WEBVTT 00:00.900 --> 00:01.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] What so far, 00:01.833 --> 00:03.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and I realize it's rather short 00:03.400 --> 00:07.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% into your interviews and tour, 00:07.633 --> 00:09.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so far has been the most interesting 00:09.900 --> 00:12.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and unexpected question you've had? 00:12.500 --> 00:15.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Either from an audience or from an interviewer. 00:15.600 --> 00:17.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [SUSAN PAGE] So let me talk about the most interesting thing 00:17.400 --> 00:19.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I've found on this book tour, if I may, 00:19.766 --> 00:22.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and that is that everybody has a Barbara Bush story. 00:22.600 --> 00:24.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And you know, maybe it's because I've spent. 00:24.666 --> 00:25.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I was in Washington. 00:25.600 --> 00:26.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I did some events in Washington, 00:26.833 --> 00:28.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and now I've been in Texas for a week. 00:28.333 --> 00:33.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But like anybody here ever actually meet Barbara Bush? 00:33.033 --> 00:36.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So like a fair number of people. 00:36.933 --> 00:39.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so all through Texas, people would stand up 00:39.000 --> 00:43.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and tell me these amazing stories about Barbara Bush. 00:43.800 --> 00:46.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And in Washington. 00:46.033 --> 00:49.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I did a book event in Washington last week 00:49.500 --> 00:52.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and a man stood up in the Q and A part 00:52.100 --> 00:55.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and said that he was Barbara Bush's nephew 00:55.300 --> 00:57.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and that Barbara Bush when she was, 00:57.500 --> 00:59.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% like I think she must have been like 90, 00:59.866 --> 01:02.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% came to his grandmother's-- 01:02.500 --> 01:04.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% he's a grand nephew maybe. 01:04.466 --> 01:05.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'm not sure, nephew or grand nephew. 01:05.866 --> 01:07.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [EVAN SMITH] Kin. 01:07.100 --> 01:08.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [PAGE] related, okay? [SMITH] Yeah, yeah. 01:08.866 --> 01:12.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [PAGE] That she came to his grandmother's funeral 01:12.666 --> 01:15.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and this is when she is in fact in failing health herself. 01:15.533 --> 01:16.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And she said to him, 01:16.866 --> 01:18.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "This is the most joyous time of my life." 01:18.966 --> 01:20.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And he said, "Why?" 01:20.400 --> 01:24.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And she said, "Because soon, I'll see Robin again." 01:24.233 --> 01:25.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [SMITH] Yeah. 01:25.166 --> 01:27.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [PAGE] Which is, I mean, whew. 01:27.266 --> 01:28.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] But it goes back to what she said 01:28.733 --> 01:32.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that really the loss of her daughter 01:32.133 --> 01:35.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% never really ceased to be a factor in her life, right? 01:35.933 --> 01:36.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% [PAGE] Yeah. [SMITH] Yeah. 01:36.866 --> 01:37.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [PAGE] It was so. 01:37.800 --> 01:39.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I think it did two things. 01:39.466 --> 01:43.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think it made her invulnerable to criticism, in a way. 01:43.166 --> 01:45.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It made her more brusque. 01:45.000 --> 01:47.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like she just wasn't gonna put up with prattle anymore 01:47.966 --> 01:50.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% because why? 01:50.166 --> 01:52.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, she had survived the worst thing that could happen 01:52.100 --> 01:54.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and nothing could hurt her as badly as that hurt her. 01:54.533 --> 01:59.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But it also made her more empathetic inside. 01:59.266 --> 02:01.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It made her more, you know, 02:01.300 --> 02:03.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% she'd had a privileged life and so had George Bush. 02:03.833 --> 02:06.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And here was something, the worst thing had happened 02:06.100 --> 02:09.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and nothing, not their money, not their social position, 02:09.966 --> 02:12.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% not their friends could do anything about it. 02:12.733 --> 02:14.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think that was a lesson she took to heart. 02:14.600 --> 02:15.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [SMITH] Amazing. 02:15.666 --> 02:17.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Sir? 02:17.133 --> 02:18.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] You talk about how she and George met. 02:18.433 --> 02:19.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [PAGE] Yeah. 02:19.266 --> 02:20.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Yes. 02:20.466 --> 02:22.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know, they met at a Christmas dance. 02:22.233 --> 02:23.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% They were both in prep school. 02:23.766 --> 02:27.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They came back to suburban New York for the holidays. 02:27.233 --> 02:28.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% This is in 1941. 02:28.866 --> 02:31.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And they both end up at the Greenwich Country Club 02:31.333 --> 02:33.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for a high school dance. 02:33.733 --> 02:36.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And George Bush says to a friend, 02:36.100 --> 02:38.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Do you know that girl across the room?" 02:38.066 --> 02:39.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And his friend did. 02:39.166 --> 02:41.333 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And he was going to introduce her 02:41.333 --> 02:43.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or introduce them to each other. 02:43.033 --> 02:45.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And it was almost love at first sight. 02:45.166 --> 02:48.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They were almost never not together after that. 02:48.733 --> 02:50.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And when I interviewed him in the final interview 02:50.866 --> 02:52.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% he did during his life, 02:52.100 --> 02:55.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I said, "Do you remember what caught your eye 02:55.233 --> 02:56.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "at the Christmas dance?" 02:56.700 --> 02:59.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And he said, "She was so beautiful." 03:00.533 --> 03:01.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [SMITH] That's great. 03:01.466 --> 03:03.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Now, you make reference in here 03:03.733 --> 03:06.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to her having dropped out of college 03:06.033 --> 03:09.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to marry the first boy she ever kissed. 03:09.266 --> 03:10.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% That is a true story. 03:10.600 --> 03:12.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [PAGE] So also, I wanted to see 03:12.566 --> 03:17.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% her high school records, right? 03:17.000 --> 03:18.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% When someone's alive, 03:18.366 --> 03:19.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you have to get their permission to do that. 03:19.933 --> 03:21.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I ask her to give me permission. 03:21.533 --> 03:23.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% She wrote a funny letter 03:23.000 --> 03:25.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to the place where they were held in South Carolina. 03:25.600 --> 03:27.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% She had gone to a finishing school in South Carolina. 03:27.700 --> 03:29.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She said, "I'm afraid she'll be disappointed, 03:29.433 --> 03:32.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "but please let Susan Page see my high school records." 03:32.133 --> 03:34.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And they're hilarious because for one thing, 03:34.033 --> 03:35.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% it has her IQ on them. 03:35.866 --> 03:37.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Now, who puts-- [SMITH] Who does that? 03:37.533 --> 03:39.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [PAGE] Like I don't think we do this anymore, let's hope, 03:39.533 --> 03:42.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but her IQ was 120 which is like pretty high 03:42.833 --> 03:44.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and her grades were terrible. 03:44.733 --> 03:46.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She got in her whole high school career, 03:46.733 --> 03:50.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% she got exactly one A and it was in physical education. 03:50.366 --> 03:51.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience laughing) 03:51.833 --> 03:52.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [SMITH] It's amazing. 03:52.633 --> 03:54.166 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Sir? 03:54.166 --> 03:56.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] Did she enjoy being First Lady? 03:56.266 --> 03:57.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [PAGE] Yes, she did. 03:57.800 --> 04:01.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And you know, she enjoyed it. 04:01.033 --> 04:02.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She enjoyed, I think, various aspects of it. 04:02.766 --> 04:04.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% She liked helping her husband. 04:04.033 --> 04:06.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She was very engaged in the events of the day 04:06.866 --> 04:09.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% including the negotiations during the Cold War 04:09.566 --> 04:14.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which, I think, that wasn't recognized, her role in that. 04:14.366 --> 04:16.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% She also enjoyed-- 04:16.866 --> 04:19.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% she saw it as a big platform to help people 04:19.433 --> 04:22.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and she told her staff that she wanted to do something 04:22.466 --> 04:24.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% every day to help somebody else. 04:24.233 --> 04:26.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So she had, especially on the issue of literacy, 04:26.833 --> 04:30.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% she has just a killer schedule 04:30.266 --> 04:33.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of events like no First Lady has ever had. 04:33.800 --> 04:35.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Many times in smaller places. 04:35.766 --> 04:38.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, she traveled a lot to do literacy events. 04:38.733 --> 04:42.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% One of the literacy activists that she worked with a lot 04:42.866 --> 04:45.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% told me that she did this even when she was suffering 04:45.700 --> 04:47.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% from the worst of Graves' disease, 04:47.066 --> 04:48.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% which really affected her eyes, 04:48.433 --> 04:51.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% made her eyes very sensitive, made her see double. 04:51.500 --> 04:53.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% This is something she never talked about publicly. 04:53.700 --> 04:54.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And that they would go to these events 04:54.966 --> 04:56.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and there would just be 04:56.500 --> 04:57.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% every single person would want their picture taken with her. 04:57.966 --> 05:00.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It'd be flashbulb, after flashbulb, after flashbulb. 05:00.566 --> 05:02.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This was before there were cell phones. 05:02.700 --> 05:04.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that by the time they got back to the plane, 05:04.366 --> 05:05.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% she would be in agony. 05:05.833 --> 05:08.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Her eyes would just be in agony from all the flashbulbs 05:08.466 --> 05:11.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and she would put cold compresses on her eyes 05:11.133 --> 05:13.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for the flight back to Washington. 05:13.433 --> 05:17.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But that she never complained and she never mentioned it. 05:17.333 --> 05:19.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% She never said to somebody, "Please don't take my picture. 05:19.100 --> 05:20.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "My eyes are killing me." 05:20.500 --> 05:23.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think that is part of her effort 05:23.733 --> 05:26.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to like make a difference in people's lives 05:26.000 --> 05:29.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which was definitely something that meant something to her. 05:29.266 --> 05:31.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] Critically important to her, yeah. 05:31.400 --> 05:32.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [PAGE] Just one more thing. 05:32.566 --> 05:34.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Evan mentioned there was a time 05:34.200 --> 05:37.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% when she was very depressed in 1976. 05:37.366 --> 05:39.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Contemplated suicide. 05:39.533 --> 05:41.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And she said the thing that helped her 05:41.933 --> 05:43.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% come out of this dark period 05:43.800 --> 05:47.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% was she went and volunteered at a hospice. 05:47.333 --> 05:49.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And that I think the theory is 05:49.533 --> 05:51.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% she didn't articulate it this way to me, 05:51.666 --> 05:54.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but I think the theory is if you enter a bad patch, 05:54.333 --> 05:57.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% find somebody who has a worse one and help them 05:57.366 --> 05:58.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and it'll help you too. 05:58.433 --> 05:59.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [SMITH] That's amazing. 05:59.766 --> 06:01.100 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Ma'am? 06:01.100 --> 06:01.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] I think you might have 06:01.900 --> 06:03.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% just gotten into it. 06:03.333 --> 06:04.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I was gonna ask how you learned about her depression. 06:04.266 --> 06:05.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Was it through other interviews? 06:05.900 --> 06:07.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] Did she talk about it openly to you? 06:07.666 --> 06:08.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [PAGE] So yes. 06:08.500 --> 06:09.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% In fact, she mentioned. 06:09.766 --> 06:11.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% This is interesting. 06:11.066 --> 06:14.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% She wrote this best-selling memoir in 1994 06:14.100 --> 06:15.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and in it, she has a very short passage 06:15.866 --> 06:17.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that said, "And I was very depressed 06:17.700 --> 06:18.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "and contemplated suicide, 06:18.733 --> 06:19.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." 06:19.900 --> 06:20.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Right? Like it's just tucked in there. 06:20.833 --> 06:22.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [SMITH] Then move on, right. 06:22.266 --> 06:23.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [PAGE] It got almost no attention. 06:23.800 --> 06:25.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I couldn't find anyone who picked up on it. 06:25.566 --> 06:27.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So when she talked to me about it, 06:27.000 --> 06:28.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it wasn't the first time she disclosed it, 06:28.866 --> 06:30.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I think it was the first time 06:30.366 --> 06:31.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% somebody paid a lot of attention to it. 06:31.900 --> 06:33.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And they'd come back. 06:33.800 --> 06:35.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The Bushes had moved back from China. 06:35.933 --> 06:38.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He had taken over the job heading the CIA. 06:38.566 --> 06:41.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He could no longer share his job with her, 06:41.033 --> 06:43.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% something he had done up to then. 06:43.133 --> 06:45.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% She had an empty nest. 06:45.100 --> 06:47.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Doro had gone away to boarding school 06:47.833 --> 06:49.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and the boys were a little older 06:49.600 --> 06:53.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and were either in college or out in the world. 06:53.033 --> 06:54.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% She was going through menopause. 06:54.200 --> 06:56.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That might have had some effect. 06:56.533 --> 06:59.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But she entered a really-- 06:59.133 --> 07:01.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% she was clearly very depressed 07:01.600 --> 07:05.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and she told me that she would be driving 07:05.333 --> 07:08.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and feel this urge to plow into a tree 07:08.200 --> 07:12.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or to steer the car into the path of an oncoming car. 07:12.066 --> 07:14.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that she would have to pull off to the side of the road 07:14.700 --> 07:17.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and stop and wait for the impulse to pass 07:17.600 --> 07:19.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% before she could drive on. 07:19.300 --> 07:21.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So this is someone, I mean, 07:21.100 --> 07:25.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% this really meets the diagnosis of a clinical depression. 07:25.400 --> 07:28.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But her public image was so stoic and strong 07:28.500 --> 07:30.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that even when I went to interview 07:30.400 --> 07:32.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% other people like her brother 07:32.333 --> 07:35.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with whom she's very close about this period, 07:35.466 --> 07:37.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he said, "Well, it wasn't that serious." 07:37.366 --> 07:38.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It couldn't have been that serious 07:38.600 --> 07:40.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because of course, it is so at odds 07:40.466 --> 07:42.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with the picture we have of Barbara Bush. 07:42.566 --> 07:43.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% [SMITH] Amazing. 07:44.266 --> 07:45.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Last one, sir? 07:47.033 --> 07:50.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [AUDIENCE MEMBER] What were her feelings about Ross Perot? 07:50.133 --> 07:51.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (laughing) 07:51.766 --> 07:53.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% [PAGE] Well, you know that little box that had Nancy Reagan. 07:53.866 --> 07:56.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience laughing) 07:56.166 --> 07:58.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She would have been Ross Perot in there too. 07:58.800 --> 08:02.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% She was, she blamed-- 08:02.233 --> 08:04.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% She adored George Bush. 08:04.266 --> 08:06.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She never thought he did anything wrong. 08:06.100 --> 08:10.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The two reasons she felt that he lost his bid for reelection 08:10.000 --> 08:13.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% was unfair news media coverage and Ross Perot. 08:13.833 --> 08:15.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [SMITH] Well, the fact is if you look at the math 08:15.633 --> 08:17.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% on the Perot numbers in that race, 08:17.266 --> 08:18.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% hard not to believe 08:18.633 --> 08:20.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that he did cost President Bush that race. 08:20.600 --> 08:22.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [PAGE] It was not helpful, that Ross Perot. 08:22.500 --> 08:24.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Now, you can't rewind history, you know? 08:24.000 --> 08:25.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If this one thing doesn't happen, another thing does. 08:25.933 --> 08:29.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But he was definitely unhelpful. 08:29.766 --> 08:33.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And they had sort of an odd history here in Texas too, 08:33.533 --> 08:36.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but that was the culmination of the-- 08:36.166 --> 08:38.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [SMITH] You know, there was that moment in that debate 08:38.300 --> 08:39.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% with Bill Clinton 08:39.566 --> 08:41.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where President Bush looked at his watch 08:41.866 --> 08:43.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and everybody took from that, you know, 08:43.833 --> 08:45.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he's basically telegraphing to us 08:45.900 --> 08:48.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that he can't wait to leave. 08:48.000 --> 08:49.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You know, his time's up. 08:49.566 --> 08:53.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, that we forget that was an amazing campaign 08:53.100 --> 08:54.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in so many respects. 08:54.600 --> 08:57.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The challenge to President Bush by Pat Buchanan, 08:57.633 --> 08:59.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Ross Perot's involvement in that race. 08:59.733 --> 09:01.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [PAGE] You know, and another thing 09:01.033 --> 09:03.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that I think didn't get-- 09:03.200 --> 09:05.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% wasn't understood fully at the time 09:05.133 --> 09:08.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% was Bush's campaign chairman in 1992, 09:08.533 --> 09:09.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Fred Malek, who just died last week-- 09:09.800 --> 09:11.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMTIH] Just died like two weeks ago 09:11.100 --> 09:12.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or a week ago, yeah. 09:12.600 --> 09:16.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% [PAGE] --told me that Bush 09:16.533 --> 09:19.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% had also been diagnosed with Graves' disease, 09:19.333 --> 09:21.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and that they were giving him medication 09:21.366 --> 09:23.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which they were trying to carefully regulate. 09:23.900 --> 09:27.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And Malek and also Marlin Fitzwater 09:27.366 --> 09:29.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who was perhaps Bush's closest aide 09:29.466 --> 09:30.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on the White House staff, 09:30.400 --> 09:32.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% his White House press secretary, 09:32.066 --> 09:33.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% say that he just wasn't the same, 09:33.866 --> 09:35.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that he didn't have energy, 09:35.866 --> 09:39.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that he wasn't bold the way he had been before. 09:39.833 --> 09:43.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And they think the impact of the Graves' disease 09:43.233 --> 09:45.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% was as big a factor as Ross Perot 09:45.400 --> 09:46.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in costing him that election. 09:46.933 --> 09:48.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% [SMITH] See again, something we don't actually know. 09:48.400 --> 09:50.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Susan, we're so happy to see you. 09:50.266 --> 09:51.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you for making time for us. 09:51.133 --> 09:52.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% [PAGE] Thank you. 09:52.366 --> 09:53.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% [SMITH] Give Susan Page a big hand. 09:53.166 --> 09:57.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience applauding)