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>> Sreenivasan: THERE ARE

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APPROXIMATELY 4.5 MILLION

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AMERICANS ON PROBATION OR

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PAROLE.

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THAT'’’S NEARLY FOUR TIMES WHAT IT

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WAS IN 1980.

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BUT HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE SYSTEM

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AT KEEPING PEOPLE FROM

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REOFFENDING AND ENDING UP BACK

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BEHIND BARS?

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FOR THE PAST DECADE, ARIZONA'’’S

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ADULT PROBATION DEPARTMENT HAD

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BEEN QUIETLY CHANGING THE WAY IT

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DOES BUSINESS, ENGAGING WITH

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OFFENDERS IN SURPRISING WAYS.

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AND THE APPROACHES ARE YIELDING

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RESULTS.

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NEWSHOUR WEEKEND'’’S CHRISTOPHER

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BOOKER REPORTS.

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>> ( \LAUGHS \)

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>> Reporter: WATCHING DOUGLAS

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MINKNER WITH HIS SEVEN-MONTH-OLD

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SON MAKES IT HARD TO PICTURE HIS

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PAST.

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>> ARE YOU READY FOR SOME MORE?

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I STARTED SMOKING HEAVY IN

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SEVENTH GRADE.

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I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE DAY, I WAS

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GOING TO CLASS HIGH.

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>> Reporter: THE SON OF A POLICE

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OFFICER, MINKNER HAS A LONG

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TRACK RECORD WITH ADDICTION.

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HIS DRUG USE STARTED WITH

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MARIJUANA IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL,

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THEN CAME ECSTASY AND COCAINE AS

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A HIGH SCHOOL FRESHMAN, AND

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FINALLY CRYSTAL METHAMPHETAMINE

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AND HEROIN.

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>> I JUST DIDN'’’T WANT TO STOP.

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I WANTED TO DO THAT EVERY SINGLE

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DAY OF MY LIFE.

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THAT'’’S WHERE MY TROUBLE BEGAN.

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>> Reporter: AND THE TROUBLE WAS

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CRIMINAL, INCLUDING BREAKING-

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AND-ENTERING, BURGLARY AND

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NARCOTICS POSSESSION.

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RACKING UP NINE FELONIES BY THE

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TIME HE WAS 20, HE SPENT MOST OF

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HIS DAYS EITHER BEHIND BARS OR

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ON PROBATION.

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>> BACK WHEN I WAS YOUNGER ON

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PROBATION, WHEN I WAS IN HIGH

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SCHOOL, IT WAS JUST ES...

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ESSENTIALLY, "DID HE TEST TODAY?

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DID HE COLLECT... TEST CLEAN?

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DID HE DO HIS COMMUNITY

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SERVICE?"

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THAT'’’S IT.

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AND IT WAS ALMOST JUST LIKE A...

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A NAGGING PARENT, WHERE SOMEBODY

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WAS JUST LIKE, "HEY, YOU KNOW

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WHAT YOU'’’RE SUPPOSED TO BE

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DOING.

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WHY AREN'’’T YOU DOING IT?

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OKAY, YOU'’’RE NOT GOING TO DO IT?

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JAIL."

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>> HOW ARE YOU DOING?

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THAT'’’S OKAY!

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>> Reporter: BUT RECENTLY,

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THINGS HAVE IMPROVED.

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HE JUST CELEBRATED ONE YEAR

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SOBER.

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THE PERSON HE CREDITS IS HIS

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PROBATION OFFICER, KELLI WATSON.

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>> ADDICTION IS DIFFICULT TO

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DEAL WITH.

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IF YOU LOCK THEM AWAY, THEY MAY

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BE SOBER FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME

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THEY'’’RE LOCKED AWAY.

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BUT AS SOON AS THEY GET OUT,

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THEY ARE.

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NOW, I TRY AND FIND A GOOD

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BALANCE BETWEEN HOLDING THEM

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ACCOUNTABLE BUT ALSO

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UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'’’RE ALL

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HUMAN BEINGS.

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>> Reporter: BECAUSE ARIZONA

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CONSIDERS MINKNER A HIGH-RISK

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INDIVIDUAL, WATSON SUPERVISES

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HIM UNDER WHAT THE STATE CALLS

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INTENSIVE PROBATION SUPERVISION,

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OR I.P.S.

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IT'’’S PART OF AN INNOVATIVE

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OVERHAUL OF THE SYSTEM THAT

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INVOLVES FITTING THE RIGHT KIND

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OF PROBATION TO THE RIGHT

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PERSON.

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>> YOU CAN STOP THERE, DOUGLAS.

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ALL ARE ZEROS, SO THANKS SO

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MUCH.

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NEGATIVE FOR ALCOHOL.

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>> OBVIOUSLY, PROBATION ISN'’’T

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SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO BE

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ON.

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IT'’’S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU

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ENJOY BEING ON.

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>> Reporter: I.P.S. MEANS

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MINKNER LIVES UNDER HOUSE

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ARREST.

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WATSON MUST APPROVE EVERY HOUR

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OF HIS DAY.

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THAT INCLUDES TREATMENT, GROUP

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THERAPY, HIS WORK SCHEDULE, EVEN

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TIME JUST WATCHING HIS SON.

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IF HE RUNS OUT OF DIAPERS AND

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NEEDS TO GO TO THE STORE, HE

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MUST ASK WATSON FOR PERMISSION.

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HAD YOU BEEN ON PROBATION IN THE

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WAY YOU'’’RE ON PROBATION NOW AS A

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YOUNG PERSON, YOUR PATH MAY HAVE

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GONE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION?

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

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110%, IN MY OPINION.

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I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE HELP

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THAT I NEEDED.

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I WOULD'’’VE HAD A POSITIVE

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RELATIONSHIP WITH AN ACTUAL

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PUBLIC FIGURE THAT IS WANTING TO

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MAKE A CHANGE AND A DIFFERENCE

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IN PEOPLES'’’ LIVES.

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AND WHO KNOWS WHERE THAT WOULD

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HAVE ACTUALLY LED ME?

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ONE YEAR SOBER.

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>> THAT'’’S A HUGE MOMENT.

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THAT'’’S A LONG TIME, DOUGLAS.

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>> IT'’’S THE LONGEST I'’’VE PULLED

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IN ALL 26 YEARS OF THIS LIFE OF

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MINE.

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( \LAUGHS \)

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PLUS, HAVING YOU GUYS ON MY

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SIDE, AS WELL.

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YOU KNOW, DOING THESE CHECK-INS

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AT FIRST, I'’’VE GOT TO ADMIT,

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THEY WERE REALLY KIND OF LIKE A

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PAIN.

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LIKE, "AH, HERE THEY ARE AGAIN

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AT MY DOOR!"

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BUT, I MEAN, IT'’’S... IT'S

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DIFFERENT NOW.

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>> Reporter: HOW DO YOU VIEW

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KELLY?

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WHO IS SHE TO YOU?

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>> SO, KELLY, TO ME, I WOULD

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HONESTLY SAY, IS SOMEBODY THAT I

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CAN GO TO IF I NEED HELP, IF I'’’M

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STRUGGLING AND SHE HAS THE

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RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO

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ME SO I CAN GET MY PROBLEM

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RESOLVED.

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>> Reporter: THE NATURE OF THE

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RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MINKNER AND

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OFFICER WATSON IS NOT

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ACCIDENTAL.

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RATHER, IT'’’S A REFLECTION OF A

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RADICAL RETOOLING OF ARIZONA'’’S

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ADULT PROBATION DEPARTMENT THAT

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WAS ROLLED OUT STATEWIDE IN

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2008.

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BETWEEN 2008 AND 2016, THERE WAS

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A 29% DECLINE IN PROBATION

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VIOLATIONS AND A 21% DECLINE IN

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ARRESTS OF PEOPLE ON PROBATION.

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THAT TRANSLATES TO FEWER PEOPLE

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BEHIND BARS.

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AND BECAUSE IT COSTS JUST OVER

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$66 PER DAY TO KEEP SOMEONE IN

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PRISON, AND LESS THAN $22 A DAY

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TO PUT THEM ON PROBATION,

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ARIZONA SAYS IT HAS SAVED MORE

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THAN $461 MILLION SINCE 2009.

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>> THE EASIEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT

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IS, WE WEREN'’’T BEING VERY

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SUCCESSFUL.

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>> Reporter: BARBARA BRODERICK

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HAS BEEN SPEARHEADING ARIZONA'’’S

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CHANGES IN ADULT PROBATION SINCE

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2004.

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>> PEOPLE WEREN'’’T CHANGING, THEY

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WEREN'’’T SUCCEEDING, THEY WERE

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FAILING AT A GREAT RATE.

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AND SITTING DOWN WITH OFFICERS,

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PEOPLE WERE GETTING KIND OF...

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"WE'’’RE HITTING OUR HEAD AGAINST

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THE WALL.

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WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENTLY THAT

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WOULD REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE

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IN PEOPLE'’’S LIVES?"

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>> Reporter: THEY BEGAN, SAYS

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BRODERICK, BY PERSONALIZING

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THEIR DEALINGS WITH EACH

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PROBATIONER...

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>> IF I DIDN'T APOLOGIZE, SHE'’’D

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STILL BE UPSET ABOUT IT.

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>> Reporter: ...LEARNING THE

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DETAILS OF THEIR LIVES AND THE

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PATTERNS OF THEIR NEGATIVE

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BEHAVIOR.

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>> I'’’M NOT UPSET WITH HER.

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I'’’M UPSET WITH SITUATIONS AT

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WORK.

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>> GOOD, GOOD ONE.

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I LIKE THAT ONE.

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>> Reporter: THE DEPARTMENT

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WORKS TO CHANGE THOSE PATTERNS

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BY PROVIDING CLASSES THAT HELP

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THEM CREATE GOALS AND LEARN

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COPING SKILLS.

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>> WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

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DID YOU USE... TAKE OTHERS'

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FEELINGS INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE I

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DO SOMETHING.

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>> Reporter: THE IDEA IS TO GET

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TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT IS DRIVING

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THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.

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THEY ALSO REDUCED THE NUMBER OF

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CASES FOR OFFICERS LIKE KELLI

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WATSON, SO THEY CAN SPEND MORE

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TIME WITH OFFENDERS ON I.P.S.

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>> HEY!

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>> THE SORTING OF PEOPLE REALLY

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GAVE US THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY

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SPEND MORE TIME WITH THE MORE

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DIFFICULT... THE MEDIUM TO HIGH-

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RISK INDIVIDUALS, AND LESS TIME

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WITH THE LOW-RISK INDIVIDUALS.

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>> WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW IF THE

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SAME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK STARTS

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COMING BACK IN?

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WHAT THEN?

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>> I PICK UP THE PHONE, AND I

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CALL YOU.

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>> Reporter: SCOTT GIBSON IS

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WHAT'’’S CALLED A STANDARD

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PROBATION OFFICER.

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THAT MEANS THE MAJORITY OF

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OFFENDERS HE OVERSEES ARE LOWER-

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RISK THAN OFFICER WATSON'S, AND

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HE SEES MORE OF THEM.

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THAT DOESN'’’T MEAN THEY AREN'’’T

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REQUIRED TO CHECK IN WITH HIM

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ONCE A MONTH, ATTEND GROUP

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THERAPY AND PERFORM COMMUNITY

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SERVICE.

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AND LIKE WATSON, GIBSON'’’S BEEN

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SPECIALLY TRAINED TO KNOW THE

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DETAILS OF EACH OF THEIR

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STORIES.

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>> IF BUILDING A... A RAPPORT

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WITH SOMEBODY AND LETTING THEM

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KNOW THAT YOU'’’RE REALLY TRYING

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TO HELP THEM IS WHAT WORKS,

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THEN... THEN THAT'S HUGE.

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>> Reporter: BUT ARIZONA IS NOT

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JUST TRYING TO CHANGE THE WAY

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OFFENDERS THINK AND ACT; IT'’’S

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TRYING TO DO THE SAME WITH

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PROBATION OFFICERS.

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THE OFFICERS MEET REGULARLY TO

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DISCUSS WHAT'’’S WORKING WITH

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THEIR CASES, WHAT'’’S NOT AND HOW

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THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPROVE

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OUTCOMES.

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>> SO, THESE TWO TYPES OF

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INTERVENTIONS ARE THE MOST

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EFFECTIVE IN CHANGING OFFENDER

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BEHAVIOR OVER THE LONG-TERM.

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IF THIS IS WHAT WORKS, THIS IS

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WHAT WE'’’VE BEEN SHOWN TO WORK,

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WHY NOT DO IT?

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>> Reporter: BUT WHAT HAPPENS

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WITH THE TOUGHEST OF CASES?

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KRISTIN PATRICK IS A THREE-TIME

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FELON...

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>> HI, KRISTEN.

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>> Reporter: ...A CRYSTAL METH

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ADDICT WHO RELAPSED JUST SIX

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WEEKS AGO WHILE UNDER OFFICER

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KELLI WATSON'’’S SUPERVISION.

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>> LET'’’S JUST DO A NORMAL

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WALKTHROUGH.

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>> Reporter: IN ARIZONA, A STATE

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THAT HAS MANDATORY MINIMUM

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SENTENCES, THAT HAS

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TRADITIONALLY PUT A PERSON RIGHT

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BACK IN JAIL.

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>> ALL RIGHT, LET'’’S DO A QUICK

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BREATHALIZER, IF YOU DON'’’T MIND.

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>> I'’’VE NEVER NOT BEEN ARRESTED

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FOR SCREWING UP.

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YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

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IT'’’S KIND OF LIKE CLOCKWORK FOR

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ME.

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SO, I JUST EXPECTED THAT.

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I WAS BLOWN AWAY WHEN SHE WALKED

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AWAY AND I WASN'’’T IN THE BACK OF

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HER CAR OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.

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THINKING, "SHOULD I RUN?

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SHOULD I RUN?"

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>> Reporter: WHY DID YOU DECIDE

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HANDLED IT.

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I'’’VE DONE THIS SO MANY TIMES.

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LIKE, WHY CAN'’’T I JUST GET IT

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RIGHT?

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AND I WAS JUST, LIKE, "BUT SHE

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DIDN'T SAY I'’’M GOING TO JAIL."

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THAT'’’S MY MAIN GOAL RIGHT NOW,

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IS TO STAY OUT OF JAIL, LIKE, SO

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I CAN BE A PART OF MY KIDS'’’

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LIVES REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT

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LOOKS LIKE.

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ME, I DID THE THINKING TOOL THAT

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SHE'’’S STARTED TO PUSH ON ME.

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>> IN THIS SITUATION, WHAT'’’S

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SOMETHING... WHAT'S A NEW

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THOUGHT YOU COULD HAVE HAD?

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>> DON'’’T REACH OUT ENOUGH.

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DOING THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY

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WORKING.

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>> WRITE IT DOWN.

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THAT'’’S GOOD.

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>> I'’’VE DONE SEVERAL OF THESE

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ACTIVITIES, AND I'’’VE ACTUALLY

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CAUGHT MYSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF,

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LIKE, IMPLEMENTING IT.

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SO, I KNOW THAT IT'’’S WORKING.

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>> I HOPE SHE FEELS THAT I DO

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HAVE HER BEST INTEREST IN MIND

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AND THAT I'’’M NOT HERE TO LOCK

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HER UP AND... AND THROW AWAY THE

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KEY.

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WORK ON HERSELF, I'’’M WILLING TO

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WORK WITH HER, TOO.