WEBVTT 00:02.033 --> 00:04.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Public outcry and calls for arrests in the killing of an African-American 00:04.833 --> 00:08.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% man in Georgia more than two months ago are intensifying. 00:08.266 --> 00:13.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% As Yamiche Alcindor reports for our Race Matters series, the case drew widespread public attention 00:14.866 --> 00:18.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% after a video of the shooting was released earlier this week. 00:18.233 --> 00:22.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Since then, Judy, the nation has become familiar with this name, Ahmaud 00:22.466 --> 00:27.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Arbery. He was a 25-year-old black man chased and killed by at least two white men as he 00:28.866 --> 00:31.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% was jogging in a Georgia neighborhood on February 23. 00:31.366 --> 00:35.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Two of those men, Gregory McMichael and Travis McMichael, said they pursued him because they 00:35.033 --> 00:39.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% believed he looked like a suspect in recent burglaries. Arbery was unarmed. 00:39.400 --> 00:43.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% The video shot from behind seems to show Arbery was trying to go around their truck. They 00:43.900 --> 00:48.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% then confronted him and later shot him. They told police he attacked them as they were 00:48.400 --> 00:50.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% trying to hold him and wait for police. 00:50.466 --> 00:54.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% His father, Marcus Arbery and his attorney, Benjamin Crump, join me now. 00:54.733 --> 00:56.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thanks so much for being here, both of you. 00:56.866 --> 01:01.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Mr. Arbery, Ahmaud was your baby son. He was your youngest. He was also an athlete. He 01:02.466 --> 01:04.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% liked to run. 01:04.533 --> 01:07.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Tell me a little bit about how often he ran the route that he ran in that Georgia neighborhood 01:07.800 --> 01:10.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and whether or not he had any reason to fear for his life. 01:10.166 --> 01:12.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% MARCUS ARBERY, Father of Ahmaud Arbery: Well, he ran all the time. 01:12.733 --> 01:17.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Everybody know he ran all the time. So I don't see why this happened to him, because that's 01:19.700 --> 01:24.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% all he did is ran and work out. He ran like three, four, five miles a day. Everybody know 01:25.866 --> 01:27.900 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% he ran. 01:27.900 --> 01:31.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I don't know why they racially profile him and done him like that, because all he did 01:31.366 --> 01:36.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% is work out and ran and just took care of his body, because he had dreams now. Now all 01:37.766 --> 01:40.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% his dreams are gone, because they took his life for nothing. 01:40.533 --> 01:43.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: How familiar was this neighborhood to your son in particular? 01:43.633 --> 01:47.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCUS ARBERY: He stayed right across the street. His mother had a house right across 01:47.600 --> 01:49.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the street from that neighborhood. 01:49.566 --> 01:53.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Ahmaud was very familiar with this neighborhood? He ran there often 01:53.833 --> 01:55.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and ran this route often? 01:55.133 --> 01:57.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% MARCUS ARBERY: Yes, ma'am. 01:57.133 --> 02:00.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Gregory McMichael followed your son because he said he looked like a 02:00.666 --> 02:03.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% burglary suspect. 02:03.666 --> 02:08.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Ahmaud's mother also said that the police told her that her son and your son was killed 02:10.633 --> 02:13.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% during -- in the commission of a burglary and during a burglary and a struggle. 02:13.666 --> 02:16.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% What do you make of that, especially the police saying that about your child? 02:16.933 --> 02:20.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MARCUS ARBERY: Well, they just -- it's just a lie and a cover-up, trying to justify everything 02:20.133 --> 02:22.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% when they're wrong. 02:22.233 --> 02:26.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% They know they done got caught up and they're wrong. The video speaking everything for itself. 02:28.133 --> 02:31.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Check that lynch mob out. It's a lynch mob. So they're trying to cover up when they done 02:32.666 --> 02:34.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% messed up. They have been doing that for years. 02:34.966 --> 02:38.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Corruption in this town is real bad with African-Americans. So he's been lynched. The video speak loud 02:40.400 --> 02:44.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and plain as day. So, do their homework and do your job. Arrest these terrible people. 02:46.466 --> 02:50.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Get them out of this -- get them off the streets, before they try to lynch anybody else kid. 02:52.133 --> 02:56.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Get them off the streets. They need to be behind bars for a long, long, long time. Get 02:58.766 --> 03:00.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% them off the streets. 03:00.966 --> 03:03.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% We just want justice, and get them off the streets, because there ain't no room for them, 03:03.333 --> 03:05.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% not in a small town like this. 03:05.066 --> 03:07.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Mr. Arbery is talking about a modern-day lynching. 03:07.966 --> 03:12.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We have now seen two prosecutors recuse themselves. A third prosecutor says this needs to go to 03:12.700 --> 03:16.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% a grand jury. What do you want to see legally happened here? And do you believe there's 03:16.733 --> 03:18.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% any sort of arrest that might happen? 03:18.333 --> 03:20.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% BENJAMIN CRUMP, Attorney for Marcus Arbery: I do, Yamiche. 03:20.866 --> 03:25.866 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% The Georgia Bureau of Investigations has now taken over the case. And they have told us 03:28.366 --> 03:32.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that they're going to look at the case with fresh eyes. We asked them not to rely on anything 03:34.500 --> 03:38.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% from the local officials from that Southeastern Georgia law enforcement community, because 03:41.200 --> 03:44.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they are too close to Gregory McMichael, who worked as a former police officer and a detective 03:47.100 --> 03:49.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for the district attorney for over 30 years. 03:49.966 --> 03:54.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And so, if they look at it with fresh eyes, then they will have probable cause, simply 03:57.000 --> 04:01.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% based on this video that shows this horrific execution of Marcus' baby boy, his youngest 04:05.500 --> 04:10.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% son, who would celebrate his birthday tomorrow, had they not murdered him. 04:12.433 --> 04:15.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And so we believe that they have the probable cause to arrest these -- I can't even think 04:19.733 --> 04:24.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% a father and son, a murderous duo. They have the probable cause right now to arrest them 04:26.666 --> 04:29.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for the murder of Ahmaud Arbery. 04:29.166 --> 04:32.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Do you also want to see a third man charged in this case, Mr. Crump? 04:32.333 --> 04:36.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Do you want to see the man who shot the video also charged and arrested? 04:36.433 --> 04:38.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BENJAMIN CRUMP: Certainly. 04:38.500 --> 04:42.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% The person who was in the vehicle helping them to chase Ahmaud Arbery just because the 04:46.400 --> 04:51.400 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% color of his skin, because we don't buy any of this allegation that he was committing 04:52.600 --> 04:54.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a burglary. There's no evidence of that. 04:54.900 --> 04:59.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% He had a T-shirt on and shorts. He didn't have burglary tools or a mask or anything. 05:01.966 --> 05:05.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% He was simply a young man exercising. And as Mr. Marcus has said on many of occasions, 05:08.133 --> 05:12.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% if this was him and his son or mine, and they got on a truck with a shotgun and a .357 Magnum, 05:16.400 --> 05:21.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and they chased a young white man who was jogging through the community in broad daylight, 05:22.800 --> 05:26.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and he ended up dead, they would be arrested immediately. 05:26.266 --> 05:31.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And anybody who aided and abetted them, anybody who videotaped them, or anybody who was with 05:33.200 --> 05:37.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% them would also be held accountable. So, why do we have two justice systems in America, 05:39.233 --> 05:41.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% one for blacks America and one for white America? 05:41.566 --> 05:46.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Mr. Arbery, Trayvon Martin was killed on February 26, 2012. Your son 05:48.500 --> 05:51.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% was killed on February 23. They were -- they would have been almost the same age had they 05:51.266 --> 05:53.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% both lived. 05:53.400 --> 05:57.200 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% Did you talk to your son about Trayvon Martin? Did he understand and talk about this national 05:57.200 --> 05:59.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% conversation that we have been having around racism? 05:59.533 --> 06:04.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCUS ARBERY: Yes. Yes. Yes. I talk to my children about that all the time. And they 06:05.733 --> 06:07.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% all thought that Trayvon Martin was murdered too. 06:07.900 --> 06:10.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% My children know. All three of them know. They know. 06:10.933 --> 06:14.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Tell me about that. Tell me more how you talked to your son about Trayvon 06:14.766 --> 06:16.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Martin. 06:16.866 --> 06:20.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCUS ARBERY: I just told him that racism is pretty deep when you're a black African-American. 06:22.733 --> 06:26.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% You just got to -- you just can't fall in their hands, because they really set you up 06:28.933 --> 06:32.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% when you're racially profiled. They set you up to lure you where they want you at, and 06:32.666 --> 06:37.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% then they take your life. That's race and hate. I always told my kids about that kind 06:38.500 --> 06:39.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% of stuff. 06:39.500 --> 06:41.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (CROSSTALK) 06:41.533 --> 06:43.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: And what do you want the nation to know about your son? 06:43.533 --> 06:45.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCUS ARBERY: Yes, I just want the nation to know that he was a good boy, well-mannered, 06:45.966 --> 06:48.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and he just loved the people. 06:48.766 --> 06:53.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% You know, he was the kind of young man that, if you needed a dollar, and he had one dollar, 06:53.033 --> 06:54.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% he gave it to you. 06:54.733 --> 06:56.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: And now you want to see justice for your son? 06:56.300 --> 06:58.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% MARCUS ARBERY: Definitely. 06:58.333 --> 07:03.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I just want to see this lynch mob behind bars, where they belong at, because if you don't 07:05.233 --> 07:07.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% put them behind bars, where they belong, they're going to find a way to kill again. And there 07:07.333 --> 07:09.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% ain't no room for that in this little small town. 07:09.466 --> 07:13.766 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Well, Mr. Arbery, Mr. Crump, thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate 07:13.766 --> 07:14.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% you both coming on. 07:14.766 --> 07:16.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% MARCUS ARBERY: Thank you. 07:16.000 --> 07:18.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% BENJAMIN CRUMP: Thank you, Yamiche. 07:18.033 --> 07:22.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And a note: We are reaching out to police, prosecutors, and the McMichaels 07:24.100 --> 07:26.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to see if they will speak to us as well in coming days.