1 00:00:00,367 --> 00:00:01,101 >> Sreenivasan: THE NEWLY-NAMED 2 00:00:01,101 --> 00:00:02,869 NORTH MACEDONIA IS ONE STEP 3 00:00:02,869 --> 00:00:04,371 CLOSER TO BECOMING THE 30th 4 00:00:04,371 --> 00:00:05,972 MEMBER OF NATO AFTER A 5 00:00:05,972 --> 00:00:07,674 UNANIMOUS VOTE THIS WEEK BY 6 00:00:07,674 --> 00:00:08,975 THEIR PARLIAMENT IN FAVOR OF 7 00:00:08,975 --> 00:00:09,843 MEMBERSHIP. 8 00:00:09,843 --> 00:00:11,511 THIS COMES AFTER A PROTRACTED 9 00:00:11,511 --> 00:00:13,079 DISPUTE WITH GREECE OVER THE 10 00:00:13,079 --> 00:00:14,547 COUNTRY'S PREVIOUS NAME AND 11 00:00:14,547 --> 00:00:16,383 EVEN ITS ARCHITECTURE. 12 00:00:16,383 --> 00:00:18,051 IT'S A POLITICAL CRISIS WHICH, 13 00:00:18,051 --> 00:00:18,985 AS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND SPECIAL 14 00:00:18,985 --> 00:00:20,020 CORRESPONDENT CHRISTOPHER 15 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:21,788 LIVESAY REPORTS, IS REFLECTED IN 16 00:00:21,788 --> 00:00:23,623 THE SKYLINE OF THE CAPITAL CITY 17 00:00:23,623 --> 00:00:24,824 OF SKOPJE. 18 00:00:24,824 --> 00:00:26,593 ( CHURCH BELLS RINGING ) 19 00:00:26,593 --> 00:00:27,260 >> Reporter: YOU MIGHT NOT 20 00:00:27,260 --> 00:00:28,661 EXPECT BIG THINGS FROM THE 21 00:00:28,661 --> 00:00:30,530 CAPITAL OF A LANDLOCKED BALKAN 22 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:32,032 COUNTRY THAT'S SMALLER THAN THE 23 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:34,134 STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, BUT 24 00:00:34,134 --> 00:00:36,202 SKOPJE, NORTH MACEDONIA, MIGHT 25 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:37,303 SURPRISE YOU. 26 00:00:37,303 --> 00:00:38,571 THERE ARE THE TYPICAL TOURIST 27 00:00:38,571 --> 00:00:40,173 SITES LIKE THIS ANCIENT 28 00:00:40,173 --> 00:00:42,008 FORTRESS, AND A SPRAWLING 29 00:00:42,008 --> 00:00:43,877 OTTOMAN BAZAAR WHERE THE LOCAL 30 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:46,146 SPECIALTY, MACEDONIAN PEPPERS, 31 00:00:46,146 --> 00:00:48,148 ARE SOLD BY THE BAG-FULL. 32 00:00:48,148 --> 00:00:49,682 THESE PALE GREEN "ZELENI 33 00:00:49,682 --> 00:00:52,252 PIPERKI" ARE ON THE HOT SIDE. 34 00:00:52,252 --> 00:00:53,620 BUT WHAT REALLY MAKES SKOPJE 35 00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:55,722 SPECIAL IS THIS. 36 00:00:55,722 --> 00:00:57,190 AND THIS. 37 00:00:57,190 --> 00:00:58,324 AND THESE. 38 00:00:58,324 --> 00:01:00,326 HUNDREDS OF STATUES, AND 39 00:01:00,326 --> 00:00:44,244 CLASSICAL-LOOKING BUT ACTUALLY 40 00:00:44,244 --> 00:01:04,798 BRAND-NEW FACADES ON DOZENS OF 41 00:01:04,798 --> 00:01:07,200 BUILDINGS IN THE CITY CENTER. 42 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,401 WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE SQUARE 43 00:01:08,401 --> 00:01:09,569 HERE? 44 00:01:09,569 --> 00:01:10,370 >> MACEDONIA. 45 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:11,738 >> Reporter: MACEDONIA SQUARE. 46 00:01:11,738 --> 00:01:12,138 >> YES. 47 00:01:12,138 --> 00:01:13,006 >> Reporter: NIKOLA SRBOV, A 48 00:01:13,006 --> 00:01:14,340 HISTORIAN AND ADVISOR TO THE 49 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:16,209 STATE ARCHIVES, SAYS THIS WAS 50 00:01:16,209 --> 00:01:17,710 ALL BUILT BY THE GOVERNMENT JUST 51 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:19,779 A FEW YEARS AGO, A PROJECT 52 00:01:19,779 --> 00:01:22,549 CALLED "SKOPJE 2014." 53 00:01:22,549 --> 00:01:24,150 THE IDEA WAS TO GIVE A FACELIFT 54 00:01:24,150 --> 00:01:26,619 TO THIS FORMERLY COMMUNIST CITY, 55 00:01:26,619 --> 00:01:28,855 BOOST NATIONAL PRIDE AND ATTRACT 56 00:01:28,855 --> 00:01:31,724 TOURISTS, TOO. 57 00:01:31,724 --> 00:01:32,559 >> ( translated ): IN A WAY, THE 58 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:33,860 CITY HAS GROWN INTO SOMETHING 59 00:01:33,860 --> 00:01:34,961 MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN IT USED TO 60 00:01:34,961 --> 00:01:36,329 BE. 61 00:01:36,329 --> 00:01:36,930 >> Reporter: MUSEUMS AND 62 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:38,398 GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS BOAST 63 00:01:38,398 --> 00:01:40,366 COLUMNS AND MARBLE LOOK-ALIKE 64 00:01:40,366 --> 00:01:42,068 FACADES THAT ARE MEANT TO LOOK 65 00:01:42,068 --> 00:01:44,137 HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD BUT ARE 66 00:01:44,137 --> 00:01:45,638 LESS THAN TEN. 67 00:01:45,638 --> 00:01:47,774 THERE'S ALSO A TRIUMPHAL ARCH 68 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:49,442 AND TWO NEW BRIDGES ACROSS THE 69 00:01:49,442 --> 00:01:51,177 VARDA RIVER THAT HAVE ON THEM 70 00:01:51,177 --> 00:01:53,780 ABOUT 30 STATUES EACH. 71 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:55,849 NOT EVERYONE HAS BEEN IMPRESSED. 72 00:01:55,849 --> 00:01:57,016 THE "NEW YORK TIMES" CALLED THE 73 00:01:57,016 --> 00:01:58,518 REMODELED CITY ONE OF THE 74 00:01:58,518 --> 00:01:59,953 "KITSCHIEST" CAPITALS ON THE 75 00:01:59,953 --> 00:02:01,221 PLANET. 76 00:02:01,221 --> 00:02:03,423 TOURISTS WE MET SEEMED BEMUSED. 77 00:02:03,423 --> 00:02:04,324 >> IT'’’S AMAZING. 78 00:02:04,324 --> 00:02:05,758 WE NEVER-- WE'VE BEEN IN MORE 79 00:02:05,758 --> 00:02:07,660 THAN 36 COUNTRIES. 80 00:02:07,660 --> 00:02:11,397 WE'VE NEVER SEEN THIS NUMBER OF 81 00:02:11,397 --> 00:02:13,133 STATUES EVERYWHERE. 82 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:15,101 >> SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THIS 83 00:02:15,101 --> 00:02:17,403 MONUMENT, DISNEYLAND MONUMENTS. 84 00:02:17,403 --> 00:02:18,004 >> Reporter: DISNEYLAND 85 00:02:18,004 --> 00:02:18,471 MONUMENTS? 86 00:02:18,471 --> 00:02:19,506 >> YES. 87 00:02:19,506 --> 00:02:21,241 A LOT OF COMMENTS HAPPEN. 88 00:02:21,241 --> 00:02:22,442 >> Reporter: ZORAN ZAEV IS THE 89 00:02:22,442 --> 00:02:24,210 HEAD OF NORTH MACEDONIA'S RULING 90 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:25,011 PARTY. 91 00:02:25,011 --> 00:02:26,846 HE WAS PRIME MINISTER UP UNTIL 92 00:02:26,846 --> 00:02:27,780 RECENTLY. 93 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:29,282 HE RESIGNED LAST MONTH AFTER THE 94 00:02:29,282 --> 00:02:30,950 COUNTRY FAILED TO WIN MEMBERSHIP 95 00:02:30,950 --> 00:02:32,552 IN THE EUROPEAN UNION. 96 00:02:32,552 --> 00:02:34,254 HE SAYS THE BUILDING PROJECT, 97 00:02:34,254 --> 00:02:35,255 WHICH WAS LAUNCHED BY THE 98 00:02:35,255 --> 00:02:37,390 COUNTRY'S PREVIOUS RIGHT-WING 99 00:02:37,390 --> 00:02:39,058 NATIONALIST GOVERNMENT, IS 100 00:02:39,058 --> 00:02:40,493 PARTLY TO BLAME FOR SETTING THE 101 00:02:40,493 --> 00:02:41,728 COUNTRY BACK. 102 00:02:41,728 --> 00:02:43,229 >> I DON'T WANT TO COMMENT THE 103 00:02:43,229 --> 00:02:46,666 STYLE, BUT I ALWAYS COMMENT TO 104 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:48,635 SPEND ONE BILLION EURO. 105 00:02:48,635 --> 00:02:49,702 >> Reporter: ONE BILLION EUROS? 106 00:02:49,702 --> 00:02:52,038 >> YES, FOR THAT MONUMENTS AND 107 00:02:52,038 --> 00:02:55,475 MUSEUMS IN THE CENTER OF OUR 108 00:02:55,475 --> 00:02:57,844 CAPITAL, IT'’’S REALLY STUPID. 109 00:02:57,844 --> 00:02:59,946 IT'S VERY WRONG FOR DEVELOPING 110 00:02:59,946 --> 00:03:02,015 COUNTRY WHERE IS A LOT OF POOR 111 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:03,016 PEOPLE. 112 00:03:03,016 --> 00:03:03,750 >> Reporter: IN FACT, WHILE 113 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:05,485 TOURISM NUMBERS ARE UP IN THE 114 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:07,120 LAST SEVERAL YEARS, IT'S STILL 115 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,755 A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE 116 00:03:08,755 --> 00:03:10,123 COUNTRY'’’S ECONOMY. 117 00:03:10,123 --> 00:03:11,491 THE AVERAGE NET INCOME HERE IS 118 00:03:11,491 --> 00:03:14,494 ONLY ABOUT $450 A MONTH. 119 00:03:14,494 --> 00:03:15,461 WHEN YOU WALK TO THE BACK OF THE 120 00:03:15,461 --> 00:03:17,096 BUILDING, YOU SEE, WELL, IT'S 121 00:03:17,096 --> 00:03:18,865 NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT SEEMS. 122 00:03:18,865 --> 00:03:20,500 PEEKING BEHIND THE NEOCLASSICAL 123 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:22,001 FACADES GIVES A GLIMPSE OF THE 124 00:03:22,001 --> 00:03:24,070 REALITY OF HOW PEOPLE LIVE. 125 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:25,572 INSULATION IN MOST APARTMENTS 126 00:03:25,572 --> 00:03:27,473 AND HOMES IS SO BAD, HEATING CAN 127 00:03:27,473 --> 00:03:29,108 COST UP TO HALF AN AVERAGE 128 00:03:29,108 --> 00:03:30,476 SALARY. 129 00:03:30,476 --> 00:03:31,878 IN JUST ONE HOUR SOUTH OF 130 00:03:31,878 --> 00:03:34,147 SKOPJE, THE ISSUE ISN'T FAKE 131 00:03:34,147 --> 00:03:35,548 FACADES. 132 00:03:35,548 --> 00:03:36,516 >> CULTURAL HERITAGE TO ALL OF 133 00:03:36,516 --> 00:03:38,218 US, AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING 134 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,353 THAT UNITES US, NOT DIVIDES US. 135 00:03:40,353 --> 00:03:41,888 >> Reporter: ARCHEOLOGIST GOCE 136 00:03:41,888 --> 00:03:43,590 PAVLOVSKI IS WORKING ON RESEARCH 137 00:03:43,590 --> 00:03:44,891 AND PROTECTION OF THE ANCIENT 138 00:03:44,891 --> 00:03:46,292 CITY OF STOBI. 139 00:03:46,292 --> 00:03:47,860 HERE ARTIFACTS LIKE THESE CHURCH 140 00:03:47,860 --> 00:03:50,597 MOSAICS DATE BACK TO 400 A.D. 141 00:03:50,597 --> 00:03:51,931 >> THE GAMES WOULD START IN THE 142 00:03:51,931 --> 00:03:52,465 MORNING. 143 00:03:52,465 --> 00:03:53,233 >> Reporter: EVEN OLDER IS THIS 144 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:54,634 ROMAN THEATER. 145 00:03:54,634 --> 00:03:56,369 AND OLDER STILL, RUINS OF 146 00:03:56,369 --> 00:03:58,171 STRUCTURES DATING TO THE TIME OF 147 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:00,473 ALEXANDER THE GREAT. 148 00:04:00,473 --> 00:04:01,874 FOR PAVLOVSKI, IT'S ALL PART OF 149 00:04:01,874 --> 00:04:03,276 A BIGGER PICTURE. 150 00:04:03,276 --> 00:04:05,211 ARCHAEOLOGY, HE SAYS, SHOWS HOW 151 00:04:05,211 --> 00:04:06,613 PEOPLE IN THE REGION SHARE A 152 00:04:06,613 --> 00:04:08,047 SINGLE HERITAGE. 153 00:04:08,047 --> 00:04:09,515 MODERN BORDERS ARE A KIND OF 154 00:04:09,515 --> 00:04:11,384 POLITICAL MIRAGE. 155 00:04:11,384 --> 00:04:12,418 AND WHO GETS TO CLAIM THIS? 156 00:04:12,418 --> 00:04:13,886 WHO GETS TO SAY, "THIS IS MY 157 00:04:13,886 --> 00:04:14,587 HISTORY"? 158 00:04:14,587 --> 00:04:16,122 >> HUMANITY. 159 00:04:16,122 --> 00:04:17,690 I WOULD SAY HUMANITY. 160 00:04:17,690 --> 00:04:19,158 YOU-- YOU DON'’’T CLAIM HISTORY. 161 00:04:19,158 --> 00:04:19,959 HISTORY IS THERE. 162 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:21,227 HISTORY IS NOT THE PROPERTY OF 163 00:04:21,227 --> 00:04:22,562 CERTAIN NATIONS. 164 00:04:22,562 --> 00:04:23,596 IT'S THE PROPERTY OF THE 165 00:04:23,596 --> 00:04:25,231 TERRITORY WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. 166 00:04:25,231 --> 00:04:27,300 SO, THE RULERS CAN CHANGE, THE 167 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:27,967 COUNTRIES CAN CHANGE, THEIR 168 00:04:27,967 --> 00:04:29,102 BORDERS CAN CHANGE, AND THE 169 00:04:29,102 --> 00:04:30,503 HISTORY STAYS THERE. 170 00:04:30,503 --> 00:04:31,170 >> Reporter: AS FOR ALL THE 171 00:04:31,170 --> 00:04:33,239 STATUES IN SKOPJE, WELL, THEY'RE 172 00:04:33,239 --> 00:04:35,575 SUBJECT TO HISTORY, TOO. 173 00:04:35,575 --> 00:04:38,845 >> PART OF OUR CITIZENS ARE IN 174 00:04:38,845 --> 00:04:40,446 FAVOR TO TAKE OUT THESE 175 00:04:40,446 --> 00:04:42,148 MONUMENTS, TO TAKE IT OUT. 176 00:04:42,148 --> 00:03:32,212 >> Reporter: IT'S THAT 177 00:03:32,212 --> 00:04:43,182 CONTROVERSIAL. 178 00:04:43,182 --> 00:04:44,817 >> TO PUT THEM IN OTHER PLACES. 179 00:04:44,817 --> 00:04:46,185 AND THAT COST MONEY ALSO. 180 00:04:46,185 --> 00:04:48,121 IT'S NOT EASIER TO DO-- TO DO 181 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:48,554 IT. 182 00:04:48,554 --> 00:04:51,658 EVERY DOLLAR, EVERY DINAR FOR US 183 00:04:51,658 --> 00:04:53,626 IS VERY PRECIOUS TO FIND 184 00:04:53,626 --> 00:04:56,329 SOLUTIONS FOR EVERYDAY PROBLEMS. 185 00:04:56,329 --> 00:04:57,997 EVERY MONEY, WHAT WE HAVE IT, 186 00:04:57,997 --> 00:04:59,265 WE MUST PUT IN OUR HEALTH 187 00:04:59,265 --> 00:05:01,434 SYSTEM, IN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM, 188 00:05:01,434 --> 00:05:03,169 NEW JOBS FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. 189 00:05:03,169 --> 00:05:05,271 THAT IS THE HIGH DISCUSSION IN 190 00:05:05,271 --> 00:05:07,440 OUR SOCIETY. 191 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,174 >> Reporter: ZAEV HOPES, IF 192 00:05:08,174 --> 00:05:10,009 HIS PRO-WESTERN PARTY WINS IN 193 00:05:10,009 --> 00:05:11,944 UPCOMING ELECTIONS THIS SPRING, 194 00:05:11,944 --> 00:05:13,279 IT WILL HELP RENEW THE CHANCES 195 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,681 THE COUNTRY WILL BE ADMITTED TO 196 00:05:14,681 --> 00:05:15,848 THE E.U. 197 00:05:15,848 --> 00:05:17,684 BUILDING FRIENDSHIPS, HE SAYS, 198 00:05:17,684 --> 00:05:19,452 IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BUILDING 199 00:05:19,452 --> 00:05:21,521 MONUMENTS TO THE PAST.