WEBVTT 00:02.100 --> 00:04.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: In Washington tonight, there is no sign of an agreement on immigration 00:04.233 --> 00:08.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% reform or on a government spending deal to beat a looming deadline. 00:08.866 --> 00:13.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Instead, much of the focus remains on what President Trump said and did at a White House 00:14.600 --> 00:16.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% meeting last week. 00:16.166 --> 00:17.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Lisa Desjardins begins our coverage. 00:17.500 --> 00:19.600 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% SEN. 00:19.600 --> 00:22.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CHARLES GRASSLEY (R), Iowa: Do you affirm that the testimony you're about to give before 00:22.166 --> 00:24.666 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% the committee... 00:24.666 --> 00:26.933 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% LISA DESJARDINS: Under oath, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen again pushed back 00:26.933 --> 00:31.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% at charges that the president ever uttered a specific profanity to describe Haiti and 00:32.666 --> 00:34.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% African countries. 00:34.866 --> 00:35.566 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% ®MD+I®MD-IKIRSTJEN NIELSEN, U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security: I didn't hear that word 00:35.566 --> 00:37.566 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% used, no, sir. 00:37.566 --> 00:40.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LISA DESJARDINS: But she didn't answer if he might have said something similar, instead 00:40.633 --> 00:44.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% saying there was strong and impassioned language. 00:44.133 --> 00:47.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Democrat Dick Durbin, who was also in last week's meeting, pressed her. 00:47.400 --> 00:49.100 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% SEN. 00:49.100 --> 00:50.400 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% RICHARD DURBIN (D-IL), Minority Whip: What was that strong language? 00:50.400 --> 00:51.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% ®MD+I®MD-IKIRSTJEN NIELSEN: Ah, let's see. 00:51.300 --> 00:52.766 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Strong language. 00:52.766 --> 00:57.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There was -- apologies, I don't remember a specific word. 00:59.333 --> 01:02.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% What I was struck with, frankly, and I'm sure you were as well, was just the general profanity 01:03.700 --> 01:04.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that was used in the room by almost everyone. 01:04.933 --> 01:06.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% DURBIN: Did you hear me use profanity? 01:06.633 --> 01:07.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% ®MD+I®MD-IKIRSTJEN NIELSEN: No, sir. 01:07.633 --> 01:09.666 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Neither did I. 01:09.666 --> 01:12.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LISA DESJARDINS: New Jersey Democrat Cory Booker fired back, questioning Nielsen's honesty. 01:12.333 --> 01:14.433 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% SEN. 01:14.433 --> 01:18.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CORY BOOKER (D), New Jersey: The commander in chief, in an Oval Office meeting, referring 01:20.200 --> 01:24.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% to people from African countries and Haitians with the most vile and vulgar language. 01:26.833 --> 01:31.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That language festers. 01:31.033 --> 01:36.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% When ignorance and bigotry is allied with power, it is a dangerous force in the country. 01:38.666 --> 01:40.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Your silence and your amnesia is complicity. 01:40.766 --> 01:45.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LISA DESJARDINS: President Trump himself today was meeting with the Kazakh president, but 01:45.100 --> 01:47.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% was pressed on a different detail from last week's meeting. 01:47.866 --> 01:51.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% QUESTION: Mr. President, did you say that you want more people to come in from Norway? 01:51.166 --> 01:53.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Did you say that you wanted more people to come in from Norway? 01:53.733 --> 01:55.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Is that true, Mr. President? 01:55.800 --> 01:57.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States: I want them to come in from everywhere. 01:57.966 --> 01:59.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Everywhere. 01:59.966 --> 02:03.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LISA DESJARDINS: This as Congress and the White House try to reassemble talks over DACA 02:03.066 --> 02:07.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% recipients, people brought to the U.S. illegally as children. 02:07.233 --> 02:11.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% As part of that, North Carolina Republican Thom Tillis defended the president's push 02:11.800 --> 02:12.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% for more border security. 02:12.966 --> 02:15.000 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% SEN. 02:15.000 --> 02:17.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THOM TILLIS (R), North Carolina: I, for one, think that we have to have a balanced proposal, 02:17.033 --> 02:20.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% a compromise that solves and addresses the DACA problem in a compassionate and sustainable 02:21.000 --> 02:23.033 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% way. 02:23.033 --> 02:26.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But we also have to understand we need to be compassionate in terms of the threat to 02:28.233 --> 02:30.933 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% our community and to our homeland by not securing the border. 02:30.933 --> 02:35.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And you can only do that when people lower the temperatures and recognize that securing 02:35.066 --> 02:40.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the border is an absolutely appropriate request as we're solving the DACA problem. 02:42.100 --> 02:46.200 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% LISA DESJARDINS: And this immigration battle has direct connections to the latest government 02:46.200 --> 02:48.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% spending showdown. 02:48.300 --> 02:52.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Congress must pass another funding bill by the end of the week, or government will shut 02:52.300 --> 02:54.900 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% down. 02:54.900 --> 02:58.300 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% Issue one, the Senate, where a spending bill will likely need 60 votes, meaning some Democratic 02:59.000 --> 03:01.100 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% votes. 03:01.100 --> 03:05.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But Democrats say, first, they need a deal on DACA in the spending bill. 03:05.733 --> 03:07.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Issue two, the House. 03:07.766 --> 03:11.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Without any Democrats to pass the spending bill there, Republicans would have to get 03:11.500 --> 03:14.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the 218 votes need from their members only. 03:14.866 --> 03:19.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And many Republicans have said they don't want to vote for any more short-term spending 03:19.600 --> 03:21.633 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% bills. 03:21.633 --> 03:26.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Outside the hearing room, a key character in all of this, South Carolina Republican 03:26.333 --> 03:28.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Lindsey Graham, spoke to reporters. 03:28.400 --> 03:33.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He insisted that the president was on board a DACA deal last Tuesday and at 10:00 a.m. 03:34.133 --> 03:36.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Thursday, but changed two hours later. 03:36.100 --> 03:38.066 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% SEN. 03:38.066 --> 03:39.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), South Carolina: Yes, I think somebody on his staff gave him really 03:39.333 --> 03:42.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% bad advice from 10:00 to 12:00 on Thursday. 03:42.666 --> 03:46.900 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% I think the president I saw on Tuesday is the guy I play golf with. 03:46.900 --> 03:48.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I actually like the guy. 03:48.533 --> 03:49.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% He's actually funny. 03:49.900 --> 03:52.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I thought he commanded the room. 03:52.300 --> 03:57.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And the conversation at 10:00 on Thursday was pretty consistent with the guy I saw Tuesday. 03:57.200 --> 03:58.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Something happened between 10:00 and 12:00. 03:58.200 --> 03:59.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And I like Secretary Nielsen. 03:59.200 --> 04:00.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% She's a nice person. 04:00.500 --> 04:01.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And we will get to the bottom of this. 04:01.733 --> 04:02.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But here is what's going to matter. 04:02.400 --> 04:03.200 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% How does it end? 04:03.200 --> 04:04.633 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% How does it end? 04:04.633 --> 04:05.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Does it end with the government shutting down? 04:05.833 --> 04:07.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We should all be kicked out if that happens. 04:07.866 --> 04:12.600 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% LISA DESJARDINS: Add to the political storm, rolling protests from DACA recipients and 04:14.566 --> 04:18.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% others erupted on Capitol Hill today, with police and other sources expecting those to 04:18.866 --> 04:20.133 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% only grow. 04:20.133 --> 04:22.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: And Lisa joins me now. 04:22.733 --> 04:23.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Lisa, what a day. 04:23.966 --> 04:25.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You were up on the Capitol all day. 04:25.933 --> 04:29.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% So, where do things stand right now in the Senate efforts to work with the White House? 04:29.333 --> 04:31.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% LISA DESJARDINS: All right. 04:31.366 --> 04:34.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% So, Senator Dick Durbin told me that he will unveil legislative text of this kind of gang 04:34.400 --> 04:37.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of six bipartisan bill tomorrow. 04:37.166 --> 04:41.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Senator Graham, his partner in those talks, told me he trying to woo Republicans and that 04:41.033 --> 04:45.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% he is open to try and toughen it, maybe with some kind of guarantees of how they could 04:45.200 --> 04:46.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% deport felons, for example. 04:46.866 --> 04:48.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He's thinking about that. 04:48.333 --> 04:50.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Now, will this all lead to a shutdown? 04:50.400 --> 04:53.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Will Democrats withhold their votes in the Senate if they don't get a DACA deal? 04:53.266 --> 04:58.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% One senator, Sheldon Whitehouse, told me if they think there is progress, maybe then they 04:59.933 --> 05:02.033 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% could support a funding bill, but right now they don't see that progress. 05:02.033 --> 05:06.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: So you're telling me, Lisa, what you're picking up is that things seem 05:06.100 --> 05:08.933 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% to be moving in a more conservative direction in all of this? 05:08.933 --> 05:11.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% LISA DESJARDINS: Yes. 05:11.433 --> 05:13.800 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% And I think that's because of what the president said last week and its effect on the House. 05:13.800 --> 05:17.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% The president's remarks were essentially a boulder to a very fragile compromise trying 05:17.933 --> 05:19.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to be built on the House side. 05:19.866 --> 05:23.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Now, instead of them talking about this kind of Durbin-Graham compromise, what I heard 05:23.900 --> 05:27.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% from a House source today, someone who is generally pretty moderate, they said that 05:27.766 --> 05:32.766 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% work is -- that deal is not possible because they said a DACA path to citizenship is something 05:34.200 --> 05:35.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% they won't accept. 05:35.366 --> 05:37.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% That used to be middle ground. 05:37.300 --> 05:41.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% So, if that, in fact, is really where the lines have changed, the two sides are very 05:41.100 --> 05:43.133 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% far part. 05:43.133 --> 05:45.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Now, also, Marc Short from the White House met with House Republican number two, Kevin 05:45.866 --> 05:47.533 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% McCarthy, today. 05:47.533 --> 05:50.866 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% That's the White House signaling, hey, we're working with the House. 05:50.866 --> 05:52.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're not reaching out to the Senate. 05:52.233 --> 05:54.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So , we see that divide right now. 05:54.766 --> 05:57.533 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And on the spending bill, you're hearing House Republicans thinking of adding 05:57.533 --> 05:58.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% something to that? 05:58.533 --> 06:00.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% LISA DESJARDINS: Right. 06:00.633 --> 06:02.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% So, if the DACA impasse is too great, and they have a real problem there, how do they 06:02.466 --> 06:04.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% pass a spending bill? 06:04.566 --> 06:08.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% House Republicans tonight will talk to their conference about adding a six-year extension 06:08.300 --> 06:10.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of the CHIP, Children's Health Insurance Program. 06:10.700 --> 06:12.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That's something many people want. 06:12.800 --> 06:16.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And also, listen to this, Judy, a five-year repeal of the medical device tax. 06:16.766 --> 06:19.633 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% That's something that Republicans have disliked for many years. 06:19.633 --> 06:21.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It was part of the Affordable Care Act. 06:21.700 --> 06:25.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% They may add that as a sort of sweetener to pass a short-term funding bill. 06:25.966 --> 06:26.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But can any of this work? 06:26.966 --> 06:28.666 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% It's unclear. 06:28.666 --> 06:32.033 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% Tonight, I think, Judy, we're actually closer to a government shutdown. 06:32.033 --> 06:34.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% But it's Tuesday. 06:34.166 --> 06:37.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I think that, honestly, if you read how these things work, really, it's Wednesday 06:37.133 --> 06:38.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and Thursday that matter the most. 06:38.633 --> 06:39.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Things are changing almost hourly. 06:39.733 --> 06:41.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% LISA DESJARDINS: Yes, they are. 06:41.000 --> 06:42.366 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% That's right. 06:42.366 --> 06:43.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Lisa Desjardins, thanks very much. 06:43.666 --> 06:46.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% LISA DESJARDINS: You're welcome. 06:46.266 --> 06:49.566 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Also today, the Trump administration appealed a federal judge's ruling that blocked 06:49.566 --> 06:52.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the president's decision ending the DACA program. 06:52.233 --> 06:57.233 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% It is also asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review the issue, even before an appeals court 06:58.300 --> 07:00.366 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% rules. 07:00.366 --> 07:03.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Tomorrow, I will talk with Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois about this immigration debate 07:03.866 --> 07:05.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and about President Trump's comments.