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Thank you.

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I play Hermes,
messenger to the gods,

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in the Tony Award-winning
for best musical Broadway Show

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"Hadestown."

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♪

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I am the guy who won

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his first Tony at age 73.

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I was not
surprised

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that it took
7 decades

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for me to
arrive

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at this particular
zenith in my career.

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This simply means there are
many more golden steps

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for me to take on my journey.

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I've only begun.

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♪

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Hi, everyone.
This is "Beyond the Canvas"

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from "The PBS Newshour."

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I'm Amna Nawaz

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Tonight it is all

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about the innovators.

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Now you just heard

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from award-winning actor
André De Shields,

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star of the hit Broadway musical
"Hadestown"

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in which he plays
the Greek god Hermes,

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and his performance
has captivated audiences

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in New York and beyond
since 2019.

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Also tonight, you'll hear
from chef and content creator

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Joanne Lee Molinaro,

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groundbreaking comedian Ziwe,

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musician and singer Arooj Aftab,

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and architect Julie Bargmann.

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Each of these artists
has brought something new

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to their artform,
whether they're making space

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for conversations about racism
through comedy

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or creating vegan versions
of traditional Korean dishes.

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It is their innovation
that challenges expectations,

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breaks down barriers,

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and moves us all forward.

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Now the people you're
about to meet

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were first featured
on "The PBS Newshour."

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Tonight, you'll meet them
on a new canvas

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and maybe see them
and their work

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through a different lens

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right here
on "Beyond the Canvas."

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Now back to this brief
but spectacular take

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from André De Shields.

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De Shields:
I made a vow to myself

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that if I was going to have
any personal success in life

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the first thing I had to do
was make education my beacon,

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to master the language
of those who would oppress me.

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Why? So that I could
always understand

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what was being said to me
and about me

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and I could always
make myself understood.

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I'm a hard-working Black man.

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All audiences enjoy
hard-working Black men.

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Drop on your knee,
sweat a little, smile.

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♪

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But the legacy
that I'm creating,

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the legacy that I want
people to embrace is

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Black man majesty.

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There isn't enough of it
in the world.

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It got smothered...

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♪

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During enslavement.

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It's time for it...
to come back.

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[Cheering and applause]

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My name is André De Shields,

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and this is my brief
but spectacular take

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on living
my most authentic life.

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Like De Shields,
Arooj Aftab is finding

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innovative ways to pull
from her own culture and past

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but pave her own way
into the future.

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An experimental musician
from Pakistan,

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Aftab brings a creative twist

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to the traditional
Sufi music tradition.

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She incorporates synthesizers
and jazz music into her work,

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creating a new genre
she calls neo-Sufi music.

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"PBS Newshour"
special correspondent

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Tom Casciato
spoke with Aftab

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abut giving new life
to an old artform.

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[Singing in Urdu]

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♪

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Casciato: Arooj Aftab recently
debuted work

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from her latest album
at a concert

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at Brooklyn's Pioneer Works.

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Her compositions are personal,

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her performance intimate,

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but it was far
from a solo effort.

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♪

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Aftab: The way that
I like to kind of

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produce this music
is leaving space

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for the band.

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We're all involved
in telling a story

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from the moment
the song starts

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until the very end.

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Casciato: Still, the band is
executing a vision

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of which she is in command.

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Aftab: To even
actually conceptualize

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a band like that is
a creative work.

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♪

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Especially
a singer-composer

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who doesn't actively
play an instrument,

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there is this sentiment
in the industry

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of, like, kind of
discrediting women

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for the work
that they do.

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You have to kind of
overstate

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that you're not
just a singer.

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You are also
the composer,

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you're also
the producer,

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you're also
the arranger.

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Casciato: She's also unwilling
to let others define her.

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♪

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She sings mostly in Urdu,

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her lyrics drawn from poetry
often centuries old.

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Her music draws
from seemingly everywhere.

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For example, she'll bring
nontraditional instruments

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like synthesizer and lever harp

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to a traditional
South Asian poetic form

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like the ghazal.

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She's even given her style
its own name, neo-Sufi.

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♪

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Aftab: It's not
South Asian

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classical music, like,
fused with jazz.

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It's like--it's living
in its own world

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of, like, a marriage
of many roots

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and heritages,
so I was kind of like

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"I need to, like, name
this right now," you know?

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Take ahold of it.
Yeah.

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Casciato: Writing
of her recent album

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"Vulture Prince,"
the music site Pitchfork said

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she has "as much a claim
to the Western traditions

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"of jazz and experimental
electronica

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"as to the folk
and classical music

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of her homeland."

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The album is dedicated
to her younger brother Maher,

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who passed away in 2018.

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Aftab: When it's
a younger sibling,

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it's almost like
you're kind of--

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if they're
young enough,

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you know, you kind of
raised them, too,

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so it's like such
a weird--

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it's, like,
a weird sort of loss.

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♪

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Casciato: Her loss
and her art converge

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in a composition
called "Diya Hai,"

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its lyrics derived from a poem

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by the popular 19th century
Indian poet Mirza Ghalib.

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♪

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[Singing in Urdu]

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Aftab: And I loved
the poem itself,

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but it took me
a really long time

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to actually, like,
make it mine.

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♪

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When I was
workshopping it

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and trying to
figure it out, like,

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I was in Pakistan,

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I was hanging out
with Maher,

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and so it's
the last thing that

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I really sang
to him,

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and so that kind of
felt important to me

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that I should really
just, like,

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figure it out and put
it in the record.

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♪

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Casciato: There was a time
as a teenager

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in Lahore, Pakistan,
when it looked like

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she would never make a record.

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Accepted to Boston's prestigious
Berklee College of Music,

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Aftab moved to the States
in 2005.

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She kept at her goal of becoming
a professional musician

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but got her degree
in music production

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and engineering.

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Aftab says for her next album
she'd like to explore

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the writings
of a medieval Indian ruler

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and warrior called Chand Bibi.

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Aftab: She was one
of the only and first

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female, feminist,
warrior, politician badass,

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who, like, released
an anthology of poems.

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I like the fact that
her work

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has never been put
to song.

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And do you relate
to feminist badass warriors?

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I think so.
I think that, you know,

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we all probably came
from her.

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Casciato: Maybe that's
where Arooj Aftab came from.

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Where she's taking
her audience is somewhere new.

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I'm Tom Casciato
for "The PBS Newshour"

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in Brooklyn, New York.

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[Singing in Urdu]

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♪

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Next, another artist
who is revisiting the past

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for a better future.

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For over 25 years,

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landscape architect
Julie Bargmann and her team

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have taken polluted
and deserted sites

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and transformed them
into beautiful landscapes

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and community spaces.

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She is now
the first ever recipient

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of the International Landscape
Architecture Prize.

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"PBS Newshour's"
chief arts correspondent

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Jeffrey Brown learned
how Bargmann reimagines

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and revitalizes the spaces
all around us

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all across the United States.

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Brown: Orange, polluted streams,

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bare trees and riverbanks,

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an abandoned coal mine
in Vintondale, Pennsylvania.

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An ugly wasteland, right?

09:10.133 --> 09:12.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Landscape architect
Julie Bargmann saw more.

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It's just not a lump
of toxic stuff.

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It's a story.

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I find that that's
where I go.

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I want to tell the past
in order to project

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something
for the future.

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Brown: Bargmann has strong views
and a sense of humor.

09:28.033 --> 09:29.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
She named
her professional studio D.I.R.T.

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for Dump it Right There,

09:32.433 --> 09:33.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and she happily embraces
one nickname--

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the Queen of Slag,

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a leftover byproduct
from the mining of metals.

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If I could make
a crown out of slag,

09:41.366 --> 09:41.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I'd be very happy.

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I mean, I think it's
a recognition

09:44.800 --> 09:46.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of the industrial
territory that

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I ventured into.

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Brown: Now she's
the first ever recipient

09:51.533 --> 09:53.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of an international
landscape architecture prize

09:54.400 --> 09:55.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
given to honor her work
as a designer,

09:56.333 --> 09:57.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
educator, and activist

09:58.466 --> 10:00.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
in addressing abandoned
toxic, industrial,

10:01.066 --> 10:02.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
and urban sites.

10:03.366 --> 10:04.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Bargmann lives and works
in Charlottesville, Virginia,

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and has taught
at the University of Virginia

10:07.600 --> 10:09.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
for 25 years.

10:10.533 --> 10:11.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
She often takes
her architecture students

10:12.433 --> 10:13.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
to scummy toxic sites

10:14.933 --> 10:16.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
most have never
experienced before,

10:17.500 --> 10:19.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
but it all began for her
in a very different landscape

10:20.166 --> 10:20.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
as a child in New Jersey.

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She remembers looking out
the window of her parents' car

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in wonder at a vast,
smoke-filled industrial scene.

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Bargmann: It was
a landscape

10:30.100 --> 10:30.900 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
that I was
surrounded by,

10:31.500 --> 10:32.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
the refineries.

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In essence,
they felt like home,

10:36.366 --> 10:36.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and they felt like
a landscape that,

10:38.133 --> 10:39.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
unbeknownst to me
at that early age,

10:39.900 --> 10:40.900 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
would eventually
work with.

10:42.366 --> 10:43.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Brown: The Cultural Landscape
Foundation cites Vintondale,

10:44.566 --> 10:46.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
as well as
3 more recent projects--

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Turtle Creek Water Works
in Dallas,

10:50.000 --> 10:51.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
a sustainable garden space
in the remains

10:52.433 --> 10:55.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of an industrial pump station
active in the 1920s;

10:56.800 --> 10:58.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the Philadelphia headquarters
of clothing retailer

10:58.733 --> 10:59.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Urban Outfitters

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at a decommissioned navy yard

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for which Bargmann created
a 15-acre campus,

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including reusing on-site
demolition debris;

11:09.400 --> 11:10.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and Core City Park in Detroit,

11:12.100 --> 11:13.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
where Bargmann worked
with a local developer

11:14.600 --> 11:16.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to turn an unused parking lot
into a community space

11:17.466 --> 11:18.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and urban woodland.

11:20.000 --> 11:22.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
As always, she incorporated
components of its past,

11:23.133 --> 11:25.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
a fire station dating
to the 1800s.

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Bargmann: There were
such simple means

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of revealing the earth,

11:29.666 --> 11:31.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
which was
a former engine house,

11:32.066 --> 11:33.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
as paving,
and then these trees

11:34.200 --> 11:34.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
coming up out of it.

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I mean, there was
a big cornerstone

11:37.866 --> 11:40.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of the engine house
that said, "1893."

11:41.733 --> 11:42.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Now a lot of people
might have put that

11:43.733 --> 11:46.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
on a plaque, like, really
made it fancy pants,

11:47.400 --> 11:48.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
you know, but instead,
I said,

11:48.933 --> 11:49.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
"Dump it right there."

11:50.733 --> 11:52.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I put--I said, "Just
put it on the ground.

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Just make it go
back to work."

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Brown: That is the continuity
of work a site has seen

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and the continuity
of the life of people

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in and around it.

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"These sites," she says,
were once productive.

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Now let's keep them productive
in a new way."

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When you think back
to that young girl

12:14.033 --> 12:15.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
looking out the window
at the industrial landscapes

12:16.366 --> 12:18.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
in New Jersey to now,
has it been

12:19.000 --> 12:19.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
rewarding work for you?

12:20.200 --> 12:21.433 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Love it.

12:22.466 --> 12:23.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Love it, love it,
love it.

12:24.100 --> 12:26.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I am just so happy

12:27.800 --> 12:29.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that for whatever reason
I followed my instinct.

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It's pretty fun,
you know, to be

12:34.666 --> 12:36.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
a bit of a pioneer
and just--

12:37.600 --> 12:38.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
and experiencing
these amazing,

12:39.666 --> 12:41.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
sublime landscapes.

12:42.033 --> 12:44.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
So fulfilling,
so fulfilling.

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Brown: Julie Bargmann
has now embarked

12:47.400 --> 12:49.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
on what she calls D.I.R.T. 2.0,

12:50.566 --> 12:52.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
focused on regenerating
currently underused spaces

12:53.300 --> 12:54.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
in depopulated cities.

12:56.066 --> 12:58.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
For "The PBS Newshour,"
I'm Jeffrey Brown.

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Up next is comedian Ziwe,

13:06.566 --> 13:08.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
who found groundbreaking ways
to engage audiences

13:09.666 --> 13:10.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
in difficult
but necessary conversations

13:11.533 --> 13:12.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
about race and racism.

13:13.800 --> 13:14.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
In the summer of 2020
at the peak

13:16.100 --> 13:17.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of the Black Lives Matter
protests,

13:18.233 --> 13:19.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Ziwe brought her craft
to Instagram Live.

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Across the United States
and the world,

13:23.300 --> 13:25.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
audiences tuned in to hear
Ziwe's probing questions

13:26.300 --> 13:26.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and then stuck around each week

13:28.100 --> 13:28.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
to see how guests
would handle them.

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I spoke with Ziwe last year
about her series,

13:32.633 --> 13:33.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
how it led her
to even bigger things,

13:34.966 --> 13:37.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and how she's redefining
what comedy can do.

13:38.433 --> 13:39.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
What bothers you more--
slow walkers or racism?

13:40.700 --> 13:41.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
That's a real question?

13:42.633 --> 13:44.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Nawaz: Interviews
you can't look away from...

13:45.066 --> 13:45.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Amazing, love it.

13:46.300 --> 13:46.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Could we perhaps...

13:47.500 --> 13:48.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
make it Blacker?

13:49.033 --> 13:50.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Nawaz: skits
with an unflinching eye,

13:51.600 --> 13:53.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and songs you
won't soon forget...

13:54.633 --> 13:55.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Ziwe: ♪ Your wealth
trickled down ♪

13:56.200 --> 13:56.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
♪ Your money hit the floor ♪

13:57.800 --> 13:58.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Nawaz: all brought to you by...

13:58.933 --> 13:59.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Hi. I'm Ziwe.

14:00.733 --> 14:01.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Nawaz: in her new, self-titled

14:02.466 --> 14:03.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
comedy program on Showtime.

14:04.700 --> 14:07.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I've been doing this art
for 6 or 7 years,

14:08.433 --> 14:10.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and to--
and no one cared,

14:11.066 --> 14:11.833 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
no one watched
these videos,

14:12.700 --> 14:13.433 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
no one shared
my clips.

14:14.600 --> 14:15.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
It's honestly surreal
to see these dreams

14:16.466 --> 14:17.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
sort of realized.

14:18.766 --> 14:20.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Nawaz: 29-year-old comedian
Ziwe made a name for herself

14:21.400 --> 14:22.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
with a provocative
interview style.

14:23.466 --> 14:25.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Under what circumstances
would Black people look alike?

14:26.100 --> 14:26.633 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
If they were
wearing masks.

14:27.366 --> 14:28.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
The answer is families.

14:29.300 --> 14:30.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In families, black people
look alike.

14:31.333 --> 14:31.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Don't you think
Black people have families?

14:32.266 --> 14:33.100 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Yes.

14:34.433 --> 14:34.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Yes, you don't think
Black people have families?

14:35.033 --> 14:35.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Oh, no.

14:36.400 --> 14:37.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Announcer, deep voice: Baited!

14:37.833 --> 14:38.766 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Man: Hi!

14:40.033 --> 14:40.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Nawaz: Last year,
stuck at home in the pandemic,

14:41.400 --> 14:42.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
she took her craft
to Instagram Live,

14:43.966 --> 14:45.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
interviewing pop culture voices
like playwright Jeremy O. Harris

14:46.866 --> 14:48.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and actor and activist
Alyssa Milano.

14:49.633 --> 14:50.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
This is the first time
I've ever gone live.

14:51.500 --> 14:52.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Through a series
of direct questions on race,

14:54.166 --> 14:56.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Ziwe elicited
some illuminating answers.

14:56.900 --> 14:58.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Huey Newton.

14:59.533 --> 15:00.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I don't know who that is.

15:01.300 --> 15:02.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Stokely Carmichael.

15:03.533 --> 15:04.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I don't know who that is.

15:04.766 --> 15:05.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Black Lives Matter!

15:06.833 --> 15:07.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Nawaz: As America was gripped
by nationwide calls

15:08.166 --> 15:08.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
for racial justice,

15:09.400 --> 15:10.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Ziwe's work caught on.

15:11.733 --> 15:12.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Hundreds of thousands tuned in.

15:13.533 --> 15:15.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Do you think that
these conversations

15:16.566 --> 15:17.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
resonated
in a certain way,

15:18.166 --> 15:19.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
caught on the way they did

15:20.400 --> 15:21.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
because of what we were
going through as a country?

15:23.000 --> 15:24.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
So I think that
the racial uprisings

15:25.733 --> 15:28.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of 2020 really allowed
discussing race

15:29.666 --> 15:31.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
to be at the forefront
of American media,

15:32.200 --> 15:33.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and so that opened
people up to having

15:34.100 --> 15:34.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
these really intense
conversations

15:35.700 --> 15:36.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that ultimately are
long overdue.

15:37.866 --> 15:39.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
What makes
a good conversation for you?

15:40.833 --> 15:42.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I think ultimately
it has to be funny.

15:43.433 --> 15:43.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I want people to laugh
because I'm

15:44.500 --> 15:45.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
a professional comedian,

15:46.266 --> 15:47.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
but as far as
the actual, like--

15:48.033 --> 15:48.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the depth
of the conversation,

15:49.366 --> 15:50.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
all I'm looking for
is vulnerability

15:51.633 --> 15:52.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and honesty
because there's nothing

15:53.433 --> 15:55.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that we can manufacture
that is as vital

15:56.333 --> 15:56.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
as just everyone
putting their cards

15:57.266 --> 15:58.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
on the table.

15:59.066 --> 15:59.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Nawaz: Among her guests
some who'd been

16:00.900 --> 16:01.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
publicly condemned
for controversial comments...

16:02.166 --> 16:02.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
How are you doing?

16:03.966 --> 16:05.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I'm--honestly, I'm
really nervous.

16:05.866 --> 16:06.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Like food writer Alison Roman,

16:08.033 --> 16:09.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
formerly of "Bon Appétit"
and the "New York Times,"

16:10.466 --> 16:12.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
who faced a massive backlash
for insulting Marie Kondo,

16:13.500 --> 16:13.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
the decluttering guru,

16:14.700 --> 16:15.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and Chrissy Teigen,

16:16.400 --> 16:17.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
former model
turned lifestyle mogul,

16:18.000 --> 16:18.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
both of whom are Asian.

16:19.900 --> 16:21.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Now can you name
5 Asian people?

16:22.266 --> 16:23.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Uh, yes.

16:24.633 --> 16:24.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Ziwe, voice-over:
Alison Roman is not

16:25.866 --> 16:26.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
an anomaly,
so I think instead

16:27.166 --> 16:28.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of villainizing
her in particular

16:29.200 --> 16:31.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
it's better to really
talk about the society

16:32.466 --> 16:33.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and the constructs
which--that allow us

16:34.966 --> 16:35.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
to talk about race
in this way.

16:36.866 --> 16:37.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And one of the questions
you ask her,

16:38.933 --> 16:39.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
which is something you ask
a lot of your guests,

16:40.666 --> 16:41.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
is how many Black friends
to you have?

16:41.800 --> 16:43.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
I have, like...

16:44.033 --> 16:45.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
I would say 4-5
Black friends

16:46.566 --> 16:46.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that would pick me
up at the airport.

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4-5? You are
the third person

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to say they have
4-5 Black friends

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in the last week
to me.

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Why is that
a revealing question to you?

16:57.533 --> 16:58.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Ultimately, there is
no right answer,

16:59.600 --> 17:00.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and that's
intentional, right?

17:01.333 --> 17:03.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
That sort of
inability to win

17:04.400 --> 17:05.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
really sets the stage
for a really compelling

17:06.500 --> 17:07.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
conversation about race

17:08.033 --> 17:09.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
because suddenly
any response

17:10.666 --> 17:11.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that you give
is not only wrong,

17:12.400 --> 17:12.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
but it just is
more reflective

17:14.133 --> 17:16.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
over your inner ideas
and inner monologue.

17:17.366 --> 17:18.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Nawaz: Ziwe's own experiences
with racism

17:19.266 --> 17:20.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
inform her work today.

17:21.066 --> 17:21.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I am a Black woman.

17:23.100 --> 17:23.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I have had people
confronting me

17:24.700 --> 17:25.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
about race since I was
old enough to speak.

17:26.800 --> 17:27.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I've definitely been
at many a party

17:28.666 --> 17:29.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
where someone starts
bringing up

17:30.200 --> 17:31.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
their black friend
out of nowhere,

17:32.133 --> 17:32.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and you're looking
around like,

17:33.633 --> 17:35.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"Wait, sir.
Um, I just met you.

17:36.166 --> 17:36.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"Why are you talking
about this?

17:38.033 --> 17:38.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"Why are you
touching my hair?

17:39.300 --> 17:39.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Why are you calling
me chocolate?"

17:41.233 --> 17:42.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And so thinking
about these conversations

17:43.366 --> 17:44.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
as people of color
that we have

17:45.400 --> 17:46.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
all of our lives,
I'm just bringing

17:47.466 --> 17:49.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
this life experience,
this absurdity around race

17:50.033 --> 17:50.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to the screen.

17:51.466 --> 17:52.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Nawaz: Ziwe hopes her show

17:53.533 --> 17:55.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
will open doors for new voices
in the industry.

17:56.166 --> 17:57.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
I see comedy
as a microcosm

17:58.300 --> 17:59.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of the real world.

18:00.233 --> 18:00.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
A lot of spaces
with any sort of power

18:01.766 --> 18:02.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
are dominated
by white men.

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A lot of the people
I have on my show

18:05.466 --> 18:06.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
are first-time writers,
first-time producers,

18:07.466 --> 18:08.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and so I was really
interested in employing

18:09.466 --> 18:09.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
and elevating
those voices

18:11.133 --> 18:12.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that maybe have been
looked aside at--

18:13.133 --> 18:13.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
or been looked over
in history.

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Nawaz: You can watch or stream
Ziwe's show "Ziwe" on Showtime.

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♪

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Our final innovator
is Joanne Lee Molinaro,

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better known
as the Korean Vegan.

18:26.433 --> 18:28.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Like Ziwe, she's also using
social media

18:29.166 --> 18:30.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to lead important conversations
about culture,

18:31.866 --> 18:33.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
this time with a focus
on her Korean family's

18:33.900 --> 18:35.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
refugee history.

18:36.466 --> 18:38.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
On TikTok, Molinaro shares
stories from her childhood

18:39.433 --> 18:40.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
all while crafting
vegan adaptations

18:41.733 --> 18:42.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
of popular Korean dishes.

18:43.833 --> 18:44.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"PBS Newshour's"
chief arts correspondent

18:46.233 --> 18:48.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Jeffrey Brown spoke to Molinaro
about her family's story

18:50.033 --> 18:51.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and how it influenced
the food she makes today.

18:52.966 --> 18:53.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Molinaro: This is
my grandmother,

18:54.233 --> 18:55.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
who taught me how to tie
my shoes,

18:56.400 --> 18:57.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
who taught me how to swing

18:57.833 --> 18:58.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
while standing up,

18:59.266 --> 19:00.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
who taught me this very

19:00.733 --> 19:01.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
gimbap recipe

19:01.966 --> 19:03.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I'm making right now.

19:04.366 --> 19:05.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Brown: It's not your typical
cooking tutorial.

19:07.000 --> 19:09.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Joanne Lee Molinaro,
AKA the Korean Vegan,

19:10.366 --> 19:12.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
does offer up exquisite dishes.

19:13.566 --> 19:14.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Molinaro: She bundled up
her newborn son,

19:15.366 --> 19:16.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
tied him to her back, and...

19:17.366 --> 19:18.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Brown:
But her popular specialty--

19:19.600 --> 19:21.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
storytime videos
that have attracted

19:22.366 --> 19:24.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
nearly 4 million followers
on social media.

19:25.033 --> 19:25.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
I thought it was
a great vehicle

19:26.566 --> 19:27.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
to sort of share
a little bit

19:28.600 --> 19:30.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of insight in what
I hope is

19:31.933 --> 19:34.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
a very palatable way,
if you will,

19:35.933 --> 19:37.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
about the immigrant story
in the United States

19:38.366 --> 19:39.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
because I think it is
a beautiful story,

19:40.766 --> 19:42.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and I think it's one
that hopefully

19:42.933 --> 19:43.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
can be celebrated.

19:44.966 --> 19:46.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Brown: Molinaro's stories tell
of her grandmother's

19:47.133 --> 19:48.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
harrowing escape
with her infant son,

19:48.600 --> 19:49.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Joanne's father,

19:50.500 --> 19:51.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
from what would soon become
North Korea

19:53.166 --> 19:54.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and of her own experience
growing up in America,

19:55.833 --> 19:57.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
where her family's
culture and food

19:57.833 --> 19:58.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
weren't always accepted.

20:00.266 --> 20:02.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
We joined her for shopping
at a Manhattan H Mart,

20:02.866 --> 20:04.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
a Korean grocery chain.

20:05.166 --> 20:06.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
She's not a trained chef.

20:07.233 --> 20:08.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
She is an attorney,
working full-time

20:10.133 --> 20:12.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
until very recently
for a high-powered Chicago firm,

20:13.500 --> 20:15.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
but Joanne Lee's life changed
when she met and married

20:15.933 --> 20:16.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Anthony Molinaro,

20:18.033 --> 20:20.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
who convinced her to go vegan
in 2016.

20:21.700 --> 20:23.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
She decided to adapt the food
she had grown up with,

20:24.666 --> 20:26.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and social media,
Instagram and then TikTok,

20:27.533 --> 20:29.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
became her way to reach people
with her new passion.

20:31.033 --> 20:32.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I did see how social media
could be used

20:33.800 --> 20:34.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
to bring people together,

20:35.733 --> 20:36.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and that's really the point
of the Korean Vegan

20:37.766 --> 20:38.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
is bring people together,

20:40.000 --> 20:40.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
you know, bringing
families together,

20:41.600 --> 20:42.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
bringing colleagues together,
friends together

20:43.800 --> 20:44.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
over some
really delicious food.

20:45.966 --> 20:46.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Brown: Now she's collected
her stories and recipes

20:47.666 --> 20:48.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
into her first cookbook

20:49.633 --> 20:51.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"The Korean
Vegan: Reflections and Recipes

20:52.500 --> 20:53.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
from Omma's," or Mom's,
"Kitchen."

20:55.066 --> 20:55.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
The question that
I set out to answer

20:56.533 --> 20:58.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
when I started cooking more
was, "Well, can--

21:00.066 --> 21:01.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"is there a way to adjust
the ingredients,

21:02.433 --> 21:04.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"the recipes, tweak them
here and there

21:06.033 --> 21:07.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"so they still taste like
the food I grew up eating

21:08.633 --> 21:09.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"but don't have
any animal products in it,

21:10.466 --> 21:10.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
is a little bit healthier?"

21:12.033 --> 21:12.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And that's really
how it all started.

21:13.866 --> 21:14.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
So I'm chopping up
some carrots right now

21:15.666 --> 21:17.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
to add to
our tteokbokki,

21:17.866 --> 21:18.400 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
which is--
"Tuck po-kee?"

21:19.300 --> 21:21.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
"Tok-bo-kee,"
tteokbokki.

21:22.400 --> 21:23.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
So tteok means
rice cake,

21:24.800 --> 21:25.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
which is
right here,

21:26.233 --> 21:27.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and bokki is
kind of a reference

21:28.366 --> 21:30.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
to bokka,
which means fried.

21:31.300 --> 21:32.733 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
A little bit
of gochugaru,

21:33.633 --> 21:34.666 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
which is Korean
pepper powder.

21:35.800 --> 21:38.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
We've got gochujang,
which is the main sauce.

21:39.133 --> 21:40.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Brown: Then things
came together quickly.

21:41.400 --> 21:41.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Molinaro: So I've
made you a bowl,

21:42.700 --> 21:43.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
which has the rice,
right,

21:44.466 --> 21:46.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
because every Korean meal
starts with rice,

21:46.666 --> 21:47.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
and then we have

21:48.300 --> 21:49.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
some braised potatoes

21:49.800 --> 21:50.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
or gamja jorim.

21:51.633 --> 21:52.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
We have some dooboo jeon,

21:53.266 --> 21:54.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
which is like
tofu pancakes,

21:55.633 --> 21:56.400 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
and then we have
the star dish

21:57.466 --> 21:57.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that you helped me
prepare.

21:58.700 --> 21:59.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
That I--of course--

22:00.433 --> 22:00.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Expertly helped me
prepare.

22:01.866 --> 22:02.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Yes. I stared
intently...

22:03.066 --> 22:03.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Yes!
while you made it.

22:04.700 --> 22:06.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And that's why it's
gonna taste so good.

22:06.900 --> 22:07.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
The rice cake
with spice.

22:08.966 --> 22:09.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Mm-hmm!
We did a good job.

22:10.933 --> 22:11.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
You did
an excellent job,

22:12.366 --> 22:12.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and it turned out perfect.

22:14.100 --> 22:14.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Brown:
And in the family history,

22:15.166 --> 22:15.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
there's more.

22:16.566 --> 22:17.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Like many immigrant families,

22:18.666 --> 22:20.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the Lees didn't speak
much of the past,

22:21.133 --> 22:22.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and only as an adult
did Molinaro learn some

22:23.900 --> 22:24.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of what her parents
had experienced

22:26.066 --> 22:28.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
as children in the aftermath
of the Korean War

22:29.300 --> 22:30.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
as when her mother
one day exclaimed that

22:31.533 --> 22:33.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
her favorite food
is baked sweet potato

22:34.400 --> 22:35.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
because it had sustained her
as a refugee

22:36.566 --> 22:37.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
living in South Korea.

22:38.500 --> 22:39.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I was like, "I've literally
never heard you say

22:40.266 --> 22:41.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"the word 'refugee'
in my life before.

22:42.600 --> 22:43.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
What do you mean
you were one?"

22:44.766 --> 22:45.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
She said, "Oh, I was born
in North Korea."

22:46.200 --> 22:46.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
"What?!" Ha ha ha!

22:48.066 --> 22:49.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
What's the larger story
that you're telling us

22:49.933 --> 22:50.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
through these videos?

22:51.733 --> 22:54.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I really wanted
to honor my parents

22:54.800 --> 22:55.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
through these stories.

22:56.633 --> 22:58.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
That is--I think, like,
my heart's passion

22:59.733 --> 23:01.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
is sharing the stories
of my mom and dad

23:03.033 --> 23:05.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and making them feel like
their stories matter.

23:06.433 --> 23:06.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
The more hate crimes
that are prosecuted

23:07.633 --> 23:07.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and result in conviction,

23:09.033 --> 23:09.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the harder it becomes
for lawmakers

23:10.633 --> 23:11.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to ignore the underlying cause
of hate crimes.

23:13.366 --> 23:14.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Brown: She's also ready
and willing to mix it up,

23:15.866 --> 23:17.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
pushing back hard
when she sees anything smacking

23:18.800 --> 23:21.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of bias against Koreans
or Asian Americans generally.

23:22.600 --> 23:23.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I still feel that
some people look at me,

23:24.200 --> 23:24.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
they look at my food,

23:25.633 --> 23:26.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
they look at my hair color,

23:27.400 --> 23:28.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
they look at the shape
of my eyes and say,

23:29.200 --> 23:30.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"Foreigner.
She's not American."

23:31.633 --> 23:32.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, I've been told
so many times "Go back home

23:33.100 --> 23:33.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
to where you came from."

23:34.866 --> 23:36.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Well, that's
Chicago, Illinois. Ha ha ha!

23:37.200 --> 23:37.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I was born
and raised there.

23:38.633 --> 23:39.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
So there is that sort
of thing

23:40.833 --> 23:41.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that I still have to
contend with, I feel like,

23:43.066 --> 23:44.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and on the other side of that
is, you know,

23:45.500 --> 23:46.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
this mainstream acceptance
of, you know, "Squid Game."

23:47.633 --> 23:47.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Everybody's talking
about "Squid Game"...

23:48.966 --> 23:49.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Of course.
The Korean drama.

23:50.333 --> 23:51.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I love that.
I think what I'm trying

23:52.000 --> 23:53.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
to convey is I am American,

23:54.700 --> 23:55.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
these are the foods
that I eat.

23:56.366 --> 23:57.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
You're saying this is
an American food.

23:58.866 --> 24:00.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
For me, it is because
I'm Korean American,

24:01.033 --> 24:01.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and I made this food,

24:02.666 --> 24:03.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and this is what we ate
in America.

24:04.400 --> 24:04.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
In Chicago, Illinois.

24:05.566 --> 24:06.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
In Chicago, Illinois.

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Brown, voice-over: And now
with a Korean Vegan twist.

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For "The PBS Newshour,"
I'm Jeffrey Brown.

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Molinaro and each of the artists
we featured tonight

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are true innovators.

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They're taking
the sights, the sounds,

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even the tastes of the past

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and reimagining
what they can be today.

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It's groundbreaking work
that changes

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how we see the world now

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and how we'll continue
to see it for years to come.

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Tell us what you think
about what you've seen.

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Join the conversation
on our web site.

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That's pbs.org/canvas,

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and find
more "Canvas" arts stories

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on "The PBS Newshour."

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I'm Amna Nawaz.

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For all of us
at "The PBS Newshour,"

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thanks for joining me here
on "Beyond the Canvas."

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We'll see you soon.

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Coming up
on "Beyond the Canvas,"

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Peyton Scott Russell,
who painted the iconic mural

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of George Floyd in Minneapolis,

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is one
of the extraordinary artists

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we focus on next time.

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Russell: I painted it
for the community.

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That's what really street art
is all about.

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Riz Ahmed: It's
in English,

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its in Urdu.

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It's an acting piece
and a rapping piece.

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The movements are born
from the music.

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Photography became my anchor.

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Man: The stories of people
of African descent

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are part
of this Revolutionary story.

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Announcer: This program
was made possible

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by the John S.
and James L. Knight Foundation,

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the Andrew W. Mellon
Foundation,

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and by contributions
to your PBS station

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from viewers like you.

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Thank you.