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>> Sreenivasan: THE NEWLY-NAMED

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NORTH MACEDONIA IS ONE STEP

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CLOSER TO BECOMING THE 30th

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MEMBER OF NATO AFTER A

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UNANIMOUS VOTE THIS WEEK BY

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THEIR PARLIAMENT IN FAVOR OF

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MEMBERSHIP.

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THIS COMES AFTER A PROTRACTED

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DISPUTE WITH GREECE OVER THE

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COUNTRY'S PREVIOUS NAME AND

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EVEN ITS ARCHITECTURE.

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IT'S A POLITICAL CRISIS WHICH,

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AS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND SPECIAL

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CORRESPONDENT CHRISTOPHER

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LIVESAY REPORTS, IS REFLECTED IN

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THE SKYLINE OF THE CAPITAL CITY

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OF SKOPJE.

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(<i>CHURCH BELLS RINGING</i>)

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>> Reporter: YOU MIGHT NOT

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EXPECT BIG THINGS FROM THE

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CAPITAL OF A LANDLOCKED BALKAN

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COUNTRY THAT'S SMALLER THAN THE

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STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, BUT

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SKOPJE, NORTH MACEDONIA, MIGHT

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SURPRISE YOU.

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THERE ARE THE TYPICAL TOURIST

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SITES LIKE THIS ANCIENT

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FORTRESS, AND A SPRAWLING

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OTTOMAN BAZAAR WHERE THE LOCAL

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SPECIALTY, MACEDONIAN PEPPERS,

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ARE SOLD BY THE BAG-FULL.

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THESE PALE GREEN "ZELENI

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PIPERKI" ARE ON THE HOT SIDE.

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BUT WHAT REALLY MAKES SKOPJE

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SPECIAL IS THIS.

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AND THIS.

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AND THESE.

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HUNDREDS OF STATUES, AND

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CLASSICAL-LOOKING BUT ACTUALLY

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BRAND-NEW FACADES ON DOZENS OF

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BUILDINGS IN THE CITY CENTER.

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WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE SQUARE

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HERE?

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>> MACEDONIA.

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>> Reporter: MACEDONIA SQUARE.

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>> YES.

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>> Reporter: NIKOLA SRBOV, A

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HISTORIAN AND ADVISOR TO THE

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STATE ARCHIVES, SAYS THIS WAS

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ALL BUILT BY THE GOVERNMENT JUST

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A FEW YEARS AGO, A PROJECT

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CALLED "SKOPJE 2014."

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THE IDEA WAS TO GIVE A FACELIFT

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TO THIS FORMERLY COMMUNIST CITY,

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BOOST NATIONAL PRIDE AND ATTRACT

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TOURISTS, TOO.

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>> (<i>translated</i>): IN A WAY, THE

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CITY HAS GROWN INTO SOMETHING

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MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN IT USED TO

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BE.

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>> Reporter: MUSEUMS AND

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GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS BOAST

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COLUMNS AND MARBLE LOOK-ALIKE

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FACADES THAT ARE MEANT TO LOOK

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HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD BUT ARE

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LESS THAN TEN.

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THERE'S ALSO A TRIUMPHAL ARCH

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AND TWO NEW BRIDGES ACROSS THE

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VARDA RIVER THAT HAVE ON THEM

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ABOUT 30 STATUES EACH.

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NOT EVERYONE HAS BEEN IMPRESSED.

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THE "NEW YORK TIMES" CALLED THE

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REMODELED CITY ONE OF THE

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"KITSCHIEST" CAPITALS ON THE

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PLANET.

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TOURISTS WE MET SEEMED BEMUSED.

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>> IT'’’S AMAZING.

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WE NEVER-- WE'VE BEEN IN MORE

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THAN 36 COUNTRIES.

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WE'VE NEVER SEEN THIS NUMBER OF

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STATUES EVERYWHERE.

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>> SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THIS

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MONUMENT, DISNEYLAND MONUMENTS.

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>> Reporter: DISNEYLAND

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MONUMENTS?

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>> YES.

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A LOT OF COMMENTS HAPPEN.

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>> Reporter: ZORAN ZAEV IS THE

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HEAD OF NORTH MACEDONIA'S RULING

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PARTY.

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HE WAS PRIME MINISTER UP UNTIL

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RECENTLY.

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HE RESIGNED LAST MONTH AFTER THE

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COUNTRY FAILED TO WIN MEMBERSHIP

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IN THE EUROPEAN UNION.

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HE SAYS THE BUILDING PROJECT,

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WHICH WAS LAUNCHED BY THE

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COUNTRY'S PREVIOUS RIGHT-WING

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NATIONALIST GOVERNMENT, IS

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PARTLY TO BLAME FOR SETTING THE

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COUNTRY BACK.

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>> I DON'T WANT TO COMMENT THE

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STYLE, BUT I ALWAYS COMMENT TO

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SPEND ONE BILLION EURO.

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>> Reporter: ONE BILLION EUROS?

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>> YES, FOR THAT MONUMENTS AND

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MUSEUMS IN THE CENTER OF OUR

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CAPITAL, IT'’’S REALLY STUPID.

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IT'S VERY WRONG FOR DEVELOPING

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COUNTRY WHERE IS A LOT OF POOR

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PEOPLE.

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>> Reporter: IN FACT, WHILE

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TOURISM NUMBERS<i>ARE</i>UP IN THE

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LAST SEVERAL YEARS, IT'S STILL

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A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE

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COUNTRY'’’S ECONOMY.

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THE AVERAGE NET INCOME HERE IS

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ONLY ABOUT $450 A MONTH.

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WHEN YOU WALK TO THE BACK OF THE

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BUILDING, YOU SEE, WELL, IT'S

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NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT SEEMS.

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PEEKING BEHIND THE NEOCLASSICAL

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FACADES GIVES A GLIMPSE OF THE

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REALITY OF HOW PEOPLE LIVE.

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INSULATION IN MOST APARTMENTS

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AND HOMES IS SO BAD, HEATING CAN

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COST UP TO HALF AN AVERAGE

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SALARY.

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IN JUST ONE HOUR SOUTH OF

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SKOPJE, THE ISSUE ISN'T FAKE

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FACADES.

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>> CULTURAL HERITAGE TO ALL OF

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US, AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING

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THAT UNITES US, NOT DIVIDES US.

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>> Reporter: ARCHEOLOGIST GOCE

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PAVLOVSKI IS WORKING ON RESEARCH

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AND PROTECTION OF THE ANCIENT

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CITY OF STOBI.

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HERE ARTIFACTS LIKE THESE CHURCH

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MOSAICS DATE BACK TO 400 A.D.

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>> THE GAMES WOULD START IN THE

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MORNING.

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>> Reporter: EVEN OLDER IS THIS

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ROMAN THEATER.

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AND OLDER STILL, RUINS OF

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STRUCTURES DATING TO THE TIME OF

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ALEXANDER THE GREAT.

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FOR PAVLOVSKI, IT'S ALL PART OF

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A BIGGER PICTURE.

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ARCHAEOLOGY, HE SAYS, SHOWS HOW

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PEOPLE IN THE REGION SHARE A

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SINGLE HERITAGE.

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MODERN BORDERS ARE A KIND OF

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POLITICAL MIRAGE.

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AND WHO GETS TO CLAIM THIS?

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WHO GETS TO SAY, "THIS IS<i>MY</i>

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HISTORY"?

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>> HUMANITY.

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I WOULD SAY HUMANITY.

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YOU-- YOU DON'’’T CLAIM HISTORY.

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HISTORY IS THERE.

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HISTORY IS NOT THE PROPERTY OF

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CERTAIN NATIONS.

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IT'S THE PROPERTY OF THE

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TERRITORY WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.

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SO, THE RULERS CAN CHANGE, THE

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COUNTRIES CAN CHANGE, THEIR

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BORDERS CAN CHANGE, AND THE

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HISTORY STAYS THERE.

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>> Reporter: AS FOR ALL THE

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STATUES IN SKOPJE, WELL, THEY'RE

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SUBJECT TO HISTORY, TOO.

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>> PART OF OUR CITIZENS ARE IN

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FAVOR TO TAKE OUT THESE

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MONUMENTS, TO TAKE IT OUT.

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>> Reporter: IT'S THAT

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CONTROVERSIAL.

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>> TO PUT THEM IN OTHER PLACES.

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AND THAT COST MONEY ALSO.

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IT'S NOT EASIER TO DO-- TO DO

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IT.

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EVERY DOLLAR, EVERY DINAR FOR US

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IS VERY PRECIOUS TO FIND

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SOLUTIONS FOR EVERYDAY PROBLEMS.

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EVERY MONEY, WHAT WE HAVE IT,

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WE MUST PUT IN OUR HEALTH

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SYSTEM, IN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM,

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NEW JOBS FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

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THAT IS THE HIGH DISCUSSION IN

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OUR SOCIETY.

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>> Reporter: ZAEV HOPES, IF

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HIS PRO-WESTERN PARTY WINS IN

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UPCOMING ELECTIONS THIS SPRING,

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IT WILL HELP RENEW THE CHANCES

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THE COUNTRY WILL BE ADMITTED TO

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THE E.U.

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BUILDING FRIENDSHIPS, HE SAYS,

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IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BUILDING

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MONUMENTS TO THE PAST.