WEBVTT 00:01.466 --> 00:02.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% [Announcer] Funding for Overheard with Evan Smith 00:02.833 --> 00:05.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is provided in part by Hillco Partners, 00:05.466 --> 00:08.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% A Texas Government Affairs Consultancy. 00:08.266 --> 00:10.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And by Claire and Carl Stuart. 00:12.866 --> 00:14.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I'm Evan Smith, he's a critically acclaimed 00:14.500 --> 00:17.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% academy award nominated director and screenwriter 00:17.333 --> 00:20.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who's credits include Boyhood, Dazed and Confused, 00:20.566 --> 00:22.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Bernie, and Slacker. 00:22.333 --> 00:24.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% His latest film is Last Flag Flying, 00:24.933 --> 00:27.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he's Richard Linklater, this is Overheard. 00:27.500 --> 00:29.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% (soft music) (audience applause) 00:29.033 --> 00:31.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Let's be honest, is this about the ability to learn 00:31.400 --> 00:33.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or is this about the experience 00:33.100 --> 00:34.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of not having been taught properly? 00:34.966 --> 00:36.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% How have you avoided what has befallen 00:36.933 --> 00:38.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% other nations in Africa-- 00:38.433 --> 00:40.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You could say that he'd made his own bed, 00:40.733 --> 00:42.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but you caused him to sleep in it. 00:42.233 --> 00:45.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You saw a problem and over time took it on and-- 00:45.366 --> 00:48.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Let's start with the sizzle before we get to the steak. 00:48.333 --> 00:49.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Are you gonna run for president? 00:49.833 --> 00:52.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think I just got an F from you, actually. 00:52.366 --> 00:53.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% This is Overheard. 00:53.466 --> 00:56.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience applause) 00:58.033 --> 00:59.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Richard Linklater, welcome. 00:59.600 --> 01:01.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Thanks for having me. 01:01.166 --> 01:02.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Good to see you, welcome back to another episode 01:02.400 --> 01:04.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of the Richard Linklater fanboy half hour. 01:04.800 --> 01:06.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Yeah, okay. 01:06.100 --> 01:07.566 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% (laughing) 01:07.566 --> 01:08.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - This is a great film. 01:08.833 --> 01:10.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Oh thank you. 01:10.100 --> 01:11.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Please take this the way that I intend it, 01:11.366 --> 01:13.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I keep waiting for you to shank one. 01:13.100 --> 01:14.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I keep thinking at some point, 01:14.500 --> 01:16.366 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% he'll make a movie that doesn't work. 01:16.366 --> 01:18.333 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Do you feel as good, I mean I loved this movie, 01:18.333 --> 01:20.700 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% from your perspective do you think this movie worked 01:20.700 --> 01:22.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% as you wanted it to? 01:22.033 --> 01:22.833 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 01:22.833 --> 01:24.066 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Yeah absolutely. 01:24.066 --> 01:25.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Does it always turn out that way? 01:25.700 --> 01:26.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Kind of. 01:26.600 --> 01:27.433 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah? 01:27.433 --> 01:28.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughter) 01:28.600 --> 01:29.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Okay, good night everybody, thank you. 01:29.400 --> 01:30.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughter) 01:30.866 --> 01:32.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You're always dealing with a lot of things 01:32.833 --> 01:34.166 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% you can't totally control, 01:34.166 --> 01:37.266 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% but to my, from my perspective, if I just, you know, 01:37.266 --> 01:38.500 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% you do your best you work really hard, 01:38.500 --> 01:41.533 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% try to make everything work and collaborate 01:41.533 --> 01:45.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and yeah I haven't done a movie where I like, 01:45.266 --> 01:47.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there was some fundamental flaw that to me 01:47.133 --> 01:49.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% made the movie not work. 01:49.666 --> 01:51.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean people have ones they don't like 01:51.933 --> 01:53.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or maybe characters don't speak to them. 01:53.866 --> 01:55.133 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Or like less. 01:55.133 --> 01:57.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Or whatever, but I always feel like-- 01:57.833 --> 02:00.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Generally, and so this one, 02:00.300 --> 02:02.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% so this is, I have a theory, we've discussed this before. 02:02.300 --> 02:05.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That you're always in a one for me one for them 02:05.066 --> 02:07.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% one for me one for them mode with your films. 02:07.566 --> 02:08.766 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% I know you don't agree with this. 02:08.766 --> 02:10.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I look at a movie like this and I think 02:10.200 --> 02:11.133 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% - At all. - This is a big 02:11.133 --> 02:12.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% consumer facing film. 02:12.733 --> 02:14.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You have made big films and small films, 02:14.466 --> 02:15.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you've made films that were more for 02:15.933 --> 02:19.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a film lover audience and more for a general consumption. 02:19.266 --> 02:20.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I looked at this and I thought 02:20.600 --> 02:22.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% this is a general consumption film. 02:22.800 --> 02:25.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think it could be, but it has kind of 02:25.933 --> 02:28.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I don't know, it feels like just the next film. 02:28.433 --> 02:30.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's another film I tried ten years to get made 02:30.933 --> 02:32.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I wrote the script so long ago. 02:32.466 --> 02:34.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - That's the story you tried ten years to make this film? 02:34.466 --> 02:37.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah this was, I had a script in '05, '06, 02:37.366 --> 02:39.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because it deals with the Iraq war. 02:39.666 --> 02:43.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think the world, my industry and the world in general 02:43.200 --> 02:46.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% didn't want to see that subject matter. 02:46.166 --> 02:50.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Hopefully they're ready to examine that now a little more. 02:50.200 --> 02:52.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But yeah it was a long way. 02:52.266 --> 02:53.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But in part this film is based on, 02:53.766 --> 02:56.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is it not based on the novel by Darryl Ponsican? 02:56.733 --> 02:58.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Yeah, yeah, Darryl Ponicsan. 02:58.966 --> 03:00.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Ponicsan, pardon me, Ponicsan. 03:00.633 --> 03:02.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, he wrote a book in 1970 called 03:02.566 --> 03:04.033 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% The Last Detail. 03:04.033 --> 03:05.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Right, which then became a Jack Nicholson film. 03:05.266 --> 03:08.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right, and then this book is many years later 03:08.500 --> 03:12.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he kind of reactivated those three characters 03:12.300 --> 03:13.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and wrote this book. 03:13.933 --> 03:15.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It was never gonna be a sequel, 03:15.566 --> 03:17.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know the movie, because we couldn't get those guys, 03:17.733 --> 03:19.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Otis Young had died, you know things like that. 03:19.800 --> 03:22.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But together we adapted it kind of 03:22.533 --> 03:25.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% away from them specifically, add a Vietnam backstory, 03:25.633 --> 03:27.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% so it's really a-- 03:27.500 --> 03:28.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It doesn't play as a sequel to anything 03:28.933 --> 03:30.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it plays as a movie that stands on its own. 03:30.900 --> 03:33.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, right, but that's kind of it's DNA. 03:33.133 --> 03:34.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I mean, if you know that film, 03:34.600 --> 03:37.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% film people know that film but I think the general public 03:37.966 --> 03:39.466 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% not so much. 03:39.466 --> 03:41.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So let's do the story, so the story is three guys 03:41.033 --> 03:42.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% who served together in Vietnam, 03:42.233 --> 03:43.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the catalyst for this is Steve Carell 03:43.766 --> 03:46.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who's character goes and finds the other two. 03:46.633 --> 03:50.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Looks them up literally the stranger walking into a bar. 03:50.866 --> 03:52.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And the bar owner happens to be one of the two. 03:52.466 --> 03:55.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - His old buddy, who once he realizes who he is 03:55.133 --> 03:56.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% is like oh, you know. 03:56.600 --> 03:58.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Evan] He remembers Doc. 03:58.133 --> 03:59.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - He was Doc, the younger guy, he was a Navy guy. 03:59.666 --> 04:02.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% They were two Marines and then they go look up Mueller 04:02.333 --> 04:03.833 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% the third guy. 04:03.833 --> 04:05.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Right, so the bar owner is played by Bryan Cranston 04:05.266 --> 04:07.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and then the third guy, Mueller, who is now a preacher 04:07.533 --> 04:10.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but he was kind of a wild guy back in the day 04:10.000 --> 04:11.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% is played by Laurence Fishburne. 04:11.433 --> 04:12.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, could you get farther apart 04:12.433 --> 04:14.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% than a bar owner and a preacher. 04:14.566 --> 04:16.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But they were hellraisers back in the day 04:16.666 --> 04:18.600 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% and they all went through something, obviously, in Vietnam. 04:18.600 --> 04:21.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So the Vietnam story itself turns out to be 04:21.300 --> 04:23.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a little bit more complicated than what it at first 04:23.433 --> 04:25.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% appears to be and Steve Carell has come to see them 04:25.966 --> 04:30.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% because his own child, Larry Jr. has gone to Iraq, 04:30.300 --> 04:31.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% this is set in 2003. 04:31.900 --> 04:33.366 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% - Yeah the first year of the war. 04:33.366 --> 04:34.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - First year of the war, and he's killed in the war, 04:34.633 --> 04:36.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and he's gonna, and the body of his son 04:36.166 --> 04:38.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is gonna come back and Steve Carell wants these two 04:38.200 --> 04:42.466 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% Vietnam mates of his to accompany him to receive the body. 04:42.466 --> 04:44.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And he doesn't tell them that up front, 04:44.100 --> 04:45.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know he's there under mysterious, 04:45.500 --> 04:48.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it takes him a while to even admit that. 04:48.266 --> 04:49.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But he doesn't even know, probably, 04:49.666 --> 04:51.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% why he's looked these guys up. 04:51.733 --> 04:53.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right, so their story together turns out to be 04:53.433 --> 04:55.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a little bit different than what you see. 04:55.166 --> 04:56.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And it turns out that the circumstances, 04:56.633 --> 04:59.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% without going into it, the circumstances of the son's death 04:59.366 --> 05:01.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are also not as they appear to be. 05:01.666 --> 05:05.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah, yeah, they've been told, not the full story 05:05.133 --> 05:06.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% not the full truth. 05:06.533 --> 05:08.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% As war has a way of doing that, doesn't it? 05:08.666 --> 05:11.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Not only during, but before, you know 05:11.200 --> 05:13.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in the run up to war, we're not told. 05:13.566 --> 05:15.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Think about the Iraq war as a great example of that, 05:15.733 --> 05:18.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% right, all the reporting on the Iraq war, 05:18.000 --> 05:19.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% messages from people in political office 05:19.566 --> 05:20.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% about what we were doing. 05:20.733 --> 05:22.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - All suspect, yeah, yeah. 05:22.366 --> 05:24.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And you know, Vietnam too I guess. 05:24.966 --> 05:27.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% If you, you know, Gulf of Tonkin, 05:27.000 --> 05:28.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know there's a lot of misinformation out there. 05:28.800 --> 05:32.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - This subject interested you specifically why? 05:32.666 --> 05:34.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I love these three characters but I think 05:34.233 --> 05:36.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I grew up during the Vietnam era, you know, 05:36.300 --> 05:39.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% every night on TV, you know, this many soldiers died. 05:39.366 --> 05:42.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You know it's always just the backdrop of my whole life 05:42.000 --> 05:44.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% up to the time I was about 14. 05:45.933 --> 05:48.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Watching the run up to the Iraq war was really painful, 05:48.966 --> 05:52.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know, I mean I remember reading all the same reporting 05:52.200 --> 05:55.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and go this doesn't make any sense logically, 05:55.700 --> 05:57.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% we know even their neighbors aren't afraid of them. 05:57.966 --> 06:00.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But if this is true then maybe there is a problem. 06:00.666 --> 06:03.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It was just such, and just to find out it was just 06:03.366 --> 06:06.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% all misinformation and then you look at the cost. 06:06.666 --> 06:11.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Look at every time I see a vet walking on a prosthetic leg 06:11.266 --> 06:13.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or has their arm, it just kind of, 06:13.566 --> 06:15.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I get a little angry, you know? 06:15.000 --> 06:17.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I just think that was a very avoidable war. 06:17.200 --> 06:19.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And I think the culture kind of 06:19.200 --> 06:21.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% came around to that eventually. 06:21.300 --> 06:24.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But in the leadup, that's what was so frustrating. 06:24.100 --> 06:25.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% To me personally, it was like, 06:25.633 --> 06:28.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% oh if you're not, the way the dialogue gets kind of hijacked 06:28.966 --> 06:31.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% by you know, warmonger mentality. 06:33.733 --> 06:36.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's like if you weren't for the war, you were unpatriotic. 06:36.866 --> 06:38.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Instead of like, can we just look at this 06:38.400 --> 06:41.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and like analyze it, do we have our best people on this? 06:41.466 --> 06:42.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Is this war really necessary? 06:42.966 --> 06:44.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Well one of the things about this film honestly, 06:44.433 --> 06:47.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the timing of it is that we're in a national 06:47.233 --> 06:49.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% conversation about what is and is not 06:49.433 --> 06:51.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% patriotism at the moment, right? 06:51.200 --> 06:54.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And so the timing of this film against that backdrop 06:54.100 --> 06:56.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% is kind of uncanny. 06:56.366 --> 06:57.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, we've seen this, it bubbles up 06:57.900 --> 06:59.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% fairly regularly, you know. 06:59.466 --> 07:03.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Who owns the flag, what is patriotism. 07:03.233 --> 07:04.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know it's usually it's a good way 07:04.900 --> 07:08.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to shut down protests, is to question their 07:08.266 --> 07:11.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know, their patriotism or just you know. 07:11.133 --> 07:12.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - But even the flag is a symbol. 07:12.366 --> 07:14.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I've heard you tell the story of as a kid 07:14.666 --> 07:17.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% being chosen to be the one to raise the flag at school. 07:17.466 --> 07:19.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And having to learn about all the procedures. 07:19.700 --> 07:20.633 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Talk about that. 07:20.633 --> 07:22.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Yeah, I was very proud there. 07:22.233 --> 07:23.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'd get to get out of class a little early 07:23.633 --> 07:25.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and you know, take it down. 07:25.033 --> 07:26.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I had to get there early and put it up 07:26.566 --> 07:28.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and if it started to rain I could jump out of class 07:28.633 --> 07:30.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because the flag couldn't get wet. 07:30.333 --> 07:31.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And now you're driving down the highway, 07:31.633 --> 07:34.100 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% there's these huge flags just in the rain. 07:34.100 --> 07:35.366 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% - [Evan] Car dealers, you're right. 07:35.366 --> 07:36.833 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% - You know, no one cares about that. 07:36.833 --> 07:38.466 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% But way back then, what days to fly it at half mast, 07:38.466 --> 07:39.966 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% when J Edgar Hoover died, 07:39.966 --> 07:42.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know maybe we should fly it at half mast. 07:42.366 --> 07:43.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right, but there was also a period of time 07:43.833 --> 07:45.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% where the flag was treated as this sacred symbol 07:45.666 --> 07:47.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and then all of a sudden it became running shorts. 07:47.866 --> 07:52.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah, by the early 70s, yeah, shoes and you know, 07:52.133 --> 07:54.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you could kind of wear the flag that was kind of cool. 07:54.233 --> 07:56.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% But ironic I guess, but. 07:56.733 --> 07:58.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - We now seem to be back in a place 07:58.166 --> 08:00.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% where the flag as symbol, people are actually 08:00.633 --> 08:02.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% objecting to the more casual use of it 08:02.333 --> 08:03.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and so we're back to that. 08:03.866 --> 08:05.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah we're back to kind of that blind patriotic-- 08:05.666 --> 08:06.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - To an earlier time. 08:06.900 --> 08:08.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The other thing about this film I must say 08:08.100 --> 08:09.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that I thought sitting there watching it, 08:09.766 --> 08:12.733 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% uncanny timing was this movie is coming 08:12.733 --> 08:14.800 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% and you couldn't have known this. 08:14.800 --> 08:16.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% You had the four service members in Niger 08:16.933 --> 08:18.733 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% who were killed, and the conversation around 08:18.733 --> 08:21.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% specifically this brave young man who was killed, 08:21.533 --> 08:26.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% La David Johnson and his body or the conversation 08:26.266 --> 08:28.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I should say about his death between the president 08:28.433 --> 08:30.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and his widow, with the congresswoman in the car 08:30.333 --> 08:31.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and then subsequently the chief of staff 08:31.866 --> 08:35.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% talking about, I mean that is really, 08:35.000 --> 08:37.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% basically, this movie. 08:37.133 --> 08:38.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - I know, we were making a movie 08:38.066 --> 08:39.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that we thought was showing you 08:39.466 --> 08:40.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% what they don't want you to see 08:40.733 --> 08:43.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or really think about, the behind the scenes. 08:43.366 --> 08:45.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Well yeah there's a death over there 08:45.300 --> 08:48.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there's a body transported, the family greets it, 08:48.266 --> 08:50.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's a burial, it's all that stuff. 08:50.100 --> 08:51.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And there are questions about what happened. 08:51.433 --> 08:52.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Yeah, same thing. 08:52.833 --> 08:55.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Can you see the body? No, you can't. 08:55.000 --> 08:56.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The poor widow's going, I don't even 08:56.866 --> 08:59.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% know if that's him in there. 08:59.800 --> 09:01.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - And then it turns out you say, 09:01.100 --> 09:02.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% no in fact, if you want to see it, 09:02.066 --> 09:03.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% we advise you not to see it, 09:03.600 --> 09:05.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% but you can see it. 09:05.033 --> 09:07.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And in this movie indeed, same thing happens. 09:07.066 --> 09:09.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, same mysterious death under, 09:09.433 --> 09:12.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know they're saying it's one thing 09:12.100 --> 09:13.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% it's something else. 09:15.066 --> 09:16.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - I mean it was eerie. 09:16.200 --> 09:17.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It's PR spin. - Considering the news. 09:17.433 --> 09:18.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, like I said, we thought it was 09:18.666 --> 09:21.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% behind the scenes and here the General Kelly's 09:21.800 --> 09:24.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% kind of walking you through the Dover Air Force base. 09:24.700 --> 09:27.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% That whole experience, yeah it's 09:32.233 --> 09:33.433 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% it's creepy. 09:33.433 --> 09:34.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - How much of what we saw in the, 09:34.633 --> 09:36.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% so there is a section of this film 09:36.933 --> 09:39.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% where they go finally to retrieve the body. 09:39.933 --> 09:41.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So the portion that we saw, 09:41.933 --> 09:45.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the official you know, go see the coffin 09:45.700 --> 09:47.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and all that sort of stuff. 09:47.133 --> 09:49.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% How much is that literally, did you research that 09:49.866 --> 09:50.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% so that it's like mirror-- 09:50.800 --> 09:52.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Yeah, we had military advisors 09:52.033 --> 09:53.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we had guys who had been on those kind of 09:53.666 --> 09:56.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% mortuary escort details and you just try to get 09:56.733 --> 09:59.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% all that right, and you know, me 09:59.000 --> 10:00.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because I don't have a military background, 10:00.533 --> 10:03.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean my dad was in the Navy, Korean war, 10:03.966 --> 10:06.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but he didn't talk about it that much. 10:06.300 --> 10:10.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I was the era they had just quit the draft so 10:10.333 --> 10:13.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% guys my age we were like, war was in the rear view mirror. 10:13.400 --> 10:15.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And it wasn't really a thing. 10:17.466 --> 10:19.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We were just kind of free from that. 10:19.533 --> 10:21.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I wondered about that as I thought about this film. 10:21.200 --> 10:22.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You said your dad was in the Navy. 10:22.966 --> 10:25.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Everybody's dad had a hitch in the military. 10:25.333 --> 10:26.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Steve Carell's dad was in World War II 10:26.733 --> 10:27.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% was he not, right? 10:27.733 --> 10:29.233 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 10:29.233 --> 10:31.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And Laurence Fishburne, well he made Apocalypse Now. 10:31.100 --> 10:33.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, he's in a lot of military movies. 10:33.700 --> 10:35.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - In some ways, it's the most authentic. 10:35.966 --> 10:37.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Laurence even says, I served. 10:37.166 --> 10:40.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I wasn't in the military but I kind of was. 10:42.166 --> 10:44.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - A lot of people today don't have the experience 10:44.766 --> 10:47.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of having a connection to the military. 10:47.200 --> 10:48.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I come back to John Kelly again 10:48.733 --> 10:50.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the briefing room on that day when he did that 10:50.600 --> 10:52.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and he said I'm only gonna call on people who know somebody 10:52.666 --> 10:54.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or have a connection to the military and it really, 10:54.233 --> 10:56.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% this generation of people there are not that many 10:56.300 --> 10:57.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% with a connection. 10:57.833 --> 11:01.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Big disconnect, you know, post doing away with the draft 11:01.400 --> 11:03.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% big disconnect between, yeah. 11:05.600 --> 11:09.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's like there's a class, like a warrior class has emerged. 11:09.000 --> 11:10.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I want to talk about the people in the film. 11:10.533 --> 11:12.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So you've not worked with Carell before. 11:12.166 --> 11:13.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - No, none of these guys. 11:13.400 --> 11:14.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Not worked with Bryan Cranston, 11:14.766 --> 11:15.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% not worked with Fishburne, although you're 11:15.966 --> 11:17.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% making another film with Fishburne? 11:17.500 --> 11:19.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - He's in my latest film, I shot a film this summer 11:19.000 --> 11:22.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that he has a part in, yeah. - That will be out next year. 11:22.666 --> 11:25.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think of Carell as a particular personality 11:25.066 --> 11:27.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% mostly from The Office but from the persona 11:27.500 --> 11:28.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that he's developed. 11:28.733 --> 11:30.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think of Fishburne in a certain way, 11:30.900 --> 11:32.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and I think of Bryan Cranston in a certain way. 11:32.666 --> 11:35.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I felt like each was playing against type weirdly 11:35.000 --> 11:35.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% in this film. 11:35.933 --> 11:37.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Something a little different. 11:37.400 --> 11:40.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Like Bryan Cranston is kind of the coarse wild guy. 11:40.100 --> 11:41.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Yeah, he's insane. 11:41.133 --> 11:42.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughter) 11:42.733 --> 11:44.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Is not Walter White, he's not 11:44.833 --> 11:46.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the Bryan Cranston we've seen 11:46.466 --> 11:47.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I think same with the other guys. 11:47.766 --> 11:48.733 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - He's so funny. 11:48.733 --> 11:49.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Bryan's really hilarious. 11:49.566 --> 11:51.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - God, he's rally funny. 11:51.066 --> 11:53.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - If I were to ask you which of my cast members did stand up 11:53.666 --> 11:56.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the 80s, you would probably say Carell, right? 11:56.833 --> 11:58.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% He's the funny guy. 11:58.066 --> 11:59.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Not true, Carell never did stand up. 11:59.933 --> 12:00.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Evan] It was Cranston? 12:00.800 --> 12:01.800 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - Cranston. 12:01.800 --> 12:04.133 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% When he was just beginning he had 12:04.133 --> 12:06.233 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% he did stand up. 12:06.233 --> 12:07.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well he was genuinely funny in this movie 12:07.700 --> 12:09.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and I think the three of them separately and together 12:09.833 --> 12:11.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% worked extremely well. 12:11.100 --> 12:13.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah and they really really respected 12:13.000 --> 12:14.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and loved one another. 12:14.233 --> 12:16.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Each one when I was in the run up to the movie 12:16.500 --> 12:18.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% they were like, they really were looking forward 12:18.566 --> 12:19.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to working with the other two. 12:19.933 --> 12:21.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Lot of respect there. 12:21.066 --> 12:22.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Evan] And the respect that they shared 12:22.000 --> 12:23.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% was evident I think in this. 12:23.533 --> 12:25.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - They really bonded, which was important for the movie. 12:25.300 --> 12:27.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - The kid who is in the film who was serving 12:27.266 --> 12:30.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in the Iraq war with the son. 12:30.166 --> 12:31.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Quinton Johnson. 12:31.600 --> 12:33.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - His name is Quinton Johnson, who served with the son 12:33.033 --> 12:36.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of Steve Carell, the character who was killed. 12:36.566 --> 12:37.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Wasn't everybody-- 12:37.733 --> 12:38.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, I have worked with him before. 12:38.933 --> 12:41.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - He was, and boy he was also just terrific. 12:41.900 --> 12:43.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - He's a wonderful actor, you know, 12:43.366 --> 12:47.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% he's starring on Broadway right now in Hamilton. 12:47.066 --> 12:48.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Evan] I did not know that, is that right, seriously? 12:48.566 --> 12:49.866 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - He's big time. 12:49.866 --> 12:54.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He was at University of Texas Theater, you know. 12:54.066 --> 12:55.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Musical Theater Major. 12:55.100 --> 12:56.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - UT Austin, kid made good. 12:56.933 --> 12:58.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah, he was the McConaughey out of that one. 12:58.933 --> 13:02.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But I thought his, he was memorable though 13:02.066 --> 13:03.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in your last film and he's certainly memorable in this. 13:03.700 --> 13:06.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The two others I wanted to just note. 13:06.633 --> 13:08.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Cicely Tyson is in this movie. 13:08.300 --> 13:10.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Yeah, 92 year old Cicely. 13:10.766 --> 13:14.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And it's one scene, Ms. Tyson's in this one scene, 13:14.233 --> 13:17.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it's a pivotal scene in terms of the narrative of the film 13:17.100 --> 13:19.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but I kept sitting there watching it going, 13:19.000 --> 13:22.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that's not actually Cicely Tyson. 13:22.066 --> 13:23.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So how did that happen? 13:23.433 --> 13:25.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Did you go looking for her? 13:25.100 --> 13:26.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well ultimately yeah, I was just kind of, 13:26.933 --> 13:29.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it's a funny story, how does someone end up in your movie. 13:29.533 --> 13:32.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I was just, it wasn't really written for an African American 13:32.400 --> 13:35.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% woman but I was kind of day dreaming the movie 13:35.000 --> 13:37.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I was just kind of, we were starting to rehearse 13:37.433 --> 13:39.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that part wasn't for a long time 13:39.400 --> 13:43.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but it was time to you know, start thinking about casting 13:43.066 --> 13:44.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I was just imagining the scene 13:44.733 --> 13:46.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the door opens and the door opened 13:46.233 --> 13:48.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and it was Cicely Tyson's face. 13:48.033 --> 13:49.566 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - In your head? 13:49.566 --> 13:52.600 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% - Yeah, and I said oh something's telling me something. 13:52.600 --> 13:55.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I said oh wow, so I talked to Laurence 13:55.433 --> 13:57.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because he had worked with her a couple times 13:57.100 --> 13:59.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and he said oh just go, you know, look her up. 13:59.500 --> 14:00.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Evan] Just ask, right. 14:00.400 --> 14:01.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - I'm like, really? 14:01.466 --> 14:03.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You can just, yeah it's like. 14:03.900 --> 14:05.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You know ninety-whatever year. 14:05.466 --> 14:06.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They don't get a lot of offers, but-- 14:06.700 --> 14:08.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughter) 14:08.766 --> 14:11.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I thought she might want to work with the people, 14:11.166 --> 14:12.400 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% you never know. 14:12.400 --> 14:13.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I kind of floated the script to her 14:13.866 --> 14:16.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and sure enough, I went and had breakfast with her. 14:16.166 --> 14:17.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And she was good with it, yeah? 14:17.500 --> 14:18.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Yeah, yeah, she's great. 14:18.766 --> 14:19.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Had she been familiar with your, 14:19.933 --> 14:21.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I bet she's a big Dazed and Confused fan. 14:21.400 --> 14:23.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, big Dazed and Confused fan. 14:23.000 --> 14:25.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughter) 14:25.766 --> 14:27.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% No she was really really sweet 14:27.866 --> 14:29.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and really with it. 14:29.733 --> 14:30.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You proved the point though that 14:30.933 --> 14:32.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you get nothing in this life without asking. 14:32.566 --> 14:34.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know one day, it pops into your head 14:34.066 --> 14:35.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I want Cicely Tyson in the doorway. 14:35.300 --> 14:36.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think earlier I would have thought 14:36.433 --> 14:37.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that wasn't an option but it's like, 14:37.366 --> 14:39.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% well yeah, what is some of the, 14:39.233 --> 14:42.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% everybody actor or artist just wants to practice their art. 14:42.166 --> 14:44.300 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Sure enough, she's very political 14:44.300 --> 14:46.400 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% she's got a lot of causes she's very involved in. 14:46.400 --> 14:49.233 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% But she wants to work, and in fact she called me up with, 14:49.233 --> 14:52.100 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% as a few months ago she had a project she was getting 14:52.100 --> 14:53.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% off the ground interested in if I was, 14:53.733 --> 14:55.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know she's hustling, she's out there. 14:55.233 --> 14:56.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Like everybody else. 14:56.466 --> 14:58.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Just hustling got that next thing going. 14:58.600 --> 14:59.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughter) 14:59.733 --> 15:01.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Cicely Tyson hustling is the thing 15:01.000 --> 15:02.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm gonna take away from this conversation. 15:02.466 --> 15:04.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - There's a lesson there. 15:04.866 --> 15:07.833 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - The other person is the one I actually did not know 15:07.833 --> 15:09.066 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and I went and looked up his name 15:09.066 --> 15:10.000 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% because I thought he was so good, 15:10.000 --> 15:11.233 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% his name is Yul Vazquez, right? 15:11.233 --> 15:13.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% And he plays the marine commander or officer. 15:13.933 --> 15:14.766 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% - Colonel. - Colonel. 15:14.766 --> 15:15.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Yeah, Colonel Willits. 15:15.966 --> 15:18.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Who is at the, is at Dover, right? 15:18.033 --> 15:20.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% To greet the families of the fallen. 15:20.300 --> 15:23.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I just thought he was absolutely, he was fantastic. 15:23.433 --> 15:24.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Oh yeah, he's intense. 15:24.300 --> 15:25.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Where'd you find him? 15:25.466 --> 15:26.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - He's a Cuban American actor I knew from 15:26.833 --> 15:28.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% primarily New York theater circles. 15:28.900 --> 15:30.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'd seen him in a number of plays. 15:30.200 --> 15:32.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He's in a lot of movies, he was at a reading 15:32.900 --> 15:34.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a couple years ago, Ethan Hawke and I were just doing 15:34.666 --> 15:37.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a reading of a script we're working on and he was there 15:37.466 --> 15:38.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and I got to talking to him. 15:38.900 --> 15:41.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% This guy's intense, you know, I just really liked him. 15:41.400 --> 15:42.633 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% He was funny-- 15:42.633 --> 15:43.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well he was extremely intense in this part. 15:43.800 --> 15:44.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Very funny, really great actor, 15:44.733 --> 15:46.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% intense, all these things. 15:46.233 --> 15:47.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So again, you go to cast, and like who could play, 15:47.966 --> 15:51.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I said you know, I'll call up old Yul see if he wants to 15:51.433 --> 15:53.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% play that part and he had worked with Cranston 15:53.766 --> 15:55.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% on other things so it was great 15:55.833 --> 15:56.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% because they're kind of, 15:56.966 --> 15:58.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% they've got each others' number in this. 15:58.466 --> 16:02.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So that was fun that they renewed their old, you know. 16:02.100 --> 16:03.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Rivalry or whatever it was. 16:03.600 --> 16:05.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - So this interested me, come back to this question 16:05.566 --> 16:06.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% of the timing of this. 16:06.666 --> 16:08.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I walked away from this thinking 16:08.000 --> 16:09.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% this was a deeply political film. 16:09.666 --> 16:12.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But I don't know you to be a political filmmaker over time. 16:12.866 --> 16:14.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I can't think of another film that you've done 16:14.533 --> 16:17.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that either, intentionally or not, 16:18.433 --> 16:20.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% may be perceived as political. 16:20.100 --> 16:21.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Do you view it that way? 16:21.966 --> 16:24.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah, I think we're definitely in a political landscape. 16:24.733 --> 16:26.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean there's nothing more political 16:26.200 --> 16:28.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% than taking a country to war, right? 16:28.500 --> 16:31.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And that's the world this is in. 16:31.900 --> 16:34.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I think it's a minefield of politics 16:34.400 --> 16:37.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and these issues of patriotism. 16:37.666 --> 16:40.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But I think it acknowledged the political 16:40.800 --> 16:43.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% nature of it but then as a storyteller here, 16:43.566 --> 16:45.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was just thinking I want to really honor 16:45.700 --> 16:47.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% my characters' points of view. 16:47.833 --> 16:49.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I want to, you know, I have my own politics 16:49.566 --> 16:51.533 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% we all do, but-- 16:51.533 --> 16:53.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Do you leave those off the screen? 16:53.500 --> 16:55.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - You can't completely, but I like 16:55.400 --> 16:58.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the subject matter to me hit the. 16:58.933 --> 17:00.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The question I was asking, can you be anti-war 17:00.600 --> 17:03.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and still love your country and love your flag 17:03.800 --> 17:05.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and be patriotic. 17:05.166 --> 17:07.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And I think the answer's yes. 17:07.366 --> 17:09.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So to me that movie, and honor those who 17:09.866 --> 17:12.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% put their lives on the line for their country. 17:12.533 --> 17:14.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Just, you know, the unfortunate fact 17:14.633 --> 17:16.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that it's often not reciprocated. 17:16.366 --> 17:19.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% That gift that thing they're sacrificing for their country 17:19.566 --> 17:24.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is not reciprocated you know, from the top of the command 17:24.533 --> 17:27.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on down when you hear Donald Rumsfeld 17:27.700 --> 17:30.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is using a signature machine to send the letters 17:30.800 --> 17:33.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to the gold star families, instead of, 17:33.233 --> 17:37.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% he doesn't have time himself to sign the letters. 17:37.133 --> 17:39.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% That kind of, you know, that tells you all you need to know 17:39.266 --> 17:41.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% about how they view-- 17:41.066 --> 17:42.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well these characters though, in the film, 17:42.333 --> 17:45.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think very, I think in a really appropriate way 17:45.633 --> 17:48.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% convey their ambivalence. 17:48.500 --> 17:52.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The Bryan Cranston character particularly, you know, 17:52.433 --> 17:54.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% is this rascaly guy. 17:54.800 --> 17:57.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He says at one point, you know, we'd go again 17:57.133 --> 17:58.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% if we were asked to go. 17:58.233 --> 18:00.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% If we could go, right? 18:00.633 --> 18:02.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Men make wars and wars make men is what he says. 18:02.900 --> 18:04.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It has this-- - He says that kind of 18:04.166 --> 18:06.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% like in a sad way, you know, 18:06.233 --> 18:07.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% this will never end way. 18:07.700 --> 18:10.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - But it's true, he acknowledges what a conflict 18:10.333 --> 18:13.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you have within yourself about this experience of serving. 18:13.133 --> 18:14.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And I don't think it's a contradiction, 18:14.566 --> 18:16.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% like those could be the best years of his life 18:16.500 --> 18:20.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when he felt the most alive and you know, 18:20.500 --> 18:21.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% he just felt that brotherhood, 18:21.766 --> 18:23.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that connection, his life had a purpose. 18:23.466 --> 18:27.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And now as a self-medicating PTSD survivor, 18:28.433 --> 18:31.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% whatever long-term, you know he runs 18:31.000 --> 18:32.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a bar and everything, and he would. 18:32.433 --> 18:33.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Those were the best years, but he can also be 18:33.900 --> 18:36.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% extremely critical of this war and the last one. 18:36.733 --> 18:38.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He's kind of earned the right, you know? 18:38.800 --> 18:40.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think no one complains more about the military 18:40.133 --> 18:42.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% than the military themselves. 18:42.500 --> 18:44.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% They're in it, you know? 18:44.400 --> 18:45.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're stuck in this big bureaucracy, 18:45.833 --> 18:47.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% everyone's a little screwed over 18:47.100 --> 18:50.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but that doesn't alter their commitment. 18:50.533 --> 18:51.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - I want to, on this question, 18:51.700 --> 18:53.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we have a certain number of minutes left, 18:53.400 --> 18:55.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I want to pivot a little bit to a broader 18:55.166 --> 18:56.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% conversation about you. 18:56.366 --> 18:57.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So you're in your fourth decade making films. 18:57.833 --> 18:58.866 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - I guess so. 18:58.866 --> 18:59.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% 80s, 90s. 18:59.933 --> 19:00.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - For our consumption. 19:00.833 --> 19:02.033 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 19:02.033 --> 19:03.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - On this question of earning the right, 19:03.766 --> 19:06.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you've earned the right at this point, 19:06.000 --> 19:07.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% partly because the amount of time you've been doing this 19:07.933 --> 19:10.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and partly because of the success of your films 19:10.066 --> 19:12.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to work with the people you want to work with. 19:12.000 --> 19:14.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I'm as interested in the people we don't see 19:14.000 --> 19:15.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% as the people we do. 19:15.200 --> 19:17.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You have a crew of folks, a literal crew, 19:17.766 --> 19:20.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who you return to maybe not every film, 19:20.566 --> 19:23.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but repeatedly from the editor Sandra Adair-- 19:23.466 --> 19:25.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Yeah, we're in our 25th year. 19:25.000 --> 19:26.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - All the way down, 19:26.466 --> 19:27.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and I just wondered if you could talk about that. 19:27.833 --> 19:29.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You know, you get comfortable with certain people 19:29.500 --> 19:31.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as you get older, doing the kind of work that you do. 19:31.466 --> 19:33.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And it extends into casting 19:33.000 --> 19:34.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of course you've got people in the Linklater company 19:34.833 --> 19:36.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% who appear in your films a lot. 19:36.466 --> 19:37.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Well, you'd hope so. 19:37.700 --> 19:41.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That's the, if I had one regret in this 19:41.333 --> 19:44.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% life in film it's that there's so many great people 19:44.900 --> 19:47.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that you don't, like a cast, someone you work with, 19:47.366 --> 19:49.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and it's just great and they don't find their way 19:49.633 --> 19:51.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% back in another movie. 19:51.133 --> 19:53.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Because they're not right or they're not the right age 19:53.266 --> 19:54.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or whatever. - Can you give me an example 19:54.533 --> 19:55.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of somebody who would fit in that category? 19:55.566 --> 19:56.800 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Somebody-- 19:56.800 --> 19:58.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Oh there's so many, a lot of the Dazed cast. 19:58.233 --> 19:59.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I wouldn't have thought I wouldn't have worked with again. 19:59.433 --> 20:00.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean I thought I would have worked with 20:00.966 --> 20:02.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and I'm surprised I haven't. 20:02.233 --> 20:03.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right, some you have and some you haven't. 20:03.466 --> 20:04.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, and it just, it's kind of like, 20:04.900 --> 20:07.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and that goes with so many. 20:07.266 --> 20:10.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But it's wonderful when it does work out, 20:10.333 --> 20:13.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when they are you know, right for something. 20:13.433 --> 20:15.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And the same with crew, you kind of 20:15.000 --> 20:17.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% catch a groove, maybe a little decade plus 20:17.866 --> 20:20.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% with some people and then you know 20:20.333 --> 20:21.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% some people's lives change, 20:21.266 --> 20:22.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% they move, they have, you know. 20:22.766 --> 20:24.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Priorities shift and you know so you're kinda 20:24.800 --> 20:26.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% ships slowly passing. 20:27.966 --> 20:32.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Some people collaborate well for long periods of time 20:32.233 --> 20:33.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% sometimes you're one. 20:33.400 --> 20:34.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's a pretty freelancey business 20:34.833 --> 20:37.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% but I do value the long term. 20:37.900 --> 20:39.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Well one of the things that I imagine must be true 20:39.766 --> 20:41.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% is that as a creative person 20:41.333 --> 20:44.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you've got a lot of focus you have to devote 20:44.766 --> 20:46.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to realizing your vision 20:46.766 --> 20:48.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and how great it is to have people over here 20:48.666 --> 20:52.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who you can trust to do all the other stuff. 20:52.433 --> 20:54.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And often that only happens if you work with them over time 20:54.233 --> 20:55.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% right, where you just know how I work, 20:55.500 --> 20:57.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I know how you work, we do this well together 20:57.433 --> 20:58.866 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% and that's it. 20:58.866 --> 21:01.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - We were able to, these, Last Flag Flying, 21:01.633 --> 21:04.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the new one Where'd You Go Bernadette, 21:04.566 --> 21:07.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the same department heads, the same people we were 21:07.233 --> 21:09.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% able to just take that into-- 21:09.433 --> 21:10.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Evan] Just pick them up. 21:10.833 --> 21:13.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah, and I have incredible trust with them 21:13.300 --> 21:15.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know, Bruce Curtis my production designer, 21:15.133 --> 21:17.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Shane Kelly my DP, Sandra the editor, 21:17.666 --> 21:19.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Kari Perkins costume director, 21:19.866 --> 21:21.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Ginger Sledge producer. 21:21.566 --> 21:23.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - How long have you worked with Ginger Sledge, 21:23.233 --> 21:24.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean that goes back, that's got to go back-- 21:24.833 --> 21:27.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Over twenty years now. 21:27.400 --> 21:28.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Different capacities. 21:28.766 --> 21:29.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Is the studio relationship also at this point 21:29.766 --> 21:31.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% stable from your perspective? 21:31.433 --> 21:32.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Do you feel like something has happened 21:32.633 --> 21:34.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% where that has leveled out a little bit? 21:34.566 --> 21:36.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - No, the financing thing's always a bit 21:36.466 --> 21:38.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% catch a sketch kind of. 21:38.500 --> 21:40.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm very lucky right now to have done 21:40.366 --> 21:42.633 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% my last few films with Annapurna. 21:42.633 --> 21:43.900 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - [Evan] Annapurna, right. 21:43.900 --> 21:46.166 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% - And Amazon Studios, with Last Flag. 21:46.166 --> 21:47.733 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% And they give you just enough, 21:47.733 --> 21:49.000 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% it's still we're kind of low budget 21:49.000 --> 21:52.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% by their standards but just enough of a budget 21:52.166 --> 21:55.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and a schedule to get it done properly 21:55.566 --> 21:56.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% where I had movies in the past, 21:56.566 --> 21:57.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I would say like Bernie. 21:57.866 --> 22:00.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We didn't quite have the budget and the schedule. 22:00.166 --> 22:01.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I mean we made it work, 22:01.733 --> 22:03.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but it's the difference between shooting a film 22:03.600 --> 22:05.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in 30 days versus 22 days. 22:06.800 --> 22:07.633 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% I like 30. 22:09.100 --> 22:10.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - If anybody's listening. 22:10.566 --> 22:11.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah, it's a little nicer, but when you have, 22:11.933 --> 22:15.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when you're meeting producers on your set 22:15.166 --> 22:18.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for the first time who've invested 50 grand 22:18.200 --> 22:20.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the movie and you have 30 whatever producers. 22:20.800 --> 22:22.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And that was a thrown together, 22:22.600 --> 22:25.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but you just do what you have to do to get it made. 22:25.200 --> 22:26.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I think all of us though would sit out here 22:26.900 --> 22:30.066 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% thinking well Boyhood was this phenomenon. 22:30.066 --> 22:32.500 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% And it had all these academy award nominations 22:32.500 --> 22:34.400 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and it had this, you know, everyone kept talking 22:34.400 --> 22:35.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% about what an amazing thing it was. 22:35.900 --> 22:38.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And you'd think, finally, as a consequence of that 22:38.233 --> 22:40.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that I'm gonna get the latitude to do whatever I want 22:40.600 --> 22:43.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% with whatever money I want, on whatever schedule I want. 22:43.000 --> 22:44.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And that's the romantic ideal. 22:44.933 --> 22:48.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, but it, it definitely helps. 22:48.700 --> 22:51.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, definitely I think you always have a, 22:51.833 --> 22:55.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's a temperature to yourself in the industry 22:55.166 --> 22:58.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I was happy to, you know, after that 22:58.233 --> 23:01.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I've gotten three additional movies made that were all 23:01.766 --> 23:04.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% kind of difficult to make so I'm-- 23:04.566 --> 23:06.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So maybe it did have a positive aspect to it. 23:06.366 --> 23:08.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, it definitely doesn't hurt. 23:08.166 --> 23:09.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - What can you say about this new movie? 23:09.766 --> 23:11.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% What are you willing to say about the new movie? 23:11.466 --> 23:12.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Oh that we're editing now? 23:12.300 --> 23:13.133 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 23:14.900 --> 23:17.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - This was kind of a mid-life movie, 23:17.600 --> 23:20.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know with these guys, middle-aged. 23:20.666 --> 23:22.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I've done that kind of much more 23:22.400 --> 23:23.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% from a female perspective. 23:23.700 --> 23:27.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's Cate Blanchett, Kristen Wiig, and-- 23:27.533 --> 23:29.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Again, people you've not worked with before. 23:29.000 --> 23:32.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - No, no, but I'm very blessed to. 23:32.233 --> 23:35.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So yeah, it's a woman's movie. Mid-life. 23:35.400 --> 23:36.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - So you're still enjoying doing this? 23:36.500 --> 23:38.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Yeah, are you kidding? 23:38.133 --> 23:39.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's fun, yeah, I can't think of any, 23:39.900 --> 23:41.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I haven't figured out anything else to do. 23:41.666 --> 23:42.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Well but, you know-- 23:42.500 --> 23:44.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience laughter) 23:44.000 --> 23:46.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But I do think about the challenges over the years 23:46.600 --> 23:49.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that you and other filmmakers go through 23:49.133 --> 23:50.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the fact that the environment has changed, 23:50.600 --> 23:52.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% studios have changed, distribution has changed, 23:52.266 --> 23:53.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean you mentioned the Amazon Studios piece, 23:53.766 --> 23:56.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I did notice that Amazon was part of this last one 23:56.733 --> 23:58.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% like you said, it's part of the next one as well. 23:58.533 --> 24:00.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The introduction of those players onto the scene, 24:00.966 --> 24:02.166 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - It's great. 24:02.166 --> 24:03.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It actually creates this whole other-- 24:03.366 --> 24:05.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Yeah, no, it's a good time, I look around, 24:05.433 --> 24:07.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% filmmaker friends I would run into 24:07.466 --> 24:08.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% maybe seven, eight years ago, 24:08.600 --> 24:09.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% we look at each other we go, 24:09.733 --> 24:12.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% is it, it's like, it's horrible. 24:12.066 --> 24:14.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You know like no one's funding the kind of films we make. 24:14.633 --> 24:17.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And it was tough and now, I go, can we just acknowledge 24:17.800 --> 24:19.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% this is the good time, because it's not gonna last. 24:19.800 --> 24:21.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It didn't seem like it was the good time. 24:21.633 --> 24:24.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - It's kind of like a life in crime or something. 24:24.533 --> 24:27.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You catch a streak and then at some point you get busted 24:27.400 --> 24:28.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and you have to go away for a while. 24:28.600 --> 24:31.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And you come back, get the crew together, 24:31.200 --> 24:33.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and do some more jobs. 24:33.466 --> 24:36.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - But that's on the front end, right? 24:36.600 --> 24:38.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But I actually, of course, was thinking 24:38.133 --> 24:40.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as much about the back end where all of a sudden now 24:40.000 --> 24:43.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there are so many more places for us on demand to see films. 24:43.866 --> 24:45.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Well studios are making, technically, 24:45.500 --> 24:47.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% less films, they're just huge. 24:47.800 --> 24:50.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But it leaves a lot of room and there's a lot of people 24:50.233 --> 24:51.733 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% filling that. 24:51.733 --> 24:53.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Is that something you have any interest in doing 24:53.000 --> 24:54.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% if they came to you and said we want you to make 24:54.600 --> 24:56.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a superhero movie, would you do it? 24:56.166 --> 24:57.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - No, every now and then, believe it or not, 24:57.466 --> 24:59.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% something floats my way but I never, I don't-- 24:59.933 --> 25:03.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - It hasn't even appealed to you just a little bit? 25:03.233 --> 25:05.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - No, no, I got too many things I'm trying. 25:05.433 --> 25:07.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I'm probably not the right, I've passed on a lot of movies 25:07.833 --> 25:11.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that I just, I go I'm not the right person. 25:11.266 --> 25:13.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But the things that have come to me outside myself, 25:13.566 --> 25:16.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know I write a lot of original screenplays and stuff 25:16.133 --> 25:19.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but the ones that I'm adapting a book or something, 25:19.966 --> 25:21.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know, you want to feel you're the, 25:21.533 --> 25:23.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you have a sensibility, like you're the only one. 25:23.466 --> 25:26.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Like I can tell this story in a way no one else can. 25:26.066 --> 25:28.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You got to feel that way. 25:28.333 --> 25:29.533 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% - Self-awareness is a good thing. 25:29.533 --> 25:31.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - And then if I go, well I think someone else 25:31.166 --> 25:32.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% can tell this better than I can? 25:32.933 --> 25:33.866 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% - Pass. 25:33.866 --> 25:35.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - Yeah, then what're you doing? 25:35.366 --> 25:38.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I feel that way about almost, so many things. 25:38.600 --> 25:41.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So but, the ones that get me get me. 25:41.700 --> 25:43.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Those are the ones I want to try-- 25:43.166 --> 25:44.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - It's exciting to get to talk about this stuff with you 25:44.533 --> 25:45.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% whenever we get a chance to. 25:45.933 --> 25:48.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I appreciate you coming over and thank you 25:48.466 --> 25:49.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and congratulations on the film. 25:49.500 --> 25:51.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Oh thank you, Evan. 25:51.000 --> 25:52.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Alright, Rick Linklater, good, thanks very much. 25:52.366 --> 25:55.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience applause) 25:55.066 --> 25:56.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Announcer] We'd love to have you join us in the studio. 25:56.733 --> 26:00.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Visit our website at KLRU.org/overheard to find 26:02.100 --> 26:03.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% invitations to interviews, Q and As 26:03.800 --> 26:05.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% with our audience and guests, 26:05.400 --> 26:08.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and an archive of past episodes. 26:08.533 --> 26:11.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I feel lucky that I haven't been that restless within it. 26:11.766 --> 26:13.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But I've always been really happy, 26:13.200 --> 26:16.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I was just happy to move to Austin. 26:16.066 --> 26:17.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That's all I wanted. 26:17.366 --> 26:18.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Happy that the film studies doing, 26:18.900 --> 26:20.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% happy to get to make my next film, 26:20.400 --> 26:23.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I just keep it really simple. 26:23.033 --> 26:24.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Evan] Uncomplicated. 26:24.500 --> 26:27.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Yeah, yeah, not get overly ambitious or complicate things. 26:27.700 --> 26:29.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% One film after the other. 26:29.400 --> 26:31.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Announcer] Funding for Overheard with Evan Smith 26:31.733 --> 26:34.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is provided in part by Hillco Partners, 26:34.466 --> 26:37.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a Texas government Affairs Consultancy. 26:37.566 --> 26:40.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And by Claire and Carl Stuart.