WEBVTT 00:02.000 --> 00:04.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HARI SREENIVASAN: Let's turn to the continuing fallout and reaction to the Harvey Weinstein 00:04.166 --> 00:06.166 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% story. 00:06.166 --> 00:09.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Yesterday, Weinstein resigned from the board of his production company following numerous 00:09.033 --> 00:13.366 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% revelations of sexual harassment and several allegations of assault. 00:13.366 --> 00:17.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% More than three dozen women have said Weinstein harassed them. While Weinstein has admitted 00:17.900 --> 00:22.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% to behaving inappropriately, he has said he didn't physically assault anyone. 00:22.733 --> 00:26.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% One of those women is Katherine Kendall. She was a 23-year-old actress who met Weinstein 00:26.800 --> 00:31.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% in 1993. She alleges that he invited her to his apartment in New York, where, she says, 00:31.066 --> 00:34.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% he took off his clothes and asked for a massage. 00:34.266 --> 00:39.266 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% As other actresses began coming forward about their painful experiences, she also went public 00:40.033 --> 00:41.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% with her own story. 00:41.300 --> 00:42.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% She joins me now from Los Angeles. 00:42.933 --> 00:45.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% First, thanks for joining us. 00:45.000 --> 00:48.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I don't want to relive something that's painful for you, but you are taking a public 00:48.533 --> 00:50.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% stance on it. 00:50.100 --> 00:52.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% For people who don't know your story, what happened? 00:52.166 --> 00:56.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% KATHERINE KENDALL, Actress: Well, I was you know, a young actress, and I had had a formal 00:57.933 --> 01:02.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% meeting at the Miramax office earlier that day. 01:02.233 --> 01:06.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And then, at the end of the meeting, which I thought went really well, he invited me 01:06.766 --> 01:11.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% to come to screenings. He said: "Welcome to the Miramax family. You know, come to premieres, 01:13.633 --> 01:18.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% screenings, et cetera. In fact, there's one this afternoon. Would you like to come?" 01:18.166 --> 01:20.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And I said, "Sure." 01:20.266 --> 01:25.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I ended up going to see a movie with him. It ended up just being a movie, not a screening, 01:27.066 --> 01:31.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% but the film "Red Rock West." And, you know, that's right when I had this sort of sinking 01:32.800 --> 01:37.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% feeling that something wasn't going right. 01:37.100 --> 01:42.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And then, after the movie, we walked for a few blocks. And he said he needed to go up 01:44.100 --> 01:48.400 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% to his apartment to get something, and would I just come with him real quick? And I sort 01:50.366 --> 01:53.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% of said no, and we went back and forth on that for a minute. It was sort of a negotiation 01:55.500 --> 01:58.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% with him always, trying to sort of stand my ground, but then be convinced it was OK. 02:00.700 --> 02:05.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I did go into his apartment. Once there, we talked for a long time about art and movies. 02:08.100 --> 02:12.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I felt like he was treating me like an intellect. 02:12.100 --> 02:15.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I felt like the meeting was going really well, and sort of continued. I didn't feel 02:15.966 --> 02:20.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% unsafe once I was in there. And, at one point, then, he got up to go to the bathroom. And 02:24.966 --> 02:29.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% he came back in a robe and asked me to give him a massage. 02:31.933 --> 02:35.033 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And I was extremely uncomfortable. And I was like, oh, God, no, I'm not comfortable with 02:36.166 --> 02:38.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that. And we went back and forth on that. 02:38.233 --> 02:43.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And then he went back to the bathroom again, and came back this time completely naked. 02:45.133 --> 02:49.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And, you know, that changed it entirely for me, too. It just took it to the next place. 02:51.566 --> 02:55.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It was completely disorienting. And I was scared, you know? I was really scared. 02:57.966 --> 03:00.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And then it became sort of a cat-and-mouse game of, like, how am I going to get out of 03:00.800 --> 03:02.766 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% there? 03:02.766 --> 03:06.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I'm -- it's hard to make sense of what someone is trying to do to you when they're 03:06.733 --> 03:08.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% fully naked, and they're... 03:08.000 --> 03:10.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% HARI SREENIVASAN: Yes. 03:10.000 --> 03:13.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% KATHERINE KENDALL: You know, I'm 105 pounds. He's a large man standing between me and the 03:13.933 --> 03:15.966 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% door. 03:15.966 --> 03:19.933 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And, I mean, I felt very resolute, like, I will definitely get out of here somehow. But 03:22.433 --> 03:27.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I'm not -- I'm not sure -- I'm not sure what's going to happen here. You know, a lot was 03:27.433 --> 03:29.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% going through my head. 03:29.466 --> 03:34.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And he said, well, if you won't give me a massage, will you at least show me your breasts? 03:36.033 --> 03:39.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And it was just -- you know, it was, all in all, an extremely humiliating experience for 03:39.733 --> 03:41.833 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% me. 03:41.833 --> 03:45.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And even though I got away, I felt like something had still -- like something horrible had just 03:47.766 --> 03:49.833 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% happened to me. 03:49.833 --> 03:53.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HARI SREENIVASAN: You know, in the immediate aftermath, did you tell someone about it? 03:55.300 --> 03:56.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Because you have said before that you felt ashamed... 03:56.300 --> 03:57.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% KATHERINE KENDALL: I did. 03:57.833 --> 03:58.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% HARI SREENIVASAN: ... even though you were the victim. 03:58.800 --> 04:01.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% KATHERINE KENDALL: I did. 04:01.000 --> 04:04.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It's really interesting how that happens. And I think -- you know, I'm older now, and 04:06.700 --> 04:10.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I have done some work on myself. And I have learned that a lot of people feel that way. 04:12.733 --> 04:15.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It's -- it's not -- it wasn't just me. But the just me feeling that this is my fault, 04:15.933 --> 04:20.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% this must have only happened to me, there's something wrong with me, is so common when 04:21.800 --> 04:23.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% someone perpetrates against you. 04:23.033 --> 04:24.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% HARI SREENIVASAN: What were the... 04:24.300 --> 04:26.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% KATHERINE KENDALL: And I did. I told my mom. 04:26.766 --> 04:31.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I told some good friends. But, you know, one of the things that happened was, I didn't 04:31.166 --> 04:35.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% want them to tell anybody. You know, people wanted to help me, but they didn't know how, 04:35.900 --> 04:40.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% and I didn't want them to try too hard, because I didn't want it to backlash. 04:40.033 --> 04:45.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I was scared. And I think that it's important to remember that we don't really come from 04:47.000 --> 04:50.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% a culture that supports women in talking about sexual harassment, in my -- in my experience, 04:54.000 --> 04:59.000 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% that is. And, you know, I just haven't felt like it was something I was going to get support 04:59.733 --> 05:01.000 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% on... 05:01.000 --> 05:02.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% HARI SREENIVASAN: You know, how long... 05:02.266 --> 05:03.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% KATHERINE KENDALL: ... in the bigger picture. 05:03.066 --> 05:05.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% HARI SREENIVASAN: Yes. 05:05.100 --> 05:06.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% How long did this feeling last? Or, I guess, what are the longer-term ripple effects here? 05:06.466 --> 05:09.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Did it shake your confidence in your abilities? 05:09.666 --> 05:13.933 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% KATHERINE KENDALL: I think it did. I think it did. I think it did. 05:13.933 --> 05:18.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I think it made me feel like, wow, you know, that was a wash. He wasn't interested at all 05:18.233 --> 05:23.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% in what I had to say, or, you know, he didn't see any talent there or intellect there. He 05:24.666 --> 05:26.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% was assessing the situation the whole time for something else. 05:26.966 --> 05:31.866 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% And I think that -- that did hurt. You know, I wish it didn't. 05:31.866 --> 05:33.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% HARI SREENIVASAN: Yes. 05:33.900 --> 05:37.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% KATHERINE KENDALL: But he had produced so many movies that I thought were wonderful. 05:37.100 --> 05:42.100 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And it was -- it's hard when someone has made art that you love, and how do you stay attached 05:46.533 --> 05:50.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to liking their art, but feeling conflicted about them? 05:50.633 --> 05:55.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And, yes, I think it does have long-term effects. I think you tuck it away. And then, for me, 05:57.600 --> 06:00.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% also, I realized that it came back when I would see his name or see him in person. I 06:02.066 --> 06:04.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% would start to sort of tremble all over again. 06:04.400 --> 06:09.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I mean, I wouldn't think about him on a daily basis or anything for years, and then I would 06:11.333 --> 06:14.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% see him, and I would think, oh, I don't feel well. I got to get out of here. 06:15.166 --> 06:16.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% HARI SREENIVASAN: Right. 06:16.700 --> 06:18.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% KATHERINE KENDALL: You know, it would bring up so much emotion. 06:18.733 --> 06:22.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And the most recent one was the woman in New York, the Italian model. I felt so, so enraged 06:25.833 --> 06:30.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% when I saw what happened there, and that they sort of -- the police had him, and that then 06:32.766 --> 06:36.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% he got away. And then she was being dragged through the press as somebody who just, you 06:37.466 --> 06:39.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% know, wanted a payout, et cetera. 06:39.600 --> 06:43.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HARI SREENIVASAN: You know, in the wake of that, there was -- a friend of yours had tweeted, 06:45.833 --> 06:47.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% "At some point, all the women who have been afraid to speak out about Harvey Weinstein 06:47.600 --> 06:50.666 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% are going to have to hold hands and jump." This was back in 2015. 06:50.666 --> 06:52.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And from your Twitter account, you said, "Agreed." 06:52.700 --> 06:56.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It seemed like you almost had the opportunity to come forward. 06:56.766 --> 07:00.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% What made you want to come forward now? Has this become a turning point in the industry? 07:00.900 --> 07:03.933 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% KATHERINE KENDALL: This is a turning point. It's a turning point. 07:03.933 --> 07:08.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% There are so many times when I thought about it, and then felt like -- there were times 07:08.800 --> 07:11.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% when I thought about it and said, well, I have nothing to lose, I will just do it. And 07:11.366 --> 07:15.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% then I thought, I -- I just didn't have the strength or the courage yet. 07:15.333 --> 07:19.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I think somebody like Jodi Kantor doing the story for The New York Times, the fact 07:19.600 --> 07:24.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% that she thought it was a story at all was startling to me and made me feel like, wow, 07:27.433 --> 07:29.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% something is going to be done. 07:29.533 --> 07:33.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I knew she had told me -- I mean, they were looking for women that this had happened 07:33.633 --> 07:37.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% to, because they'd been hearing rumors for so long that it happened to so many people. 07:37.233 --> 07:39.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And she had told me other people were coming out. 07:39.333 --> 07:44.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I thought, I can't -- when I watched Rose McGowan or any of the other actresses come 07:46.033 --> 07:50.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% forward, I just -- or Ashley Judd -- I just thought, they look strong to me, and I don't 07:52.033 --> 07:54.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% want to be the one that stays silent. 07:54.300 --> 07:55.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% HARI SREENIVASAN: Well, Katherine Kendall... 07:55.766 --> 07:57.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% KATHERINE KENDALL: I want to stand beside them. 07:57.800 --> 08:00.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HARI SREENIVASAN: Katherine Kendall, thank you very much for speaking with us. 08:00.100 --> 08:03.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And, hopefully, there are other people that are empowered by you coming forward. 08:03.933 --> 08:06.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% KATHERINE KENDALL: I hope so. Thank you.