1 00:00:01,134 --> 00:00:02,035 >> Sreenivasan: TODAY, SPAIN SAW 2 00:00:02,035 --> 00:00:03,737 ITS BIGGEST PUBLIC DISPLAY OF 3 00:00:03,737 --> 00:00:05,605 OPPOSITION TO SECESSION BY THE 4 00:00:05,605 --> 00:00:06,940 CATALONIA REGION. 5 00:00:06,940 --> 00:00:08,308 HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF 6 00:00:08,308 --> 00:00:10,710 PRO-UNION CATALANS TURNED OUT IN 7 00:00:10,710 --> 00:00:12,145 THE STREETS OF BARCELONA, THE 8 00:00:12,145 --> 00:00:14,147 CAPITAL OF THE BREAKAWAY REGION. 9 00:00:14,147 --> 00:00:15,582 TWO DAYS AGO, CATALONIA'S 10 00:00:15,582 --> 00:00:17,217 REGIONAL PARLIAMENT REAFFIRMED 11 00:00:17,217 --> 00:00:18,752 LAST MONTH'S INDEPENDENCE 12 00:00:18,752 --> 00:00:20,887 REFERENDUM, AND SPAIN'S CENTRAL 13 00:00:20,887 --> 00:00:22,389 GOVERNMENT ASSERTED DIRECT 14 00:00:22,389 --> 00:00:23,990 CONTROL OVER THE REGION, 15 00:00:23,990 --> 00:00:25,625 DISMISSING ITS LEADERS AND 16 00:00:25,625 --> 00:00:27,594 CALLING FOR NEW ELECTIONS. 17 00:00:27,594 --> 00:00:28,728 NEWSHOUR WEEKEND SPECIAL 18 00:00:28,728 --> 00:00:29,763 CORRESPONDENT MALCOLM BRABANT 19 00:00:29,763 --> 00:00:30,630 HAS BEEN COVERING SPAIN'S 20 00:00:30,630 --> 00:00:32,132 POLITICAL CRISIS AND JOINS US 21 00:00:32,132 --> 00:00:33,166 FROM BARCELONA. 22 00:00:33,166 --> 00:00:34,367 MALCOLM, HELP US FIGURE THIS 23 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:35,001 OUT HERE. 24 00:00:35,001 --> 00:00:35,935 ON THE ONE HAND, YOU HAVE 25 00:00:35,935 --> 00:00:37,570 CATALONIANS WHO ARE SAYING "WE 26 00:00:37,570 --> 00:00:38,772 ARE FREE," AND ON THE OTHER HAND 27 00:00:38,772 --> 00:00:39,706 YOU HAVE THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT 28 00:00:39,706 --> 00:00:41,307 SAYING "NO, YOU'RE FIRED, AND 29 00:00:41,307 --> 00:00:42,509 WE'RE GOING FIND SOME NEW PEOPLE 30 00:00:42,509 --> 00:00:43,777 TO RUN THIS." 31 00:00:43,777 --> 00:00:45,111 >> WELL, THIS DEMONSTRATION THIS 32 00:00:45,111 --> 00:00:46,546 AFTERNOON REALLY DEMONSTRATED 33 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:48,415 JUST HOW COMPLEX THIS WHOLE 34 00:00:48,415 --> 00:00:50,583 ISSUE IS, AND THERE WERE VARYING 35 00:00:50,583 --> 00:00:52,218 ESTIMATES OF JUST HOW LARGE THIS 36 00:00:52,218 --> 00:00:53,186 CROWD WAS. 37 00:00:53,186 --> 00:00:54,421 THE ORGANIZERS WERE SAYING THAT 38 00:00:54,421 --> 00:00:55,789 THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE OVER A 39 00:00:55,789 --> 00:00:56,890 MILLION PEOPLE HERE, BUT THE 40 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:57,957 LOCAL POLICE SAID IT WAS ABOUT 41 00:00:57,957 --> 00:00:59,192 300,000 PEOPLE. 42 00:00:59,192 --> 00:01:01,361 BUT CERTAINLY, THE MAIN STREETS 43 00:01:01,361 --> 00:01:02,796 OF BARCELONA TODAY WERE FULL OF 44 00:01:02,796 --> 00:01:04,397 SPANISH FLAGS, WITH PEOPLE 45 00:01:04,397 --> 00:01:06,366 DEMANDING UNION, SAYING THAT THE 46 00:01:06,366 --> 00:01:08,535 INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT BY THE 47 00:01:08,535 --> 00:01:09,869 LOCAL GOVERNMENT HERE WAS 48 00:01:09,869 --> 00:01:11,371 COMPLETELY ILLEGAL, AND THEY 49 00:01:11,371 --> 00:01:14,574 WANT SPAIN TO EXERT CONTROL OVER 50 00:01:14,574 --> 00:01:16,242 THIS REGION, AND INSTITUTE 51 00:01:16,242 --> 00:01:19,112 ARTICLE 155, WHICH MEANS THAT 52 00:01:19,112 --> 00:01:20,880 THE SPANISH CAN HAVE DIRECT 53 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,082 CONTROL. 54 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:22,949 THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 55 00:01:22,949 --> 00:01:24,050 HAPPENING. 56 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:24,951 >> Sreenivasan: TELL US, HOW DO 57 00:01:24,951 --> 00:01:26,553 THEY INSTITUTE DIRECT CONTROL? 58 00:01:26,553 --> 00:01:27,620 I MEAN, WHO ARE THEIR 59 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:28,455 INSTRUMENTS? 60 00:01:28,455 --> 00:01:29,489 IS IT THE MILITARY? 61 00:01:29,489 --> 00:01:30,757 IS IT THE POLICE FORCE? 62 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:31,691 >> WELL, THE POLICE FORCE ARE 63 00:01:31,691 --> 00:01:32,992 ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. 64 00:01:32,992 --> 00:01:34,761 IT'S THE LOCAL FORCE, IS THE 65 00:01:34,761 --> 00:01:35,762 MOSSOS; THE NATIONAL POLICE 66 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:38,064 FORCE, THE GUARDIA CIVIL. 67 00:01:38,064 --> 00:01:39,165 AND SO, THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY 68 00:01:39,165 --> 00:01:41,134 CRUCIAL, SORT OF AREA,IN TERMS 69 00:01:41,134 --> 00:01:43,203 OF EXERTING CONTROL, BECAUSE IF 70 00:01:43,203 --> 00:01:45,105 THEY ALLOW THE MOSSOS, THE LOCAL 71 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:47,006 POLICE TO POLICE THE STREETS, 72 00:01:47,006 --> 00:01:48,074 THEN THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO 73 00:01:48,074 --> 00:01:50,376 HELP TO CALM THINGS DOWN. 74 00:01:50,376 --> 00:01:51,911 IF THE GUARDIA CIVIL COMES IN, 75 00:01:51,911 --> 00:01:53,580 THEN TENSIONS ARE DEFINITELY 76 00:01:53,580 --> 00:01:54,614 GOING TO RISE. 77 00:01:54,614 --> 00:01:56,216 >> Sreenivasan: WHAT HAPPENS TO 78 00:01:56,216 --> 00:01:57,617 MR. PUIGDEMONT, THE GUY WHO LED 79 00:01:57,617 --> 00:01:59,119 THIS REFERENDUM IN THE FIRST 80 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:00,320 PLACE? 81 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,187 >> A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 82 00:02:01,187 --> 00:02:02,422 WELL, HE'S BEEN DISMISSED, AND 83 00:02:02,422 --> 00:02:03,590 THE PERSON WHO'S SUPPOSEDLY 84 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:06,159 RUNNING THE CATALONIAN AUTHORITY 85 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,161 NOW IS SPAIN'S DEPUTY PRIME 86 00:02:08,161 --> 00:02:09,329 MINISTER, AND THE BIG QUESTION 87 00:02:09,329 --> 00:02:11,164 ON EVERYBODY'S LIPS HERE IS 88 00:02:11,164 --> 00:02:12,899 WHETHER OR NOT MR. PUIGDEMONT IS 89 00:02:12,899 --> 00:02:14,767 GOING TO BE ARRESTED. 90 00:02:14,767 --> 00:02:16,636 THERE WAS SOME SORT OF THOUGHT 91 00:02:16,636 --> 00:02:17,670 THAT HE MIGHT BE ARRESTED 92 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:20,440 TOMORROW, AND THE LOCAL 93 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:21,708 INDEPENDENTISTAS HERE, WHO ARE 94 00:02:21,708 --> 00:02:23,343 SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO THROW 95 00:02:23,343 --> 00:02:25,245 HUMAN CHAINS AROUND PLACES OF 96 00:02:25,245 --> 00:02:27,347 LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY TO 97 00:02:27,347 --> 00:02:29,182 PROTECT THE PEOPLE AT THE HEART 98 00:02:29,182 --> 00:02:31,518 OF THIS INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT. 99 00:02:31,518 --> 00:02:32,619 BUT THERE ARE SOME-- WE WERE 100 00:02:32,619 --> 00:02:34,554 TALKING, AS I SAID, TO THE 101 00:02:34,554 --> 00:02:35,989 POLICE UNION HERE AND THEY THINK 102 00:02:35,989 --> 00:02:38,791 THAT PERHAPS, THAT SPAIN WON'T 103 00:02:38,791 --> 00:02:40,226 NECESSARILY GO IN TO ARREST MR. 104 00:02:40,226 --> 00:02:42,328 PUIGDEMONT, BECAUSE THAT, ONCE 105 00:02:42,328 --> 00:02:43,463 AGAIN, WILL SORT OF SWELL UP 106 00:02:43,463 --> 00:02:45,632 INDEPENDENCE FEELING AND CREATE 107 00:02:45,632 --> 00:02:47,600 A SORT OF GREAT ANTAGONISM. 108 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,701 AND SO, WHAT SEEMS TO BE 109 00:02:48,701 --> 00:02:49,936 HAPPENING HERE IS THIS GREAT 110 00:02:49,936 --> 00:02:51,037 SORT OF SENSE OF LIMBO. 111 00:02:51,037 --> 00:02:51,971 PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THINGS TO 112 00:02:51,971 --> 00:02:53,773 HAPPEN, BUT NOTHING SEEMS TO BE 113 00:02:53,773 --> 00:02:55,542 A REALLY BIG GOING ON. 114 00:02:55,542 --> 00:02:56,676 YOU WOULDN'T THINK THIS IS A 115 00:02:56,676 --> 00:02:58,011 COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF A HUGE 116 00:02:58,011 --> 00:02:59,412 CRISIS-- THE ATMOSPHERE IS 117 00:02:59,412 --> 00:03:01,781 REALLY QUITE SORT OF OKAY. 118 00:03:01,781 --> 00:03:02,949 TOURISTS ARE WALKING AROUND, 119 00:03:02,949 --> 00:03:03,883 EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE HAVING 120 00:03:03,883 --> 00:03:04,884 FUN. 121 00:03:04,884 --> 00:03:06,419 NO SOLDIERS ON THE STREETS OR 122 00:03:06,419 --> 00:03:07,954 ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND MAYBE 123 00:03:07,954 --> 00:03:09,656 THIS IS SPAIN'S POLICY, IN A 124 00:03:09,656 --> 00:03:10,823 WAY, TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT 125 00:03:10,823 --> 00:03:12,659 THERE IS NO INCREASE IN TENSION, 126 00:03:12,659 --> 00:03:14,527 WHICH IS TO DO NOTHING AND LET 127 00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:16,396 THINGS LIE, UNTIL MAYBE THOSE 128 00:03:16,396 --> 00:03:18,498 ELECTIONS WHICH THEY'VE CALLED 129 00:03:18,498 --> 00:03:20,366 ON DECEMBER THE 20th. 130 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:21,167 >> Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT, 131 00:03:21,167 --> 00:03:22,101 MALCOLM BRABANT, JOINING US FROM 132 00:03:22,101 --> 00:03:22,936 BARCELONA TONIGHT. 133 00:03:22,936 --> 00:03:23,603 THANKS SO MUCH. 134 00:03:23,603 --> 00:03:24,170 >> YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.