WEBVTT 00:01.933 --> 00:04.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Let's hear about the fallout of all of this and how it's playing out in 00:04.066 --> 00:08.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the heartland from the governor of Ohio, Mike DeWine. 00:08.500 --> 00:13.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% He tested negative for the coronavirus last night, just hours after testing positive. 00:14.900 --> 00:17.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And, Governor, we're glad to know that you did test negative. 00:17.600 --> 00:22.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And I want to ask you about testing in just a moment, but let's start with the economy 00:22.133 --> 00:27.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and employment, because we do have new unemployment numbers out today. They did slightly improve 00:27.733 --> 00:29.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% this past month. 00:29.700 --> 00:33.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But, overall, as you just heard, a lot of Americans still feeling very stressed. Tell 00:35.800 --> 00:38.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% us what you're hearing from Ohioans about the jobs picture and unemployment. 00:38.633 --> 00:43.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% GOV. MIKE DEWINE (R-OH): Well, we have some people like those that you just interviewed 00:45.100 --> 00:48.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who are very worried. They're worried about paying the rent. 00:51.166 --> 00:54.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% When we look at our state revenues that are coming in, one of the things that our economists 00:56.433 --> 01:00.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% say is that it's clear that this money that Congress -- extra money, extra unemployment 01:02.300 --> 01:07.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% money, was very valuable for the individuals who got it and was also, frankly, very valuable 01:08.933 --> 01:11.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% for the economy and for other people, so it had a real ripple effect. 01:11.400 --> 01:15.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% People spent it. And it really was very, very significant. 01:15.100 --> 01:20.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So, we hope Congress comes up with a compromise here and gets something done. 01:20.066 --> 01:22.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Governor, let's talk about your test. 01:22.600 --> 01:26.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% As we said, you first tested positive yesterday, then negative. And I understand you're going 01:26.100 --> 01:31.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% to have another test tomorrow. What does this experience, though, tell you about the state 01:32.233 --> 01:34.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of testing right now in this country? 01:34.766 --> 01:38.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% GOV. MIKE DEWINE: You know, Judy, the second test I had, which is kind of the gold standard, 01:40.833 --> 01:43.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% is the test that almost every one of your viewers who are watching this, at least those 01:43.500 --> 01:46.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% from Ohio, have gotten. 01:46.366 --> 01:51.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% About 1.3 million Ohioans have been tested. Over 90 percent have been this particular 01:53.366 --> 01:57.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% type of test. So, the first test I took was a quick test. And not all quick tests are 01:59.800 --> 02:01.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the same. But this was an antigen test. 02:01.966 --> 02:04.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I'm not a scientist, but what they tell me is that you're -- basically, they're measuring 02:04.633 --> 02:09.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the protein which is on the coronavirus itself. And they're not as reliable. I'm told they're 02:12.066 --> 02:14.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% roughly 70 percent reliable. 02:14.266 --> 02:19.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Usually, if it's wrong, it's a false negative. I guess I'm one of the strange ones, I got 02:21.233 --> 02:25.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% a false positive. But the test that we took yesterday at Ohio State afterwards -- and 02:27.033 --> 02:31.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% then they ran it twice -- and my wife was tested as well -- that really is the gold 02:33.766 --> 02:35.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% standard. And it's what most people, the test most people have received. 02:35.866 --> 02:40.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I think all the states are really looking at, how do we improve the testing, but how 02:42.833 --> 02:46.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% do we ramp this testing up? And this antigen test may play a role. We're looking at it 02:47.866 --> 02:49.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to see maybe how we can use it. 02:49.900 --> 02:54.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But you have to accept the fact that you get a quick result, but the result is not nearly 02:56.000 --> 02:59.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as reliable as it would be in a diagnostic test. 02:59.733 --> 03:03.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, I know you and five other governors have just come together to sign 03:03.500 --> 03:08.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I guess a kind of a compact where, you're going to work together, pool your resources 03:08.066 --> 03:13.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to try to ramp up testing in all five or six of these states. 03:15.100 --> 03:18.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But here we are, Governor, we are more than six months into when the first case of COVID 03:20.400 --> 03:23.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% was discovered in the United States, and we still are behind on testing. 03:25.866 --> 03:29.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Should something have been done sooner at the national level or in some nationally coordinated 03:30.733 --> 03:32.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% way to get us to a better place than we are right now? 03:32.700 --> 03:37.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% GOV. MIKE DEWINE: Well, Judy, we all wish we had more testing. It's been a problem for 03:37.133 --> 03:39.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% most states, maybe all states. 03:39.233 --> 03:44.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% We have lagged behind in testing. Frankly, we have never been a state that was red hot. 03:46.233 --> 03:50.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So, the priorities have never been towards Ohio. And we like it that way, in the sense 03:51.933 --> 03:55.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we don't want to be red hot. But we need more testing in Ohio. 03:55.733 --> 04:00.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Now, we have tripled the testing in Ohio. We're averaging now about 22,000, 23,000 tests 04:02.600 --> 04:04.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% a day. Frankly, we need to double it again, and then we probably need to double it after 04:04.800 --> 04:06.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% that. 04:06.833 --> 04:09.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So, we're moving. We're trying to grow some of our own, in the sense of expanding our 04:09.666 --> 04:14.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% labs in Ohio. I try to own some of that. We're also reaching out to a lot of different companies. 04:16.600 --> 04:20.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% The market is starting to move, finally. More companies are offering different types of 04:21.366 --> 04:23.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% tests that are out there. 04:23.400 --> 04:26.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But the lesson, I think, from what happened with me is, we have got to be careful. We 04:26.566 --> 04:30.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% have got to make sure we have got reliable tests. And we have got to try to get our times 04:30.766 --> 04:35.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% down. It's two things, get our tests back quicker and also get more tests and more capacity. 04:37.700 --> 04:42.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% That, plus the social distancing and wearing the masks, those are the three things, the 04:44.700 --> 04:48.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% masks, the social distancing and the quicker tests, and get those tests back, that's the 04:49.700 --> 04:53.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% key to us being able to go out and resume our lives. 04:55.400 --> 04:58.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I tell people, that's the -- that's freedom. The masks are freedom. Social distancing gives 05:00.133 --> 05:02.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% us freedom, and these tests give us freedom. 05:02.166 --> 05:05.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Governor, there have been a couple of in-depth reports that have been 05:05.566 --> 05:10.100 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% published in the last few days looking at why the United States, with all of our resources 05:10.100 --> 05:15.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and all of our wealth, is one of the worst countries on the planet with regard to COVID. 05:16.533 --> 05:21.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it points to mistakes made in the beginning and throughout. 05:24.166 --> 05:28.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% What do you look to here? I know we don't - - you said a moment ago you don't want to 05:28.000 --> 05:33.000 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% spend a lot of time looking back, but could, should Washington, should the leadership at 05:35.066 --> 05:39.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% the national level have been more forceful in taking this seriously and getting people 05:40.700 --> 05:43.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to respond and pouring more resources into it? 05:43.200 --> 05:46.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% GOV. MIKE DEWINE: Judy, I think there's a couple of big lessons that we need to take 05:46.433 --> 05:48.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% away from this. 05:48.633 --> 05:53.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% One lesson is, we have to invest in public health. Democrats and Republicans alike have 05:55.633 --> 05:58.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% not invested in public health the way we should. We have got to do it at the national level. 05:58.066 --> 06:01.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% We have got to do it at the state level. And we have got to be committed to that for the 06:01.733 --> 06:04.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% long run. 06:04.266 --> 06:07.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And the other, of course, long-term lesson is, we can't rely on other countries to manufacture 06:07.000 --> 06:12.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% all our products that we need in regard to medical care. We have got to make more of 06:13.833 --> 06:15.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% them right here in the United States. 06:15.800 --> 06:19.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And, finally, Governor, very quickly, presidential election. 06:19.333 --> 06:24.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% President Trump was in Ohio yesterday talking about the campaign. Among other things, he 06:26.333 --> 06:30.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% spoke about Joe Biden, said that Joe Biden is against the Bible, against God, that he 06:32.233 --> 06:34.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% wants to hurt God. 06:34.333 --> 06:38.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Is this the kind of message that you think is the path to victory for the president? 06:38.566 --> 06:43.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% GOV. MIKE DEWINE: I think the path to victory is for the president to focus on the basic 06:43.166 --> 06:45.600 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% things. 06:45.600 --> 06:49.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The president -- until this coronavirus came along, our economy was doing well. I'm optimistic, 06:51.866 --> 06:54.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% we get this thing behind us, we are going to see our economy flip back. I think the 06:54.766 --> 06:59.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% president needs to talk about that, his vision there. 06:59.500 --> 07:04.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% For those of us who are more conservative, we're very happy with his court appointments 07:06.500 --> 07:09.733 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% to the -- to not just the Supreme Court, but to the circuit court and the district courts. 07:09.733 --> 07:14.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I think those are the -- some of the things that the president will focus on. 07:14.100 --> 07:17.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: We're going to leave it there, Governor Mike DeWine of Ohio. 07:17.833 --> 07:19.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% GOV. MIKE DEWINE: Thanks, Judy. 07:19.333 --> 07:20.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And, again, glad that test came back negative. 07:20.300 --> 07:21.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Thank you. 07:21.300 --> 07:21.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% GOV. MIKE DEWINE: Thanks, Judy.