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JUDY WOODRUFF: And that
brings us to Politics Monday.

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I'm back with our regular duo,
Amy Walter of The Cook Political
Report and host of "Politics

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With Amy Walter" on WNYC Radio,
and Tamara Keith of NPR, and
co-host of "NPR Politics."

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Hello, duo.

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AMY WALTER, The Cook
Political Report: Hi.

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TAMARA KEITH, National
Public Radio: Hello.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: How
do you like that?

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AMY WALTER: I like it a lot.

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(LAUGHTER)

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JUDY WOODRUFF: So, let's
talk about -- interesting
what we heard, Tam, from
Pete Buttigieg, talking

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openly for the first time that
we have seen in this season
about his decision to come

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out as gay, what a struggle
it was when he was a young
person, and making the religious

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connection.

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What do we make of that?

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TAMARA KEITH: He, as a
candidate, has found to a way
to present himself in a way that

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is very nonthreatening, to
present his religion in a
way that is -- that comes
off as nonthreatening,

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and to couch his gay marriage
with his husband in religious
terms, to say that it brought

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him closer to God.

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It is -- through -- he's
not a very well-known guy.

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He is the mayor of South Bend,
Indiana, and he has gotten
a lot of attention, though.

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As I have been traveling around
the country, the candidate
that people ask me about the

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most is Pete Buttigieg.

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"What do you think of
this Mayor Pete guy?"

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Again and again and
again, I keep hearing it.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: What
did you make of this?

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AMY WALTER: Yes, I
think Democrats do.

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They want to fall in
love with someone.

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They want to be
inspired by somebody.

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And they don't quite know
yet who to fall in love with,
but Pete Buttigieg definitely

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is someone who's capturing
their attention, in part because
of -- like that speech, the

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authenticity is just palpable.

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Here he is.

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It's not just discussing
coming out, running as
an openly gay candidate.

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It was -- in the speech,
he talks about, being
a young person and
saying, if I could have

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taken a pill to get rid of
whatever gay was in there,
I would have done it.

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That's how sort of
ashamed I was of who I am.

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And so there's this
realness here that you
don't hear from candidates.

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It also speaks, though, to
where we are at this point in
politics and what certain voters

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are looking for on the
Democratic side, somebody
who's willing, not to
say, I'm a demigod,

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I'm so impressive, that's
why you should elect me
president, I'm so much
better than everybody

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else.

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It's, I'm so much like you.

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The final thing about the
values argument, Judy, is that
this is the other piece of the

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argument he makes, not just
in this speech, but in every
other, which is, Republicans

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have been on the offense
on values, Democrats
have been on the defense.

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We need to take this issue back.

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We have been playing on
Trump and Republicans'
ground for too long.

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We need to be the
party of values.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: You're right.

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It's a theme that he
has been bringing up.

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AMY WALTER: That's right.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Tam, you
were with a group of voters in
Iowa talking to them about some

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of these 2020 Democrats.

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What are you hearing?

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TAMARA KEITH: Yes.

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And these were young voters.

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Sat down with nine of them
for an extended conversation,
really to just understand where

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their minds are.

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In Iowa, they have already
met numerous presidential
candidates, all of them,
because that's what

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happens when you're
a voter in Iowa.

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And the fascinating thing was
that five of them had said
that, in 2016, they gave money

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to Bernie Sanders.

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Now, some of that was, they
wanted to get a sticker.

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They were too young to vote,
but they were Bernie fans.

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This time, they aren't
planning to caucus for
Bernie at this point.

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Only one person said that she
planned to caucus for Sanders.

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They were excited
about Beto O'Rourke.

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They were excited
about Buttigieg.

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The other thing that
was fascinating is, most
of these people I was
talking to were young

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women.

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And yet the female candidates
were not getting attention
in this conversation.

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Only one said she was thinking
she might caucus for Harris.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: Interesting,
a desire for something
new and something male.

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AMY WALTER: Something new.

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(LAUGHTER)

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AMY WALTER: And, also, this
is the challenge for Bernie
Sanders going forward, right?

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He was -- the contrast
between he and Hillary
Clinton was so sharp in 2016.

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TAMARA KEITH: Right.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: It was
just the two of them.

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AMY WALTER: Just
the two of them.

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Now there are many people who
are trying to get that mantle.

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The one difference, though, I
would say between Bernie Sanders
and everybody else in that

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field, maybe with the exception
of Elizabeth Warren, is, he
is running as a revolutionary,

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and the others are running
really sort of as restorative
candidates, right?

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You hear this from Joe
Biden, from Buttigieg,
from others, their style,
the ways that they're

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talking about going back to
this place where we could care
about each other, where we were

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willing to look beyond our
differences, vs., we want to
upend the entire system, which

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is the Warren-Bernie
Sanders, the system in
itself is corrupted,
and it must be replaced.

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And that tension, I think,
is a significant one.

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But I do think that that part
of the party that wants a
real revolution, they're going

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to stick with Bernie Sanders.

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The question is, how big of
a universe is that, and if
that core that he has sticks

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with him, that he has right
now in polling, sticks with
him, enough so that he builds

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up enough delegates,
especially early in the game,
that he remains a factor.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: And an
interesting contrast in their
approach to President Trump.

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AMY WALTER: That's right.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: His own
kind of revolutionary,
blowing things up.

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AMY WALTER: Exactly.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you want to
emulate that, or do you want
to go in a kinder, gentler

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direction?

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AMY WALTER: Correct.

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Correct.

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TAMARA KEITH: Do you want to
knock the house down, or do
you want to gut it and keep the

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frame?

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(CROSSTALK)

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JUDY WOODRUFF: Brick
by brick, or...

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(CROSSTALK)

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TAMARA KEITH: Or do you want
to just do the bathroom?

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JUDY WOODRUFF: Right.

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(LAUGHTER)

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JUDY WOODRUFF: Or something.

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TAMARA KEITH: Something.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Tam,
quickly to the president.

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And speaking of blowing
things up, immigration policy,
the president's on a tear.

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He wants a tougher
immigration policy.

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He's getting rid of the
second homeland security
secretary in a row.

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What -- clearly, this
appeals to -- he thinks,
to his base of supporters.

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But is it going to
appeal to anybody else?

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TAMARA KEITH: Not necessarily.

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But I don't think he's
worried about anybody else.

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He's worried about a bad number
coming out from March that
says something like 100,000

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border crossers occurred, and
the trend not going in the
direction that he wants it to

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go.

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He ran on, I'm going
to fix this thing.

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And, at the moment,
it doesn't look fixed.

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And so he's doing a lot
of things where he's
signaling, yes, the
numbers do not look good,

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but I'm on it.

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And he shut the
government down over it.

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He did the emergency
declaration over the wall.

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And now he's -- we don't
know whether it was a
firing or a resignation
under fire or whatever

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you want to call it.

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But his homeland security
secretary is gone.

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And he is shaking things
up in that department,
again, signaling that,
yes, he knows he made

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this promise, and it's not
looking like it's being kept.

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But he can run on it anyway.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: Less than 30
seconds, but smart politically?

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AMY WALTER: Right.

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So what Democrats will argue
is, yes, well, we'd be happy
to make the case in 2020 that

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his immigration policies,
especially separating
families, are a topic, right?

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If the president wants to talk
about he is fulfilling his
promises, or he won in 2016

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because he believes of
immigration, he's going
to lose in 2020 by the
way he has gone about

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trying to implement
his policies.

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JUDY WOODRUFF: We don't
want to wait to find
out what the answer is.

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We want the answer now.

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We want to know whether
it's going to work or not.

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AMY WALTER: We
have so much time.

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So much time.

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(LAUGHTER)

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JUDY WOODRUFF: We do.

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Amy Walter, Tamara Keith,
the duo, thank you.

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TAMARA KEITH: Thank you.

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AMY WALTER: Thanks, Judy.