1 00:00:05,238 --> 00:00:06,006 >> Sreenivasan: ON THIS EDITION 2 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:08,274 FOR SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 7: 3 00:00:08,274 --> 00:00:09,242 >> MY RESPONSIBILITY AS 4 00:00:09,242 --> 00:00:11,544 PRESIDENT WILL BE TO REPRESENT 5 00:00:11,544 --> 00:00:13,313 THE WHOLE NATION. 6 00:00:13,313 --> 00:00:15,115 AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'LL 7 00:00:15,115 --> 00:00:16,683 WORK AS HARD FOR THOSE WHO VOTED 8 00:00:16,683 --> 00:00:18,518 AGAINST ME AS THOSE WHO VOTED 9 00:00:18,518 --> 00:00:19,486 FOR ME. 10 00:00:19,486 --> 00:00:20,220 >> Sreenivasan: JOE BIDEN IS 11 00:00:20,220 --> 00:00:22,022 DECLARED THE 46th PRESIDENT OF 12 00:00:22,022 --> 00:00:23,790 THE UNITED STATES; PRESIDENT 13 00:00:23,790 --> 00:00:25,492 DONALD TRUMP PROMISES LEGAL 14 00:00:25,492 --> 00:00:27,427 CHALLENGES AHEAD; AND A 15 00:00:27,427 --> 00:00:29,329 STILL-DIVIDED COUNTRY CELEBRATES 16 00:00:29,329 --> 00:00:31,131 AND PROTESTS ON THIS HISTORIC 17 00:00:31,131 --> 00:00:31,898 DAY. 18 00:00:31,898 --> 00:00:36,970 NEXT ON PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND. 19 00:00:36,970 --> 00:00:39,072 >> PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND IS MADE 20 00:00:39,072 --> 00:00:40,607 POSSIBLE BY: 21 00:00:40,607 --> 00:00:43,810 SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III. 22 00:00:43,810 --> 00:00:47,080 THE ANDERSON FAMILY FUND. 23 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,116 BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ. 24 00:00:50,116 --> 00:00:51,751 THE CHERYL AND PHILIP MILSTEIN 25 00:00:51,751 --> 00:00:53,586 FAMILY. 26 00:00:53,586 --> 00:00:56,189 BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG. 27 00:00:56,189 --> 00:00:57,991 THE LEONARD AND NORMA KLORFINE 28 00:00:57,991 --> 00:00:59,426 FOUNDATION. 29 00:00:59,426 --> 00:01:01,928 CHARLES ROSENBLUM. 30 00:01:01,928 --> 00:01:03,530 WE TRY TO LIVE IN THE MOMENT, 31 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:04,964 TO NOT MISS WHAT'S RIGHT IN 32 00:01:04,964 --> 00:01:05,865 FRONT OF US. 33 00:01:05,865 --> 00:01:07,734 AT MUTUAL OF AMERICA, WE 34 00:01:07,734 --> 00:01:09,669 BELIEVE TAKING CARE OF TOMORROW 35 00:01:09,669 --> 00:01:11,237 CAN HELP YOU MAKE THE MOST OF 36 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:12,005 TODAY. 37 00:01:12,005 --> 00:01:13,339 MUTUAL OF AMERICA FINANCIAL 38 00:01:13,339 --> 00:01:15,508 GROUP, RETIREMENT SERVICES AND 39 00:01:15,508 --> 00:01:17,243 INVESTMENTS. 40 00:01:17,243 --> 00:01:18,645 ADDITIONAL SUPPORT HAS BEEN 41 00:01:18,645 --> 00:01:19,746 PROVIDED BY: 42 00:01:19,746 --> 00:01:22,916 CONSUMER CELLULAR. 43 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:26,453 AND BY: 44 00:01:26,453 --> 00:01:27,787 AND BY THE CORPORATION FOR 45 00:01:27,787 --> 00:01:29,923 PUBLIC BROADCASTING, A PRIVATE 46 00:01:29,923 --> 00:01:31,391 CORPORATION FUNDED BY THE 47 00:01:31,391 --> 00:01:33,059 AMERICAN PEOPLE. 48 00:01:33,059 --> 00:01:34,694 AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR 49 00:01:34,694 --> 00:01:36,429 PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE 50 00:01:36,429 --> 00:01:37,263 YOU. 51 00:01:37,263 --> 00:01:39,566 THANK YOU. 52 00:01:39,566 --> 00:01:40,266 >> Sreenivasan: GOOD EVENING, 53 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:41,501 AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 54 00:01:41,501 --> 00:01:44,037 DEMOCRAT JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR. IS 55 00:01:44,037 --> 00:01:45,672 NOW THE PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE 56 00:01:45,672 --> 00:01:46,806 UNITED STATES. 57 00:01:46,806 --> 00:01:47,941 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS AND 58 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:49,142 MULTIPLE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS 59 00:01:49,142 --> 00:01:50,543 CALLED THE RACE FOR THE FORMER 60 00:01:50,543 --> 00:01:51,945 VICE PRESIDENT THIS MORNING 61 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:53,813 AFTER NEW BALLOT COUNTS EXTENDED 62 00:01:53,813 --> 00:01:54,948 MR. BIDEN'S LEAD IN 63 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:56,549 PENNSYLVANIA, GIVING HIM AN 64 00:01:56,549 --> 00:01:58,451 ADDITIONAL 20 ELECTORAL COLLEGE 65 00:01:58,451 --> 00:02:00,487 VOTES, PUSHING HIS TOTAL ABOVE 66 00:02:00,487 --> 00:02:02,255 THE 270 NEEDED. 67 00:02:02,255 --> 00:02:03,389 PENNSYLVANIA'S VOTE PUT 68 00:02:03,389 --> 00:02:05,859 PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN AT 284 69 00:02:05,859 --> 00:02:07,227 ELECTORAL VOTES WITH CURRENT 70 00:02:07,227 --> 00:02:10,330 PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AT 214. 71 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:12,232 WITHIN AN HOUR, THE A.P. ALSO 72 00:02:12,232 --> 00:02:14,067 CALLED NEVADA FOR MR. BIDEN, 73 00:02:14,067 --> 00:02:16,202 BRINGING THE COUNT TO 290. 74 00:02:16,202 --> 00:02:17,670 THE VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT, KAMALA 75 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:18,505 HARRIS, POSTED HER 76 00:02:18,505 --> 00:02:20,006 CONGRATULATORY CALL TO HER 77 00:02:20,006 --> 00:02:28,948 RUNNING MATE ON TWITTER: 78 00:02:28,948 --> 00:02:31,417 ( CHEERS ) 79 00:02:31,417 --> 00:02:32,886 IN WASHINGTON, D.C., LARGE 80 00:02:32,886 --> 00:02:34,354 CROWDS GATHERED OUTSIDE THE 81 00:02:34,354 --> 00:02:36,022 WHITE HOUSE, AND IN TIMES SQUARE 82 00:02:36,022 --> 00:02:37,490 IN NEW YORK CITY PEOPLE CHEERED 83 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:38,591 THE NEWS. 84 00:02:38,591 --> 00:02:42,395 >> ♪ LET FREEDOM RING. ♪ 85 00:02:42,395 --> 00:02:43,062 >> Sreenivasan: IN LANSING, 86 00:02:43,062 --> 00:02:44,597 MICHIGAN, AND IN OTHER CITIES, 87 00:02:44,597 --> 00:02:46,099 TRUMP SUPPORTERS DEMONSTRATED, 88 00:02:46,099 --> 00:02:47,834 WAVING FLAGS AND PROTESTING THAT 89 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:49,335 THE ELECTION IS TOO CLOSE TO 90 00:02:49,335 --> 00:02:51,371 CALL. 91 00:02:51,371 --> 00:02:53,039 THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS ARE STILL 92 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:54,874 BEING COUNTED IN MANY STATES, 93 00:02:54,874 --> 00:02:56,342 BUT THE MARGINS OF THE VOTE 94 00:02:56,342 --> 00:02:58,611 COUNTS TODAY PUT MR. BIDEN FAR 95 00:02:58,611 --> 00:03:00,880 ENOUGH AHEAD TO PRECLUDE A TRUMP 96 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,116 COMEBACK, ACCORDING TO THE A.P. 97 00:03:03,116 --> 00:03:04,851 MR. TRUMP WAS AT HIS VIRGINIA 98 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:06,252 GOLF COURSE WHEN THE CALL WAS 99 00:03:06,252 --> 00:03:06,853 MADE. 100 00:03:06,853 --> 00:03:08,054 HE QUICKLY ISSUED A STATEMENT 101 00:03:08,054 --> 00:03:10,290 THAT SAID: "THE SIMPLE FACT IS, 102 00:03:10,290 --> 00:03:12,258 THIS ELECTION IS FAR FROM OVER," 103 00:03:12,258 --> 00:03:13,826 AND ALSO SAID, "BEGINNING 104 00:03:13,826 --> 00:03:15,361 MONDAY, OUR CAMPAIGN WILL START 105 00:03:15,361 --> 00:03:17,830 PROSECUTING OUR CASE IN COURT." 106 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:19,599 PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN WAS AT 107 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:20,833 HOME IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE, 108 00:03:20,833 --> 00:03:22,035 WHERE HE ISSUED A STATEMENT THAT 109 00:03:22,035 --> 00:03:23,503 MIRRORED HIS CALL IN A SPEECH 110 00:03:23,503 --> 00:03:25,572 LATE LAST NIGHT FOR AMERICANS TO 111 00:03:25,572 --> 00:03:26,639 UNITE. 112 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,741 >> NO MATTER WHO YOU VOTED FOR, 113 00:03:28,741 --> 00:03:30,743 I'M CERTAIN OF ONE THING: THE 114 00:03:30,743 --> 00:03:34,214 VAST MAJORITY OF THE 150 MILLION 115 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,349 AMERICANS WHO VOTED, THEY WANT 116 00:03:36,349 --> 00:03:37,650 TO GET THE VITRIOL OUT OF OUR 117 00:03:37,650 --> 00:03:39,552 POLITICS. 118 00:03:39,552 --> 00:03:40,320 WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO 119 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,455 AGREE ON A LOT OF ISSUES, AT 120 00:03:42,455 --> 00:03:44,190 LEAST WE CAN AGREE TO BE CIVIL 121 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:45,892 WITH ONE ANOTHER. 122 00:03:45,892 --> 00:03:47,427 WE HAVE TO PUT THE ANGER AND THE 123 00:03:47,427 --> 00:03:49,929 DEMONIZATION BEHIND US. 124 00:03:49,929 --> 00:03:50,697 IT'S TIME FOR US TO COME 125 00:03:50,697 --> 00:03:53,032 TOGETHER AS A NATION TO HEAL. 126 00:03:53,032 --> 00:03:54,534 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY, BUT 127 00:03:54,534 --> 00:03:55,735 WE HAVE TO TRY. 128 00:03:55,735 --> 00:03:56,469 >> Sreenivasan: NEWSHOUR'S 129 00:03:56,469 --> 00:03:58,204 DANIEL BUSH IS IN PHILADELPHIA 130 00:03:58,204 --> 00:03:59,639 AND HAS MORE ON THE MOMENT THE 131 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:01,374 RACE WAS CALLED AND WHAT THE 132 00:04:01,374 --> 00:04:03,042 PRESIDENT'S LAWYERS SAY THEY ARE 133 00:04:03,042 --> 00:04:04,510 PLANNING NEXT. 134 00:04:04,510 --> 00:04:06,980 DAN BUSH, YOU'RE IN PENNSYLVANIA 135 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:07,947 ABOUT THE TIME THAT THE 136 00:04:07,947 --> 00:04:09,716 ASSOCIATED PRESS CALLED THE 137 00:04:09,716 --> 00:04:11,651 ELECTION FOR JOE BIDEN. 138 00:04:11,651 --> 00:04:13,519 YOU WERE GETTING READY FOR A 139 00:04:13,519 --> 00:04:15,655 PRESS CONFERENCE FROM THE TRUMP 140 00:04:15,655 --> 00:04:16,222 CAMPAIGN. 141 00:04:16,222 --> 00:04:17,924 WHAT DID THEY HAVE TO SAY? 142 00:04:17,924 --> 00:04:18,791 >> HARI, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF 143 00:04:18,791 --> 00:04:20,159 A CHAOTIC SCENE HERE. 144 00:04:20,159 --> 00:04:21,427 THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN SCHEDULED A 145 00:04:21,427 --> 00:04:23,863 PRESS CONFERENCE JUST AROUND THE 146 00:04:23,863 --> 00:04:25,031 TIME THAT THE ASSOCIATED PRESS 147 00:04:25,031 --> 00:04:26,933 FIRST CALLED PENNSYLVANIA FOR 148 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:28,301 JOE BIDEN, WHICH PUT HIM OVER 149 00:04:28,301 --> 00:04:30,870 THE 270 THRESHOLD FOR VICTORY. 150 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:32,305 THEN THEY CALLED THE ENTIRE RACE 151 00:04:32,305 --> 00:04:33,339 FOR JOE BIDEN. 152 00:04:33,339 --> 00:04:34,874 SHORTLY AFTER THAT, RUDY 153 00:04:34,874 --> 00:04:36,542 GIULIANI, A CLOSE ASSOCIATE OF 154 00:04:36,542 --> 00:04:37,543 PRESIDENT TRUMP'S, AS WELL AS 155 00:04:37,543 --> 00:04:38,711 COREY LEWANDOWSKI AND SOME 156 00:04:38,711 --> 00:04:40,780 OTHERS, CAME OUT HERE, AND RUDY 157 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:42,649 GIULIANI RAN THROUGH A LITANY OF 158 00:04:42,649 --> 00:04:44,651 CLAIMS OR ALLEGATIONS AROUND 159 00:04:44,651 --> 00:04:46,586 WHAT HE IS CLAIMING AS 160 00:04:46,586 --> 00:04:48,288 SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY RELATED TO 161 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:49,255 THE ELECTION. 162 00:04:49,255 --> 00:04:51,357 RUDY GIULIANI SAID THAT THIS IS 163 00:04:51,357 --> 00:04:52,025 OUTRAGEOUS. 164 00:04:52,025 --> 00:04:53,293 HE SAID THAT MAIL-IN BALLOTS 165 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:55,895 WERE "HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS." 166 00:04:55,895 --> 00:04:57,196 HE SAID THAT NO REPUBLICAN GOT A 167 00:04:57,196 --> 00:04:58,765 CHANCE TO INSPECT BALLOTS. 168 00:04:58,765 --> 00:04:59,732 THAT IS NOT TRUE. 169 00:04:59,732 --> 00:05:00,733 HE SAID THAT THERE WAS ZERO 170 00:05:00,733 --> 00:05:02,502 SECURITY AROUND THIS VOTE 171 00:05:02,502 --> 00:05:03,202 COUNTING PROCESS. 172 00:05:03,202 --> 00:05:04,737 THAT IS NOT TRUE, AS WELL. 173 00:05:04,737 --> 00:05:06,372 I SAW THAT SECURITY, AS WELL AS 174 00:05:06,372 --> 00:05:07,407 THE REST OF THE PRESS DID, WITH 175 00:05:07,407 --> 00:05:08,841 OUR OWN EYES WHEN WE TOOK TOURS 176 00:05:08,841 --> 00:05:10,209 OF THE FACILITIES WHERE THEY'RE 177 00:05:10,209 --> 00:05:11,411 COUNTING THESE BALLOTS. 178 00:05:11,411 --> 00:05:12,345 I SHOULD ALSO NOTE, AS WELL, 179 00:05:12,345 --> 00:05:13,980 THERE IS NO WIDESPREAD EVIDENCE 180 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:15,815 OF VOTER FRAUD EITHER HERE IN 181 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:17,483 PENNSYLVANIA OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN 182 00:05:17,483 --> 00:05:18,251 THE COUNTRY. 183 00:05:18,251 --> 00:05:20,586 BUT EVEN AFTER THE ELECTION WAS 184 00:05:20,586 --> 00:05:22,889 CALLED, THERE WAS RUDY GIULIANI 185 00:05:22,889 --> 00:05:24,324 MAKING THAT LEGAL ARGUMENT. 186 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:25,525 THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS ALREADY 187 00:05:25,525 --> 00:05:26,726 FILED SEVERAL SUITS AROUND THE 188 00:05:26,726 --> 00:05:27,427 COUNTRY. 189 00:05:27,427 --> 00:05:29,162 RUDY GIULIANI SAID MORE ARE 190 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:30,830 COMING, SO YOU CAN SEE THE TRUMP 191 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:32,598 CAMPAIGN DIGGING IN ITS HEELS 192 00:05:32,598 --> 00:05:34,701 HERE FOR WHAT THEY THINK COULD 193 00:05:34,701 --> 00:05:35,968 BE A LONG LEGAL FIGHT. 194 00:05:35,968 --> 00:05:36,636 >> Sreenivasan: WHAT IS THE 195 00:05:36,636 --> 00:05:38,671 LIKELIHOOD OF THE VOTES BEING 196 00:05:38,671 --> 00:05:40,406 RECOUNTED IN PENNSYLVANIA? 197 00:05:40,406 --> 00:05:42,909 AND IS THAT LIKELY TO PROVE THE 198 00:05:42,909 --> 00:05:44,377 TYPE OF RESULT THAT RUDY 199 00:05:44,377 --> 00:05:46,079 GIULIANI WANTS? 200 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:47,747 >> THAT IS THE CRITICAL 201 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:49,148 QUESTION, HARI. 202 00:05:49,148 --> 00:05:50,516 UNDER PENNSYLVANIA LAW, THE 203 00:05:50,516 --> 00:05:52,018 SECRETARY OF STATE IS REQUIRED 204 00:05:52,018 --> 00:05:53,453 TO ORDER A RECOUNT IF THE MARGIN 205 00:05:53,453 --> 00:05:56,789 IS WITHIN 0.5%, HALF OF 1%. 206 00:05:56,789 --> 00:05:58,691 AS OF TODAY, JOE BIDEN WAS UP BY 207 00:05:58,691 --> 00:06:00,326 ROUGHLY 30,000 VOTES. 208 00:06:00,326 --> 00:06:01,461 THAT NUMBER MAY HAVE ALREADY 209 00:06:01,461 --> 00:06:03,296 GONE UP SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT 210 00:06:03,296 --> 00:06:04,797 WE LOOKED AT IT CLOSELY. 211 00:06:04,797 --> 00:06:06,499 THAT IS BECAUSE AS MORE MAIL-IN 212 00:06:06,499 --> 00:06:07,500 AND ABSENTEE BALLOTS ARE 213 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:08,868 COUNTED, THOSE ARE BREAKING AT 214 00:06:08,868 --> 00:06:12,271 UP TO 75% IN JOE BIDEN'S FAVOR. 215 00:06:12,271 --> 00:06:13,773 RIGHT NOW, HE'S ROUGHLY ON THAT 216 00:06:13,773 --> 00:06:15,975 BUBBLE OF WHAT WOULD BE A 0.5% 217 00:06:15,975 --> 00:06:16,976 MARGIN, HARI. 218 00:06:16,976 --> 00:06:18,678 BUT AGAIN, AS THESE NUMBERS COME 219 00:06:18,678 --> 00:06:19,912 IN, HE'S GOING TO GO UP. 220 00:06:19,912 --> 00:06:21,381 THE EXPECTATION IS, HE WILL 221 00:06:21,381 --> 00:06:22,915 EXCEED AND THAT THE MARGIN WILL 222 00:06:22,915 --> 00:06:25,818 NOT BE WITHIN THE AMOUNT THAT 223 00:06:25,818 --> 00:06:26,853 PENNSYLVANIA WOULD HAVE TO 224 00:06:26,853 --> 00:06:28,488 PROCEED WITH A RECOUNT. 225 00:06:28,488 --> 00:06:29,922 RUDY GIULIANI WAS ASKED ABOUT A 226 00:06:29,922 --> 00:06:32,091 POSSIBILITY OF A RECOUNT TODAY. 227 00:06:32,091 --> 00:06:33,993 HE JUST SAID, "STAND BY, MORE 228 00:06:33,993 --> 00:06:34,927 LAWSUITS ARE COMING." 229 00:06:34,927 --> 00:06:36,195 SO, WE ARE FOLLOWING THESE FINAL 230 00:06:36,195 --> 00:06:37,597 NUMBERS VERY CLOSELY FOR THAT 231 00:06:37,597 --> 00:06:38,931 VERY REASON. 232 00:06:38,931 --> 00:06:39,665 >> Sreenivasan: DAN, WERE THERE 233 00:06:39,665 --> 00:06:42,535 ANY SPECIFIC GROUPS THAT HELPED 234 00:06:42,535 --> 00:06:44,537 JOE BIDEN CROSS THAT LINE IN 235 00:06:44,537 --> 00:06:46,239 PENNSYLVANIA? 236 00:06:46,239 --> 00:06:47,507 >> WELL, HARI, JOE BIDEN COMING 237 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:48,708 INTO THIS ELECTION IN THE FINAL 238 00:06:48,708 --> 00:06:50,176 WEEKS MADE A VERY STRONG PITCH 239 00:06:50,176 --> 00:06:52,378 TO A COUPLE OF KEY GROUPS: BLACK 240 00:06:52,378 --> 00:06:54,213 VOTERS IN PHILADELPHIA AND 241 00:06:54,213 --> 00:06:55,148 PITTSBURGH, OTHER PARTS OF THE 242 00:06:55,148 --> 00:06:56,549 STATE; AS WELL AS SUBURBAN 243 00:06:56,549 --> 00:06:58,151 VOTERS, THOSE SAME VOTERS THAT 244 00:06:58,151 --> 00:06:59,886 PRESIDENT TRUMP WENT AFTER IN 245 00:06:59,886 --> 00:07:01,087 THE FINAL WEEKS WITH HIS "LAW 246 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:01,854 AND ORDER" MESSAGE. 247 00:07:01,854 --> 00:07:03,156 THOSE SUBURBAN VOTERS TOLD ME 248 00:07:03,156 --> 00:07:04,857 THAT MESSAGE DID NOT RESONATE 249 00:07:04,857 --> 00:07:06,325 WITH THEM FOR THE MOST PART. 250 00:07:06,325 --> 00:07:07,427 TRUMP DID GET SUPPORT IN THE 251 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:09,195 SUBURBS, BUT IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO 252 00:07:09,195 --> 00:07:11,764 HOLD OFF A BIG TURNOUT FOR JOE 253 00:07:11,764 --> 00:07:14,000 BIDEN IN CITIES, IN SUBURBS. 254 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,468 AND IN THE END, THAT "GET OUT 255 00:07:15,468 --> 00:07:17,203 THE VOTE" OPERATION GOT HIM OVER 256 00:07:17,203 --> 00:07:17,937 THE TOP. 257 00:07:17,937 --> 00:07:18,638 >> Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT, DAN 258 00:07:18,638 --> 00:07:19,439 BUSH JOINING US FROM 259 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:20,273 PHILADELPHIA. 260 00:07:20,273 --> 00:07:21,107 THANKS SO MUCH. 261 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:22,675 >> THANK YOU, HARI. 262 00:07:22,675 --> 00:07:23,376 >> Sreenivasan: NEWSHOUR WHITE 263 00:07:23,376 --> 00:07:24,444 HOUSE CORRESPONDENT YAMICHE 264 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:25,411 ALCINDOR JOINED US FROM 265 00:07:25,411 --> 00:07:27,079 WASHINGTON, D.C. FOR MORE ON THE 266 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:28,247 PRESIDENT'S REACTION AND HIS 267 00:07:28,247 --> 00:07:29,816 PLANS. 268 00:07:29,816 --> 00:07:30,983 YAMICHE, WE HEARD FROM DAN BUSH 269 00:07:30,983 --> 00:07:32,952 IN PHILADELPHIA THAT RUDY 270 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:34,487 GIULIANI, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE 271 00:07:34,487 --> 00:07:36,322 TRUMP CAMPAIGN, REGARDLESS OF 272 00:07:36,322 --> 00:07:37,723 WHAT THE ASSOCIATED PRESS SAYS, 273 00:07:37,723 --> 00:07:39,926 REGARDLESS OF THE CALL, THEY ARE 274 00:07:39,926 --> 00:07:41,561 INTERESTED IN PROSECUTING THIS 275 00:07:41,561 --> 00:07:43,696 FURTHER. 276 00:07:43,696 --> 00:07:44,230 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 277 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:45,264 THE PRESIDENT PUT OUT A 278 00:07:45,264 --> 00:07:47,233 STATEMENT JUST MOMENTS AFTER JOE 279 00:07:47,233 --> 00:07:48,100 BIDEN WAS DECLARED THE 280 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:49,469 PRESIDENT-ELECT BY A NUMBER OF 281 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:50,837 NEWS AGENCIES, AS WELL AS THE 282 00:07:50,837 --> 00:07:52,772 A.P., SAYING THAT THIS ELECTION 283 00:07:52,772 --> 00:07:54,273 IS NOT OVER AND THAT HE PLANS TO 284 00:07:54,273 --> 00:07:55,441 PROSECUTE THIS CASE. 285 00:07:55,441 --> 00:07:56,476 NOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE 286 00:07:56,476 --> 00:07:57,276 WHO ARE CLOSE TO PRESIDENT 287 00:07:57,276 --> 00:07:59,245 TRUMP, AND THEY SAY THIS: THE 288 00:07:59,245 --> 00:08:00,680 PRESIDENT WILL AT SOME POINT 289 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,548 HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE MAY 290 00:08:02,548 --> 00:08:03,483 HAVE LOST THIS ELECTION. 291 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:04,617 IT SEEMS LIKE HE WILL LOSE THIS 292 00:08:04,617 --> 00:08:05,284 ELECTION. 293 00:08:05,284 --> 00:08:06,786 BUT HE'S REALLY SET UP TWO CAMPS 294 00:08:06,786 --> 00:08:07,320 OF PEOPLE. 295 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,287 THERE THE PEOPLE LIKE RUDY 296 00:08:08,287 --> 00:08:09,555 GIULIANI, LIKE COREY 297 00:08:09,555 --> 00:08:10,490 LEWANDOWSKI, HIS PERSONAL 298 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:12,091 ATTORNEY AND HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN 299 00:08:12,091 --> 00:08:13,826 MANAGER IN 2016, WHO WILL 300 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:15,528 CONTINUE TO REALLY WANT TO 301 00:08:15,528 --> 00:08:16,863 FIGHT, CONTINUE TO TRY TO EDGE 302 00:08:16,863 --> 00:08:17,864 HIM ON. 303 00:08:17,864 --> 00:08:18,764 BUT THEN, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE 304 00:08:18,764 --> 00:08:19,899 LIKE JARED KUSHNER, HIS SON-IN- 305 00:08:19,899 --> 00:08:20,933 LAW, WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO 306 00:08:20,933 --> 00:08:22,468 REEL HIM BACK WHEN IT'S TIME TO 307 00:08:22,468 --> 00:08:24,070 REEL BACK, TO SAY, "LOOK, YOU'VE 308 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:24,971 LOST THIS THING." 309 00:08:24,971 --> 00:08:26,038 LET'S ALSO JUST STEP BACK EVEN 310 00:08:26,038 --> 00:08:27,073 FURTHER AND SAY THAT THIS WAS A 311 00:08:27,073 --> 00:08:28,341 PRESIDENT WHO RAN AS A POLITICAL 312 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:29,609 OUTSIDER, WHO HAS NOW BEEN 313 00:08:29,609 --> 00:08:31,844 OUSTED BY A RECORD NUMBER OF 314 00:08:31,844 --> 00:08:32,278 VOTERS. 315 00:08:32,278 --> 00:08:33,613 YES, THE ELECTION WAS TIGHT, BUT 316 00:08:33,613 --> 00:08:35,414 JOE BIDEN HAS MORE VOTES THAN 317 00:08:35,414 --> 00:08:36,816 ANY OTHER PERSON WHO HAS RUN FOR 318 00:08:36,816 --> 00:08:37,550 PRESIDENT. 319 00:08:37,550 --> 00:08:39,452 AND THIS REALLY IS A REPUDIATION 320 00:08:39,452 --> 00:08:40,653 OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND ALL OF 321 00:08:40,653 --> 00:08:42,288 THE THINGS THAT HE'S BEEN DOING, 322 00:08:42,288 --> 00:08:44,624 THE RACIST LANGUAGE, THE-- THE 323 00:08:44,624 --> 00:08:46,726 DOWNPLAYING OF THE CORONAVIRUS, 324 00:08:46,726 --> 00:08:47,326 THE SCANDALS. 325 00:08:47,326 --> 00:08:49,262 HE-- HE WILL LEAVE OFFICE-- IF 326 00:08:49,262 --> 00:08:50,429 THIS ALL GOES THROUGH, HE WILL 327 00:08:50,429 --> 00:08:52,064 LEAVE OFFICE AS AN IMPEACHED 328 00:08:52,064 --> 00:08:53,699 PRESIDENT, AND HE WILL JOIN ONLY 329 00:08:53,699 --> 00:08:55,902 NINE OTHER PRESIDENTS IN HISTORY 330 00:08:55,902 --> 00:08:57,036 TO NOT WIN A SECOND TERM. 331 00:08:57,036 --> 00:08:57,837 >> Sreenivasan: LET'S ALSO TALK 332 00:08:57,837 --> 00:08:59,639 ABOUT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF 333 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:01,307 KAMALA HARRIS BEING THE 334 00:09:01,307 --> 00:09:02,842 PRESUMPTIVE VICE PRESIDENT. 335 00:09:02,842 --> 00:09:03,743 >> THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF 336 00:09:03,743 --> 00:09:04,911 POLITICAL POETRY HERE. 337 00:09:04,911 --> 00:09:06,178 PRESIDENT TRUMP BEGAN HIS 338 00:09:06,178 --> 00:09:08,714 POLITICAL CAREER QUESTIONING THE 339 00:09:08,714 --> 00:09:10,516 BIRTHPLACE OF THE FIRST AFRICAN 340 00:09:10,516 --> 00:09:11,517 AMERICAN PRESIDENT IN THAT 341 00:09:11,517 --> 00:09:13,853 RACIST THEORY OF BIRTHERISM, AND 342 00:09:13,853 --> 00:09:14,921 HE'S NOW GOING TO BE LEAVING 343 00:09:14,921 --> 00:09:17,523 OFFICE AND WITH A BLACK WOMAN 344 00:09:17,523 --> 00:09:19,058 COMING INTO OFFICE AS VICE 345 00:09:19,058 --> 00:09:20,459 PRESIDENT, SOMEONE THAT HE'S 346 00:09:20,459 --> 00:09:22,528 MOCKED FOR SAYING HER NAME WRONG 347 00:09:22,528 --> 00:09:24,063 OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 348 00:09:24,063 --> 00:09:25,097 THIS IS, OF COURSE, ALSO A 349 00:09:25,097 --> 00:09:26,132 HISTORIC FIRST. 350 00:09:26,132 --> 00:09:27,833 SENATOR HARRIS, NOW VICE 351 00:09:27,833 --> 00:09:29,502 PRESIDENT-ELECT HARRIS, HAS HAD 352 00:09:29,502 --> 00:09:30,970 SO MANY DIFFERENT FIRSTS IN HER 353 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:32,605 LIFETIME, BUT NOW SHE IS THE 354 00:09:32,605 --> 00:09:34,373 FIRST WOMAN TO BE ELECTED VICE 355 00:09:34,373 --> 00:09:35,274 PRESIDENT-ELECT. 356 00:09:35,274 --> 00:09:36,542 SHE'S THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN, THE 357 00:09:36,542 --> 00:09:38,077 FIRST ASIAN WOMAN, THE FIRST 358 00:09:38,077 --> 00:09:39,712 GRADUATE OF A HISTORICALLY BLACK 359 00:09:39,712 --> 00:09:42,114 COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY, THE 360 00:09:42,114 --> 00:09:43,616 FIRST MEMBER OF THE DIVINE NINE. 361 00:09:43,616 --> 00:09:44,817 THOSE ARE THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN 362 00:09:44,817 --> 00:09:45,318 SORORITIES. 363 00:09:45,318 --> 00:09:46,786 SHE'S THE MEMBER OF ALPHA KAPPA 364 00:09:46,786 --> 00:09:48,454 ALPHA-- ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA 365 00:09:48,454 --> 00:09:50,022 SORORITY, INCORPORATED. 366 00:09:50,022 --> 00:09:50,957 THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT 367 00:09:50,957 --> 00:09:52,325 FIRSTS HERE, AND IT'S HISTORY- 368 00:09:52,325 --> 00:09:53,759 MAKING FOR HER TO WALK INTO 369 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:55,461 OFFICE JUST A HEARTBEAT AWAY 370 00:09:55,461 --> 00:09:56,262 FROM THE PRESIDENCY. 371 00:09:56,262 --> 00:09:57,330 I'VE JUST BEEN TALKING TO BLACK 372 00:09:57,330 --> 00:09:58,497 LIVES MATTER ACTIVISTS AS WELL 373 00:09:58,497 --> 00:10:01,100 AS BEN CRUMP, AN ICON IN SOME 374 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:02,068 WAYS-- THE CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY 375 00:10:02,068 --> 00:10:03,202 WHO HAS DONE SO MANY DIFFERENT 376 00:10:03,202 --> 00:10:05,071 CASES, FROM TRAYVON MARTIN TO 377 00:10:05,071 --> 00:10:06,806 AHMAUD ARBERY TO GEORGE FLOYD-- 378 00:10:06,806 --> 00:10:08,774 AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE FELT HOPE 379 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:09,175 TODAY. 380 00:10:09,175 --> 00:10:11,577 HE FEELS AS THOUGH HIM-- THIS 381 00:10:11,577 --> 00:10:14,113 ELECTION OF KAMALA HARRIS PUTS 382 00:10:14,113 --> 00:10:15,247 AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN WHO HAVE 383 00:10:15,247 --> 00:10:16,515 BEEN THE BACKBONE OF THE 384 00:10:16,515 --> 00:10:18,150 DEMOCRATIC PARTY INTO AN 385 00:10:18,150 --> 00:10:19,452 EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR THE FIRST 386 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:20,419 TIME IN HISTORY. 387 00:10:20,419 --> 00:10:21,654 AND THERE'S REALLY BEEN THIS 388 00:10:21,654 --> 00:10:23,889 FEELING OF EXCITEMENT, THIS 389 00:10:23,889 --> 00:10:25,124 FEELING THAT THINGS MIGHT BE 390 00:10:25,124 --> 00:10:26,325 DIFFERENT THIS TIME AROUND AS WE 391 00:10:26,325 --> 00:10:27,627 LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT 392 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:29,428 WAYS THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS FACE 393 00:10:29,428 --> 00:10:30,863 INJUSTICES AND INEQUALITIES IN 394 00:10:30,863 --> 00:10:31,664 THIS COUNTRY. 395 00:10:31,664 --> 00:10:32,398 >> Sreenivasan: AND THERE ARE AT 396 00:10:32,398 --> 00:10:35,368 LEAST 70 MILLION VOTERS WHO DID 397 00:10:35,368 --> 00:10:37,003 NOT VOTE FOR JOE BIDEN, AND THIS 398 00:10:37,003 --> 00:10:39,238 IS A COUNTRY STILL DEEPLY 399 00:10:39,238 --> 00:10:40,006 DIVIDED. 400 00:10:40,006 --> 00:10:41,273 THAT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT JOE 401 00:10:41,273 --> 00:10:42,208 BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS HAVE 402 00:10:42,208 --> 00:10:43,009 AHEAD OF THEM. 403 00:10:43,009 --> 00:10:43,676 >> I'VE BEEN TALKING TO 404 00:10:43,676 --> 00:10:45,511 DEMOCRATS WHO ARE DOING A LOT OF 405 00:10:45,511 --> 00:10:47,680 SOUL-SEARCHING AND WONDERING WHY 406 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:49,248 THIS ELECTION WAS SO CLOSE. 407 00:10:49,248 --> 00:10:50,416 YOU'RE RIGHT TO SAY THAT THIS 408 00:10:50,416 --> 00:10:52,852 WAS AN ELECTION THAT REALLY PUT 409 00:10:52,852 --> 00:10:55,154 INTO CLEAR FOCUS HOW POLARIZED 410 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:56,355 AMERICA IS. 411 00:10:56,355 --> 00:10:57,623 AND I'VE TALKED TO SO MANY TRUMP 412 00:10:57,623 --> 00:10:58,924 SUPPORTERS AS WELL AS BIDEN 413 00:10:58,924 --> 00:11:01,127 SUPPORTERS WHO SIMPLY CANNOT 414 00:11:01,127 --> 00:11:02,795 UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD 415 00:11:02,795 --> 00:11:03,696 VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE THAT 416 00:11:03,696 --> 00:11:05,331 ISN'T THEIR CANDIDATE OF CHOICE. 417 00:11:05,331 --> 00:11:06,465 BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT 418 00:11:06,465 --> 00:11:08,634 PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS HAD SUCH A 419 00:11:08,634 --> 00:11:10,102 PROBLEMATIC HISTORY WITH TRUTH. 420 00:11:10,102 --> 00:11:11,003 HE'S BEEN SPREADING 421 00:11:11,003 --> 00:11:12,104 DISINFORMATION FOR SO LONG. 422 00:11:12,104 --> 00:11:13,506 WE TALK A LOT ABOUT FOREIGN 423 00:11:13,506 --> 00:11:14,640 INTERFERENCE IN ELECTIONS, BUT 424 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,675 WE RIGHT NOW HAVE A 425 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:17,643 DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN GOING ON 426 00:11:17,643 --> 00:11:18,844 HEADQUARTERED AT THE WHITE HOUSE 427 00:11:18,844 --> 00:11:19,545 WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. 428 00:11:19,545 --> 00:11:20,880 SO, A LOT OF THAT POLARIZATION 429 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,348 IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING THERE. 430 00:11:22,348 --> 00:11:23,049 I SHOULD ALSO SAY THAT 431 00:11:23,049 --> 00:11:24,483 REPUBLICANS ARE FEELING VERY 432 00:11:24,483 --> 00:11:25,785 PRESSURED RIGHT NOW TO STICK 433 00:11:25,785 --> 00:11:26,852 WITH THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY 434 00:11:26,852 --> 00:11:28,287 REALIZE THAT THE PRESIDENT'S 435 00:11:28,287 --> 00:11:29,689 BASE IS GOING TO BE THE BASE 436 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:30,456 THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO 437 00:11:30,456 --> 00:11:32,825 TURN OUT IN 2022 AND 2024. 438 00:11:32,825 --> 00:11:34,226 SO, IT'S ALSO AN INCENTIVE FOR 439 00:11:34,226 --> 00:11:35,594 REPUBLICANS TO CONTINUE TO BE 440 00:11:35,594 --> 00:11:36,796 POLARIZED AS THEY BACK THE 441 00:11:36,796 --> 00:11:37,763 PRESIDENT. 442 00:11:37,763 --> 00:11:38,397 >> Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT. 443 00:11:38,397 --> 00:11:39,799 PBS NEWSHOUR'S YAMICHE ALCINDOR, 444 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:41,000 THANKS SO MUCH. 445 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,601 >> THANKS. 446 00:11:42,601 --> 00:11:43,402 >> Sreenivasan: NEWSHOUR'S JOHN 447 00:11:43,402 --> 00:11:45,004 YANG IS IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE, 448 00:11:45,004 --> 00:11:46,238 WHERE THE PRESIDENT AND VICE 449 00:11:46,238 --> 00:11:47,473 PRESIDENT-ELECT ARE PLANNING AN 450 00:11:47,473 --> 00:11:49,275 8:00 P.M. EASTERN TIME SPEECH 451 00:11:49,275 --> 00:11:51,277 AND CELEBRATION TONIGHT. 452 00:11:51,277 --> 00:11:54,346 SO, JOHN, CERTAINLY NOT AS FAST 453 00:11:54,346 --> 00:11:56,449 AS THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WOULD HAVE 454 00:11:56,449 --> 00:11:59,719 EXPECTED, BUT THE RESULT CAME 455 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:00,453 TODAY NONETHELESS. 456 00:12:00,453 --> 00:12:01,754 WHAT WAS THE IMMEDIATE REACTION 457 00:12:01,754 --> 00:12:03,355 FROM THE BIDEN CAMP? 458 00:12:03,355 --> 00:12:04,657 >> I THINK THEY EXPECTED THIS TO 459 00:12:04,657 --> 00:12:07,493 BE A LITTLE LONG AND DRAWN OUT. 460 00:12:07,493 --> 00:12:08,828 THEY EXPECTED IT TO BE LIKE 461 00:12:08,828 --> 00:12:10,629 THIS, BUT NOT AS LONG AS IT WENT 462 00:12:10,629 --> 00:12:11,230 ON. 463 00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:13,432 AS ONE SENIOR ADVISER TO THE 464 00:12:13,432 --> 00:12:17,536 CAMPAIGN TOLD ME LAST NIGHT, THE 465 00:12:17,536 --> 00:12:19,872 ADVISER SAID THAT NOTHING ABOUT 466 00:12:19,872 --> 00:12:22,441 THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN EASY, SO 467 00:12:22,441 --> 00:12:23,909 WHY SHOULD THE ELECTION BE ANY 468 00:12:23,909 --> 00:12:24,944 DIFFERENT? 469 00:12:24,944 --> 00:12:25,911 >> Sreenivasan: YEAH. 470 00:12:25,911 --> 00:12:27,613 SO, WHAT ARE THE CAMPAIGN'S 471 00:12:27,613 --> 00:12:31,016 PLANS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE 472 00:12:31,016 --> 00:12:32,718 RECOUNTS THAT ARE LIKELY TO 473 00:12:32,718 --> 00:12:34,019 HAPPEN IN GEORGIA AND 474 00:12:34,019 --> 00:12:35,521 PENNSYLVANIA, AND THE LEGAL 475 00:12:35,521 --> 00:12:36,489 CHALLENGES THAT THE TRUMP 476 00:12:36,489 --> 00:12:39,125 CAMPAIGN IS PLANNING TO CONTINUE 477 00:12:39,125 --> 00:12:40,226 TO MOUNT? 478 00:12:40,226 --> 00:12:41,594 >> BOB BAUER, WHO'S THE HEAD OF 479 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:42,962 THE LEGAL TEAM FOR THE BIDEN 480 00:12:42,962 --> 00:12:44,764 CAMPAIGN, SAYS THAT HE DOES NOT 481 00:12:44,764 --> 00:12:47,533 EXPECT ANY OF THESE LEGAL 482 00:12:47,533 --> 00:12:49,502 CHALLENGES TO MAKE ANY 483 00:12:49,502 --> 00:12:50,102 DIFFERENCE. 484 00:12:50,102 --> 00:12:51,003 AND AS YOU'VE SEEN, A LOT OF 485 00:12:51,003 --> 00:12:52,071 THEM HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT AT THE 486 00:12:52,071 --> 00:12:53,572 STATE LEVEL. 487 00:12:53,572 --> 00:12:55,207 HE SAYS THAT IT'S POLITICAL 488 00:12:55,207 --> 00:12:56,675 THEATER. 489 00:12:56,675 --> 00:12:58,778 HE SAYS IT'S A STRATEGY DESTINED 490 00:12:58,778 --> 00:12:59,812 TO FAILURE. 491 00:12:59,812 --> 00:13:02,148 AND THEY ALSO SAY ABOUT THESE 492 00:13:02,148 --> 00:13:03,382 NARROW MARGINS, NUMBER ONE, THEY 493 00:13:03,382 --> 00:13:04,950 SAY A WIN IS A WIN NO MATTER HOW 494 00:13:04,950 --> 00:13:05,951 SMALL. 495 00:13:05,951 --> 00:13:07,720 AND ON THE RECOUNTS, THEY DON'T 496 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,255 SEE ANYTHING IN THESE RECOUNTS 497 00:13:09,255 --> 00:13:11,190 THAT CAN OVERTURN THE RESULTS, 498 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:15,194 THAT THEY EXPECT TO HAVE ENOUGH 499 00:13:15,194 --> 00:13:16,796 ELECTORAL VOTES THAT THEY CAN 500 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:18,497 AFFORD-- NUMBER ONE, THEY CAN 501 00:13:18,497 --> 00:13:19,598 AFFORD TO HAVE SOME STATES GO 502 00:13:19,598 --> 00:13:20,032 THE OTHER WAY. 503 00:13:20,032 --> 00:13:20,866 BUT THEY DON'T THINK THAT'S 504 00:13:20,866 --> 00:13:21,801 GOING TO HAPPEN. 505 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,702 YOU KNOW, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS 506 00:13:23,702 --> 00:13:26,272 SAYS THAT SINCE 2000, THERE HAVE 507 00:13:26,272 --> 00:13:29,441 BEEN 31 STATEWIDE RECOUNTS. 508 00:13:29,441 --> 00:13:31,977 IN ONLY THREE OF THOSE RACES HAS 509 00:13:31,977 --> 00:13:34,180 THE OUTCOME BEEN REVERSED. 510 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:36,649 AND IN EACH OF THOSE THREE, THE 511 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:40,252 MARGIN WAS LESS THAN 300 VOTES. 512 00:13:40,252 --> 00:13:41,887 AND I THINK YOU'RE NOT GOING TO 513 00:13:41,887 --> 00:13:43,389 SEE THAT-- THAT CLOSE OF A 514 00:13:43,389 --> 00:13:45,291 MARGIN IN ANY OF THESE STATES. 515 00:13:45,291 --> 00:13:46,058 >> Sreenivasan: JOHN, I DON'T 516 00:13:46,058 --> 00:13:46,959 KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY REPORTING 517 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:48,394 ON THIS, BUT THE ONLY OTHER 518 00:13:48,394 --> 00:13:49,728 THING THAT REALLY PIERCES 519 00:13:49,728 --> 00:13:51,764 THROUGH THE NEWS CYCLE TODAY IS 520 00:13:51,764 --> 00:13:53,098 THE FACT THAT WE ARE STILL 521 00:13:53,098 --> 00:13:55,568 BREAKING RECORDS WHEN IT COMES 522 00:13:55,568 --> 00:13:56,836 TO THE NUMBER OF COVID-19 523 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:58,470 INFECTIONS AND HOW MANY PEOPLE 524 00:13:58,470 --> 00:14:00,573 ARE ACTUALLY DYING FROM THIS. 525 00:14:00,573 --> 00:14:02,975 I KNOW THAT THE BIDEN TEAM KNOWS 526 00:14:02,975 --> 00:14:04,009 THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE 527 00:14:04,009 --> 00:14:05,010 PRESIDENT, OR HE'S NOT GOING TO 528 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:06,412 BE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT 529 00:14:06,412 --> 00:14:08,214 KAMALA HARRIS, UNTIL THE 530 00:14:08,214 --> 00:14:09,548 SWEARING-IN CEREMONY. 531 00:14:09,548 --> 00:14:11,016 BUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING NOW TO 532 00:14:11,016 --> 00:14:11,951 TRY TO PREPARE? 533 00:14:11,951 --> 00:14:13,219 WHAT KINDS OF POLICY DECISIONS 534 00:14:13,219 --> 00:14:15,721 COULD THEY BE PLANNING FOR? 535 00:14:15,721 --> 00:14:16,755 >> THIS HAS BEEN THE MAJOR 536 00:14:16,755 --> 00:14:18,157 CONTRAST THEY'VE BEEN DRAWING 537 00:14:18,157 --> 00:14:19,725 WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE 538 00:14:19,725 --> 00:14:21,827 CLOSING DAYS OF THE CAMPAIGN 539 00:14:21,827 --> 00:14:23,262 ABOUT HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS 540 00:14:23,262 --> 00:14:26,932 BEEN TREATING THIS PANDEMIC. 541 00:14:26,932 --> 00:14:29,268 THIS WEEK, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT 542 00:14:29,268 --> 00:14:32,972 BIDEN AND-- AND SENATOR HARRIS 543 00:14:32,972 --> 00:14:34,273 HAD A BRIEFING WITH MEDICAL 544 00:14:34,273 --> 00:14:36,242 EXPERTS ON THE CORONAVIRUS. 545 00:14:36,242 --> 00:14:37,776 THEY'VE BEEN HAVING THINGS LIKE 546 00:14:37,776 --> 00:14:40,112 THAT ALL ALONG, BUT EVEN AS THEY 547 00:14:40,112 --> 00:14:41,447 WAITED FOR THE RETURN. 548 00:14:41,447 --> 00:14:42,748 SO, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO 549 00:14:42,748 --> 00:14:44,416 SEE THIS AS BEING SOMETHING 550 00:14:44,416 --> 00:14:47,419 FRONT AND CENTER IN THE 551 00:14:47,419 --> 00:14:49,255 PRESIDENT-ELECT'S TRANSITION 552 00:14:49,255 --> 00:14:49,855 NOW. 553 00:14:49,855 --> 00:14:50,589 >> Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT, JOHN 554 00:14:50,589 --> 00:14:51,790 YANG JOINING US FROM WILMINGTON. 555 00:14:51,790 --> 00:14:52,758 THANKS SO MUCH. 556 00:14:52,758 --> 00:14:54,560 >> THANK YOU. 557 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,194 >> Sreenivasan: THE LEGAL 558 00:14:55,194 --> 00:14:56,195 CHALLENGES IN THIS ELECTION 559 00:14:56,195 --> 00:14:58,264 BEGAN WELL BEFORE ELECTION DAY 560 00:14:58,264 --> 00:14:59,698 WITH LAWSUITS OVER MAIL-IN 561 00:14:59,698 --> 00:15:01,600 VOTING, WHAT BALLOTS WOULD BE 562 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,068 COUNTED, AND MORE. 563 00:15:03,068 --> 00:15:04,536 THE PRESIDENT AND HIS TEAM HAVE 564 00:15:04,536 --> 00:15:06,305 SAID DESPITE JOE BIDEN BEING 565 00:15:06,305 --> 00:15:07,706 DECLARED THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF 566 00:15:07,706 --> 00:15:09,575 THE UNITED STATES, MORE LAWSUITS 567 00:15:09,575 --> 00:15:10,976 LIE IN WAIT. 568 00:15:10,976 --> 00:15:12,244 I SPOKE WITH GUY CHARLES, 569 00:15:12,244 --> 00:15:13,545 PROFESSOR OF LAW AT DUKE 570 00:15:13,545 --> 00:15:15,147 UNIVERSITY AND CO-DIRECTOR OF 571 00:15:15,147 --> 00:15:16,749 THE CENTER ON LAW, RACE AND 572 00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:18,517 POLITICS. 573 00:15:18,517 --> 00:15:20,986 >> THIS ELECTION, EVEN THOUGH IT 574 00:15:20,986 --> 00:15:25,190 HAS BEEN AN ELECTION UNDER A 575 00:15:25,190 --> 00:15:27,459 GLOBAL PANDEMIC, HAS ACTUALLY 576 00:15:27,459 --> 00:15:29,261 BEEN RUN FAIRLY WELL. 577 00:15:29,261 --> 00:15:31,397 AND SO, IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND 578 00:15:31,397 --> 00:15:32,831 PLACES IN THE ELECTION THAT YOU 579 00:15:32,831 --> 00:15:36,402 CAN SAY ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS 580 00:15:36,402 --> 00:15:37,803 WERE COUNTING VOTES THAT WEREN'T 581 00:15:37,803 --> 00:15:38,971 SUPPOSED TO BE COUNTED, THAT 582 00:15:38,971 --> 00:15:40,472 ENABLED PEOPLE TO VOTE WHO 583 00:15:40,472 --> 00:15:41,473 SHOULDN'T HAVE VOTED. 584 00:15:41,473 --> 00:15:42,741 AND GIVEN THE MARGINS OF WHERE 585 00:15:42,741 --> 00:15:44,209 WE KNOW THEM IN THE VARIOUS 586 00:15:44,209 --> 00:15:45,744 BATTLEGROUND STATES, IT'S GOING 587 00:15:45,744 --> 00:15:47,880 TO BE VERY HARD TO FIND EVIDENCE 588 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,883 OF WRONGDOING AND THEREFORE TO 589 00:15:50,883 --> 00:15:54,887 OVERCOME THE ADVANTAGES THAT NOW 590 00:15:54,887 --> 00:15:57,990 PRESIDENT-ELECT JOE BIDEN HAS IN 591 00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:59,358 THESE BATTLEGROUND STATES. 592 00:15:59,358 --> 00:16:00,125 >> Sreenivasan: SO, IT'S NOT 593 00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:01,961 JUST ABOUT FINDING THE KIND OF 594 00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:03,929 ANECDOTAL CASE WHERE THERE MIGHT 595 00:16:03,929 --> 00:16:05,564 BE FOUR BALLOTS MISSING, OR 10 596 00:16:05,564 --> 00:16:07,733 BALLOTS MISSING, BUT SOMETHING 597 00:16:07,733 --> 00:16:09,735 THAT WAS SYSTEMATIC ENOUGH TO 598 00:16:09,735 --> 00:16:12,972 OVERTURN THE 20,000-MARGIN LEAD 599 00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:14,807 IN A STATE, OR THE 50,000-MARGIN 600 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:17,176 LEAD SOMEWHERE ELSE. 601 00:16:17,176 --> 00:16:17,876 >> THAT'S CORRECT. 602 00:16:17,876 --> 00:16:20,145 SO, WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW 603 00:16:20,145 --> 00:16:22,715 IS EITHER A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER 604 00:16:22,715 --> 00:16:26,685 OF BALLOTS-- 50,000 OR 20,000, 605 00:16:26,685 --> 00:16:28,187 30,000 IN PENNSYLVANIA, FOR 606 00:16:28,187 --> 00:16:30,656 EXAMPLE-- AND THOSE BALLOTS 607 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:32,358 SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN COUNTED, 608 00:16:32,358 --> 00:16:34,626 SOMETHING WENT WRONG, THERE IS A 609 00:16:34,626 --> 00:16:36,895 TABULATION ERROR, THERE'S-- 610 00:16:36,895 --> 00:16:39,231 THERE'S SOME MISTAKE OF LAW THAT 611 00:16:39,231 --> 00:16:40,265 HAPPENED. 612 00:16:40,265 --> 00:16:42,968 AND THAT WOULD OVERTURN THE 613 00:16:42,968 --> 00:16:43,402 RESULTS. 614 00:16:43,402 --> 00:16:45,971 THAT WOULD LEAD US TO BELIEVE 615 00:16:45,971 --> 00:16:47,339 THAT THE RESULTS AND THE 616 00:16:47,339 --> 00:16:50,275 ELECTION-- WOULD UNDERMINE OUR 617 00:16:50,275 --> 00:16:51,610 FAITH IN THE RESULT. 618 00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:54,246 SO, FINDING A STRAY VOTER WHO 619 00:16:54,246 --> 00:16:56,548 WAS NOT EITHER ABLE TO VOTE OR 620 00:16:56,548 --> 00:16:58,584 SOMETHING WENT WRONG IN ONE OR 621 00:16:58,584 --> 00:17:01,253 TWO INSTANCES, THAT IS WILDLY 622 00:17:01,253 --> 00:17:02,187 INSUFFICIENT. 623 00:17:02,187 --> 00:17:03,055 AND YOU HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF IN 624 00:17:03,055 --> 00:17:05,591 THE POSITION OF A JUDGE. 625 00:17:05,591 --> 00:17:07,693 THE JUDGE WOULD HAVE TO OVERTURN 626 00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:10,429 AN ELECTION ON THE BASIS OF ONE 627 00:17:10,429 --> 00:17:11,463 OR TWO THINGS THAT WERE WRONG. 628 00:17:11,463 --> 00:17:12,698 AND THEY ARE EVEN HAVING A HARD 629 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:14,867 TIME FINDING THAT, MUCH LESS 630 00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:15,534 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 631 00:17:15,534 --> 00:17:18,437 THOUSANDS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS 632 00:17:18,437 --> 00:17:20,873 SYSTEMATICALLY ACROSS THE 633 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:21,440 COUNTRY. 634 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,075 SO, YOU COULD START WITH 635 00:17:23,075 --> 00:17:23,742 PENNSYLVANIA. 636 00:17:23,742 --> 00:17:24,810 DO HAVE IT THERE? 637 00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:25,544 WELL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT 638 00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:26,879 THERE, IS IT GEORGIA, RIGHT? 639 00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:29,515 THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT THEY 640 00:17:29,515 --> 00:17:30,149 ARE FACING. 641 00:17:30,149 --> 00:17:31,316 AND IT'S-- TO SAY THAT IT'S 642 00:17:31,316 --> 00:17:32,751 UPHILL, I THINK, IS AN 643 00:17:32,751 --> 00:17:34,219 UNDERSTATEMENT. 644 00:17:34,219 --> 00:17:35,587 >> Sreenivasan: BUT ONE THING 645 00:17:35,587 --> 00:17:37,423 PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS, 646 00:17:37,423 --> 00:17:39,058 HOW MANY OF THESE THINGS MAKE IT 647 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,560 TO THE SUPREME COURT AND DOES 648 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,062 THE SUPREME COURT WEIGH IN, 649 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:45,864 SIMILAR TO 2000, WHERE THE 650 00:17:45,864 --> 00:17:47,099 DECISION TO STOP THE COUNT IN 651 00:17:47,099 --> 00:17:49,301 FLORIDA AT THAT POINT WAS 652 00:17:49,301 --> 00:17:50,402 SIGNIFICANT? 653 00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:52,938 AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE A 654 00:17:52,938 --> 00:17:55,774 PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE BASED ON ALL 655 00:17:55,774 --> 00:17:57,076 OF THESE COUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN 656 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,077 HAPPENING IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT 657 00:17:58,077 --> 00:17:58,944 STATES, BUT THERE ARE LEGAL 658 00:17:58,944 --> 00:18:00,879 CHALLENGES IN MULTIPLE STATES 659 00:18:00,879 --> 00:18:02,147 THAT THE ADMINISTRATION-- OR, I 660 00:18:02,147 --> 00:18:03,715 SHOULD SAY, THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN-- 661 00:18:03,715 --> 00:18:05,350 HAS MADE. 662 00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:05,984 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 663 00:18:05,984 --> 00:18:08,720 SO, THE-- THIS CASE IS NOT 664 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,556 COMPARABLE TO BUSH V. GORE. 665 00:18:10,556 --> 00:18:13,959 SO, IN 2000, YOU BASICALLY-- THE 666 00:18:13,959 --> 00:18:16,361 ELECTION CAME DOWN TO ONE STATE, 667 00:18:16,361 --> 00:18:18,063 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY 668 00:18:18,063 --> 00:18:19,598 SMALL MARGIN. 669 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:21,400 AND REALLY, THEN, THERE'S A 670 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,036 SIGNIFICANT QUESTION AS TO HOW 671 00:18:24,036 --> 00:18:26,438 THE BALLOTS WERE BEING COUNTED, 672 00:18:26,438 --> 00:18:28,607 AND WERE THEY BEING COUNTED IN A 673 00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:30,409 WAY THAT WAS UNIFORM. 674 00:18:30,409 --> 00:18:32,144 MOREOVER, AS THE PROCESS WENT 675 00:18:32,144 --> 00:18:35,481 ALONG AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE 676 00:18:35,481 --> 00:18:37,015 CERTIFIED A WINNER, THEN THE 677 00:18:37,015 --> 00:18:39,651 QUESTION WAS, CAN YOU-- WHAT IS 678 00:18:39,651 --> 00:18:40,853 IT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO TO 679 00:18:40,853 --> 00:18:42,888 OVERCOME THAT PRESUMPTION? 680 00:18:42,888 --> 00:18:45,457 AND WILL CONTINUING THE PROCESS 681 00:18:45,457 --> 00:18:49,528 UNDERMINE THE LEGITIMACY OF-- OF 682 00:18:49,528 --> 00:18:50,562 THE ELECTION, ESPECIALLY IN 683 00:18:50,562 --> 00:18:51,430 LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THERE 684 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:53,632 DIDN'T SEEM TO BE SIGNIFICANT 685 00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:55,100 EVIDENCE OR ANY EVIDENCE OF 686 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:56,335 WRONGDOING. 687 00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:58,203 AND SO, YOU HAD A WINNER WHO WAS 688 00:18:58,203 --> 00:18:59,471 TRYING TO PRESERVE-- THIS WAS 689 00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:02,841 BUSH-- TRYING TO PRESERVE HIS 690 00:19:02,841 --> 00:19:03,976 MARGINS. 691 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:04,743 IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE THE 692 00:19:04,743 --> 00:19:07,112 PRESIDENT WHO IS BEHIND, 693 00:19:07,112 --> 00:19:08,881 SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND AND IN A 694 00:19:08,881 --> 00:19:11,183 NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STATES. 695 00:19:11,183 --> 00:19:12,584 AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME-- 696 00:19:12,584 --> 00:19:13,719 ANYWHERE NEAR THE SAME SET OF 697 00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:15,654 QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE 698 00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:17,756 COUNTING OF THE BALLOTS. 699 00:19:17,756 --> 00:19:19,358 AS FAR AS WE KNOW, ALL OF THE 700 00:19:19,358 --> 00:19:21,293 EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE IN ALL OF 701 00:19:21,293 --> 00:19:23,262 THESE VARIOUS STATES IS THAT THE 702 00:19:23,262 --> 00:19:25,197 BALLOTS WERE ACCURATELY COUNTED. 703 00:19:25,197 --> 00:19:26,765 AND SO, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING 704 00:19:26,765 --> 00:19:28,400 FOR HIM TO POINT TO, RIGHT? 705 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,568 SO, IT DOESN'T COME DOWN TO ONE 706 00:19:29,568 --> 00:19:31,670 STATE HE'S BEHIND, HE DOESN'T 707 00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:32,738 HAVE THE EVIDENCE. 708 00:19:32,738 --> 00:19:34,873 AND IT JUST IS NOT A COMPARABLE 709 00:19:34,873 --> 00:19:35,374 SITUATION. 710 00:19:35,374 --> 00:19:37,409 AS MUCH AS ONE WOULD LIKE FOR IT 711 00:19:37,409 --> 00:19:39,611 TO BE, THE FACTS JUST ARE NOT 712 00:19:39,611 --> 00:19:40,879 THERE. 713 00:19:40,879 --> 00:19:41,547 >> Sreenivasan: GUY CHARLES, 714 00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:42,381 PROFESSOR OF LAW AT DUKE 715 00:19:42,381 --> 00:19:43,282 UNIVERSITY, THANKS SO MUCH FOR 716 00:19:43,282 --> 00:19:44,082 JOINING US. 717 00:19:44,082 --> 00:19:44,816 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING 718 00:19:44,816 --> 00:19:46,185 ME. 719 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:47,786 >> Sreenivasan: AS JOE BIDEN IS 720 00:19:47,786 --> 00:19:49,688 PROJECTED TO BE PRESIDENT-ELECT, 721 00:19:49,688 --> 00:19:51,056 THE UNITED STATES IS REPORTING 722 00:19:51,056 --> 00:19:53,292 RECORD NUMBERS OF NEW COVID-19 723 00:19:53,292 --> 00:19:55,160 INFECTIONS, INCLUDING THE WHITE 724 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,662 HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF. 725 00:19:56,662 --> 00:19:58,530 MARK MEADOWS TESTED POSITIVE FOR 726 00:19:58,530 --> 00:19:59,731 THE CORONAVIRUS, SENIOR 727 00:19:59,731 --> 00:20:00,966 ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS 728 00:20:00,966 --> 00:20:02,367 CONFIRMED YESTERDAY. 729 00:20:02,367 --> 00:20:03,902 THERE ARE ALSO REPORTS THAT 730 00:20:03,902 --> 00:20:05,270 SEVERAL OTHER WHITE HOUSE 731 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:07,506 STAFFERS ARE ALSO POSITIVE. 732 00:20:07,506 --> 00:20:08,740 THE NEW POSITIVE CASES IN THE 733 00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:10,175 WHITE HOUSE INNER CIRCLE COME AS 734 00:20:10,175 --> 00:20:11,910 THE U.S. RECORDED MORE THAN 735 00:20:11,910 --> 00:20:15,714 126,000 CASES IN THE LAST 24 736 00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:17,916 HOURS, A NEW RECORD ACCORDING TO 737 00:20:17,916 --> 00:20:19,885 RESEARCHERS AT JOHNS HOPKINS. 738 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:21,420 THE DAILY DEATH TOLL, WHICH IS 739 00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:23,655 SEEN AS A LAGGING INDICATOR, WAS 740 00:20:23,655 --> 00:20:26,992 MORE THAN 1,146 IN THE LAST 24 741 00:20:26,992 --> 00:20:27,593 HOURS. 742 00:20:27,593 --> 00:20:29,761 THAT'S THE FOURTH DAY IN A ROW 743 00:20:29,761 --> 00:20:31,830 IT HAS BEEN ABOVE 1,000. 744 00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:33,599 IN TOTAL, THE U.S. HAS RECORDED 745 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:36,902 MORE THAN 236,000 DEATHS. 746 00:20:36,902 --> 00:20:38,303 GLOBALLY, THE NUMBER OF DAILY 747 00:20:38,303 --> 00:20:40,239 INFECTIONS ARE ALSO AT RECORD 748 00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:42,474 LEVELS WITH MORE THAN 600,000 749 00:20:42,474 --> 00:20:44,810 NEW CASES RECORDED ON FRIDAY. 750 00:20:44,810 --> 00:20:47,012 IN TOTAL, THE NUMBER OF CASES IS 751 00:20:47,012 --> 00:20:49,081 APPROCHING 50 MILLION, WITH MORE 752 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:52,017 THAN 1.2 MILLION DEATHS. 753 00:20:52,017 --> 00:20:54,119 IN ITALY, A PARTIAL SHUTDOWN OF 754 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,887 NONESSENTIAL BUSINESSES STARTED 755 00:20:55,887 --> 00:20:57,789 YESTERDAY WHILE IN THE U.K., A 756 00:20:57,789 --> 00:20:59,224 LOCKDOWN THAT INCLUDES ALL 757 00:20:59,224 --> 00:21:00,726 RESTAURANTS, GYMS, AND 758 00:21:00,726 --> 00:21:02,527 NONESSENTIAL RETAIL STARTED ON 759 00:21:02,527 --> 00:21:03,462 THURSDAY. 760 00:21:03,462 --> 00:21:04,997 AND IN GERMANY, WHICH RECORDED A 761 00:21:04,997 --> 00:21:06,164 RECORD NUMBER OF CASES 762 00:21:06,164 --> 00:21:08,467 YESTERDAY, A FOUR-WEEK PARTIAL 763 00:21:08,467 --> 00:21:10,168 LOCKDOWN BEGAN EARLIER THIS 764 00:21:10,168 --> 00:21:12,971 WEEK. 765 00:21:12,971 --> 00:21:14,106 FOR MORE ON PRESIDENT-ELECT JOE 766 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:15,407 BIDEN AND HIS ROAD TO VICTORY, 767 00:21:15,407 --> 00:21:20,779 VISIT www.pbs.org/newshour. 768 00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:21,513 >> Sreenivasan: ONE OF THE TOO- 769 00:21:21,513 --> 00:21:23,215 CLOSE-TO-CALL STATES WHERE THERE 770 00:21:23,215 --> 00:21:25,217 WILL BE A RECOUNT IS THE 771 00:21:25,217 --> 00:21:26,818 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS 772 00:21:26,818 --> 00:21:27,586 GEORGIA. 773 00:21:27,586 --> 00:21:29,888 THERE ARE ALSO TWO U.S. SENATE 774 00:21:29,888 --> 00:21:31,456 SEATS WHERE NO CANDIDATE 775 00:21:31,456 --> 00:21:33,058 RECEIVED 50% OF THE VOTE. 776 00:21:33,058 --> 00:21:34,693 THAT MEANS THERE WILL BE A RUN- 777 00:21:34,693 --> 00:21:36,561 OFF ELECTION THAT WILL DETERMINE 778 00:21:36,561 --> 00:21:38,397 WHICH PARTY CONTROLS THE SENATE 779 00:21:38,397 --> 00:21:39,998 DURING THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. 780 00:21:39,998 --> 00:21:41,400 I SPOKE WITH RICKEY BEVINGTON, 781 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,668 SENIOR CORRESPONDENT FOR GEORGIA 782 00:21:42,668 --> 00:21:43,935 PUBLIC BROADCASTING, WHO JOINED 783 00:21:43,935 --> 00:21:45,237 US FROM ATLANTA. 784 00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:46,405 RICKEY, IT'S SURPRISING TO A LOT 785 00:21:46,405 --> 00:21:48,106 OF PEOPLE THAT GEORGIA PLAYED 786 00:21:48,106 --> 00:21:49,675 SUCH AN INFLUENTIAL AND A 787 00:21:49,675 --> 00:21:53,612 CRITICAL ROLE IN THIS ELECTION. 788 00:21:53,612 --> 00:21:55,947 GOING FORWARD, REGARDLESS OF 789 00:21:55,947 --> 00:21:57,716 WHAT THE COUNT IS AT THIS VERY 790 00:21:57,716 --> 00:21:59,985 MOMENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A 791 00:21:59,985 --> 00:22:02,154 RECOUNT, RIGHT? 792 00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:03,288 >> ABSOLUTELY, HARI. 793 00:22:03,288 --> 00:22:05,157 SO, GEORGIA WILL FIRST DO AN 794 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:06,925 AUDIT NEXT WEEK. 795 00:22:06,925 --> 00:22:07,993 GEORGIA HAS A BRAND-NEW 796 00:22:07,993 --> 00:22:09,227 ELECTIONS AND VOTING AND 797 00:22:09,227 --> 00:22:10,595 BALLOTING SYSTEM. 798 00:22:10,595 --> 00:22:11,897 SO, THERE WILL BE AN AUDIT, 799 00:22:11,897 --> 00:22:13,098 WHICH IS NOT A RECOUNT, NEXT 800 00:22:13,098 --> 00:22:14,733 WEEK, SIMPLY TO MAKE SURE THAT 801 00:22:14,733 --> 00:22:17,169 THE NEW SYSTEM WORKED, RIGHT? 802 00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,870 AND THEN, AFTER THE AUDIT, IN 803 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:20,706 ABOUT TWO WEEKS, IT WILL BE AN 804 00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:22,574 ACTUAL RECOUNT OF THE NEARLY 805 00:22:22,574 --> 00:22:24,743 FIVE MILLION BALLOTS CAST IN THE 806 00:22:24,743 --> 00:22:26,678 STATE OF GEORGIA IN 2020. 807 00:22:26,678 --> 00:22:27,813 >> Sreenivasan: AND THEN, AS 808 00:22:27,813 --> 00:22:29,915 WE TURN THIS PAGE-- IF WE TURN 809 00:22:29,915 --> 00:22:33,085 THIS PAGE EASILY-- GEORGIA IS 810 00:22:33,085 --> 00:22:36,088 GOING TO HAVE TWO SENATE RUNOFF 811 00:22:36,088 --> 00:22:40,158 ELECTIONS COMING JANUARY 5, AND, 812 00:22:40,158 --> 00:22:41,460 FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT USUAL TO 813 00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:43,528 HAVE TWO SENATE ELECTIONS AT THE 814 00:22:43,528 --> 00:22:44,830 SAME TIME. 815 00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:46,365 BUT THEY'RE INCREDIBLY 816 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:49,000 INFLUENTIAL THIS TIME. 817 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,936 >> IT'S PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY. 818 00:22:50,936 --> 00:22:52,237 GEORGIA REALLY IS GOING TO BE 819 00:22:52,237 --> 00:22:53,739 THE CENTER OF THE AMERICAN 820 00:22:53,739 --> 00:22:55,540 POLITICAL UNIVERSE BETWEEN NOW 821 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:57,275 AND JANUARY 5, WHICH IS THE 822 00:22:57,275 --> 00:22:59,244 RUNOFF ELECTION DAY. 823 00:22:59,244 --> 00:23:00,779 INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN DAVID 824 00:23:00,779 --> 00:23:03,915 PERDUE IS SEEKING A SECOND TERM. 825 00:23:03,915 --> 00:23:07,419 HE DID NOT GET THE 50% THRESHOLD 826 00:23:07,419 --> 00:23:08,920 TO AVOID A RUNOFF AGAINST 827 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,522 DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER JON 828 00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:11,757 OSSOFF. 829 00:23:11,757 --> 00:23:14,126 AND INCUMBENT APPOINTED SENATOR, 830 00:23:14,126 --> 00:23:15,360 ANOTHER REPUBLICAN, KELLY 831 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,796 LOEFFLER, ALSO DID NOT GET ABOVE 832 00:23:17,796 --> 00:23:20,966 THE 50% THRESHOLD TO AVOID A 833 00:23:20,966 --> 00:23:21,533 RUNOFF. 834 00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:23,502 NOW, THERE WERE 20 CHALLENGERS 835 00:23:23,502 --> 00:23:24,302 AGAINST LOEFFLER. 836 00:23:24,302 --> 00:23:26,238 THIS WAS A VERY UNIQUE SPECIAL 837 00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:27,205 ELECTION. 838 00:23:27,205 --> 00:23:28,807 RARELY WOULD WE SEE TWO 839 00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:30,242 SENATORIAL ELECTIONS IN ONE 840 00:23:30,242 --> 00:23:30,842 YEAR. 841 00:23:30,842 --> 00:23:32,811 HOWEVER, OUR FORMER SENIOR 842 00:23:32,811 --> 00:23:34,446 SENATOR, JOHNNY ISAKSON, HAD TO 843 00:23:34,446 --> 00:23:36,882 RESIGN, RETIRE ABOUT A YEAR AGO 844 00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:38,083 DUE TO HEALTH REASONS. 845 00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:39,751 SO, LOEFFLER WAS APPOINTED. 846 00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:41,686 SHE TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY, AND 847 00:23:41,686 --> 00:23:43,155 SO THAT'S WHY WE CALLED IT A 848 00:23:43,155 --> 00:23:45,457 "JUNGLE PRIMARY," AND ANY 849 00:23:45,457 --> 00:23:47,359 CANDIDATE COULD RUN WHO WANTED 850 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:47,659 TO. 851 00:23:47,659 --> 00:23:49,428 LOEFFLER WILL FACE THE REVEREND 852 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,063 RAPHAEL WARNOCK ON JANUARY 5. 853 00:23:52,063 --> 00:23:54,266 HE IS CURRENTLY PASTOR OF 854 00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:55,434 DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING'S FORMER 855 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:56,768 CHURCH, EBENEZER BAPTIST CHURCH 856 00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:59,237 IN ATLANTA. 857 00:23:59,237 --> 00:24:00,338 >> Sreenivasan: AND THOSE TWO 858 00:24:00,338 --> 00:24:02,674 SENATE RACES COULD VERY WELL 859 00:24:02,674 --> 00:24:04,543 DETERMINE THE BALANCE OF POWER 860 00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:07,979 IN THE U.S. SENATE, AND, REALLY, 861 00:24:07,979 --> 00:24:09,815 WHAT KIND OF POWER JOE BIDEN 862 00:24:09,815 --> 00:24:12,417 WOULD HAVE IF HE IS PRESIDENT. 863 00:24:12,417 --> 00:24:14,119 >> IT'S PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY, 864 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,689 HARI, AND THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW 865 00:24:17,689 --> 00:24:19,391 WHO'S GOING TO WIN. 866 00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:21,893 IF BOTH DEMOCRATS ARE 867 00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,128 SUCCESSFUL-- WHICH WOULD BE 868 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:24,663 ANOTHER HISTORIC EVENT-- IN 869 00:24:24,663 --> 00:24:27,232 THESE TWO SENATE RUNOFFS, YES, 870 00:24:27,232 --> 00:24:28,934 THE DEMOCRATS WOULD TAKE THE 871 00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:30,068 SENATE. 872 00:24:30,068 --> 00:24:32,304 IF ONE WINS-- THIS IS WHAT I 873 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:34,039 MEAN WHEN I SAY THAT GEORGIA IS 874 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:34,806 GOING TO BE THE CENTER OF THE 875 00:24:34,806 --> 00:24:36,074 POLITICAL UNIVERSE. 876 00:24:36,074 --> 00:24:36,942 IT'S EXTRAORDINARY. 877 00:24:36,942 --> 00:24:37,776 AND, OF COURSE, THERE'S KAMALA 878 00:24:37,776 --> 00:24:39,444 HARRIS, WHO WOULD BE A 879 00:24:39,444 --> 00:24:42,113 TIE-BREAKER VOTE IN THE SENATE 880 00:24:42,113 --> 00:24:43,949 IF IT'S JUST THAT CLOSE IN THE 881 00:24:43,949 --> 00:24:46,084 TERMS OF THE BALANCE OF POWER. 882 00:24:46,084 --> 00:24:49,921 NOW, WE ARE EXPECTING IN GEORGIA 883 00:24:49,921 --> 00:24:51,890 MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 884 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:54,693 TO BE SPENT BY A LOT OF GROUPS 885 00:24:54,693 --> 00:24:55,727 TRYING TO GET OUT THE VOTE FOR 886 00:24:55,727 --> 00:24:58,530 THEIR CANDIDATE COME JANUARY 5. 887 00:24:58,530 --> 00:24:59,097 >> Sreenivasan: RICKEY 888 00:24:59,097 --> 00:24:59,931 BEVINGTON OF GEORGIA PUBLIC 889 00:24:59,931 --> 00:25:01,700 BROADCASTING, THANKS SO MUCH. 890 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:13,445 >> THANKS, HARI. 891 00:25:13,445 --> 00:25:14,379 >> Sreenivasan: FINALLY TONIGHT, 892 00:25:14,379 --> 00:25:15,714 PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN AND VICE 893 00:25:15,714 --> 00:25:16,882 PRESIDENT-ELECT KAMALA HARRIS 894 00:25:16,882 --> 00:25:18,416 WILL SPEAK TO THE NATION AT 895 00:25:18,416 --> 00:25:20,519 8:00 P.M. 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