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JUDY WOODRUFF: The very first
presidential primary debates
for the 2020 cycle are now

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over, but last night's round
two brought a new twist to the
Democratic contest, a twist

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whose repercussions
stretched into today.

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Lisa Desjardins starts there.

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LISA DESJARDINS: Today, another
important stage for former
Vice President Joe Biden.

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JOSEPH BIDEN (D), Presidential
Candidate: I would like to
say something about the debate

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we had last night.

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LISA DESJARDINS: In
Chicago, talking to Jesse
Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH
Coalition, he stressed

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his history working for civil
rights and clarified he is not
for states' rights on the issue.

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JOSEPH BIDEN: These rights
are not up to the states
to decide. They are the
federal government's

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duty to decide.

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LISA DESJARDINS: This after
a week of criticism, starting
with Biden's words about working

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in the past with people he
disagreed with, and he named
two senators known as ardent

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segregationists.

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On last night's debate stage,
California Senator Kamala Harris
raised that directly to Biden.

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SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA),
Presidential Candidate:
I do not believe you
are a racist and I agree

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with you when you commit
yourself to the importance
of finding common ground.

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But, I also believe -- and
it's personal. And I -- I was
actually very -- it was hurtful.

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JOSEPH BIDEN: That's
a mischaracterization
of my position across
the board. I did not

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praise racists.

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That is not true.

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LISA DESJARDINS: But Harris'
most forceful criticism of
the former vice president came

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after she told a personal
story about being bused to an
integrated public school as a

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child.

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SEN. KAMALA HARRIS: Do you
agree today that you were wrong
to oppose busing in America

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then?

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JOSEPH BIDEN: No.

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SEN. KAMALA HARRIS:
Do you agree?

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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

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JOSEPH BIDEN: I did not
oppose busing in America.
What I opposed is busing
ordered by the Department

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of Education. That's what I
opposed. I did not oppose...

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KAMALA HARRIS: Well, there
was a failure of - - of
states to -- to integrate...

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JOSEPH BIDEN: No, but...

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KAMALA HARRIS: ... public
schools in America.

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LISA DESJARDINS: Today,
Biden tried to clarify,
but stopped short of saying
the federal government

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should have enforced all busing.

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JOSEPH BIDEN: I never, never,
ever opposed voluntary busing.
And it's a program that

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Senator Harris participated in.

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LISA DESJARDINS: Harris'
name is ringing. Hers was the
performance that most resonated

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last night at a Democratic
debate watch party in Miami.

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FRANCES KNAPP, Miami: I think
she was forceful. She was to
the point. She was empathetic.

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She was really sharp tonight.

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ALLIE GEIGER, Miami: I think
Kamala Harris has a really
good chance. I think women are

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tired of being ignored.
I think minorities are
tired of being ignored.

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LISA DESJARDINS: But Biden
too had fans, who said he
can win with swing voters.

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LOUIS BONDI, Miami: He is middle
of the road and he explains
things to them. And he's a

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centrist.

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LISA DESJARDINS: The debate
itself was more raucous than the
previous night, with candidates

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early on speaking over
each other in attempts to
get time. And there was
more heat and challenge.

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California Congressman Eric
Swalwell said Biden had his
time in leadership, and should

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step aside now.

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REP. ERIC SWALWELL (D-CA),
Presidential Candidate:
Joe Biden was right
when he said it was time

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to pass the torch to a new
generation of Americans 32 years
ago. He's still right today.

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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

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JOSEPH BIDEN: I'm still
holding on to that torch.

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LISA DESJARDINS: Vermont Senator
Bernie Sanders aimed to contrast
himself with the more moderate

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Biden, invoking his
2016 battle cry.

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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT),
Presidential Candidate:
We need a political
revolution. People have

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got to stand up and take on
the special interests. We
can transform this country.

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LISA DESJARDINS: South Bend,
Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
tackled questions about how

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he is handling the shooting
of a black man killed by a
white officer there and why his

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city's police force has
few officers of color.

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PETE BUTTIGIEG (D), Presidential
Candidate: We're obviously
not there yet. And I accept

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responsibility for that,
because I'm in charge.

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(CROSSTALK)

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REP. ERIC SWALWELL: You
should fire the chief.

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LISA DESJARDINS: For the second
night in a row, candidates
showed a divide on health

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care. The more moderate
candidates, like former
Colorado Governor John
Hickenlooper and Colorado

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Senator Michael Bennet,
pushed back on Sanders'
sweeping Medicare for
all plan, instead arguing

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for an optional government-run
insurance plan instead.

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SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-CO),
Presidential Candidate: And that
every family and every person in

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America can make a choice for
their family about whether
they want a public option.

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LISA DESJARDINS: With a crowded
stage and front-runners getting
the most early questions,

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other candidates, like Senator
Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
in particular, fought to insert

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themselves into the debate.

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QUESTION: We are going to talk
about health care at length,
Senator, but at -- for the

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moment, my colleague...

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(CROSSTALK)

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SEN. KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND (D-NY),
Presidential Candidate: I wrote
the part in Senator Sanders'

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bill -- I wrote the part in
Senator Sanders' bill that is
the transition, which merges

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what the two senators said.

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LISA DESJARDINS:
Political outsiders
author Marianne Williamson
and entrepreneur Andrew

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Yang spoke the least. Yang
said today his microphone was
turned off most of the night,

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a charge NBC flatly denied.
Both raised ideas not brought up
otherwise, including this from

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Williamson on race:

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MARIANNE WILLIAMSON (D),
Presidential Candidate:
And the Democratic
Party should be on the

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side of reparations for
slavery for this very reason.

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LISA DESJARDINS: All
10 candidates agreed
on one significant
issue, that their health

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care plans would covered
undocumented immigrants.

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The Democratic candidates
will share the debate
stage again next month.