WEBVTT 00:02.066 --> 00:04.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: We return to the shakeup at the top of the Trump administration with the 00:04.066 --> 00:08.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% firing of Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and the appointment of the current director 00:08.933 --> 00:13.933 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% of the CIA, Mike Pompeo, to replace him as America's top diplomat. 00:14.700 --> 00:16.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% We get three views now.. 00:16.733 --> 00:21.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Nicholas Burns served 27 years in government, much of it at the Department of State. 00:22.633 --> 00:25.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He was U.S. ambassador to NATO and to Greece. 00:25.500 --> 00:27.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He's now at Harvard University. 00:27.800 --> 00:32.266 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% David Ignatius is a foreign policy columnist at The Washington Post. 00:32.266 --> 00:37.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And David Shedd served as acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency during 00:38.166 --> 00:40.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% a 33-year government career. 00:40.133 --> 00:44.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He is now a distinguished fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a Washington think tank. 00:45.866 --> 00:47.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And, gentlemen, we welcome all three of you here today. 00:47.800 --> 00:49.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% David Ignatius, I'm going to start with you. 00:49.833 --> 00:53.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Your reporting, what does it tell you about why the president made this decision? 00:53.233 --> 00:58.000 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% DAVID IGNATIUS, Columnist, The Washington Post: I think president Trump has been uncomfortable 00:58.000 --> 01:03.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% with Secretary Tillerson for a year, really since soon after he took the job. 01:04.933 --> 01:09.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Last November, Trump wanted to make a change, asked Mike Pompeo if he was ready to go to 01:10.433 --> 01:11.433 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% State. 01:11.433 --> 01:13.433 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Pompeo said yes. 01:13.433 --> 01:17.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% The president held off, I think was counseled by Chief of Staff Kelly and others to wait 01:19.633 --> 01:20.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% on that move. 01:20.933 --> 01:21.933 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% He did. 01:21.933 --> 01:24.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But his discomfort continued. 01:24.400 --> 01:29.166 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% Watching the public humiliation of Rex Tillerson has been painful, I think, for the whole country. 01:31.100 --> 01:34.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It was visible today in the pain of the resignation statement that Tillerson made. 01:36.833 --> 01:41.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I think Trump finally decided that the time had come to make a change as he headed into 01:41.233 --> 01:46.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the most important diplomatic encounter of his presidency probably, the face-to-face 01:47.366 --> 01:49.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% diplomacy with Kim Jong-un and North Korea. 01:49.466 --> 01:54.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He felt he wanted to have his own person at State, his own team behind him. 01:55.966 --> 01:58.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So I think the moment had come. 01:58.566 --> 02:00.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But the discomfort has been there for many, many months. 02:00.833 --> 02:05.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Nicholas Burns, how would you describe the State Department under Rex Tillerson? 02:07.733 --> 02:09.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NICHOLAS BURNS, Former U.S. Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs: Demoralized, 02:09.800 --> 02:12.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I think the greatest crisis we have had in 40 or 50 years, with 30 percent budget cuts 02:12.900 --> 02:17.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% by the Trump administration and Secretary Tillerson, the firing of some of our best 02:17.433 --> 02:22.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% senior officers early in the administration, an exodus of very good officers at all levels 02:24.900 --> 02:28.533 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% really, because no senior diplomats were appointed to senior positions around President Trump 02:28.533 --> 02:32.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in the White House, the majority of our ambassadorships unfilled. 02:32.466 --> 02:36.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% No ambassador to Seoul in the middle of this crisis, no assistant secretary of state for 02:36.900 --> 02:39.433 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% East Asia. 02:39.433 --> 02:43.000 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% So, diplomatic malpractice by Secretary Tillerson, I think that's part of his legacy, that he 02:44.933 --> 02:47.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% mismanaged the State Department, our civil and career foreign service. 02:47.333 --> 02:52.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And this is the great, important arm of our diplomacy, and yet these people feel that 02:53.100 --> 02:55.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% they have been excluded. 02:55.266 --> 02:59.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I would say I think that with -- secretary designate-Pompeo has an opportunity to rebuild 03:01.100 --> 03:04.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the department, if he can convince President Trump and the OMB director to put the money 03:04.033 --> 03:06.100 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% forward. 03:06.100 --> 03:08.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He has an opportunity to win back people, but that's a tall order at this stage. 03:08.700 --> 03:11.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: David Shedd, as somebody who has watched American foreign policy for a 03:11.766 --> 03:16.766 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% long time, how do you see the record of Rex Tillerson as secretary? 03:18.800 --> 03:20.966 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% DAVID SHEDD, Former Acting Director, Defense Intelligence Agency: I think that it's spotty, 03:20.966 --> 03:25.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% because of all the reasons that have already been described in terms of his inability to 03:26.833 --> 03:29.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% really influence the president. 03:29.433 --> 03:34.433 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And I have seen in that -- in Director Pompeo a disproportionate amount of influence, then, 03:37.733 --> 03:42.733 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% coming from the CIA at a very time where diplomacy should actually be what we would be focusing 03:43.566 --> 03:44.566 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% on. 03:44.566 --> 03:46.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: What do you mean? 03:46.533 --> 03:49.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DAVID SHEDD: I mean, the director and the president, I think, have hit it off from the 03:49.166 --> 03:53.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% first day, and that relationship has actually grown deeper. 03:53.566 --> 03:55.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He gives the president daily brief. 03:55.566 --> 04:00.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I think the issues that are in alignment with the president's thinking about Iran, 04:02.366 --> 04:05.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% about North Korea, about counterterrorism are really shaped by the CIA far more than 04:06.733 --> 04:08.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Secretary Tillerson. 04:08.733 --> 04:11.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: David Ignatius, there were Democrats out today saying damage has been 04:11.733 --> 04:16.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% done to America's role in the world, to how America is seen by other countries under the 04:19.233 --> 04:22.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Trump-Tillerson 14 months. 04:22.366 --> 04:24.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Do you agree? 04:24.966 --> 04:28.366 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% DAVID IGNATIUS: I think there's no question that Trump has succeeded in his often self-proclaimed 04:30.733 --> 04:35.700 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% goal of disrupting, destabilizing the world and traditional relationships, assumptions 04:38.333 --> 04:40.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% about American policy. 04:40.033 --> 04:42.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He's wanted to shake things up, and he has. 04:42.133 --> 04:47.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I just was in Europe last weekend listening to foreign policy discussion, and it's fair 04:49.466 --> 04:52.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to say that our allies are concerned. 04:52.566 --> 04:56.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They see America heading in different directions. 04:56.633 --> 05:01.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% They want the United States to be a strong leader of the system that the U.S. created 05:03.600 --> 05:06.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% after World War II, and they're concerned that Trump is walking away from that. 05:06.966 --> 05:09.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, yes, I think there has been damage. 05:09.000 --> 05:13.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I think it is important that any president, President Trump included, have a secretary 05:15.900 --> 05:20.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% of state who can speak confidently for the president, who everybody around the world 05:20.000 --> 05:25.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% knows he speaks on behalf of the president with his voice, in effect. 05:25.866 --> 05:26.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Rex Tillerson couldn't do that. 05:26.833 --> 05:29.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% That was part of his problem. 05:29.200 --> 05:34.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% In that sense, it's better to have a secretary who can have a consistent, straightforward 05:36.333 --> 05:41.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% expression of policy, especially as we head into these very delicate negotiations with 05:41.066 --> 05:43.200 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% North Korea. 05:43.200 --> 05:45.633 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Nick Burns, you were saying a moment ago there's an opportunity for change 05:45.633 --> 05:47.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% with Mike Pompeo coming in. 05:47.366 --> 05:48.633 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% How so? 05:48.633 --> 05:51.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% What kind of change should we look for? 05:51.233 --> 05:55.200 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% NICHOLAS BURNS: Well, first, what David Ignatius just said, I think all of our recent secretaries 05:55.200 --> 05:59.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% of state would say that they were successful when they had the support of the president. 05:59.266 --> 06:02.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% They have to have the support of the president, or else you don't have credibility overseas. 06:02.733 --> 06:07.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% So, if Mike Pompeo is seen as someone in whom President Trump has great confidence, and 06:10.233 --> 06:13.266 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% if President Trump can be consistent in exhibiting that confidence, and not undercutting Pompeo, 06:15.733 --> 06:19.833 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% the way he clearly undercut Secretary Tillerson, then I think Secretary Pompeo, secretary-designate 06:21.266 --> 06:24.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Pompeo, has a chance to be an influential secretary of state. 06:24.133 --> 06:28.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And he will be more effective around the world if people think he's speaking for President 06:28.233 --> 06:29.500 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Trump. 06:29.500 --> 06:31.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Two issues, Judy, to watch out for. 06:31.300 --> 06:35.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% North Korea is by far the most important issue right now. 06:35.000 --> 06:39.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Secretary-designate Pompeo, I hope there will be speedy confirmation hearings. 06:39.033 --> 06:44.033 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% We need him out there, I hope, to go to Pyongyang before the summit meeting to see if the North 06:44.900 --> 06:46.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Koreans are really serious. 06:46.933 --> 06:50.233 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% I support what President Trump is trying to do through diplomacy, turning toward it, but 06:50.233 --> 06:52.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you have to have it well-prepared. 06:52.100 --> 06:55.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And Pompeo has been a noted critic of the Iran nuclear deal. 06:55.333 --> 06:59.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% That could spell bad news for those of us who believe that we should continue with the 06:59.300 --> 07:01.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Iran nuclear deal. 07:01.066 --> 07:03.466 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% That will exacerbate our problems with Europe and the rest of the world. 07:03.466 --> 07:08.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: So, David Shedd, where do you - - how do you expect to see policy change 07:10.400 --> 07:13.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% or be reconfigured in some way, whether it's North Korea, Russia, Iran? 07:15.566 --> 07:19.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DAVID SHEDD: I think that the ability of Mike Pompeo both now in his director of CIA role 07:23.433 --> 07:28.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% and now as secretary of state, should he be confirmed, will give the president truth to 07:29.433 --> 07:31.466 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% power. 07:31.466 --> 07:33.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I think he will do that as a result of the relationship that he has. 07:33.900 --> 07:38.733 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% And so on those key countries that you mentioned and the topics that are associated with that, 07:40.400 --> 07:43.866 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% I think secretary Pompeo will tell the president when he's off the mark. 07:45.866 --> 07:48.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I think it will be taken in the kind of relationship that they have built over the 07:48.600 --> 07:50.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% last 14 months. 07:50.100 --> 07:52.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: What does that mean, say, for North Korea? 07:52.666 --> 07:56.500 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% DAVID SHEDD: I think he will tell the president that, ultimately, the eye on the ball is denuclearization 07:58.533 --> 08:02.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% of the Korean Peninsula, and that nothing short of that and with all that goes along 08:02.633 --> 08:07.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% with that in terms of having the capability to attest to the fact that Kim Jong-un is 08:10.300 --> 08:15.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% denuclearizing the peninsula will be something that he can drive President Trump to accept 08:16.466 --> 08:18.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as an outcome, and nothing short. 08:18.533 --> 08:21.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: David Ignatius, what would you add to that with regard to North Korea? 08:21.933 --> 08:26.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And what about U.S. relations with Russia, where the president seems to resist wanting 08:28.400 --> 08:32.133 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% to give a full-throated criticism of Russia's role and more? 08:34.166 --> 08:38.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% People are calling for him to condemn Russia's activities, not just in the election, but 08:39.633 --> 08:41.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Syria and on and on down the list. 08:41.766 --> 08:46.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DAVID IGNATIUS: If Mike Pompeo is a trusted representative, a trusted emissary for President 08:48.266 --> 08:52.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Trump, as was suggested a moment ago, the idea of going to Pyongyang to begin to set 08:53.800 --> 08:57.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the table for the conversations is crucial. 08:57.966 --> 09:02.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Pompeo is thoroughly read into the intelligence about the Korea situation, obviously. 09:04.966 --> 09:08.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I just note, with Tillerson on the way out, the intellectual architect of this idea of 09:10.600 --> 09:14.333 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% engagement with North Korea, establishing the conditions for negotiations, was Rex Tillerson's 09:17.500 --> 09:18.500 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% work. 09:18.500 --> 09:19.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He took it very seriously. 09:19.966 --> 09:24.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The president is now benefiting from the work that was done. 09:24.433 --> 09:29.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Russia is the biggest unasked question for the administration. 09:31.433 --> 09:33.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% They haven't really gotten to the point of thinking clearly about strategy. 09:33.533 --> 09:38.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Again, that's something that Pompeo ought to be able to drive, because the president 09:39.233 --> 09:41.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% will listen to him. 09:41.200 --> 09:44.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% The president has to look Russian aggression and mischief in the eye and begin to deal 09:46.300 --> 09:48.333 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% with it. 09:48.333 --> 09:50.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Otherwise, we will just -- you know, as a country, we are going to have an increasing 09:50.266 --> 09:52.766 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% problem. 09:52.766 --> 09:54.800 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: As you said, irony with regard to the approach, diplomatic approach to North 09:54.800 --> 09:57.333 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Korea. 09:57.333 --> 10:00.800 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% But, Nick Burns, how would you measure a change in the U.S. approach to Russia at this point? 10:02.766 --> 10:05.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NICHOLAS BURNS: Well, there's an immediate question, Judy, probably, in the next 24 hours. 10:05.466 --> 10:08.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% The British prime minister will very likely tell the House of Commons tomorrow that it 10:08.633 --> 10:13.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% was Russia that engineered this nerve agent attack in Salisbury, England. 10:13.600 --> 10:17.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The United States has to stand squarely behind Britain. 10:17.033 --> 10:21.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Britain may go to the NATO alliance, not to go to war with Russia, but to exact further 10:21.500 --> 10:23.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% sanctions against Russia. 10:23.566 --> 10:26.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And the Trump administration, including the president this morning, very Delphic about 10:26.833 --> 10:29.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% what they were going to do in supporting Britain. 10:29.766 --> 10:31.833 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% I think there is only one answer. 10:31.833 --> 10:35.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% We have to be behind Britain and lead the NATO alliance to deter Putin from any further 10:35.733 --> 10:38.300 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% such attacks. 10:38.300 --> 10:41.733 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% There is also, of course, the invasion of our election in 2016, the conspiracy to undermine 10:42.933 --> 10:44.900 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% our election. 10:44.900 --> 10:48.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And one would hope that Mike Pompeo could convince President Trump, finally, that we 10:48.133 --> 10:53.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% have to be critical of President Putin and raise our defenses for the 2018 and 2020 elections. 10:55.200 --> 10:57.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: David Shedd, do you have a clear expectation on what we will see on Russia, 10:57.266 --> 10:59.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% with regard to Russia? 10:59.266 --> 11:02.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DAVID SHEDD: I think that Mike Pompeo, coming with the knowledge that he has working at 11:02.333 --> 11:07.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the CIA about the active measures that the Russians have been involved in for decades, 11:09.300 --> 11:14.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% and most recently using the means of technology, that, in fact, he will, as Nick suggests, 11:16.133 --> 11:20.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% be able to reach the president with the high impact of what those active measures are by 11:22.566 --> 11:27.033 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% way of intermission into our political system and undercutting democracy full-scale. 11:28.433 --> 11:30.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Does that mean taking a tougher line? 11:30.966 --> 11:33.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% DAVID SHEDD: It absolutely means taking a tougher line. 11:33.433 --> 11:37.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It's recognizing that, perhaps in Italy, in their elections, for example, calling that 11:37.900 --> 11:42.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% out, calling it out in terms of the constant Russian efforts to divide and conquer NATO 11:44.800 --> 11:47.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% by way of their activities, the support for the Baltic countries. 11:47.433 --> 11:49.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And you can go on and on. 11:49.433 --> 11:53.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And just finally and quickly, David Ignatius, a word about the incoming 11:54.866 --> 11:59.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% CIA director, or the designate, Gina Haspel. 11:59.066 --> 12:00.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% What do we know about her? 12:00.166 --> 12:01.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% What should we expect? 12:01.666 --> 12:05.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% DAVID IGNATIUS: Gina Haspel is a career CIA operations officer. 12:05.966 --> 12:10.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% She's been in some important and sensitive positions. 12:10.033 --> 12:15.033 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% One that's going to draw a lot of controversy is her role of running a black site for detention 12:15.900 --> 12:18.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% interrogation in Thailand. 12:18.366 --> 12:22.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It's really important and worth noting that she will be, if confirmed, the first woman 12:22.933 --> 12:24.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% director of the CIA. 12:24.266 --> 12:25.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That's a big position. 12:25.833 --> 12:28.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's a significant glass ceiling that's been broken. 12:28.866 --> 12:33.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% She will have, I think, strong support of the work force, and probably support from 12:35.466 --> 12:38.166 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% people in the Obama administration who know her and worked with her. 12:38.166 --> 12:40.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Nick Burns, 20 seconds. 12:40.100 --> 12:42.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% NICHOLAS BURNS: A very significant appointment. 12:42.233 --> 12:45.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% What the president needs is a tight national security team. 12:45.266 --> 12:47.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He has a star in Jim Mattis. 12:47.766 --> 12:51.833 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% If Mattis, Pompeo, Haspel can work together, then the president ought to listen to them, 12:51.833 --> 12:55.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% because the president has not been an effective president so far in his presidency with the 12:55.900 --> 12:58.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% rest of the world. 12:58.000 --> 13:01.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, this was a day when eyes were riveted on this president and the changes 13:03.933 --> 13:05.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% he is capable of making. 13:05.866 --> 13:09.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Nick Burns, David Ignatius, David Shedd, gentlemen, thank you all. 13:09.200 --> 13:10.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% NICHOLAS BURNS: Thank you, Judy. 13:10.200 --> 13:11.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DAVID IGNATIUS: Thank you. 13:11.200 --> 13:11.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% DAVID SHEDD: Thank you.