WEBVTT 00:00.633 --> 00:02.300 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Okay, sir. 00:02.300 --> 00:03.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Thanks so much for being here. 00:03.766 --> 00:06.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I've been wanting to ask this question for a long time, 00:06.100 --> 00:07.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I think you're the person to answer it. 00:07.600 --> 00:09.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Alright. 00:09.100 --> 00:12.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So as reported by The Hill, Wall Street Journal, 00:12.800 --> 00:16.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Bill Clinton has sent two emails in his whole life. 00:16.033 --> 00:19.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Hillary Clinton quote does not know how to use a computer 00:19.866 --> 00:21.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to do email, unquote. 00:21.633 --> 00:24.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Lindsey Graham has bragged that he has 00:24.666 --> 00:27.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% never sent an email in his life. 00:27.466 --> 00:30.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% This is very unnerving to me. 00:30.066 --> 00:31.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Cara] It should be. 00:31.500 --> 00:34.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Especially, a lot of people describe the legislation 00:34.366 --> 00:37.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% around tech as sort of in the Wild West era. 00:37.533 --> 00:39.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And to me, it sounds like the people that would 00:39.033 --> 00:42.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% be regulating it are regulating cars 00:42.766 --> 00:45.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and they still use a horse and buggy. 00:45.066 --> 00:46.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Man at Table] Okay. 00:46.566 --> 00:49.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So you see real consequences, like you touched on earlier, 00:49.133 --> 00:51.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% like the FBI-Apple debate, where a lot of these guys 00:51.266 --> 00:53.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% were so out of their depth. 00:53.900 --> 00:56.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think Lindsey Graham actually came out about a month 00:56.466 --> 00:57.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and said, "I was wrong." - [Woman] Yes, let me answer. 00:57.933 --> 00:59.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I think I know your question. 00:59.200 --> 01:00.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So you want to get to the bottom of this. 01:00.766 --> 01:03.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So my question would be, am I being way too cynical? 01:03.066 --> 01:04.500 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - [Woman] No. 01:04.500 --> 01:05.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And is the only way to change it running for office, 01:05.966 --> 01:07.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% like you're doing? 01:07.466 --> 01:09.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yes, I urge you to run for your Austin city council, 01:09.533 --> 01:10.700 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% or whatever. 01:10.700 --> 01:12.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So here's the problem. 01:12.166 --> 01:13.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Lindsey Graham did say that, and actually I said 01:13.400 --> 01:15.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% something on CNBC about it, like, 01:15.500 --> 01:16.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% "Let's not get invites from someone 01:16.733 --> 01:18.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% "who doesn't know how to turn on a computer." 01:18.266 --> 01:20.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He was pontificating on the FBI issue. 01:20.866 --> 01:22.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Man at Table] Right. 01:22.133 --> 01:23.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And emotionally, it was ridiculous. 01:23.400 --> 01:24.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was like, you are out of your depth, you need, 01:24.633 --> 01:26.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it's a very, my whole issue with it was it 01:26.966 --> 01:28.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% was a complicated issue. 01:28.566 --> 01:30.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And it's very complicated, it's not just 01:30.166 --> 01:32.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a little complicated, it's quantumly done. 01:32.266 --> 01:33.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Let's have smart people from government, 01:33.733 --> 01:36.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and they exist, believe me, in the government space, 01:36.133 --> 01:38.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and smart people from tech get together and discuss. 01:38.066 --> 01:39.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It's the same thing. 01:39.333 --> 01:40.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's like, why are they talking past each other 01:40.866 --> 01:43.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in this ridiculous, emotional bull crap, 01:43.333 --> 01:44.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% just essentially? 01:44.633 --> 01:48.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so one of the things I think is important is, 01:48.566 --> 01:50.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there's more and more politicians that do understand 01:50.533 --> 01:52.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% the uses of technology. 01:52.000 --> 01:53.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Name one, give us a person who we could look to-- 01:53.066 --> 01:54.533 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Jared Polis. 01:54.533 --> 01:55.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Man at Table] Jared Polis, - [Cara] from Colorado. 01:55.733 --> 01:57.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man] Colorado. - [Cara] There's a lot. 01:57.600 --> 01:59.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There's not, it's not few, but there's few. 01:59.600 --> 02:01.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Darrell Issa from California thinks he knows 02:01.233 --> 02:02.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% everything about technology. 02:02.500 --> 02:03.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - He does think he knows everything. 02:03.433 --> 02:04.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I think most of them don't. 02:04.233 --> 02:05.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Most of them don't. 02:05.166 --> 02:06.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - You're skeptical of that? 02:06.100 --> 02:07.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - I'm skeptical of all of them, 02:07.333 --> 02:08.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because I think the way they talk about it 02:08.133 --> 02:10.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% is kind of ridiculous. 02:10.333 --> 02:11.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I do think the Obama administration 02:11.566 --> 02:13.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% certainly had, is much more of a tech President 02:13.733 --> 02:14.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% than any other administration. 02:14.900 --> 02:16.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Is this not, though, to the question, 02:16.100 --> 02:17.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and thank you for your question, 02:17.266 --> 02:19.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is this not a generational affix? 02:19.600 --> 02:21.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That is to say, when the mulch is overturned, 02:21.833 --> 02:24.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when the people who are in public office now 02:24.066 --> 02:25.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% move on and we have younger people 02:25.900 --> 02:28.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% come up, automatically they'll be more tech-savvy, 02:28.033 --> 02:29.266 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% right? 02:29.266 --> 02:30.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - No, I'm 412 years old and I'm very good 02:30.433 --> 02:31.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at technology, thank you very much. 02:31.133 --> 02:31.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's ridiculous. 02:31.933 --> 02:33.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It's not an age thing, 02:33.100 --> 02:34.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it's a question of interest in the future, 02:34.233 --> 02:35.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% you know what I mean? 02:35.166 --> 02:36.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Anyone of any age could-- 02:36.566 --> 02:37.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - You don't think Lindsey Graham's successor 02:37.833 --> 02:39.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% will be definition be better able to 02:39.300 --> 02:40.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% answer his question? 02:40.233 --> 02:41.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - No, because, you know what? 02:41.466 --> 02:42.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was just in D.C. and they were at a party 02:42.966 --> 02:44.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and they think Blackberry is the hottest company. 02:44.466 --> 02:46.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% If you go by Washington D.C, Blackberry should be 02:46.133 --> 02:48.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the biggest company on the planet, all right? 02:48.100 --> 02:49.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They all sit there and I'm like, what? 02:49.400 --> 02:50.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] What are you talking about? 02:50.300 --> 02:51.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - What are you doing? 02:51.800 --> 02:53.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And so there's reasons they're using Blackberry, 02:53.900 --> 02:55.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but none of them are good, really. 02:55.433 --> 02:56.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I mean some of them are, 02:56.733 --> 02:58.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the security is their big issue, 02:58.033 --> 02:59.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but still, they love their Blackberries. 02:59.533 --> 03:00.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So I think one of the issues is, 03:00.966 --> 03:02.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Hillary Clinton seems to know how to use emails, 03:02.666 --> 03:06.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% obviously, but I agree, there's something gone wrong there 03:06.200 --> 03:07.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the way the government is set up to deal with 03:07.700 --> 03:09.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that kind of thing. 03:09.666 --> 03:10.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And so, you're right. 03:10.933 --> 03:12.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They don't know how to send emails, 03:12.166 --> 03:14.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% some of them know how to use Twitter, 03:14.700 --> 03:16.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% some of them know how to use Facebook 03:16.100 --> 03:17.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and things like that, 03:17.300 --> 03:18.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and they understand the importance. 03:18.833 --> 03:20.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% They're like, let's get a young person to help them. 03:20.266 --> 03:21.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But if you're a politician in this day and age 03:21.600 --> 03:23.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and you do not understand digital media, 03:23.166 --> 03:26.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you really, you should not be making 03:26.400 --> 03:27.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% legislation about it. 03:27.666 --> 03:29.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well, especially as it extends to the internet 03:29.566 --> 03:31.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of things, like you said. 03:31.200 --> 03:32.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well that's what's more important. 03:32.400 --> 03:34.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Let me just make that one single point. 03:34.100 --> 03:36.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Before it's photo apps, it's social network, 03:36.000 --> 03:37.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% it's stuff like that, 03:37.466 --> 03:39.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the stuff coming down the pike is about food technology, 03:39.800 --> 03:42.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it's about transportation technology, 03:42.200 --> 03:46.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it's about finance technology, healthcare technology, 03:46.300 --> 03:48.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the government really, you know. 03:48.533 --> 03:50.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I got in trouble because I said, I think it was 03:50.466 --> 03:52.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on Meet the Press, they were talking about 03:52.766 --> 03:54.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% the Obama website. 03:54.966 --> 03:56.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I said, here's the problem trying to attract 03:56.466 --> 04:00.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% people to Obama care is kids, everyday, use the internet 04:00.266 --> 04:01.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and it works perfectly. 04:01.466 --> 04:02.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It never doesn't work. 04:02.800 --> 04:03.466 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Think about it. 04:03.466 --> 04:04.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Not very often. 04:04.966 --> 04:06.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I said, if Tinder can make a million matches a day, 04:06.900 --> 04:08.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% they can get a website going for insurance, 04:08.933 --> 04:10.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% you know what I mean? 04:10.066 --> 04:11.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And one of these Washington pontificators 04:11.500 --> 04:15.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% was like, are you comparing the Obama website 04:15.866 --> 04:16.800 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% to Tinder? 04:16.800 --> 04:17.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And I said, no, Tinder works. 04:17.966 --> 04:19.400 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Exactly. 04:19.400 --> 04:20.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Seriously. 04:20.933 --> 04:21.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Man at table] It's not a very flattering comparison, 04:21.466 --> 04:22.733 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% right? 04:22.733 --> 04:24.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But you know, I was making a bigger point 04:24.200 --> 04:25.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and they just, they really, the more important thing 04:25.433 --> 04:29.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is the government has to be smart about using 04:29.666 --> 04:31.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% digital technology to help its citizens. 04:31.666 --> 04:34.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We should be able to vote online, really. 04:34.400 --> 04:35.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - So let's stay with that. 04:35.500 --> 04:36.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Let's stay with that. 04:36.933 --> 04:38.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So the President was in Austin for South by Southwest 04:38.766 --> 04:41.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and one of the things he said was-- 04:41.366 --> 04:42.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Mistakes were made. 04:42.633 --> 04:45.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well that we need tech entrepreneurs 04:45.566 --> 04:47.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to work with government. 04:47.200 --> 04:49.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But the cultures of those two entities-- 04:49.466 --> 04:50.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - They do, they fight all the time. 04:50.900 --> 04:52.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You know, government is slow and bloated 04:52.700 --> 04:53.900 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% and risk averse. 04:53.900 --> 04:55.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Well, that's a plus. 04:55.400 --> 04:58.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And tech is fail fast and sleek and streamlined. 04:58.066 --> 04:59.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% How to you bring tech and government together 04:59.733 --> 05:01.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and not have a big bump? 05:01.333 --> 05:05.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - What is nonsensible about the fact if you are someone, 05:05.266 --> 05:07.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% if you're a single mother who needs to get assistance, 05:07.833 --> 05:09.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% do you actually need to go down to an office, 05:09.866 --> 05:11.100 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% waste-- 05:11.100 --> 05:12.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] No, I'm with you. 05:12.333 --> 05:13.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Why isn't there an app for that? 05:13.600 --> 05:15.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Is government situated to be more tech forward? 05:15.833 --> 05:16.366 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Why not? 05:16.366 --> 05:17.166 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Why? 05:17.166 --> 05:18.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That's ridiculous. 05:18.100 --> 05:19.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They can use a telephone. 05:19.533 --> 05:20.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - The culture of government, for years and years-- 05:20.066 --> 05:20.733 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Why? 05:20.733 --> 05:21.266 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% They're stupid? 05:21.266 --> 05:21.800 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yes. 05:21.800 --> 05:22.466 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Why? 05:22.466 --> 05:23.133 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% No they're not. 05:23.133 --> 05:24.633 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% They're not. 05:24.633 --> 05:25.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% We abrogate as citizens, if we're allowed to say that. 05:25.566 --> 05:26.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Like, okay, you can be stupid. 05:26.866 --> 05:28.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well, I don't think we should let them, 05:28.133 --> 05:29.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but I think it's a hard fit together. 05:29.833 --> 05:30.833 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Why? 05:30.833 --> 05:31.500 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Why can't, 05:31.500 --> 05:34.133 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% we accept that. 05:34.133 --> 05:35.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's not true. 05:35.600 --> 05:36.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Man at table] You think I'm letting them off the hook? 05:36.833 --> 05:37.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You're letting them off the hook. 05:37.766 --> 05:39.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They have done better with DMV. 05:39.166 --> 05:40.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Now you can make an appointment online. 05:40.666 --> 05:41.866 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Crazy. 05:41.866 --> 05:42.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well, the fact that here in Austin 05:42.800 --> 05:43.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% we pay taxes online, right? 05:43.666 --> 05:44.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - You pay taxes on this. 05:44.900 --> 05:46.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% All the wasted energy that we put into stuff, 05:46.166 --> 05:48.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we have to demand it of our government to have, 05:48.066 --> 05:50.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know, Bloomberg administration did a lot. 05:50.300 --> 05:52.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% A lot of stuff online, a lot of information online. 05:52.400 --> 05:53.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% a lot of information online. 05:53.566 --> 05:55.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So you think if we're not voting online 05:55.033 --> 05:56.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or registering to vote online, it's not because we can't. 05:56.533 --> 05:57.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's because the people in charge don't want us to. 05:57.733 --> 05:58.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% This is the President's point. 05:58.966 --> 06:00.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think they're not thinking of it. 06:00.466 --> 06:01.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think they're not thinking of it strongly enough. 06:01.700 --> 06:02.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And it doesn't , it's like when we talk about 06:02.900 --> 06:05.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when media companies had a separate, 06:05.833 --> 06:07.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was talking about it with someone else, 06:07.033 --> 06:08.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% had a separate Chief Digital Officer? 06:08.200 --> 06:09.400 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Do you remember? 06:09.400 --> 06:10.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Whenever they have that, I'm always worried. 06:10.933 --> 06:13.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I'm like, digital is important to every aspect of any media. 06:13.733 --> 06:14.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] It's not a modifier. 06:14.900 --> 06:15.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So there shouldn't be a separate 06:15.833 --> 06:16.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% digital chief of anything. 06:16.933 --> 06:18.166 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Sir? 06:18.166 --> 06:21.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Uh, thank you for your time, Cara. 06:21.366 --> 06:26.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was really pleased to hear you state that 06:26.300 --> 06:29.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the FBI and the government in general 06:29.700 --> 06:32.200 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% do probably have the ability to-- 06:32.200 --> 06:33.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Cara] Oh, they do, 100%. 06:33.500 --> 06:36.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - To decrypt these phones. 06:36.000 --> 06:41.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And it seemed very clear to me that the real issue is 06:42.133 --> 06:43.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% not can they get access to this phone 06:43.866 --> 06:48.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but how inexpensive that access is. 06:48.200 --> 06:53.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And personally I feel very concerned if that access 06:53.800 --> 06:55.800 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% is inexpensive. 06:55.800 --> 06:57.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] So the question is? 06:57.300 --> 07:01.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And so my question is, is that really the issue? 07:05.000 --> 07:10.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That this boundary can really be expressed 07:11.166 --> 07:14.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in terms of cost and that we want it to be 07:14.100 --> 07:17.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% relatively expensive for the government to get access 07:17.400 --> 07:19.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to this information so that-- 07:19.233 --> 07:20.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I don't know if expense is the issue. 07:20.566 --> 07:23.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% This goes back to our very beginnings. 07:23.033 --> 07:24.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's what kind of access do we want the government 07:24.900 --> 07:27.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to have to our private information 07:27.000 --> 07:28.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and how should they get it 07:28.166 --> 07:29.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and how should they go through it. 07:29.400 --> 07:31.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We don't live in a fascist environment. 07:31.333 --> 07:32.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We live in a democracy, allegedly, 07:32.800 --> 07:36.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and so, therefore, they have to use legal means 07:36.000 --> 07:37.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and proper means to get to it. 07:37.866 --> 07:39.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And it's too bad, 'cause that's they way we're doing it here 07:39.866 --> 07:41.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and that's why our country's been great. 07:41.700 --> 07:44.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so the issue is, you know, listen to me, 07:44.533 --> 07:47.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% this is not an easy business decision for Tim Cook to make. 07:47.333 --> 07:48.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Let's just be clear. 07:48.833 --> 07:51.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It is not helpful for them to not give the government-- 07:51.400 --> 07:52.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Is he losing and business, though, 07:52.600 --> 07:53.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% by standing on principle? 07:53.766 --> 07:55.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You know, he's making a very good point 07:55.233 --> 07:59.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is that there's repercussions beyond this one incursion. 07:59.766 --> 08:00.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right, but couldn't you make the argument 08:00.766 --> 08:02.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that by standing on principle, 08:02.000 --> 08:02.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% more people are going yeah, Apple. 08:02.966 --> 08:04.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Yes, they have. 08:04.466 --> 08:06.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But first the stuff was, the minute we have a terrorism 08:06.200 --> 08:08.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% thing, they scare the shit out of, 08:08.166 --> 08:09.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% they love to scare the shit out of us. 08:09.566 --> 08:14.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And there's dangerous people in this world 08:15.166 --> 08:16.633 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's Trumping. 08:16.633 --> 08:17.866 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's reductive. 08:17.866 --> 08:19.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're immigrants, we need to build a wall 08:19.566 --> 08:22.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for the immigrants to keep America. 08:22.766 --> 08:24.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Nobody wants the complex reason, 08:24.533 --> 08:26.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we invaded Afghanistan, we invaded Iraq, 08:26.600 --> 08:29.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% we did this, we don't have enough good intelligence. 08:29.233 --> 08:30.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's so complicated, the best thing to say 08:30.700 --> 08:33.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is that iPhone is the reason we have Isis. 08:33.800 --> 08:35.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Oh, well then, let's open it. 08:35.533 --> 08:38.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That's their thing. 08:38.233 --> 08:39.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But isn't what the government said, 08:39.500 --> 08:40.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's no way to win an argument on this, 08:40.966 --> 08:42.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and I don't want to wage one, 08:42.200 --> 08:43.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but isn't what the government not said, 08:43.433 --> 08:45.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the reason that we have Isis is the iPhone, 08:45.033 --> 08:47.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but the way for us to get to Isis-- 08:47.133 --> 08:48.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - One of the ways. 08:48.266 --> 08:49.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And maybe to prevent future attacks 08:49.600 --> 08:50.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% is through this iPhone? 08:50.833 --> 08:52.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - One of the ways. 08:52.066 --> 08:53.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But you know, Isis was using text. 08:53.400 --> 08:55.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% They use open things. 08:55.066 --> 08:57.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And by the way, the minute you open this 08:57.800 --> 08:58.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% ten other things pop up. 08:58.966 --> 08:59.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] Well it is definitely 08:59.766 --> 09:00.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% a slippery slope, right? 09:00.766 --> 09:02.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Ten other, but guess what, 09:02.000 --> 09:04.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's gonna be 90 other amorphous things 09:04.400 --> 09:06.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that pop up where information goes, 09:06.400 --> 09:08.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% believe me, they have lots of tools. 09:08.033 --> 09:09.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - As long as I can hack into my daughter's SnapChat 09:09.566 --> 09:10.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% at some point, I'll be fine. 09:10.633 --> 09:12.700 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - No you can't. 09:12.700 --> 09:14.066 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's ephemeral. 09:14.066 --> 09:16.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's an ephemeral messaging system, allegedly. 09:16.633 --> 09:17.166 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% No, it is. 09:17.166 --> 09:18.400 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Sir? 09:18.400 --> 09:19.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Good afternoon. 09:19.633 --> 09:20.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% One of the things we didn't talk about today 09:20.933 --> 09:22.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that I've enjoyed your commentary on 09:22.233 --> 09:24.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is gender disparity in American business. 09:24.800 --> 09:26.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Not enough women in charge in the boards 09:26.200 --> 09:27.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and executive levels. 09:27.433 --> 09:29.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But about two years ago Kevin O'Leary, 09:29.233 --> 09:31.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the guy from Shark Tank, made some great comments, 09:31.466 --> 09:32.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I hope you know the context because you can 09:32.866 --> 09:34.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% probably explain it way better than I could, 09:34.733 --> 09:37.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% made some great comments, but its been two years from that 09:37.200 --> 09:39.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I'm wondering if I just missed something 09:39.333 --> 09:43.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% on the top levels of investors about any progress 09:43.466 --> 09:44.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% about getting more women in charge? 09:44.733 --> 09:45.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, where are we on this issue? 09:45.800 --> 09:46.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Apparently not good. 09:46.666 --> 09:47.900 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - It's worse. 09:47.900 --> 09:49.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% If you notice, a lot of the new tech companies 09:49.833 --> 09:52.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are putting out their gender and race reports, 09:52.600 --> 09:54.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% their diversity reports, essentially. 09:54.833 --> 09:56.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And it's 70% white guys. 09:56.933 --> 09:58.300 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% 70% white guys. 09:58.300 --> 09:59.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Every one of them. 09:59.633 --> 10:00.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] Has it really changed? 10:00.433 --> 10:01.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - It's gotten worse. 10:01.633 --> 10:03.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Actually, there were more graduates of women 10:03.366 --> 10:07.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% at MIT and other organizations 20 years ago. 10:07.500 --> 10:08.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And now there's much fewer. 10:08.600 --> 10:09.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And there's all kinds of issue. 10:09.566 --> 10:10.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Why, why , why has the-- 10:10.800 --> 10:12.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well, it's another complicated issue. 10:12.966 --> 10:16.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The way we teach math, the way we treat women, 10:16.166 --> 10:20.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the way we talk about excellence in math and science 10:20.333 --> 10:23.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and the way we tell girls, there's something that happens 10:23.533 --> 10:24.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% with young girls where they suddenly, 10:24.933 --> 10:27.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% it's not cool to be smart. 10:27.433 --> 10:28.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That's a societal issue. 10:28.733 --> 10:30.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Then there's the way, like Maria Klawe 10:30.566 --> 10:33.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% from Harvey Mudd College, she's really fascinating. 10:33.666 --> 10:35.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% We had her on stage. 10:35.100 --> 10:38.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% They're doing a different kind of education. 10:38.433 --> 10:39.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It's really interesting. 10:39.933 --> 10:41.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There's always one guy, one, it's always a white guy, 10:41.900 --> 10:46.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% one guy, there's always a guy in computer programming 10:48.133 --> 10:49.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that messes it up for everyone else, 10:49.100 --> 10:50.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% who's so arrogant and insulting 10:50.066 --> 10:51.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that nobody wants to be in it. 10:51.533 --> 10:53.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So instead of just trying to solve the system, 10:53.766 --> 10:54.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% she's focused on that guy. 10:54.866 --> 10:56.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Like why are you doing this? 10:56.466 --> 10:57.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Let's change your attitude. 10:57.833 --> 10:59.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Everyone's gotta be part of it. 10:59.166 --> 11:00.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It can't just be a woman thing 11:00.300 --> 11:01.233 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% or a man thing. 11:01.233 --> 11:02.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It's gotta be a both thing. 11:02.466 --> 11:03.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - By the way, the media business is no better 11:03.700 --> 11:04.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% than the tech business as this goes, right? 11:04.666 --> 11:05.466 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - No. 11:05.466 --> 11:06.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Well, a little better. 11:06.700 --> 11:07.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well, you look at the big newspapers 11:07.900 --> 11:08.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% around this country, and how many newspapers 11:08.833 --> 11:10.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% can you name run by women? 11:10.000 --> 11:10.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - A lot of women have lost their jobs. 11:10.800 --> 11:11.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Well, there were. 11:11.466 --> 11:12.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% There were. 11:12.966 --> 11:13.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - You know, here in Texas we have Austin and Houston, 11:13.900 --> 11:16.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% both run by women editors. 11:16.166 --> 11:17.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - It changes, yeah. 11:17.400 --> 11:18.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But I look around at the New York Times, 11:18.833 --> 11:20.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, LA Times, 11:20.066 --> 11:22.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Chicago Tribune, this is my point. 11:22.533 --> 11:24.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean, my question is why are we, 11:24.300 --> 11:25.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% we're no better-- 11:25.533 --> 11:26.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It doesn't mean we can't criticize-- 11:26.933 --> 11:27.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Man at table] No, we shouldn't criticize them, right. 11:27.866 --> 11:29.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - I mean, here's why. 11:29.133 --> 11:30.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Because tech is supposed to be our most tolerant 11:30.433 --> 11:32.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and innovative and interesting group 11:32.800 --> 11:33.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% in this country. 11:33.966 --> 11:35.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And it is a very tolerant environment, 11:35.733 --> 11:38.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and they still don't, it still doesn't happen. 11:38.000 --> 11:39.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And one of the things they tend to do, 11:39.500 --> 11:41.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and I hate, I know there's scientific evidence of this 11:41.933 --> 11:43.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I get the point for the science part, 11:43.866 --> 11:45.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% but unconscious bias. 11:45.466 --> 11:48.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% That's the word they use that gets themselves off the hook. 11:48.133 --> 11:49.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Oh, I didn't know that there were 10 white guys 11:49.833 --> 11:51.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% on this board. 11:51.100 --> 11:52.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% What, you didn't pick your head up 11:52.400 --> 11:53.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and look and notice all the white guys? 11:53.900 --> 11:55.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Do you think Marissa Mayer has been treated fairly 11:55.100 --> 11:55.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or are the problems she's having-- 11:55.933 --> 11:56.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Oh, don't ask me. 11:56.766 --> 11:58.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - No, I'm gonna ask you. 11:58.166 --> 11:59.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Or are the problems she's having at Yahoo 11:59.466 --> 12:00.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% problems of her own making? 12:00.733 --> 12:01.833 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yes. 12:01.833 --> 12:03.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Man at table] Both? 12:03.066 --> 12:03.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think in that case we have to, 12:03.833 --> 12:05.100 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% yes. 12:05.100 --> 12:06.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Both yes, she's been treated unfairly and-- 12:06.366 --> 12:07.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think she has not been treated unfairly. 12:07.866 --> 12:08.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think she's not running that company very well. 12:08.700 --> 12:09.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% That's it. 12:09.933 --> 12:10.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, and she's gotta be judged-- 12:10.600 --> 12:11.266 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Full stop. 12:11.266 --> 12:12.066 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Full stop. 12:12.066 --> 12:12.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It's not a gender issue. 12:12.933 --> 12:14.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Everyone was behind her. 12:14.600 --> 12:15.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% She had everybody behind her. 12:15.666 --> 12:17.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That's a nonissue. 12:17.133 --> 12:21.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But in any case, this idea of unconscious bias. 12:21.633 --> 12:22.766 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's ridiculous. 12:22.766 --> 12:24.033 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's laziness. 12:24.033 --> 12:25.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's pure laziness not to look up and notice 12:25.133 --> 12:26.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that everybody is like you. 12:26.533 --> 12:28.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And by the way, there's so much data 12:28.766 --> 12:30.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and business data that shows a diverse company 12:30.966 --> 12:33.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is a better company, it is a more profitable company. 12:33.500 --> 12:35.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You shouldn't have to make that argument-- 12:35.466 --> 12:36.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] But the argument exists. 12:36.400 --> 12:37.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - They want you to make that. 12:37.633 --> 12:39.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Let's not make a do the right thing argument, 12:39.966 --> 12:41.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I'm like, why not? 12:41.200 --> 12:42.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Why not make them do the right thing argument? 12:42.666 --> 12:45.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Because it is better to have a diverse environment. 12:45.366 --> 12:47.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You can't have great ideas if you have 12:47.533 --> 12:49.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the same group of people. 12:49.333 --> 12:51.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And you can't just pattern match 12:51.233 --> 12:54.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the Mark Zuckerberg's of the world. 12:54.433 --> 12:57.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% One person was telling me, and it's a very common thing, 12:57.100 --> 12:59.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it's like, well Cara, if we had a Marsha Zuckerberg 12:59.466 --> 13:01.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% instead of a Mark. 13:01.033 --> 13:04.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% First of all, Mark wouldn't make a great looking lady, 13:04.033 --> 13:06.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but that's fine, but that's ridiculous. 13:06.400 --> 13:08.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There's so many women at so many levels 13:08.733 --> 13:11.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that we celebrate these single founders when, 13:11.666 --> 13:13.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know what, Facebook has a lot to do 13:13.400 --> 13:14.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% with Sheryl Sandberg. 13:14.900 --> 13:16.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It has a lot to do with tons of women executives there. 13:16.900 --> 13:18.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Same thing with Google. 13:18.300 --> 13:19.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There's all these amazing women executives, 13:19.500 --> 13:22.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but we just celebrate the two at the top 13:22.233 --> 13:23.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% instead of everybody there. 13:23.866 --> 13:26.600 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% We like to do that because that's, we're reductive that way. 13:26.600 --> 13:27.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% But it hasn't changed. 13:27.766 --> 13:28.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Man in hat] Thank you. 13:28.533 --> 13:29.333 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Sir? 13:29.333 --> 13:32.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - It hasn't changed. 13:33.800 --> 13:36.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - First, I wanted to say that I frequently watch 13:36.033 --> 13:39.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for you and Walt on the, here it's 10 a.m., 13:39.366 --> 13:42.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% 11 a.m. slot on CNBC, so please keep doing that. 13:42.966 --> 13:44.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Okay, we like that. 13:44.533 --> 13:45.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - I really appreciate it. 13:45.700 --> 13:47.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I also appreciate your story about 13:47.066 --> 13:48.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% downloading a book and basically breaking the internet 13:48.433 --> 13:49.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% at that location. 13:49.366 --> 13:51.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I was at Purdue when they were, 13:51.000 --> 13:52.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I was on DARPA net, 13:52.266 --> 13:54.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was working at Los Alamos National lab 13:54.366 --> 13:56.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and I was dating somebody there 13:56.166 --> 13:59.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and so I was doing the what would now be texting 13:59.933 --> 14:02.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% with telnet, so it reminded me of all those days 14:02.833 --> 14:04.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and it was fun to hear. 14:04.433 --> 14:05.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Let's take your question. 14:05.833 --> 14:08.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So my question is predicting between one year 14:08.366 --> 14:12.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and two years from now, stories will come out that 14:12.933 --> 14:15.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% oh, wow, this encryption thing is a lot more difficult 14:15.233 --> 14:18.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% than we though and the opposite of what people 14:18.066 --> 14:20.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% seem to be saying is true and that is 14:20.933 --> 14:23.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it's really easy to do strong encryption 14:23.200 --> 14:24.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that can't be broken. 14:24.766 --> 14:27.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think it's much easier than is being implied. 14:27.633 --> 14:29.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] What's your sense of that? 14:29.133 --> 14:30.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - In less than a year from now or about a year from now 14:30.733 --> 14:32.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it's gonna be, wow, everybody has this encryption 14:32.333 --> 14:34.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that's so good and there's apps that you can download 14:34.166 --> 14:36.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that make it impossible to crack even a super computer. 14:36.366 --> 14:37.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Yes, that's what I'm saying. 14:37.566 --> 14:42.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They keep saying let's get this one. 14:43.433 --> 14:44.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm like, criminals are gonna get guns. 14:44.366 --> 14:45.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They're just gonna get guns. 14:45.633 --> 14:47.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so are people with bad intents. 14:47.066 --> 14:48.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They're gonna find ways to. 14:48.300 --> 14:49.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% By the way, they use other technologies 14:49.933 --> 14:50.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that's not encrypted. 14:50.900 --> 14:52.133 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% They just do. 14:52.133 --> 14:54.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're not all computer geniuses, 14:54.633 --> 14:56.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% like you're in a Bond movie of something like that. 14:56.900 --> 14:59.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think it goes to the heart of other issues around 14:59.333 --> 15:02.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% inequality, about religious issues. 15:02.066 --> 15:04.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's so complicated and we prefer to focus 15:04.200 --> 15:07.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on one single thing because it's easy. 15:07.133 --> 15:09.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And you get crying families, believe me, 15:09.400 --> 15:12.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% everyone has sympathy for these families, 15:12.100 --> 15:13.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but at the same time you also should have sympathy 15:13.900 --> 15:18.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% for rights of privacy which is critical to this country. 15:20.333 --> 15:21.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Man in audience] It seems like it's a kennard to pretend 15:21.233 --> 15:22.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% like that's the reason-- 15:22.633 --> 15:24.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - But you know what, the government always has done this. 15:24.133 --> 15:25.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% They always overreach. 15:25.533 --> 15:26.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There's never been a moment where the government 15:26.766 --> 15:28.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% doesn't overreach in our history. 15:28.633 --> 15:30.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They just do it, and that's why we're here. 15:30.933 --> 15:32.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And then we push them back 15:32.633 --> 15:35.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and then they overreach, it's just so common. 15:35.633 --> 15:37.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And we act like it's different, but it's not. 15:37.400 --> 15:38.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - We have time for one more question. 15:38.600 --> 15:39.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I want to be sure we get this gentleman here 15:39.766 --> 15:40.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% before we go. 15:40.966 --> 15:41.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Thank you for your good question. 15:41.633 --> 15:43.133 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Yes, sir? 15:43.133 --> 15:46.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - My question has to do with the Calvin and Hobbes moment. 15:46.400 --> 15:49.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% In the last six months or year, have you had 15:49.033 --> 15:50.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% a moment similar to that? 15:50.700 --> 15:52.133 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - A VR. 15:52.133 --> 15:53.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think some of the VR stuff is really fascinating. 15:53.833 --> 15:55.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I'm really riveted by it. 15:55.533 --> 15:57.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I thought, at first-- 15:57.033 --> 15:59.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So you have seen so much and kind of have a critical eye 15:59.466 --> 16:00.466 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% to everything-- 16:00.466 --> 16:01.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Two things, two things. 16:01.233 --> 16:02.033 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Censors. 16:02.033 --> 16:03.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Censors everywhere. 16:03.500 --> 16:05.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There's going to be a day where we're going to have censors 16:05.533 --> 16:06.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that are gonna be like grains of sand 16:06.833 --> 16:10.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and we're gonna send them out. 16:10.200 --> 16:11.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - For geo locating purposes? 16:11.433 --> 16:12.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Everything, for everything. 16:12.366 --> 16:13.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Sensors will be on everything. 16:13.833 --> 16:16.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Like, it will know pollution, it'll know things that we 16:16.733 --> 16:18.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% shouldn't be getting, cancer causing agents. 16:18.500 --> 16:20.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Like, that's the kind of stuff that's really fantastic. 16:20.866 --> 16:23.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The second thing is, I've talked about this a million times, 16:23.333 --> 16:24.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I love my Amazon Echo. 16:24.566 --> 16:27.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think it's the first iteration of voice-based 16:27.600 --> 16:30.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% command systems that are really effective. 16:30.600 --> 16:33.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Now, people at Google and Apple are real snooty. 16:33.600 --> 16:34.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're like, we have better technology. 16:34.833 --> 16:36.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I said, well, they have the product that works 16:36.300 --> 16:37.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in the environment. 16:37.566 --> 16:38.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So if you want to try something that's cool, 16:38.466 --> 16:39.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% try the Amazon Echo. 16:39.966 --> 16:41.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's the first time where I start talking to a device 16:41.466 --> 16:44.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and it responds in a way that I can see the future. 16:44.633 --> 16:45.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It's your other good relationship besides 16:45.633 --> 16:46.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% your phone, right? 16:46.866 --> 16:48.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yes, Barbara and the Amazon Echo. 16:48.200 --> 16:49.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You can't change the Amazon Echo's name. 16:49.700 --> 16:52.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You either have to call it Alexa, Echo, or Amazon. 16:52.133 --> 16:55.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I wrote Jeff Bazos, I'm like, can I call it Phyllis? 16:55.233 --> 16:56.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Why can't I call it Phyllis? 16:56.200 --> 16:57.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% But that's another one. 16:57.633 --> 16:59.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And then the third one is VR. 16:59.100 --> 17:01.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think some of the VR stuff is going to be 17:01.900 --> 17:06.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% astonishing around learning, obviously porn, clearly, 17:06.400 --> 17:10.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but entertainment, travel, it's just really starting 17:10.333 --> 17:12.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to get really freakishly fantastic. 17:12.900 --> 17:15.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Like when you put it on and you're like, whoa, 17:15.466 --> 17:16.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% this is, it's really fun. 17:16.933 --> 17:19.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% The issue is content creation. 17:19.300 --> 17:21.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I don't think people know how to create content. 17:21.200 --> 17:22.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's a different kind of content creation. 17:22.700 --> 17:23.866 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% That'll be the-- 17:23.866 --> 17:24.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Man at table] That's the next thing. 17:24.533 --> 17:25.333 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - But I love VR. 17:25.333 --> 17:26.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I think it's great. 17:26.400 --> 17:27.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Give Cara Swisher a big hand. 17:27.700 --> 17:29.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Great to have her here. 17:29.400 --> 17:30.200 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Thank you all. 17:30.200 --> 17:31.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Great to have you here. 17:31.133 --> 17:32.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% We'll see you again, take care.