WEBVTT 00:00.500 --> 00:01.134 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Sreenivasan: THERE ARE 00:01.134 --> 00:03.536 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% APPROXIMATELY 4.5 MILLION 00:03.536 --> 00:05.438 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AMERICANS ON PROBATION OR 00:05.438 --> 00:06.272 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PAROLE. 00:06.272 --> 00:07.574 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT'’’S NEARLY FOUR TIMES WHAT IT 00:07.574 --> 00:09.175 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WAS IN 1980. 00:09.175 --> 00:10.944 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BUT HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE SYSTEM 00:10.944 --> 00:11.978 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AT KEEPING PEOPLE FROM 00:11.978 --> 00:14.080 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% REOFFENDING AND ENDING UP BACK 00:14.080 --> 00:15.315 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BEHIND BARS? 00:15.315 --> 00:16.850 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% FOR THE PAST DECADE, ARIZONA'’’S 00:16.850 --> 00:18.785 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ADULT PROBATION DEPARTMENT HAD 00:18.785 --> 00:20.353 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BEEN QUIETLY CHANGING THE WAY IT 00:20.353 --> 00:22.288 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DOES BUSINESS, ENGAGING WITH 00:22.288 --> 00:24.557 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OFFENDERS IN SURPRISING WAYS. 00:24.557 --> 00:26.259 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND THE APPROACHES ARE YIELDING 00:26.259 --> 00:26.993 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RESULTS. 00:26.993 --> 00:29.129 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% NEWSHOUR WEEKEND'’’S CHRISTOPHER 00:27.994 --> 00:30.663 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BOOKER REPORTS. 00:30.663 --> 00:31.965 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> ( \LAUGHS \) 00:31.965 --> 00:32.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: WATCHING DOUGLAS 00:32.766 --> 00:34.167 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MINKNER WITH HIS SEVEN-MONTH-OLD 00:34.167 --> 00:36.169 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SON MAKES IT HARD TO PICTURE HIS 00:36.169 --> 00:37.303 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PAST. 00:37.303 --> 00:40.140 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> ARE YOU READY FOR SOME MORE? 00:40.140 --> 00:41.007 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I STARTED SMOKING HEAVY IN 00:41.007 --> 00:41.574 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SEVENTH GRADE. 00:41.574 --> 00:42.842 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE DAY, I WAS 00:42.842 --> 00:44.411 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% GOING TO CLASS HIGH. 00:44.411 --> 00:45.178 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: THE SON OF A POLICE 00:45.178 --> 00:46.746 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OFFICER, MINKNER HAS A LONG 00:46.746 --> 00:48.448 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TRACK RECORD WITH ADDICTION. 00:48.448 --> 00:49.482 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HIS DRUG USE STARTED WITH 00:49.482 --> 00:51.284 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MARIJUANA IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, 00:51.284 --> 00:52.819 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEN CAME ECSTASY AND COCAINE AS 00:52.819 --> 00:54.254 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% A HIGH SCHOOL FRESHMAN, AND 00:54.254 --> 00:55.588 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% FINALLY CRYSTAL METHAMPHETAMINE 00:55.588 --> 00:56.823 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND HEROIN. 00:56.823 --> 00:57.757 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> I JUST DIDN'’’T WANT TO STOP. 00:57.757 --> 00:59.426 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I WANTED TO DO THAT EVERY SINGLE 00:59.426 --> 01:00.660 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DAY OF MY LIFE. 01:00.660 --> 01:02.762 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT'’’S WHERE MY TROUBLE BEGAN. 01:02.762 --> 01:03.563 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: AND THE TROUBLE WAS 01:03.563 --> 01:05.165 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% CRIMINAL, INCLUDING BREAKING- 01:05.165 --> 01:06.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND-ENTERING, BURGLARY AND 01:06.800 --> 01:08.201 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% NARCOTICS POSSESSION. 01:08.201 --> 01:09.736 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RACKING UP NINE FELONIES BY THE 01:09.736 --> 01:11.571 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TIME HE WAS 20, HE SPENT MOST OF 01:11.571 --> 01:13.406 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HIS DAYS EITHER BEHIND BARS OR 01:13.406 --> 01:14.507 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ON PROBATION. 01:14.507 --> 01:15.708 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> BACK WHEN I WAS YOUNGER ON 01:15.708 --> 01:17.143 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PROBATION, WHEN I WAS IN HIGH 01:17.143 --> 01:19.012 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SCHOOL, IT WAS JUST ES... 01:19.012 --> 01:20.480 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ESSENTIALLY, "DID HE TEST TODAY? 01:20.480 --> 01:22.282 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DID HE COLLECT... TEST CLEAN? 01:22.282 --> 01:23.116 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DID HE DO HIS COMMUNITY 01:23.116 --> 01:23.983 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SERVICE?" 01:23.983 --> 01:24.951 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT'’’S IT. 01:24.951 --> 01:26.920 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND IT WAS ALMOST JUST LIKE A... 01:26.920 --> 01:29.456 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% A NAGGING PARENT, WHERE SOMEBODY 01:29.456 --> 01:31.091 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WAS JUST LIKE, "HEY, YOU KNOW 01:31.091 --> 01:31.825 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHAT YOU'’’RE SUPPOSED TO BE 01:31.825 --> 01:32.592 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DOING. 01:32.592 --> 01:33.993 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHY AREN'’’T YOU DOING IT? 01:33.993 --> 01:35.328 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OKAY, YOU'’’RE NOT GOING TO DO IT? 01:35.328 --> 01:36.162 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% JAIL." 01:36.162 --> 01:37.063 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> HOW ARE YOU DOING? 01:37.063 --> 01:37.864 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT'’’S OKAY! 01:37.864 --> 01:38.498 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: BUT RECENTLY, 01:38.498 --> 01:39.732 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THINGS HAVE IMPROVED. 01:39.732 --> 01:40.934 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HE JUST CELEBRATED ONE YEAR 01:40.934 --> 01:41.968 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SOBER. 01:41.968 --> 01:43.269 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THE PERSON HE CREDITS IS HIS 01:43.269 --> 01:45.572 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PROBATION OFFICER, KELLI WATSON. 01:45.572 --> 01:47.340 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> ADDICTION IS DIFFICULT TO 01:47.340 --> 01:48.274 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DEAL WITH. 01:48.274 --> 01:50.577 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IF YOU LOCK THEM AWAY, THEY MAY 01:50.577 --> 01:52.178 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BE SOBER FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME 01:52.178 --> 01:54.114 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEY'’’RE LOCKED AWAY. 01:54.114 --> 01:56.783 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BUT AS SOON AS THEY GET OUT, 01:56.783 --> 01:57.584 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEY COME RIGHT BACK TO WHERE 01:57.584 --> 01:58.418 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEY ARE. 01:58.418 --> 01:59.886 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% NOW, I TRY AND FIND A GOOD 01:59.886 --> 02:02.388 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BALANCE BETWEEN HOLDING THEM 02:02.388 --> 02:03.523 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ACCOUNTABLE BUT ALSO 02:03.523 --> 02:04.591 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'’’RE ALL 02:04.591 --> 02:05.825 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HUMAN BEINGS. 02:05.825 --> 02:06.593 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: BECAUSE ARIZONA 02:06.593 --> 02:08.061 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% CONSIDERS MINKNER A HIGH-RISK 02:08.061 --> 02:09.929 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% INDIVIDUAL, WATSON SUPERVISES 02:09.929 --> 02:11.431 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HIM UNDER WHAT THE STATE CALLS 02:11.431 --> 02:13.199 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% INTENSIVE PROBATION SUPERVISION, 02:13.199 --> 02:14.734 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OR I.P.S. 02:14.734 --> 02:15.835 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IT'’’S PART OF AN INNOVATIVE 02:15.835 --> 02:17.103 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OVERHAUL OF THE SYSTEM THAT 02:17.103 --> 02:18.338 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% INVOLVES FITTING THE RIGHT KIND 02:18.338 --> 02:19.472 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OF PROBATION TO THE RIGHT 02:19.472 --> 02:20.140 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PERSON. 02:20.140 --> 02:21.875 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> YOU CAN STOP THERE, DOUGLAS. 02:21.875 --> 02:22.942 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ALL ARE ZEROS, SO THANKS SO 02:22.942 --> 02:23.610 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MUCH. 02:23.610 --> 02:24.844 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% NEGATIVE FOR ALCOHOL. 02:24.844 --> 02:26.112 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> OBVIOUSLY, PROBATION ISN'’’T 02:26.112 --> 02:27.380 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO BE 02:27.380 --> 02:27.914 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ON. 02:27.914 --> 02:28.648 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IT'’’S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU 02:28.648 --> 02:30.416 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ENJOY BEING ON. 02:30.416 --> 02:31.050 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: I.P.S. MEANS 02:31.050 --> 02:31.985 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MINKNER LIVES UNDER HOUSE 02:31.985 --> 02:32.719 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ARREST. 02:32.719 --> 02:34.053 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WATSON MUST APPROVE EVERY HOUR 02:34.053 --> 02:34.954 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OF HIS DAY. 02:34.954 --> 02:36.156 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT INCLUDES TREATMENT, GROUP 02:36.156 --> 02:38.191 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THERAPY, HIS WORK SCHEDULE, EVEN 02:38.191 --> 02:39.959 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TIME JUST WATCHING HIS SON. 02:39.959 --> 02:41.027 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IF HE RUNS OUT OF DIAPERS AND 02:41.027 --> 02:42.395 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% NEEDS TO GO TO THE STORE, HE 02:42.395 --> 02:44.497 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MUST ASK WATSON FOR PERMISSION. 02:44.497 --> 02:46.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HAD YOU BEEN ON PROBATION IN THE 02:46.266 --> 02:48.001 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WAY YOU'’’RE ON PROBATION NOW AS A 02:48.001 --> 02:49.702 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% YOUNG PERSON, YOUR PATH MAY HAVE 02:49.702 --> 02:50.970 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% GONE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION? 02:50.970 --> 02:51.971 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> ABSOLUTELY. 02:51.971 --> 02:53.940 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% 110%, IN MY OPINION. 02:53.940 --> 02:54.641 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE HELP 02:54.641 --> 02:55.675 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT I NEEDED. 02:55.675 --> 02:56.476 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I WOULD'’’VE HAD A POSITIVE 02:56.476 --> 02:58.711 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RELATIONSHIP WITH AN ACTUAL 02:58.711 --> 03:00.380 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PUBLIC FIGURE THAT IS WANTING TO 03:00.380 --> 03:01.748 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MAKE A CHANGE AND A DIFFERENCE 03:01.748 --> 03:03.249 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IN PEOPLES'’’ LIVES. 03:03.249 --> 03:04.484 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND WHO KNOWS WHERE THAT WOULD 03:04.484 --> 03:05.919 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HAVE ACTUALLY LED ME? 03:05.919 --> 03:06.753 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ONE YEAR SOBER. 03:06.753 --> 03:08.188 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> THAT'’’S A HUGE MOMENT. 03:08.188 --> 03:08.955 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT'’’S A LONG TIME, DOUGLAS. 03:08.955 --> 03:09.822 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> IT'’’S THE LONGEST I'’’VE PULLED 03:09.822 --> 03:11.691 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IN ALL 26 YEARS OF THIS LIFE OF 03:11.691 --> 03:12.158 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MINE. 03:12.158 --> 03:13.159 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ( \LAUGHS \) 03:13.159 --> 03:14.227 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PLUS, HAVING YOU GUYS ON MY 03:14.227 --> 03:15.395 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SIDE, AS WELL. 03:15.395 --> 03:16.462 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% YOU KNOW, DOING THESE CHECK-INS 03:16.462 --> 03:17.330 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AT FIRST, I'’’VE GOT TO ADMIT, 03:17.330 --> 03:18.598 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEY WERE REALLY KIND OF LIKE A 03:18.598 --> 03:19.332 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PAIN. 03:19.332 --> 03:20.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% LIKE, "AH, HERE THEY ARE AGAIN 03:20.466 --> 03:21.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AT MY DOOR!" 03:21.000 --> 03:22.135 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BUT, I MEAN, IT'’’S... IT'S 03:22.135 --> 03:22.969 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DIFFERENT NOW. 03:22.969 --> 03:23.770 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: HOW DO YOU VIEW 03:23.770 --> 03:24.237 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% KELLY? 03:24.237 --> 03:25.505 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHO IS SHE TO YOU? 03:25.505 --> 03:26.573 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> SO, KELLY, TO ME, I WOULD 03:26.573 --> 03:27.974 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HONESTLY SAY, IS SOMEBODY THAT I 03:27.974 --> 03:30.109 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% CAN GO TO IF I NEED HELP, IF I'’’M 03:30.109 --> 03:31.578 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% STRUGGLING AND SHE HAS THE 03:31.578 --> 03:33.580 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO 03:33.580 --> 03:35.515 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ME SO I CAN GET MY PROBLEM 03:35.515 --> 03:36.649 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RESOLVED. 03:36.649 --> 03:37.350 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: THE NATURE OF THE 03:37.350 --> 03:38.651 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MINKNER AND 03:38.651 --> 03:39.919 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OFFICER WATSON IS NOT 03:39.919 --> 03:41.221 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ACCIDENTAL. 03:41.221 --> 03:42.488 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RATHER, IT'’’S A REFLECTION OF A 03:42.488 --> 03:44.290 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RADICAL RETOOLING OF ARIZONA'’’S 03:44.290 --> 03:45.692 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ADULT PROBATION DEPARTMENT THAT 03:45.692 --> 03:47.026 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WAS ROLLED OUT STATEWIDE IN 03:47.026 --> 03:48.528 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% 2008. 03:48.528 --> 03:50.597 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BETWEEN 2008 AND 2016, THERE WAS 03:50.597 --> 03:52.365 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% A 29% DECLINE IN PROBATION 03:52.365 --> 03:55.034 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% VIOLATIONS AND A 21% DECLINE IN 03:55.034 --> 03:56.903 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ARRESTS OF PEOPLE ON PROBATION. 03:56.903 --> 03:58.137 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT TRANSLATES TO FEWER PEOPLE 03:58.137 --> 03:59.439 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BEHIND BARS. 03:59.439 --> 04:00.506 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND BECAUSE IT COSTS JUST OVER 04:00.506 --> 04:02.642 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% $66 PER DAY TO KEEP SOMEONE IN 04:02.642 --> 04:05.311 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PRISON, AND LESS THAN $22 A DAY 04:05.311 --> 04:06.946 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TO PUT THEM ON PROBATION, 04:06.946 --> 04:08.414 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ARIZONA SAYS IT HAS SAVED MORE 04:08.414 --> 04:12.018 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAN $461 MILLION SINCE 2009. 04:12.018 --> 04:13.853 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> THE EASIEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT 04:13.853 --> 04:15.555 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IS, WE WEREN'’’T BEING VERY 04:15.555 --> 04:16.389 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SUCCESSFUL. 04:16.389 --> 04:17.090 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: BARBARA BRODERICK 04:17.090 --> 04:18.458 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HAS BEEN SPEARHEADING ARIZONA'’’S 04:18.458 --> 04:19.993 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% CHANGES IN ADULT PROBATION SINCE 04:19.993 --> 04:21.160 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% 2004. 04:21.160 --> 04:22.629 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> PEOPLE WEREN'’’T CHANGING, THEY 04:22.629 --> 04:23.796 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WEREN'’’T SUCCEEDING, THEY WERE 04:23.796 --> 04:25.431 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% FAILING AT A GREAT RATE. 04:25.431 --> 04:26.699 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND SITTING DOWN WITH OFFICERS, 04:26.699 --> 04:28.401 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PEOPLE WERE GETTING KIND OF... 04:28.401 --> 04:29.269 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% "WE'’’RE HITTING OUR HEAD AGAINST 04:29.269 --> 04:29.836 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THE WALL. 04:29.836 --> 04:31.838 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENTLY THAT 04:31.838 --> 04:32.805 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WOULD REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE 04:32.805 --> 04:34.407 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IN PEOPLE'’’S LIVES?" 04:34.407 --> 04:35.508 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: THEY BEGAN, SAYS 04:35.508 --> 04:37.143 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BRODERICK, BY PERSONALIZING 04:37.143 --> 04:38.144 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEIR DEALINGS WITH EACH 04:38.144 --> 04:38.911 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PROBATIONER... 04:38.911 --> 04:40.046 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> IF I DIDN'T APOLOGIZE, SHE'’’D 04:40.046 --> 04:41.347 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% STILL BE UPSET ABOUT IT. 04:41.347 --> 04:42.015 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: ...LEARNING THE 04:42.015 --> 04:43.316 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DETAILS OF THEIR LIVES AND THE 04:43.316 --> 04:44.317 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PATTERNS OF THEIR NEGATIVE 04:44.317 --> 04:45.385 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BEHAVIOR. 04:45.385 --> 04:46.552 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> I'’’M NOT UPSET WITH HER. 04:46.552 --> 04:47.820 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I'’’M UPSET WITH SITUATIONS AT 04:47.820 --> 04:48.554 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WORK. 04:48.554 --> 04:49.656 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> GOOD, GOOD ONE. 04:49.656 --> 04:50.657 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I LIKE THAT ONE. 04:50.657 --> 04:51.324 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: THE DEPARTMENT 04:51.324 --> 04:52.725 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WORKS TO CHANGE THOSE PATTERNS 04:52.725 --> 04:54.327 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BY PROVIDING CLASSES THAT HELP 04:54.327 --> 04:55.728 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEM CREATE GOALS AND LEARN 04:55.728 --> 04:56.863 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% COPING SKILLS. 04:56.863 --> 04:57.830 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? 04:57.830 --> 04:59.699 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DID YOU USE... TAKE OTHERS' 04:59.699 --> 05:01.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% FEELINGS INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE I 05:01.100 --> 05:02.268 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DO SOMETHING. 05:02.268 --> 05:03.002 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: THE IDEA IS TO GET 05:03.002 --> 05:05.338 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT IS DRIVING 05:04.070 --> 05:07.473 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. 05:07.473 --> 05:08.641 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEY ALSO REDUCED THE NUMBER OF 05:08.641 --> 05:09.976 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% CASES FOR OFFICERS LIKE KELLI 05:09.976 --> 05:11.744 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WATSON, SO THEY CAN SPEND MORE 05:11.744 --> 05:13.780 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TIME WITH OFFENDERS ON I.P.S. 05:13.780 --> 05:15.348 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> HEY! 05:15.348 --> 05:17.583 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> THE SORTING OF PEOPLE REALLY 05:17.583 --> 05:20.820 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% GAVE US THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY 05:20.820 --> 05:22.055 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SPEND MORE TIME WITH THE MORE 05:22.055 --> 05:24.223 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DIFFICULT... THE MEDIUM TO HIGH- 05:24.223 --> 05:26.125 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RISK INDIVIDUALS, AND LESS TIME 05:26.125 --> 05:28.227 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WITH THE LOW-RISK INDIVIDUALS. 05:28.227 --> 05:31.664 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW IF THE 05:31.664 --> 05:32.965 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SAME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK STARTS 05:32.965 --> 05:33.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% COMING BACK IN? 05:33.766 --> 05:34.567 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHAT THEN? 05:34.567 --> 05:35.568 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> I PICK UP THE PHONE, AND I 05:35.568 --> 05:37.003 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% CALL YOU. 05:37.003 --> 05:37.737 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: SCOTT GIBSON IS 05:37.737 --> 05:38.805 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHAT'’’S CALLED A STANDARD 05:38.805 --> 05:39.906 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PROBATION OFFICER. 05:39.906 --> 05:40.773 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT MEANS THE MAJORITY OF 05:40.773 --> 05:42.241 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OFFENDERS HE OVERSEES ARE LOWER- 05:42.241 --> 05:44.210 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RISK THAN OFFICER WATSON'S, AND 05:44.210 --> 05:45.611 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HE SEES MORE OF THEM. 05:45.611 --> 05:46.479 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT DOESN'’’T MEAN THEY AREN'’’T 05:46.479 --> 05:47.580 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% REQUIRED TO CHECK IN WITH HIM 05:47.580 --> 05:48.848 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ONCE A MONTH, ATTEND GROUP 05:48.848 --> 05:50.183 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THERAPY AND PERFORM COMMUNITY 05:50.183 --> 05:51.017 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SERVICE. 05:51.017 --> 05:52.452 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND LIKE WATSON, GIBSON'’’S BEEN 05:52.452 --> 05:53.820 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SPECIALLY TRAINED TO KNOW THE 05:53.820 --> 05:54.954 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DETAILS OF EACH OF THEIR 05:54.954 --> 05:55.722 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% STORIES. 05:55.722 --> 05:56.923 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> IF BUILDING A... A RAPPORT 05:56.923 --> 05:58.758 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WITH SOMEBODY AND LETTING THEM 05:58.758 --> 05:59.692 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% KNOW THAT YOU'’’RE REALLY TRYING 05:59.692 --> 06:01.227 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TO HELP THEM IS WHAT WORKS, 06:01.227 --> 06:03.563 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEN... THEN THAT'S HUGE. 06:03.563 --> 06:04.364 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: BUT ARIZONA IS NOT 06:04.364 --> 06:05.498 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% JUST TRYING TO CHANGE THE WAY 06:05.498 --> 06:07.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OFFENDERS THINK AND ACT; IT'’’S 06:07.066 --> 06:08.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TRYING TO DO THE SAME WITH 06:08.000 --> 06:09.469 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% PROBATION OFFICERS. 06:09.469 --> 06:10.670 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THE OFFICERS MEET REGULARLY TO 06:10.670 --> 06:11.804 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DISCUSS WHAT'’’S WORKING WITH 06:11.804 --> 06:13.773 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEIR CASES, WHAT'’’S NOT AND HOW 06:13.773 --> 06:14.941 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPROVE 06:14.941 --> 06:16.008 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% OUTCOMES. 06:16.008 --> 06:17.110 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> SO, THESE TWO TYPES OF 06:17.110 --> 06:18.411 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% INTERVENTIONS ARE THE MOST 06:18.411 --> 06:21.214 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% EFFECTIVE IN CHANGING OFFENDER 06:21.214 --> 06:23.316 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BEHAVIOR OVER THE LONG-TERM. 06:23.316 --> 06:25.284 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IF THIS IS WHAT WORKS, THIS IS 06:25.284 --> 06:30.256 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHAT WE'’’VE BEEN SHOWN TO WORK, 06:28.554 --> 06:32.425 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHYNOTDO IT? 06:32.425 --> 06:33.259 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: BUT WHAT HAPPENS 06:33.259 --> 06:35.328 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WITH THE TOUGHEST OF CASES? 06:35.328 --> 06:36.629 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% KRISTIN PATRICK IS A THREE-TIME 06:36.629 --> 06:37.263 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% FELON... 06:37.263 --> 06:37.864 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> HI, KRISTEN. 06:37.864 --> 06:38.564 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: ...A CRYSTAL METH 06:38.564 --> 06:39.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ADDICT WHO RELAPSED JUST SIX 06:39.866 --> 06:41.234 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WEEKS AGO WHILE UNDER OFFICER 06:41.234 --> 06:42.668 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% KELLI WATSON'’’S SUPERVISION. 06:42.668 --> 06:43.469 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> LET'’’S JUST DO A NORMAL 06:43.469 --> 06:44.170 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WALKTHROUGH. 06:44.170 --> 06:45.238 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: IN ARIZONA, A STATE 06:45.238 --> 06:46.372 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT HAS MANDATORY MINIMUM 06:46.372 --> 06:47.640 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SENTENCES, THAT HAS 06:47.640 --> 06:48.908 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TRADITIONALLY PUT A PERSON RIGHT 06:48.908 --> 06:49.842 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BACK IN JAIL. 06:49.842 --> 06:51.043 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> ALL RIGHT, LET'’’S DO A QUICK 06:51.043 --> 06:52.779 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BREATHALIZER, IF YOU DON'’’T MIND. 06:52.779 --> 06:53.946 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> I'’’VE NEVER NOT BEEN ARRESTED 06:53.946 --> 06:54.747 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% FOR SCREWING UP. 06:54.747 --> 06:55.415 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 06:55.415 --> 06:56.749 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IT'’’S KIND OF LIKE CLOCKWORK FOR 06:56.749 --> 06:57.216 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ME. 06:57.216 --> 06:59.819 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SO, I JUST EXPECTED THAT. 06:59.819 --> 07:01.087 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I WAS BLOWN AWAY WHEN SHE WALKED 07:01.087 --> 07:02.321 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AWAY AND I WASN'’’T IN THE BACK OF 07:02.321 --> 07:05.491 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HER CAR OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. 07:05.491 --> 07:06.626 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND THEN, I SAT THERE ALL NIGHT, 07:06.626 --> 07:07.794 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THINKING, "SHOULD I RUN? 07:07.794 --> 07:09.028 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SHOULD I RUN?" 07:09.028 --> 07:09.929 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% BUT I DIDN'’’T. 07:09.929 --> 07:10.663 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> Reporter: WHY DID YOU DECIDE 07:10.663 --> 07:12.932 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% NOT TO RUN? 07:12.932 --> 07:14.167 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> BECAUSE OF THE WAY KELLY 07:14.167 --> 07:15.802 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HANDLED IT. 07:15.802 --> 07:16.869 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I'’’VE DONE THIS SO MANY TIMES. 07:16.869 --> 07:17.770 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% LIKE, WHY CAN'’’T I JUST GET IT 07:17.770 --> 07:18.571 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RIGHT? 07:18.571 --> 07:19.906 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND IT'’’S SO FRUSTRATING. 07:19.906 --> 07:21.607 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND I WAS JUST, LIKE, "BUT SHE 07:21.607 --> 07:24.343 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DIDN'T SAY I'’’M GOING TO JAIL." 07:24.343 --> 07:25.978 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT'’’S MY MAIN GOAL RIGHT NOW, 07:25.978 --> 07:28.014 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% IS TO STAY OUT OF JAIL, LIKE, SO 07:28.014 --> 07:28.881 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I CAN BE A PART OF MY KIDS'’’ 07:28.881 --> 07:29.982 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% LIVES REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT 07:29.982 --> 07:31.784 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% LOOKS LIKE. 07:31.784 --> 07:33.486 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND BECAUSE SHE DIDN'’’T ARREST 07:33.486 --> 07:37.723 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ME, I DID THE THINKING TOOL THAT 07:37.723 --> 07:40.927 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SHE'’’S STARTED TO PUSH ON ME. 07:40.927 --> 07:42.128 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> IN THIS SITUATION, WHAT'’’S 07:42.128 --> 07:43.296 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SOMETHING... WHAT'S A NEW 07:43.296 --> 07:44.730 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THOUGHT YOU COULD HAVE HAD? 07:44.730 --> 07:45.631 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> DON'’’T REACH OUT ENOUGH. 07:45.631 --> 07:46.732 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND I NEED TO... I NEED TO START 07:46.732 --> 07:48.768 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DOING THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY 07:48.768 --> 07:50.002 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WHAT I'’’VE DONE IN THE PAST ISN'’’T 07:50.002 --> 07:50.837 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WORKING. 07:50.837 --> 07:51.537 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> WRITE IT DOWN. 07:51.537 --> 07:52.104 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% THAT'’’S GOOD. 07:52.104 --> 07:53.406 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ( \LAUGHS \) 07:53.406 --> 07:54.407 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> I'’’VE DONE SEVERAL OF THESE 07:54.407 --> 07:55.708 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% ACTIVITIES, AND I'’’VE ACTUALLY 07:55.708 --> 07:57.310 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% CAUGHT MYSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF, 07:57.310 --> 07:58.177 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% LIKE, IMPLEMENTING IT. 07:58.177 --> 07:59.745 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% SO, I KNOW THAT IT'’’S WORKING. 07:59.745 --> 08:01.614 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% >> I HOPE SHE FEELS THAT I DO 08:01.614 --> 08:03.716 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HAVE HER BEST INTEREST IN MIND 08:03.716 --> 08:05.084 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND THAT I'’’M NOT HERE TO LOCK 08:05.084 --> 08:06.619 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% HER UP AND... AND THROW AWAY THE 08:06.619 --> 08:07.553 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% KEY. 08:07.553 --> 08:08.721 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AND AS LONG AS SHE'’’S WILLING TO 08:08.721 --> 08:11.557 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WORK ON HERSELF, I'’’M WILLING TO 08:10.556 --> 08:11.591 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% WORK WITH HER, TOO.