WEBVTT 00:01.500 --> 00:03.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Voiceover] Funding for Overheard with Evan Smith 00:03.100 --> 00:04.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% is provided in part by 00:04.500 --> 00:06.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the Alice Kleberg Reynolds Foundation 00:06.900 --> 00:08.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and Hillco Partners, 00:08.933 --> 00:11.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a Texas government affairs consultancy. 00:11.366 --> 00:14.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And by KLRU's Producers circle, 00:14.333 --> 00:16.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ensuring local programming 00:16.033 --> 00:17.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that reflects the character and interests 00:17.766 --> 00:21.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of the greater Austin, Texas community. 00:21.233 --> 00:22.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - I'm Evan Smith. 00:22.066 --> 00:23.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% He's the breakout star 00:23.433 --> 00:26.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of the political journalism class of 2016. 00:26.000 --> 00:27.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% A reporter for the Washington Post, 00:27.900 --> 00:29.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% whose dogged coverage of Donald Trump 00:29.833 --> 00:31.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% won him praise from his peers 00:31.600 --> 00:33.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and legions of fans 00:33.166 --> 00:35.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and just maybe a Pulitzer. 00:35.500 --> 00:36.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% He is David Fahrenthold. 00:36.866 --> 00:38.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% This is Overheard. 00:39.300 --> 00:40.566 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Let's be honest. 00:40.566 --> 00:42.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Is this about the ability to learn 00:42.333 --> 00:43.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or is this about the experience 00:43.700 --> 00:45.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of not having been taught properly? 00:45.433 --> 00:47.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% How have you avoided what has befallen 00:47.466 --> 00:49.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% other nations in Africa 00:49.200 --> 00:50.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% One could say that he made his own bed, 00:50.466 --> 00:52.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but you caused him to sleep in it. 00:52.300 --> 00:56.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You saw a problem and over time took it on. 00:56.000 --> 00:57.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Let's start with the sizzle 00:57.166 --> 00:59.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% before we get to the steak. 00:59.033 --> 01:00.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Are you gonna run for President? 01:00.366 --> 01:02.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think I just got an F from you actually. 01:02.766 --> 01:03.866 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% This is over. 01:07.633 --> 01:08.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - David Fahrenthold welcome. 01:08.866 --> 01:09.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Great to be here 01:09.700 --> 01:12.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - So a reporter in 2016, 01:12.200 --> 01:14.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who people like and admire - (laughs) 01:14.666 --> 01:15.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - You're like half unicorn, 01:15.766 --> 01:17.466 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% half Bigfoot. - It won't last. 01:17.466 --> 01:19.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - No it couldn't possibly be. 01:19.033 --> 01:21.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We're not in a business that people like 01:21.466 --> 01:23.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or admire very much these days. 01:23.566 --> 01:26.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We're kind of between child molesters 01:26.266 --> 01:28.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and IRS investigators, right? 01:28.966 --> 01:30.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The journalism business has seen better times. 01:30.966 --> 01:32.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right worse than Congress actually 01:32.133 --> 01:32.966 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right. 01:32.966 --> 01:33.800 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% What happened? 01:33.800 --> 01:35.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% How did we get here? 01:35.033 --> 01:36.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - How did we get to such a low ebb? 01:36.066 --> 01:37.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - What did we do wrong? 01:37.300 --> 01:38.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I thought we were doing the people's work? 01:38.866 --> 01:40.800 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - Well there's a lot of us in the business right. 01:40.800 --> 01:41.633 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Some of us do it well. 01:41.633 --> 01:42.600 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Some of us do it poorly. 01:42.600 --> 01:43.433 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% But mostly we're a good foil 01:43.433 --> 01:44.400 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% for everybody right? 01:44.400 --> 01:46.266 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Politicians on both sides see us 01:46.266 --> 01:48.033 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% as when things aren't going their way 01:48.033 --> 01:49.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% they find it's a convenient way to blame us. 01:49.933 --> 01:50.900 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 01:50.900 --> 01:51.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But the public believes them. 01:51.900 --> 01:53.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They can blame us all they want 01:53.533 --> 01:56.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but the public actually seems receptive to this idea. 01:56.000 --> 01:58.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right and also when people read the news 01:58.666 --> 01:59.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or watch the news the part 01:59.933 --> 02:01.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that they agree with the regard as just right. 02:01.800 --> 02:04.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% How hard was it to find what was true? 02:04.000 --> 02:05.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% When they don't agree with something 02:05.200 --> 02:06.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% then they blame you. - They blame us 02:06.366 --> 02:08.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% The facts are the facts. 02:08.333 --> 02:10.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Right if they disagree with the facts they blame us. 02:10.366 --> 02:13.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Does it make you less apt to do the work you do? 02:13.633 --> 02:15.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - No no not at all. 02:15.466 --> 02:17.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% In fact I have to say I'm kind 02:17.466 --> 02:18.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% of a counter example. 02:18.433 --> 02:19.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% This year I've had a really good 02:19.566 --> 02:20.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% relationship with readers, 02:20.933 --> 02:21.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a really good relationship with the public. 02:21.933 --> 02:23.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right - The abuse has not been 02:23.166 --> 02:24.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% nearly as bad as it has been for other people. 02:24.400 --> 02:25.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Only from the people you cover. 02:25.666 --> 02:28.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah and not even that much from them. 02:28.166 --> 02:29.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% One of the weird things about Trump 02:29.600 --> 02:31.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is I don't even get abused that much by them. 02:31.633 --> 02:32.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They just ignored me a lot 02:32.900 --> 02:33.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Are you offended? 02:33.733 --> 02:34.666 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Wait a minute. 02:34.666 --> 02:35.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He's attacking other people, 02:35.600 --> 02:36.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% why won't he attack me right? 02:36.400 --> 02:37.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - I did not think that. 02:37.500 --> 02:39.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - (Laughs) You know it's funny. 02:39.333 --> 02:42.366 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% Throughout a lot of this campaign 02:42.366 --> 02:43.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Trump would go after individual reporters 02:43.833 --> 02:45.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% by name and - And occasionally the Post 02:45.700 --> 02:46.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Occasionally the Post 02:46.933 --> 02:48.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and he banned us from covering him 02:48.533 --> 02:49.733 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% for a long time. 02:49.733 --> 02:51.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But he's never actually tweeted about me. 02:51.000 --> 02:52.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I blame the fact that my last name 02:52.966 --> 02:54.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% is hard to spell for the fact 02:54.166 --> 02:55.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that some other people don't abuse me. 02:55.533 --> 02:56.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% (audience laughs) I think they abuse 02:56.500 --> 02:58.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Congressman Blake Farenthold who 02:58.033 --> 02:59.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% has a slightly easier to spell version of my name. 02:59.533 --> 03:00.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - He attacked the Congressman that's it 03:00.866 --> 03:02.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we're gonna go back and look this up right now. 03:02.866 --> 03:03.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Maybe they blame him instead. 03:03.800 --> 03:04.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - So you worked for the Post, 03:04.733 --> 03:05.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% you've worked for the post 03:05.633 --> 03:06.833 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% for 16 years - Yes 03:06.833 --> 03:08.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It's been your one employer out of college. 03:08.466 --> 03:09.733 align:left position:40%,start line:83% size:50% - Right - Right? 03:09.733 --> 03:10.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - That's right - And you've covered Congress, 03:10.933 --> 03:12.166 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% you've covered D.C. city government, 03:12.166 --> 03:14.066 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% you've covered the bureaucracy, 03:14.066 --> 03:15.233 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% - D.C. police - the environment. 03:15.233 --> 03:16.366 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% You did all that sort of stuff, right? 03:16.366 --> 03:18.000 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% You've covered a range of things. 03:18.000 --> 03:19.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But never a presidential before. 03:19.833 --> 03:22.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Well I had done a little bit of the 2012 campaign, 03:22.266 --> 03:23.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in which the highlight 03:23.866 --> 03:25.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of my 2012 experience was that I found a man 03:25.900 --> 03:27.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in New Hampshire who took his goat 03:27.700 --> 03:29.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to meet all the candidates (audience laughs). 03:29.633 --> 03:30.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Okay, great - And you remember 03:30.766 --> 03:32.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% John Huntsman then. 03:32.166 --> 03:33.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% John Huntsman spent like a thousand days 03:33.933 --> 03:35.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in New Hampshire and nobody liked him anyway. 03:35.733 --> 03:36.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - He put all of his chips on that square. 03:36.800 --> 03:37.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - And nobody liked him 03:37.633 --> 03:38.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% except for the goat guy 03:38.633 --> 03:40.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and that was because his goat 03:40.266 --> 03:41.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% had bit John Huntsman 03:41.566 --> 03:43.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and Huntsman was totally cool about it. 03:43.200 --> 03:44.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And that was the one committed 03:44.466 --> 03:45.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Huntsman voter I met 03:45.733 --> 03:46.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - This is like the last five minutes 03:46.666 --> 03:48.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of every local newscast right? 03:48.366 --> 03:50.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% The human interest story 03:50.566 --> 03:51.400 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 03:51.400 --> 03:52.333 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - The goat story 03:52.333 --> 03:53.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So that was like your only 03:53.866 --> 03:55.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Nothing like 2016 03:55.133 --> 03:56.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - This was really the first big presidential. 03:56.600 --> 03:58.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% How do you get on the Trump beat 03:58.133 --> 03:59.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% if you're at the Post. 03:59.366 --> 04:01.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You've got a news room full of big stars. 04:01.200 --> 04:02.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I mean this is not, 04:02.933 --> 04:05.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I look at the Post's work over this campaign 04:05.133 --> 04:06.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I think the Post did the best work 04:06.066 --> 04:07.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of any journalism organization. 04:07.900 --> 04:09.266 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% No close second 04:09.266 --> 04:11.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and it was almost to a person, 04:11.233 --> 04:12.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Dan Balls, Karen Tumulty, 04:12.633 --> 04:14.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Robert Costa Katie Zezima. 04:14.566 --> 04:16.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% You go down the list, 04:16.233 --> 04:17.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Rebecca Sinderbrand. 04:17.433 --> 04:19.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Everybody at the Post did amazing work. 04:19.100 --> 04:20.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% You were one of many. 04:20.200 --> 04:21.133 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yes 04:21.133 --> 04:22.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - How do you throw elbows 04:22.500 --> 04:24.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and crowd yourself on to that team? 04:24.466 --> 04:25.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well it kind of happened by accident. 04:25.633 --> 04:27.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I spent 2015 covering, 04:27.600 --> 04:29.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I don't like parts of political journalism 04:29.233 --> 04:30.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% where you're one of 100 people 04:30.300 --> 04:31.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% following a candidate around. 04:31.366 --> 04:32.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I wanted to be the one person 04:32.600 --> 04:34.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% doing the story I was doing. 04:34.033 --> 04:35.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So that meant covering basically losers last year. 04:35.800 --> 04:36.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I spent a lot of last year writing 04:36.966 --> 04:38.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% about people who had no chance 04:38.366 --> 04:39.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because I just thought they were interesting. 04:39.700 --> 04:41.200 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% So Rick Perry. 04:41.200 --> 04:42.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Actually when I flew to see Rick Perry give a speech, 04:42.433 --> 04:44.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to start a profile of him, 04:44.266 --> 04:45.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he dropped out in the middle of the speech 04:45.866 --> 04:47.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that I saw him give. 04:47.266 --> 04:49.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - You're like the Sports Illustrated cover curse, right? 04:49.733 --> 04:50.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - It's like a mummy's curse. 04:50.933 --> 04:52.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% If touch you die. - You're dead. 04:52.400 --> 04:54.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So it meant that by the time we got to Iowa, 04:54.700 --> 04:56.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% all the people I had covered, 04:56.333 --> 04:58.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Santorum, Pataki, Gilmore, 04:58.100 --> 04:59.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% they were all gone. 04:59.333 --> 05:01.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So they sent me to follow Trump around. 05:01.366 --> 05:02.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% To write a story. 05:02.800 --> 05:05.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Basically the oh my God - Were they trying to kill him 05:05.566 --> 05:06.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is that what they were trying to do? 05:06.400 --> 05:07.633 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - No. 05:07.633 --> 05:08.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It was supposed to be Donald Trump 05:08.866 --> 05:09.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% may actually win the Iowa caucuses. 05:09.800 --> 05:10.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Religious conservative Iowa, 05:10.766 --> 05:11.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Donald Trump the three time 05:11.700 --> 05:12.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% married mogul might win. 05:12.966 --> 05:14.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So they sent me to follow him around 05:14.100 --> 05:15.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in a caucus state. 05:15.033 --> 05:16.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And I'm in Waterloo, Iowa 05:16.566 --> 05:18.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% watching Trump give a rally. 05:18.233 --> 05:20.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And Trump stops the rally in the middle and says, 05:20.200 --> 05:22.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% come on up here people from this local 05:22.133 --> 05:24.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Waterloo veteran's organization. 05:24.000 --> 05:25.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I'm going to give you a check. 05:25.366 --> 05:26.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That's something I'd never seen before. 05:26.833 --> 05:28.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% He gives them this giant golf tournament sized check 05:28.966 --> 05:30.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Like a novelty check 05:30.200 --> 05:32.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah it says Donald J. Trump Foundation 05:32.800 --> 05:34.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on the top Make America Great Again 05:34.133 --> 05:34.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% on the bottom. 05:34.966 --> 05:37.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It's for $100,000. 05:37.000 --> 05:37.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So he gives them this check 05:37.966 --> 05:38.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and they say thank you 05:38.900 --> 05:40.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and he goes back to the rally. 05:40.166 --> 05:41.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So he's using his charity basically, 05:41.800 --> 05:44.233 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% as a prop in his political rally. 05:44.233 --> 05:46.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% If you remember a few days earlier, 05:46.100 --> 05:48.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Trump had held this big fundraiser 05:48.166 --> 05:49.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for veterans in Iowa - right 05:49.100 --> 05:50.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Skipped the Republican debate 05:50.366 --> 05:51.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think he said he had $6 million. 05:51.366 --> 05:53.033 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% - Said he raised $6 million total 05:53.033 --> 05:54.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and that $1 million of it was his. 05:54.500 --> 05:56.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I see him give this big check to people 05:56.066 --> 05:57.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I don't know anything about charities 05:57.733 --> 05:59.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% but I know you can't do that. 05:59.366 --> 06:00.666 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - There's a law. 06:00.666 --> 06:02.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - There's a law that says that non-profits 06:02.200 --> 06:03.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% like the Donald J. Trump Foundation 06:03.400 --> 06:05.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% can not get involved in political campaigns. 06:05.766 --> 06:08.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% To me I thought what clearer evidence could there be 06:08.900 --> 06:11.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that he's using his charity as a prop? 06:11.666 --> 06:12.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So that was one thing 06:12.600 --> 06:13.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that I was interested in. 06:13.833 --> 06:14.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The other thing was I saw him give out 06:14.633 --> 06:15.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% these big novelty checks 06:15.466 --> 06:16.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and then he stopped. 06:16.700 --> 06:17.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And he'd only given out about $1 million. 06:17.966 --> 06:19.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And he said he'd raised six. 06:19.166 --> 06:20.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So where's the rest of the money. 06:20.366 --> 06:21.300 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% So I came back. 06:21.300 --> 06:22.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I had no candidates to cover 06:22.566 --> 06:23.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because all my other candidates were dead 06:23.866 --> 06:25.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and I thought alright, 06:25.466 --> 06:27.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% why don't I just spend a couple of days 06:27.233 --> 06:28.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and figure out what happened 06:28.200 --> 06:29.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to the rest of the money. 06:29.366 --> 06:30.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Figure out if Trump broke the law 06:30.600 --> 06:31.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and figure out what happened to the rets. 06:31.533 --> 06:32.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Did you do this on your own 06:32.800 --> 06:33.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or did you go to an editor at the paper 06:33.733 --> 06:34.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and say I want to chase this? 06:34.933 --> 06:36.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - This part was basically on my own 06:36.100 --> 06:37.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because I didn't think I was assigning 06:37.100 --> 06:38.333 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% myself something for nine months. 06:38.333 --> 06:39.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I thought I was assigning myself, 06:39.566 --> 06:40.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So a skunk work and if then it made, 06:40.833 --> 06:42.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% you go to your bosses 06:42.966 --> 06:44.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and say look what I've got. 06:44.200 --> 06:46.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah and thought there's no way, 06:46.566 --> 06:47.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I thought I would call the Trump campaign 06:47.866 --> 06:48.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and they would say oh yeah, 06:48.800 --> 06:50.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% here's the rest of the money. 06:50.033 --> 06:51.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Because who would ever stiff veterans 06:51.233 --> 06:52.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in the middle of a presidential campaign? 06:52.966 --> 06:54.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Who would say I've raised $6 million 06:54.200 --> 06:55.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and then not give it out. 06:55.400 --> 06:56.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So of course they must have given it out. 06:56.533 --> 06:57.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So I started calling them 06:57.633 --> 06:59.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and calling veteran's groups 06:59.166 --> 07:00.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to try to figure where the money went 07:00.433 --> 07:01.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and it wasn't a couple of days. 07:01.833 --> 07:03.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It wasn't an easy question to answer. 07:03.466 --> 07:05.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That was February first 07:05.666 --> 07:07.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that I saw him give the check out. 07:07.200 --> 07:08.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It took me until the end of May 07:08.866 --> 07:09.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to get them to cough up where 07:09.800 --> 07:11.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the rest of the money was. 07:11.166 --> 07:12.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So did the Trump campaign not respond to you 07:12.466 --> 07:13.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% when you made initial calls? 07:13.966 --> 07:15.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - They responded to me a little bit along the way. 07:15.233 --> 07:18.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% By the beginning of March we knew where 07:18.200 --> 07:19.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% about half the money was 07:19.300 --> 07:20.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% but they said okay we're not 07:20.800 --> 07:21.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% gonna tell you any more. 07:21.866 --> 07:23.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And through all this was 07:23.200 --> 07:24.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Trump had said on the stage, 07:24.633 --> 07:25.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I'm gonna give a million dollars 07:25.900 --> 07:26.900 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% of my own money, 07:26.900 --> 07:28.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in addition to this money 07:28.133 --> 07:29.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I had collected from other people, 07:29.066 --> 07:30.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% one of the six million is mine. 07:30.400 --> 07:31.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Well where was that? 07:31.900 --> 07:33.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% That was the part that I was most concerned about. 07:33.133 --> 07:35.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That's the money he has the most control over. 07:35.766 --> 07:37.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I asked questions, 07:37.000 --> 07:38.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I couldn't figure out the answer. 07:38.266 --> 07:40.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Until something really interesting happened. 07:40.100 --> 07:42.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% At the end of May I get a phone call 07:42.100 --> 07:43.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% from Corey Lewandowski, 07:43.300 --> 07:44.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who was Trump's campaign manager at the time. 07:44.800 --> 07:46.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And he says Mr. Trump has given out his 07:46.966 --> 07:49.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% million dollars to veterans. 07:49.133 --> 07:50.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But I can't tell you who he gave it to 07:50.733 --> 07:52.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or when or how or in what amounts. 07:52.266 --> 07:53.533 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's all secret. 07:53.533 --> 07:54.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Except for fact that you should just know 07:54.566 --> 07:56.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% absolutely he has given money. 07:56.466 --> 07:57.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Take our word for it. 07:57.300 --> 07:58.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Take our word for it. 07:58.500 --> 07:59.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But I didn't want to take their word for it. 07:59.433 --> 08:01.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% This is a huge campaign promise. 08:01.800 --> 08:03.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm not gonna just take their word for it. 08:03.000 --> 08:04.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I said okay how can I figure this out? 08:04.500 --> 08:06.066 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% In the old days you just would have 08:06.066 --> 08:08.600 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% to call all eight zillion veteran's organizations. 08:08.600 --> 08:10.200 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% You'd never really be sure 08:10.200 --> 08:11.033 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that he hadn't given it out. 08:11.033 --> 08:12.266 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% But now there's Twitter. 08:12.266 --> 08:13.500 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% And there's a way to put out these requests 08:13.500 --> 08:15.700 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% in a way that a lot of people will see it 08:15.700 --> 08:16.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and that Trump will see it. 08:16.933 --> 08:19.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - This is one of the amazing parts. 08:19.166 --> 08:20.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% In some ways your reporting over the course 08:20.766 --> 08:22.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of the story was as modern 08:22.133 --> 08:24.333 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and as tech forward as it could have been 08:24.333 --> 08:27.633 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% And in some ways it was literally ink on paper 08:27.633 --> 08:28.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% as old school as it could have been. 08:28.933 --> 08:30.400 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% But the tech forward part was 08:30.400 --> 08:31.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% you used social media, 08:31.400 --> 08:32.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Twitter specifically. 08:32.766 --> 08:35.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% To essentially crowdsource the information 08:35.533 --> 08:38.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that you were trying to get from these guys. 08:38.000 --> 08:39.166 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - That's right. 08:39.166 --> 08:40.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I thought the veterans philanthropy 08:40.500 --> 08:41.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% community is not huge. 08:41.933 --> 08:43.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So I could tweet to Veterans of Foreign Wars, 08:43.566 --> 08:45.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Disabled American Veterans, 08:45.066 --> 08:47.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and other groups that deal with veterans 08:47.966 --> 08:49.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in a way that not only 08:49.466 --> 08:50.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the national press corp could see, 08:50.900 --> 08:51.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% because they're all on Twitter. 08:51.733 --> 08:52.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Trump could see 08:52.933 --> 08:53.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because I'm putting his handle on the tweet. 08:53.866 --> 08:55.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And the idea was okay I'm gonna 08:55.133 --> 08:56.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% ask all these people hey did you get any 08:56.666 --> 08:58.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of this million dollars Donald Trump gave out? 08:58.100 --> 08:59.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% But even if they didn't, 08:59.233 --> 09:00.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% someone else might see it 09:00.233 --> 09:01.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and say hey you didn't ask us 09:01.033 --> 09:02.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% but we got money. 09:02.433 --> 09:04.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So maybe you wouldn't find the whole iceberg 09:04.233 --> 09:05.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but you'd find the tip of the iceberg. 09:05.366 --> 09:06.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And maybe Trump would see it 09:06.866 --> 09:07.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and respond in a way 09:07.966 --> 09:09.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that would give us more details. 09:09.133 --> 09:10.066 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah 09:10.066 --> 09:11.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - So I spent a day tweeting 09:11.333 --> 09:12.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and accomplished nothing. 09:12.633 --> 09:13.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I learned nothing. 09:13.566 --> 09:14.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% The people all responded saying 09:14.900 --> 09:16.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% they hadn't gotten the money. 09:16.166 --> 09:18.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I thought this is a huge waste of time. 09:18.500 --> 09:19.366 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% But Trump saw. 09:19.366 --> 09:20.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And it turned out 09:20.600 --> 09:21.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that actually when Lewandowski told me 09:21.866 --> 09:22.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that he'd given away his million dollars 09:22.966 --> 09:24.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that was completely wrong. 09:24.000 --> 09:25.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That was totally false. 09:25.233 --> 09:26.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The money was still in Trump's pocket. 09:26.733 --> 09:28.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It was only after my day of tweeting 09:28.333 --> 09:29.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% at all these groups 09:29.266 --> 09:30.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and looking for the money 09:30.766 --> 09:31.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that Trump actually did give the million dollars, 09:31.700 --> 09:32.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% all in one fell swoop, 09:32.900 --> 09:35.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to a group that he'd known for years. 09:35.366 --> 09:36.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Now we should say 09:36.600 --> 09:38.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that although this was the current year 09:38.133 --> 09:39.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and this wouldn't have been available yet. 09:39.700 --> 09:42.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% In previous years when you're investigating 09:42.000 --> 09:43.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% somebody's charitable giving, 09:43.233 --> 09:44.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% which you eventually did do over time, 09:44.866 --> 09:47.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you would simply have tax returns available. 09:47.600 --> 09:49.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Tax returns would be a helpful 09:49.466 --> 09:50.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% primary source document. 09:50.633 --> 09:52.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But in this case we didn't have, 09:52.133 --> 09:53.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and still don't have, 09:53.100 --> 09:54.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Trump's tax returns. 09:54.333 --> 09:55.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - In previous years Clinton , 09:55.700 --> 09:58.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% anybody who'd run for office previously 09:58.633 --> 09:59.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% had released their personal tax returns. 09:59.933 --> 10:01.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Which would show what they'd given. 10:01.266 --> 10:02.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - If you were investigating somebody else's 10:02.600 --> 10:03.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% charitable giving you would have it 10:03.666 --> 10:04.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% right there on paper. 10:04.900 --> 10:06.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It wouldn't be much of an investigation. 10:06.133 --> 10:08.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It wouldn't take any time to resolve. 10:08.800 --> 10:10.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - In this case Trump calls me 10:10.600 --> 10:12.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and says okay I've given this million dollars. 10:12.600 --> 10:13.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - He personally calls you. 10:13.433 --> 10:14.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - He called. 10:14.600 --> 10:15.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% This is the last time I talked to him. 10:15.133 --> 10:15.933 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Stop. 10:15.933 --> 10:16.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I gotta know about this. 10:16.866 --> 10:18.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% This is actually interesting. 10:18.366 --> 10:19.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Because he may have you killed at some point. 10:19.833 --> 10:22.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I want to ask you while I still can. 10:22.800 --> 10:25.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So he calls the Post switchboard? 10:25.033 --> 10:25.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% What does he do? 10:25.966 --> 10:27.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Does he call your cell phone? 10:27.166 --> 10:27.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well no I had been asking all along 10:27.833 --> 10:29.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% to talk to him. 10:29.100 --> 10:30.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And in the past you could just call him. 10:30.033 --> 10:31.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Like when I had written stories 10:31.233 --> 10:32.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% about him in the summer of 2015, 10:32.866 --> 10:34.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you could just call his cell phone and get him. 10:34.833 --> 10:36.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Now as he rose in the polls 10:36.433 --> 10:37.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it was harder to get a hold of him. 10:37.533 --> 10:38.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But I had been asking okay, 10:38.800 --> 10:40.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% have him call me. 10:40.433 --> 10:41.400 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% So he did. 10:41.400 --> 10:42.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% This is the last time we talked. 10:42.366 --> 10:43.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He called me and he said yes 10:43.533 --> 10:45.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I've given the million dollars away. 10:45.133 --> 10:47.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Long after Lewandowski said he already had. 10:47.600 --> 10:49.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I said did you only give it now 10:49.400 --> 10:50.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% because I was asking about it? 10:50.966 --> 10:52.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He said you're a really nasty guy. 10:52.700 --> 10:53.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% You just a nasty guy. 10:53.900 --> 10:55.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Just for asking that question? 10:55.133 --> 10:56.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah he didn't answer the question. 10:56.133 --> 10:57.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It was the strangest interview 10:57.433 --> 10:59.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because then I'm not gonna argue with him 10:59.633 --> 11:01.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% about whether I'm a nasty person, 11:01.300 --> 11:02.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% but I had other questions 11:02.300 --> 11:03.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that I wanted him to answer. 11:03.233 --> 11:04.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% What happened to the other money 11:04.433 --> 11:05.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that other donors gave you to give away? 11:05.466 --> 11:06.400 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Where is that? 11:06.400 --> 11:07.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - The other five million. 11:07.333 --> 11:08.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - The other five million. 11:08.533 --> 11:10.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I'm not just gonna argue with him 11:10.066 --> 11:11.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% so he would say oh you're a nasty guy, you're terrible. 11:11.266 --> 11:13.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I would go back and ask a factual question. 11:13.500 --> 11:14.866 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% He would reset. 11:14.866 --> 11:16.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He would give some factual answer 11:16.333 --> 11:18.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% which would then devolve into more insults of me 11:18.500 --> 11:19.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and then we'd go back again. 11:19.800 --> 11:21.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So the strangest interview. 11:21.033 --> 11:22.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But that was the last time I talked to him. 11:22.600 --> 11:24.033 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% We talked then, 11:24.033 --> 11:25.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I wrote the story. 11:25.233 --> 11:26.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So at what point did you decide 11:26.166 --> 11:27.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to expand your focus from 11:27.933 --> 11:29.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that specific $6 million 11:29.233 --> 11:31.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to all charitable giving by Donald Trump? 11:31.566 --> 11:32.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - It was after that. 11:32.833 --> 11:35.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So Trump after he called me, 11:35.566 --> 11:37.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he had this angry press conference 11:37.166 --> 11:38.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at Trump Tower where he described giving 11:38.400 --> 11:39.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% away the rest of the money 11:39.400 --> 11:40.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that people had entrusted him 11:40.366 --> 11:41.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% just for the veterans thing. 11:41.666 --> 11:42.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Remember he called the media a piece of work 11:42.566 --> 11:43.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and insulted people. 11:43.966 --> 11:46.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Then Marty Barron, 11:46.100 --> 11:47.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% our executive editor said 11:47.600 --> 11:50.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% why don't you look at all his charitable giving. 11:50.700 --> 11:52.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Basically if he's willing to play 11:52.466 --> 11:54.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% fast and loose with money for veterans 11:54.400 --> 11:56.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the middle of a Republican presidential primary, 11:56.866 --> 11:58.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% has he been keeping his promises before 11:58.600 --> 11:59.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when basically nobody was looking? 11:59.966 --> 12:00.966 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 12:00.966 --> 12:01.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and at that point you broke out 12:01.766 --> 12:02.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% the big chief tablet. 12:02.900 --> 12:03.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We actually wondered what was it? 12:03.866 --> 12:05.666 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Is it a notepad? 12:05.666 --> 12:07.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Was it a notebook? 12:07.666 --> 12:10.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Because the museum ought to have your, 12:10.933 --> 12:13.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% whatever this thing was that you wrote on. 12:13.266 --> 12:14.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - It was a legal pad. 12:14.100 --> 12:16.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So I though okay now, 12:16.100 --> 12:17.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% the question then became 12:17.400 --> 12:19.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Trump over his lifetime had promised to give 12:19.133 --> 12:20.500 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% tens of millions of dollars away. 12:20.500 --> 12:22.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He has this weird dichotomy where he's 12:22.766 --> 12:24.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% always telling you how rich he is. 12:24.266 --> 12:25.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He's so rich he doesn't need more money. 12:25.533 --> 12:26.666 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% He's so rich. 12:26.666 --> 12:27.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Like that's the first word 12:27.766 --> 12:29.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of "The Art of the Deal." 12:29.000 --> 12:30.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm so rich I couldn't use any more money. 12:30.866 --> 12:32.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But yet he's always hustling for more money. 12:32.400 --> 12:33.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He's trying to sell you steaks or classes, 12:33.600 --> 12:36.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% - The gold plated Make America Great hats 12:36.933 --> 12:38.333 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% for Christmas - Right 12:38.333 --> 12:38.966 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - I got an email probably today about that. 12:38.966 --> 12:40.100 align:left position:40%,start line:5% size:50% - Right 12:40.100 --> 12:41.166 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - So he's always like this guy 12:41.166 --> 12:42.300 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% who says I don't need more money 12:42.300 --> 12:43.233 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% but he's always hustling for your money. 12:43.233 --> 12:44.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Well how does he suqre that? 12:44.466 --> 12:45.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's always well it's for charity. 12:45.266 --> 12:46.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Trump University, 12:46.200 --> 12:47.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the profit's going to charity 12:47.100 --> 12:48.066 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Charity 12:48.066 --> 12:49.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Trump Water, going to charity. 12:49.266 --> 12:50.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He told Howard Stern all the money 12:50.100 --> 12:50.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% for the Apprentice, 12:50.933 --> 12:51.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% $2.5 million a year, 12:51.766 --> 12:54.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% was going to charity. 12:54.000 --> 12:54.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - But no proof of that. 12:54.833 --> 12:55.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - No proof of that. 12:55.800 --> 12:57.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So let's try to find again, 12:57.100 --> 12:58.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% the tip of the iceberg. 12:58.266 --> 12:59.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So Trump wouldn't help me at all 12:59.400 --> 13:00.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and I thought well why don't I 13:00.533 --> 13:01.900 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% just make a list of the charities 13:01.900 --> 13:03.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I think are most likely to have 13:03.166 --> 13:04.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% gotten money out of Trump's own pocket. 13:04.566 --> 13:05.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I'll just call them. 13:05.400 --> 13:07.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I'll go down the list 13:07.633 --> 13:10.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - How long was the initial list? 13:10.233 --> 13:12.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - The initial list was a couple of hundred. 13:12.366 --> 13:14.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% When I wrote it down it was a couple hundred. 13:14.066 --> 13:15.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And then I kept expanding it. 13:15.733 --> 13:17.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Thinking maybe he would call 13:17.033 --> 13:18.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and volunteer and tell me something 13:18.300 --> 13:19.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or maybe somebody else would know something. 13:19.533 --> 13:21.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I started writing it down on a legal pad 13:21.266 --> 13:23.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and taking pictures of it, 13:23.100 --> 13:24.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% putting it on Twitter. 13:24.066 --> 13:25.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Putting it on Twitter 13:25.066 --> 13:26.200 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% - The idea being that you can get 13:26.200 --> 13:27.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a lot more information into a picture 13:27.400 --> 13:28.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% than you can into a tweet - Yeah 13:28.666 --> 13:30.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I wrote out the ones where they said never, 13:30.433 --> 13:32.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he'd never given them money in one color ink. 13:32.466 --> 13:34.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So you could see visually, 13:34.166 --> 13:35.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% how hard I'm trying 13:35.800 --> 13:37.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and how many places had said no 13:37.566 --> 13:38.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% we've never gotten his money. 13:38.400 --> 13:39.466 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right. 13:39.466 --> 13:41.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And did the organizations you called 13:41.100 --> 13:43.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% respond in most cases quickly or at all? 13:43.600 --> 13:46.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Were some reluctant to cross Trump? 13:46.366 --> 13:47.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% What was the story there? 13:47.300 --> 13:48.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Almost everybody responded. 13:48.466 --> 13:49.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So it started to grow 13:49.633 --> 13:50.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and people started coming to me with things 13:50.966 --> 13:53.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that I didn't even know I was looking for. 13:53.500 --> 13:56.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I started out not really knowing what was legal 13:56.366 --> 13:57.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and illegal in the world of charity. 13:57.833 --> 13:59.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And also not really understanding 13:59.533 --> 14:01.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - This was not your area of expertise before. 14:01.033 --> 14:02.266 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It is now. 14:02.266 --> 14:03.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - To the degree that I had an area of expertise 14:03.400 --> 14:05.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% no this was definitely not it. 14:07.333 --> 14:11.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Just as an example of how this all turned so fast. 14:11.000 --> 14:12.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I get a call one day, 14:12.266 --> 14:13.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% after I'd been out there doing 14:13.866 --> 14:15.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% this stuff for a while, 14:15.100 --> 14:16.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% from somebody in the Palm Beach area code. 14:16.166 --> 14:17.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Somebody I don't know. 14:17.366 --> 14:19.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Trump owns the Mar A Lago club in Palm Beach. 14:19.000 --> 14:21.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% The person says havi art Trump. 14:21.466 --> 14:23.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% H-A-V-I art Trump. 14:23.766 --> 14:25.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Okay that sounds like nonsense. 14:25.933 --> 14:26.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Almost all the time you get 14:26.866 --> 14:28.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% a tip like that it's useless. 14:28.833 --> 14:30.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But this was the perfect situation. 14:30.700 --> 14:32.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I googled that and immediately found 14:32.433 --> 14:34.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% a portrait of Trump. 14:34.000 --> 14:35.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - This is the famous six foot portrait? 14:35.666 --> 14:36.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - This is another portrait. 14:36.700 --> 14:37.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - A second portrait. 14:37.633 --> 14:38.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - This is the second portrait. 14:38.900 --> 14:40.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The six foot portrait we knew about already. 14:40.233 --> 14:41.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That's the one he paid $20,000 for 14:41.700 --> 14:42.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% out of his charity. 14:42.633 --> 14:43.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Out of foundation money. 14:43.366 --> 14:44.300 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right. 14:44.300 --> 14:45.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I still never found that one. 14:45.300 --> 14:47.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% As a brief aside on that. 14:47.100 --> 14:48.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I think you'll enjoy this. 14:48.600 --> 14:50.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I get a picture of the six foot tall portrait. 14:50.733 --> 14:52.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% This was painted by a speed painter in five minutes. 14:52.866 --> 14:54.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Trump paid $20,000 for it. 14:54.366 --> 14:57.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It's a picture of Trump's face. 14:57.066 --> 14:58.966 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% It's sort of his normal skin tone 14:58.966 --> 15:01.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but done in kind of a neony sort of way. 15:01.300 --> 15:02.533 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% We get a picture of it 15:02.533 --> 15:03.800 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% but we couldn't get the rights to use it. 15:03.800 --> 15:04.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% So I'm thinking okay I'll put this 15:04.933 --> 15:06.100 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% into Google image search 15:06.100 --> 15:08.500 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and it'll show me another place. 15:08.500 --> 15:09.933 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Maybe it's hanging on the wall 15:09.933 --> 15:11.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the background of somebody's prom picture or something. 15:11.200 --> 15:12.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I put this picture of Trump's face 15:12.900 --> 15:14.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% into the Google image search. 15:14.133 --> 15:15.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% This is not a lie, 15:15.466 --> 15:16.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% this is absolutely true, 15:16.700 --> 15:18.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Google says I think this is an orange. 15:18.733 --> 15:23.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% (audience laughs) and it shows me pictures 15:23.000 --> 15:23.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% of Oranges, 15:23.933 --> 15:24.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% pictures of Orange Julius, 15:24.933 --> 15:26.833 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% orange juice. 15:26.833 --> 15:28.133 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Anyway. 15:28.133 --> 15:29.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Literally can not make it up. 15:29.333 --> 15:30.600 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - No. 15:30.600 --> 15:33.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So now this person calls and tells me 15:33.133 --> 15:34.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% so now we know about this second portrait. 15:34.833 --> 15:36.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% A $10,000 portrait that Trump 15:36.233 --> 15:37.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% had also bought in 2014 15:37.466 --> 15:38.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% with money meant for charity. 15:38.833 --> 15:40.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So from the tip from the Google search 15:40.600 --> 15:41.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I call the charity and confirm it. 15:41.866 --> 15:43.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I get a picture of that new portrait. 15:43.900 --> 15:44.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - That one you can get. 15:44.833 --> 15:46.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - I do have the rights to. 15:46.033 --> 15:48.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I post it online at like 10:00 a.m. one day. 15:48.666 --> 15:51.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So the tax rules say Trump can't just take 15:51.800 --> 15:54.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that picture and hang it on the wall of his house. 15:54.433 --> 15:56.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He can't hang it on the wall of his club. 15:56.800 --> 15:58.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It has to serve some charitable purpose. 15:58.533 --> 15:59.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I ask the Trump people where is it? 15:59.833 --> 16:01.133 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% What's it doing? 16:01.133 --> 16:02.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Is it on the wall of a children's hospital? 16:02.433 --> 16:03.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% What's it doing? 16:03.600 --> 16:04.700 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% No response. 16:04.700 --> 16:05.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So I put this out at 10:00 a.m. 16:05.900 --> 16:09.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And by five o'clock that night, 16:09.233 --> 16:10.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at that point I don't know where it is. 16:10.500 --> 16:11.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It could be burned, 16:11.433 --> 16:12.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It could be buried in a hole. 16:12.700 --> 16:14.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It could be hanging on a wall in Trump Tower. 16:14.066 --> 16:16.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Five o'clock that night I get an email 16:16.233 --> 16:17.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% from somebody who is a Twitter follower 16:17.466 --> 16:18.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% of mine in Atlanta. 16:18.733 --> 16:20.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Stay at home mother Alison Aguilar. 16:20.600 --> 16:23.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% She had gone to the Trip Advisor page 16:23.166 --> 16:24.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% for Trump's golf course at Doral 16:24.933 --> 16:27.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% where you can put in user generated photos 16:27.433 --> 16:29.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% so there's like 500 photos 16:29.333 --> 16:31.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of people's hotel bathrooms, the 18th green. 16:31.866 --> 16:34.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% She's been scanning them 20 at a time 16:34.166 --> 16:35.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and she spots this portrait. 16:35.400 --> 16:36.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - At the golf club. 16:36.766 --> 16:38.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - At the golf club. 16:38.033 --> 16:40.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Okay so now we know from the Trip Advisor picture 16:40.266 --> 16:42.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it was at the golf club in February of 2016. 16:42.500 --> 16:44.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% But where is it now? 16:44.166 --> 16:45.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So at 6:00 I tweet that out. 16:45.866 --> 16:46.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Look we found this picture. 16:46.700 --> 16:48.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% We know where it was. 16:48.133 --> 16:49.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There's a guy named Enrique Acevedo 16:49.666 --> 16:51.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% who is an anchor at Univision. 16:51.166 --> 16:52.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He does the 11:30 to midnight newscast 16:52.700 --> 16:54.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% at Univision whose studios are 16:54.566 --> 16:55.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in Doral, Florida. 16:55.633 --> 16:56.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Close to this club. 16:56.633 --> 16:58.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% He sees my tweet. 16:58.266 --> 17:00.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He remembers that it's four blocks away. 17:00.000 --> 17:01.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He makes a reservation for that night. 17:01.500 --> 17:02.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And he uses points. 17:02.766 --> 17:03.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He doesn't want to give Donald Trump 17:03.966 --> 17:06.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% any of his money but he uses points. 17:08.333 --> 17:10.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So he goes over to the club checks in 17:10.533 --> 17:12.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and starts wandering the halls 17:12.333 --> 17:13.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and convinces the cleaning folks 17:13.666 --> 17:15.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to let him into the sports bar 17:15.166 --> 17:17.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and bang there it is on the wall. 17:17.133 --> 17:18.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So we went from 10:00 a.m. who knows 17:18.933 --> 17:19.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% where in the world it is 17:19.766 --> 17:21.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to 12:30 at night. 17:21.300 --> 17:22.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - This modern world of journalism 17:22.500 --> 17:23.433 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - It's amazing. 17:23.433 --> 17:24.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It would have taken me 10 years 17:24.366 --> 17:25.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to find that thing on my own. 17:25.500 --> 17:27.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Investigative journalism is not dead. 17:27.066 --> 17:28.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Period, paragraph. 17:28.533 --> 17:29.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% You're proving that 17:29.600 --> 17:30.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and you're proving it in a way 17:30.533 --> 17:31.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that combines the modern 17:31.666 --> 17:33.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and the old school, right? 17:33.233 --> 17:34.066 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - I think so. 17:34.066 --> 17:35.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And people enjoyed it. 17:35.300 --> 17:36.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That was the thing that people liked about it. 17:36.166 --> 17:37.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It was a scavenger hunt. 17:37.400 --> 17:39.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There was something tangible to look for. 17:39.166 --> 17:40.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And also it was easier to tell the story 17:40.900 --> 17:42.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of misuse of charity money 17:42.733 --> 17:44.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when you have something like that. 17:44.466 --> 17:46.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Of course it's illegal to buy a portrait 17:46.900 --> 17:48.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of yourself and hang it on the wall. 17:48.133 --> 17:49.400 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% - In the end we all in the media business 17:49.400 --> 17:52.000 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and people are closely following this campaign 17:52.000 --> 17:52.933 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% knew what you were doing, 17:52.933 --> 17:53.766 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% paid attention, 17:53.766 --> 17:55.033 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% admired it. 17:55.033 --> 17:57.466 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% The public did not seem to believe 17:57.466 --> 17:58.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that the Trump Foundation, 17:58.700 --> 18:00.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% whatever it was or was not doing, 18:00.233 --> 18:02.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% was a relevant data point 18:02.066 --> 18:03.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in the outcome of this campaign. 18:03.866 --> 18:05.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well I think you can't assume by the fact 18:05.533 --> 18:07.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that Trump won that people didn't care. 18:07.600 --> 18:09.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think people did care about that. 18:09.666 --> 18:11.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - In the end they didn't care 18:11.100 --> 18:12.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as much about that as other things. 18:12.566 --> 18:14.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Yeah that's right. 18:14.933 --> 18:16.166 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% That's fine. 18:16.166 --> 18:17.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You don't do this to try to beat Trump. 18:17.900 --> 18:18.833 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% You do this - Of course 18:18.833 --> 18:20.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - so people can be informed. 18:20.166 --> 18:22.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think you're dependent always in the media 18:22.700 --> 18:25.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on other media picking stuff like this up, 18:25.166 --> 18:26.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% the candidate, 18:26.100 --> 18:27.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the candidate's surrogates. 18:27.333 --> 18:30.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The Trump Foundation got some kind of lift 18:30.166 --> 18:31.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% from the campaign. 18:31.633 --> 18:32.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% President Obama mentioned it once on the trail. 18:32.966 --> 18:34.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The six foot portrait to mock Trump. 18:34.666 --> 18:36.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I did a lot of TV. 18:36.066 --> 18:37.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There was some pick up on other media 18:37.200 --> 18:38.033 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah 18:39.200 --> 18:40.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - I could only do so much. 18:40.633 --> 18:42.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I can only sort of put it out there so much 18:42.033 --> 18:43.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and if people are interested it'll go on its own. 18:43.566 --> 18:44.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Let me ask you a question. 18:44.500 --> 18:45.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Why didn't you investigate 18:45.600 --> 18:48.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the Clinton Foundation as closely? 18:48.666 --> 18:51.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Because it was another person's job at the Post. 18:51.133 --> 18:51.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - So somebody else did it. 18:51.966 --> 18:53.166 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 18:53.166 --> 18:54.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It's not that you didn't necessarily think 18:54.400 --> 18:56.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% this is a worthy topic of investigation but 18:56.166 --> 18:58.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I had done some Clinton Foundation stuff back in 2015 18:58.366 --> 19:00.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but at that point it had been sort of bifurcated. 19:00.900 --> 19:01.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And also the Clinton Foundation 19:01.900 --> 19:03.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and the Trump Foundation, 19:03.166 --> 19:04.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% my sort of distanced reading of the two, 19:04.766 --> 19:05.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% different situations. 19:05.833 --> 19:07.366 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 19:07.366 --> 19:10.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The Clinton Foundation is a public charity so it's big. 19:10.133 --> 19:12.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's designed to take in money from people 19:12.033 --> 19:12.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% other than the Clintons. 19:12.866 --> 19:13.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It does a lot of things. 19:13.800 --> 19:15.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It employs a lot of people. 19:15.066 --> 19:16.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - No problem knowing where that money went. 19:16.066 --> 19:17.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Right, exactly. 19:17.000 --> 19:17.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It employs a lot of people, 19:17.933 --> 19:19.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% it does direct charitable work. 19:19.233 --> 19:20.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% There it's a question of 19:20.366 --> 19:21.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the moral responsibility of power, right? 19:21.766 --> 19:22.600 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 19:22.600 --> 19:23.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Clinton has power. 19:23.533 --> 19:24.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Did she use that power when 19:24.466 --> 19:25.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% she was Secretary of State 19:25.600 --> 19:26.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in a way that benefited her charity? 19:26.800 --> 19:28.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% For Trump, it's a really small organization, 19:28.333 --> 19:29.266 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% the foundation. 19:29.266 --> 19:30.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It doesn't employ anybody. 19:30.200 --> 19:32.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It's a question of the moral 19:32.100 --> 19:33.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% responsibility of wealth. 19:33.366 --> 19:34.300 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Does Trump feel, 19:34.300 --> 19:35.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the fact that he's wealthy, 19:35.500 --> 19:36.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% does he feel a moral responsibility 19:36.800 --> 19:38.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to help people who are less fortunate than him? 19:38.800 --> 19:40.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And what you see is he actually tried, 19:40.266 --> 19:42.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he knew that people expected he would feel 19:42.666 --> 19:43.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that moral responsibility, 19:43.900 --> 19:45.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but he tried to do as much as he could 19:45.133 --> 19:46.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to sort of shirk it or to have an illusion 19:46.833 --> 19:47.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that he was fulfilling it. 19:47.766 --> 19:49.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Well he talked about it 19:49.000 --> 19:49.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the question is did he actually 19:49.933 --> 19:51.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% back up what he talked about? 19:51.200 --> 19:52.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right even though in the Trump Foundation, 19:52.400 --> 19:53.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he used other people's money to do that, 19:53.633 --> 19:54.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in a way that people thought they were 19:54.700 --> 19:55.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% getting money from Trump. 19:55.633 --> 19:57.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Most years of reporting 19:57.100 --> 19:58.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and on a campaign, 19:58.633 --> 19:59.866 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% you do the Trump Foundation story 19:59.866 --> 20:02.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% which happens over time that's enough. 20:02.366 --> 20:03.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You also broke the Billy Bush 20:03.733 --> 20:05.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Access Hollywood tape story. 20:05.300 --> 20:06.666 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yes 20:06.666 --> 20:07.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - That was your story. 20:07.833 --> 20:08.666 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yes 20:08.666 --> 20:09.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - You wrote that story 20:09.900 --> 20:11.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and on the day you wrote that story 20:11.333 --> 20:13.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that was the most concurrently read 20:13.733 --> 20:15.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% story in the history 20:15.166 --> 20:17.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of the Washington Post website. 20:17.233 --> 20:18.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - The champion story before this 20:18.866 --> 20:20.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% had been a story about a lady in Borundi 20:20.600 --> 20:22.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% who had faked her own death 20:22.066 --> 20:23.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and showed up to scare people at her own funeral. 20:23.566 --> 20:27.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% (audience laughs) It's a pretty good story. 20:27.533 --> 20:29.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So that had been the most total views 20:29.333 --> 20:30.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and the most concurrent views, 20:30.600 --> 20:32.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% meaning the most people reading it at one time. 20:32.133 --> 20:32.966 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 20:32.966 --> 20:34.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - So I should say, 20:34.366 --> 20:35.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the number of people reading a story at one time, 20:35.766 --> 20:37.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we have that on a big chart in the newsroom 20:37.566 --> 20:38.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and 20,000 people reading a story 20:38.866 --> 20:39.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% at one time is huge. 20:39.933 --> 20:40.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Is generally a lot 20:40.766 --> 20:42.200 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 20:42.200 --> 20:42.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - How many people were reading this story at one time 20:42.900 --> 20:43.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Over 100,000. 20:43.600 --> 20:44.300 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - At one time. 20:44.300 --> 20:45.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - At one time. 20:45.600 --> 20:46.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The little dial we have to measure it 20:46.433 --> 20:47.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% was literally spinning 20:47.400 --> 20:49.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and the traffic servers broke 20:49.466 --> 20:51.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because there was so much traffic. 20:51.166 --> 20:52.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - And that was a story 20:52.800 --> 20:55.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that within a very short space 20:55.500 --> 20:57.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of time after you published that story, 20:57.266 --> 20:59.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I think NBC published a version 20:59.600 --> 21:00.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of the same story or the video 21:00.800 --> 21:02.066 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 21:02.066 --> 21:04.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It had been of course in their property prior 21:04.100 --> 21:06.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and they had declined to publish it at that point 21:06.033 --> 21:06.866 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% You published it 21:06.866 --> 21:07.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and then they went ahead 21:07.700 --> 21:09.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and they published it. 21:09.166 --> 21:10.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So it no longer became your story as an exclusive 21:10.400 --> 21:11.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% but you were first. 21:11.233 --> 21:12.233 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - We were first. 21:12.233 --> 21:15.200 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% We got the story about 11:00 a.m. 21:15.200 --> 21:17.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We go the tape about 11:00 a.m. on a Friday. 21:17.700 --> 21:19.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It was not something that I had been looking for. 21:19.400 --> 21:20.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'd been doing this charity stuff. 21:20.666 --> 21:22.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Without asking you to reveal anything, 21:22.200 --> 21:23.033 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% you got a tip. 21:23.033 --> 21:23.966 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right. 21:23.966 --> 21:24.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - That's what happens, right? 21:24.700 --> 21:25.533 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Why you? 21:26.866 --> 21:28.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You were the Trump Foundation guy. 21:28.000 --> 21:29.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - I was much better known then 21:29.500 --> 21:30.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% than I had been before. 21:30.733 --> 21:32.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You don't look a gift horse in the mouth. 21:32.466 --> 21:34.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Speaking of charity, right? 21:34.433 --> 21:36.033 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right. 21:36.033 --> 21:37.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So we knew, the video, 21:38.966 --> 21:42.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% once it came in it was obvious. 21:42.033 --> 21:43.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It's a five minute video. 21:43.300 --> 21:44.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% The first two minutes were Trump 21:44.433 --> 21:45.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and Billy Bush were on the bus. 21:45.633 --> 21:46.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% You can hear them 21:46.466 --> 21:47.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% but you can't see them. 21:47.733 --> 21:49.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That was the part that we cared about. 21:49.966 --> 21:53.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% We had a couple of questions right off the bat. 21:55.500 --> 21:56.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% At 11:00 a.m. we get it. 21:56.466 --> 21:57.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Our video people tell me, 21:57.433 --> 21:58.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% look we're gonna cut this 21:58.433 --> 21:59.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and make it into a video. 21:59.400 --> 22:00.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% We're going to subtitle it 22:00.400 --> 22:01.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% so you tell what they're saying. 22:01.400 --> 22:02.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% We need til 3:30. 22:02.566 --> 22:03.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% 3:30 in the afternoon. 22:03.800 --> 22:05.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That's the soonest we could have it done. 22:05.100 --> 22:06.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So that's the time frame we had. 22:06.066 --> 22:07.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So we had to call NBC to see 22:07.500 --> 22:08.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% if they were gonna sue us 22:08.900 --> 22:10.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% because it was their video. 22:10.600 --> 22:11.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Or if they were gonna say it was a hoax. 22:11.900 --> 22:13.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And then we went to Trump to see 22:13.133 --> 22:14.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% is he gonna say it's a hoax 22:14.900 --> 22:16.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because as I said you can hear them 22:16.633 --> 22:17.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% you can't see them. 22:17.800 --> 22:19.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You can't see Trump's mouth moving 22:19.033 --> 22:22.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% so will they say oh that's not really him. 22:22.333 --> 22:25.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We sent the Trump people first a transcript 22:25.000 --> 22:28.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of the offending part of the video 22:28.033 --> 22:30.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and the said well it doesn't sound like Mr. Trump. 22:30.900 --> 22:32.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Can you send us the full video. 22:32.833 --> 22:34.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There was some debate among the editors 22:34.166 --> 22:35.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and they decided yes send them the video. 22:35.500 --> 22:37.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% That was a little after 3:30 22:37.666 --> 22:40.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and we were gonna publish it at four. 22:40.200 --> 22:42.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% At four o'clock as someone's walking over, 22:42.866 --> 22:44.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% this is how lame the stop the presses 22:44.633 --> 22:46.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% moments are in digital journalism. 22:46.800 --> 22:47.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% There's no presses, 22:47.733 --> 22:48.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% there's no big button to hit. 22:48.700 --> 22:50.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There's someone walking over 22:50.200 --> 22:51.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to her desk to hit the button to publish it 22:51.600 --> 22:53.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and the Trump people called 22:53.100 --> 22:54.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% so I told her to stop. 22:54.933 --> 22:57.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They said we're gonna send you a statement. 22:57.166 --> 22:58.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Basically it's him. 22:58.400 --> 22:59.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He said that it's just locker room talk, 22:59.933 --> 23:01.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you remember he said I apologize. 23:01.266 --> 23:02.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Yeah right, right. 23:02.433 --> 23:03.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I apologize if anybody was offended. 23:03.233 --> 23:04.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Which surprised me. 23:04.100 --> 23:05.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I had had so little luck 23:05.200 --> 23:06.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% from the Trump Campaign 23:06.033 --> 23:07.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% responding to anything 23:07.300 --> 23:08.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that I had asked them about the foundation. 23:08.733 --> 23:09.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was surprised they would admit to this. 23:09.966 --> 23:11.066 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% But they did. 23:11.066 --> 23:12.833 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - It's just stunning to me 23:12.833 --> 23:14.433 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that they didn't try to delay 23:14.433 --> 23:16.466 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% or just not answer in the way 23:16.466 --> 23:18.466 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% that they had prior. 23:18.466 --> 23:20.166 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% They could have basically anything 23:20.166 --> 23:21.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to keep you from publishing. 23:21.566 --> 23:23.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Would you have published if he hadn't responded? 23:23.533 --> 23:24.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Obviously you were about to. 23:24.466 --> 23:25.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - We were about to. 23:25.300 --> 23:26.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - You were about to. 23:26.233 --> 23:27.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It didn't make a difference. 23:27.166 --> 23:28.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - No That was not my call 23:28.433 --> 23:29.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but the lawyers and editors had decided 23:29.633 --> 23:30.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that we had done everything we could 23:30.566 --> 23:31.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to make sure they knew about it 23:31.800 --> 23:32.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and given them a chance to respond 23:32.500 --> 23:33.333 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% and they hadn't. 23:33.333 --> 23:34.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Again I'll observe. 23:34.733 --> 23:36.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Among the many things that were different 23:36.166 --> 23:37.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% about this campaign than 23:37.266 --> 23:38.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% any previous campaign in our lives 23:38.633 --> 23:39.966 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% and we may never have this again. 23:39.966 --> 23:41.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% This kind of a story hits, 23:41.833 --> 23:43.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% it changes temporarily, 23:43.866 --> 23:45.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the trajectory of the campaign. 23:45.200 --> 23:46.300 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - It does. 23:46.300 --> 23:47.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And then ultimately it does not 23:47.166 --> 23:48.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% change the outcome. 23:48.833 --> 23:50.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - And at the time I had thought 23:50.900 --> 23:52.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that its legacy would be, 23:54.433 --> 23:56.466 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Trump had gotten away with so much 23:56.466 --> 23:57.433 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% that he'd done before 23:57.433 --> 23:58.400 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% because it was so public. 23:58.400 --> 23:59.366 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% All the Howard Stern stuff. 23:59.366 --> 24:00.500 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Imagine if Mitt Romney had said 24:00.500 --> 24:01.866 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% one-tenth the stuff 24:01.866 --> 24:03.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that Trump had said on Howard Stern. 24:03.066 --> 24:04.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We would have tarred and feathered him right? 24:04.233 --> 24:05.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But now Trump says it in public, 24:05.800 --> 24:06.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% he's playing this character, 24:06.800 --> 24:07.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% it seems like it's okay. 24:07.733 --> 24:08.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Well this was private, right 24:08.666 --> 24:09.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and it was not just talk. 24:09.500 --> 24:10.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It was him describing, 24:10.400 --> 24:11.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% this is how I act, 24:11.800 --> 24:14.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% this is what I do to women. 24:14.266 --> 24:15.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Then it set off this sort of 24:15.800 --> 24:17.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% inter-Republican fighting. 24:17.166 --> 24:18.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I thought that was going to be the legacy. 24:18.566 --> 24:19.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Remember Paul Ryan pulled back 24:19.833 --> 24:21.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and Trump attacked him. 24:21.033 --> 24:21.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well people said Mike Pence may 24:21.966 --> 24:22.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% drop off the ticket right? 24:22.900 --> 24:23.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Ultimately it didn't happen. 24:23.833 --> 24:26.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - At some point in October, 24:26.566 --> 24:30.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% after that but before the Comey letter. 24:30.500 --> 24:31.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% When it seemed like this was the biggest thing 24:31.833 --> 24:33.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that had happened on the campaign. 24:33.366 --> 24:36.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was interviewed by this German journalist 24:36.066 --> 24:37.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% who at the time wanted 24:37.166 --> 24:38.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to find out about this story. 24:38.600 --> 24:40.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He asked me in this very German way, 24:40.500 --> 24:43.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% do you think that this is the peak of your life? 24:43.166 --> 24:47.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% (audience laughs) It will never get any better? 24:47.600 --> 24:49.000 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% I was like fine. 24:49.000 --> 24:51.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% That's better than writing about Jim Gilmore. 24:51.900 --> 24:53.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% But the Comey letter. 24:53.533 --> 24:55.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You have a lot of factors here. 24:55.233 --> 24:57.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I've heard people say the Comey letter was, 24:57.166 --> 24:58.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I heard Nate Silver the Comey letter 24:58.600 --> 24:59.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% swung the race in a way. 24:59.633 --> 25:01.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And that's not fake news. 25:01.766 --> 25:02.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - We're never gonna know 25:02.666 --> 25:03.500 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right. 25:03.500 --> 25:04.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - We're never gonna know 25:04.333 --> 25:05.166 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Right 25:05.166 --> 25:06.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - We're out of time. 25:06.100 --> 25:07.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Was this the peak of your life? 25:07.500 --> 25:08.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I should ask you the (audience laughs) same question. 25:08.700 --> 25:09.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm afraid that the German reporter 25:09.733 --> 25:11.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% took my last question. 25:11.933 --> 25:14.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's a good time to be doing this work. 25:14.200 --> 25:15.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It's a great time to be doing this work. 25:15.300 --> 25:17.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% We're now entering this era 25:17.533 --> 25:19.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% where I couldn't tell you what's gonna happen. 25:19.533 --> 25:20.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It's completely uncertain 25:20.766 --> 25:23.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but it's a great time in American journalism. 25:23.566 --> 25:25.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I feel like I understand how to cover Trump. 25:25.233 --> 25:26.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% A lot of other people do. 25:26.133 --> 25:27.600 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah 25:27.600 --> 25:28.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - There's a lot of people doing great work now. 25:28.533 --> 25:29.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I don't know what's coming next 25:29.766 --> 25:31.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but I know that we at least are prepared. 25:31.000 --> 25:31.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Are you still on the Trump beat? 25:31.566 --> 25:32.833 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yes 25:32.833 --> 25:33.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And you'll stay on the Trump beat? 25:33.500 --> 25:34.700 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Of course. 25:34.700 --> 25:36.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - On behalf of America thank you. 25:36.033 --> 25:37.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - David Fahrenthold thank you very much 25:37.200 --> 25:39.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% 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