>> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING I'M
JUDY WOODRUFF AND WELCOME TO THE
PBS NEWSHOUR SPECIAL
UNINTERRUPTED COVERAGE OF THE
FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF
THIS 2020 ELECTION.
IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP AND FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN WILL BE ON
STAGE AT THE CURB EVENT CENTER
IN BELL MONTH UNIVERSITY IN
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE.
JUST THIS WEEK THE DEBATE
COMMISSION MADE A CHANGE IN THE
DEBATE RULES.
ONE CANDIDATE'S MICROPHONE WILL
NOW BE MUTED WHILE HIS OPPONENT
DELIVERS AN INITIAL TWO MINUTE
LONG ANSWER AT THE START OF EACH
OF SIX TOPIC SEGMENTS.
THE TOPICS TONIGHT CHOSEN BY THE
MODERATOR ARE: FIGHTING
COVID-19.
AMERICAN FAMILIES.
RACE IN AMERICA.
CLIMATE CHANGE.
NATIONAL SECURITY.
AND LEADERSHIP.
THE FINAL DEBATE HAS IN THE PAST
FOCUSED ON FOREIGN POLICY, AND
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN COMPLAINED
ABOUT THE CHANGES MADE AS A
RESULT OF THE CANCELATION OF THE
SECOND DEBATE WHICH THE
COMMISSION DECIDED WOULD HAVE TO
BE DONE VIRTUALLY.
THIS DEBATE ON THE LATEST KAL
ENDER DATE IN RECENT HIS IT TREE
COMES AS THE CORONAVIRUS
INFECTION RATE IS AGAIN RISING
ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
AND AFTER THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF
CONTRACTED THE VIRUS THREE WEEKS
AGO.
THIS MATCHUP COMES AS EARLY
VOTING CONTINUES AND AT AN
HISTORIC PACE IN ALL 50 STATES
WITH MORE THAN 47 MILLION
AMERICANS HAVING ALREADY VOTED.
TONIGHT'S MODERATOR IS KRISTEN
WELKER OF NBC NEWS.
TO HER IN A MOMENT BUT JOINING
ME TONIGHT FOR OUR SPECIAL
COVERAGE ARE PBS NEWSHOUR WHITE
HOUSE CORRESPONDENT YAMICHE
ALCINDOR.
CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT LISA
DESJARDINS WHO IS COVERING THE
BIDEN CAMPAIGN, FOREIGN AFFAIRS
AND DEFENSE CORRESPONDENT NICK
SCHIFRIN AND SENIOR NATIONAL
CORRESPONDENT AMNA NAWAZ WILL BE
WATCHING THE DEBATE ALONG WITH
SEVERAL VOTERS LUNKED IN
VIRTUALLY FROM AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
PLUS AMY WALTER OF THE COOK
"POLITICO" REPORT, ALONG WITH
"WASHINGTON POST" CONTRIBUTING
COLUMNIST GARY ABERNATHY IN
OHIO, AND SINNED
YAIT-- SYNDICATED COLUMNIST
CYNTHIA TUCKER IN ALABAMA.
WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU, WE ARE SO
GLAD TO HAVE YOU WHERE US.
IN THE LITTLE BIT OF TIME WE
HAVE BEFORE WE GO TO THE DEBATE,
YAMISH ALCINDOR WHAT IS IT THAT
THE PRESIDENT HOPES TO
ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT.
>> WE CAN EXPECT ANOTHER ALL-OUT
BRAWL, HE WILL BE ACCUSING JOE
BIDEN MANY, MANY TIMES OF
CORRUPTION THROUGH HIS SON
HUNTER BIDEN.
THE PRESIDENT WILL ALSO BE
VIGOROUSLY DEFENDING HIS
RESPONSE TO THE CORONAVIRUS AS
WELL AS ATTACKING THE MODERATOR
WHICH HE HAS ALREADY STARTED TO
DO.
>> AND ALYSSA DESJARDINS QUICKLY
THE BIETDEN CAMPAIGN-- BIDEN
CAMPAIGN IN A FEW SECONDS, THEIR
GOAL.
>> THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S RECORD.
>> WE ARE CUTTING YOU SHORT IN
ORDER TO GO TO MODERATOR KRISTEN
WELKER, SHE IS ON STAGE.
SHE IS ABOUT TO INTRODUCE THE
CANDIDATES.
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN.
>> Welker: GOOD EVENING FROM
BELL MONTH UNIVERSITY IN
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE.
I'M KRISTEN WELKER OF NBC NEWS
AND I WELCOME YOU TO THE FINAL
2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN
PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP AND
FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.
TONIGHT'S DEBATE IS SPONSORED BY
THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATES.
ST CONDUCTED UNDER HEALTH AND
SAFETY PROTOCOLS DESIGNED BY THE
COMMISSION'S HEALTH SECURITY
ADVISOR.
THE AUDIENCE HERE IN THE HALL
HAS PROMISED TO REMAIN SILENT.
NO CHEERS, BOOS OR OTHER
INTERRUPTIONS EXCEPT RIGHT NOW
AS WE WELCOME TO THE STAGE
FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN
AND PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP.
(APPLAUSE).
>> Welker: AND I DO WANT TO
SAY A VERY GOOD EVENING TO BOTH
OF YOU.
THIS DEBATE WILL COVER SIX MAJOR
TOPICS.
AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH SECTION
EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE TWO
MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED TO ANSWER.
MY FIRST QUESTION, THE DEBATE
COMMISSION WILL THEN TURN ON
THEIR MICROPHONE ONLY WHEN IT IS
THEIR TURN TO ANSWER.
AND THE COMMISSION WILL TURN IT
OFF EXACTLY WHEN THE TWO MINUTES
HAVE EXPIRED.
AFTER THAT BOTH MICROPHONES WILL
REMAIN ON BUT ON BEHALF OF THE
VOTERS I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO
PLEASE KEEP ONE AT A TIME.
THE GOAL IS FOR YOU TO HEAR EACH
OTHER AND FOR THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE TO HEAR EVERY WORD OF
WHAT YOU BOTH HAVE TO SAY.
AND SO WITH THAT, IF YOU ARE
READY, LET'S START.
AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE FIGHT
AGAINST THE CORONAVIRUS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE FIRST
QUESTION IS FOR YOU.
THE COUNTRY IS HEADING INTO A
DANGEROUS NEW PHASE.
MORE THAN 40,000 AMERICANS ARE
IN THE HOSPITAL TONIGHT WITH
COVID, INCLUDING RECORD NUMBERS
HERE IN TENNESSEE.
AND SINCE THE TWO OF YOU LAST
SHARED A STAGE, 16,000 AMERICANS
HAVE DIED FROM COVID.
SO PLEASE BE SPECIFIC.
HOW WOULD YOU LEAD THE COUNTRY
DURING THIS NEXT STAGE OF THE
CORONAVIRUS CRISIS.
TWO MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED.
>> SO AS YOU KNOW, 2.2 MILLION
PEOPLE, MODELED OUT WERE
EXPECTED TO DIE.
WE CLOSED UP THE GREATEST
ECONOMY IN THE WORLD IN ORDER TO
FIGHT THIS HORRIBLE DISEASE THAT
CAME FROM CHINA.
IT IS A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC.
IT'S ALL OVER THE WORLD.
YOU SEE THE SPIKES IN EUROPE AND
MANY OTHER PLACES RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU NOTICED, THE MORTALITY
RATE IS DOWN 85%.
THE EXCESS MORTALITY RATE IS WAY
DOWN AND MUCH LOWER THAN ALMOST
ANY OTHER COUNTRY.
AND WE'RE FIGHTING IT AND WE'RE
FIGHTING IT HARD.
THERE IS A SPIKE.
THERE WAS A SPIKE IN FLORIDA,
AND IT'S NOW GONE.
THERE WAS A VERY BIG SPIKE IN
TEXAS, IT'S NOW GONE.
THERE WAS A VERY BIG SPIKE IN
ARIZONA, IT'S NOW GONE.
AND THERE WERE SOME SPIKES AND
SURGES IN OTHER PLACES.
THEY WILL SOON BE GONE.
WE HAVE A VACCINE THAT'S COMING.
IT'S READY.
IT'S GOING TO BE ANNOUNCED
WITHIN WEEKS.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE DELIVERED.
WE HAVE OPERATION WARP SPEED
WHICH IS THE, THE MILITARY IS
GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THE VACCINE.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE THAT, I WAS IN THE
HOSPITAL.
I HAD IT.
AND I GOT BETTER.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAD
SOMETHING THAT THEY GAVE ME, A
THERAPEUTIC, I GUESS THEY WOULD
CALL IT, SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY
IT WAS A CURE BUT I WAS IN FOR A
SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND I GOT
BETTER VERY FAST OR I WOULDN'T
BE HERE TONIGHT.
AND NOW THEY SAY I'M IMMUNE,
WHETHER IN FOUR MONTHS OR A
LIFETIME, NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE
TO SAY THAT, BUT I'M IMMUNE.
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING
BETTER.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT IS A
WORLDWIDE PROBLEM.
THIS IS A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM.
BUT I HAVE BEEN CONGRATULATED BY
THE HEADS OF MANY COUNTRIES ON
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO
WITH THE, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF
GOGGLES AND MASKS AND GOWNS AND
EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IN
PARTICULAR VENTILATORS.
WE ARE NOW MAKING VENTILATORS
ALL OVER THE WORLD.
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS A MONTH,
DISTRIBUTING THEM ALL OVER THE
WORLD.
IT WILL GO AWAY.
AND AS I SAY, WE'RE ROUNDING THE
TURN, WE'RE ROUNDING THE CORNER.
IT'S GOING AWAY.
>> Welker: OKAY, FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN, TO YOU, HOW
WOULD YOU LEAD THE COUNTRY OUT
OF THIS CRISIS, YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED.
>> 220,000 AMERICANS DEAD.
IF YOU HEAR NOTHING ELSE I SAY
TONIGHT TO THIS, ANYONE WHO IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT TAKING
CONTROL, IN FACT, NOT SAYING, I
TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY I
SNISHALLY.
ANYONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
THAT MANY DEATHS SHOULD NOT
REMAIN AS PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE
ARE THOUSAND A THOUSAND DEATHS A
DAY NOW.
A THOUSAND DEATHS A DAY.
AND THERE ARE OVER 70,000 NEW
CASES PER DAY.
COMPARED TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN
EUROPE AS THE NEW ENGLAND
MEDICAL JOURNAL SAID, THEY'RE
STARTING FROM A VERY LOW RATE.
WE'RE STARTING FROM A VERY HIGH
RATE.
THE EXPECTATION IS WE'LL HAVE
ANOTHER 200,000 AMERICANS DEAD
BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE
YEAR.
WE JUST WORE THESE MASKS, THE
PRESIDENT'S OWN ADVISOR TOLD
HIM, WE COULD SAVE 100,000
LIVES.
AND WE'RE IN A CIRCUMSTANCES
WHERE THE PRESIDENT THUS FAR
STILL HAS NO PLAN.
NO EXENSIVE PLAN.
WHAT I WOULD DO IS MAKE SURE WE
HAVE EVERYONE ENCOURAGED TO WEAR
A MASK ALL THE TIME.
I WOULD MAKE SURE WE MOVE IN THE
DIRECTION OF RAPID TESTING,
INVESTING IN RAPID TESTING.
I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE SET UP
NATIONAL STANDARDS OF HOW TO
OPEN UP SCHOOLS AND OPEN UP
BUSINESSES SO THEY CAN BE SAFE
AND GIVE THEM THE WHEREWITHAL,
THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO BE
ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE'RE IN A SITUATION NOW WHERE
THE NEW ENGLAND MEDICAL JOURNAL,
ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS JOURNALS
IN THE WHOLE WORLD SAID FOR THE
FIRST TIME EVER THAT THE WAY
THIS PRESIDENT HAS RESPONDED TO
THIS CRISIS HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY
TRAGIC.
AND SO FOLKS, I WILL TAKE CARE
OF THIS.
I WILL END THIS.
I WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PLAN.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP, I
WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOWUP WITH YOU
AND YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU TALKED ABOUT TAKING A
THERAPEUTIC.
I ASSUME YOU ARE REFERENCING
REGENERON, YOU ALSO SAID A
VACCINE WILL BE COMING WITHIN
WEEKS.
>> YES.
>> Welker: IS THAT A
GUARANTEE.
>> NO, IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE,
BUT IT WILL BE BY THE END OF THE
YEAR, BUT I THINK IT HAS A GOOD
CHANCE, TWO COMPANIES I THINK
WITHIN A MATTER OF WEEKS AND IT
WILL BE DRUBTED VERY QUICKLY.
>> Welker: YOU CAN TELL WHICH
JOHN.
>> JOHNSON & JOHNSON, MODERN IS
DOING WELL, PFIZER IS DOING VERY
WELL, AND WE HAVE NUMEROUS
OTHERS.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE OTHERS THAT WE
ARE WORKING ON VERY CLOSELY WITH
OTHER COUNTRIES IN PARTICULAR,
EUROPE.
>> Welker: LET ME FOLLOWUP
WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS IS NEW
INFORMATION.
YOU HAVE SAID A VACCINE IS
COMING SOON, WITHIN WEEKS NOW,
YOUR OWN OFFICIALS SAY IT COULD
TAKE WELL INTO 2021, FOR THE
EARLIEST FOR ENOUGH AMERICANS TO
GET VACCINATED AND EVEN THEN
THEY SAY THE COUNTRY WILL BE
WEARING MASKS AND DOES TANSING
INTO 2022, IS YOUR TIME LINE
REALISTIC.
>> I THINK MY TIME LINE WILL BE
MORE ACCURATE, I DON'T KNOW THAT
THEY ARE COUNTING ON THE
MILITARY THE WAY I DO.
WE HAVE OUR GENERALS LINED UP,
ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT IS THE
HEAD OF LOGISTICS.
AND THIS IS A VERY EASY
DISTRIBUTION FOR HIM, HE IS
READY TO GO AS SOON AS WE HAVE
THE VACCINE, WE EXPECT TO HAVE A
HUNDRED MILLION VIELS.
AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE VACCINE,
HE'S READY TO GO.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN, YOUR REACTION, AND JUST
40% OF AMERICANS SAY THEY WOULD
DEFINITELY AGREE TO TAKE THE
CORONAVIRUS VACCINE IF IT WAS
APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
WHAT STEPS WOULD YOU TAKE TO
GIVE AMERICANS CONFIDENCE IN A
VACCINE IF IT WERE APPROVED.
>> MAKE SURE IT IS TOTALLY
TRANSPARENT.
HAVE THE SCIENCE, WE'LL SEE IT,
KNOW IT, LOOK AT IT, GO THROUGH
ALL THE PROCESSES.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS THE SAME
FELLOW WHO TOLD YOU THIS IS
GOING TO END BY EASTER LAST
TIME.
THIS IS THE SAME FELLA WHO TOLD
YOU THAT DON'T WORRY, WE'RE
GOING TO END THIS BY THE SUMMER.
WE ARE ABOUT TO GO INTO A DARK
WINTER.
A DARK WINTER.
AND HE HAS NO CLEAR PLAN AND
THERE'S NO PROSPECT THAT THERE
IS GOING TO BE A VACCINE
AVAILABLE FOR THE MAJORITY OF
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE THE
MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,
YOUR REACTION, HE SAYS YOU HAVE
IN PLAN.
>> I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE A
DARK WINTER AT ALL.
WE ARE OPENING UP OUR COUNTRY,
WE HAVE LEARNED AND STUDIED AND
UNDERSTAND THE DISEASE WHICH WE
DIDN'T AT THE BEGINNING.
WHEN I CLOSED AND BANNED CHINA
FROM COMING IN, HEAVILY
INFECTED, AND THEN ULTIMATELY
EUROPE, BUT CHINA WAS IN
JANUARY, MONTHS LATER HE WAS
SAYING I WAS XENOPHOBIC.
I DID IT TOO SOON.
YOU NOW HE IS SAYING OH, I
SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, MOVED
QUICK ARE.
BUT HE DIDN'T MOVE QUICKER.
HE WAS MONTHS BEHIND ME.
MANY MONTHS BEHIND ME.
AND FRANKLY, HE RAN THE H1N1
SWINE FLU AND IT WAS A TOTAL
DISASTER, FAR LESS LETHAL BUT IT
WAS A TOTAL DISASTER.
HAD THAT HAD THIS KIND OF
NUMBERS, 700,000 WOULD BE DEAD
RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT IS A FAR LESS
LELTAL-- LETHAL DISEASE.
LOOK, HIS OWN PERSON WHO RAN
THAT FOR HIM, WHO AS YOU KNOW
WAS HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, SAID IT
WAS CATASTROPHIC.
IT WAS HORRIBLE.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE
DOING.
NOW HE COMES UP AND HE TELLS US
HOW TO DO THIS.
ALSO EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID
ABOUT THE WAY EVERY SINGLE MOVE
THAT HE SAID WE SHOULD MAKE,
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
WE HAVE DONE ALL OF IT.
BUT HE WAS WAY BEHIND US.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN, YOUR RESPONSE.
>> MY RESPONSE IS HE IS
XENOPHOBIC BUT NOT BECAUSE HE
SHUT DOWN ACCESS FROM CHINA.
AND HE DID IT LATE, AFTER 40
COUNTRIES HAD ALREADY DONE THAT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT HE
DID, HE MADE SURE THAT WE HAD 44
PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THERE, IN
CHINA TRYING TO GET TO WUHAN TO
DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY THE
SOURCE WAS.
WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT SAY IN
JANUARY.
HE SAID NO, HE SAID THIS IS-- HE
WAS BEING TRANSPARENT.
THE PRESIDENT OF CHEUNA IS BLG
TRANSPARENT, WE OWE HIM A DEBT
OF GRATITUDE.
WE HAVE TO THANK HIM.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE
STARTED TALKING ABOUT USING THE
DEFENSE ACT TO MAKE SURE WE GO
OUT AND GET WHATEVER IS NEEDED
OUT THERE TO PROTECT PEOPLE.
AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THIS, HE
HAS-- NOTHING HE DID VIRTUALLY,
NOTHING, AND THEN HE GETS OUT OF
THE HOSPITAL AND HE TALKS ABOUT
THIS IS, DON'T WORRY.
IT'S ALL GOING TO BE OVER SOON.
COME ON!
THERE'S NOT ANOTHER SERIOUS
SCIENTIST IN THE WORLD WHO
THINKS IT IS GOING TO BE OVER
SOON.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> I DIDN'T SAY OVER SOON, I
SAID WE ARE LEARNING TO LIVE IT
WITH IT, WE CAN'T LOCK OURSELVES
UP IN A BASEMENT LIKE JOE DOES.
HE HAS THE ABILITY TO LOCK
HIMSELF UP.
I DON'T KNOW, HE HAS OBVIOUSLY
MADE A LOT OF MONEY SOME PLACE.
BUT HE HAS THIS THING ABOUT
LIVING IN A BASEMENT.
PEOPLE CAN'T DO THAT.
BY THE WAY, I AS THE PRESIDENT
COULDN'T DO THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO PUT MYSELF IN
THE BASEMENT OR IN A BEAUTIFUL
ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND GO
AWAY FOR A YEAR AND A HALF UNTIL
IT DISAPPEARS.
I CAN'T DO THAT.
AND KRISTEN, EVERY MEETING I
HAVE, AND I MEET A LOT OF
FAMILIES INCLUDING GOLD STAR
FAMILIES AND MILITARY FAMILIES,
EVERY MEETING I HAD, AND I HAD
TO MEET THEM, I HAD TO, WOULD BE
HORRIBLE TO HAVE CANCELLED
EVERYTHING.
I SAID YOU KNOW, THIS IS
DANGEROUS.
AND YOU CATCH IT.
AND YOU KNOW, I CAUGHT IT I
LEARNED A LOT.
I LEARNED A LOT.
GREAT DOCTORS, GREAT HOSPITALS.
AND NOW I RECOVERED.
99.9 OF YOUNG PEOPLE RECOVER.
99 PERCENT OF PEOPLE RECOVER.
WE HAVE TO RECOVER.
WE CAN'T CLOSE UP OUR NATION.
WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR SCHOOLS AND
WE CAN'T CLOSE UP OUR NATION, OR
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A
NATION.
>> Welker: AN OF COURSE THE
CDC HAS SAID YOUNG PEOPLE CAN
GET SICK WITH COVID-19 AND CAN
PASS IT.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, I WANT TO
TALK BROADLY ABOUT STRATEGY.
>> MAY I RESPOND TO THAT.
>> Welker: 30 SECONDS.
>> NUMBER ONE, HE SAYS THAT
WE'RE LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT.
PEOPLE ARE LEARNING TO DIE WITH
IT.
YOU FOLKS HOME WILL HAVE AN
EMPTY CHAIR AT THE KICH BE TABLE
THIS MORNING, THAT MAN OR WIFE
GOING TO BED TONIGHT AND
REACHING OVER TO TRY AND TOUCH
THAWR, OUT OF HABIT WHERE THEIR
WIFE OR HUSBAND WAS IS GONE.
LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT, COME
ON.
WE'RE DYING WITH IT.
BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER SAID, HE
NEVER SAID IT IS DANGEROUS.
WHEN IS THE LAST TIME, IS IT
REALLY DANGEROUS STILL?
YOU TELL THE PEOPLE IT'S DANG
RAO-- DNG ROUSE NOW, WHAT SHOULD
WE DO ABOUT THE DANGERMENT AND
YOU SAY I TAKE NO
RESPONSIBILITY.
>> Welker: LET ME TALK
ABOUT.
>> EXCUSE ME, I TAKE FULL
RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S A NOT MY FAULT THAT IT CAME
HERE.
IT'S CHINA'S FAULT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT
JOE'S FAULT THAT IT CAME HERE
EITHER.
IT'S CHINA'S FAULT.
THEY KEPT IT FROM GOING INTO THE
REST OF CHINA FOR THE MOST PART
BUT THEY DIDN'T KEEP IT FROM
COMING OUT TO THE WORLD
INCLUDING EUROPE AND OURSELVES.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN.
>> THE FACT IS THAT WHEN WE KNEW
IT WAS COMING, WHEN IT HIT, WHAT
HAPPENED?
WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT SAY?
HE SAID DON'T WORRY.
IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.
BE GONE BY EASTER.
DON'T WORRY.
THE WARM WEATHER, DON'T WORRY,
MAYBE INJECT BLEACH, HE SAID HE
WAS KIDDING WHEN HE SAID THAT,
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT IT
WAS SERIOUS.
A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS THE
PRESIDENT HAS SAID EVEN TODAY HE
THINKS WE ARE IN CONTROL.
WE'RE ABOUT TO LOSE 200,000 MORE
PEOPLE.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> LOOK, PERHAPS JUST TO FINISH
THIS, I WAS KIDDING ON THAT, BUT
JUST TO FUNNISH THIS, WHEN I
CLOSED, HE SAID I SHOULDN'T HAVE
CLOSED.
AND THAT WENT ON FOR MONTHS.
NANCY PELOSI SAID THE SAME
THING.
SHE WAS DANCING ON THE STREETS
IN CHINATOWN AND SAN FRANCISCO.
BUT WHEN I CLOSED, HE SAID THIS
IS A TERRIBLE THING, YOU ARE
XENOPHOBE YOU CAN.
I THINK HE CALLED ME RACIST,
EVEN, BECAUSE I WAS CLOSING IT
TO CHINA.
NOW HE SAYS I SHOULD HAVE CLOSED
IT EARLIER.
JOE, IT DOESN'T WORK.
>> I DIDN'T SAY OORT EITHER OF
THOSE THINGS.
>> YOU CERTAINLY DID.
>> I TALKED ABOUT XENOPHOBIA IN
A DIFFERENT CONTEXT IT WASN'T
ABOUT CLOSING THE BORDER TO
CHINESE COMING TO THE UNITED
STATES.
>> Welker: ALL RIGHT, WANT TO
TALK ABOUT BOTH OF YOUR
DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.
>> HE THOUGHT I SHOULDN'T HAVE
CLOSED THE BORDER.
THAT IS OBVIOUS.
>> Welker: DO YOU WANT TO
RESPOND TO THAT QUICKLY, VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN.
>> NO.
>> Welker: LET'S TALK ABOUT
YOUR DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TOWARD
DEALING WITH THIS.
MR. VICE PRESIDENT YOU SUGGESTED
YOU WOULD SUPPORT NEW SHUT DOWNS
IF SCIENTISTS RECOMMENDED IT.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS WHO
ARE FEARFUL THE COST OF
SHUTDOWNS, THE IMPACT ON THE
ECONOMY, THE HIGHER RISK OF
HUNGER, DEPRESSION, DOMESTIC AND
SUBSTANCE ABUSE OUTWEIGHS THE
RISK OF EXPOSURE TO THE VIRUS.
>> WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I WILL
SHUT DOWN THE VIRUS, NOT THE
COUNTRY IT IS HIS INEP TEUD THAT
CAUSED THE COUNTRY TO HAVE TO
SHUT DOWN IN LARGE PART, WHY
BUSINESSES HAVE GONE UNDER, WHY
SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED, WHY SO MAN
PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR LIVING,
AND WHY THEY ARE CONCERNED.
THOSE OTHER CONCERNS ARE REAL.
THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
INSTEAD OF IN A SAND TRP IN HIS
GOLF COURSE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
NSHTING WITH NANCY PELOSI AND
THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ACTS
THEY WERE PASSING FOR BILLIONS
OF DOLLARS TO MAWK SURE PEOPLE
HAD THE CAPACITY.
>> Welker: YOU HAVEN'T RULED
OUT MORE SHUTDOWNS?
>> WELL, NO, I'M NOT SHUTTING
DOWN TODAY BUT LOOK, WE NEED
STANDARDS.
THE STANDARD IS IF YOU HAVE A
REPRODUCTION RATE IN A COMMUNITY
THAT IS ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL,
EVERYBODY SAYS SLOW UP.
MORE SOCIAL DISTANCING.
DO NOT OPEN BARS AND DO NOT OPEN
GYMNASIUMS.
DO NOT OPEN UNTIL YOU GET THIS
UNDER CONTROL, UNDER MORE
CONTROL.
BUT WHEN YOU DO OPEN, GIVE THE
PEOPLE THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE
TO OPEN AND HAVE THE CAPACITY TO
DO IT SAFELY.
FOR EXAMPLE, SCHOOLS.
SCHOOLS, THEY NEED A LOT OF
MONEY TO OPEN.
THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH
VENTILATION SYSTEMS, THEY NEED
TO DEAL WITH SMALLER CLASSES,
MORE TEACHERS, MORE PODS.
HE REFUSED TO SUPPORT THAT
MONEY, OR AT LEAST UP TO NOW.
>> Welker: LET'S TALK ABOUT
SCHOOLS.
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO RESPOND,
DO YOU MIND.
>> Welker: MEES PLEASE AND I
HAVE I A FOLLOWUP.
>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.
ALL HE DOES ST TALK ABOUT
SHUTDOWNS.
BUT FORGET ABOUT HIM.
HIS DEMOCRAT GOVERNORS CUOMO IN
NEW YORK, YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS
GOING ON IN CALIFORNIA, YOU LOOK
AT PENNSYLVANIA, NORTH CAROLINA,
DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS ALL, THEY
ARE SHUT DOWN SO TIGHT AND
THEY'RE DYING.
THEY'RE DYING.
AND HE SUPPORTS ALL THESE
PEOPLE.
ALL HE TALKS ABOUT IS SHUTDOWNS,
NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT
DOWN.
AND WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR SCHOOLS.
AND AS AN EXAMPLE, I HAVE A
YOUNG SON, HE ALSO TESTED
POSITIVE.
BY THE TIME I SPOKE TO THE
DOCTOR THE SECOND TIME HE WAS
FINE.
IT JUST WENT AWAY.
YOUNG PEOPLE, I GUESS IT'S THEIR
IMMUNE SYSTEM.
>> Welker: LET ME FOLLOW UP
WITH YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU
DEMANDED SCHOOLS OPEN IN PERSON
AND INSIST THEY CAN DO IT SAFELY
BUT YESTERDAY BOSTON BECAME THE
LATEST SYSTEM TO MOVE ITS PUBLIC
SCHOOL SYSTEM ENTIRELY ONLINE
AFTER CORONAVIRUS SPIKED.
WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO PARENTS
WHO WORRY THAT SENDING THEIR
CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WILL ENDANGER
NOT ONLY THEIR KIDS BUT ALSO
THEIR TEACHERS AND FAMILIES.
>> I WANT TO EP O THE SCHOOLS.
THE TRANSMITTAL RATE TO THE
TEACHERS IS VERY SMALL.
BUT I WANT TO OPEN THE SCHOOLS.
WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR COUNTRY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A DRI
COUNTRY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
WE CAN'T KEEP THIS COUNTRY
CLOSED.
THIS IS A MASSIVE COUNTRY, WITH
A MASSIVE ECONOMY.
PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS.
THEY'RE COMMITTING SUICIDE.
THERE'S DEPRESSION, ALCOHOL,
DRUGS AT A LEVEL THAT NOBODY HAS
EVER SEEN BEFORE.
THERE'S ABUSE, TREMENDOUS ABUSE.
WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR COUNTRY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT OFTEN.
THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE THAN
THE PROBLEM ITSELF.
AND THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.
AND HE WANTS TO CLOSE DOWN, HE
WILL CLOSE DOWN THE COUNTRY IF
ONE PERSON IN OUR MASSIVE
BUREAUCRACY SAYS WE SHOULD CLOSE
IT DOWN.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN YOUR RESPONSE.
>> SIMPLY NOT TRUE, WE OUGHT TO
BE ABLE TO WALK AND CHEW GUM AT
THE SAME TIME.
WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY
OPEN, AND THEY NEED RESOURCES TO
OPEN.
YOU THEED TO BE ABLE TO, FOR
EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO
OPEN A BUSINESS, HAVE SOCIAL
DISTANCING IN THE BUSINESS.
YOU NEED TO HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A
RESTAURANT, YOU NEED TO HAVE
PLEXIGLASS PROVIDERS SO PEOPLE
CANNOT INFECT ONE ANOTHER.
YOU NEED TO BE IN A POSITION
WHERE YOU CAN TAKE TESTING
RAPIDLY AND KNOW WHETHER A
PERSON IS, IN FACT, INFECTED.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRACE.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE
ALL THE RESOURCES THAT ARE
NEEDED TO DO THIS.
AND THAT IS NOT INCONSISTENT
WITH SAYING THAT WHAT WE ARE
GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN
OPEN SAFELY.
AND BY THE WAY, ALL YOU YOU
TEACHERS OUT THERE, NOT THAT
MANY OF YOU ARE GOING TO DIE, SO
DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, DON'T
WORRY ABOUT IT, COME ON.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP LET
ME FOLLOW UP.
>> BY THE WAY I WILL SAY THIS,
IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT WHAT HAS
HAPPENED TO NEW YORK, IT IS A
GHOST TOWN.
ST A GHOST TOWN.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
PLEXIGLASS, THESE ARE
RESTAURANTS THAT ARE DYING.
THESE ARE BUSINESSES WITH NO
MONEY.
PUTTING PLEXIGLASS IS
UNBELIEVABLY EXPENSIVE.
AND IT'S NOT THE ANSWER.
I MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO SIT
THERE IN A CUBIC EL WRAPPED
AROUND WITH PLASTIC.
THESE ARE BUSINESSES THAT ARE
DYING, JOE.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO PEOPLE.
YOU JUST CAN'T.
TAKE A LOOK AT NEW YORK AND WHAT
HAS HAPPENED TO MY WONDERFUL
CITY.
FOR SO MANY YEARED A LOVED IT,
IT IS VIBRANT IT IS DYING.
EVERYONE IS LEAVING NEW YORK.
>> TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT NEW YORK
HAS DONE IN TERMS OF TURNING THE
CURVE DOWN IN TERMS OF THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE DYING.
AND I DON'T LOOK AT THIS IN THE
TERMS OF THE WAY HE DOES.
BLUE STATES AND RED STATES.
THEY ARE ALL THE UNITED STATES.
AND LOOK AT THE STATES THAT ARE
HAVING SUCH A SPIKE IN THE
CORONAVIRUS.
THEY ARE THE RED STATES.
THEY ARE THE STATES IN THE
MIDWEST, THEY ARE THE STATES IN
THE UPPER MIDWEST.
THAT IS WHERE THE SPIKE IS
OCCURRING SIGNIFICANTLY.
BUT THEY ARE ALL AMERICANS.
THEY ARE ALL AMERICANS.
AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS SAY
WEAR THESE MASKSK NUMBER ONE.
MAKE SURE WE GET THE HELP THAT
THE BUSINESSES NEED, THAT HAS
MONEY ALREADY PASSED TO DO THAT.
IT'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE
BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER, AND
NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.
>> LISTEN, NEW YORK HAS LOST
MORE THAN 40,000 PEOPLE, 11,000
PEOPLE IN NURSING HOMES, WHEN
YOU SAY SPIKE-- TALK A LOOK AT
WHAT IS HAPPENS ING IN
PENNSYLVANIA.
WHERE THEY'VE HAD IT CLOSED.
TALK A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING
WITH YOUR FRIEND IN MITCH MUCH
WHERE HER HUSBAND IS THE ONLY
ONE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING.
IT HAS BEEN LUKE A PRISON.
NOW IT WAS JUST RULED
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
TALK A LOOK AT NORTH CAROLINA.
THEY'RE HAVING SPIKES.
AN THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED AND THEY
ARE GETTING KILLED FINANCIALLY.
WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN, JOE.
YOU CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN.
WE HAVE TO OPEN UP.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THE DISEASE.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR SENIORS.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR ELDERLY.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT ESPECIALLY
OUR SENIORS WITH HEART PROBLEMS
AND DIABETES PROBLEMS.
AND WE WILL PROTECT THEM.
WE HAVE THE BEST TESTING IN THE
WORLD BY FAR.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SO MANY
CASES.
>> Welker: LET MAY FOLLOW UP
WITH YOU BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO
OUR NEXT SECTION, PRESIDENT
TRUMP.
THIS WEEK YOU CALLED DR. ANTHONY
FAUCI THE NATION'S BEST
INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERT A
DISASTER, AN OTHER MEDICAL
EXPERTS AS QUOTE IDIOTS.
IF YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO
THEM, WHO ARE YOU LISTENING TO.
>> I AM LISTENING IT ALL OF THEM
INCLUDING ANTHONY.
I DO GET A LOT WELL WITH ALL
THONNEE BUT HE DID SAY DON'T
WEAR MASKS.
HE DID SAY, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS
NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
I THINK HE SAY DEMOCRAT BUT THAT
IS OKAY.
HE SAWED THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE
A PROBLEM.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A
PROBLEM AT ALL.
WHEN JOE SAYS THAT I SAID
ANTHONY FAUCI SAID, AND OTHERS,
AND MANY OTHERS, AND I'M NOT
KNOCKING HIM, NOBODY KNEW.
LOOK, NOBODY KNEW WHAT THIS
THING WAS.
NOBODY KNEW WHERE IT WAS COMING
FROM, WHAT IT WAS.
WE'VE LEARNED A LOT.
BUT ANTHONY SAID DON'T WEAR A
MASK.
NOW HE WANTS TO WEAR MASKS.
ANTHONY ALSO SAID IF YOU LOOK
BACK, EXACT WORDS, HERE IS HIS
EXACT WORDS, THIS IS NO PROBLEM.
THIS WILL GO AWAY SOON, SO HE IS
ALLOWED TO MAKE MISTAKES.
HE HAPPENS TO BE A GOOD PERSON.
>> Welker: YOUR RESPONSE
QUICKLY AND WE WILL MOVE ON.
>> MY RESPONSE IS THAT THINK
ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW IN
JANUARY AND DIDN'T TELL THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
HE WAS TOLD THIS WAS A SERIOUS
VIRUS THAT SPREAD IN THE AIR.
AND IT WAS MUCH WORSE THAN, MUCH
WORSE THAN THE FLU.
HE WENT ON RECORD AND SAID THO
ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, RECORDED
THAT IN FACT HE KNEW HOW
DANGEROUS IT WAS YOU ABOUT HE
DIDN'T WANT TO TELL US.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO TELL US
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT US TO
PANIC.
THE AMERICANS DON'T PANIC.
HE PAN YOU WERED-- PANICKED.
BUT GUESS WHAT, IN THE MEAN TIME
WE FIND OUT IN "THE NEW YORK
TIMES" THE OTHER DAY THAT IN
FACT HIS FOLKS WENT TO WALL
STREET AND SAID THIS IS A REALLY
DANG WROWS-- DANGEROUS THUNKING
AND THE MEMO OUT OF THAT, FROM
SOME OF THE BROKER FELL SHORT
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET MOVING IT
IS A DANGEROUS PROBLEM.
>> Welker: I WILL GIVE YOU 30
SECONDS TO RESPOND.
>> I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY WENT
TO WALL STREET, YOU ARE THE ONE
THAT TALKS ALL THE MONEY FROM
WALL STREET, I DON'T TAKE IT.
YOU HAVE RAISED A LOT OF MONEY.
TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY, AND
EVERY TIME YOU RAISE MONEY,
DEALS ARE MADE.
I COULD RAISE SO MUCH MORE
MONEY.
AS PRESIDENT AND AS SOMEBODY
THAT KNOWS MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE,
I COULD CALL THE HEADS OF WALL
STREET, THE HEADS OF EVERY
COMPANY IN AMERICA.
I WOULD BLOW AWAY EVERY RECORD
BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT
BECAUSE IT PUTS ME IN A BAD
POSITION.
AND THEN YOU BRING UP WALL
STREET?
YOU SHOULDN'T BE BRINGING UP
WALL STREET BECAUSE YOU ARE THE
ONE THAT TALKS THE MONEY FROM
WALL STREET, NOT ME.
I COULD BLOW AWAY YOUR RECORD,
LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE.
HE DON'T NEED MONEY, WE HAVE
PLENTY OF MONEY IN FACT WE BEAT
HILLARY CLINTON WITH A TINY
FRACTION OF THE MONEY SHE WAS
ABLE, SO DON'T TELL ME.
>> AVERAGE CONTRIBUTION, $43.
>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
ON TO OUR NEXT SECTION WHICH IS
NATIONAL SECURITY AND I DO WANT
TO START WITH THE SECURITY OF
OUR ELECTIONS AND SOME BREAKING
NEWS FROM OVERNIGHT, JUST LAST
NIGHT INTELLIGENCE KEMPTION
CONFIRMED RUSSIA AND IRAN ARE
WORKING TO INFLUENCE THIS
ELECTION.
BOTH COUNTRIES HAVE OBTAINED
U.S. VOTER REASON STRAITION
INFORMATION, THESE OFFICIALS
SAY, AND IRAN SENT INTIMIDATING
MESSAGES TO FLORIDA VOTERS.
THIS QUESTION GOES TO YOU
MR. VICE PRESIDENT, WHAT WOULD
YOU DO TO PUT AN END TO THIS
THREAT.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES
UNINTERRUPTED.
>> I MADE IT CLEAR AND I ASKED
EVERYONE ELSE TO TAKE THE
PLEDGE.
I MADE IT CLEAR THAT ANY
COUNTRY, NO MATTER WHO IT IS
THAT INTERFERES IN AMERICAN
ELECTIONS WILL PAY A PRICE.
THEY WILL PAY A PRICE.
IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY CLEAR,
THIS ELECTION.
I WON'T EVEN GET INTO THE LAST
ONE, THIS ELECTION THAT RUSSIA
HAS BEEN INVOLVED.
CHINA HAS BEEN INVOLVED TO SOME
DEGREE AND NOW WE LEARN THAT
IRAN IS INVOLVED.
THEY WILL PAY A PRICE, IF I'M
ELECTED.
THEY'RE INTERFERES WITH AMERICAN
SOVEREIGNTY, THAT IS WHAT GO
OG-- GOING ON, INTERFERES WITH
AMERICAN SOVEREIGN TEE.
TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE I
DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT SPOKE
TO PUTIN ABOUT IT, I DON'T THINK
HE SAID A WORD, I DON'T KNOW WHY
HE HASN'T SAID A WORD TO PUTIN
ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE HAS
RECENTLY SAID IF ANYTHING TO THE
IRANIANS.
MY GUESS IS HE WOULD PROBABLY BE
MORE OUTSPOKEN WITH REGARD TO
THE IRANIANS AM BUT THE POINT IS
THIS, FOLKS, WE ARE IN A
SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE FOREIGN
COMPANIES, COUNTRIES TRYING TO
INTERFERE IN THE OUTCOME OF OUR
ELECTION.
HIS OWN NATIONAL SECURITY
ADVISOR TOLD HIM THAT WHAT IS
HAPPENING WITH HIS BUDDY, WELL,
I WILL, HIS BUDDY RUDY GIULIANI,
HE IS BEING USED AS A RUSSIAN
PAWN.
HE'S BEING FED INFORMATION THAT
IS RUSSIAN-- THAT IS NOT TRUE.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS, NOTHING
HAPPENS.
AND THEN YOU FIND OUT THAT
EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON HERE
ABOUT RUSSIA IS WANTING TO MAKE
SURE THAT I DO NOT GET ELECTED
THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES BECAUSE THEY KNOW I KNOW
THEM.
AND THEY KNOW ME.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS
PRESIDENT IS UNWILLING TO TAKE
ON PUTIN WHEN HE IS ACTUALLY
PAYING BOWNTEES TO KILL AMERICAN
SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN.
WHEN HE IS ENGAGED IN ACTIVITIES
THAT ARE TRYING TO DESTABILIZE
ALL OF NATO.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHY HE DOESN'T DO
IT, BUT IT'S WORTH ASKING THE
QUESTION, WHY ISN'T THAT BEING
DONE.
ANY COUNTRY THAT INTERFERES WITH
US WILL, IN FACT, PAY A PRICE
BECAUSE THEY ARE AFFECTING OUR
SOVEREIGNTY.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,
SAME QUESTION TO YOU, LET ME ASK
THE QUESTION, WILL YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES TO RESPOND, FOR TWO
ELECTIONS IN A ROW NOW THERE HAS
BEEN SUBSTANTIAL INTERFERENCE
FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARIES, WHAT
WOULD YOU DO IN YOUR NEXT TERM
TO PUT AN END TO IT.
>> LET ME RESPOND TO THE FURS
PART JOE GOT 3.5 MILLION FROM
RUSSIA AND IT CAME THROUGH PUTIN
BECAUSE HE WAS VERY FRIENDLY
WITH THE FORMER MAYOR OF MOSCOW.
AND IT WAS THE MAWR OF MOSCOW'S
WIFE AND HE GOT 3.5 MILLION,
YOUR FAMILY GOT 3.5 MILLION.
AND YOU KNOW SOME DAY YOU WILL
HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY DID YOU GET
3.5, I FEVER GOT ANY MONEY FROM
RUSSIA.
I DON'T GET MONEY FROM RUSSIA.
NOW ABOUT YOUR THING LAST NIGHT,
I KNEW ALL ABOUT THAT.
AND THROUGH JOHN WHO, JOHN ROT
CLIFFE, HE SAID THE ONE THING
THAT IS COMMON TO BOTH OF THEM,
THEY BOTH WANT YOU TO LOSE.
BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NOBODY
TOUGHER TO RUSSIA BETWEEN THE
SANCTIONS.
NOBODY TOUGHER THAN ME ON
RUSSIA, BETWEEN THE SANCTIONS,
BETWEEN ALL OF WHAT I HAVE DONE
WITH NATO.
YOU FOE I HAVE THE NATIONAL OWE
COUNTRIES IT TO PUT UP AN EXTRA
130 BILLION GOING TO 420 BILLION
A YEAR.
THAT IS TO GUARD AGAINST RUSSIA.
I SOLD, WHILE HE WAS SELLING
PILLOWS AND SHEETS, I SOLD TANK
BUSTERS TO UKRAINE.
THERE HAS BEEN NOBODY TOUGHER ON
RUSSIA THAN DONALD TRUMP.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, THEY WERE
SO BAD THEY TOOK OVER THE
SUBMARINE PORT, YOU REMEMBER
THAT VERY WELL.
DURING YOUR TERM, DURING YOU AND
BARACK OBAMA, THEY TOOK OVER A
BIG PART OF WHAT SHOULD HAVE
BEEN UKRAINE.
YOU HANDED IT TO THEM.
BUT YOU WERE GETTING A LOT OF
MONEY FROM RUSSIA.
THEY WERE PAYING YOU A LOT OF
MONEY.
AND THEY PROBABLY STILL ARE.
BUT NOW WITH WHAT CAME OUT
TODAY, IT'S EVEN WORSE.
ALL OF THE EMAILS, THE EMAILS,
THE HORRIBLE EMAILS OF THE KIND
OF MONEY THAT YOU WERE RAWKING
IN, YOU AND YOUR FAMILIMENT AND
JOE, YOU WERE VICE PRESIDENT
WHEN SOME OF THIS WAS HAPPENING.
AND IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER
HAPPENED.
AND I THINK YOU OWE AN
EXPLANATION TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
WHY IS IT SOMEBODY JUST HAD A
NEWS CONFERENCE A LITTLE WHILE
AGO WHO WAS ESSENTIALLY SUPPOSED
TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR
FAMILY.
BUT WHAT HE SAID WAS DAMNING.
AND REGARDLESS OF ME, I THINK
YOU HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP AND TALK
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, MAYBE
YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN, YOU MAY RESPOND, AND
THERN I DO WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON
THE ELECTION SECURITY.
>> HAVE I NOT TAKEN A PENNY FROM
ANY FOREIGN SOURCE EVER IN MY
LIFE.
WE LEARNED THIS PRESIDENT PAID
50 TIMES THE TAX IN CHINA IN A
SECRET BANK ACCOUNT WITH CHINA,
DOES BUSINESS IN CHAINA.
AND IN FACT, IS TALKS ABOUT ME
TAKING MONEY?
I HAVE NOT TAKEN A SINGLE PENNY
FROM ANY COUNTRY WHATSOEVER.
EVER.
NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THIS IS THE
PRESIDENT I HAVE RELEASED ALL OF
MY TAX RETURNS.
22 YEARS, GO LOOK AT THEM.
22 YEARS OF MY TAX RETURNS.
YOU HAVE NOT RELEASED A SINGLE
SOLITARY YEAR OF YOUR TAX
RETURNS.
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?
WHY ARE YOU UNWILLING.
THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES ARE PAYING
YOU A LOT.
RUSSIA IS PAYING YOU A LOT.
CHINA IS PAYING YOU A LOT.
AND YOUR HOTELS AND ALL YOUR
BUSINESSES ALL AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
AND CHINA IS BUILDING A NEW ROAD
TO A GOLF COURSE YOU HAVE
OVERSEAS.
SO WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
RELEASE YOUR TAX RETURNS AND
STOP TALKING ABOUT CORRUPTION.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP
YOUR RESPONSE.
>> FIRST OF ALL I CALLED MY
ACCOUNTANTS, I WILL RELEASE THEM
AS SOON AS I CAN, I WANT TO DO
IT AND SHOW HOW SUCCESSFUL AND
GREAT THE COMPANY IS.
BUT MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN
THAT, PEOPLE WERE SAYING 750
DOLLARS, I ASKED THEM A WEEK
AGOK I SAID WHAT DID I PAY?
THEY SAID SIR, YOU PREPAID TENS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I PREPAID MY TAX OVER THE LAST
NUMBER OF YEARS.
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I PREPAID BECAUSE AT SOME POINT
THEY THINK IT'S AN ESTIMATE,
THEY THINK I MAY HAVE TO PAY
TAX.
SO I ALREADY PREMADE IT.
NOBODY TOLD ME THAT.
NOBODY TELLS YOU THAT, EXCUSE ME
AND IT WASN'T WRITTEN WHENEVER
THEY WRITE IT, KEEP TALKING
ABOUT $750 WHICH I THINK SAY
FILING FEE.
BUT LET MAY JUST TELL YOU, I
PREPAID MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN TAXES.
NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, YOU DON'T MAKE MONEY
FROM CHINA.
YOU DO.
I DON'T MAKE MONEY FROM UKRAINE,
YOU DO.
I DON'T MAKE MONEY FROM RUSSIA.
YOU MADE 3.5 MILLION, JOE.
AND YOUR SON GAVE YOU, THEY EVEN
HAVE A STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO
GIVE 10% TO THE BIG MAN, ARE YOU
THE BIG MAN, I THINK.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT.
BUT YOU ARE THE BIG MAN, I
THINK.
YOUR SON SAID WE HAVE TO GIVE
10% TO THE BIG MAN.
JOE, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?
IT'S TERRIBLE.
>> Welker: GENTLEMEN, I WANT
TO ASK YOU ABOUT QUESTIONS.
>> I HAVE TO RESPOND.
>> Welker: I WILL LET YOU BOTH
RESPOND QUICKLY.
YOU JUST SAID YOU SPOKE TO YOU
ARE WHY ACCOUNTANT ABOUT
POTENTIALLY RELEASING YOUR
TAXES, DID HE TELL YOU WHEN YOU
CAN RELEASE THEM.
DO YOU HAVE A DEADLINE FOR WHEN
YOU WILL RELEASE THEM TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> I GET TREATED WORSE THAN THE
TEA PARTY GET TREATED BECAUSE
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN
THERE, DEEP DOWN IN THE IRS THEY
TREAT ME HORRIBLY, WE MADE A
DEAL, IT WAS ALL SETTEDDED UNTIL
I DECIDE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
I GET TREATED VERY BADLY BY THE
IRS, VERY UNFAIRLY.
BUT WE HAD A DEAL, AS SOON AS WE
ARE COMPLETED WITH A DEAL I WANT
TO RELEASE IT.
BUT I HAVE PAID MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND IT IS
WORSE THAN PAYING.
I PAID IN ADVANCE, ST CALLED
PREPAYING YOUR TAXES.
>> Welker: I WANT TO ASK YOU
BOTH ABOUT QUESTIONS REGARDING
YOUR POTENTIAL FOREIGN
ENDANG-- ENTANGLEMENTS AND
QUESTIONS, TO GIVE YOU BOTH A
CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE
BROADLY.
RESPOND YUCKLY AND THEN I WILL
GET TO MY QUESTION.
>> HE HAS BEEN SAYING THIS FOR
FOUR YEARS, SHOW US.
JUST SHOW US.
STOP PLAYING AROUND.
YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR FOUR
YEARS YOU WILL RELEASE YOUR
TAXES.
NOBODY KNOWS MR. PRESIDENT.
WHAT THEY DO KNOW IS YOU ARE NOT
PAYING YOUR TAXES OR YOU ARE
PAYING TAXES THAT ARE SO LOW.
WHEN LAST TIME HE SAID WHAT HE
PAID, HE SAID I ONLY PAY THAT
LITTLE BECAUSE I'M SMART.
I KNOW HOW TO GAME THE SYSTEM.
COME ON.
COME ON.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,
THERN I WANT TO GET TO TWO
QUESTIONS TO BOTH OF YOU.
>> I WAS PUT THROUGH A PHONEY
WITCH-HUNT FOR THREE YEARS, IT
STARTED BEFORE I EVEN GOT
ELECTED.
THEY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN.
NO PRESIDENT SHOULD EVER HAVE TO
GO THROUGH WHAT I WENT THROUGH.
LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
MUELLER AND 18 ANGRY DEMOCRATS
AND FBI AGENTS ALL OVER THE
PLACE SPENT $48 MILLION.
THEY WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING I
HAD INCLUDING MY TAX RETURNSES.
AND THEY FOUND ABSOLUTELY NO
COLLUSION AND NOTHING WRONG.
48 MILLION.
I GUARANTEE YOU IF I SPENT ONE
MILLION ON YOU, JOE, I COULD
FIND PLENTY WRONG BECAUSE THE
KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE
DONE AND THE KIND OF MONEYS THAT
YOUR FAMILY HAS TAKEN.
I MEAN YOUR BROTHER MADE MONEY
IN IRAQ.
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
YOUR OTHER BROTHER MADE A
FORTUNE AND IT'S ALL THROUGH
YOU, JOE.
AND THEY SAY YOU GET SOME OF IT
AND DO YOU LIVE VERY WELL.
YOU HAVE HOUSES ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
YOU LIVE VERY WELL.
>> Welker: ALL RIGHT,
GENTLEMEN, LET ME ASK QUESTIONS
ABOUT THIS BROADLY.
VICE PRESIDENT BEUDEN THERE HAVE
BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WORK
YOUR SON HAS DONE IN CHINA AND
YOU KRAWNIAN ENERGY COMPANY WHEN
WERE YOU VICE PRESIDENT, IN
RETROSPECT WAS ANYTHING ABOUT
THOSE RELATIONSHIPS
INAPPROPRIATE OR UNETHICAL.
>> NOTHING WAS UNETHICAL, HERE
IS THE DEAL.
WITH REGARDING UKRAINE, WE HAD
THIS WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT BECAUSE HE WAS ON
THE BOARD, I LATER LEARNED OF
BURISMA, A COMPANY THAT SHOW I
HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG.
YET EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY FERN
WHEN HE WAS GOING THROUGH HIS
IMPEACHMENT, TESTIFYING UNDER
OATH WHO WORKED FOR HIM SAID I
DID MY JOB
IMPECKICALLY-- IMPECCABLY.
I CARRIED OUT U.S. POLICY.
NOT ONE SINGLE, SOLITARY THING
WAS OUT OF LINE.
NOT A SINGLE THING, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THE GUY WHO GOT IN
TROUBLE IN UKRAINE WAS THIS GUY
TRYING TO BRIBE THE UKRAINIAN
GOVERNMENT TO SAY SOMETHING
NEGATIVE ABOUT ME, WHICH THEY
WOULD NOT DO, AND DID NOT DO,
BECAUSE IT NEVER, EVER, EVER
HAPPENED.
MY SON HAS NOT MADE MONEY IN
TERMS OF THIS THING ABOUT, WHAT
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, CHINA.
I HAVE NOT HAD-- THE ONLY GUY
WHO MADE MONEY FROM CHINA IS
THIS GUY.
THE ONLY ONE.
NOBODY ELSE HAS MADE MONEY FROM
CHEUNA.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,
LET ME, PI QUESTION TO YOU.
>> JUST ONE SECRETARY.
>> HIS SON DIDN'T HAVE A JOB FOR
A LONG TIME, WAS SADLY NO LONGER
IN THE MILITARY SERVICE.
I WON'T GET INTO THAT.
AND HE DIDN'T HAVE A JOB.
AS SOON AS HE BECAME VICE
PRESIDENT BURISMA, NOT THE
BEST-- NOT THE BEST REPUTATION
IN THE WORLD, I HEAR THEY PAID
HIM $18 3,000 A MONTH.
LISTEN TO THIS, 183, AND THEY
GAVE HUM A $3 MILLION UP FRONT
PAYMENT.
AND HE HAD NO ENERGY-- THAT IS
100 PERCENT-- .
>> Welker: I.
>> WITH.
>> NO BASES FOR THAT, NOBODY
SAID ANYTHING HE DID WAS WRONG
IN UKRAINE.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,
THIS IS FOR YOU, SINCE YOU TOOK
OFFICE YOU HAVE NEVER DIVESTED
FROM YOUR BUSINESS, YOU
PERSONALLY PROMOTED YOUR
PROPERTIES ABROAD.
A REPORT THIS WEEK WHICH WAS
REFERENCED DOES INDICATE THAT
YOUR COMPANY HAS A BANK ACCOUNT
IN CHINA.
SO HOW CAN VOTERS KNOW THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE ANY FOREIGN CONFLICT
OF INTEREST?
>> I HAVE MANY BANK ACCOUNTS AND
THEY ARE ALL LESSED AND THEY ARE
ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I MEAN I WAS A BUSINESS MAN
DOING BUSINESS.
THE BANKER ACCOUNT YOU ARE
REFERRING TO WHICH IS, EVERYBODY
KNOWS ABOUT IT, IS LISTED.
THE BANKER ACCOUNT WAS IN 2013.
THAT IS WHEN IT WAS.
IT WAS OPENED.
IT WAS CLOSED IN 2015, I
BELIEVE.
AND THEN I DECIDED BECAUSE I WAS
GOING TO DO, I WAS THINK BEING
DOING A DEAL IN CHINA LIKE
MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT AND I
DECIDED I'M NOT GOING TO DO T
DIDN'T LIKE IT, I DECIDED NOT TO
DO IT HAD AN ACCOUNT OPEN THEN I
CLOSED IT.
EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN UNLIKE HIM, WHERE HE
ASK VICE PRESIDENT AND HE GUS
BUSINESS, I THEN DECIDED TO RUN
FOR PRESIDENT AFTER THAT.
THAT WAS OF ABOUT.
SO I CLOSED IT BEFORE I EVEN RAN
FOR PRESIDENT, LET ALONE BECAME
PRESIDENT.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
HE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, AND HIS SON, HIS
BROTHER AND HIS OTHER BROTHER
ARE GETTING RICH.
THEY'RE LIKE A VACUUM CLEANING
SUCKING UP MONEY ANY PLACE HE
GOES.
>> NOT TRUE.
>> Welker: WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
I WANT TO ASK YOU VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN ABOUT CHINA.
LET'S TALK ABOUT CHINA MORE
BROADLY.
THERE HAVE, OF COURSE, PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAS SAID THAT THEY SHOULD
PAY FOR NOT BEING FULLY
TRANSPARENT IN REGARDS TO THE
CORONAVIRUS.
IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU
MAKE CHINA PAY.
AND PLEASE BE SPECIFIC, WHAT
WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE.
>> WHAT I WOULD MAKE CHINA DO
PLAY BY THE INTERNATIONAL RULES.
NOT LIKE HE HAS DONE.
HE HAS CAUSED THE DEFICIT WITH
CHINA TO GO UP, NOT DOWN.
WITH CHINA.
UP, NOT DOWN.
WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT IN ORDER
TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA YOU HAVE
TO GIVE ALL YOUR INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
PARTNER IN CHINA, 51%.
WE WOULD NOT DO THAT AT ALL,
NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, WE IN A SITUATION
WHERE CHINA WOULD HAVE TO PLAY
BY THE RULES INTERNATIONALICALLY
AS WELL.
WHEN I MET WITH XU AND WHEN I
WAS STILL VICE PRESIDENT HE SAID
WE'RE SETTING UP AIR
IDENTIFICATION ZONES IN THE
SOUTH CHEUNA SEA, YOU CAN'T FLY
THROUGH THEM, I SAID WE ARE
GOING TO FLY THROUGH THEM, WE
JUST FLEW B1 BOMBERS THROUGH T.
>> YOU HAVE TO PLAY BY THE
RULES, WHAT DOES HE DO, HE
EMBRACES GUYS, THUGS LIKE IN
NORTH KOREA AND THE CHINESE
PRESIDENT AND PUTIN AND OTHERS.
AND HE POKES HIS FINGER IN THE
EYE OF ALL OF OUR FRINSK ALL OF
OUR ALLIES.
WE MAKE UP, WE ARE 25%, 25% OF
THE WORLD'S ECONOMY.
WE NEED TO BE HAVING THE REST OF
OUR FRIENDS WITH US SAYING TO
CHINA, THESE ARE THE RULES.
YOU PLAY BY THEM OR YOU WILL PAY
THE PRICE FOR NOT PLAYING BY
THEM, ECONOMICICALLY.
THAT IS THE WAY I WILL RUN IT
AND THAT IS WHAT WE DID IN
UPHOLDING STEEL TARIFFS AND A
RANGE OF OTHER THINGS WHEN WE
WERE PRESIDENT AND ADVICE
PRESIDENT.
>> I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
>> Welker: OKAY QUUKLY.
>> YOU WALKED OUT WITH AW
BILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS FROM
CHINA.
>> NOT TRUE.
>> AFTER SPENDING TEN MONEYS IN
OFFICE AND BEING ON OUR FORCE
TWO, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THERE IS A VERY
STRONG, MAIL TALKING ABOUT YOUR
FAMILY WANTING TO MAWK $10
MILLION A YEAR POR
INTRODUCTIONS.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP, ON
CHEUNA POLICY THOUGH-- WHAT ARE
YOU GOING TO DO, WHAT
SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU GOING TO DO
TO MAWK CHINA PAY, YOU SAID YOU
ARE GOING TO PAY.
>> FIRST CHINA IS PAYING,
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
>> Welker: NEW SANCTIONS.
>> I JUST GAVE $28 BILLION TO
OUR FARMERS.
>> TAXPAYERS MONEY.
>> WHAT.
>> TA THAT IS TAX PAY ARE MONEY.
>> YOU KNOW WHO THE TAXPAYER
MONEY IS CHINA.
>> NOT TRUE.
>> CHEUNA PAID $28 MILLION, YOU
KNOW WHAT THEY DID, THEY DEVAL
UD THAWR KRNSEE AND ALSO PAID
UP.
YOU KNOW WHO GOT THE MONEY, OUR
GREAT FARMERS BECAUSE THEY WERE
TARGETED.
YOU NEVER CHARGED THEM ANYTHING.
ALSO, I CHARGED THEM 25% ON
DUMPED STEEL BECAUSE THEY WERE
KILLING OUR STEEL INDUSTRY.
WE WERE NOT GOING TO HAVE A
STEEL INDUSTRY AND NOW WE HAVE A
STEEL INDUSTRY.
>> Welker: OKAY, VICE
PRESIDENT BIED EN, YOUR
RESPONSE.
>> MY RESPONSE IS, THERE IS A
REASON WHY HE'S BRINGING UP ALL
THIS MALARKEY.
THERE IS A REASON FOR IT.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE.
ST NOT ABOUT HIS FAMILY AND MY
FAMILY, IT IS ABOUT YOUR FAMILY,
AND YOUR FAMILY IS HURTING
BADLY.
IF YOU ARE MAWKING LESS
THAN-- IF YOU ARE A MIDDLE CLASS
FAMILY, YOU ARE GETTING HURT
BADLY RIGHT NOW.
ARE YOU SITTING AT THE KITCHEN
TABLE THIS MORNING DECIDING WELL
WE CAN'T GET NEW TIRES BECAUSE
WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH OR
SO OR ARE WE ABLE TO PAY THE
MORTGAGE OR WHO WILL TELL HER
SHE CAN'T GO BACK TO COMMUNITY
COLLEGE.
THEY'RE THE DECISIONS YOU ARE
MAKING IN THE MIDDLE CLASS
FAMILIES LIKE I GREW NEWSPAPER
IN SCRANTON AND CLAY DDZ MONT.
THEY ARE IN TROUBLE.
WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT YOUR
FAMILIES BUT THAT IS THE LAST
THING HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.
>> THAT SAY TYPICAL
STATEMENT-- EXCUSE ME, ONE
SECOND.
>> THAT SAY TYPICAL POLITICAL
STATEMENT, LET'S GET OFF THIS
CHINA THING AND THEN THE FAMILY,
AROUND THE TABLE, EVERYTHING.
JUST A TYPICAL POLITICIAN, WHEN
I SEE THAT.
I'M IN THE A TYPICAL POLITICIAN.
THAT IS WHY I GOT ELECTED.
LET'S GET OFF THE SUBJECT OF
CHEUNA LET'S TALK AROUND SITTING
AROUND THE TABLE.
COME ON JOE, YOU CAN DO BETTER.
>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT NORTH KOREA, PRESIDENT
TRUMP YOU HAVE MET WITH KIM
JUNG-UN THREE TIMES.
YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR BEAUTIFUL
LETTERS WITH HIM, YOU HAVE
TOUTED THE FACT THAT THERE
HASN'T BEEN A WAR ON LONG-RANGE
MISSILE TEST AND NORTH KOREA
RECENTLY ROLLED OUT ITS BIGGEST
EVER INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC
MISSILE AND CONTINUES TO DEVELOP
ITS NUBBING CLEAR ARSENAL.
DO YOU SEE THAT AS A BETRAYAL OF
THE RELATIONSHIP.
JUST 30 SECONDS.
>> NO, WHEN I MET WITH BARACK
OBAMA WE SAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
RIGHT AT THE GUNNING.
HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION, WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE 15 MONEYS AND IT
WAS WELL OVER AN HOUR.
HE SAID THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE
HAVE IS NORTH KOREA.
HE INDICATED WE WILL BE IN A WAR
WITH NORTH KOREA, GUESS WHAT.
IT WOULD BE A NUCLEAR WAR.
AND HE DOES HAVE PLENTY OF
NUCLEAR CAP PAIBILITY.
IN THE MEAN TIME I HAVE A VERY
GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
DIFFERENT KIND OF A GUY BUT HE
PROBABLY THINKS THE SAME THING
ABOUT ME.
WE HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF A
RELATIONSHIP.
WE HAVE A VERY GOOD
RELATIONSHIP.
AND THERE IS NO WAR.
AND YOU KNOW, ABOUT TWO MONTHS
AGO HE BROKE INTO A CERTAIN
AREA, THEY SAID OH THERE IS
GOING TO BE TROUBLE.
I SAID NO, THERE NOT, BECAUSE
HE'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT, AND I
WAS RIGHT.
INSTEAD OF BEING IN A WAR WHERE
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, SEOUL YOU
KNOW IS 25 MILES AWAY, MILLIONS
AND MILLIONS, 32 MILLION PEOPLE
IN SEOUL, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
WOULD BE DEAD RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE A WAR AND HAVE I A
GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
>> Welker: VIESES PRESIDENT
BIDEN, NORTH KOREA CONDUCTED
FOUR NUCLEAR TESTS UNDER THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE
ABLE TO REIGN IN THIS PERSISTENT
THREAT.
>> BECAUSE I WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR
AS WE MAKE CLEAR TO CHINA THEY
HAVE TO BE PART OF THE DEAL.
I MADE IT CLEAR AND AS A
SPOKESPERSON,-- I WENT TO CHINA
AND SAID WHY ARE YOU MOVING YOUR
MISSILE DEFENSE UP SO CLOSE.
WHY ARE YOU MOVING MORE FORCES
HERE, WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO DO
MILITARY MANEUVERS WITH SOUTH
KOREA.
I SAID BECAUSE NORTH KOREA IS A
PROBLEM.
AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
DO IT SO WE CAN CONTROL THEM.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE CAN
CONTROL THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY
CANNOT HURT US.
AND SO IF YOU WANT TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT, STEP UP AND
HELP.
IF NOT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.
WHAT HAS HE DONE?
HE HAS LEGITIMIZED NORTH KOREA,
HE TALKED ABOUT HIS GOOD BUDDY
WHO IS A THUG, A THUG AND HE
TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE BETTER OFF
AND THEY HAVE MUCH MORE CAP
ABLE-- CAPABLE MISSILES, ABLE TO
REACH U.S. TERRITORY MUCH MORE
EASILY THAN THEY EVER DID
BEFORE.
>> LET MEE FOLLOW UP WITH YOU
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.
YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T MEET WITH
KIM JUNG-UN WITHOUT
PRECONDITIONS.
ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS UNDER
WHICH YOU WOULD MEET WITH HIM.
>> ON THE CONDITION THAT HE
WOULD AGREE THAT HE WOULD BE
DRAWING DOWN HIS NUCLEAR
CAPACITY, TO GET THE KOREAN
PENINSULA SHOULD BE A NUCLEAR
FREE ZONE.
>> Welker: LET'S MOVE ON TO
AMERICAN FAMILIES.
>> THEY TRIED TO MEET WITH HIM.
HE WOULDN'T DO IT.
HE DIDN'T LIKE OBAMA.
HE DIDN'T LIKE HIM.
HE WOULDN'T DO IT.
THEY TRIED.
>> Welker: 10 SECONDS TO
RESPOND TO THAT.
>> IT'S OKAY, NORTH KOREA, WE
ARE NOT IN A WAR, WE HAVE A GOOD
RELATIONSHIP.
YOU KNOW, HAVING A GOOD
RELATIONSHIP WITH LEADERS OF
OTHER COUNTRIES IS A GOOD THING.
>> Welker: WE HAVE A LOT OF
QUESTIONS TO GET TO.
>> WE HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP
WITH HITLER BEFORE HE IN FACT
INVADED EUROPE.
THE REST OF EUROPE.
COME ON.
THE REASON HE WOULD NOT MEET
WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA IS BECAUSE
PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID WE'RE GOING
TO TALK ABOUT DENUCLEARIZATION.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEGITIMIZE
YOU, WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUT
STRONG STRONGER AND STRONGER
SANCTIONS ON YOU, THAT IS WHY HE
DIDN'T MEET WITH YOU.
>> AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
>> Welker: LET'S MOVE ON.
>> HE LEFT ME A MESS, KRISTEN
THEY LEFT ME A MESS.
NORTH KOREA WAS A MESS.
>> Welker: WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
>> DO YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST TWO
OR THREE MONTHS, THERE WAS A
VERY DANGEROUS PERIOD IN MY
FIRST THREE MONTHS BEFORE WE
SORT OF WORKED THINGS OUT A
LITTLE BIT.
THEY LEFT US A MESS.
AND OBAMA WOULD BE, I THINK, THE
FIRST TO SAY IT WAS A SINGLE
BIGGEST PROBLEM.
HE THOUGHT THAT OUR COUNTRY-- .
>> Welker: LET'S MOVE ON TO
AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THE
ECONOMY.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT IS MOST
IMPORTANT TO THEM IS HEALTH
CARE.
AS YOU BOTH KNOW.
TODAY THERE WAS A KEY VOTE AND A
NEW PREEM COURT JUSTICE AMY
CONEY BARRETT AND HEALTH CARE IS
AT THE CENTER OF HER
CONFIRMATION FIGHT.
OVER 20 MILLION AMERICANS GET
THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH
THE AFFORDABLE CARE AK IT IS
HEADED TO THE SUPREME COURT AND
YOUR ADMINISTRATION,
MR. PRESIDENT, IS ADVOCATING FOR
THE COURT TO OVERTURN IT.
IF THE SUPREME COURT DOES
OVERTURN THAT LAW, THERE ARE 20
MILLION AMERICANS COULD LOSE
THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE ALMOST
OVERNIGHT SO WHAT WOULD YOU DO
IF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR
HEALTH INSURANCE IT WILL BE BETTER
RUN.
BUT IT NO LONGER IS OBAMACARE
BECAUSE WITHOUT THE INDIVIDUAL
MANDATE, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT.
PREEXISTING CONDITIONS WILL
ALWAYS STAY.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS A
MUCH BETTER HEALTH CARE, MUCH
BETTER, WILL ALWAYS PROTECT
PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING.
I'D LIKE TO TERMINATE OBAMACARE,
COME UP WITH A BRAND NEW,
BEAUTIFUL HEALTH CARE.
THE DEMOCRATS WILL DO IT BECAUSE
THERE WILL BE TREMENDOUS
PRESSURE ON THEM.
AND WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE THE HOUSE
AT THAT TIME, AND I THINK WE ARE
GOING TO WIN THE HOUSE, OKAY.
YOU'LL SEE.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WIN
THE HOUSE.
BUT COME UP WITH A BETTER HEALTH
CARE, ALWAYS PROTECTING PEOPLE
WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND ONE THING-- VERY IMPORTANT--
WE HAVE 180 MILLION PEOPLE OUT
THERE THAT HAVE GREAT PRIVATE
HEALTH CARE.
FAR MORE THAN WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT WITH OBAMACARE.
JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO TERMINATE
ALL OF THOSE POLICIES.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THEIR
HEALTH CARE.
PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN
SUCCESSFUL-- MIDDLE-INCOME
PEOPLE-- BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
THEY HAVE 180 MILLION PLANS, 180
MILLION PEOPLE, FAMILIES.
UNDER WHAT HE WANTS TO DO--
WHICH WILL BASICALLY BE
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.
HE WON'T EVEN HAVE A CHOICE--
THEY WANT TO TERMINATE 180
MILLION PLANS.
WE HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB
ON HEALTH CARE, AND WE'RE GOING
TO DO EVEN BETTER--
>> Welker: OKAY.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.
YES, THIS IS FOR YOU.
YOUR HEALTH CARE PLAN CALLS FOR
BUILDING ON OBAMACARE.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS YOUR
PLAN IF THE LAW IS RULED
UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY THE SUPREME
COURT?
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES
UNINTERRUPTED.
>> WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS PASS
OBAMACARE WITH A PUBLIC OPTION,
BECOME BIDENCARE.
THE PUBLIC OPTION IS AN OPTION
THAT SAYS IF YOU IN FACT DO NOT
HAVE THE WHEREWITHALL-- IF YOU
QUALIFY FOR MEDICATE AND YOU DO
NOT HAVE THE WHEREWITHALL IN
YOUR STATE TO GET MEDICAID YOU
ARE AUTOMATICALLY ENROLLED
PROVIDING COMPETITION FOR
INSURANCE COMPANIES.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SECONDLY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE
SURE WE REDUCE THE PREMIUMS AND
DRUG PRICES BY MAKING SURE THERE
IS COMPETITION, THAT DOESN'T
EXIST NOW, BY ALLOWING MEDICARE
TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES WITH
THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
THIRDLY, THE IDEA THAT I WANT TO
ELIMINATE PRIVATE INSURANCE--
THE REASON WHY I HAD SUCH A
FIGHT FOR-- WITH 20 CANDIDATES
FOR THE NOMINATION WAS I SUPPORT
PRIVATE INSURANCE.
THAT'S WHY I-- NOT ONE SINGLE
PERSON WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE
WOULD LOSE THEIR INSURANCE UNDER
MY PLAN, NOR DID THEY UNDER
OBAMACARE.
THEY DID NOT LOSE THEIR
INSURANCE, UNLESS THEY CHOSE
THEY WANTED TO GO TO SOMETHING
ELSE.
LASTLY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE
WE'RE IN A SITUATION THAT WE
ACTUALLY PROTECT PREEXISTING--
THERE'S NO WAY HE CAN PROTECT
PREEXISTING CONDITIONS, NONE,
ZERO.
YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE ETHER.
HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR
A LONG TIME.
THERE IS NO-- HE'S NEVER COME UP
WITH A PLAN.
I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO GET THE
PREEXISTING CONDITION PLAN THE
SAME TIME WE GET THE
INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN WE HAVE BEEN
WAITING FOR SINCE '17, '18, '19,
'20.
I STILL HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES.
I KNOW YOU'RE GETTING ANXIOUS.
THE FACT IS HE'S ALREADY COST
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF
HIS TERRIBLE HANDLING OF THE
CORONAVIRUS AND THE ECONOMIC
SPILLOVER.
10 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE LOST
THEIR PRIVATE INSURANCE.
AND HE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY 22
MILLION MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT
UNDER OBAMACARE, AND OVER 110
MILLION PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING
CONDITIONS.
AND ALL THE PEOPLE FROM COVID
ARE GOING TO HAVE PREEXISTING
CONDITIONS.
WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO?
>> Welker: I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP
FOR YOU VICE PRESIDENT BIEDEN,
ITLET ARES TO SOMETHING
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID.
HE'S ACCUSING YOU OF WANTING
SIZED MEDICINE.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE YOUR
PLAN WITH A PUBLIC OPTION OF
COURSE, THAT IT'S A HEALTH CARE
PLAN RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT.
>> I SAY IT'S RIDICULOUS.
THE IDEA-- THE FACT THAT THERE'S
A PUBLIC OPTION THAT PEOPLE CAN
CHOOSE.
THAT MAKES IT A SOCIALIST PLAN?
LOOK, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
PRESIDENT-- I THINK HEALTH CARE
IS NOT A PRIVILEGE.
IT'S A RIGHT.
EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT
TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE.
AND I AM VERY PROUD OF MY PLAN.
IT'S GOTTEN ENDORSED BY ALL THE
MAJOR LABOR UNIONS, AS WELL AS A
WHOLE RANGE OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO
IN FACT ARE CONCERNED IN THE
MEDICAL FIELD.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING
TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES, AND THIS
IS GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE AN
OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO
HAVE HEALTH CARE FOR THEIR
CHILDREN.
HOW MANY OF YOU HOME ARE WORRIED
AND ROLLING AROUND IN BED
TONIGHT WONDERING WHAT IN GOD'S
NAME YOU'RE GOING TO DO IF YOU
GET SICK BECAUSE YOU LOST YOUR
HOME INSURANCE-- YOUR HEALTH
INSURANCE, YOUR COMPANY HAS GONE
UNDER.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE HEALTH
INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE AT AN
AFFORDABLE RATE, AND THAT'S WHAT
I'D DO.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,
YOUR RESPONSE.
>> HE WAS THERE FOR 47 YEARS, HE
DIDN'T DO IT.
HE WAS THERE FOR VICE PRESIDENT
FOR EIGHT YEARS.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS 25 YEARS
AGO.
IT WAS THREE AND
THREE-QUARTERS-- IT WAS JUST A
LITTLE WHILE AGOING, RIGHT, LESS
THAN FOUR YEARS AGO.
HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
HE DIDN'T DO IT.
HE WANTS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.
IT'S NOT THAT HE WANTS IT-- HIS
VICE PRESIDENT, SHE IS MORE
LIBERAL THAN BERNIE SANDERS AND
WANTS IT EVEN MORE.
BERNIE SANDERS WANTS IT.
THE DEMOCRATS WANT IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOCIALIZED
MEDICINE, JUST LIKE WITH
FRACKING.
"WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE
FRACKING.
WE'RE GOING TO STOP FRACKING AM.
THEN HE GOES TO PENNSYLVANIA
AFTER HE GOT THE NOMINATION--
WHERE HE GOT VERY LUCKY TO GET
IT-- AND HE GOES TO PENNSYLVANIA
AND HE SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
FRACKING.
AND YOU NEVER ASKED THAT
QUESTION.
BY THE WAY, SO FAR, I RESPECT
VERY MUCH THE WAY YOU'RE
HANDLING THIS.
I HAVE TO SAY.
>> BY THE WAY--
>> SOMEBODY SHOULD ASK THE
QUESTION.
HE GOES FOR A YEAR.
>> Welker: WE DO HAVE A
NUMBER-- WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
TOPICS WE'RE GOING TO GET TO.
WE'RE GOING TO GET TO--
>> THE SAME THING WITH
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.
>> I HAVE TO RESPOND.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT YOUR
RESPONSE, PLEASE.
>> MY RESPONSE IS PEOPLE DESERVE
TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE
PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD.
AND THE BIDENCARE PROPOSAL WILL
IN FACT PROVIDE FOR THAT
AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE, LOWER
PREMIUMS.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, IT'S
GOING TO COST SOME MONEY.
IT WILL COST OVER $750 BILLION
OVER 10 YEARS TO DO IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LOWER
PREMIUMS, BUY INTO THE BETTER
PLANS, CHEAPER PLANS, LOWER YOUR
PREMIUMS, DEAL WITH UNEXPECTED
BILGE AND HAVE YOUR DRUG PRICES
DROP SIGNIFICANTLY.
HE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT.
HE HASN'T DONE A THING FOR
ANYBODY ON HEALTH CARE.
NOT A THING.
>> KRISTEN WHEN HE SAYS--
>> Welker: I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT--
>> HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOCIALIZED
MEDICINE.
AND HEALTH CARE.
WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT A PUBLIC
OPTION, HE'S TALKING ABOUT
DESTROYING YOUR MEDICARE,
TOTALLY DESTROYING AND
DESTROYING YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY,
AND THIS WHOLE COUNTRY WILL COME
DOWN.
BERNIE SANDERS TRIED IT IN HIS
STATE.
HE TRIED IT IN HIS STATE.
HIS GOVERNOR WAS A VERY LIBERAL
GOVERNOR, HE WANTED TO MAKE IT
WORK--
>> Welker: LET'S LET VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN RESPOND.
>> HE'S A VERY CONFUSED GUY.
HE THINKS HE'S RUNNING AGAINST
SOMEBODY ELSE.
HE'S RUNNING AGAINST JOE BIDEN.
I BEAT ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE
BECAUSE I DISAGREED WITH THEM.
JOE BIDEN HE'S RUNNING AGAINST.
AND THE IDEA WE'RE IN A
SITUATION THAT WILL DESTROY
MEDICARE, THIS IS THE GUY THAT
THE ACUARY MEDICARE SAID IF IN
FACT-- SOCIAL SECURITY-- IF IN
FACT HE CONTINUES TO WITHHOLD
HIS PLAN-- HIS PLAN TO WITHHOLD
THE TAX ON SOCIAL SECURITY,
SOCIAL SECURITY WILL BE BANKRUPT
BY 2023 WITH NO WAY TO MAKE UP
FOR IT.
THIS IS THE GUY WHO HAS TRIED TO
CUT MEDICARE.
SO I DON'T-- I MEAN, THE IDEA
THAT DONALD TRUMP IS LECTURING
ME ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND
MEDICARE.
COME ON.
>> HE TRIED TO GET RID OF--
>> Welker: 10 SECONDS
MR. PRESIDENT.
>> YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO-- GO
BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECORDS.
HE TRIED TO HURT SOCIAL SECURITY
YEARS AGO.
>> Welker: ALL RIGHT, LET'S
MOVE ON, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON.
MR. PRESIDENT I HAVE TO MOVE ON
TO THE NEXT QUESTION OR ELSE
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME TO
TALK ABOUT IT.
>> IF HE'S ELECTED, THE STOCK
MARKET WILL CRASH.
>> Welker: THE NEXT QUESTION,
VERY QUICKLY.
>> LOOK, THE IDEA THAT THE STOCK
MARKET IS BOOMING, IT'S HIS ONLY
MEASURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WHERE I COME FROM IN SCRANTON,
PEOPLE DON'T LIVE OFF OF THE
STOCK MARKET.
JUST IN THE LAST THREE-- THREE
YEARS, DURING THIS CRISIS, THE
BILLIONAIRES IN THIS COUNTRY
MADE, ACCORDING TO THE WALL
STREET, $700 BILLION MORE, $700
BILLION MORE BECAUSE THAT'S HIS
ONLY MEASURE.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ORDINARY
PEOPLE OUT THERE?
WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?
>> Welker: LET'S TALK ABOUT--
>> 401(K)s, KRISTEN.
401(K)s ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.
>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
ON.
>> HE DOESN'T COME FROM
SCRANTON.
HE LIVED THERE FOR A SHORT
PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE HE EVEN
KNEW IT AND HE LEFT DISPLEL LET
ME MOVE ON MY MY NEXT QUESTION.
AS OF TONIGHT, MORE THAN 12
MILLION PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK,
AND AS OF TONIGHT EIGHT MILLION
MORE AMERICANS HAVE FALLEN INTO
POVERTY AND MORE FAMILIES ARE
GOING HUNGRY EVERY DAY.
THOSE HIT HARDEST ARE WOMEN AND
PEOPLE OF COLOR.
THEY SEE WASHINGTON FIGHTING
OVER A RELIEF BILL.
MR. PRESIDENT, WHY HAVEN'T YOU
BEEN ABLE TO GET THEM THE HELP
THEY NEED?
30 SECONDS.
>> NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T WANT IT.
>> Welker: YOU'RE THE
PRESIDENT.
>> THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I
THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER
THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF HER.
NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T WANT TO
APPROVE ANYTHING BECAUSE SHE
WOULD LOVE TO HAVE VICTORIES ON
A DATE CALLED NOVEMBER 3.
NANCY PELOSI DOES NOT WANT TO
APPROVE IT.
WE ARE READY, WILLING, AND ABLE
TO DO IT.
WE HAVE APPROVED THREE PLANS,
INCLUDING THE DEMOCRATS, IN ALL
FAIRNESS.
THIS ONE SHE DOESN'T WANT
BECAUSE SHE THINKS IT HELPS HER
POLITICALLY.
I THINK IT HURTS HER
POLITICALLY.
>> THE REPUBLICAN LEADER IN THE
UNITED STATES SENATE SAID HE
CAN'T PASS IT.
HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PASS IT.
HE DOES NOT HAVE REPUBLICAN
VOTES.
WHY ISN'T HE TALKING TO HIS
REPUBLICAN FRIENDS.
>> Welker: LET ME FOLLOW UP
WITH YOU, VICE PRESIDENT.
LET ME ASK VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN
A QUESTION.
YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHY HAVE YOU
NOT PUSHED THE DEMOCRATS TO GET
A DEAL FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
>> I HAVE.
I HAVE PUSHED IT.
THEY PASSED THIS ACT ALL THE WAY
BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE
SUMMER.
THIS IS NOT NEW.
IT'S BEEN OUT THERE.
THIS HERO'S ACT HAS BEEN SITTING
THERE.
AND LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WHEN I WAS IN CHARGE OF THE
RECOVERY ACT, WITH $800 BILLION,
I WAS ABLE TO GET $145 BILLION
TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE
TO THEIR BUDGETS, THE STATES
THAT HAVE TO BALANCE THEIR
BUDGETS, AND THEY HAD TO FIRE
FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS, FIRST
RESPONDERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS SO THEY COULD KEEP
THEIR CITIES AND COUNTIES
RUNNING.
HE WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT.
THEY HAVE NOT DONE A THING FOR
THEM.
AND MITCH McCONNELL SAID LET
THEM GO BANKRUPT.
LET THEM GO BANKRUPT.
COME ON.
WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH THESE
GUYS.
>> THE BILL PASSED IN THE HOUSE
WAS A BAILOUT OF BADLY RUN,
HIGH-CRIME DEMOCRAT, ALL RUN BY
DEMOCRATS, CITIES AND STATES.
IT WAS A WAY OF GETTING A LOT OF
MONEY, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS TO THESE-- IT WAS ALSO A
WAY OF GETTING A LOT OF MONEY
FROM OUR PEOPLE'S POCKETS TO
PEOPLE THAT COME INTO OUR
COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
WE WERE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF
EVERYTHING FOR THEM.
AND WHAT THAT DOES-- AND I'D
LOVE TO DO THAT.
I'D LOVE TO HELP THEM.
WHAT THAT DOES, EVERYBODY ALL
OVER THE WORLD WILL START
POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY.
WE CAN'T DO IT.
THIS WAS A WAY OF TAKING CARE OF
THEM.
THIS WAS A WAY OF SPENDING ON
THINGS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO
WITH COVID, AS PER YOUR
QUESTION.
BUT IT WAS REALLY A BIG BAILOUT
FOR BADLY RUN DEMOCRAT CITIES
AND STATES.
>> FIGET ELECTED-- I'M RUNNINGAS
A PROUD DEMOCRAT, BUT I'M GOING
TO BE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
I DON'T SEE RED STATES AND BLUE
STATES.
WHAT I SEE IS AMERICAN, UNITED
STATES.
AND, FOLK, EVERY SINGLE STATE
OUT THERE FINDS THEMSELVESES IN
TROUBLE, THEY'RE GOING TO START
LAYING OFF, WHETHER THEY'RE RED
OR BLUE, COPS, FIREFIGHTERS,
FIRST RESPONDERS, TEACHERS,
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BALANCE
THEIR BEEN.
THE FOUNDERS ALLOWED THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO DEFICIT SPEND FOR
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
>> Welker: I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THE MINIMUM WAGE.
MR. VICE PRESIDENT, WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT STRUGGLING SMALL
BUSINESS AND BUSINESS OWNERS
THESE DAYS.
DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT
TIME TO ASK THEM TO RAISE THE
MINIMUM WAGE.
YOU SUPPORT RAY $15 MINIMUM
WAGE?
>> I DO.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL HAVE
TO DO IS BAIL THEM OUT, TOO.
WE SHOULD BE BAILING THEM OUT
NOW, THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES.
YOU HAVE ONE IN SIX OF THEM
GOING UNDER.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
MAKE IT.
THEY PASSED A PACKAGE, CALLED
P.P.E., MONEY THAT IS SUPPOSED
TO HELP THEM DO EVERYTHING FROM
ORGANIZE HOW THEY CAN DEAL WITH
THEIR BUSINESSES BEING OPEN
SAFELY, SCHOOLS, HOW THEY CAN
MAKE CLASSROOMS SMALLER, HOW
THEY CAN HIRE MORE TEACHERS, HOW
THEY CAN PUT VENTILATION SYSTEMS
IN.
THEY NEED THE HELP, THE
BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE
SCHOOLS, NEED THE HELP.
BUT THIS-- THESE GUYS WILL NOT
HELP THEM.
NOT GIVING THEM ANY OF THE
MONEY.
>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO-- TO--
>> SMALL BUSINESSES BY RAISING
THE MINIMUM WAGE?
THAT'S NOT HELPING.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE A STATE
OPTION.
ALABAMA IS DIFFERENT FROM NEW
YORK, NEW YORK IS DIFFERENT FROM
VERMONT.
EVERY STATE IS DIFFERENT.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE TO HELP OUR SMALL
BUSINESSES.
>> Welker: YOU SAID--
>> HOW ARE YOU HELPING YOUR
SMALL BUSINESSES WHEN YOU'RE
FORCING WAGES?
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND
WHAT'S BEEN PROVEN TO HAPPEN IS
WHEN YOU DO THAT, THESE SMALL
BUSINESSES FIRE MANY OF THEIR
EMPLOYEES.
>> Welker: YOU SAID VERY
RECENTLY YOU WOULD CONSIDER
RAISING THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE
TO $15 AN HOUR.
YOU SAID RECENTLY YOU WOULD
CONSIDER RAISING THE FEDERAL
MINIMUM WAGE TO $15 AN HOUR.
IS THAT STILL THE CASE.
IN A SECOND ADMINISTRATION?
>> YOU KNOW, IN A SECOND
ADMINISTRATION, BUT NOT TO A
LEVEL THAT'S GOING TO PUT ALL
THESE BUSINESSES OUT OF
BUSINESS.
IT SHOULD BE A STATE OPTION.
LOOK, DIFFERENT PLACES, I KNOW
DIFFERENT PLACES.
THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
SOME PLACES-- $15 IS NOT SO BAD.
IN OTHER PLACES, OTHER STATES,
$15 WOULD BE RUINOUS.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP.
QUICK RESPONSE, VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN.
>> TWO JOBS, ONE JOB, BELOW
POVERTY.
PEOPLE ARE MAKING SIX, SEVEN,
EIGHT BUCKS AN HOUR.
THE FIRST RESPONDERS WE ALL CLAP
FOR AS THEY COME DOWN THE STREET
BECAUSE THEY ALLOW US TO MAKE
IT.
THEY DESERVE A MINIMUM WAGE $15.
ANYTHING BELOW THAT PUTS YOU
BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL.
AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHEN
YOU RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE
BUSINESSES GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
IMMIGRATION NOW, GENTLEMEN, AND
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
FAMILIES WITHIN THIS CONTEXT.
MR. PRESIDENT, YOUR
ADMINISTRATION SEPARATED
CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS AT
THE BORDER, AT LEAST 4,000 KIDS.
YOU'VE SINCE REVERSED YOUR ZERO
TOLERANCE POLICY BUT THE UNITED
STATES CAN'T LOCATE THE PARENTS
OF MORE THAN 500 CHILDREN.
HOW WILL THESE FAMILIES EVER BE
REUNITED.
>> CHILDREN ARE BROUGHT HERE BY
COYOTES AND LOTS OF BAD PEOPLE--
CARTELS-- AND THEY'RE BROUGHT
HERE, AND THEY USED TO USE THEM
TO GET INTO OUR COUNTRY.
WE NOW HAVE AS STRONG A BORDER
AS WE'VE EVER HAD.
WE'RE OVER 400 MILES OF BRAND
NEW WALL.
YOU SEE THE NUMBERS.
AND WE LET PEOPLE IN, BUT THEY
HAVE TO COME IN LEGALLY, AND
THEY COME IN THROUGH--
>> Welker: BUT HOW WILL YOU
REUNITE THESE CHILDREN WITH
THEIR FAMILY.
>> THEY USED TO SAY I BUILT THE
CAGES AND THEY HAD THE PICTURES
IN A CERTAIN NEWSPAPER, AND IT
WAS A PICTURE OF THESE HORRIBLE
CAGES AND THEY SAID LOOK AT
THESE CAGES.
PRESIDENT TRUMP BUILT THEM.
AND THEN IT WAS DETERMINED THEY
WERE BUILT IN 2014.
THAT WAS HIM.
>> Welker: DO YOU HAVE A PLAN
TO REUNITE THE KIDS?
>> WE'RE WORKING ON IT VERY--
WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD.
BUT A LOT OF THESE KIDS COME OUT
WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS.
THEY COME OUT THROUGH CARTELS
AND COYOTES AND GANGS.
>> Welker: A QUICK RESPONSE
AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION.
>> THESE 500-PLUS KIDS CAME WITH
PARENTS.
THEY SEPARATED THEM AT THE
BORDER TO MAKE IT A DISINCENTIVE
TO COME TO BEGIN WITH.
REAL TOUGH.
WE'RE REALLY STRONG.
AND GUESS WHAT?
THEY CANNOT-- IT'S NOT COYOTES
DIDN'T BRING THEM OVER.
THEIR PARENTS WERE WITH THEM.
THEY GOT SEPARATED FROM THEIR
PARENTS, AND MAKES US A LAUGHING
STOCK AND VIOLATES EVERY NOTION
OF WHO WE ARE AS A NATION.
>> O'Donnell:NATION.
>> Welker: LET ME ASK YOU A
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.
>> THEY DID IT.
WE CHANGED THE POLICY.
WHO BUILT THE CAGES, JOE.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT--
>> WHO BUILT THE CAGES, JOE.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT HAPPENED.
PARENTS-- THE KIDS WERE RIPPED
FROM THEIR ARMS AND WERE
SEPARATED AND NOW THEY CANNOT
FIND OVER 500 SETS OF THOSE
PARENTS, AND THOSE KIDS ARE
ALONE, NOWHERE TO GO, NOWHERE TO
GO.
IT'S CRIMINAL.
IT'S CRIMINAL.
>> Welker: LET ME--
>> KRISTEN, I WILL SAY THAT,
THEY WENT DOWN, WE BROUGHT
REPORTERS, EVERYTHING.
THEY ARE SO WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
THEY'RE IN FACILITIES THAT WERE
CLEAN.
>> Welker: BUT SOME OF THEM
HAVEN'T BEEN REUNITED WITH THEIR
FAMILIES.
>> ONE QUESTION.
WHO BUILT THE CAGES?
I'D LOVE YOU TO ASK THAT.
>> Welker: LET ME ASK YOU
ABOUT YOUR ADMINISTRATION
POLICY, MR. VICE PRESIDENT.
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION PRESIDED
OVER RECORD DEPORTATIONS AS WELL
AS FAMILY DETENTIONS BEFORE
CHANGING FORCE.
WHY SHOULD THE VOTERS TRUST YOU
WITH OVERHAUL NOW?
>> IT TOOK TOO LONG TO GET IT
RIGHT.
I'LL BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, NOT VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
AND THE FACT IS I'VE MADE IT
VERY CLEAR, WITHIN 100 DAYS, I'M
GOING TO SEND TO THE UNITED
STATES CONGRESS A PATHWAY TO
CITIZENSHIP FOR OVER 11 MILLION
UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE.
AND ALL OF THOSE SO-CALLED
DREAMERS, THOSE DACA KIDS,
THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMMEDIATELY
CERTIFIED AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO
STAY IN THIS COUNTRY AND PUT ON
A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.
THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE BEING
SENT HOME BY THIS GUY, AND THEY
WANT TO DO THAT, IS THEY GO TO A
COUNTRY THEY'VE NEVER SEEN
BEFORE.
I CAN IMAGINE, YOU'RE FIVE YEARS
OLD, YOUR PARENTS TAKE YOU
ACROSS THE RIO GRANDE RIVER, AND
IT'S ILLEGAL.
AND YOU SAY OH, NO, MOM, LEAVE
ME HERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO WITH YOU.
THEY'VE BEEN HERE.
MANY OF THEM ARE MODEL CITIZENS.
OVER 20,000 OF THEM ARE FIRST
RESPONDERS OUT THERE TAKING CARE
OF PEOPLE DURING THIS CRISIS.
WE OWE THEM.
WE OWE THEM.
>> Welker: MR. PRESIDENT.
>> HE HAD EIGHT YEARS TO DO WHAT
HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO.
AND I'VE CHANGED-- WITHOUT
HAVING A SPECIFIC-- WE GOT RID
OF CATCH AND RELEASE.
WE GOT RID OF A LOT OF HORRIBLE
THINGS THAT THEY PUT IN.
HE HAD EIGHT YEARS HE WAS VICE
PRESIDENT.
HE DID NOTHING EXCEPT BUILD
CAGES TO KEEP CHILDREN IN.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN, YOUR RESPONSE.
>> WRONG.
THE CATCH AND RELEASE, YOU KNOW
WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THERE?
IF IN FACT YOU HAD A FAMILY,
CAME ACROSS, AND THEY WERE
ARRESTED, THEY IN FACT WERE
GIVEN A DATE TO SHOW UP FOR
THEIR FAMILY.
THEY WERE RELEASED.
AND GUESS WHAT?
THEY SHOWED UP FOR A HEARING.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT
IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA ANYBODY
SEEKING ASYLUM HAS TO DO IT IN
ANOTHER COUNTRY.
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN
AMERICA.
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN
AMERICA.
YOU COME TO THE UNITED STATES
AND YOU MAKE YOUR CASE THAT I
SEEK ASYLUM BASED ON THE
FOLLOWING PREMISE, WHY I DESERVE
IT, UNDER AMERICAN LAW.
THEY'RE SITTING IN SQUALOR ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,
YOUR RESPONSE.
30 SECONDS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE
ON.
>> IT JUST SHOWS HE HAS NO
UNDERSTANDING OF IMMIGRATION OF
THE LAWS.
CATCH AND RELEASE IS A DISASTER.
A MURDERER WOULD COME IN.
A RAPIST WOULD COME IN.
A VERY BAD PERSON WOULD COME IN.
WE WOULD TAKE THEIR NAME.
WE WOULD HAVE TO RELEASE THEM
INTO OUR COUNTRY, AND THEN YOU
SAY THEY COME BACK.
LESS THAN 1% OF THE PEOPLE COME
BACK.
WE HAVE TO SEND ICE OUT.
>> NOT TRUE.
>> AND BORDER PATROL OUT TO FIND
THEM.
WE WOULD SAY COME BACK IN TWO
YEARS, THREE YEARS.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A COURT
CASE.
YOU NEED PERRY MASON.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A COURT
CASE.
WHEN THEY SAY THEY COME BACK,
THEY NEVER COME BACK, JOE.
THEY NEVER COME BACK.
ONLY THE REALLY-- I HATE TO SAY
THIS-- BUT THOSE WITH THE LOWEST
I.Q., THEY MIGHT COME BACK.
>> Welker: LET'S GIVE VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN A CHANCE TO
RESPOND, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOUR
RESPONSE.
>> IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
>> THEY DON'T COME BACK.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
IT, BECAUSE I TERMINATED IT.
>> AND YOU HAVE 525 KIDS NOT
KNOWING WHERE IN GOD'S NAME
THEY'RE GOING TO BE AND LOST
THEIR PARENTS.
>> Welker: LET'S TALK ABOUT
OUR NEXT SECTION, WHICH IS RACE
IN AMERICA.
AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WAY
BLACK AND BROWN AMERICANS
EXPERIENCE RACE IN THIS COUNTRY.
PART OF THAT EXPERIENCE IS
SOMETHING CALLED "THE TALK."
IT HAPPENS REGARDLESS OF CLASS
AND INCOME.
PARENTS WHO FEEL THEY HAVE NO
CHOICE BUT TO PREPARE THEIR
CHILDREN FOR THE CHANCE THAT
THEY COULD BE TARGETED,
INCLUDING BY THE POLICE, FOR NO
REASON OTHER THAN THE COLOR OF
THEIR SKIN.
MR. VICE PRESIDENT, IN THE NEXT
TWO MINUTES, I WANT YOU TO SPEAK
DIRECTLY TO THESE FAMILIES.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THESE
PARENTS FEAR FOR THEIR CHILDREN?
>> YOU KNOW, I DO.
I DO.
YOU KNOW, MY DAUGHTER IS A
SOCIAL WORKER.
AND SHE'S-- SHE'S WRITTEN A LOT
ABOUT THIS.
SHE HAS HER GRADUATE DEGREE FROM
THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
IN SOCIAL WORK.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY I ENDED UP WORKING
ON THE EAST SIDE OF WILMINGTON,
DELAWARE, WHICH IS 90% AFRICAN
AMERICAN WAS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT
WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I NEVER HAD TO TELL MY DAUGHTER
IF SHE'S PULLED OVER, MAKE SURE
SHE PUTS-- FOR A TRAFFIC STOP,
PUT BOTH HANDS ON TOP OF THE
WHEEL AND DON'T REACH FOR THE
GLOVE BOX BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY
SHOOT YOU.
BUT A BLACK PARENT, NO MATTER
HOW WEALTHY OR HOW POOR THEY
ARE, HAS TO TEACH THEIR CHILD,
WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE
STREET, DON'T HAVE A HOODIE ON
WHEN YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET,
MAKING SURE THAT YOU, IN FACT,
IF YOU GET PULLED OVER, "YES,
SIR, NO, SIR," HAND ON TOP OF
THE WHEEL BECAUSE YOU ARE, IN
FACT, A VICTIM WHETHER YOU'RE A
PERSON MAKING $300,000-A-YEAR
PERSON OR SOMEONE WHO IS ON FOOD
STAMPS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THERE
IS INSTITUTIONAL RACISM IN
AMERICA.
AND WE HAVE ALWAYS SAID-- WE'VE
NEVER LIVED UP TO IT-- WE HOLD
THESE TRUTH TO BE SELF-EVIDENT.
ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE CREATED
EQUAL.
WE NEVER LIVED UP TO IT.
WE HAVE CONSTANTLY BEEN MOVING
THE NEEDLE FURTHER AND FURTHER
TO INCLUSION, NOT EXCLUSION.
THIS IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO
COME ALONG AND SAY THAT'S THE
END OF THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT
ANYMORE.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY, BETTER EDUCATION,
BETTER HEALTH CARE, BETTER
ACCESS TO SCHOOLING, BETTER
ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY TO BARROW
MONEY TO START BUSINESSES.
ALL THE THINGS WE CAN DO-- AND
I'VE LAID OUT A CLEAR PLAN AS TO
HOW TO DO THOSE THINGS, JUST TO
GIVE PEOPLE A SHOT.
IT'S ABOUT ACCUMULATING THE
ABILITY TO HAVE WEALTH AS WELL
AS IT IS TO BE FREE FROM
VIOLENCE.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,
SAME QUESTION TO YOU, AND LET ME
REMIND YOU OF THE QUESTION.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SPEAK
DIRECTLY TO THESE FAMILIES.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THESE
PARENTS FEAR FOR THEIR CHILDREN?
>> YES, I DO.
AND, AGAIN, HE'S BEEN IN
GOVERNMENT 47 YEARS, HE NEVER
DID A THING, EXCEPT IN 1994,
WHEN HE DID SUCH HARM TO THE
BLACK COMMUNITY, AND THEY WERE
CALLED, AND HE CALLED THEM,
SUPER PREDATORS, AND HE SAID
THAT.
HE SAID IT.
SUPER PREDATORS.
AND THEY CAN NEVER LIVE THAT
DOWN.
1994 YOUR CRIME BILL, THE SUPER
PREDATORS.
NOBODY HAS DONE MORE FOR THE
BLACK COMMUNITY THAN DONALD
TRUMP.
AND IF YOU LOOK, WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN--
POSSIBLE EXCEPTION, BUT THE
EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN--
NOBODY HAS DONE WHAT I'VE DONE.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.
OBAMA AND JOE DIDN'T DO IT.
I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY TRIED
BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHANCE AT
DOING IT.
THEY MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO DO IT,
BUT IF YOU HAD TO SEE THE ARMS I
HAD TO TWIST TO GET THAT DONE,
IT WAS NOT A PRETTY PICTURE.
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT,
INCLUDING SOME VERY LIBERAL
PEOPLE, THAT CRIED IN MY OFFICE.
THEY CRIED IN THE OVAL OFFICE.
TWO WEEKS LATER THEY'RE OUT
SAYING, GEE, WE HAVE TO DEFEAT
HIM.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, PRISON
REFORM, OPPORTUNITY ZONES WITH
TIM SCOTT, A GREAT SENATOR FROM
SOUTH CAROLINA, HE CAME IN WITH
THIS INCREDIBLE IDEA FOR
OPPORTUNITY ZONES.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL
PROGRAMS.
PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.
TREMENDOUS INVESTMENT IS BEING
MADE-- BIGGEST BENEFICIARY-- THE
BLACK AND HISPANIC COMMUNITIES.
AND THEN HISTORICALLY BLACK
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, AFTER
THREE YEARS OF COMING TO THE
OFFICE, I LOVE SOME OF THOSE
GUYS, THEY WERE GREAT.
THEY CAME INTO THE OFFICE, AND
THEY SAID-- I SAID WHAT ARE YOU
DOING-- AFTER THREE YEARS I SAID
WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK?
BECAUSE WE HAVE NO FUNDING.
I SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME
BACK EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE TO COME BACK.
BECAUSE PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD
NEVER GIVE THEM LONG-TERM
FUNDING AND I DID, 10-YEAR,
NG-TERM FUNDING AND I GAVE
EM MORE MONEY THAN THEY ASKED
R.
SAID I THINK YOU NEED MORE.
SAID THE ONLY BAD PART ABOUT
IS IS I MAY NEVER SEE YOU
AIN.
GOT VERY FRIENDLY WITH THEM.
D THEY LIKE ME, AND I LIKE
EM.
-
Welker: WE'RE GOING TO TALK
OUT BOTH OF YOUR RECORDS, BUT
UR RESPONSE TO THAT, VICE
ESIDENT.
MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS I
NEVER, EVER SAID WHAT HE ACCUSED
ME OF SAYING.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IN
2000, AFTER THE CRIME BILL HAD
BEEN THE LAW FOR A WHILE, THIS
IS THE GUY WHO SAID THE PROBLEM
WITH THE CRIME BILL IS THERE ARE
NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN JAIL.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN
JAIL.
AND GO ON MY WEB SITE, GET THE
QUOTE, THE DATE, WHEN HE SAID
IT, NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE.
HE TALKED ABOUT MARAUDING GANGS,
YOUNG GANGS, AND THE PEOPLE WHO
WERE GOING TO MARAUD OUR CITIES.
THIS IS A GUY WHO IN THE CENTRAL
PARK FIVE, FIVE INNOCENT BLACK
KIDS, HE CONTINUED TO PUSH FOR
MAKING SURE THEY GOT THE DEATH
PENALTY.
NONE OF THEM WERE GUILTY OF THE
CRIMES THEY WERE SUGGESTED.
LOOK, AND TALK ABOUT-- GRANTED,
HE DID, IN FACT, LET 20 PEOPLE--
HE COMMUTED 20 PEOPLE'S
SENTENCES.
WE COMMUTE OVER 1,000 PEOPLE'S
SENTENCES, OVER 1,000.
THE VERY LAW HE'S TALKING ABOUT
IS THE LAW THAT, IN FACT,
INITIATED BY BARACK OBAMA, AND
SECONDLY, WE'RE IN A SITUATION
HERE WHERE THE FEDERAL PRISON
SYSTEM WAS REDUCED BY 38,000
PEOPLE UNDER OUR ADMINISTRATION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD
BE DOING, THERE SHOULD BE NO, NO
MINIMUM MANDATORIES IN THE LAW.
THAT'S WHY I'M OFFERING $20
BILLION TO STATES TO CHANGE
THEIR STATE LAWS TO ELIMINATE
MINIMUM MANDATORIES AND SET UP
DRUG COURTS.
NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL
BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DRUG
PROBLEM.
THEY SHOULD GO GOING TO
REHABILITATION, NOT TO JAIL.
WE SHOULD FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE
THE SYSTEM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M
GOING TO DO.
>> WHY DIDN'T HE DO THAT FOUR
YEARS AGO?
WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT FOUR
YEARS AGO, EVEN LESS THAN THAT.
YOU WERE VICE PRESIDENT.
YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE
THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO DO, AND
YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
BUT YOU WERE THERE JUST A SHORT
TIME AGO, AND YOU GUYS DID
NOTHING.
YOU KNOW, JOE, I RAN BECAUSE OF
YOU.
I RAN BECAUSE OF BARACK OBAMA.
BECAUSE YOU DID A POOR JOB.
IF I THOUGHT YOU DID A GOOD JOB,
I WOULD HAVE NEVER RUN.
I WOULD HAVE NEVER RUN.
I RAN BECAUSE OF YOU.
I'M LOOKING AT YOU NOW, YOU'RE A
POLITICIAN, I RAN BECAUSE OF
YOU.
>> Welker: ALL RIGHT, VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOUR RESPONSE
TO THAT, AND I DO HAVE SOME
QUESTIONS FOR BOTH OF YOU.
>> I TELL YOU WHAT, I HOPE HE
DOES LOOK AT ME, BECAUSE WHAT'S
HAPPENING HERE.
YOU KNOW WHO I AM.
YOU KNOW WHO HE IS.
YOU KNOW HIS CHARACTER.
YOU KNOW MY CHARACTER.
YOU KNOW OUR REPUTATIONS FOR
HONOR AND TELLING THE TRUTH.
I AM ANXIOUS TO HAVE THIS RACE.
I AM ANXIOUS TO SEE THIS TAKE
PLACE.
I AM-- THE CHARACTER OF THE
COUNTRY IS ON WILL BALLOT.
OUR CHARACTER IS ON THE BALLOT.
LOOK AT US CLOSELY.
>> Welker: PLEASE, RESPOND,
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
FOLLOW-UP.
>> RUSSIA, UKRAINE, CHINA, OTHER
COUNTRIES, IRAQ, IF THIS IS
TRUE, HE'S A CORRUPT POLITICIAN.
DON'T GIVE ME THE STUFF ABOUT
HOW YOU'RE THIS INNOCENT BABY.
JOE, THEY'RE CALLING YOU A
CORRUPT POLITICIAN.
>> NOBODY IS CALLING ME--
>> Welker: I WANT TO STAY ON
THE ISSUE OF RACE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT-- PRESIDENT
TRUMP-- PRESIDENT
TRUMP-- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RACE
RIGHT NOW, AND I DO WANT TO STAY
ON THE ISSUE OF RACE.
>> I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
>> Welker: PLEASE, QUICKLY.
>> THERE ARE 50 FORMER NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE FOLKS WHO SAID THAT
WHAT HE IS ACCUSING ME OF IS A
RUSSIAN PLANT.
THEY HAVE SAID THIS HAS ALL
THE-- FIVE FORMER HEADS OF THE
C.I.A., BOTH PARTIES, SAY WHAT
HE'S SAYING IS A BUNCH OF
GARBAGE.
NOBODY BELIEVES IT EXCEPT HIM
AND HIS GOOD FRIEND, RUDY
GIULIANI.
>> YOU MEAN THE LAPTOP IS NOW
ANOTHER RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA,
HOAX.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT-- THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT--
>> THIS IS WHERE HE'S GOING.
>>THELAP TOP IS RUSSIA, RUSSIA,
RUSSIA.
YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING.
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH RUSSIA.
>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE ON THE ISSUE OF RACE.
YOU DESCRIBED THE BLACK LIVES
MOVEMENT AS A SYMBOL OF HATE.
YOU SAID BLACK PROFESSIONAL
ATHLETES EXERCISING THEIR FIRST
AMENDMENT RIGHTS SHOULD BE
FIRED.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS WHO
SAY THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE FROM A
PRESIDENT IS CONTRIBUTING TO A
CLIMATE OF HATE AND RACIAL
STRIFE.
>> THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD
OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, THEY WERE
CHANTING, PIGS IN A BLANKET--
TALKING ABOUT POLICE-- PIG,
PIGS, PIGS IN A BLANKET.
FRY THEM LIKE BACON.
I SAID THAT WAS A HORRIBLE
THING.
AND THEY WERE MARCHING WERE MARCHING DOWN THE
STREET.
AND THAT WAS MY FIRST GLIMPSE OF
BLACK LIVERS MATSER.
I-- BLACK LIVES MATTER.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A TERRIBLE
THING.
AS FAR AS MY RELATIONSHIPS WITH
ALL PEOPLE, I THINK I HAVE GREAT
RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL PEOPLE.
I AM THE LEAST RACIST PERSON IN
THIS ROOM.
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS
WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT
RHETORIC.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
I HAVE GOT CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM DONE AND PRISON REFORM
AND OPPORTUNITY ZONES, I TOOK
CARE OF BLACK COLLEGES AND
UNIVERSITIES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
THEY CAN SAY ANYTHING.
I MEAN THEY CAN SAY ANYTHING.
IT'S A VERY-- IT MAKES ME SAD
BECAUSE I AM, I AM THE LEAST
RACIST PERSON.
I CAN'T EVEN SEE THE AUDIENCE
BECAUSE IT'S SO DARK.
BUT I DON'T CARE WHO IS IN THE
AUDIENCE, I'M THE LEAST RACIST
PERSON IN THIS ROOM.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT BIED
INLET ME ASK YOU QUUKLY.
>> ABRAHAM LINCOLN ONE OF
THE-- HE POURS FUEL ON EVERY
SING EM RACIST FIRE.
EVERY SINGLE ONE, STARTED OFF
HIS CAMPAIGN COMING DOWN SAYING
HE WOULD GET RID OF THOSE
MEXICAN RAPISTS, HE BANNED
MUSLIM BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIM.
HE MOVED AROUND AND MADE
EVERYTHING WORSE
ACROSS-THE-BOARD.
HE SAYS ABOUT THE POOR BOYS LAST
TIME WE WERE ON STAGE HERE, HE
TOLD THEM TO STAND DOWN AND
STAND READY, COME ON, THIS GUY
IS A DOG WHISTLE ABOUT AS BIG AS
A FOGHORN.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP I
WILL GIVE YOU TEN SECONDS TO
RESPOND.
>> YOU MADE A REFERENCE TO
ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
WHERE DOES THAT COME IN.
>> YOU SAID ARE YOU ABRAHAM
LINCOLN.
>> NO, NO, I SAID NOT SINCE
ABRAHAM LINCOLN HAS ANYBODY DONE
WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR THE BLACK
COMMUNITY.
>> AND I'M SAYING.
>> I DIDN'T SAY I AM ABRAHAM
LINCOLN.
I SAID NOT SINCE ABRAHAM LINCOLN
HAS ANYBODY DONE WHAT I HAVE
DONE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
NOW YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING OTHER
THAN THE CRIME BILL.
WHICH PUT.
>> OH GOD.
>> TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BLACK
MEN, MOSTLY IN JAIL.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY REMEMBER
IT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT
IS HAPPENING WITH THE VOTING
RIGHT NOW, THEY REMEMBER THAT
YOU TREATED THEM VERY, VERY
BADLY.
TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING
OUT THERE.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN LET ME GIVE YOU A RESPONSE
CHANCE TO RESPOND, THE CRIME
BILL YOU SUPPORTED IN THE 80S
AND 90S CONTRIBUTED TO THE
INCARCERATION OF THOUSANDS OF
BLACK MEN WHO HAD SMALL AMOUNTS
OF DRUGS IN THEIR PO STIONMENT
THEY ARE SONS, FATHERS,
BROTHERS, UNCLES WHOSE FAMILIES
ARE STILL TO THIS DAY SUFFERING
THE CONSEQUENCE, SO SPEAK TO
THOSE FAMILIES, WHY SHOULD THEY
VOTE FOR YOU.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT IN
THE 80S WE PASSED 100%, ALL 100
SENATORS VOTED FOR IT, A BILL ON
DRUG AND HOW THO DEAL WITH
DRUGS.
IT WAS A MISTAKE AM I HAVE BEEN
TRYING TO CHANGE IT SINCE THEN,
PARTICULARLY THE PORTION ON
COCAINE.
THAT IS WHY I HAVE BEEN ARGUING
THAT, IN FACT, WE SHOULD NOT
SEND ANYONE TO JAIL FOR A PURE
DRUG OFFENSE.
THEY SHOULD BE GOING INTO
TREATMENT, ACROSS-THE-BOARD.
THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE
SPENDING MONEY, THAT IS WHY I
SET UP DRUG COURTS WHICH WERE
NEVER FUNDED BY OUR REPUBLICAN
FRIENDS.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE GOING TO JAIL
FOR A DRUG OR AN ALCOHOL
PROBLEM.
THEY SHOULD BE GOING INTO
TREATMENT, TREATMENT.
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING
TO DO.
THAT IS WHAT I AM GOING TO GET
DONE.
BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE
NOW SEEN THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE
TO PASS THOSE LAWS IN THE 80S OF
DRUGS, BUT THEY WERE NOT IN THE
CRIME BILL.
>> BUT WHY DIDN'T YOU GET IT
DONE, SEE ST ALL TALK, NO ACTION
WITH POLITICS.
WHY DIDN'T YOU GET IT DONE.
THAT IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO
WHEN I BECOME PRESIDENT, YOU
WERE VICE PRESIDENT ALONG WITH
OBAMA AS YOUR PRESIDENT, YOUR
LEADER, FOR EIGHT YEARS, WHY
DIDN'T YOU GET IT DONE?
YOU HAD EIGHT YEARS TO GET IT
DONE.
NOW YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE GOING
TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE YOU ARE
ALL TALK AND NO ACTION, JOE.
>> WE GOT A LOT OF IT DONE.
>> YOU DIDN'T GET ANYTHING DONE.
>> WE GOT 38,000 PRISONERS OUT.
>> YOU GOT NOTHING DONE.
>> 38,000 PRISONERS WERE
RELEASED FROM FEDERAL PRISON.
THERE WERE OVER A THOUSAND
PEOPLE WHO WERE GIVEN CLEMENCY.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT PUT IN THE
LEGISLATION SAYING WE COULD LOOK
AT PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY
WERE DOING.
HOW THEY WERE CONDUCTING
THEMSELVE.
I COULD GO ON.
BUT WE BEGAN THE PROCESS.
WE BEGAN THE PROCESS, WE LOST AN
ELECTION, THAT IS WHY I AM
RUNNING, TO WIN BACK THAT
ELECTION AND CHANGE HIS TERRIBLE
POLICIES.
>> WE WILL MOVE ON.
>> WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IN THE
EIGHT YEARS, A SHORT TIME OKAY.
WHY DIDN'T DO YOU IT?
YOU JUST SAID I'M GOING TO DO
THAT, I'M GOING TO DO THIS.
YOU PUT TENSES OF THOUSANDS OF
MOSTLY BLACK YOUNG MEN IN
PRISON.
NOW YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE GOING
GOING TO UNDO THAT, WHY DIDN'T
YOU GET IT DONE.
YOU HAD EIGHTIERS WITH OBAMA,
YOU KNOW WHY, JOE, BECAUSE YOU
ARE ALL TALK AND NO ACTION.
>> VICE PRESIDENT BIED EN, THEN
WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
>> BECAUSE WE HAD A REPUBLICAN
CONGRESS.
>> YOU HAVE TO TALK THEM INTO,
JOE, YOU HAVE TO TALK THEM INTO
IT.
>> Welker: WE WILL MOVE ON TO
OUR NEXT SECTION.
>> LIIC DID IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORMING I HAD TO TALK
DEMOCRATS THAT IT.
>> Welker: WE ARE RUNNING OUT
OF TIME, TO CLIMATE CHANGE
PLEASE, YOU BOTH HAVE VERY
DIFFERENT VISIONS ON CLIMATE
CHANGE.
PRESIDENT TRUMP YOU SAID
ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS HAVE
HURT JOBS IN THE ENERGY SECTOR.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE
SAID YOU WOULD BE ADDRESSING
CLIMATE CHANGE AS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO CREATE NEW JOBS.
FOR EACH OF YOU, HOW WOULD YOU
BOTH COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE AND
SUPPORT JOB GROWTH AT THE SAME
TIME STARTING WITH YOU,
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES
UNINTERRUPTED.
>> SO IS WE HAVE THE TRILLION
TREES PROGRAM PROGRAM, WE HAVE
SO MANY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, I DO
LOVE THE VEUMENT BUT I WANT THE
CLEANEST, CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER,
THE CLEANEST OUR.
WE HAVE THE BEST, LOWEST NUMBER
IN CARBON EMISSIONS, WHICH IS A
BIG STANDARD THAT I NOTICE OBAMA
GOES WITH ALL THE TIME, NOT JOE,
I HAVEN'T HEARD JOE USE THE TERM
BECAUSE YOU I'M NOT SURE HE
UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT REPRESENTS
OR MEANS BUT I HAVE HEARD OBAMA
USE IT.
AND WE HAVE THE BEST CARBON
EMISSION NUMBERS WE HAVE HAD IN
35 YEARS UNDER THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
WE ARE WORKING SO WELL WITH
INDUSTRY.
BUT HERE IS WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
LOOK AT CHINA, HOW FILTHY IT IS.
LOOK AT RUSSIA, LOOK AT INDIA,
IT IS FILTHY.
THE AIR IS FILTHY.
THE PARIS ACCORD, I TOOK US OUT
BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO
SPEND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND
WE WERE TREATED VERY UNFAIRLY.
WHEN THEY PUT US IN THERE, THEY
DID US A GREAT DISSERVICE.
THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR
BUSINESSES.
I WILL NOT SACRIFICE TENS OF
MILLIONS OF JOBS, THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF COMPANIES BECAUSE
OF THE PARIS ACCORD.
IT WAS SO UNFAIR.
CHINA DOESN'T KICK IN UNTIL
2030.
RUSSIA GOES BACK TO A LOW
STANDARD AND WE KICKED IN RIGHT
AWAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN-- IT
WOULD HAVE DESTROYED OUR
BUSINESSES, SO YOU READY?
WE HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB
ENVIRONMENTALLY.
WE HAVE THE CLEANEST AIR, THE
CLEANEST WATER AND THE BEST
CARBON EMISSION STANDARDS THAN
WE'VE SEEN IN MANY MANY YEARS.
>> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.
>> AND WE HAVEN'T DESTROYED OUR
INDUSTRIES.
>> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, TWO
MONEYS TO YOU UNINTERRUPTED.
>> CLIMATE CHANGE, CLIMATE
WARMING, GLOBAL WARMING, IS AN
EXI SENGS THREAT TO YOUR
HUMANITY.
WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO
DEAL WITH IT.
AND WE'RE TOLD BY ALL THE
LEADING SCIEN FIRSTS IN THE
WORLD WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME.
WE'RE GOING TO PASS THE POINT OF
NO RETURN WITHIN THE NEXT EIGHT
TO TEN YEARS.
FOUR MORE YEARS OF THIS MAN
ELIMINATING ALL THE REGULATIONS
THAT WERE PUT IN BY US TO CLEAN
UP THE CLIMATE, TO CLEAN UP, TO
LIMIT, LIMITED EMISSIONS, WILL
PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE
GOING TO BE IN REAL TROUBLE.
HERE IS WHERE WE HAVE A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY.
I WAS ABLE TO GET BOTH ALL THE
ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS AS
WELL AS LABOR, PEOPLE WORRIED
ABOUT JOBS, TO SUPPORT MY
CLIMATE PLAN.
BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES, IT WILL
CREATE MILLIONS OF NEW GOOD
PAYING JOBS.
WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN, FOR
EXAMPLE, 500,000-- EXCUSE ME,
50,000 CHARGING STATIONS ON OUR
HIGHWAYS SO THAT WE CAN OWN THE
ELECTRIC CAR MARKET IN THE
FUTURE.
IN THE MEAN TIME CHINA IS DOING
THAT.
WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION
WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE TO IT
THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FOUR
MILLION EXISTING BILLION
BUILDINGS AND TWO MILLION
EXISTING HOMES AND RETROFIT THEM
SO THEY DON'T LEAK AS MUCH
ENERGY SAVING HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF BARRELS OF OIL IN
THE PROCESS, AND CREATING
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF JOBS.
AND BY THE WAY, THE WHOLE IDEA
OF WHAT THIS IS ALL GLING TO DO,
IT IS GOING TO CREATE MILLIONS
OF JOBS.
AND IT'S GOING TO CLEAN THE
ENVIRONMENT.
OUR HEALTH AND OUR JOBS ARE AT
STAKE.
THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.
AND RIGHT NOW BY THE WAY WALL
STREET FIRMS INDICATEDDED THAT
MY PLAN, MY PLAN WILL IN FACT
CREATE 18.6 MILLION JOBS, 7
MILLION NOR THAN HIS.
THIS IS FROM WALL STREET.
AND I WILL CREATE ONE TRILLION
MORE IN ECONOMIC GROWTH THAN HIS
PROPOSAL DOES.
NOT ON CLIMATE, JUST ON THE
ECONOMY.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> THEY CAME OUT AND SAID
STRONGLY 6,500 WILL BE TAKEN
AWAY FROM FAMILIES UNDER HIS
PLAN, THAT HIS PLAN IS AN
ECONOMIC DISASTER.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HE WANTS TO
DO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT
HIS-- NOTHING TO DO WITH
CLIMATE.
>> Thompson: YOU KNOW WHO
DEVELOPED IT, AOC PLUS THREE.
THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE
CLIMATE.
I MEAN SHE IS REAL ESTATE GOT A
GOOD LINE OF STUFF BUT SHE NOSE
NOTHING ABOUT THE CLIMATE.
AND THEY ARE ALL HOPPING THROUGH
HOOPS FOR AOC PLUS THREE.
THEIR REAL PLAN COSTS A HUNDRED
TRILLION DOLLARS.
IF WE HAD THE BEST YEAR IN THE
HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY FOR A
HUNDRED YEARS WE WOULD NOT EVEN
COME CLOSE TO A NUMBER LIKE
THAT.
WHEN HE SAYS BUILDINGS, THEY
WANT TO TAKE BUILDINGS DOWN
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE BIGGER
WINDOWS INTO SMALLER WINDOWS.
AS FAR AS THEY ARE CONCERNED, IF
YOU HAD NO WINDOW IT WOULD BE A
LOVELY THING.
THIS IS THE CRAZIEST PLAN THAT
ANYBODY HAS EVER SEEN.
AND THIS WASN'T DONE BY SMART
PEOPLE.
THIS WASN'T DONE BY ANYBODY,
FRANKLY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW
IT CAN BE GOOD POLITICALLY.
THEY WANT TO SPEND A HUNDRED
TRILLION, THAT IS THEIR REAL
NUMBER, HE IS TRYING TO SAY IT
WAS SIX, A HUNDRED TRILLION
DOLLARS.
THEY WANT TO KNOCK DOWN
BUILDINGS AND BUILD NEW
BUILDINGS
BUILDINGS WITH LITTLE TINY,
SMALL WINDOWS AND MANY OTHER
THINGS AND MANY OTHER THINGS.
>> Welker: LET ME HAVE THE
VICE PRESIDENT TO RESPOND.
WE ARE RUNG OUT OF TIME AND HAVE
A LOT MORE QUESTIONS.
LET'S HEAR FROM THE VICE
PRESIDENT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE COMES
FROM.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE COMES UP
WITH THESE NUMBERS.
A HUNDRED TRILLION DOLLARS, GIVE
ME A BREAK.
THIS PLAN WAS-- THIS PLAN IS
ENDORSED BY EVERY MAJOR, EVERY
MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP AND
EVERY LABOR GROUP, LABOR.
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT FUTURE
LIES, THE FUTURE LIES IN US
BEING ABLE TO BREATHE AND THEY
KNOW THERE ARE GOOD JOBS IN
GETTING US THERE.
AND BY THE WAY, THE FASTEST
GROWING INDUSTRY IN AMERICA ARE,
IS THE ELECTRIC, EXCUSE ME, SO
THE AR ENERGY AND WIND.
HE THINKS WIND CAUSES CANCER,
WINDMILLS IT IS THE FASTEST
GROWING JOBS.
AND THEY PAY GOOD PREVAILING
WAGES.
45, 50 BUCKS AN HOUR.
WE CAN GROW AND WE CAN BE
CLEANER IF WE GO THE ROUTE I'M
PROPOSING.
>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP
RESPOND AND THEN HAVE I TO
FOLLOW UP.
>> WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT FOR
THE FIRST TIME.
WE DON'T FEED ALL OF THESE
COUNTRIES THAT WE HAD TO FIGHT A
WAR OVER BECAUSE WE NEEDED THEIR
ENERGY.
WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT.
I KNOW MORE ABOUT WIND THAN YOU
DO.
IT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
IT KILLS ALL THE BURDENS.
IT IS VERY INTERMIT ENT.
GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
AND THEY HAPPEN TO MAKE THE
WINDMILLS IN BOTH GERMANY AND
CHINA.
AND THE FUMES COMING, IF YOU ARE
A BELIEVER IN CARBON EMISSION,
THE FUMES COMING UP TO MAKE
THESE MASSIVE WINDMILLS IS MORE
THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT WITH NATURAL GAS, WHICH IS
VERY CLEAN.
>> IF I MAY.
>> SOLAR, I LOVE SOLAR BUT SOLAR
DOESN'T QUITE HAVE IT YET.
IT IS NOT POWERFUL YET, TO
REALLY RUN OUR BIG BEAUTIFUL
FACTORIES THAT WE NEED TO
COMPETE WITH THE WORLD.
SO.
>> FALSE.
>> IT'S ALL A PIPEDREAM, BUT YOU
KNOW WHAT WE WILL DO.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE
GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD
BUT IF YOU WANT TO KILL THE
ECONOMY, GET RID OF YOUR OIL
INDUSTRY.
YOU WANT-- AND WHAT ABOUT
FRACKING.
NOW, NOW WE HAVE STO ASK
ABOUT-- .
>> Welker: LET ME ALLOW VICE
PRESIDENT BIED INTO RESPOND.
>> I NEVER SAID I OPPOSE
FRACKING.
>> YOU SAID IT ON TAPE.
>> SHOW THE TAPE, PUT IT ON YOUR
WEBSITE.
>> I WILL PUT IT ON.
>> PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU
FLAT LINED.
>> Welker: WOULD YOU RULE OUT
BANNING FRACKING.
>> I DO RULE OUT BANNING
FRACKING.
BECAUSE THE ANSWER, WE NEED, WE
NEED OTHER INDUSTRIES TO
TRANSITION, TO GET TO ULTIMATELY
A COMPLETE ZERO EMISSIONS BY
2025.
BUT WHAT I WILL DO WITH FRACKING
OVER TIME IS MAKE STHEUR THAT WE
CAN CAPTURE THE EMISSIONS FROM
THE FRACKING.
CAPTURE THE EMISSIONS FROM GAS.
WE CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN DO
THAT BY INVESTING MONEY IN DOING
IT.
BUT ST A TRANSITION TO THAT.
>> Welker: I HAVE ONE MORE
QUESTION AND THEN WE HAVE.
>> HE WAS AGAINST FRACKING.
HE SAID IT, I WILL SHOW THAT TO
YOU TOMORROW.
>> GOOD.
>> Welker: I AM AGAINST
FRACKING, UNTIL HE GOT THE
NOMINATION, WENT TO
PENNSYLVANIA, THEN HE SAID BUT
YOU KNOW WHAT, PENNSYLVANIA, HE
WILL BE AGAINST IT VERY SOON
BECAUSE HIS PARTY IS TOTALLY
AGAINST IT.
>> FRACK ON FEDERAL LAND, I
SAID, NO FRACKING FOR OIL ON
FEDERAL LAND.
>> Welker: LET ME ASK THIS
FINAL QUESTION IN THIS SECTION
AND THEN I WANT TO MOVE ON TO
OUR FINAL QUESTION.
PRESIDENT TRUMP PEOPLE OF COLOR
ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO LIVE
NEAR OIL REFINERIES AND CHEMICAL
PLANTS.
IN TEXAS THERE ARE FAMILIES WHO
WORRY THE PLANTS NEAR THEM ARE
MAKING THEM SICK.
YOUR ADMINISTRATION HAS ROLLED
BACK REGULATIONS ON THESE KINDS
OF FA SILTDS.
WHY SHOULD THESE FAMILY GIVE YOU
ANOTHER FOUR YEARS IN OFFICE.
>> THE FAMILIES THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT ARE EMPLOYED
HEAVILY AND ARE MAKING A LOT OF
MONEY, MORE MONEY THAN THEY HAVE
EVER MADE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF
NUMBERS THAT WE PRODUCE FOR
HISPANIC OR BLACK OR ASIAN, IT
IS NINE TIMES GREATER, THE
PERCENTAGE GAINED THAN IT WAS
UNDER, IN THREE YEARS THAN IT
WAS UNDER EIGHT YEARS OF THE TWO
OF THEM, TO PUT IT NICELY.
NEUN TIMES MORE.
NOW SOMEBODY LIVES, HAVE I NOT
HEARD THE NUMBERS OR THE
STATISTICS THAT YOU ARE SAYING.
BUT THEY'RE MAKING A TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF MONEY ECONOMICICALLY.
WE SAVED IT AND I SUAVED IT
AGAIN A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO
WHEN OIL WAS CRASHING BECAUSE OF
THE PANDEMIC.
WE SUAVED IT.
WE GOT, SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT
RELATIONSHIP.
WE GOT SAUDI ARABIA, MEXICO AND
RUSSIA TO CUT BACK, WAY BACK.
WE SAVED OUR OIL INDUSTRY AND
NOW IT'S VERY VEUB RANT.
AND EVERYBODY HAS VERY
INEXPENSIVE GASOLINE, REMEMBER
THAT.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN YOUR RESPONSE AND THEN A
FINAL QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU.
>> MAY RESPONSE IS THAT THOSE
PEOPLE LIVE ON WHAT THEY CALL
FENCE LINES.
HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
THEY LIVE NEAR CHEMICAL PLANTS
THAT IN FACT POLLUTE CHEMICAL
PLANTS AND OIL PLANTS AND
REFINERIES THAT POLLUTE.
I USED TO LIP NEAR THAT WHEN I
WAS GROWING UP IN CLAYMONT DEL
AWARE AND THE OIL REFINERIES, IN
THE DELAWARE RIVER THAN THERE IS
ANY PLACE INCLUDING IN HOUSTON
AT THE ACTUAL.
WHEN MY MOM WOULD GET IN THE CAR
WITH THE FIRST FROST TO DRIVE ME
TO SCHOOL, THERE WOULD BE AN OIL
SLUK ON THE WINDOW, THAT IS WHY
SO MANY PEOPLE IN MY STATE WERE
DYING AND GETTING CANCER.
THE FACT IS THOSE FRONT LINE
COMMUNITIES, IT DOESN'T MATTER
WHAT YOU ARE PAYING THEM, IT
MATTERS HOW YOU KEEP THEM SAFE.
WHAT DO YOU DO, AND YOU DON'T
YOU IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON
POLL-- POLLUTANTS COMING OUT OF
THOSE FENCE LINE COMMUNITIES.
>> WOULD HE CLOSE DOWN THE OIL
INDUSTRY, WOULD YOU CLOSE DOWN
THE OIL INDUSTRY.
>> I WOULD TRANSITION FROM THE
OIL INDUSTRY, YES, I WOULD
TRANSITION.
>> THAT SAY BUG STATEMENT.
>> ST A BIG STATEMENT BECAUSE I
WOULD STOP-- .
>> Welker: WHY WOULD YOU DO
THAT.
>> BECAUSE THE OIL INDUSTRY
POLLUTES SIGNIFICANTLY.
>> I SEE.
>> HERE IS THE DEAL.
>> IF YOU LET MAY FINISH THE
STAWMENT, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE
REPLACED BY RENEWABLE ENERGY,
OVER TIME.
OVER TIME.
AND I STOP GIVING TO THE OIL
INDUSTRY, I WOULD STOP GIVING
THEM FEDERAL SUBSIDIES.
HE WON'T GUFF FEDERAL SUBSIDIES
TO THE GAS-- TO SOLAR, AND WIND,
WHY ARE WE GIVING IT TO OIL
INDUSTRY.
>> WE DO GIVE IT TO SOLAR AND
WUND AND THAT IS MAYBE THE
BUGGEST STATEMENT IN TERMS OF
BUSINESS, THAT IS THE BIGGEST
STATEMENT BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT
HE IS SAYING IS HE IS GOING TO
DESTROY-- THE OIL INDUSTRY.
WOULD YOU REMEMBER THAT, TEXAS,
WILL YOU REMEMBER THAT
PENNSYLVANIA, OKLAHOMA.
>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN LET ME GIVE YOU TEN
SECRETARIES TO RESPOND.
>> HE TAKES EVERYTHING OUT OF
CONTEXT.
BUT THE POINT IS WE HAVE TO MOVE
TOWARD A NET ZERO HE
MOITION-- EMISSIONS.
THE FIRST PLACE TO DO THAT BY
THE YEAR 2035 IS IN ENERGY
REDUCTION, BY 2050 TOTALLY.
>> IS HE GOING TO GET CHINA TO
DO THAT.
IS HE GOING TO GET CHINA TO DO
IT.
>> Welker: LET'S MOVE ON TO
THE.
>> NO, I WILL REGAIN PAR ACE
CORD AND MAKE CHINA ABIDE BY
WHAT THEY AGREED TO.
>> Welker: THIS IS ABOUT
LEADERSHIP, GENTLEMEN.M
AND THIS FIRST QUESTION DOES GO
TO YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP.
IMAGINE THIS IS YOUR
INAUGURATION DAY.
WHAT WILL YOU SAY IN YOUR
ADDRESS TO AMERICA, TO AMERICANS
WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU.
YOU WILL EACH HAVE ONE MINUTE
STARTING WITH YOU.
>> WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY
TOTALLY SUCCESSFUL AS IT WAS
PRIOR TO THE PLAGUE COMING IN
FROM CHINA.
NOW WE ARE REBUILDING IT AND
DOING RECORD NUMBERS 11.4 UNTIL
IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME ET
CETERA.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, GO BACK,
BEFORE THE PLAGUE CAME IN, JUST
BEFORE, I WAS GETTING CALLS FROM
PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT NORMALLY
PEOPLE THAT WOULD CALL ME.
THEY WANTED TO GET TOGETHER.
WE HAD THE BEST BLACK
UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS IN THE
HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY.
HISPANIC, WOMEN, ASIAN, PEOPLE
WITH DIPLOMAS, WITH NO DIPLOMAS,
MUT GRADUATES, NUMBER ONE IN THE
CLASS, EVERYBODY HAS THE BEST
NUMBERS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THE OTHER
SIDE WANTED TO GET TOGETHER.
THEY WANTED TO UNIFY.
SUCCESS IS GOING TO BRING US
TOGETHER.
WE ARE ON THE ROAD TO SUCCESS.
BUT I'M CUTTING TAXES, AND HE
WANTS TO RAISE EVERYBODY'S TAXES
AND HE WANTS TO PUT NEW
REGULATIONS ON EVERYTHING.
HE WILL KILL IT, IF HE GETS IN,
WILL YOU HAVE A DEPRESSION THE
LIKES OF WHICH YOU HAVE NEVER
SEEN.
YOUR 401(K)S WILL GO TO HELL.
AND IT WILL BE A VERY, VERY SAD
DAY FOR THIS COUNTRY.
>> ALL RIGHT, VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN, SAME QUESTION TO YOU,
WHAT WILL YOU SAY DURING YOUR
INAUGURAL ADDRESS TO AMERICANS
WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU?
>> I WILL SAY I AM AN AN
AMERICAN PRESIDENT, I REPRESENT
ALL OF YOU WHETHER YOU VOTED FOR
ME OR AGAINST ME.
AND I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT
YOU ARE REPRESENTED.
I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU HOPE,
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE, WE'LL
CHOOSE SCIENCE OVER FICTION, WE
WILL CHOOSE HOPE OVER FEAR, WE
WILL CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD
BECAUSE WE HAVE ENORMOUS
OPPORTUNITY, ENORMOUS
OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THINGS
BETTER.
WE CAN GROW THIS ECONOMY, WE CAN
DEAL WITH THE SYSTEMIC RACISM,
AT THE SAME TIME AND MAKE SURE
OUR ECONOMY IS BEING RUN AND
MOVED AND MOTIVATED BY CLEAN
ENERGY, CREATING MILLIONS OF NEW
JOBS.
AND THAT'S THE FACT, THAT IS
WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
AND I'M GOING TO SAY AS I SAID
IN THE BEGINNING, WHAT IS ON THE
BALLOT HERE IS THE CHARACTER OF
THIS COUNTRY.
DECENCY, HONOR, RESPECT,
TREATING PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY,
MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS AN
EVEN CHANCE.
AND I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU
GET THAT.
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING IT THE
LAST FOUR YEARS.
>> Welker: ALL RIGHT, I WANT
TO THANK YOU BOTH FOR A VERY
ROBUST HOUR AND A HALF, A
FANTASTIC DEBATE, REALLY
APPRECIATE IT.
PRESIDENT TRUMP, FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN, THANK YOU
TO BELL MONTH UNIVERSITY FOR
HOSTING US TONIGHT.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THANK YOU
TO THOSE WATCHING TONIGHT.
ELECTION DAY IS NOVEMBER
3rd.
DON'T FORGET TO VOTE.
THANK YOU EVERYONE.
AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.
>> THANK YOU.
(APPLAUSE).
>> Woodruff: AND WITH THAT
MODERATOR KRISTEN WELKER WHO HAS
DONE A SUPERB JOB MODERATING
THIS DEBATE FOR THE LAST HOUR
AND A HALF THANKS THE
CANDIDATES, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
JOE BIDEN.
BOTH OF THESE MEN LANDED BLOWS
TONIGHT.
WE HEARD THEM GO AFTER EACH
OTHER'S CHARACTER.
WE HEARD THEM GO AFTER THEIR
POSITION ON THE ISSUES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME THIS WAS
MUCH CLOSER TO A REAL DEBATE
THAN WHAT WE SAW THE LAST TIME
THEY WERE TOGETHER A FEW WEEKS
AGO.
THEY TALKED ABOUT CLIMATE.
THEY TALKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
THEY COVERED FOREIGN POLICY.
THEY TALKED ABOUT CHINA.
THEY DISCUSSED RACE IN AMERICA.
THEY TALKED ABOUT HEALTH CARE.
AND ON.
THIS WAS A SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE.
I THINK A MUCH MORE VALUABLE
DEBATE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
THAN WHAT WE HEARD IN THE FIRST
DEBATE.
SO I'M JUDY WOODRUFF, WELCOME
BACK TO THE PBS NEWSHOUR SPECIAL
KORCHG OF THIS DEA BAIT.
I WANT TO GO QUICKLY TO OUR
REPORTERS, YAMICHE ALCINDOR,
LISA DESJARDINS AND NICK
SCHIFRIN, ALL OF THEM BACK WITH
ME, AND NICK, YOU COVER FOREIGN
AFFAIRS, NATIONAL SECURITIMENT I
WANT TO COME TO YOU FIRST
BECAUSE THAT CAME UP SU
PRICINGLY MORE, I THINK, THAN
PEOPLE EXPECTED IT TO.
IN THIS DEBATE, CHINA, NORTH
KOREA, IRAN, AND A LOT, NICK,
ABOUT ALLEGATIONS BY THE
PRESIDENT AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND
HIS SON HUNTER.
>> YEAH, JUDY, I AGREE WITH YOU,
THIS WAS A SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE.
THEY DID GET TO CORE
DISAGREEMENTS ON HOW THEY WOULD
GOVERN ON THE FUTURE ON CHINA.
THEY DISAGREED ON ELECTION
SECURITY, NORTH KOREA, HOPEFULLY
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, AND YES,
YOU ARE RIGHT.
THEY DID FINALLY ENGAGE ALSO
WITH A DESCENT AMOUNT OF
SUBSTANCE ON ALLEGATIONS THAT
REPUBLICANS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAVE BEEN WAGING AGAINST HUNTER
BIDEN.
SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF
THIS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP ACCUSED HUNTER
BIDEN BEING PART OF WHAT HE
CALLED A CORRUPT BIDEN FAMILY.
HE CITED CHINA, UKRAINE, RUSSIA
AND IRAQ.
AND THE CORE OF THE VICE
PRESIDENT'S DEFENSE IS THAT HIS
SON'S FOREIGN CONSULTING DID NOT
AFFECT HIS POLICY THROUGH HIS 30
PLUS YEARS IN WASHINGTON.
AND THAT HUNTER HIMSELF DID
NOTHING WRONG.
AND I THINK WE DO WANT TO DO A
LITTLE BIT OF A FACT CHECK
QUICKLY ON ALLEGATIONS IN CHINA.
THE ACCUSATION BY THE PRESIDENT 3
AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN THAT HUNTER
BIDEN SHOW GOT 1.5 BILLION
DOLLARS FROM CHINA.
QUICKLY JUDY, HUNTER WAS ON A
BOARD OF A CHINESE INVESTMENT
FIRM, THAT FIRM HAD STAKES IN
CHINA-- CHINESE COMPANIES THAT
MADE CAMERA, THAT HAD BEEN
ACTUALLY USED IN SHINJUNG TO
CRACK DOWN ON WEEINGERS, HAD
STAKES IN A COMPANY THAT MADE
CHINESE MILITARY JETS.
HUNTER'S LAWYER SAID THAT
MEMBERSHIP OF HIS, THAT HE HAD
ON THAT BOARD DID NOT PAY, AND
THAT 1.5 BILLION WAS ACTUALLY A
FUNDRAISING GOAL THAT THE
INVESTMENT FIRM HAD, NOT A
PAYMENT TO HUNTER.
AND THAT NONE OF IT WENT TO JOE
BIDEN.
>> Woodruff: AND AS WE HEARD
JOE BIDEN SAY REPEATEDLY DURING
THIS DEBATE, NONE OF THIS IS
TRUE.
IT DOESN'T ADD UP TO ANYTHING.
YAMICHE ALCINDOR, THE PRESIDENT,
WE SAW A PRESIDENT WHO WAS, YES,
HE WAS FORCEFUL BUT NOT
INTERRUPTING.
150 AND 160 TIMES AS IN THE
FIRST DEBATE.
WHAT DID YOU HEAR FROM THE
PRESIDENT TONIGHT THAT STOOD OUT
TO YOU?
>> WELL, JUDY, AS YOU JUST
NOTED, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS MUCH
MORE CONTROLLED, MUCH MORE IN A
TRADITIONAL SENSE, HAVING A
DEBATE WITH JOE BIDEN ON
SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES.
ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT CAME
UP, OF COURSE, IS THE PANDEMIC
AND THE CORONAVIRUS.
THE PRESIDENT WAS ON THE
DEFENSE.
HE SAID AT ONE POINT THAT THE
NEUTRAL ITERATE WAS DROPPING AND
SPIKES IN CASES WERE GONE IN
STATES LIKE FLORIDA AND TEXAS
AND ARIZONA, THAT IS NOT
COMPLETELY TRUE, IT HAS ACTUALLY
BEEN SPIKING AFTER THE SUMMER.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT
THE PRESIDENT WAS TALKING ABOUT
RACE AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED
PHYSICALLY ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD
SAY TO FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WOULD
TALK ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN AND
WARN THEM ABOUT THE POLICE, HE
SAID I'M THE LEAST RACIST PERSON
IN THE ROOM.
AND THEN HE WENT ON TO TALK
ABOUT ALL THE THINGS HE HAS BEEN
DOING WITH OTHER THINGS FOR
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES.
>> SO YES, THEY VERY MUCH
COVERED THAT SUBJECT.
AND LISA DESJARDINS, TO YOU, JOE
BIDEN WAS ON THE ATTACK AT A
NUMBER OF POWNTS IN THE DEBATE
BUT ALSO ON THE DEFENSIVE WHEN
HE WAS PRESSED WITH A QUESTION
ABOUT HIS RECORD, WHEN IT COMES
TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.
AND ON A NUMBER OF OTHERS, WHEN
PRESIDENT TRUMP CAME AFTER HIM,
ON HIS RECORD, ON CHINA.
AND ON CHINA TRADE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, TO ME BOTH OF
THESE MEN CAME ACROSS AS PEOPLE
WHO HAD PREPARED.
AND I THINK THAT IN JOE BIDEN'S
CASE, IT SEEMED LIKE MANY OF THE
BABE APPROACHES HE HAD PRACTICED
FOR MONTHS NOW DIDN'T SEEM LIKE
IT WAS SOMETHING SCRIPTED IT
SEEMED TO COME NATURALLY FROM
HIM.
AND I ESPECIALLY NOTICED WITH
THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT HE WAS
MORE DIRECT.
HE USED MORE SIMPLE LANGUAGE,
FEWER NUMBERS.
HE IS A POLICY GUY BUT HERE IN
TAKING THE EXAMPLE THAT YAMICHE
BROUGHT UP ON RACE, WHAT A
CONTRAST BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN.
AS THE PRESIDENTS WITH PIVOTINGK
DIDN'T ADDRESS THE FAMILIES OF
BLACK AMERICANS AS KRISTEN
WELKER ASKED HIM TO.
INSTEAD VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN
SAID THERE IS INSTITUTIONAL
RACISM IN AMERICA.
AND THAT WAS HIS APPROACH TO
MANY ISSUES.
CLIMATE CHANGE, THAT IS AN
EXISTENTIAL THREAT, BIDEN SAID.
AND EVEN WHEN HE WAS UNDER
ATTACK WE ALSO HEARD A MORE
DIRECT BIDEN ON THAT SAYING TO
THE PRESIDENT, VOTERS ARE VOTING
FOR ME.
THEY ARE NOT VOTING FOR BERNIE
SANDERS.
THIS NONSENSE IS ABOUT ME TAKING
MEDICARE IS NONSENSE.
THAT WAS A MORE DIRECT BIDEN.
IDEAS HE HAD BEFORE BUT I THINK
THE MOST DIRECT AND SIMPLE THAT
I HAVE HEARD HIM
EXPRESS-- EXPRESS THOSE IDEAS.
>> Woodruff: HE MADE USE OF
THE TECHNIQUE IN THE FIRST
DEBATE WHERE HE WOULD LOOK AT
THE CAMERA, TALK TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
AND AT SEVERAL POINTS TONIGHT,
REFERRING TO CHARACTER BEING ON
THE BALLOT.
HE SAID THAT EARLY IN THIS
DEBATE AND HE USED THE FINAL
QUESTION FROM KRISTEN WELKER
WHEN SHE ASKED BOTH OF THEM WHAT
THEY WOULD SAY IF THEY WERE
ELECTED, TO AMERICANS WHO DIDN'T
VOTE FOR THEM.
JOE BIDEN REPEATING WHAT HE HAD
SAID BEFORE ABOUT CHARACTER
BEING ON THE BALLOT.
I WANT TO BRING IN OUR ANALYST
NOW WHO ARE ALSO JOINING US AIM
AMY WALTER OF THE COOK POLITICAL
REPORT, ALSO HOST OF PUBLIC
RADIO'S POLITICS WITH AMY
WALTER.
GARY ABERNATHY IS CONTRIBUTING
COLUMNIST FOR "THE WASHINGTON
POST."
HE JOINS FROM CINCINNATI AND
CYNTHIA TUCKER A SYNDICATED
COLUMNIST AND JOURNALIST IN
RESIDENCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
SOUTH ALABAMA.
AMY, YOUR MAIN TAKE AWAY.
>> WHAT A DIFFERENCE A SICKED
DEBATE MAKES, RIGHT?
THIS WAS SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
WE HAD SEEN OF ABOUT.
BUT ALSO MAYBE WHAT WE WERE
EXPECTING, YOU KNOW.
THE SORT OF PREGAMING FROM THE
TRUMP SIDE WAS THAT THE
PRESIDENT WAS GOING TO COME IN
SWINGING.
NOW HE DEFINITELY TRIED TO PLAY
ON THE OFFENSE BUT WITHOUT THE
INTERRUPTING, WITHOUT TALKING
OVER THE MODERATOR.
HE WAS ALSO A MUCH MORE
DISCIPLINED CANDIDATE THAN WE
HAVE SEEN IN RECENT TIMES.
AND HE STAYED VERY FOCUSED ON
WHAT HE WANTED TO GET ACROSS.
AND NAMELY IT WAS IN MESSAGE.
JOE BIDEN, YOU HAVE BEEN THERE,
IN WASHINGTON FOR ALMOST 50
YEARS.
WERE YOU IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR
EIGHT YEARS.
WHY DIDN'T YOU DO ALL THE THINGS
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SO I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS MUCH
MORE EFFECTIVE IN DELIVERING A
MESSAGE AGAINST JOE BIDEN THAN
WE HAVE EVEN BEFORE.
IMIEDEN HIMSELF REALLY ONLY HAD
TO COME INTO THIS AND NOT LOSE,
BUT HE WAS DOING MORE THAN JUST
PLAYING PREVENT DEFENSE.
HE WAS ACTUALLY GOING ON THE
OFFENSE TOO, ESPECIALLY VERY
EARLY ON, REALLY PUTTING THE
PRESIDENT ON POINT, ON ISSUES OR
TAKING INTO TASK, ESPECIALLY ON
COVID AND HIS RESPONSE AND
MANAGEMENT.
COVID CRISIS WHICH, OF COURSE,
BIDEN PAINTED AS BEING REALLY
POOR.
FINALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY,
JUDY, THIS HAS BEEN AN
INCREDIBLE YEAR WITH SO MUCH TUM
ULT, SO MUCH CHAOS, SO MANY
THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
AND YET OPINIONS ABOUT THIS
PRESIDENT HAVE REALLY NOT
CHANGED ALL THAT MUCH.
THE FIRST DEBATE CERTAINLY HAD
AN IMPACT ON THE OVERALL GAP
BETWEEN BIDEN AND TRUMP.
BIDEN OPENED HIS LEAD AFTER THAT
FIRST DEBATE.
THE QUESTION NOW IS IS A NORMAL
DID HE BAIT GOOD ENOUGH, TEN
DAYS OUT FOR TRUMP TO CLOSE WHAT
IS STILL A HISTORICALLY LARGE
DEFICIT FOR AN INCUMBENT
PRESIDENT THIS CLOSE TO ELECTION
DAY.
>> AND GARY ABERNATHY, I'M GOING
TO PUT THAT QUESTION TO YOU,
BECAUSE THAT IS THE QUESTION ON
MY MIND.
THE PRESIDENT WAS ABLE TO
DELIVER WHAT WE CALL A MORE
TRADITIONAL DEBATE TO
PARTICIPATE EVEN THOUGH HE HAD
SOME TOUGH VERY TOUGH MOMENTS IN
THIS DEBATE.
BUT IS IT GOING TO HELP HIM.
DOES IT CHANGE THE EQUATION IN
SOME WAY?
>> I YOU KNOW JUDY, AND AMY'S
POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
THIS ALWAYS RAISES THE QUESTION
FOR PRESIDENT WHO WANT TRUMP TO
BE SUCCESSFUL.
WHAT IS THIS WAS THE TRUMP WE
HAD ALL THE TIME.
WHAT IF THIS WAS THE TRUMP THAT
SHOWED UP AT EVERY DEBATE AND
EVERY PRESS CONFERENCE AND
CONDUCTED HIMSELF IN A MORE
QUOTE UNQUOTE PRESIDENTIAL WAY.
ST ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT
WILL ALWAYS BE FRUSTRATING
BECAUSE WHEN HE DOES DO IT HE IS
VERY EFFECTIVE AT IT AND DOESN'T
DISTRACT ALL THESE SIDE ISSUES
WHEN HE GETS IN HIS OWN WAY AND
IS HIS OWN WORST ENEMY.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE BOTH VERY,
VERY GOOD TONIGHT.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE BOTH
PREPARED.
I THOUGHT THE CORONAVIRUS
DISCUSSION WAS THE MOST
INTERESTING TO ME OF THE WHOLE
NIGHT.
I FELT LIKE YOU KNOW, BIDEN IN
PAINTING A DARK DARK PICTURE MAY
BE GOING TOO DARK SOMETIMES,
TALKING ABOUT THIS DARK WINTER
THAT IS AHEAD OF US.
AND PEOPLE ARE LEARNING TO DIE.
>> Welker: REFERRING TO DEATH.
>> AMERICANS DO LIKE OPTIMISM, A
LITTLE MORE THAN PESSIMISTIC,
BUT OVERALL I THOUGHT IT WAS
INFORMATIVE AN AMERICANS HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO SIT DOWN
AND REALLY LEARN ABOUT THE
DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THESE TWO
CANDIDATES AND THE REAL WINNER
TO ME WAS KRISTEN WELKER WHO DID
A FANTASTIC JOB.
JOURNALISM IS A WINNER TONIGHT,
ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THE
TOWNHALL THAT HAPPENED LAST
WEEK, THE RESPECTIVE TOWNHALLS
WHERE I THINK ONE WAS TOO TOUGH
AND ONE WAS TOO SOFT, AND KIND
OF LIKE THE THREE BEARS, THIS
ONE WAS JUST RIGHT.
>> Woodruff: I THINK WE ARE
ALL IN AGREEMENT SO FAR THAT
KRISTEN WELKER DID A SUPERB JOB.
CYNTHIA TUCKER, WHAT ABOUT, MORE
ABOUT JOE BIDEN.
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE
SAYING HE DID WHAT HE NEEDED TO
DO HE DIDN'T HURT HIMSELF.
WHAT DID YOU HEAR FROM HIM THAT
WILL STAY WITH YOU IN DAYS TO
COME?
>> WELL, WHAT HE GAVE THAT I
THOUGHT WAS STELLAR, ONE WAS THE
RESPONSE HE GAVE TO THE QUESTION
THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT BLACK
FAMILIES AND THE TALK.
WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT
THAT HE NEVER HAD TO TELL HIS
CHILDREN HOW TO RESPOND IF YOU
ARE PULLED OVER BY A POLICE
OFFICER SO YOU WON'T GET SHOT.
THE OTHER ANSWER THAT I THOUGHT
WAS STELLAR WAS THE FINAL
ANSWER.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO
DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU?
AND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF
THE BIGGEST DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SPENT FOUR
YEARS PLAYING TO HIS BASE,
PLAYING TO THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED
FOR HIM, HIS ARDENT SUPPORTERS.
AND JOE BIDEN HAS COME INTO THIS
CAMPAIGN TALKING ABOUT BRINGING
AMERICANS BACK TOGETHER.
HAVING THOSE, CLOSING THE
WOUNDS, HEALING THE WOUNDS, THAT
DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS A PERFECT
NIGHT FOR BIEDERN BY ANY MEANS.
HE STUMBLED IN SOME PLACES.
AND I THOUGHT PRESIDENT TRUMP
LANDED SOME EFFECTIVE BLOWS,
PARTICULARLY IN TALKING ABOUT
THE CRIME BILL, BIDEN STILL IS
ON THE DEFENSIVE ABOUT THE CRIME
BILL WHICH DID HELP MASSIVE AID,
MASS INCARCERATION AND I THOUGHT
THE LINE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE
BEEN IN WASHINGTON SO LONG, WHY
DIDN'T YOU ACCOMPLISH THESE
THINGS BEFORE, WAS EFFECTIVE FOR
THE PRESIDENT.
BUT I ALSO THOUGHT THAT THE
PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER
OFF TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE PLANS
TO DO FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
AND NOT JUST ATTACKING.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH WE
HEARD LESS ATTACKING THAN IN THE
LAST DEBATE THERE STILL WAS A
LOT OF IT IN THIS DEBATE,
FINALLY I WANT TO TURN TO OUR
SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT
AMNA NAWAZ, SHE WAS WATCHING
ALONG WITH A GROUP OF AMERICAN
VOTERS AS PART OF OUR VOICE OF
THE VOTERS PROTECT-- PROJECT.
AMNA, ARE YOU GETTING A SENSE AT
THIS POINT OF THEIR REACTION?
>> YEAH, JUDY, I HAD A QUICK
CHANCE TO CHECK IN WITH OUR SIX
VOTERS JOINING US FROM AROUND
THE COUNTRY, FROM OIL OY,
CALIFORNIA, NEW JERSEY, SOUTH
CAROLINA AND GEORGIA.
QUICK TAKE AWAY, EVERYBODY WAS
SORT OF IMPRESSED WITH THE
DEBATE.
I THINK THE BAR WAS SO LOW AFTER
THE LAST TIME THESE TWO MEN
FACED OFF.
THESE ARE VOTE ERRS WHO HAVE
BEEN ENGAGED AND WATCHING AND
THEY WATCHED THE TOWNHALLS.
THEY ARE KEEPING UP AND SEEING
WHAT THE CANDIDATES ARE DOING
AND SAYING.
THEY WALKED AWAY WERE THIS
DEBATE MOSTLY SAYING THEY FELT
INFORMED.
MANY OF THEM ALREADY LEANING
TOWARDS ONE CANDIDATE OR THE
OTHER.
I DON'T KNOW YET IF ANYONE
CHANGED THEIR MIND BUT THEY DID
SAY THEY THOUGHT THIS WAS THE
BEST DEBATE SO FAR.
I WILL SHARE ONE DEMOCRAT ON THE
PANEL ALSO SAID HE WAS
ASTONISHED BY THE PRESIDENT'S
PERFORMANCE IN A GOOD WAY.
HE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST AND
MOST SORT OF BEST PERFORMANCE
FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP SO FAR.
A FEW OTHER QUICK TAKE AWARES.
PRAISE ALL AROUND FOR THE
MODERATOR.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST
MODERATED DEBATE SO FAR.
THEY ALSO FELT THAT THEY, TALKED
MORE ABOUT THAWR RECORD AS
CANDIDATES BEFORE AND NOT SO
MUCH ABOUT THE FUTURE.
THEY LIKED TO FOCUS ON THE
POLICY AND ON THE ISSUES AND ONE
THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THIS
GROUP OF VOTERS WHO HAVE BEEN
WITH US AFTER EACH DEBATE
INCLUDING THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATE, THEY COME FROM BOTH
SIDES OF THE AISLE.
THEY ARE VERY MUCH ENGAGED AND
THEY COME TOGETHER EVERY TIME WE
GATHER.
AND SPEAK CIVILLY, EVEN THOUGH
THEY DISAGREE POLITICALLY, THEY
ENGAGE AND THEY TALK AND THEY
LISTEN AND WE WILL BE CONTINUING
THAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT EVEN
MORE.
SO I HOPE PEOPLE WILL JOIN US
AND LISTEN IN TO WHAT THESE
FOLKS HAVE TO SAY, JUDY.
>> NO QUESTION.
SUCH AN IMPORTANT POINT YOU
MADE, ABOUT EXPECTATIONS.
PEOPLE COME INTO THESE DEBATES
WITH A CERTAIN SET OF
EXPECTATIONS AND ARE YOU RIGHT,
THE BAR WAS LOW AFTER THE FIRST
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.
AND JUST QUICKLY AMNA, MY SENSE
IS THESE VOTERS WERE ALREADY
LEANING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
YOU DON'T HEAR THEM CHANGING
THEIR MIENLD.
>> NOT YET.
I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO BE
ASKING THAT QUESTION.
OF THE SIX VOTER THERE IS ONE
WHO COMES FROM A BACKGROUND, A
REPUBLICAN FAMILY WHO BELIEVES
IS HE LEANING TOWARDS BIDEN.
WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN GET AN
ANSWER OUT OF HIM TONIGHT BUT A
LOT MORE TO COME WITH THESE
VOTERS AND WE WILL CONTINUE THAT
CONVERSATION, JUDY?
>> AND THAT, I KNOW WE WILL ALL
BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
WE HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES LEFT.
I WANT TO COME BACK TO OUR
CORRESPONDENT COVERING THE WHITE
HOUSE AND JOE BIDEN.
LISA, TO YOU AGAIN.
WHERE DOES JOE BIDEN GO FROM
HERE?
IT IS HIS CAMPAIGN SENSE HE DID
THE WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO
TONIGHT, WHAT DOES HE NEED TO DO
BETWEEN NOW AND THE ELECTION?
>> THIS IS NOW A STRATEGIC
CAMPAIGN FOCUSED ON A FEW
STATES.
AMY KNOWS THEM, A LOT OF OUR
VIEWERS KNOW THEM, THAT IS WHAT
STOOD UP TO ME IN THIS DEBATE AS
WELL.
YOU HEARD PRESIDENT TRUMP
MENTION THOSE, HE KNOWS OR NIEDS
TO MAKE UP GROUND OR GET BACK TO
WHERE HE WAS IN 2016.
I THINK WITHIN 20 MINUTES
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD MENTIONED
MICHIGAN, NORTH CAROLINA.
HE TALKED ABOUT ECONOMIC AFFECTS
THERE, AND THEN HE ALSO TOOK A
SHOT AT JOE BIDEN AND
PENNSYLVANIA, YOU MIGHT HAVE
HEARD HIM SAY BIED SEN NOT
REALLY FROM SCRANTON, IN FACT
BIDEN WAS BORN IN SCRANTON,
SPENT HIS SCHOOL YEARS IN
SCRANTON AS A YOUNG BOY.
BUT THAT JUST SHOWS WHERE THIS
BATTLE IS.
AND WHERE BIDEN NEEDS TO GO.
WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
HE NEEDS TO FOCUS ON THOSE
STATES, PENNSYLVANIA, NORTH
CAROLINA, HIGH ON THE LIST.
>> YEAH, WE NOTICED THAT HE MADE
A POINT OF MENTIONING THESE
CRUCIAL, CRUCIAL STATES FOR HIM,
THAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO WIN.
IN ORDER TO WIN THIS ELECTION.
SO YAMICHE, WHAT ABOUT THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN WHAT DO THEY NEED TO
DO.
DO THEY THINK THEY NEED TO DO
BETWEEN NOW AND VOTING DAY?
>> I SHOULD SAY THE END OF
VOTING.
>> WELL, PRESIDENT TRUMP REALLY
FEELS LIKE HE NEEDS TO DO TWO
THINGSK ONE IS CONTINUE TO
DEFEND HIS RESPONSE TO THE
CORONAVIRUS.
HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE GOING FLUP
39 STATES INCLUDING IN
WISCONSIN, MUCH MITCH, OHIO THE
SAME STATES THAT LISA AND AMY
TALK ABOUT A LOT.
THE PRESIDENT UNDER STANDS THAT
HE NEEDS NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO GO TO
THOSE STATES, WE WILL SEE HIM
CRISSCROSSING, GOING TO RALLY
AFTER RALLY, THAT AMERICANS NEED
TO MOVE PAST.
THIS THE PROBLEM IS THE FACTS
ARE NOT ON HIS SIDE A LOT OF
TIMES AND WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF
THESE SPIKES GO INTO STATES THAT
HE NEEDS TO WIN.
ANOTHER THING TO KNOW IS THE
PRESIDENT NEEDS TO CONNECT WITH
MORE AMERICANS.
JUST CAME BACK FROM FLORIDA AND
THE PRESIDENT THERE, HE REALLY
IS STRUGGLING WITH IN SOME KEY
AREAS ESPECIALLY AMONG SENIORS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE PRESIDENT CARES
ABOUT THEM, HE STUMBLED ON THAT
QUESTION.
WHEN ASKED HOW DOES HE CARE AND
THINK ABOUT BLACK FAMILIES.
DID HE NOT HAVE A PERSONAL
ANSWER.
WHEN HE WAS DEPENDING HIMSELF ON
SEPARATED QUHIRN AND 500 PARENTS
NOT ABLE TO BE LOCATED.
HE SAID STILL THE KIDS ARE BEING
TREATED WELL.
AND THAT RIGHT THERE ARE THE
KIND OF ANSWERS THAT WILL HURT
HIM AMONG SUBURBAN WOMEN AND
SENIORS.
>> Woodruff: AND I KEEP THINK
BEING HIS STATEMENT THAT I HAVE
BEEN THE BEST PRESIDENT THE
COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD FOR
AFRICAN-AMERICAN, FOR BLACK
AMERICANS EXCEPT MAYBE FOR
ABRAHAM LINCOLN WHICH JOE
GUIDEEN TURNED AROUND AND SAID
ABRAHAM LINCOLN, HERE HAS BEEN
THE MOST RACIST PRESIDENT WE
EVER HAD, ONE OF THE MORE
MEMORABLE EXCHANGES IN THE
DEBATE.
>> WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO ALL OF
YOU FOR WATCHING WHAT WE SAID
WAS MORE OF A REAL DEBATE
TONIGHT THANKED WHAT WE
WIDTHNESSED THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN
JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP,
FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP MET IN THAT
FIRST DEBATE.
SO FOR NOW THAT CONCLUDES THE
PBS FUSHOUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF
THIS DEBATE IT IS THE LAST ONE,
ONLY ABOUT TEN DAYS LEFT UNTIL
ELECTION DAY.
I WANT TO THANK AGAIN OUR
CORRESPONDENT YAMICHE ALCINDOR,
LISA DESJARDINS, NICK SCHIFRIN
AND OF COURSE AMNA NAWAZ AND OUR
PANEL AMY WALTER, GARY ABERNATHY
AND CYNTHIA TUCKER AND ON THE
PBS FUSHOUR ONLINE, OUR COVERAGE
WILL CONTINUE, AMNA WILL BE
TALKING LIVE WITH THAT PANEL OF
VOTERS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS, THAT
STARTS RIGHT NOW AT PBS.ORG
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THANK YOU, STAY SAFE AND GOOD
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