.900 --> 05:55.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and it creates a sense of instability 05:55.233 --> 05:57.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but it makes him talked about. 05:57.433 --> 06:00.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Thank you. 06:01.566 --> 06:03.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [SMITH] Miss Lava. 06:04.366 --> 06:05.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Good afternoon. 06:05.733 --> 06:08.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I'm interested from your point 06:08.666 --> 06:12.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of view as a historian and a writer who looks at history, 06:12.933 --> 06:16.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% how future historians are going 06:16.700 --> 06:20.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to deal with technology 06:20.033 --> 06:24.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and deal with people erasing things. 06:24.200 --> 06:28.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And just having the record that you rely on 06:28.200 --> 06:31.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% these last decades and centuries. 06:31.433 --> 06:34.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% How are people in the future going 06:34.000 --> 06:37.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to keep an accurate or try to keep an accurate 06:37.666 --> 06:40.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% evaluation of what's going on? 06:40.000 --> 06:41.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [SMITH] Do you have confidence 06:41.866 --> 06:43.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in the archiving of electronic documents 06:43.900 --> 06:44.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and communications? 06:44.833 --> 06:45.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [BRINKLEY] Excellent question. 06:45.766 --> 06:47.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I think about it a lot. 06:47.366 --> 06:49.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm afraid it's not gonna be very satisfactory 06:49.366 --> 06:50.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I do think there are gonna be 06:50.700 --> 06:51.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% a lot of deletes. 06:51.966 --> 06:54.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Everything's gonna be digitalization. 06:54.200 --> 06:55.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% There are, 06:55.033 --> 06:56.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% we're not, 06:56.900 --> 06:59.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what historians traditionally do is read 06:59.266 --> 07:02.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% other people's mail for a living. 07:02.066 --> 07:03.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% The leavings of the past 07:03.833 --> 07:07.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but now the deletions are going to be just gigantic. 07:07.700 --> 07:11.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Where we pick up some capitol is in the visual world. 07:11.466 --> 07:13.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% You know how many speeches, 07:13.066 --> 07:15.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you know we don't have taped speeches of Abraham Lincoln, 07:15.866 --> 07:17.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but anybody who's not just president, 07:17.766 --> 07:19.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but senators being on C-SPAN. 07:19.733 --> 07:22.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Or they're people taping every campaign stop. 07:22.233 --> 07:24.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% There's film footage of everywhere, 07:24.200 --> 07:25.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% all the Democrats running, 07:25.800 --> 07:28.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% every day every speech is being filmed. 07:28.733 --> 07:31.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So in some ways the visual components 07:31.533 --> 07:33.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and the transcripts that are emanated 07:33.533 --> 07:35.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% from those are gonna go up. 07:35.300 --> 07:38.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But the real inside baseball kind 07:38.600 --> 07:42.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of personal and professional documentation I think 07:42.233 --> 07:44.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is going to get sanitized 07:44.000 --> 07:45.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or deleted or hidden. 07:45.766 --> 07:47.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] Don't you think also the campaigns 07:47.933 --> 07:50.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and candidates and people in public life, 07:50.066 --> 07:51.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% are on to all of us now? 07:51.633 --> 07:52.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [BRINKLEY] Yes. 07:52.866 --> 07:54.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] In a way that they weren't before 07:54.166 --> 07:55.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so they're much more conscious of the fact 07:55.966 --> 07:57.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that anything that they say-- 07:57.733 --> 07:58.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [BRINKLEY] Yes. 07:58.933 --> 08:00.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] --may be saved for posterity. 08:00.233 --> 08:02.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That the E in email stands for everybody. 08:02.266 --> 08:03.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [BRINKLEY] Exactly. [SMITH] Right, and so they 08:03.966 --> 08:06.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% no longer will say things that may have value 08:06.600 --> 08:09.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to future historians for fear that what will happen 08:09.266 --> 08:12.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to them is what happened to people previously. 08:12.333 --> 08:14.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [BRINKLEY] Completely. That's exactly what it is. 08:14.400 --> 08:16.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And yeah, I tell my students 08:16.533 --> 08:18.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% at Rice University where I teach 08:18.533 --> 08:20.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you know email is permanent. 08:20.533 --> 08:22.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% This idea, yes it's a good idea 08:22.966 --> 08:25.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to delete it if you put something 08:25.233 --> 08:27.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that you don't like so you don't have to remind yourself 08:27.466 --> 08:28.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that you wrote it. 08:28.400 --> 08:30.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But try not to be reckless 08:30.233 --> 08:31.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on using something like email. 08:31.966 --> 08:33.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But here we have the president 08:33.400 --> 08:36.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the United States recklessly using Twitter. 08:36.000 --> 08:37.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% If Donald Trump had been an emailer 08:37.933 --> 08:40.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I think he'd be in deep, 08:40.666 --> 08:42.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% criminal problems for the way 08:42.566 --> 08:44.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that he's dealt with monies. 08:44.033 --> 08:47.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But he's never done an email in his entire life. 08:47.000 --> 08:48.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And that's one of the problems, 08:48.566 --> 08:49.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Mueller doesn't have an email record of him. 08:49.966 --> 08:51.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [SMITH] Right. 08:51.500 --> 08:53.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [BRINKLEY] And he's learned to be as well he's reckless 08:53.233 --> 08:56.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of being a fake person representing himself 08:56.100 --> 08:57.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% on a phone call, 08:57.600 --> 09:00.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% he's careful on his business transactions not to put it 09:00.900 --> 09:05.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in writing and to be dodgy about it. 09:05.866 --> 09:08.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So it's hard to get that they-- 09:08.233 --> 09:09.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Everybody says how can he be president with 09:09.933 --> 09:11.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% all the things he did? 09:11.200 --> 09:12.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But nobody's been able to bust him, 09:12.366 --> 09:14.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% a whole career of this. 09:14.033 --> 09:15.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Building buildings that he didn't build 09:15.866 --> 09:17.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and putting his name on 'em 09:17.133 --> 09:19.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and he's not done jail time. 09:19.766 --> 09:22.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Jared Kushner is the maestro 09:22.300 --> 09:24.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% of the internet. 09:24.133 --> 09:28.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He is deeply facile at bank wires and monies. 09:28.833 --> 09:32.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [SMITH] Secure apps. [BRINKLEY] Secure apps and all of that. 09:32.233 --> 09:33.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% And I think 09:33.166 --> 09:34.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to answer an earlier question, 09:34.400 --> 09:36.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% he's probably will be, 09:36.433 --> 09:39.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% end up to have been more seminal keeping an eye 09:39.533 --> 09:41.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% on President Trump than we think. 09:41.866 --> 09:43.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [SMITH] How's our time? 09:43.066 --> 09:44.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Take these last two? Very good. Sir. 09:44.266 --> 09:45.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We'll do these quickly. Yes, sir. 09:45.700 --> 09:46.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] I've never read any of your books 09:46.733 --> 09:48.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but now I'm a fan of yours. 09:48.866 --> 09:50.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I'm a big space junkie, 09:50.933 --> 09:53.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and also Hunter S. Thompson fellow alumnae 09:53.633 --> 09:56.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the Air Force public affairs field. 09:56.033 --> 09:57.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [BRINKLEY] Oh my goodness! 09:57.533 --> 09:58.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Yeah, you ever read his articles 09:58.500 --> 09:59.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% when he was-- 09:59.700 --> 10:01.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [BRINKLEY] Oh, I've read everything Hunter, 10:01.100 --> 10:03.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, I became quite friends with him 10:03.166 --> 10:04.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and that's why I'm Literary Executor 10:04.933 --> 10:06.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but he was in the Air Force 10:06.633 --> 10:08.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for a while and would write incredible articles, 10:08.533 --> 10:10.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the Bart Star ones and all. It's amazing stuff. 10:10.900 --> 10:12.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [SMITH] Question? 10:12.166 --> 10:13.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] My question, I'm sorry, 10:13.100 --> 10:13.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it's gonna be about space. 10:13.900 --> 10:15.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [SMITH] Sure, of course. 10:15.166 --> 10:15.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Is that all right? 10:15.966 --> 10:17.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It's a little off topic. 10:17.100 --> 10:18.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [SMITH] Please, please. 10:18.433 --> 10:19.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It's on topic. [AUDIENCE MEMBER] But um, 10:19.633 --> 10:21.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% about 2009 we sort of, 10:21.866 --> 10:23.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% NASA had to come away from 10:23.833 --> 10:26.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the whole space exploration program, sort of. 10:26.800 --> 10:29.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know the budget was cut drastically. 10:29.233 --> 10:32.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm just wondering how you feel where we'd be right now 10:32.033 --> 10:34.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if we didn't lose all that time you know 10:34.366 --> 10:37.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% almost 10 years now plus we lost time 10:37.133 --> 10:38.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% with disasters. 10:38.433 --> 10:40.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Do you think we'd be further along? 10:40.700 --> 10:44.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Do you also believe we'd be allowing civilians 10:44.566 --> 10:47.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to go ahead and start working out on the moon. 10:47.666 --> 10:49.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Or even on the asteroid, 10:49.900 --> 10:51.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% yeah asteroids. [SMITH] Where would we be 10:51.800 --> 10:53.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% if we hadn't lost that time? 10:53.100 --> 10:54.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [BRINKLEY] We would have been to Mars. 10:54.800 --> 10:56.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We would have been aiming to go to Mars, 10:56.800 --> 10:58.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we would have been back to the moon 10:58.066 --> 11:01.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and perhaps built some sort of facility there. 11:01.166 --> 11:02.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] A gateway project. 11:02.100 --> 11:03.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [BRINKLEY] A gateway project. 11:03.233 --> 11:04.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% And, you know, 11:04.200 --> 11:06.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% NASA still has a relevance 11:06.000 --> 11:08.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with meteorological forecasting when you deal 11:08.800 --> 11:09.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% with climate change, 11:09.833 --> 11:11.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% it's a lot of, 11:11.033 --> 11:14.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the GPS of today grew a lot out of NASA 11:14.300 --> 11:16.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% anti-icing devices, 11:16.300 --> 11:18.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you know, the satellites we put up 11:18.733 --> 11:20.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to look at planet earth 11:20.066 --> 11:22.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and all of that have been incredibly useful 11:22.633 --> 11:23.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for the modern world 11:23.833 --> 11:26.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but you can't just keep defunding 11:26.433 --> 11:30.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% something like NASA and expect the results. 11:30.533 --> 11:31.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% And we just are, 11:31.866 --> 11:33.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it's become an easy slash item 11:33.800 --> 11:36.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for people looking to do cuts 11:36.500 --> 11:37.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in government expenditure. 11:37.633 --> 11:39.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Which is ironic because it's one 11:39.233 --> 11:42.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the government agencies most Americans adore. 11:42.066 --> 11:43.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [SMITH] Love it, 11:43.333 --> 11:44.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% right that's exactly right, good question. 11:44.033 --> 11:45.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Thank you. 11:45.000 --> 11:46.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Last question here. Ma'am. Hi. 11:46.933 --> 11:49.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Hello. In your career of research 11:49.533 --> 11:51.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and writing books have you noticed your mode 11:51.866 --> 11:54.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of research change as technology changed? 11:54.766 --> 11:56.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And then if you could speak on, 11:56.733 --> 11:59.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what is your favorite part of what you do? 11:59.100 --> 12:01.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [BRINKLEY] My favorite part on the first part 12:01.833 --> 12:03.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% is I love traveling 12:03.066 --> 12:04.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to places in the United States. 12:04.933 --> 12:07.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I actually love going to unusual places 12:07.666 --> 12:09.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% to do research, 12:09.033 --> 12:10.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to going to Huntsville, Alabama 12:10.566 --> 12:12.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to research NASA. To go 12:12.700 --> 12:16.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to the jet propulsion laboratory in Pasadena. 12:16.033 --> 12:18.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know, these kind of trips to me 12:18.633 --> 12:19.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% are really fun. 12:19.933 --> 12:22.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The research part I love the most. 12:22.000 --> 12:24.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The part I don't like is having 12:25.800 --> 12:27.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to whittle down all your research into something 12:27.366 --> 12:28.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that's not too fat. 12:28.633 --> 12:29.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Contrary-- 12:29.900 --> 12:30.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] So this is the whittled down version? 12:30.866 --> 12:32.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [BRINKLEY] That is whittled. 12:32.033 --> 12:34.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That's as whittled down as I can do, guys, 12:34.133 --> 12:37.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% without because there's such large topics. 12:37.366 --> 12:38.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And that's why Robert Caro 12:38.866 --> 12:41.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of Lyndon Johnson has it right 12:41.233 --> 12:43.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% doing LBJ in a lot of volumes. 12:43.033 --> 12:43.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You can really do it, 12:43.833 --> 12:45.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% but it's hard to do FDR 12:45.633 --> 12:47.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in 300 pages. [SMITH] Yeah, right. 12:47.600 --> 12:50.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [BRINKLEY] And so lately I've been trying to do aspects, 12:50.466 --> 12:51.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Kennedy and the moon, 12:51.700 --> 12:55.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or Theodore Roosevelt and conservation. 12:55.466 --> 12:56.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Because then you can do a part 12:56.933 --> 12:58.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of their legacy but doing it all 12:58.933 --> 13:02.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in one volume is a little bit tricky. 13:02.866 --> 13:04.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% But I'm old fashioned. 13:04.233 --> 13:07.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Well, let me just say it's I came out 13:07.500 --> 13:08.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of the book culture. 13:08.733 --> 13:10.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I still read my books in this form. 13:10.866 --> 13:12.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I don't read Kindle. 13:12.300 --> 13:15.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Nothing against Kindle. Please use Kindle for my book. 13:15.766 --> 13:19.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But I went to graduate school 13:19.366 --> 13:21.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and worked my way through working 13:21.366 --> 13:24.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the used book business, antiquarian books. 13:24.166 --> 13:26.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I was the night manager in Washington, D.C. 13:26.533 --> 13:28.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% at Second Story Books, 13:28.533 --> 13:29.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% at Dupont Circle. 13:29.800 --> 13:31.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And then I managed Idle Times 13:31.700 --> 13:33.066 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% in Adams Morgan. 13:33.066 --> 13:36.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I then got sent buying rare antiquarian books. 13:36.733 --> 13:38.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I used to see Larry McMurtry 13:38.633 --> 13:42.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% all the time up in DC constantly 13:42.066 --> 13:44.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because he was in the same book world up there-- 13:44.333 --> 13:45.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [SMITH] Yep. [BRINKLEY] --when I was young. 13:45.633 --> 13:47.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And so I'm a book collector, 13:47.166 --> 13:48.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I like signed books. 13:48.466 --> 13:50.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I liked first editions, 13:50.133 --> 13:51.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I like the dust jackets, 13:51.566 --> 13:54.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I'm a book person. 13:54.333 --> 13:55.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [SMITH] It's not gonna change. 13:55.266 --> 13:56.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [BRINKLEY] And that's, 13:56.766 --> 13:59.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I will continue to like books more than anything online. 13:59.733 --> 14:02.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] Good. Give Doug Brinkley a big hand. 14:02.266 --> 14:04.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you so much for being with us. 14:04.366 --> 14:05.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [BRINKLEY] Thank you. 14:05.600 --> 14:06.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] Thank you all. We'll see you again. 14:06.566 --> 14:10.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience applauding)