WEBVTT 00:00.600 --> 00:01.334 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> Thompson: JOINING ME NOW FOR 00:01.334 --> 00:02.936 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% MORE ON THIS DEVELOPING STORY IS 00:02.936 --> 00:04.371 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ZOLAN KANNO-YOUNGS, HOMELAND 00:04.371 --> 00:05.672 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% SECURITY REPORTER FOR THE "NEW 00:05.672 --> 00:06.406 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% YORK TIMES." 00:06.406 --> 00:07.273 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I WANTED TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH 00:07.273 --> 00:08.408 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% FOR BEING WITH US. 00:08.408 --> 00:09.209 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 00:09.209 --> 00:09.909 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> Thompson: I WANTED TO FIRST 00:09.909 --> 00:11.277 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ASK YOU ABOUT McALEENAN'S 00:11.277 --> 00:13.246 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% TENURE, HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS. 00:13.246 --> 00:14.447 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I MEAN, DURING HIS SIX MONTHS ON 00:14.447 --> 00:16.249 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THE JOB, HE LARGELY DELIVERED 00:16.249 --> 00:17.617 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED DOWN 00:17.617 --> 00:19.352 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER, RIGHT? 00:19.352 --> 00:20.987 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> YES, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO 00:20.987 --> 00:24.224 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% REMEMBER THE TIME IN WHICH KEVIN 00:24.224 --> 00:26.159 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% McALEENAN ASSUMED THE POSITION 00:26.159 --> 00:27.427 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AS THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF 00:27.427 --> 00:28.661 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HOMELAND SECURITY. 00:28.661 --> 00:29.662 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY 00:29.662 --> 00:31.364 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% KIRSTEN NEILSEN HAD JUST BEEN 00:31.364 --> 00:33.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% FORCED OUT OF THE POSITION BY 00:33.533 --> 00:34.934 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THE PRESIDENT, WHO WAS 00:34.934 --> 00:36.636 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% INFURIATED OVER THE NUMBER OF 00:36.636 --> 00:38.772 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BORDER CROSSINGS OCCURRING AT 00:38.772 --> 00:40.874 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THE SOUTHWEST BORDER. 00:40.874 --> 00:43.243 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% IN MAY, THERE WERE ABOUT 144... 00:43.243 --> 00:45.912 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% MORE THAN 144,000 ENFORCEMENT 00:45.912 --> 00:48.348 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ACTIONS AT THE SOUTHWEST BORDER. 00:48.348 --> 00:49.749 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% NOW LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE. 00:49.749 --> 00:50.984 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THOSE APPREHENSIONS HAVE 00:50.984 --> 00:53.653 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% DECLINED BY MORE THAN 60%. 00:53.653 --> 00:55.055 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THINGS HAVE RELATIVELY CALMED 00:55.055 --> 00:56.790 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% DOWN AT THE BORDER. 00:56.790 --> 00:58.992 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WAS 00:58.992 --> 01:01.995 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% FRICTION BETWEEN HIM AND THE 01:01.995 --> 01:03.530 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% PRESIDENT AND WHITE HOUSE 01:03.530 --> 01:05.465 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ADVISER STEPHEN MILLER, KNOWN AS 01:05.465 --> 01:06.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THE ARCHITECT OF THE PRESIDENT'S 01:06.866 --> 01:08.034 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% IMMIGRATION AGENDA. 01:08.034 --> 01:09.769 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% IN THE END, KEVIN McALEENAN, 01:09.769 --> 01:10.904 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WHILE HE DID BRING BORDER 01:10.904 --> 01:13.339 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% CROSSINGS DOWN, HE DID HAVE-- HE 01:13.339 --> 01:14.474 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% DID TAKE ISSUE WITH SOME OF THE 01:14.474 --> 01:15.909 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% INITIATIVES THAT OTHERS AROUND 01:15.909 --> 01:17.544 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HIM WANTED TO PUSH. 01:17.544 --> 01:18.344 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> Thompson: CAN YOU TALK A 01:18.344 --> 01:19.512 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? 01:19.512 --> 01:21.014 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I MEAN, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE 01:21.014 --> 01:22.082 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% INITIATIVES THAT HE WAS A LITTLE 01:22.082 --> 01:23.450 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BIT MORE RESISTANT TO DURING HIS 01:23.450 --> 01:24.751 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% TIME? 01:24.751 --> 01:25.685 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> WELL, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT 01:25.685 --> 01:28.755 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% EARLIER THIS YEAR THERE WAS A 01:28.755 --> 01:30.990 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% PUSH BY-- PARTICULARLY THE WHITE 01:30.990 --> 01:32.692 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HOUSE, AS WELL AS MARK MORGAN, 01:32.692 --> 01:35.161 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WHO WAS LEADING ICE AT THE TIME, 01:35.161 --> 01:36.329 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% IS NOW LEADING CUSTOMS AND 01:36.329 --> 01:38.431 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BORDER PROTECTION-- TO LAUNCH A 01:38.431 --> 01:41.534 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% NATIONWIDE SWEEP-UP OF MIGRANT 01:41.534 --> 01:42.702 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% FAMILIES WHO HAD RECENTLY 01:42.702 --> 01:44.270 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% CROSSED THE BORDER, THE ICE 01:44.270 --> 01:47.240 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% RAIDS THAT-- AS THEY WERE CALLED 01:47.240 --> 01:48.274 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AT THAT TIME. 01:48.274 --> 01:49.476 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, KEVIN 01:49.476 --> 01:50.477 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% McALEENAN DIDN'T WANT THAT TO 01:50.477 --> 01:51.411 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HAPPEN. 01:51.411 --> 01:52.645 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THE IDEA THAT THE PRESIDENT 01:52.645 --> 01:54.948 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WOULD CUT STATE DEPARTMENT AID 01:54.948 --> 01:57.217 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% TO CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES, 01:57.217 --> 01:58.718 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THIS WAS SOMEBODY-- KEVIN 01:58.718 --> 02:00.720 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% McALEENAN-- WHO BELIEVED IN 02:00.720 --> 02:04.090 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ADDRESSING THE ROOT CAUSES OF 02:04.090 --> 02:05.825 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THE REASONS OF WHICH PEOPLE 02:05.825 --> 02:07.327 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% LEAVE CENTRAL AMERICAN 02:07.327 --> 02:08.027 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% COUNTRIES. 02:08.027 --> 02:09.195 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HE BELIEVED IN STATE DEPARTMENT 02:09.195 --> 02:10.196 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AID AND WAS DISAPPOINTED WHEN 02:10.196 --> 02:11.397 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THAT WAS CUT. 02:11.397 --> 02:13.399 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AT THE SAME TIME, KEVIN 02:13.399 --> 02:15.568 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% McALEENAN DID OVERSEE THE 02:15.568 --> 02:17.137 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 02:17.137 --> 02:19.172 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WHEN SOME OF THE MORE AGGRESSIVE 02:19.172 --> 02:21.975 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% INITIATIVES WERE IMPLEMENTED AND 02:21.975 --> 02:22.809 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% EXPANDED. 02:22.809 --> 02:24.277 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> Thompson: HE WAS AN ACTING 02:24.277 --> 02:25.078 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% SECRETARY. 02:25.078 --> 02:27.447 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HE WAS NEVER NOMINATED FOR FULL 02:27.447 --> 02:28.681 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% CONFIRMATION. 02:28.681 --> 02:29.849 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I MEAN, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE 02:29.849 --> 02:30.950 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 02:30.950 --> 02:32.652 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% TO BE WITHOUT A PERMANENT HEAD 02:32.652 --> 02:34.053 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% FOR SO LONG? 02:34.053 --> 02:35.188 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> NOT JUST HIM, EITHER. 02:35.188 --> 02:35.688 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% YOU HAVE TO LOOK. 02:35.688 --> 02:37.090 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% SO, THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT 02:37.090 --> 02:38.558 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% OF HOMELAND SECURITY: HIM, 02:38.558 --> 02:39.592 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ACTING POSITION. 02:39.592 --> 02:40.994 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HEAD OF U.S.C.I.S.: KEN 02:40.994 --> 02:42.862 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% CUCCINELLI, ACTING POSITION. 02:42.862 --> 02:44.264 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% MARK MORGAN: THE HEAD OF CUSTOMS 02:44.264 --> 02:45.798 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AND BORDER PROTECTION, ACTING 02:45.798 --> 02:46.699 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% POSITION. 02:46.699 --> 02:48.001 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HEAD OF ICE RIGHT NOW: MATT 02:48.001 --> 02:49.736 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ALBERT, ACTING POSITION. 02:49.736 --> 02:51.204 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WHAT THAT HAS DONE TO THE AGENCY 02:51.204 --> 02:52.071 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% IF YOU TALK TO CAREER 02:52.071 --> 02:54.340 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% OFFICIALS IN THE AGENCY, IT HAS 02:54.340 --> 02:55.742 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% CREATED A SENSE WHERE THERE IS 02:55.742 --> 02:57.277 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AN INSTABILITY OF LEADERSHIP 02:57.277 --> 02:58.011 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% RIGHT NOW. 02:58.011 --> 02:59.078 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AND, REMEMBER, WE'RE ALSO 02:59.078 --> 03:00.380 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% TALKING ABOUT D.H.S. 03:00.380 --> 03:01.781 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AND D.H.S. WAS CREATED IN THE 03:01.781 --> 03:03.116 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WAKE OF THE SEPTEMBER 11 03:03.116 --> 03:04.951 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ATTACKS, AND IT WAS NOT CREATED 03:04.951 --> 03:07.754 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% TO BE SOLELY A IMMIGRATION 03:07.754 --> 03:09.289 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, WHICH MANY 03:09.289 --> 03:11.691 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WOULD SAY IS WHAT IT HAS BECOME 03:11.691 --> 03:13.092 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP. 03:13.092 --> 03:14.494 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AND IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY 03:14.494 --> 03:16.362 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THINGS OUTSIDE OF THAT, WHETHER 03:16.362 --> 03:17.830 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% IT BE CYBER-SECURITY, DISASTER 03:17.830 --> 03:19.632 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% RELIEF, AS WELL AS SECURING THE 03:19.632 --> 03:21.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% COUNTRY AND INFORMATION SHARING 03:21.000 --> 03:22.769 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% IN REGARDS TO TERRORISM. 03:22.769 --> 03:23.703 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> Thompson: ANY IDEAS ABOUT WHO 03:23.703 --> 03:25.071 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% MIGHT BE TAPPED NEXT FOR THE 03:25.071 --> 03:26.506 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HOMELAND SECURITY JOB? 03:26.506 --> 03:27.307 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> THERE'S A LOT OF NAMES THAT 03:27.307 --> 03:28.241 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HAVE BEEN FLOATED. 03:28.241 --> 03:30.410 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I MEAN, IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT 03:30.410 --> 03:31.711 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% INDIVIDUALS LIKE KEN CUCCINELLI 03:31.711 --> 03:34.347 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AND MARK MORGAN DISPLAY THE 03:34.347 --> 03:35.615 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% RHETORIC THAT PLEASES THE 03:35.615 --> 03:36.216 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% PRESIDENT. 03:36.216 --> 03:37.383 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% LET'S REMEMBER HOW THEY GOT THE 03:37.383 --> 03:37.817 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% JOB. 03:37.817 --> 03:39.152 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THEY WENT ON FOX NEWS AND 03:39.152 --> 03:40.653 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ADVOCATED FOR THE PRESIDENT'S 03:40.653 --> 03:41.454 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% POLICIES. 03:41.454 --> 03:42.755 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I MEAN, PREVIOUSLY, A VACANCY 03:42.755 --> 03:44.591 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ACT THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE 03:44.591 --> 03:45.558 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% STRICTLY FOLLOWED. 03:45.558 --> 03:47.026 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HOWEVER, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT 03:47.026 --> 03:49.596 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THERE WERE RULES CHANGED BY THE 03:49.596 --> 03:52.098 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WHITE HOUSE WITH THE COOPERATION 03:52.098 --> 03:53.132 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% OF SENIOR HOMELAND SECURITY 03:53.132 --> 03:56.502 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% OFFICIALS TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT 03:56.502 --> 03:58.004 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WOULD NOT NEED TO GO TO THE NEXT 03:58.004 --> 03:59.005 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% PERSON IN LINE. 03:59.005 --> 04:01.341 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THAT WOULD BE, RIGHT NOW, DAVID 04:01.341 --> 04:02.542 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% PEKOSKE, WHO IS THE DEPUTY 04:02.542 --> 04:04.177 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% SECRETARY, WHO IS IN AN ACTING 04:04.177 --> 04:05.678 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% POSITION. 04:05.678 --> 04:06.846 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO CHOOSE 04:06.846 --> 04:08.348 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WHO HE IS GOING TO CHOOSE. 04:08.348 --> 04:09.882 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I CAN TELL YOU, THOUGH, WHOEVER 04:09.882 --> 04:11.451 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% HE DOES CHOOSE, I THINK IT WILL 04:11.451 --> 04:13.953 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BE A WHILE BEFORE THAT PERSON IS 04:13.953 --> 04:15.221 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% NOMINATED, IF THEY'RE NOMINATED 04:15.221 --> 04:15.888 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AT ALL. 04:15.888 --> 04:16.389 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> Thompson: ZOLAN 04:16.389 --> 04:17.223 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% KANNO-YOUNGS WITH THE "NEW YORK 04:17.223 --> 04:18.157 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% TIMES," THANK YOU SO MUCH 04:18.157 --> 04:19.225 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% FOR BEING WITH US. 04:19.225 --> 04:20.159 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% >> THANK YOU.