>> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING I'M

JUDY WOODRUFF AND WELCOME TO THE

PBS NEWSHOUR SPECIAL

UNINTERRUPTED COVERAGE OF THE

FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF

THIS 2020 ELECTION.

IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS PRESIDENT

DONALD TRUMP AND FORMER VICE

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN WILL BE ON

STAGE AT THE CURB EVENT CENTER

IN BELL MONTH UNIVERSITY IN

NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE.

JUST THIS WEEK THE DEBATE

COMMISSION MADE A CHANGE IN THE

DEBATE RULES.

ONE CANDIDATE'S MICROPHONE WILL

NOW BE MUTED WHILE HIS OPPONENT

DELIVERS AN INITIAL TWO MINUTE

LONG ANSWER AT THE START OF EACH

OF SIX TOPIC SEGMENTS.

THE TOPICS TONIGHT CHOSEN BY THE

MODERATOR ARE: FIGHTING

COVID-19.

AMERICAN FAMILIES.

RACE IN AMERICA.

CLIMATE CHANGE.

NATIONAL SECURITY.

AND LEADERSHIP.

THE FINAL DEBATE HAS IN THE PAST

FOCUSED ON FOREIGN POLICY, AND

THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN COMPLAINED

ABOUT THE CHANGES MADE AS A

RESULT OF THE CANCELATION OF THE

SECOND DEBATE WHICH THE

COMMISSION DECIDED WOULD HAVE TO

BE DONE VIRTUALLY.

THIS DEBATE ON THE LATEST KAL

ENDER DATE IN RECENT HIS IT TREE

COMES AS THE CORONAVIRUS

INFECTION RATE IS AGAIN RISING

ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

AND AFTER THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF

CONTRACTED THE VIRUS THREE WEEKS

AGO.

THIS MATCHUP COMES AS EARLY

VOTING CONTINUES AND AT AN

HISTORIC PACE IN ALL 50 STATES

WITH MORE THAN 47 MILLION

AMERICANS HAVING ALREADY VOTED.

TONIGHT'S MODERATOR IS KRISTEN

WELKER OF NBC NEWS.

TO HER IN A MOMENT BUT JOINING

ME TONIGHT FOR OUR SPECIAL

COVERAGE ARE PBS NEWSHOUR WHITE

HOUSE CORRESPONDENT YAMICHE

ALCINDOR.

CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT LISA

DESJARDINS WHO IS COVERING THE

BIDEN CAMPAIGN, FOREIGN AFFAIRS

AND DEFENSE CORRESPONDENT NICK

SCHIFRIN AND SENIOR NATIONAL

CORRESPONDENT AMNA NAWAZ WILL BE

WATCHING THE DEBATE ALONG WITH

SEVERAL VOTERS LUNKED IN

VIRTUALLY FROM AROUND THE

COUNTRY.

PLUS AMY WALTER OF THE COOK

"POLITICO" REPORT, ALONG WITH

"WASHINGTON POST" CONTRIBUTING

COLUMNIST GARY ABERNATHY IN

OHIO, AND SINNED

YAIT-- SYNDICATED COLUMNIST

CYNTHIA TUCKER IN ALABAMA.

WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU, WE ARE SO

GLAD TO HAVE YOU WHERE US.

IN THE LITTLE BIT OF TIME WE

HAVE BEFORE WE GO TO THE DEBATE,

YAMISH ALCINDOR WHAT IS IT THAT

THE PRESIDENT HOPES TO

ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT.

>> WE CAN EXPECT ANOTHER ALL-OUT

BRAWL, HE WILL BE ACCUSING JOE

BIDEN MANY, MANY TIMES OF

CORRUPTION THROUGH HIS SON

HUNTER BIDEN.

THE PRESIDENT WILL ALSO BE

VIGOROUSLY DEFENDING HIS

RESPONSE TO THE CORONAVIRUS AS

WELL AS ATTACKING THE MODERATOR

WHICH HE HAS ALREADY STARTED TO

DO.

>> AND ALYSSA DESJARDINS QUICKLY

THE BIETDEN CAMPAIGN-- BIDEN

CAMPAIGN IN A FEW SECONDS, THEIR

GOAL.

>> THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S RECORD.

>> WE ARE CUTTING YOU SHORT IN

ORDER TO GO TO MODERATOR KRISTEN

WELKER, SHE IS ON STAGE.

SHE IS ABOUT TO INTRODUCE THE

CANDIDATES.

PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN.

>> Welker: GOOD EVENING FROM

BELL MONTH UNIVERSITY IN

NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE.

I'M KRISTEN WELKER OF NBC NEWS

AND I WELCOME YOU TO THE FINAL

2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN

PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP AND

FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.

TONIGHT'S DEBATE IS SPONSORED BY

THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL

DEBATES.

ST CONDUCTED UNDER HEALTH AND

SAFETY PROTOCOLS DESIGNED BY THE

COMMISSION'S HEALTH SECURITY

ADVISOR.

THE AUDIENCE HERE IN THE HALL

HAS PROMISED TO REMAIN SILENT.

NO CHEERS, BOOS OR OTHER

INTERRUPTIONS EXCEPT RIGHT NOW

AS WE WELCOME TO THE STAGE

FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN

AND PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP.

(APPLAUSE).

>> Welker: AND I DO WANT TO

SAY A VERY GOOD EVENING TO BOTH

OF YOU.

THIS DEBATE WILL COVER SIX MAJOR

TOPICS.

AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH SECTION

EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE TWO

MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED TO ANSWER.

MY FIRST QUESTION, THE DEBATE

COMMISSION WILL THEN TURN ON

THEIR MICROPHONE ONLY WHEN IT IS

THEIR TURN TO ANSWER.

AND THE COMMISSION WILL TURN IT

OFF EXACTLY WHEN THE TWO MINUTES

HAVE EXPIRED.

AFTER THAT BOTH MICROPHONES WILL

REMAIN ON BUT ON BEHALF OF THE

VOTERS I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO

PLEASE KEEP ONE AT A TIME.

THE GOAL IS FOR YOU TO HEAR EACH

OTHER AND FOR THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE TO HEAR EVERY WORD OF

WHAT YOU BOTH HAVE TO SAY.

AND SO WITH THAT, IF YOU ARE

READY, LET'S START.

AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE FIGHT

AGAINST THE CORONAVIRUS.

PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE FIRST

QUESTION IS FOR YOU.

THE COUNTRY IS HEADING INTO A

DANGEROUS NEW PHASE.

MORE THAN 40,000 AMERICANS ARE

IN THE HOSPITAL TONIGHT WITH

COVID, INCLUDING RECORD NUMBERS

HERE IN TENNESSEE.

AND SINCE THE TWO OF YOU LAST

SHARED A STAGE, 16,000 AMERICANS

HAVE DIED FROM COVID.

SO PLEASE BE SPECIFIC.

HOW WOULD YOU LEAD THE COUNTRY

DURING THIS NEXT STAGE OF THE

CORONAVIRUS CRISIS.

TWO MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED.

>> SO AS YOU KNOW, 2.2 MILLION

PEOPLE, MODELED OUT WERE

EXPECTED TO DIE.

WE CLOSED UP THE GREATEST

ECONOMY IN THE WORLD IN ORDER TO

FIGHT THIS HORRIBLE DISEASE THAT

CAME FROM CHINA.

IT IS A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC.

IT'S ALL OVER THE WORLD.

YOU SEE THE SPIKES IN EUROPE AND

MANY OTHER PLACES RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU NOTICED, THE MORTALITY

RATE IS DOWN 85%.

THE EXCESS MORTALITY RATE IS WAY

DOWN AND MUCH LOWER THAN ALMOST

ANY OTHER COUNTRY.

AND WE'RE FIGHTING IT AND WE'RE

FIGHTING IT HARD.

THERE IS A SPIKE.

THERE WAS A SPIKE IN FLORIDA,

AND IT'S NOW GONE.

THERE WAS A VERY BIG SPIKE IN

TEXAS, IT'S NOW GONE.

THERE WAS A VERY BIG SPIKE IN

ARIZONA, IT'S NOW GONE.

AND THERE WERE SOME SPIKES AND

SURGES IN OTHER PLACES.

THEY WILL SOON BE GONE.

WE HAVE A VACCINE THAT'S COMING.

IT'S READY.

IT'S GOING TO BE ANNOUNCED

WITHIN WEEKS.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE DELIVERED.

WE HAVE OPERATION WARP SPEED

WHICH IS THE, THE MILITARY IS

GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THE VACCINE.

I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL

EXPERIENCE THAT, I WAS IN THE

HOSPITAL.

I HAD IT.

AND I GOT BETTER.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAD

SOMETHING THAT THEY GAVE ME, A

THERAPEUTIC, I GUESS THEY WOULD

CALL IT, SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY

IT WAS A CURE BUT I WAS IN FOR A

SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND I GOT

BETTER VERY FAST OR I WOULDN'T

BE HERE TONIGHT.

AND NOW THEY SAY I'M IMMUNE,

WHETHER IN FOUR MONTHS OR A

LIFETIME, NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE

TO SAY THAT, BUT I'M IMMUNE.

MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING

BETTER.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT IS A

WORLDWIDE PROBLEM.

THIS IS A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM.

BUT I HAVE BEEN CONGRATULATED BY

THE HEADS OF MANY COUNTRIES ON

WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO

WITH THE, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT

WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF

GOGGLES AND MASKS AND GOWNS AND

EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IN

PARTICULAR VENTILATORS.

WE ARE NOW MAKING VENTILATORS

ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS A MONTH,

DISTRIBUTING THEM ALL OVER THE

WORLD.

IT WILL GO AWAY.

AND AS I SAY, WE'RE ROUNDING THE

TURN, WE'RE ROUNDING THE CORNER.

IT'S GOING AWAY.

>> Welker: OKAY, FORMER VICE

PRESIDENT BIDEN, TO YOU, HOW

WOULD YOU LEAD THE COUNTRY OUT

OF THIS CRISIS, YOU HAVE TWO

MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED.

>> 220,000 AMERICANS DEAD.

IF YOU HEAR NOTHING ELSE I SAY

TONIGHT TO THIS, ANYONE WHO IS

RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT TAKING

CONTROL, IN FACT, NOT SAYING, I

TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY I

SNISHALLY.

ANYONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR

THAT MANY DEATHS SHOULD NOT

REMAIN AS PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE

ARE THOUSAND A THOUSAND DEATHS A

DAY NOW.

A THOUSAND DEATHS A DAY.

AND THERE ARE OVER 70,000 NEW

CASES PER DAY.

COMPARED TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN

EUROPE AS THE NEW ENGLAND

MEDICAL JOURNAL SAID, THEY'RE

STARTING FROM A VERY LOW RATE.

WE'RE STARTING FROM A VERY HIGH

RATE.

THE EXPECTATION IS WE'LL HAVE

ANOTHER 200,000 AMERICANS DEAD

BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE

YEAR.

WE JUST WORE THESE MASKS, THE

PRESIDENT'S OWN ADVISOR TOLD

HIM, WE COULD SAVE 100,000

LIVES.

AND WE'RE IN A CIRCUMSTANCES

WHERE THE PRESIDENT THUS FAR

STILL HAS NO PLAN.

NO EXENSIVE PLAN.

WHAT I WOULD DO IS MAKE SURE WE

HAVE EVERYONE ENCOURAGED TO WEAR

A MASK ALL THE TIME.

I WOULD MAKE SURE WE MOVE IN THE

DIRECTION OF RAPID TESTING,

INVESTING IN RAPID TESTING.

I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE SET UP

NATIONAL STANDARDS OF HOW TO

OPEN UP SCHOOLS AND OPEN UP

BUSINESSES SO THEY CAN BE SAFE

AND GIVE THEM THE WHEREWITHAL,

THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO BE

ABLE TO DO THAT.

WE'RE IN A SITUATION NOW WHERE

THE NEW ENGLAND MEDICAL JOURNAL,

ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS JOURNALS

IN THE WHOLE WORLD SAID FOR THE

FIRST TIME EVER THAT THE WAY

THIS PRESIDENT HAS RESPONDED TO

THIS CRISIS HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY

TRAGIC.

AND SO FOLKS, I WILL TAKE CARE

OF THIS.

I WILL END THIS.

I WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PLAN.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP, I

WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOWUP WITH YOU

AND YOUR COMMENTS.

YOU TALKED ABOUT TAKING A

THERAPEUTIC.

I ASSUME YOU ARE REFERENCING

REGENERON, YOU ALSO SAID A

VACCINE WILL BE COMING WITHIN

WEEKS.

>> YES.

>> Welker: IS THAT A

GUARANTEE.

>> NO, IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE,

BUT IT WILL BE BY THE END OF THE

YEAR, BUT I THINK IT HAS A GOOD

CHANCE, TWO COMPANIES I THINK

WITHIN A MATTER OF WEEKS AND IT

WILL BE DRUBTED VERY QUICKLY.

>> Welker: YOU CAN TELL WHICH

JOHN.

>> JOHNSON & JOHNSON, MODERN IS

DOING WELL, PFIZER IS DOING VERY

WELL, AND WE HAVE NUMEROUS

OTHERS.

THEN WE ALSO HAVE OTHERS THAT WE

ARE WORKING ON VERY CLOSELY WITH

OTHER COUNTRIES IN PARTICULAR,

EUROPE.

>> Welker: LET ME FOLLOWUP

WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS IS NEW

INFORMATION.

YOU HAVE SAID A VACCINE IS

COMING SOON, WITHIN WEEKS NOW,

YOUR OWN OFFICIALS SAY IT COULD

TAKE WELL INTO 2021, FOR THE

EARLIEST FOR ENOUGH AMERICANS TO

GET VACCINATED AND EVEN THEN

THEY SAY THE COUNTRY WILL BE

WEARING MASKS AND DOES TANSING

INTO 2022, IS YOUR TIME LINE

REALISTIC.

>> I THINK MY TIME LINE WILL BE

MORE ACCURATE, I DON'T KNOW THAT

THEY ARE COUNTING ON THE

MILITARY THE WAY I DO.

WE HAVE OUR GENERALS LINED UP,

ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT IS THE

HEAD OF LOGISTICS.

AND THIS IS A VERY EASY

DISTRIBUTION FOR HIM, HE IS

READY TO GO AS SOON AS WE HAVE

THE VACCINE, WE EXPECT TO HAVE A

HUNDRED MILLION VIELS.

AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE VACCINE,

HE'S READY TO GO.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN, YOUR REACTION, AND JUST

40% OF AMERICANS SAY THEY WOULD

DEFINITELY AGREE TO TAKE THE

CORONAVIRUS VACCINE IF IT WAS

APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

WHAT STEPS WOULD YOU TAKE TO

GIVE AMERICANS CONFIDENCE IN A

VACCINE IF IT WERE APPROVED.

>> MAKE SURE IT IS TOTALLY

TRANSPARENT.

HAVE THE SCIENCE, WE'LL SEE IT,

KNOW IT, LOOK AT IT, GO THROUGH

ALL THE PROCESSES.

AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS THE SAME

FELLOW WHO TOLD YOU THIS IS

GOING TO END BY EASTER LAST

TIME.

THIS IS THE SAME FELLA WHO TOLD

YOU THAT DON'T WORRY, WE'RE

GOING TO END THIS BY THE SUMMER.

WE ARE ABOUT TO GO INTO A DARK

WINTER.

A DARK WINTER.

AND HE HAS NO CLEAR PLAN AND

THERE'S NO PROSPECT THAT THERE

IS GOING TO BE A VACCINE

AVAILABLE FOR THE MAJORITY OF

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE THE

MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,

YOUR REACTION, HE SAYS YOU HAVE

IN PLAN.

>> I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE A

DARK WINTER AT ALL.

WE ARE OPENING UP OUR COUNTRY,

WE HAVE LEARNED AND STUDIED AND

UNDERSTAND THE DISEASE WHICH WE

DIDN'T AT THE BEGINNING.

WHEN I CLOSED AND BANNED CHINA

FROM COMING IN, HEAVILY

INFECTED, AND THEN ULTIMATELY

EUROPE, BUT CHINA WAS IN

JANUARY, MONTHS LATER HE WAS

SAYING I WAS XENOPHOBIC.

I DID IT TOO SOON.

YOU NOW HE IS SAYING OH, I

SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, MOVED

QUICK ARE.

BUT HE DIDN'T MOVE QUICKER.

HE WAS MONTHS BEHIND ME.

MANY MONTHS BEHIND ME.

AND FRANKLY, HE RAN THE H1N1

SWINE FLU AND IT WAS A TOTAL

DISASTER, FAR LESS LETHAL BUT IT

WAS A TOTAL DISASTER.

HAD THAT HAD THIS KIND OF

NUMBERS, 700,000 WOULD BE DEAD

RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT IS A FAR LESS

LELTAL-- LETHAL DISEASE.

LOOK, HIS OWN PERSON WHO RAN

THAT FOR HIM, WHO AS YOU KNOW

WAS HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, SAID IT

WAS CATASTROPHIC.

IT WAS HORRIBLE.

WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE

DOING.

NOW HE COMES UP AND HE TELLS US

HOW TO DO THIS.

ALSO EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID

ABOUT THE WAY EVERY SINGLE MOVE

THAT HE SAID WE SHOULD MAKE,

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE.

WE HAVE DONE ALL OF IT.

BUT HE WAS WAY BEHIND US.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN, YOUR RESPONSE.

>> MY RESPONSE IS HE IS

XENOPHOBIC BUT NOT BECAUSE HE

SHUT DOWN ACCESS FROM CHINA.

AND HE DID IT LATE, AFTER 40

COUNTRIES HAD ALREADY DONE THAT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT HE

DID, HE MADE SURE THAT WE HAD 44

PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THERE, IN

CHINA TRYING TO GET TO WUHAN TO

DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY THE

SOURCE WAS.

WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT SAY IN

JANUARY.

HE SAID NO, HE SAID THIS IS-- HE

WAS BEING TRANSPARENT.

THE PRESIDENT OF CHEUNA IS BLG

TRANSPARENT, WE OWE HIM A DEBT

OF GRATITUDE.

WE HAVE TO THANK HIM.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE

STARTED TALKING ABOUT USING THE

DEFENSE ACT TO MAKE SURE WE GO

OUT AND GET WHATEVER IS NEEDED

OUT THERE TO PROTECT PEOPLE.

AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THIS, HE

HAS-- NOTHING HE DID VIRTUALLY,

NOTHING, AND THEN HE GETS OUT OF

THE HOSPITAL AND HE TALKS ABOUT

THIS IS, DON'T WORRY.

IT'S ALL GOING TO BE OVER SOON.

COME ON!

THERE'S NOT ANOTHER SERIOUS

SCIENTIST IN THE WORLD WHO

THINKS IT IS GOING TO BE OVER

SOON.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> I DIDN'T SAY OVER SOON, I

SAID WE ARE LEARNING TO LIVE IT

WITH IT, WE CAN'T LOCK OURSELVES

UP IN A BASEMENT LIKE JOE DOES.

HE HAS THE ABILITY TO LOCK

HIMSELF UP.

I DON'T KNOW, HE HAS OBVIOUSLY

MADE A LOT OF MONEY SOME PLACE.

BUT HE HAS THIS THING ABOUT

LIVING IN A BASEMENT.

PEOPLE CAN'T DO THAT.

BY THE WAY, I AS THE PRESIDENT

COULDN'T DO THAT.

I WOULD LOVE TO PUT MYSELF IN

THE BASEMENT OR IN A BEAUTIFUL

ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND GO

AWAY FOR A YEAR AND A HALF UNTIL

IT DISAPPEARS.

I CAN'T DO THAT.

AND KRISTEN, EVERY MEETING I

HAVE, AND I MEET A LOT OF

FAMILIES INCLUDING GOLD STAR

FAMILIES AND MILITARY FAMILIES,

EVERY MEETING I HAD, AND I HAD

TO MEET THEM, I HAD TO, WOULD BE

HORRIBLE TO HAVE CANCELLED

EVERYTHING.

I SAID YOU KNOW, THIS IS

DANGEROUS.

AND YOU CATCH IT.

AND YOU KNOW, I CAUGHT IT I

LEARNED A LOT.

I LEARNED A LOT.

GREAT DOCTORS, GREAT HOSPITALS.

AND NOW I RECOVERED.

99.9 OF YOUNG PEOPLE RECOVER.

99 PERCENT OF PEOPLE RECOVER.

WE HAVE TO RECOVER.

WE CAN'T CLOSE UP OUR NATION.

WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR SCHOOLS AND

WE CAN'T CLOSE UP OUR NATION, OR

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A

NATION.

>> Welker: AN OF COURSE THE

CDC HAS SAID YOUNG PEOPLE CAN

GET SICK WITH COVID-19 AND CAN

PASS IT.

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, I WANT TO

TALK BROADLY ABOUT STRATEGY.

>> MAY I RESPOND TO THAT.

>> Welker: 30 SECONDS.

>> NUMBER ONE, HE SAYS THAT

WE'RE LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT.

PEOPLE ARE LEARNING TO DIE WITH

IT.

YOU FOLKS HOME WILL HAVE AN

EMPTY CHAIR AT THE KICH BE TABLE

THIS MORNING, THAT MAN OR WIFE

GOING TO BED TONIGHT AND

REACHING OVER TO TRY AND TOUCH

THAWR, OUT OF HABIT WHERE THEIR

WIFE OR HUSBAND WAS IS GONE.

LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT, COME

ON.

WE'RE DYING WITH IT.

BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER SAID, HE

NEVER SAID IT IS DANGEROUS.

WHEN IS THE LAST TIME, IS IT

REALLY DANGEROUS STILL?

YOU TELL THE PEOPLE IT'S DANG

RAO-- DNG ROUSE NOW, WHAT SHOULD

WE DO ABOUT THE DANGERMENT AND

YOU SAY I TAKE NO

RESPONSIBILITY.

>> Welker: LET ME TALK

ABOUT.

>> EXCUSE ME, I TAKE FULL

RESPONSIBILITY.

IT'S A NOT MY FAULT THAT IT CAME

HERE.

IT'S CHINA'S FAULT.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT

JOE'S FAULT THAT IT CAME HERE

EITHER.

IT'S CHINA'S FAULT.

THEY KEPT IT FROM GOING INTO THE

REST OF CHINA FOR THE MOST PART

BUT THEY DIDN'T KEEP IT FROM

COMING OUT TO THE WORLD

INCLUDING EUROPE AND OURSELVES.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN.

>> THE FACT IS THAT WHEN WE KNEW

IT WAS COMING, WHEN IT HIT, WHAT

HAPPENED?

WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT SAY?

HE SAID DON'T WORRY.

IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.

BE GONE BY EASTER.

DON'T WORRY.

THE WARM WEATHER, DON'T WORRY,

MAYBE INJECT BLEACH, HE SAID HE

WAS KIDDING WHEN HE SAID THAT,

BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT IT

WAS SERIOUS.

A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS THE

PRESIDENT HAS SAID EVEN TODAY HE

THINKS WE ARE IN CONTROL.

WE'RE ABOUT TO LOSE 200,000 MORE

PEOPLE.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> LOOK, PERHAPS JUST TO FINISH

THIS, I WAS KIDDING ON THAT, BUT

JUST TO FUNNISH THIS, WHEN I

CLOSED, HE SAID I SHOULDN'T HAVE

CLOSED.

AND THAT WENT ON FOR MONTHS.

NANCY PELOSI SAID THE SAME

THING.

SHE WAS DANCING ON THE STREETS

IN CHINATOWN AND SAN FRANCISCO.

BUT WHEN I CLOSED, HE SAID THIS

IS A TERRIBLE THING, YOU ARE

XENOPHOBE YOU CAN.

I THINK HE CALLED ME RACIST,

EVEN, BECAUSE I WAS CLOSING IT

TO CHINA.

NOW HE SAYS I SHOULD HAVE CLOSED

IT EARLIER.

JOE, IT DOESN'T WORK.

>> I DIDN'T SAY OORT EITHER OF

THOSE THINGS.

>> YOU CERTAINLY DID.

>> I TALKED ABOUT XENOPHOBIA IN

A DIFFERENT CONTEXT IT WASN'T

ABOUT CLOSING THE BORDER TO

CHINESE COMING TO THE UNITED

STATES.

>> Welker: ALL RIGHT, WANT TO

TALK ABOUT BOTH OF YOUR

DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.

>> HE THOUGHT I SHOULDN'T HAVE

CLOSED THE BORDER.

THAT IS OBVIOUS.

>> Welker: DO YOU WANT TO

RESPOND TO THAT QUICKLY, VICE

PRESIDENT BIDEN.

>> NO.

>> Welker: LET'S TALK ABOUT

YOUR DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TOWARD

DEALING WITH THIS.

MR. VICE PRESIDENT YOU SUGGESTED

YOU WOULD SUPPORT NEW SHUT DOWNS

IF SCIENTISTS RECOMMENDED IT.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS WHO

ARE FEARFUL THE COST OF

SHUTDOWNS, THE IMPACT ON THE

ECONOMY, THE HIGHER RISK OF

HUNGER, DEPRESSION, DOMESTIC AND

SUBSTANCE ABUSE OUTWEIGHS THE

RISK OF EXPOSURE TO THE VIRUS.

>> WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I WILL

SHUT DOWN THE VIRUS, NOT THE

COUNTRY IT IS HIS INEP TEUD THAT

CAUSED THE COUNTRY TO HAVE TO

SHUT DOWN IN LARGE PART, WHY

BUSINESSES HAVE GONE UNDER, WHY

SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED, WHY SO MAN

PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR LIVING,

AND WHY THEY ARE CONCERNED.

THOSE OTHER CONCERNS ARE REAL.

THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN

INSTEAD OF IN A SAND TRP IN HIS

GOLF COURSE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN

NSHTING WITH NANCY PELOSI AND

THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS

ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ACTS

THEY WERE PASSING FOR BILLIONS

OF DOLLARS TO MAWK SURE PEOPLE

HAD THE CAPACITY.

>> Welker: YOU HAVEN'T RULED

OUT MORE SHUTDOWNS?

>> WELL, NO, I'M NOT SHUTTING

DOWN TODAY BUT LOOK, WE NEED

STANDARDS.

THE STANDARD IS IF YOU HAVE A

REPRODUCTION RATE IN A COMMUNITY

THAT IS ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL,

EVERYBODY SAYS SLOW UP.

MORE SOCIAL DISTANCING.

DO NOT OPEN BARS AND DO NOT OPEN

GYMNASIUMS.

DO NOT OPEN UNTIL YOU GET THIS

UNDER CONTROL, UNDER MORE

CONTROL.

BUT WHEN YOU DO OPEN, GIVE THE

PEOPLE THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE

TO OPEN AND HAVE THE CAPACITY TO

DO IT SAFELY.

FOR EXAMPLE, SCHOOLS.

SCHOOLS, THEY NEED A LOT OF

MONEY TO OPEN.

THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH

VENTILATION SYSTEMS, THEY NEED

TO DEAL WITH SMALLER CLASSES,

MORE TEACHERS, MORE PODS.

HE REFUSED TO SUPPORT THAT

MONEY, OR AT LEAST UP TO NOW.

>> Welker: LET'S TALK ABOUT

SCHOOLS.

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO RESPOND,

DO YOU MIND.

>> Welker: MEES PLEASE AND I

HAVE I A FOLLOWUP.

>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL HE DOES ST TALK ABOUT

SHUTDOWNS.

BUT FORGET ABOUT HIM.

HIS DEMOCRAT GOVERNORS CUOMO IN

NEW YORK, YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS

GOING ON IN CALIFORNIA, YOU LOOK

AT PENNSYLVANIA, NORTH CAROLINA,

DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS ALL, THEY

ARE SHUT DOWN SO TIGHT AND

THEY'RE DYING.

THEY'RE DYING.

AND HE SUPPORTS ALL THESE

PEOPLE.

ALL HE TALKS ABOUT IS SHUTDOWNS,

NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT

DOWN.

AND WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR SCHOOLS.

AND AS AN EXAMPLE, I HAVE A

YOUNG SON, HE ALSO TESTED

POSITIVE.

BY THE TIME I SPOKE TO THE

DOCTOR THE SECOND TIME HE WAS

FINE.

IT JUST WENT AWAY.

YOUNG PEOPLE, I GUESS IT'S THEIR

IMMUNE SYSTEM.

>> Welker: LET ME FOLLOW UP

WITH YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU

DEMANDED SCHOOLS OPEN IN PERSON

AND INSIST THEY CAN DO IT SAFELY

BUT YESTERDAY BOSTON BECAME THE

LATEST SYSTEM TO MOVE ITS PUBLIC

SCHOOL SYSTEM ENTIRELY ONLINE

AFTER CORONAVIRUS SPIKED.

WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO PARENTS

WHO WORRY THAT SENDING THEIR

CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WILL ENDANGER

NOT ONLY THEIR KIDS BUT ALSO

THEIR TEACHERS AND FAMILIES.

>> I WANT TO EP O THE SCHOOLS.

THE TRANSMITTAL RATE TO THE

TEACHERS IS VERY SMALL.

BUT I WANT TO OPEN THE SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR COUNTRY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A DRI

COUNTRY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

WE CAN'T KEEP THIS COUNTRY

CLOSED.

THIS IS A MASSIVE COUNTRY, WITH

A MASSIVE ECONOMY.

PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS.

THEY'RE COMMITTING SUICIDE.

THERE'S DEPRESSION, ALCOHOL,

DRUGS AT A LEVEL THAT NOBODY HAS

EVER SEEN BEFORE.

THERE'S ABUSE, TREMENDOUS ABUSE.

WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR COUNTRY.

YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT OFTEN.

THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE THAN

THE PROBLEM ITSELF.

AND THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.

AND HE WANTS TO CLOSE DOWN, HE

WILL CLOSE DOWN THE COUNTRY IF

ONE PERSON IN OUR MASSIVE

BUREAUCRACY SAYS WE SHOULD CLOSE

IT DOWN.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN YOUR RESPONSE.

>> SIMPLY NOT TRUE, WE OUGHT TO

BE ABLE TO WALK AND CHEW GUM AT

THE SAME TIME.

WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY

OPEN, AND THEY NEED RESOURCES TO

OPEN.

YOU THEED TO BE ABLE TO, FOR

EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO

OPEN A BUSINESS, HAVE SOCIAL

DISTANCING IN THE BUSINESS.

YOU NEED TO HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A

RESTAURANT, YOU NEED TO HAVE

PLEXIGLASS PROVIDERS SO PEOPLE

CANNOT INFECT ONE ANOTHER.

YOU NEED TO BE IN A POSITION

WHERE YOU CAN TAKE TESTING

RAPIDLY AND KNOW WHETHER A

PERSON IS, IN FACT, INFECTED.

YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRACE.

YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE

ALL THE RESOURCES THAT ARE

NEEDED TO DO THIS.

AND THAT IS NOT INCONSISTENT

WITH SAYING THAT WHAT WE ARE

GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN

OPEN SAFELY.

AND BY THE WAY, ALL YOU YOU

TEACHERS OUT THERE, NOT THAT

MANY OF YOU ARE GOING TO DIE, SO

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, DON'T

WORRY ABOUT IT, COME ON.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP LET

ME FOLLOW UP.

>> BY THE WAY I WILL SAY THIS,

IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT WHAT HAS

HAPPENED TO NEW YORK, IT IS A

GHOST TOWN.

ST A GHOST TOWN.

AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT

PLEXIGLASS, THESE ARE

RESTAURANTS THAT ARE DYING.

THESE ARE BUSINESSES WITH NO

MONEY.

PUTTING PLEXIGLASS IS

UNBELIEVABLY EXPENSIVE.

AND IT'S NOT THE ANSWER.

I MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO SIT

THERE IN A CUBIC EL WRAPPED

AROUND WITH PLASTIC.

THESE ARE BUSINESSES THAT ARE

DYING, JOE.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO PEOPLE.

YOU JUST CAN'T.

TAKE A LOOK AT NEW YORK AND WHAT

HAS HAPPENED TO MY WONDERFUL

CITY.

FOR SO MANY YEARED A LOVED IT,

IT IS VIBRANT IT IS DYING.

EVERYONE IS LEAVING NEW YORK.

>> TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT NEW YORK

HAS DONE IN TERMS OF TURNING THE

CURVE DOWN IN TERMS OF THE

NUMBER OF PEOPLE DYING.

AND I DON'T LOOK AT THIS IN THE

TERMS OF THE WAY HE DOES.

BLUE STATES AND RED STATES.

THEY ARE ALL THE UNITED STATES.

AND LOOK AT THE STATES THAT ARE

HAVING SUCH A SPIKE IN THE

CORONAVIRUS.

THEY ARE THE RED STATES.

THEY ARE THE STATES IN THE

MIDWEST, THEY ARE THE STATES IN

THE UPPER MIDWEST.

THAT IS WHERE THE SPIKE IS

OCCURRING SIGNIFICANTLY.

BUT THEY ARE ALL AMERICANS.

THEY ARE ALL AMERICANS.

AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS SAY

WEAR THESE MASKSK NUMBER ONE.

MAKE SURE WE GET THE HELP THAT

THE BUSINESSES NEED, THAT HAS

MONEY ALREADY PASSED TO DO THAT.

IT'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE

BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER, AND

NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.

>> LISTEN, NEW YORK HAS LOST

MORE THAN 40,000 PEOPLE, 11,000

PEOPLE IN NURSING HOMES, WHEN

YOU SAY SPIKE-- TALK A LOOK AT

WHAT IS HAPPENS ING IN

PENNSYLVANIA.

WHERE THEY'VE HAD IT CLOSED.

TALK A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING

WITH YOUR FRIEND IN MITCH MUCH

WHERE HER HUSBAND IS THE ONLY

ONE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING.

IT HAS BEEN LUKE A PRISON.

NOW IT WAS JUST RULED

UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

TALK A LOOK AT NORTH CAROLINA.

THEY'RE HAVING SPIKES.

AN THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED AND THEY

ARE GETTING KILLED FINANCIALLY.

WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN, JOE.

YOU CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN.

WE HAVE TO OPEN UP.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THE DISEASE.

WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR SENIORS.

WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR ELDERLY.

WE HAVE TO PROTECT ESPECIALLY

OUR SENIORS WITH HEART PROBLEMS

AND DIABETES PROBLEMS.

AND WE WILL PROTECT THEM.

WE HAVE THE BEST TESTING IN THE

WORLD BY FAR.

THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SO MANY

CASES.

>> Welker: LET MAY FOLLOW UP

WITH YOU BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO

OUR NEXT SECTION, PRESIDENT

TRUMP.

THIS WEEK YOU CALLED DR. ANTHONY

FAUCI THE NATION'S BEST

INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERT A

DISASTER, AN OTHER MEDICAL

EXPERTS AS QUOTE IDIOTS.

IF YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO

THEM, WHO ARE YOU LISTENING TO.

>> I AM LISTENING IT ALL OF THEM

INCLUDING ANTHONY.

I DO GET A LOT WELL WITH ALL

THONNEE BUT HE DID SAY DON'T

WEAR MASKS.

HE DID SAY, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS

NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

I THINK HE SAY DEMOCRAT BUT THAT

IS OKAY.

HE SAWED THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE

A PROBLEM.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A

PROBLEM AT ALL.

WHEN JOE SAYS THAT I SAID

ANTHONY FAUCI SAID, AND OTHERS,

AND MANY OTHERS, AND I'M NOT

KNOCKING HIM, NOBODY KNEW.

LOOK, NOBODY KNEW WHAT THIS

THING WAS.

NOBODY KNEW WHERE IT WAS COMING

FROM, WHAT IT WAS.

WE'VE LEARNED A LOT.

BUT ANTHONY SAID DON'T WEAR A

MASK.

NOW HE WANTS TO WEAR MASKS.

ANTHONY ALSO SAID IF YOU LOOK

BACK, EXACT WORDS, HERE IS HIS

EXACT WORDS, THIS IS NO PROBLEM.

THIS WILL GO AWAY SOON, SO HE IS

ALLOWED TO MAKE MISTAKES.

HE HAPPENS TO BE A GOOD PERSON.

>> Welker: YOUR RESPONSE

QUICKLY AND WE WILL MOVE ON.

>> MY RESPONSE IS THAT THINK

ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW IN

JANUARY AND DIDN'T TELL THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE.

HE WAS TOLD THIS WAS A SERIOUS

VIRUS THAT SPREAD IN THE AIR.

AND IT WAS MUCH WORSE THAN, MUCH

WORSE THAN THE FLU.

HE WENT ON RECORD AND SAID THO

ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, RECORDED

THAT IN FACT HE KNEW HOW

DANGEROUS IT WAS YOU ABOUT HE

DIDN'T WANT TO TELL US.

HE DIDN'T WANT TO TELL US

BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT US TO

PANIC.

THE AMERICANS DON'T PANIC.

HE PAN YOU WERED-- PANICKED.

BUT GUESS WHAT, IN THE MEAN TIME

WE FIND OUT IN "THE NEW YORK

TIMES" THE OTHER DAY THAT IN

FACT HIS FOLKS WENT TO WALL

STREET AND SAID THIS IS A REALLY

DANG WROWS-- DANGEROUS THUNKING

AND THE MEMO OUT OF THAT, FROM

SOME OF THE BROKER FELL SHORT

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET MOVING IT

IS A DANGEROUS PROBLEM.

>> Welker: I WILL GIVE YOU 30

SECONDS TO RESPOND.

>> I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY WENT

TO WALL STREET, YOU ARE THE ONE

THAT TALKS ALL THE MONEY FROM

WALL STREET, I DON'T TAKE IT.

YOU HAVE RAISED A LOT OF MONEY.

TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY, AND

EVERY TIME YOU RAISE MONEY,

DEALS ARE MADE.

I COULD RAISE SO MUCH MORE

MONEY.

AS PRESIDENT AND AS SOMEBODY

THAT KNOWS MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE,

I COULD CALL THE HEADS OF WALL

STREET, THE HEADS OF EVERY

COMPANY IN AMERICA.

I WOULD BLOW AWAY EVERY RECORD

BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT

BECAUSE IT PUTS ME IN A BAD

POSITION.

AND THEN YOU BRING UP WALL

STREET?

YOU SHOULDN'T BE BRINGING UP

WALL STREET BECAUSE YOU ARE THE

ONE THAT TALKS THE MONEY FROM

WALL STREET, NOT ME.

I COULD BLOW AWAY YOUR RECORD,

LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE.

HE DON'T NEED MONEY, WE HAVE

PLENTY OF MONEY IN FACT WE BEAT

HILLARY CLINTON WITH A TINY

FRACTION OF THE MONEY SHE WAS

ABLE, SO DON'T TELL ME.

>> AVERAGE CONTRIBUTION, $43.

>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE

ON TO OUR NEXT SECTION WHICH IS

NATIONAL SECURITY AND I DO WANT

TO START WITH THE SECURITY OF

OUR ELECTIONS AND SOME BREAKING

NEWS FROM OVERNIGHT, JUST LAST

NIGHT INTELLIGENCE KEMPTION

CONFIRMED RUSSIA AND IRAN ARE

WORKING TO INFLUENCE THIS

ELECTION.

BOTH COUNTRIES HAVE OBTAINED

U.S. VOTER REASON STRAITION

INFORMATION, THESE OFFICIALS

SAY, AND IRAN SENT INTIMIDATING

MESSAGES TO FLORIDA VOTERS.

THIS QUESTION GOES TO YOU

MR. VICE PRESIDENT, WHAT WOULD

YOU DO TO PUT AN END TO THIS

THREAT.

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES

UNINTERRUPTED.

>> I MADE IT CLEAR AND I ASKED

EVERYONE ELSE TO TAKE THE

PLEDGE.

I MADE IT CLEAR THAT ANY

COUNTRY, NO MATTER WHO IT IS

THAT INTERFERES IN AMERICAN

ELECTIONS WILL PAY A PRICE.

THEY WILL PAY A PRICE.

IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY CLEAR,

THIS ELECTION.

I WON'T EVEN GET INTO THE LAST

ONE, THIS ELECTION THAT RUSSIA

HAS BEEN INVOLVED.

CHINA HAS BEEN INVOLVED TO SOME

DEGREE AND NOW WE LEARN THAT

IRAN IS INVOLVED.

THEY WILL PAY A PRICE, IF I'M

ELECTED.

THEY'RE INTERFERES WITH AMERICAN

SOVEREIGNTY, THAT IS WHAT GO

OG-- GOING ON, INTERFERES WITH

AMERICAN SOVEREIGN TEE.

TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE I

DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT SPOKE

TO PUTIN ABOUT IT, I DON'T THINK

HE SAID A WORD, I DON'T KNOW WHY

HE HASN'T SAID A WORD TO PUTIN

ABOUT IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE HAS

RECENTLY SAID IF ANYTHING TO THE

IRANIANS.

MY GUESS IS HE WOULD PROBABLY BE

MORE OUTSPOKEN WITH REGARD TO

THE IRANIANS AM BUT THE POINT IS

THIS, FOLKS, WE ARE IN A

SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE FOREIGN

COMPANIES, COUNTRIES TRYING TO

INTERFERE IN THE OUTCOME OF OUR

ELECTION.

HIS OWN NATIONAL SECURITY

ADVISOR TOLD HIM THAT WHAT IS

HAPPENING WITH HIS BUDDY, WELL,

I WILL, HIS BUDDY RUDY GIULIANI,

HE IS BEING USED AS A RUSSIAN

PAWN.

HE'S BEING FED INFORMATION THAT

IS RUSSIAN-- THAT IS NOT TRUE.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS, NOTHING

HAPPENS.

AND THEN YOU FIND OUT THAT

EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON HERE

ABOUT RUSSIA IS WANTING TO MAKE

SURE THAT I DO NOT GET ELECTED

THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES BECAUSE THEY KNOW I KNOW

THEM.

AND THEY KNOW ME.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS

PRESIDENT IS UNWILLING TO TAKE

ON PUTIN WHEN HE IS ACTUALLY

PAYING BOWNTEES TO KILL AMERICAN

SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN.

WHEN HE IS ENGAGED IN ACTIVITIES

THAT ARE TRYING TO DESTABILIZE

ALL OF NATO.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHY HE DOESN'T DO

IT, BUT IT'S WORTH ASKING THE

QUESTION, WHY ISN'T THAT BEING

DONE.

ANY COUNTRY THAT INTERFERES WITH

US WILL, IN FACT, PAY A PRICE

BECAUSE THEY ARE AFFECTING OUR

SOVEREIGNTY.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,

SAME QUESTION TO YOU, LET ME ASK

THE QUESTION, WILL YOU HAVE TWO

MINUTES TO RESPOND, FOR TWO

ELECTIONS IN A ROW NOW THERE HAS

BEEN SUBSTANTIAL INTERFERENCE

FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARIES, WHAT

WOULD YOU DO IN YOUR NEXT TERM

TO PUT AN END TO IT.

>> LET ME RESPOND TO THE FURS

PART JOE GOT 3.5 MILLION FROM

RUSSIA AND IT CAME THROUGH PUTIN

BECAUSE HE WAS VERY FRIENDLY

WITH THE FORMER MAYOR OF MOSCOW.

AND IT WAS THE MAWR OF MOSCOW'S

WIFE AND HE GOT 3.5 MILLION,

YOUR FAMILY GOT 3.5 MILLION.

AND YOU KNOW SOME DAY YOU WILL

HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY DID YOU GET

3.5, I FEVER GOT ANY MONEY FROM

RUSSIA.

I DON'T GET MONEY FROM RUSSIA.

NOW ABOUT YOUR THING LAST NIGHT,

I KNEW ALL ABOUT THAT.

AND THROUGH JOHN WHO, JOHN ROT

CLIFFE, HE SAID THE ONE THING

THAT IS COMMON TO BOTH OF THEM,

THEY BOTH WANT YOU TO LOSE.

BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NOBODY

TOUGHER TO RUSSIA BETWEEN THE

SANCTIONS.

NOBODY TOUGHER THAN ME ON

RUSSIA, BETWEEN THE SANCTIONS,

BETWEEN ALL OF WHAT I HAVE DONE

WITH NATO.

YOU FOE I HAVE THE NATIONAL OWE

COUNTRIES IT TO PUT UP AN EXTRA

130 BILLION GOING TO 420 BILLION

A YEAR.

THAT IS TO GUARD AGAINST RUSSIA.

I SOLD, WHILE HE WAS SELLING

PILLOWS AND SHEETS, I SOLD TANK

BUSTERS TO UKRAINE.

THERE HAS BEEN NOBODY TOUGHER ON

RUSSIA THAN DONALD TRUMP.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, THEY WERE

SO BAD THEY TOOK OVER THE

SUBMARINE PORT, YOU REMEMBER

THAT VERY WELL.

DURING YOUR TERM, DURING YOU AND

BARACK OBAMA, THEY TOOK OVER A

BIG PART OF WHAT SHOULD HAVE

BEEN UKRAINE.

YOU HANDED IT TO THEM.

BUT YOU WERE GETTING A LOT OF

MONEY FROM RUSSIA.

THEY WERE PAYING YOU A LOT OF

MONEY.

AND THEY PROBABLY STILL ARE.

BUT NOW WITH WHAT CAME OUT

TODAY, IT'S EVEN WORSE.

ALL OF THE EMAILS, THE EMAILS,

THE HORRIBLE EMAILS OF THE KIND

OF MONEY THAT YOU WERE RAWKING

IN, YOU AND YOUR FAMILIMENT AND

JOE, YOU WERE VICE PRESIDENT

WHEN SOME OF THIS WAS HAPPENING.

AND IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER

HAPPENED.

AND I THINK YOU OWE AN

EXPLANATION TO THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE.

WHY IS IT SOMEBODY JUST HAD A

NEWS CONFERENCE A LITTLE WHILE

AGO WHO WAS ESSENTIALLY SUPPOSED

TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR

FAMILY.

BUT WHAT HE SAID WAS DAMNING.

AND REGARDLESS OF ME, I THINK

YOU HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP AND TALK

TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, MAYBE

YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN, YOU MAY RESPOND, AND

THERN I DO WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON

THE ELECTION SECURITY.

>> HAVE I NOT TAKEN A PENNY FROM

ANY FOREIGN SOURCE EVER IN MY

LIFE.

WE LEARNED THIS PRESIDENT PAID

50 TIMES THE TAX IN CHINA IN A

SECRET BANK ACCOUNT WITH CHINA,

DOES BUSINESS IN CHAINA.

AND IN FACT, IS TALKS ABOUT ME

TAKING MONEY?

I HAVE NOT TAKEN A SINGLE PENNY

FROM ANY COUNTRY WHATSOEVER.

EVER.

NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, THIS IS THE

PRESIDENT I HAVE RELEASED ALL OF

MY TAX RETURNS.

22 YEARS, GO LOOK AT THEM.

22 YEARS OF MY TAX RETURNS.

YOU HAVE NOT RELEASED A SINGLE

SOLITARY YEAR OF YOUR TAX

RETURNS.

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

WHY ARE YOU UNWILLING.

THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES ARE PAYING

YOU A LOT.

RUSSIA IS PAYING YOU A LOT.

CHINA IS PAYING YOU A LOT.

AND YOUR HOTELS AND ALL YOUR

BUSINESSES ALL AROUND THE

COUNTRY.

ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

AND CHINA IS BUILDING A NEW ROAD

TO A GOLF COURSE YOU HAVE

OVERSEAS.

SO WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

RELEASE YOUR TAX RETURNS AND

STOP TALKING ABOUT CORRUPTION.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP

YOUR RESPONSE.

>> FIRST OF ALL I CALLED MY

ACCOUNTANTS, I WILL RELEASE THEM

AS SOON AS I CAN, I WANT TO DO

IT AND SHOW HOW SUCCESSFUL AND

GREAT THE COMPANY IS.

BUT MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN

THAT, PEOPLE WERE SAYING 750

DOLLARS, I ASKED THEM A WEEK

AGOK I SAID WHAT DID I PAY?

THEY SAID SIR, YOU PREPAID TENS

OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

I PREPAID MY TAX OVER THE LAST

NUMBER OF YEARS.

TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

I PREPAID BECAUSE AT SOME POINT

THEY THINK IT'S AN ESTIMATE,

THEY THINK I MAY HAVE TO PAY

TAX.

SO I ALREADY PREMADE IT.

NOBODY TOLD ME THAT.

NOBODY TELLS YOU THAT, EXCUSE ME

AND IT WASN'T WRITTEN WHENEVER

THEY WRITE IT, KEEP TALKING

ABOUT $750 WHICH I THINK SAY

FILING FEE.

BUT LET MAY JUST TELL YOU, I

PREPAID MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF

DOLLARS IN TAXES.

NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, YOU DON'T MAKE MONEY

FROM CHINA.

YOU DO.

I DON'T MAKE MONEY FROM UKRAINE,

YOU DO.

I DON'T MAKE MONEY FROM RUSSIA.

YOU MADE 3.5 MILLION, JOE.

AND YOUR SON GAVE YOU, THEY EVEN

HAVE A STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO

GIVE 10% TO THE BIG MAN, ARE YOU

THE BIG MAN, I THINK.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT.

BUT YOU ARE THE BIG MAN, I

THINK.

YOUR SON SAID WE HAVE TO GIVE

10% TO THE BIG MAN.

JOE, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?

IT'S TERRIBLE.

>> Welker: GENTLEMEN, I WANT

TO ASK YOU ABOUT QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE TO RESPOND.

>> Welker: I WILL LET YOU BOTH

RESPOND QUICKLY.

YOU JUST SAID YOU SPOKE TO YOU

ARE WHY ACCOUNTANT ABOUT

POTENTIALLY RELEASING YOUR

TAXES, DID HE TELL YOU WHEN YOU

CAN RELEASE THEM.

DO YOU HAVE A DEADLINE FOR WHEN

YOU WILL RELEASE THEM TO THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE.

>> I GET TREATED WORSE THAN THE

TEA PARTY GET TREATED BECAUSE

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN

THERE, DEEP DOWN IN THE IRS THEY

TREAT ME HORRIBLY, WE MADE A

DEAL, IT WAS ALL SETTEDDED UNTIL

I DECIDE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

I GET TREATED VERY BADLY BY THE

IRS, VERY UNFAIRLY.

BUT WE HAD A DEAL, AS SOON AS WE

ARE COMPLETED WITH A DEAL I WANT

TO RELEASE IT.

BUT I HAVE PAID MILLIONS AND

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND IT IS

WORSE THAN PAYING.

I PAID IN ADVANCE, ST CALLED

PREPAYING YOUR TAXES.

>> Welker: I WANT TO ASK YOU

BOTH ABOUT QUESTIONS REGARDING

YOUR POTENTIAL FOREIGN

ENDANG-- ENTANGLEMENTS AND

QUESTIONS, TO GIVE YOU BOTH A

CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE

BROADLY.

RESPOND YUCKLY AND THEN I WILL

GET TO MY QUESTION.

>> HE HAS BEEN SAYING THIS FOR

FOUR YEARS, SHOW US.

JUST SHOW US.

STOP PLAYING AROUND.

YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR FOUR

YEARS YOU WILL RELEASE YOUR

TAXES.

NOBODY KNOWS MR. PRESIDENT.

WHAT THEY DO KNOW IS YOU ARE NOT

PAYING YOUR TAXES OR YOU ARE

PAYING TAXES THAT ARE SO LOW.

WHEN LAST TIME HE SAID WHAT HE

PAID, HE SAID I ONLY PAY THAT

LITTLE BECAUSE I'M SMART.

I KNOW HOW TO GAME THE SYSTEM.

COME ON.

COME ON.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,

THERN I WANT TO GET TO TWO

QUESTIONS TO BOTH OF YOU.

>> I WAS PUT THROUGH A PHONEY

WITCH-HUNT FOR THREE YEARS, IT

STARTED BEFORE I EVEN GOT

ELECTED.

THEY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN.

NO PRESIDENT SHOULD EVER HAVE TO

GO THROUGH WHAT I WENT THROUGH.

LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

MUELLER AND 18 ANGRY DEMOCRATS

AND FBI AGENTS ALL OVER THE

PLACE SPENT $48 MILLION.

THEY WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING I

HAD INCLUDING MY TAX RETURNSES.

AND THEY FOUND ABSOLUTELY NO

COLLUSION AND NOTHING WRONG.

48 MILLION.

I GUARANTEE YOU IF I SPENT ONE

MILLION ON YOU, JOE, I COULD

FIND PLENTY WRONG BECAUSE THE

KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE

DONE AND THE KIND OF MONEYS THAT

YOUR FAMILY HAS TAKEN.

I MEAN YOUR BROTHER MADE MONEY

IN IRAQ.

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

YOUR OTHER BROTHER MADE A

FORTUNE AND IT'S ALL THROUGH

YOU, JOE.

AND THEY SAY YOU GET SOME OF IT

AND DO YOU LIVE VERY WELL.

YOU HAVE HOUSES ALL OVER THE

PLACE.

YOU LIVE VERY WELL.

>> Welker: ALL RIGHT,

GENTLEMEN, LET ME ASK QUESTIONS

ABOUT THIS BROADLY.

VICE PRESIDENT BEUDEN THERE HAVE

BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WORK

YOUR SON HAS DONE IN CHINA AND

YOU KRAWNIAN ENERGY COMPANY WHEN

WERE YOU VICE PRESIDENT, IN

RETROSPECT WAS ANYTHING ABOUT

THOSE RELATIONSHIPS

INAPPROPRIATE OR UNETHICAL.

>> NOTHING WAS UNETHICAL, HERE

IS THE DEAL.

WITH REGARDING UKRAINE, WE HAD

THIS WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT

WHETHER OR NOT BECAUSE HE WAS ON

THE BOARD, I LATER LEARNED OF

BURISMA, A COMPANY THAT SHOW I

HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG.

YET EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY FERN

WHEN HE WAS GOING THROUGH HIS

IMPEACHMENT, TESTIFYING UNDER

OATH WHO WORKED FOR HIM SAID I

DID MY JOB

IMPECKICALLY-- IMPECCABLY.

I CARRIED OUT U.S. POLICY.

NOT ONE SINGLE, SOLITARY THING

WAS OUT OF LINE.

NOT A SINGLE THING, NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, THE GUY WHO GOT IN

TROUBLE IN UKRAINE WAS THIS GUY

TRYING TO BRIBE THE UKRAINIAN

GOVERNMENT TO SAY SOMETHING

NEGATIVE ABOUT ME, WHICH THEY

WOULD NOT DO, AND DID NOT DO,

BECAUSE IT NEVER, EVER, EVER

HAPPENED.

MY SON HAS NOT MADE MONEY IN

TERMS OF THIS THING ABOUT, WHAT

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, CHINA.

I HAVE NOT HAD-- THE ONLY GUY

WHO MADE MONEY FROM CHINA IS

THIS GUY.

THE ONLY ONE.

NOBODY ELSE HAS MADE MONEY FROM

CHEUNA.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,

LET ME, PI QUESTION TO YOU.

>> JUST ONE SECRETARY.

>> HIS SON DIDN'T HAVE A JOB FOR

A LONG TIME, WAS SADLY NO LONGER

IN THE MILITARY SERVICE.

I WON'T GET INTO THAT.

AND HE DIDN'T HAVE A JOB.

AS SOON AS HE BECAME VICE

PRESIDENT BURISMA, NOT THE

BEST-- NOT THE BEST REPUTATION

IN THE WORLD, I HEAR THEY PAID

HIM $18 3,000 A MONTH.

LISTEN TO THIS, 183, AND THEY

GAVE HUM A $3 MILLION UP FRONT

PAYMENT.

AND HE HAD NO ENERGY-- THAT IS

100 PERCENT-- .

>> Welker: I.

>> WITH.

>> NO BASES FOR THAT, NOBODY

SAID ANYTHING HE DID WAS WRONG

IN UKRAINE.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,

THIS IS FOR YOU, SINCE YOU TOOK

OFFICE YOU HAVE NEVER DIVESTED

FROM YOUR BUSINESS, YOU

PERSONALLY PROMOTED YOUR

PROPERTIES ABROAD.

A REPORT THIS WEEK WHICH WAS

REFERENCED DOES INDICATE THAT

YOUR COMPANY HAS A BANK ACCOUNT

IN CHINA.

SO HOW CAN VOTERS KNOW THAT YOU

DON'T HAVE ANY FOREIGN CONFLICT

OF INTEREST?

>> I HAVE MANY BANK ACCOUNTS AND

THEY ARE ALL LESSED AND THEY ARE

ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I MEAN I WAS A BUSINESS MAN

DOING BUSINESS.

THE BANKER ACCOUNT YOU ARE

REFERRING TO WHICH IS, EVERYBODY

KNOWS ABOUT IT, IS LISTED.

THE BANKER ACCOUNT WAS IN 2013.

THAT IS WHEN IT WAS.

IT WAS OPENED.

IT WAS CLOSED IN 2015, I

BELIEVE.

AND THEN I DECIDED BECAUSE I WAS

GOING TO DO, I WAS THINK BEING

DOING A DEAL IN CHINA LIKE

MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT AND I

DECIDED I'M NOT GOING TO DO T

DIDN'T LIKE IT, I DECIDED NOT TO

DO IT HAD AN ACCOUNT OPEN THEN I

CLOSED IT.

EXCUSE ME.

AND THEN UNLIKE HIM, WHERE HE

ASK VICE PRESIDENT AND HE GUS

BUSINESS, I THEN DECIDED TO RUN

FOR PRESIDENT AFTER THAT.

THAT WAS OF ABOUT.

SO I CLOSED IT BEFORE I EVEN RAN

FOR PRESIDENT, LET ALONE BECAME

PRESIDENT.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

HE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES, AND HIS SON, HIS

BROTHER AND HIS OTHER BROTHER

ARE GETTING RICH.

THEY'RE LIKE A VACUUM CLEANING

SUCKING UP MONEY ANY PLACE HE

GOES.

>> NOT TRUE.

>> Welker: WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

I WANT TO ASK YOU VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN ABOUT CHINA.

LET'S TALK ABOUT CHINA MORE

BROADLY.

THERE HAVE, OF COURSE, PRESIDENT

TRUMP HAS SAID THAT THEY SHOULD

PAY FOR NOT BEING FULLY

TRANSPARENT IN REGARDS TO THE

CORONAVIRUS.

IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU

MAKE CHINA PAY.

AND PLEASE BE SPECIFIC, WHAT

WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE.

>> WHAT I WOULD MAKE CHINA DO

PLAY BY THE INTERNATIONAL RULES.

NOT LIKE HE HAS DONE.

HE HAS CAUSED THE DEFICIT WITH

CHINA TO GO UP, NOT DOWN.

WITH CHINA.

UP, NOT DOWN.

WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT IN ORDER

TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA YOU HAVE

TO GIVE ALL YOUR INTELLECTUAL

PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A

PARTNER IN CHINA, 51%.

WE WOULD NOT DO THAT AT ALL,

NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, WE IN A SITUATION

WHERE CHINA WOULD HAVE TO PLAY

BY THE RULES INTERNATIONALICALLY

AS WELL.

WHEN I MET WITH XU AND WHEN I

WAS STILL VICE PRESIDENT HE SAID

WE'RE SETTING UP AIR

IDENTIFICATION ZONES IN THE

SOUTH CHEUNA SEA, YOU CAN'T FLY

THROUGH THEM, I SAID WE ARE

GOING TO FLY THROUGH THEM, WE

JUST FLEW B1 BOMBERS THROUGH T.

>> YOU HAVE TO PLAY BY THE

RULES, WHAT DOES HE DO, HE

EMBRACES GUYS, THUGS LIKE IN

NORTH KOREA AND THE CHINESE

PRESIDENT AND PUTIN AND OTHERS.

AND HE POKES HIS FINGER IN THE

EYE OF ALL OF OUR FRINSK ALL OF

OUR ALLIES.

WE MAKE UP, WE ARE 25%, 25% OF

THE WORLD'S ECONOMY.

WE NEED TO BE HAVING THE REST OF

OUR FRIENDS WITH US SAYING TO

CHINA, THESE ARE THE RULES.

YOU PLAY BY THEM OR YOU WILL PAY

THE PRICE FOR NOT PLAYING BY

THEM, ECONOMICICALLY.

THAT IS THE WAY I WILL RUN IT

AND THAT IS WHAT WE DID IN

UPHOLDING STEEL TARIFFS AND A

RANGE OF OTHER THINGS WHEN WE

WERE PRESIDENT AND ADVICE

PRESIDENT.

>> I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

>> Welker: OKAY QUUKLY.

>> YOU WALKED OUT WITH AW

BILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS FROM

CHINA.

>> NOT TRUE.

>> AFTER SPENDING TEN MONEYS IN

OFFICE AND BEING ON OUR FORCE

TWO, NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, THERE IS A VERY

STRONG, MAIL TALKING ABOUT YOUR

FAMILY WANTING TO MAWK $10

MILLION A YEAR POR

INTRODUCTIONS.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP, ON

CHEUNA POLICY THOUGH-- WHAT ARE

YOU GOING TO DO, WHAT

SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU GOING TO DO

TO MAWK CHINA PAY, YOU SAID YOU

ARE GOING TO PAY.

>> FIRST CHINA IS PAYING,

BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF

DOLLARS.

>> Welker: NEW SANCTIONS.

>> I JUST GAVE $28 BILLION TO

OUR FARMERS.

>> TAXPAYERS MONEY.

>> WHAT.

>> TA THAT IS TAX PAY ARE MONEY.

>> YOU KNOW WHO THE TAXPAYER

MONEY IS CHINA.

>> NOT TRUE.

>> CHEUNA PAID $28 MILLION, YOU

KNOW WHAT THEY DID, THEY DEVAL

UD THAWR KRNSEE AND ALSO PAID

UP.

YOU KNOW WHO GOT THE MONEY, OUR

GREAT FARMERS BECAUSE THEY WERE

TARGETED.

YOU NEVER CHARGED THEM ANYTHING.

ALSO, I CHARGED THEM 25% ON

DUMPED STEEL BECAUSE THEY WERE

KILLING OUR STEEL INDUSTRY.

WE WERE NOT GOING TO HAVE A

STEEL INDUSTRY AND NOW WE HAVE A

STEEL INDUSTRY.

>> Welker: OKAY, VICE

PRESIDENT BIED EN, YOUR

RESPONSE.

>> MY RESPONSE IS, THERE IS A

REASON WHY HE'S BRINGING UP ALL

THIS MALARKEY.

THERE IS A REASON FOR IT.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT

THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE.

ST NOT ABOUT HIS FAMILY AND MY

FAMILY, IT IS ABOUT YOUR FAMILY,

AND YOUR FAMILY IS HURTING

BADLY.

IF YOU ARE MAWKING LESS

THAN-- IF YOU ARE A MIDDLE CLASS

FAMILY, YOU ARE GETTING HURT

BADLY RIGHT NOW.

ARE YOU SITTING AT THE KITCHEN

TABLE THIS MORNING DECIDING WELL

WE CAN'T GET NEW TIRES BECAUSE

WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH OR

SO OR ARE WE ABLE TO PAY THE

MORTGAGE OR WHO WILL TELL HER

SHE CAN'T GO BACK TO COMMUNITY

COLLEGE.

THEY'RE THE DECISIONS YOU ARE

MAKING IN THE MIDDLE CLASS

FAMILIES LIKE I GREW NEWSPAPER

IN SCRANTON AND CLAY DDZ MONT.

THEY ARE IN TROUBLE.

WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT YOUR

FAMILIES BUT THAT IS THE LAST

THING HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.

>> THAT SAY TYPICAL

STATEMENT-- EXCUSE ME, ONE

SECOND.

>> THAT SAY TYPICAL POLITICAL

STATEMENT, LET'S GET OFF THIS

CHINA THING AND THEN THE FAMILY,

AROUND THE TABLE, EVERYTHING.

JUST A TYPICAL POLITICIAN, WHEN

I SEE THAT.

I'M IN THE A TYPICAL POLITICIAN.

THAT IS WHY I GOT ELECTED.

LET'S GET OFF THE SUBJECT OF

CHEUNA LET'S TALK AROUND SITTING

AROUND THE TABLE.

COME ON JOE, YOU CAN DO BETTER.

>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO TALK

ABOUT NORTH KOREA, PRESIDENT

TRUMP YOU HAVE MET WITH KIM

JUNG-UN THREE TIMES.

YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR BEAUTIFUL

LETTERS WITH HIM, YOU HAVE

TOUTED THE FACT THAT THERE

HASN'T BEEN A WAR ON LONG-RANGE

MISSILE TEST AND NORTH KOREA

RECENTLY ROLLED OUT ITS BIGGEST

EVER INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC

MISSILE AND CONTINUES TO DEVELOP

ITS NUBBING CLEAR ARSENAL.

DO YOU SEE THAT AS A BETRAYAL OF

THE RELATIONSHIP.

JUST 30 SECONDS.

>> NO, WHEN I MET WITH BARACK

OBAMA WE SAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

RIGHT AT THE GUNNING.

HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION, WAS

SUPPOSED TO BE 15 MONEYS AND IT

WAS WELL OVER AN HOUR.

HE SAID THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE

HAVE IS NORTH KOREA.

HE INDICATED WE WILL BE IN A WAR

WITH NORTH KOREA, GUESS WHAT.

IT WOULD BE A NUCLEAR WAR.

AND HE DOES HAVE PLENTY OF

NUCLEAR CAP PAIBILITY.

IN THE MEAN TIME I HAVE A VERY

GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.

DIFFERENT KIND OF A GUY BUT HE

PROBABLY THINKS THE SAME THING

ABOUT ME.

WE HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF A

RELATIONSHIP.

WE HAVE A VERY GOOD

RELATIONSHIP.

AND THERE IS NO WAR.

AND YOU KNOW, ABOUT TWO MONTHS

AGO HE BROKE INTO A CERTAIN

AREA, THEY SAID OH THERE IS

GOING TO BE TROUBLE.

I SAID NO, THERE NOT, BECAUSE

HE'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT, AND I

WAS RIGHT.

INSTEAD OF BEING IN A WAR WHERE

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, SEOUL YOU

KNOW IS 25 MILES AWAY, MILLIONS

AND MILLIONS, 32 MILLION PEOPLE

IN SEOUL, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

WOULD BE DEAD RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE A WAR AND HAVE I A

GOOD RELATIONSHIP.

>> Welker: VIESES PRESIDENT

BIDEN, NORTH KOREA CONDUCTED

FOUR NUCLEAR TESTS UNDER THE

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE

ABLE TO REIGN IN THIS PERSISTENT

THREAT.

>> BECAUSE I WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR

AS WE MAKE CLEAR TO CHINA THEY

HAVE TO BE PART OF THE DEAL.

I MADE IT CLEAR AND AS A

SPOKESPERSON,-- I WENT TO CHINA

AND SAID WHY ARE YOU MOVING YOUR

MISSILE DEFENSE UP SO CLOSE.

WHY ARE YOU MOVING MORE FORCES

HERE, WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO DO

MILITARY MANEUVERS WITH SOUTH

KOREA.

I SAID BECAUSE NORTH KOREA IS A

PROBLEM.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO

DO IT SO WE CAN CONTROL THEM.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE CAN

CONTROL THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY

CANNOT HURT US.

AND SO IF YOU WANT TO DO

SOMETHING ABOUT IT, STEP UP AND

HELP.

IF NOT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.

WHAT HAS HE DONE?

HE HAS LEGITIMIZED NORTH KOREA,

HE TALKED ABOUT HIS GOOD BUDDY

WHO IS A THUG, A THUG AND HE

TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE BETTER OFF

AND THEY HAVE MUCH MORE CAP

ABLE-- CAPABLE MISSILES, ABLE TO

REACH U.S. TERRITORY MUCH MORE

EASILY THAN THEY EVER DID

BEFORE.

>> LET MEE FOLLOW UP WITH YOU

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.

YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T MEET WITH

KIM JUNG-UN WITHOUT

PRECONDITIONS.

ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS UNDER

WHICH YOU WOULD MEET WITH HIM.

>> ON THE CONDITION THAT HE

WOULD AGREE THAT HE WOULD BE

DRAWING DOWN HIS NUCLEAR

CAPACITY, TO GET THE KOREAN

PENINSULA SHOULD BE A NUCLEAR

FREE ZONE.

>> Welker: LET'S MOVE ON TO

AMERICAN FAMILIES.

>> THEY TRIED TO MEET WITH HIM.

HE WOULDN'T DO IT.

HE DIDN'T LIKE OBAMA.

HE DIDN'T LIKE HIM.

HE WOULDN'T DO IT.

THEY TRIED.

>> Welker: 10 SECONDS TO

RESPOND TO THAT.

>> IT'S OKAY, NORTH KOREA, WE

ARE NOT IN A WAR, WE HAVE A GOOD

RELATIONSHIP.

YOU KNOW, HAVING A GOOD

RELATIONSHIP WITH LEADERS OF

OTHER COUNTRIES IS A GOOD THING.

>> Welker: WE HAVE A LOT OF

QUESTIONS TO GET TO.

>> WE HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP

WITH HITLER BEFORE HE IN FACT

INVADED EUROPE.

THE REST OF EUROPE.

COME ON.

THE REASON HE WOULD NOT MEET

WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA IS BECAUSE

PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID WE'RE GOING

TO TALK ABOUT DENUCLEARIZATION.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEGITIMIZE

YOU, WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUT

STRONG STRONGER AND STRONGER

SANCTIONS ON YOU, THAT IS WHY HE

DIDN'T MEET WITH YOU.

>> AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

>> Welker: LET'S MOVE ON.

>> HE LEFT ME A MESS, KRISTEN

THEY LEFT ME A MESS.

NORTH KOREA WAS A MESS.

>> Welker: WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

>> DO YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST TWO

OR THREE MONTHS, THERE WAS A

VERY DANGEROUS PERIOD IN MY

FIRST THREE MONTHS BEFORE WE

SORT OF WORKED THINGS OUT A

LITTLE BIT.

THEY LEFT US A MESS.

AND OBAMA WOULD BE, I THINK, THE

FIRST TO SAY IT WAS A SINGLE

BIGGEST PROBLEM.

HE THOUGHT THAT OUR COUNTRY-- .

>> Welker: LET'S MOVE ON TO

AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THE

ECONOMY.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT IS MOST

IMPORTANT TO THEM IS HEALTH

CARE.

AS YOU BOTH KNOW.

TODAY THERE WAS A KEY VOTE AND A

NEW PREEM COURT JUSTICE AMY

CONEY BARRETT AND HEALTH CARE IS

AT THE CENTER OF HER

CONFIRMATION FIGHT.

OVER 20 MILLION AMERICANS GET

THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH

THE AFFORDABLE CARE AK IT IS

HEADED TO THE SUPREME COURT AND

YOUR ADMINISTRATION,

MR. PRESIDENT, IS ADVOCATING FOR

THE COURT TO OVERTURN IT.

IF THE SUPREME COURT DOES

OVERTURN THAT LAW, THERE ARE 20

MILLION AMERICANS COULD LOSE

THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE ALMOST

OVERNIGHT SO WHAT WOULD YOU DO

IF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR

HEALTH INSURANCE IT WILL BE BETTER

RUN.

BUT IT NO LONGER IS OBAMACARE

BECAUSE WITHOUT THE INDIVIDUAL

MANDATE, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT.

PREEXISTING CONDITIONS WILL

ALWAYS STAY.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS A

MUCH BETTER HEALTH CARE, MUCH

BETTER, WILL ALWAYS PROTECT

PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING.

I'D LIKE TO TERMINATE OBAMACARE,

COME UP WITH A BRAND NEW,

BEAUTIFUL HEALTH CARE.

THE DEMOCRATS WILL DO IT BECAUSE

THERE WILL BE TREMENDOUS

PRESSURE ON THEM.

AND WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE THE HOUSE

AT THAT TIME, AND I THINK WE ARE

GOING TO WIN THE HOUSE, OKAY.

YOU'LL SEE.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WIN

THE HOUSE.

BUT COME UP WITH A BETTER HEALTH

CARE, ALWAYS PROTECTING PEOPLE

WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.

AND ONE THING-- VERY IMPORTANT--

WE HAVE 180 MILLION PEOPLE OUT

THERE THAT HAVE GREAT PRIVATE

HEALTH CARE.

FAR MORE THAN WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT WITH OBAMACARE.

JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO TERMINATE

ALL OF THOSE POLICIES.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THEIR

HEALTH CARE.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN

SUCCESSFUL-- MIDDLE-INCOME

PEOPLE-- BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

THEY HAVE 180 MILLION PLANS, 180

MILLION PEOPLE, FAMILIES.

UNDER WHAT HE WANTS TO DO--

WHICH WILL BASICALLY BE

SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

HE WON'T EVEN HAVE A CHOICE--

THEY WANT TO TERMINATE 180

MILLION PLANS.

WE HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB

ON HEALTH CARE, AND WE'RE GOING

TO DO EVEN BETTER--

>> Welker: OKAY.

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.

YES, THIS IS FOR YOU.

YOUR HEALTH CARE PLAN CALLS FOR

BUILDING ON OBAMACARE.

MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS YOUR

PLAN IF THE LAW IS RULED

UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY THE SUPREME

COURT?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES

UNINTERRUPTED.

>> WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS PASS

OBAMACARE WITH A PUBLIC OPTION,

BECOME BIDENCARE.

THE PUBLIC OPTION IS AN OPTION

THAT SAYS IF YOU IN FACT DO NOT

HAVE THE WHEREWITHALL-- IF YOU

QUALIFY FOR MEDICATE AND YOU DO

NOT HAVE THE WHEREWITHALL IN

YOUR STATE TO GET MEDICAID YOU

ARE AUTOMATICALLY ENROLLED

PROVIDING COMPETITION FOR

INSURANCE COMPANIES.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SECONDLY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE

SURE WE REDUCE THE PREMIUMS AND

DRUG PRICES BY MAKING SURE THERE

IS COMPETITION, THAT DOESN'T

EXIST NOW, BY ALLOWING MEDICARE

TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES WITH

THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.

THIRDLY, THE IDEA THAT I WANT TO

ELIMINATE PRIVATE INSURANCE--

THE REASON WHY I HAD SUCH A

FIGHT FOR-- WITH 20 CANDIDATES

FOR THE NOMINATION WAS I SUPPORT

PRIVATE INSURANCE.

THAT'S WHY I-- NOT ONE SINGLE

PERSON WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE

WOULD LOSE THEIR INSURANCE UNDER

MY PLAN, NOR DID THEY UNDER

OBAMACARE.

THEY DID NOT LOSE THEIR

INSURANCE, UNLESS THEY CHOSE

THEY WANTED TO GO TO SOMETHING

ELSE.

LASTLY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE

WE'RE IN A SITUATION THAT WE

ACTUALLY PROTECT PREEXISTING--

THERE'S NO WAY HE CAN PROTECT

PREEXISTING CONDITIONS, NONE,

ZERO.

YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE ETHER.

HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR

A LONG TIME.

THERE IS NO-- HE'S NEVER COME UP

WITH A PLAN.

I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO GET THE

PREEXISTING CONDITION PLAN THE

SAME TIME WE GET THE

INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN WE HAVE BEEN

WAITING FOR SINCE '17, '18, '19,

'20.

I STILL HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES.

I KNOW YOU'RE GETTING ANXIOUS.

THE FACT IS HE'S ALREADY COST

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF

HIS TERRIBLE HANDLING OF THE

CORONAVIRUS AND THE ECONOMIC

SPILLOVER.

10 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE LOST

THEIR PRIVATE INSURANCE.

AND HE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY 22

MILLION MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT

UNDER OBAMACARE, AND OVER 110

MILLION PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING

CONDITIONS.

AND ALL THE PEOPLE FROM COVID

ARE GOING TO HAVE PREEXISTING

CONDITIONS.

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO?

>> Welker: I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP

FOR YOU VICE PRESIDENT BIEDEN,

ITLET ARES TO SOMETHING

PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID.

HE'S ACCUSING YOU OF WANTING

SIZED MEDICINE.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE YOUR

PLAN WITH A PUBLIC OPTION OF

COURSE, THAT IT'S A HEALTH CARE

PLAN RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT.

>> I SAY IT'S RIDICULOUS.

THE IDEA-- THE FACT THAT THERE'S

A PUBLIC OPTION THAT PEOPLE CAN

CHOOSE.

THAT MAKES IT A SOCIALIST PLAN?

LOOK, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE

PRESIDENT-- I THINK HEALTH CARE

IS NOT A PRIVILEGE.

IT'S A RIGHT.

EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT

TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE.

AND I AM VERY PROUD OF MY PLAN.

IT'S GOTTEN ENDORSED BY ALL THE

MAJOR LABOR UNIONS, AS WELL AS A

WHOLE RANGE OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO

IN FACT ARE CONCERNED IN THE

MEDICAL FIELD.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING

TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES, AND THIS

IS GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE AN

OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO

HAVE HEALTH CARE FOR THEIR

CHILDREN.

HOW MANY OF YOU HOME ARE WORRIED

AND ROLLING AROUND IN BED

TONIGHT WONDERING WHAT IN GOD'S

NAME YOU'RE GOING TO DO IF YOU

GET SICK BECAUSE YOU LOST YOUR

HOME INSURANCE-- YOUR HEALTH

INSURANCE, YOUR COMPANY HAS GONE

UNDER.

WE HAVE TO PROVIDE HEALTH

INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE AT AN

AFFORDABLE RATE, AND THAT'S WHAT

I'D DO.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,

YOUR RESPONSE.

>> HE WAS THERE FOR 47 YEARS, HE

DIDN'T DO IT.

HE WAS THERE FOR VICE PRESIDENT

FOR EIGHT YEARS.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS 25 YEARS

AGO.

IT WAS THREE AND

THREE-QUARTERS-- IT WAS JUST A

LITTLE WHILE AGOING, RIGHT, LESS

THAN FOUR YEARS AGO.

HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

HE DIDN'T DO IT.

HE WANTS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

IT'S NOT THAT HE WANTS IT-- HIS

VICE PRESIDENT, SHE IS MORE

LIBERAL THAN BERNIE SANDERS AND

WANTS IT EVEN MORE.

BERNIE SANDERS WANTS IT.

THE DEMOCRATS WANT IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOCIALIZED

MEDICINE, JUST LIKE WITH

FRACKING.

"WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE

FRACKING.

WE'RE GOING TO STOP FRACKING AM.

THEN HE GOES TO PENNSYLVANIA

AFTER HE GOT THE NOMINATION--

WHERE HE GOT VERY LUCKY TO GET

IT-- AND HE GOES TO PENNSYLVANIA

AND HE SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

FRACKING.

AND YOU NEVER ASKED THAT

QUESTION.

BY THE WAY, SO FAR, I RESPECT

VERY MUCH THE WAY YOU'RE

HANDLING THIS.

I HAVE TO SAY.

>> BY THE WAY--

>> SOMEBODY SHOULD ASK THE

QUESTION.

HE GOES FOR A YEAR.

>> Welker: WE DO HAVE A

NUMBER-- WE HAVE A NUMBER OF

TOPICS WE'RE GOING TO GET TO.

WE'RE GOING TO GET TO--

>> THE SAME THING WITH

SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

>> I HAVE TO RESPOND.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT YOUR

RESPONSE, PLEASE.

>> MY RESPONSE IS PEOPLE DESERVE

TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE

PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD.

AND THE BIDENCARE PROPOSAL WILL

IN FACT PROVIDE FOR THAT

AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE, LOWER

PREMIUMS.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, IT'S

GOING TO COST SOME MONEY.

IT WILL COST OVER $750 BILLION

OVER 10 YEARS TO DO IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LOWER

PREMIUMS, BUY INTO THE BETTER

PLANS, CHEAPER PLANS, LOWER YOUR

PREMIUMS, DEAL WITH UNEXPECTED

BILGE AND HAVE YOUR DRUG PRICES

DROP SIGNIFICANTLY.

HE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT.

HE HASN'T DONE A THING FOR

ANYBODY ON HEALTH CARE.

NOT A THING.

>> KRISTEN WHEN HE SAYS--

>> Welker: I WANT TO TALK

ABOUT--

>> HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOCIALIZED

MEDICINE.

AND HEALTH CARE.

WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT A PUBLIC

OPTION, HE'S TALKING ABOUT

DESTROYING YOUR MEDICARE,

TOTALLY DESTROYING AND

DESTROYING YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY,

AND THIS WHOLE COUNTRY WILL COME

DOWN.

BERNIE SANDERS TRIED IT IN HIS

STATE.

HE TRIED IT IN HIS STATE.

HIS GOVERNOR WAS A VERY LIBERAL

GOVERNOR, HE WANTED TO MAKE IT

WORK--

>> Welker: LET'S LET VICE

PRESIDENT BIDEN RESPOND.

>> HE'S A VERY CONFUSED GUY.

HE THINKS HE'S RUNNING AGAINST

SOMEBODY ELSE.

HE'S RUNNING AGAINST JOE BIDEN.

I BEAT ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE

BECAUSE I DISAGREED WITH THEM.

JOE BIDEN HE'S RUNNING AGAINST.

AND THE IDEA WE'RE IN A

SITUATION THAT WILL DESTROY

MEDICARE, THIS IS THE GUY THAT

THE ACUARY MEDICARE SAID IF IN

FACT-- SOCIAL SECURITY-- IF IN

FACT HE CONTINUES TO WITHHOLD

HIS PLAN-- HIS PLAN TO WITHHOLD

THE TAX ON SOCIAL SECURITY,

SOCIAL SECURITY WILL BE BANKRUPT

BY 2023 WITH NO WAY TO MAKE UP

FOR IT.

THIS IS THE GUY WHO HAS TRIED TO

CUT MEDICARE.

SO I DON'T-- I MEAN, THE IDEA

THAT DONALD TRUMP IS LECTURING

ME ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND

MEDICARE.

COME ON.

>> HE TRIED TO GET RID OF--

>> Welker: 10 SECONDS

MR. PRESIDENT.

>> YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO-- GO

BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECORDS.

HE TRIED TO HURT SOCIAL SECURITY

YEARS AGO.

>> Welker: ALL RIGHT, LET'S

MOVE ON, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON.

MR. PRESIDENT I HAVE TO MOVE ON

TO THE NEXT QUESTION OR ELSE

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME TO

TALK ABOUT IT.

>> IF HE'S ELECTED, THE STOCK

MARKET WILL CRASH.

>> Welker: THE NEXT QUESTION,

VERY QUICKLY.

>> LOOK, THE IDEA THAT THE STOCK

MARKET IS BOOMING, IT'S HIS ONLY

MEASURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.

WHERE I COME FROM IN SCRANTON,

PEOPLE DON'T LIVE OFF OF THE

STOCK MARKET.

JUST IN THE LAST THREE-- THREE

YEARS, DURING THIS CRISIS, THE

BILLIONAIRES IN THIS COUNTRY

MADE, ACCORDING TO THE WALL

STREET, $700 BILLION MORE, $700

BILLION MORE BECAUSE THAT'S HIS

ONLY MEASURE.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ORDINARY

PEOPLE OUT THERE?

WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?

>> Welker: LET'S TALK ABOUT--

>> 401(K)s, KRISTEN.

401(K)s ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.

>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE

ON.

>> HE DOESN'T COME FROM

SCRANTON.

HE LIVED THERE FOR A SHORT

PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE HE EVEN

KNEW IT AND HE LEFT DISPLEL LET

ME MOVE ON MY MY NEXT QUESTION.

AS OF TONIGHT, MORE THAN 12

MILLION PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK,

AND AS OF TONIGHT EIGHT MILLION

MORE AMERICANS HAVE FALLEN INTO

POVERTY AND MORE FAMILIES ARE

GOING HUNGRY EVERY DAY.

THOSE HIT HARDEST ARE WOMEN AND

PEOPLE OF COLOR.

THEY SEE WASHINGTON FIGHTING

OVER A RELIEF BILL.

MR. PRESIDENT, WHY HAVEN'T YOU

BEEN ABLE TO GET THEM THE HELP

THEY NEED?

30 SECONDS.

>> NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T WANT IT.

>> Welker: YOU'RE THE

PRESIDENT.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I

THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER

THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF HER.

NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T WANT TO

APPROVE ANYTHING BECAUSE SHE

WOULD LOVE TO HAVE VICTORIES ON

A DATE CALLED NOVEMBER 3.

NANCY PELOSI DOES NOT WANT TO

APPROVE IT.

WE ARE READY, WILLING, AND ABLE

TO DO IT.

WE HAVE APPROVED THREE PLANS,

INCLUDING THE DEMOCRATS, IN ALL

FAIRNESS.

THIS ONE SHE DOESN'T WANT

BECAUSE SHE THINKS IT HELPS HER

POLITICALLY.

I THINK IT HURTS HER

POLITICALLY.

>> THE REPUBLICAN LEADER IN THE

UNITED STATES SENATE SAID HE

CAN'T PASS IT.

HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PASS IT.

HE DOES NOT HAVE REPUBLICAN

VOTES.

WHY ISN'T HE TALKING TO HIS

REPUBLICAN FRIENDS.

>> Welker: LET ME FOLLOW UP

WITH YOU, VICE PRESIDENT.

LET ME ASK VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

A QUESTION.

YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHY HAVE YOU

NOT PUSHED THE DEMOCRATS TO GET

A DEAL FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

>> I HAVE.

I HAVE PUSHED IT.

THEY PASSED THIS ACT ALL THE WAY

BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE

SUMMER.

THIS IS NOT NEW.

IT'S BEEN OUT THERE.

THIS HERO'S ACT HAS BEEN SITTING

THERE.

AND LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

WHEN I WAS IN CHARGE OF THE

RECOVERY ACT, WITH $800 BILLION,

I WAS ABLE TO GET $145 BILLION

TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE

TO THEIR BUDGETS, THE STATES

THAT HAVE TO BALANCE THEIR

BUDGETS, AND THEY HAD TO FIRE

FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS, FIRST

RESPONDERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT

OFFICERS SO THEY COULD KEEP

THEIR CITIES AND COUNTIES

RUNNING.

HE WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT.

THEY HAVE NOT DONE A THING FOR

THEM.

AND MITCH McCONNELL SAID LET

THEM GO BANKRUPT.

LET THEM GO BANKRUPT.

COME ON.

WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH THESE

GUYS.

>> THE BILL PASSED IN THE HOUSE

WAS A BAILOUT OF BADLY RUN,

HIGH-CRIME DEMOCRAT, ALL RUN BY

DEMOCRATS, CITIES AND STATES.

IT WAS A WAY OF GETTING A LOT OF

MONEY, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF

DOLLARS TO THESE-- IT WAS ALSO A

WAY OF GETTING A LOT OF MONEY

FROM OUR PEOPLE'S POCKETS TO

PEOPLE THAT COME INTO OUR

COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

WE WERE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF

EVERYTHING FOR THEM.

AND WHAT THAT DOES-- AND I'D

LOVE TO DO THAT.

I'D LOVE TO HELP THEM.

WHAT THAT DOES, EVERYBODY ALL

OVER THE WORLD WILL START

POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY.

WE CAN'T DO IT.

THIS WAS A WAY OF TAKING CARE OF

THEM.

THIS WAS A WAY OF SPENDING ON

THINGS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO

WITH COVID, AS PER YOUR

QUESTION.

BUT IT WAS REALLY A BIG BAILOUT

FOR BADLY RUN DEMOCRAT CITIES

AND STATES.

>> FIGET ELECTED-- I'M RUNNINGAS

A PROUD DEMOCRAT, BUT I'M GOING

TO BE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

I DON'T SEE RED STATES AND BLUE

STATES.

WHAT I SEE IS AMERICAN, UNITED

STATES.

AND, FOLK, EVERY SINGLE STATE

OUT THERE FINDS THEMSELVESES IN

TROUBLE, THEY'RE GOING TO START

LAYING OFF, WHETHER THEY'RE RED

OR BLUE, COPS, FIREFIGHTERS,

FIRST RESPONDERS, TEACHERS,

BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BALANCE

THEIR BEEN.

THE FOUNDERS ALLOWED THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT TO DEFICIT SPEND FOR

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

>> Welker: I WANT TO TALK

ABOUT THE MINIMUM WAGE.

MR. VICE PRESIDENT, WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT STRUGGLING SMALL

BUSINESS AND BUSINESS OWNERS

THESE DAYS.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT

TIME TO ASK THEM TO RAISE THE

MINIMUM WAGE.

YOU SUPPORT RAY $15 MINIMUM

WAGE?

>> I DO.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL HAVE

TO DO IS BAIL THEM OUT, TOO.

WE SHOULD BE BAILING THEM OUT

NOW, THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES.

YOU HAVE ONE IN SIX OF THEM

GOING UNDER.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO

MAKE IT.

THEY PASSED A PACKAGE, CALLED

P.P.E., MONEY THAT IS SUPPOSED

TO HELP THEM DO EVERYTHING FROM

ORGANIZE HOW THEY CAN DEAL WITH

THEIR BUSINESSES BEING OPEN

SAFELY, SCHOOLS, HOW THEY CAN

MAKE CLASSROOMS SMALLER, HOW

THEY CAN HIRE MORE TEACHERS, HOW

THEY CAN PUT VENTILATION SYSTEMS

IN.

THEY NEED THE HELP, THE

BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE

SCHOOLS, NEED THE HELP.

BUT THIS-- THESE GUYS WILL NOT

HELP THEM.

NOT GIVING THEM ANY OF THE

MONEY.

>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO-- TO--

>> SMALL BUSINESSES BY RAISING

THE MINIMUM WAGE?

THAT'S NOT HELPING.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE A STATE

OPTION.

ALABAMA IS DIFFERENT FROM NEW

YORK, NEW YORK IS DIFFERENT FROM

VERMONT.

EVERY STATE IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE TO HELP OUR SMALL

BUSINESSES.

>> Welker: YOU SAID--

>> HOW ARE YOU HELPING YOUR

SMALL BUSINESSES WHEN YOU'RE

FORCING WAGES?

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND

WHAT'S BEEN PROVEN TO HAPPEN IS

WHEN YOU DO THAT, THESE SMALL

BUSINESSES FIRE MANY OF THEIR

EMPLOYEES.

>> Welker: YOU SAID VERY

RECENTLY YOU WOULD CONSIDER

RAISING THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE

TO $15 AN HOUR.

YOU SAID RECENTLY YOU WOULD

CONSIDER RAISING THE FEDERAL

MINIMUM WAGE TO $15 AN HOUR.

IS THAT STILL THE CASE.

IN A SECOND ADMINISTRATION?

>> YOU KNOW, IN A SECOND

ADMINISTRATION, BUT NOT TO A

LEVEL THAT'S GOING TO PUT ALL

THESE BUSINESSES OUT OF

BUSINESS.

IT SHOULD BE A STATE OPTION.

LOOK, DIFFERENT PLACES, I KNOW

DIFFERENT PLACES.

THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.

SOME PLACES-- $15 IS NOT SO BAD.

IN OTHER PLACES, OTHER STATES,

$15 WOULD BE RUINOUS.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP.

QUICK RESPONSE, VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN.

>> TWO JOBS, ONE JOB, BELOW

POVERTY.

PEOPLE ARE MAKING SIX, SEVEN,

EIGHT BUCKS AN HOUR.

THE FIRST RESPONDERS WE ALL CLAP

FOR AS THEY COME DOWN THE STREET

BECAUSE THEY ALLOW US TO MAKE

IT.

THEY DESERVE A MINIMUM WAGE $15.

ANYTHING BELOW THAT PUTS YOU

BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL.

AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHEN

YOU RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE

BUSINESSES GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO TALK

ABOUT IMMIGRATION.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT

IMMIGRATION NOW, GENTLEMEN, AND

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT

FAMILIES WITHIN THIS CONTEXT.

MR. PRESIDENT, YOUR

ADMINISTRATION SEPARATED

CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS AT

THE BORDER, AT LEAST 4,000 KIDS.

YOU'VE SINCE REVERSED YOUR ZERO

TOLERANCE POLICY BUT THE UNITED

STATES CAN'T LOCATE THE PARENTS

OF MORE THAN 500 CHILDREN.

HOW WILL THESE FAMILIES EVER BE

REUNITED.

>> CHILDREN ARE BROUGHT HERE BY

COYOTES AND LOTS OF BAD PEOPLE--

CARTELS-- AND THEY'RE BROUGHT

HERE, AND THEY USED TO USE THEM

TO GET INTO OUR COUNTRY.

WE NOW HAVE AS STRONG A BORDER

AS WE'VE EVER HAD.

WE'RE OVER 400 MILES OF BRAND

NEW WALL.

YOU SEE THE NUMBERS.

AND WE LET PEOPLE IN, BUT THEY

HAVE TO COME IN LEGALLY, AND

THEY COME IN THROUGH--

>> Welker: BUT HOW WILL YOU

REUNITE THESE CHILDREN WITH

THEIR FAMILY.

>> THEY USED TO SAY I BUILT THE

CAGES AND THEY HAD THE PICTURES

IN A CERTAIN NEWSPAPER, AND IT

WAS A PICTURE OF THESE HORRIBLE

CAGES AND THEY SAID LOOK AT

THESE CAGES.

PRESIDENT TRUMP BUILT THEM.

AND THEN IT WAS DETERMINED THEY

WERE BUILT IN 2014.

THAT WAS HIM.

>> Welker: DO YOU HAVE A PLAN

TO REUNITE THE KIDS?

>> WE'RE WORKING ON IT VERY--

WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD.

BUT A LOT OF THESE KIDS COME OUT

WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS.

THEY COME OUT THROUGH CARTELS

AND COYOTES AND GANGS.

>> Welker: A QUICK RESPONSE

AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> THESE 500-PLUS KIDS CAME WITH

PARENTS.

THEY SEPARATED THEM AT THE

BORDER TO MAKE IT A DISINCENTIVE

TO COME TO BEGIN WITH.

REAL TOUGH.

WE'RE REALLY STRONG.

AND GUESS WHAT?

THEY CANNOT-- IT'S NOT COYOTES

DIDN'T BRING THEM OVER.

THEIR PARENTS WERE WITH THEM.

THEY GOT SEPARATED FROM THEIR

PARENTS, AND MAKES US A LAUGHING

STOCK AND VIOLATES EVERY NOTION

OF WHO WE ARE AS A NATION.

>> O'Donnell:NATION.

>> Welker: LET ME ASK YOU A

FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.

>> THEY DID IT.

WE CHANGED THE POLICY.

WHO BUILT THE CAGES, JOE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT--

>> WHO BUILT THE CAGES, JOE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WERE

TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT HAPPENED.

PARENTS-- THE KIDS WERE RIPPED

FROM THEIR ARMS AND WERE

SEPARATED AND NOW THEY CANNOT

FIND OVER 500 SETS OF THOSE

PARENTS, AND THOSE KIDS ARE

ALONE, NOWHERE TO GO, NOWHERE TO

GO.

IT'S CRIMINAL.

IT'S CRIMINAL.

>> Welker: LET ME--

>> KRISTEN, I WILL SAY THAT,

THEY WENT DOWN, WE BROUGHT

REPORTERS, EVERYTHING.

THEY ARE SO WELL TAKEN CARE OF.

THEY'RE IN FACILITIES THAT WERE

CLEAN.

>> Welker: BUT SOME OF THEM

HAVEN'T BEEN REUNITED WITH THEIR

FAMILIES.

>> ONE QUESTION.

WHO BUILT THE CAGES?

I'D LOVE YOU TO ASK THAT.

>> Welker: LET ME ASK YOU

ABOUT YOUR ADMINISTRATION

POLICY, MR. VICE PRESIDENT.

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION PRESIDED

OVER RECORD DEPORTATIONS AS WELL

AS FAMILY DETENTIONS BEFORE

CHANGING FORCE.

WHY SHOULD THE VOTERS TRUST YOU

WITH OVERHAUL NOW?

>> IT TOOK TOO LONG TO GET IT

RIGHT.

I'LL BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES, NOT VICE PRESIDENT OF

THE UNITED STATES.

AND THE FACT IS I'VE MADE IT

VERY CLEAR, WITHIN 100 DAYS, I'M

GOING TO SEND TO THE UNITED

STATES CONGRESS A PATHWAY TO

CITIZENSHIP FOR OVER 11 MILLION

UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE.

AND ALL OF THOSE SO-CALLED

DREAMERS, THOSE DACA KIDS,

THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMMEDIATELY

CERTIFIED AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO

STAY IN THIS COUNTRY AND PUT ON

A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE BEING

SENT HOME BY THIS GUY, AND THEY

WANT TO DO THAT, IS THEY GO TO A

COUNTRY THEY'VE NEVER SEEN

BEFORE.

I CAN IMAGINE, YOU'RE FIVE YEARS

OLD, YOUR PARENTS TAKE YOU

ACROSS THE RIO GRANDE RIVER, AND

IT'S ILLEGAL.

AND YOU SAY OH, NO, MOM, LEAVE

ME HERE.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO WITH YOU.

THEY'VE BEEN HERE.

MANY OF THEM ARE MODEL CITIZENS.

OVER 20,000 OF THEM ARE FIRST

RESPONDERS OUT THERE TAKING CARE

OF PEOPLE DURING THIS CRISIS.

WE OWE THEM.

WE OWE THEM.

>> Welker: MR. PRESIDENT.

>> HE HAD EIGHT YEARS TO DO WHAT

HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO.

AND I'VE CHANGED-- WITHOUT

HAVING A SPECIFIC-- WE GOT RID

OF CATCH AND RELEASE.

WE GOT RID OF A LOT OF HORRIBLE

THINGS THAT THEY PUT IN.

HE HAD EIGHT YEARS HE WAS VICE

PRESIDENT.

HE DID NOTHING EXCEPT BUILD

CAGES TO KEEP CHILDREN IN.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN, YOUR RESPONSE.

>> WRONG.

THE CATCH AND RELEASE, YOU KNOW

WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THERE?

IF IN FACT YOU HAD A FAMILY,

CAME ACROSS, AND THEY WERE

ARRESTED, THEY IN FACT WERE

GIVEN A DATE TO SHOW UP FOR

THEIR FAMILY.

THEY WERE RELEASED.

AND GUESS WHAT?

THEY SHOWED UP FOR A HEARING.

AND THIS IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT

IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED

STATES OF AMERICA ANYBODY

SEEKING ASYLUM HAS TO DO IT IN

ANOTHER COUNTRY.

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN

AMERICA.

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN

AMERICA.

YOU COME TO THE UNITED STATES

AND YOU MAKE YOUR CASE THAT I

SEEK ASYLUM BASED ON THE

FOLLOWING PREMISE, WHY I DESERVE

IT, UNDER AMERICAN LAW.

THEY'RE SITTING IN SQUALOR ON

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,

YOUR RESPONSE.

30 SECONDS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE

ON.

>> IT JUST SHOWS HE HAS NO

UNDERSTANDING OF IMMIGRATION OF

THE LAWS.

CATCH AND RELEASE IS A DISASTER.

A MURDERER WOULD COME IN.

A RAPIST WOULD COME IN.

A VERY BAD PERSON WOULD COME IN.

WE WOULD TAKE THEIR NAME.

WE WOULD HAVE TO RELEASE THEM

INTO OUR COUNTRY, AND THEN YOU

SAY THEY COME BACK.

LESS THAN 1% OF THE PEOPLE COME

BACK.

WE HAVE TO SEND ICE OUT.

>> NOT TRUE.

>> AND BORDER PATROL OUT TO FIND

THEM.

WE WOULD SAY COME BACK IN TWO

YEARS, THREE YEARS.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A COURT

CASE.

YOU NEED PERRY MASON.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A COURT

CASE.

WHEN THEY SAY THEY COME BACK,

THEY NEVER COME BACK, JOE.

THEY NEVER COME BACK.

ONLY THE REALLY-- I HATE TO SAY

THIS-- BUT THOSE WITH THE LOWEST

I.Q., THEY MIGHT COME BACK.

>> Welker: LET'S GIVE VICE

PRESIDENT BIDEN A CHANCE TO

RESPOND, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOUR

RESPONSE.

>> IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

>> THEY DON'T COME BACK.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

IT, BECAUSE I TERMINATED IT.

>> AND YOU HAVE 525 KIDS NOT

KNOWING WHERE IN GOD'S NAME

THEY'RE GOING TO BE AND LOST

THEIR PARENTS.

>> Welker: LET'S TALK ABOUT

OUR NEXT SECTION, WHICH IS RACE

IN AMERICA.

AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WAY

BLACK AND BROWN AMERICANS

EXPERIENCE RACE IN THIS COUNTRY.

PART OF THAT EXPERIENCE IS

SOMETHING CALLED "THE TALK."

IT HAPPENS REGARDLESS OF CLASS

AND INCOME.

PARENTS WHO FEEL THEY HAVE NO

CHOICE BUT TO PREPARE THEIR

CHILDREN FOR THE CHANCE THAT

THEY COULD BE TARGETED,

INCLUDING BY THE POLICE, FOR NO

REASON OTHER THAN THE COLOR OF

THEIR SKIN.

MR. VICE PRESIDENT, IN THE NEXT

TWO MINUTES, I WANT YOU TO SPEAK

DIRECTLY TO THESE FAMILIES.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THESE

PARENTS FEAR FOR THEIR CHILDREN?

>> YOU KNOW, I DO.

I DO.

YOU KNOW, MY DAUGHTER IS A

SOCIAL WORKER.

AND SHE'S-- SHE'S WRITTEN A LOT

ABOUT THIS.

SHE HAS HER GRADUATE DEGREE FROM

THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA

IN SOCIAL WORK.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE

REASONS WHY I ENDED UP WORKING

ON THE EAST SIDE OF WILMINGTON,

DELAWARE, WHICH IS 90% AFRICAN

AMERICAN WAS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT

WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I NEVER HAD TO TELL MY DAUGHTER

IF SHE'S PULLED OVER, MAKE SURE

SHE PUTS-- FOR A TRAFFIC STOP,

PUT BOTH HANDS ON TOP OF THE

WHEEL AND DON'T REACH FOR THE

GLOVE BOX BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY

SHOOT YOU.

BUT A BLACK PARENT, NO MATTER

HOW WEALTHY OR HOW POOR THEY

ARE, HAS TO TEACH THEIR CHILD,

WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE

STREET, DON'T HAVE A HOODIE ON

WHEN YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET,

MAKING SURE THAT YOU, IN FACT,

IF YOU GET PULLED OVER, "YES,

SIR, NO, SIR," HAND ON TOP OF

THE WHEEL BECAUSE YOU ARE, IN

FACT, A VICTIM WHETHER YOU'RE A

PERSON MAKING $300,000-A-YEAR

PERSON OR SOMEONE WHO IS ON FOOD

STAMPS.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THERE

IS INSTITUTIONAL RACISM IN

AMERICA.

AND WE HAVE ALWAYS SAID-- WE'VE

NEVER LIVED UP TO IT-- WE HOLD

THESE TRUTH TO BE SELF-EVIDENT.

ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE CREATED

EQUAL.

WE NEVER LIVED UP TO IT.

WE HAVE CONSTANTLY BEEN MOVING

THE NEEDLE FURTHER AND FURTHER

TO INCLUSION, NOT EXCLUSION.

THIS IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO

COME ALONG AND SAY THAT'S THE

END OF THAT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT

ANYMORE.

WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR ECONOMIC

OPPORTUNITY, BETTER EDUCATION,

BETTER HEALTH CARE, BETTER

ACCESS TO SCHOOLING, BETTER

ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY TO BARROW

MONEY TO START BUSINESSES.

ALL THE THINGS WE CAN DO-- AND

I'VE LAID OUT A CLEAR PLAN AS TO

HOW TO DO THOSE THINGS, JUST TO

GIVE PEOPLE A SHOT.

IT'S ABOUT ACCUMULATING THE

ABILITY TO HAVE WEALTH AS WELL

AS IT IS TO BE FREE FROM

VIOLENCE.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP,

SAME QUESTION TO YOU, AND LET ME

REMIND YOU OF THE QUESTION.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SPEAK

DIRECTLY TO THESE FAMILIES.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THESE

PARENTS FEAR FOR THEIR CHILDREN?

>> YES, I DO.

AND, AGAIN, HE'S BEEN IN

GOVERNMENT 47 YEARS, HE NEVER

DID A THING, EXCEPT IN 1994,

WHEN HE DID SUCH HARM TO THE

BLACK COMMUNITY, AND THEY WERE

CALLED, AND HE CALLED THEM,

SUPER PREDATORS, AND HE SAID

THAT.

HE SAID IT.

SUPER PREDATORS.

AND THEY CAN NEVER LIVE THAT

DOWN.

1994 YOUR CRIME BILL, THE SUPER

PREDATORS.

NOBODY HAS DONE MORE FOR THE

BLACK COMMUNITY THAN DONALD

TRUMP.

AND IF YOU LOOK, WITH THE

EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN--

POSSIBLE EXCEPTION, BUT THE

EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN--

NOBODY HAS DONE WHAT I'VE DONE.

CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

OBAMA AND JOE DIDN'T DO IT.

I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY TRIED

BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHANCE AT

DOING IT.

THEY MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO DO IT,

BUT IF YOU HAD TO SEE THE ARMS I

HAD TO TWIST TO GET THAT DONE,

IT WAS NOT A PRETTY PICTURE.

AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT,

INCLUDING SOME VERY LIBERAL

PEOPLE, THAT CRIED IN MY OFFICE.

THEY CRIED IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

TWO WEEKS LATER THEY'RE OUT

SAYING, GEE, WE HAVE TO DEFEAT

HIM.

CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, PRISON

REFORM, OPPORTUNITY ZONES WITH

TIM SCOTT, A GREAT SENATOR FROM

SOUTH CAROLINA, HE CAME IN WITH

THIS INCREDIBLE IDEA FOR

OPPORTUNITY ZONES.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL

PROGRAMS.

PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.

TREMENDOUS INVESTMENT IS BEING

MADE-- BIGGEST BENEFICIARY-- THE

BLACK AND HISPANIC COMMUNITIES.

AND THEN HISTORICALLY BLACK

COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, AFTER

THREE YEARS OF COMING TO THE

OFFICE, I LOVE SOME OF THOSE

GUYS, THEY WERE GREAT.

THEY CAME INTO THE OFFICE, AND

THEY SAID-- I SAID WHAT ARE YOU

DOING-- AFTER THREE YEARS I SAID

WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK?

BECAUSE WE HAVE NO FUNDING.

I SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME

BACK EVERY YEAR.

WE HAVE TO COME BACK.

BECAUSE PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD

NEVER GIVE THEM LONG-TERM

FUNDING AND I DID, 10-YEAR,

NG-TERM FUNDING AND I GAVE

EM MORE MONEY THAN THEY ASKED

R.

SAID I THINK YOU NEED MORE.

SAID THE ONLY BAD PART ABOUT

IS IS I MAY NEVER SEE YOU

AIN.

GOT VERY FRIENDLY WITH THEM.

D THEY LIKE ME, AND I LIKE

EM.

-

Welker: WE'RE GOING TO TALK

OUT BOTH OF YOUR RECORDS, BUT

UR RESPONSE TO THAT, VICE

ESIDENT.

MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS I

NEVER, EVER SAID WHAT HE ACCUSED

ME OF SAYING.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IN

2000, AFTER THE CRIME BILL HAD

BEEN THE LAW FOR A WHILE, THIS

IS THE GUY WHO SAID THE PROBLEM

WITH THE CRIME BILL IS THERE ARE

NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN JAIL.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN

JAIL.

AND GO ON MY WEB SITE, GET THE

QUOTE, THE DATE, WHEN HE SAID

IT, NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE.

HE TALKED ABOUT MARAUDING GANGS,

YOUNG GANGS, AND THE PEOPLE WHO

WERE GOING TO MARAUD OUR CITIES.

THIS IS A GUY WHO IN THE CENTRAL

PARK FIVE, FIVE INNOCENT BLACK

KIDS, HE CONTINUED TO PUSH FOR

MAKING SURE THEY GOT THE DEATH

PENALTY.

NONE OF THEM WERE GUILTY OF THE

CRIMES THEY WERE SUGGESTED.

LOOK, AND TALK ABOUT-- GRANTED,

HE DID, IN FACT, LET 20 PEOPLE--

HE COMMUTED 20 PEOPLE'S

SENTENCES.

WE COMMUTE OVER 1,000 PEOPLE'S

SENTENCES, OVER 1,000.

THE VERY LAW HE'S TALKING ABOUT

IS THE LAW THAT, IN FACT,

INITIATED BY BARACK OBAMA, AND

SECONDLY, WE'RE IN A SITUATION

HERE WHERE THE FEDERAL PRISON

SYSTEM WAS REDUCED BY 38,000

PEOPLE UNDER OUR ADMINISTRATION.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD

BE DOING, THERE SHOULD BE NO, NO

MINIMUM MANDATORIES IN THE LAW.

THAT'S WHY I'M OFFERING $20

BILLION TO STATES TO CHANGE

THEIR STATE LAWS TO ELIMINATE

MINIMUM MANDATORIES AND SET UP

DRUG COURTS.

NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL

BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DRUG

PROBLEM.

THEY SHOULD GO GOING TO

REHABILITATION, NOT TO JAIL.

WE SHOULD FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE

THE SYSTEM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M

GOING TO DO.

>> WHY DIDN'T HE DO THAT FOUR

YEARS AGO?

WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT FOUR

YEARS AGO, EVEN LESS THAN THAT.

YOU WERE VICE PRESIDENT.

YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE

THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO DO, AND

YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

BUT YOU WERE THERE JUST A SHORT

TIME AGO, AND YOU GUYS DID

NOTHING.

YOU KNOW, JOE, I RAN BECAUSE OF

YOU.

I RAN BECAUSE OF BARACK OBAMA.

BECAUSE YOU DID A POOR JOB.

IF I THOUGHT YOU DID A GOOD JOB,

I WOULD HAVE NEVER RUN.

I WOULD HAVE NEVER RUN.

I RAN BECAUSE OF YOU.

I'M LOOKING AT YOU NOW, YOU'RE A

POLITICIAN, I RAN BECAUSE OF

YOU.

>> Welker: ALL RIGHT, VICE

PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOUR RESPONSE

TO THAT, AND I DO HAVE SOME

QUESTIONS FOR BOTH OF YOU.

>> I TELL YOU WHAT, I HOPE HE

DOES LOOK AT ME, BECAUSE WHAT'S

HAPPENING HERE.

YOU KNOW WHO I AM.

YOU KNOW WHO HE IS.

YOU KNOW HIS CHARACTER.

YOU KNOW MY CHARACTER.

YOU KNOW OUR REPUTATIONS FOR

HONOR AND TELLING THE TRUTH.

I AM ANXIOUS TO HAVE THIS RACE.

I AM ANXIOUS TO SEE THIS TAKE

PLACE.

I AM-- THE CHARACTER OF THE

COUNTRY IS ON WILL BALLOT.

OUR CHARACTER IS ON THE BALLOT.

LOOK AT US CLOSELY.

>> Welker: PLEASE, RESPOND,

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

FOLLOW-UP.

>> RUSSIA, UKRAINE, CHINA, OTHER

COUNTRIES, IRAQ, IF THIS IS

TRUE, HE'S A CORRUPT POLITICIAN.

DON'T GIVE ME THE STUFF ABOUT

HOW YOU'RE THIS INNOCENT BABY.

JOE, THEY'RE CALLING YOU A

CORRUPT POLITICIAN.

>> NOBODY IS CALLING ME--

>> Welker: I WANT TO STAY ON

THE ISSUE OF RACE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT-- PRESIDENT

TRUMP-- PRESIDENT

TRUMP-- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RACE

RIGHT NOW, AND I DO WANT TO STAY

ON THE ISSUE OF RACE.

>> I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

>> Welker: PLEASE, QUICKLY.

>> THERE ARE 50 FORMER NATIONAL

INTELLIGENCE FOLKS WHO SAID THAT

WHAT HE IS ACCUSING ME OF IS A

RUSSIAN PLANT.

THEY HAVE SAID THIS HAS ALL

THE-- FIVE FORMER HEADS OF THE

C.I.A., BOTH PARTIES, SAY WHAT

HE'S SAYING IS A BUNCH OF

GARBAGE.

NOBODY BELIEVES IT EXCEPT HIM

AND HIS GOOD FRIEND, RUDY

GIULIANI.

>> YOU MEAN THE LAPTOP IS NOW

ANOTHER RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA,

HOAX.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT-- THAT'S

EXACTLY WHAT--

>> THIS IS WHERE HE'S GOING.

>>THELAP TOP IS RUSSIA, RUSSIA,

RUSSIA.

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING.

HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH RUSSIA.

>> Welker: WE'RE GOING TO

CONTINUE ON THE ISSUE OF RACE.

YOU DESCRIBED THE BLACK LIVES

MOVEMENT AS A SYMBOL OF HATE.

YOU SAID BLACK PROFESSIONAL

ATHLETES EXERCISING THEIR FIRST

AMENDMENT RIGHTS SHOULD BE

FIRED.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS WHO

SAY THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE FROM A

PRESIDENT IS CONTRIBUTING TO A

CLIMATE OF HATE AND RACIAL

STRIFE.

>> THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD

OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, THEY WERE

CHANTING, PIGS IN A BLANKET--

TALKING ABOUT POLICE-- PIG,

PIGS, PIGS IN A BLANKET.

FRY THEM LIKE BACON.

I SAID THAT WAS A HORRIBLE

THING.

AND THEY WERE MARCHING WERE MARCHING DOWN THE

STREET.

AND THAT WAS MY FIRST GLIMPSE OF

BLACK LIVERS MATSER.

I-- BLACK LIVES MATTER.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A TERRIBLE

THING.

AS FAR AS MY RELATIONSHIPS WITH

ALL PEOPLE, I THINK I HAVE GREAT

RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL PEOPLE.

I AM THE LEAST RACIST PERSON IN

THIS ROOM.

>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS

WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT

RHETORIC.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

I HAVE GOT CRIMINAL JUSTICE

REFORM DONE AND PRISON REFORM

AND OPPORTUNITY ZONES, I TOOK

CARE OF BLACK COLLEGES AND

UNIVERSITIES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

THEY CAN SAY ANYTHING.

I MEAN THEY CAN SAY ANYTHING.

IT'S A VERY-- IT MAKES ME SAD

BECAUSE I AM, I AM THE LEAST

RACIST PERSON.

I CAN'T EVEN SEE THE AUDIENCE

BECAUSE IT'S SO DARK.

BUT I DON'T CARE WHO IS IN THE

AUDIENCE, I'M THE LEAST RACIST

PERSON IN THIS ROOM.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT BIED

INLET ME ASK YOU QUUKLY.

>> ABRAHAM LINCOLN ONE OF

THE-- HE POURS FUEL ON EVERY

SING EM RACIST FIRE.

EVERY SINGLE ONE, STARTED OFF

HIS CAMPAIGN COMING DOWN SAYING

HE WOULD GET RID OF THOSE

MEXICAN RAPISTS, HE BANNED

MUSLIM BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIM.

HE MOVED AROUND AND MADE

EVERYTHING WORSE

ACROSS-THE-BOARD.

HE SAYS ABOUT THE POOR BOYS LAST

TIME WE WERE ON STAGE HERE, HE

TOLD THEM TO STAND DOWN AND

STAND READY, COME ON, THIS GUY

IS A DOG WHISTLE ABOUT AS BIG AS

A FOGHORN.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP I

WILL GIVE YOU TEN SECONDS TO

RESPOND.

>> YOU MADE A REFERENCE TO

ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

WHERE DOES THAT COME IN.

>> YOU SAID ARE YOU ABRAHAM

LINCOLN.

>> NO, NO, I SAID NOT SINCE

ABRAHAM LINCOLN HAS ANYBODY DONE

WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR THE BLACK

COMMUNITY.

>> AND I'M SAYING.

>> I DIDN'T SAY I AM ABRAHAM

LINCOLN.

I SAID NOT SINCE ABRAHAM LINCOLN

HAS ANYBODY DONE WHAT I HAVE

DONE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

NOW YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING OTHER

THAN THE CRIME BILL.

WHICH PUT.

>> OH GOD.

>> TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BLACK

MEN, MOSTLY IN JAIL.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY REMEMBER

IT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT

IS HAPPENING WITH THE VOTING

RIGHT NOW, THEY REMEMBER THAT

YOU TREATED THEM VERY, VERY

BADLY.

TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING

OUT THERE.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN LET ME GIVE YOU A RESPONSE

CHANCE TO RESPOND, THE CRIME

BILL YOU SUPPORTED IN THE 80S

AND 90S CONTRIBUTED TO THE

INCARCERATION OF THOUSANDS OF

BLACK MEN WHO HAD SMALL AMOUNTS

OF DRUGS IN THEIR PO STIONMENT

THEY ARE SONS, FATHERS,

BROTHERS, UNCLES WHOSE FAMILIES

ARE STILL TO THIS DAY SUFFERING

THE CONSEQUENCE, SO SPEAK TO

THOSE FAMILIES, WHY SHOULD THEY

VOTE FOR YOU.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT IN

THE 80S WE PASSED 100%, ALL 100

SENATORS VOTED FOR IT, A BILL ON

DRUG AND HOW THO DEAL WITH

DRUGS.

IT WAS A MISTAKE AM I HAVE BEEN

TRYING TO CHANGE IT SINCE THEN,

PARTICULARLY THE PORTION ON

COCAINE.

THAT IS WHY I HAVE BEEN ARGUING

THAT, IN FACT, WE SHOULD NOT

SEND ANYONE TO JAIL FOR A PURE

DRUG OFFENSE.

THEY SHOULD BE GOING INTO

TREATMENT, ACROSS-THE-BOARD.

THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE

SPENDING MONEY, THAT IS WHY I

SET UP DRUG COURTS WHICH WERE

NEVER FUNDED BY OUR REPUBLICAN

FRIENDS.

THEY SHOULD NOT BE GOING TO JAIL

FOR A DRUG OR AN ALCOHOL

PROBLEM.

THEY SHOULD BE GOING INTO

TREATMENT, TREATMENT.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING

TO DO.

THAT IS WHAT I AM GOING TO GET

DONE.

BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE

NOW SEEN THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE

TO PASS THOSE LAWS IN THE 80S OF

DRUGS, BUT THEY WERE NOT IN THE

CRIME BILL.

>> BUT WHY DIDN'T YOU GET IT

DONE, SEE ST ALL TALK, NO ACTION

WITH POLITICS.

WHY DIDN'T YOU GET IT DONE.

THAT IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO

WHEN I BECOME PRESIDENT, YOU

WERE VICE PRESIDENT ALONG WITH

OBAMA AS YOUR PRESIDENT, YOUR

LEADER, FOR EIGHT YEARS, WHY

DIDN'T YOU GET IT DONE?

YOU HAD EIGHT YEARS TO GET IT

DONE.

NOW YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE GOING

TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE YOU ARE

ALL TALK AND NO ACTION, JOE.

>> WE GOT A LOT OF IT DONE.

>> YOU DIDN'T GET ANYTHING DONE.

>> WE GOT 38,000 PRISONERS OUT.

>> YOU GOT NOTHING DONE.

>> 38,000 PRISONERS WERE

RELEASED FROM FEDERAL PRISON.

THERE WERE OVER A THOUSAND

PEOPLE WHO WERE GIVEN CLEMENCY.

WE ARE THE ONES THAT PUT IN THE

LEGISLATION SAYING WE COULD LOOK

AT PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY

WERE DOING.

HOW THEY WERE CONDUCTING

THEMSELVE.

I COULD GO ON.

BUT WE BEGAN THE PROCESS.

WE BEGAN THE PROCESS, WE LOST AN

ELECTION, THAT IS WHY I AM

RUNNING, TO WIN BACK THAT

ELECTION AND CHANGE HIS TERRIBLE

POLICIES.

>> WE WILL MOVE ON.

>> WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IN THE

EIGHT YEARS, A SHORT TIME OKAY.

WHY DIDN'T DO YOU IT?

YOU JUST SAID I'M GOING TO DO

THAT, I'M GOING TO DO THIS.

YOU PUT TENSES OF THOUSANDS OF

MOSTLY BLACK YOUNG MEN IN

PRISON.

NOW YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE GOING

GOING TO UNDO THAT, WHY DIDN'T

YOU GET IT DONE.

YOU HAD EIGHTIERS WITH OBAMA,

YOU KNOW WHY, JOE, BECAUSE YOU

ARE ALL TALK AND NO ACTION.

>> VICE PRESIDENT BIED EN, THEN

WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> BECAUSE WE HAD A REPUBLICAN

CONGRESS.

>> YOU HAVE TO TALK THEM INTO,

JOE, YOU HAVE TO TALK THEM INTO

IT.

>> Welker: WE WILL MOVE ON TO

OUR NEXT SECTION.

>> LIIC DID IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE

REFORMING I HAD TO TALK

DEMOCRATS THAT IT.

>> Welker: WE ARE RUNNING OUT

OF TIME, TO CLIMATE CHANGE

PLEASE, YOU BOTH HAVE VERY

DIFFERENT VISIONS ON CLIMATE

CHANGE.

PRESIDENT TRUMP YOU SAID

ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS HAVE

HURT JOBS IN THE ENERGY SECTOR.

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE

SAID YOU WOULD BE ADDRESSING

CLIMATE CHANGE AS AN OPPORTUNITY

TO CREATE NEW JOBS.

FOR EACH OF YOU, HOW WOULD YOU

BOTH COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE AND

SUPPORT JOB GROWTH AT THE SAME

TIME STARTING WITH YOU,

PRESIDENT TRUMP.

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES

UNINTERRUPTED.

>> SO IS WE HAVE THE TRILLION

TREES PROGRAM PROGRAM, WE HAVE

SO MANY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, I DO

LOVE THE VEUMENT BUT I WANT THE

CLEANEST, CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER,

THE CLEANEST OUR.

WE HAVE THE BEST, LOWEST NUMBER

IN CARBON EMISSIONS, WHICH IS A

BIG STANDARD THAT I NOTICE OBAMA

GOES WITH ALL THE TIME, NOT JOE,

I HAVEN'T HEARD JOE USE THE TERM

BECAUSE YOU I'M NOT SURE HE

UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT REPRESENTS

OR MEANS BUT I HAVE HEARD OBAMA

USE IT.

AND WE HAVE THE BEST CARBON

EMISSION NUMBERS WE HAVE HAD IN

35 YEARS UNDER THIS

ADMINISTRATION.

WE ARE WORKING SO WELL WITH

INDUSTRY.

BUT HERE IS WHAT WE CAN'T DO.

LOOK AT CHINA, HOW FILTHY IT IS.

LOOK AT RUSSIA, LOOK AT INDIA,

IT IS FILTHY.

THE AIR IS FILTHY.

THE PARIS ACCORD, I TOOK US OUT

BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO

SPEND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND

WE WERE TREATED VERY UNFAIRLY.

WHEN THEY PUT US IN THERE, THEY

DID US A GREAT DISSERVICE.

THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR

BUSINESSES.

I WILL NOT SACRIFICE TENS OF

MILLIONS OF JOBS, THOUSANDS AND

THOUSANDS OF COMPANIES BECAUSE

OF THE PARIS ACCORD.

IT WAS SO UNFAIR.

CHINA DOESN'T KICK IN UNTIL

2030.

RUSSIA GOES BACK TO A LOW

STANDARD AND WE KICKED IN RIGHT

AWAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN-- IT

WOULD HAVE DESTROYED OUR

BUSINESSES, SO YOU READY?

WE HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB

ENVIRONMENTALLY.

WE HAVE THE CLEANEST AIR, THE

CLEANEST WATER AND THE BEST

CARBON EMISSION STANDARDS THAN

WE'VE SEEN IN MANY MANY YEARS.

>> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.

>> AND WE HAVEN'T DESTROYED OUR

INDUSTRIES.

>> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, TWO

MONEYS TO YOU UNINTERRUPTED.

>> CLIMATE CHANGE, CLIMATE

WARMING, GLOBAL WARMING, IS AN

EXI SENGS THREAT TO YOUR

HUMANITY.

WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO

DEAL WITH IT.

AND WE'RE TOLD BY ALL THE

LEADING SCIEN FIRSTS IN THE

WORLD WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME.

WE'RE GOING TO PASS THE POINT OF

NO RETURN WITHIN THE NEXT EIGHT

TO TEN YEARS.

FOUR MORE YEARS OF THIS MAN

ELIMINATING ALL THE REGULATIONS

THAT WERE PUT IN BY US TO CLEAN

UP THE CLIMATE, TO CLEAN UP, TO

LIMIT, LIMITED EMISSIONS, WILL

PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE

GOING TO BE IN REAL TROUBLE.

HERE IS WHERE WE HAVE A GREAT

OPPORTUNITY.

I WAS ABLE TO GET BOTH ALL THE

ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS AS

WELL AS LABOR, PEOPLE WORRIED

ABOUT JOBS, TO SUPPORT MY

CLIMATE PLAN.

BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES, IT WILL

CREATE MILLIONS OF NEW GOOD

PAYING JOBS.

WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN, FOR

EXAMPLE, 500,000-- EXCUSE ME,

50,000 CHARGING STATIONS ON OUR

HIGHWAYS SO THAT WE CAN OWN THE

ELECTRIC CAR MARKET IN THE

FUTURE.

IN THE MEAN TIME CHINA IS DOING

THAT.

WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION

WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE TO IT

THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FOUR

MILLION EXISTING BILLION

BUILDINGS AND TWO MILLION

EXISTING HOMES AND RETROFIT THEM

SO THEY DON'T LEAK AS MUCH

ENERGY SAVING HUNDREDS OF

MILLIONS OF BARRELS OF OIL IN

THE PROCESS, AND CREATING

SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF JOBS.

AND BY THE WAY, THE WHOLE IDEA

OF WHAT THIS IS ALL GLING TO DO,

IT IS GOING TO CREATE MILLIONS

OF JOBS.

AND IT'S GOING TO CLEAN THE

ENVIRONMENT.

OUR HEALTH AND OUR JOBS ARE AT

STAKE.

THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.

AND RIGHT NOW BY THE WAY WALL

STREET FIRMS INDICATEDDED THAT

MY PLAN, MY PLAN WILL IN FACT

CREATE 18.6 MILLION JOBS, 7

MILLION NOR THAN HIS.

THIS IS FROM WALL STREET.

AND I WILL CREATE ONE TRILLION

MORE IN ECONOMIC GROWTH THAN HIS

PROPOSAL DOES.

NOT ON CLIMATE, JUST ON THE

ECONOMY.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> THEY CAME OUT AND SAID

STRONGLY 6,500 WILL BE TAKEN

AWAY FROM FAMILIES UNDER HIS

PLAN, THAT HIS PLAN IS AN

ECONOMIC DISASTER.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HE WANTS TO

DO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT

HIS-- NOTHING TO DO WITH

CLIMATE.

>> Thompson: YOU KNOW WHO

DEVELOPED IT, AOC PLUS THREE.

THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE

CLIMATE.

I MEAN SHE IS REAL ESTATE GOT A

GOOD LINE OF STUFF BUT SHE NOSE

NOTHING ABOUT THE CLIMATE.

AND THEY ARE ALL HOPPING THROUGH

HOOPS FOR AOC PLUS THREE.

THEIR REAL PLAN COSTS A HUNDRED

TRILLION DOLLARS.

IF WE HAD THE BEST YEAR IN THE

HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY FOR A

HUNDRED YEARS WE WOULD NOT EVEN

COME CLOSE TO A NUMBER LIKE

THAT.

WHEN HE SAYS BUILDINGS, THEY

WANT TO TAKE BUILDINGS DOWN

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE BIGGER

WINDOWS INTO SMALLER WINDOWS.

AS FAR AS THEY ARE CONCERNED, IF

YOU HAD NO WINDOW IT WOULD BE A

LOVELY THING.

THIS IS THE CRAZIEST PLAN THAT

ANYBODY HAS EVER SEEN.

AND THIS WASN'T DONE BY SMART

PEOPLE.

THIS WASN'T DONE BY ANYBODY,

FRANKLY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW

IT CAN BE GOOD POLITICALLY.

THEY WANT TO SPEND A HUNDRED

TRILLION, THAT IS THEIR REAL

NUMBER, HE IS TRYING TO SAY IT

WAS SIX, A HUNDRED TRILLION

DOLLARS.

THEY WANT TO KNOCK DOWN

BUILDINGS AND BUILD NEW

BUILDINGS

BUILDINGS WITH LITTLE TINY,

SMALL WINDOWS AND MANY OTHER

THINGS AND MANY OTHER THINGS.

>> Welker: LET ME HAVE THE

VICE PRESIDENT TO RESPOND.

WE ARE RUNG OUT OF TIME AND HAVE

A LOT MORE QUESTIONS.

LET'S HEAR FROM THE VICE

PRESIDENT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE COMES

FROM.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE COMES UP

WITH THESE NUMBERS.

A HUNDRED TRILLION DOLLARS, GIVE

ME A BREAK.

THIS PLAN WAS-- THIS PLAN IS

ENDORSED BY EVERY MAJOR, EVERY

MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP AND

EVERY LABOR GROUP, LABOR.

BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT FUTURE

LIES, THE FUTURE LIES IN US

BEING ABLE TO BREATHE AND THEY

KNOW THERE ARE GOOD JOBS IN

GETTING US THERE.

AND BY THE WAY, THE FASTEST

GROWING INDUSTRY IN AMERICA ARE,

IS THE ELECTRIC, EXCUSE ME, SO

THE AR ENERGY AND WIND.

HE THINKS WIND CAUSES CANCER,

WINDMILLS IT IS THE FASTEST

GROWING JOBS.

AND THEY PAY GOOD PREVAILING

WAGES.

45, 50 BUCKS AN HOUR.

WE CAN GROW AND WE CAN BE

CLEANER IF WE GO THE ROUTE I'M

PROPOSING.

>> Welker: PRESIDENT TRUMP

RESPOND AND THEN HAVE I TO

FOLLOW UP.

>> WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT FOR

THE FIRST TIME.

WE DON'T FEED ALL OF THESE

COUNTRIES THAT WE HAD TO FIGHT A

WAR OVER BECAUSE WE NEEDED THEIR

ENERGY.

WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT.

I KNOW MORE ABOUT WIND THAN YOU

DO.

IT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

IT KILLS ALL THE BURDENS.

IT IS VERY INTERMIT ENT.

GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS.

AND THEY HAPPEN TO MAKE THE

WINDMILLS IN BOTH GERMANY AND

CHINA.

AND THE FUMES COMING, IF YOU ARE

A BELIEVER IN CARBON EMISSION,

THE FUMES COMING UP TO MAKE

THESE MASSIVE WINDMILLS IS MORE

THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT WITH NATURAL GAS, WHICH IS

VERY CLEAN.

>> IF I MAY.

>> SOLAR, I LOVE SOLAR BUT SOLAR

DOESN'T QUITE HAVE IT YET.

IT IS NOT POWERFUL YET, TO

REALLY RUN OUR BIG BEAUTIFUL

FACTORIES THAT WE NEED TO

COMPETE WITH THE WORLD.

SO.

>> FALSE.

>> IT'S ALL A PIPEDREAM, BUT YOU

KNOW WHAT WE WILL DO.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE

GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD

BUT IF YOU WANT TO KILL THE

ECONOMY, GET RID OF YOUR OIL

INDUSTRY.

YOU WANT-- AND WHAT ABOUT

FRACKING.

NOW, NOW WE HAVE STO ASK

ABOUT-- .

>> Welker: LET ME ALLOW VICE

PRESIDENT BIED INTO RESPOND.

>> I NEVER SAID I OPPOSE

FRACKING.

>> YOU SAID IT ON TAPE.

>> SHOW THE TAPE, PUT IT ON YOUR

WEBSITE.

>> I WILL PUT IT ON.

>> PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU

FLAT LINED.

>> Welker: WOULD YOU RULE OUT

BANNING FRACKING.

>> I DO RULE OUT BANNING

FRACKING.

BECAUSE THE ANSWER, WE NEED, WE

NEED OTHER INDUSTRIES TO

TRANSITION, TO GET TO ULTIMATELY

A COMPLETE ZERO EMISSIONS BY

2025.

BUT WHAT I WILL DO WITH FRACKING

OVER TIME IS MAKE STHEUR THAT WE

CAN CAPTURE THE EMISSIONS FROM

THE FRACKING.

CAPTURE THE EMISSIONS FROM GAS.

WE CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN DO

THAT BY INVESTING MONEY IN DOING

IT.

BUT ST A TRANSITION TO THAT.

>> Welker: I HAVE ONE MORE

QUESTION AND THEN WE HAVE.

>> HE WAS AGAINST FRACKING.

HE SAID IT, I WILL SHOW THAT TO

YOU TOMORROW.

>> GOOD.

>> Welker: I AM AGAINST

FRACKING, UNTIL HE GOT THE

NOMINATION, WENT TO

PENNSYLVANIA, THEN HE SAID BUT

YOU KNOW WHAT, PENNSYLVANIA, HE

WILL BE AGAINST IT VERY SOON

BECAUSE HIS PARTY IS TOTALLY

AGAINST IT.

>> FRACK ON FEDERAL LAND, I

SAID, NO FRACKING FOR OIL ON

FEDERAL LAND.

>> Welker: LET ME ASK THIS

FINAL QUESTION IN THIS SECTION

AND THEN I WANT TO MOVE ON TO

OUR FINAL QUESTION.

PRESIDENT TRUMP PEOPLE OF COLOR

ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO LIVE

NEAR OIL REFINERIES AND CHEMICAL

PLANTS.

IN TEXAS THERE ARE FAMILIES WHO

WORRY THE PLANTS NEAR THEM ARE

MAKING THEM SICK.

YOUR ADMINISTRATION HAS ROLLED

BACK REGULATIONS ON THESE KINDS

OF FA SILTDS.

WHY SHOULD THESE FAMILY GIVE YOU

ANOTHER FOUR YEARS IN OFFICE.

>> THE FAMILIES THAT WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT ARE EMPLOYED

HEAVILY AND ARE MAKING A LOT OF

MONEY, MORE MONEY THAN THEY HAVE

EVER MADE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF

NUMBERS THAT WE PRODUCE FOR

HISPANIC OR BLACK OR ASIAN, IT

IS NINE TIMES GREATER, THE

PERCENTAGE GAINED THAN IT WAS

UNDER, IN THREE YEARS THAN IT

WAS UNDER EIGHT YEARS OF THE TWO

OF THEM, TO PUT IT NICELY.

NEUN TIMES MORE.

NOW SOMEBODY LIVES, HAVE I NOT

HEARD THE NUMBERS OR THE

STATISTICS THAT YOU ARE SAYING.

BUT THEY'RE MAKING A TREMENDOUS

AMOUNT OF MONEY ECONOMICICALLY.

WE SAVED IT AND I SUAVED IT

AGAIN A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO

WHEN OIL WAS CRASHING BECAUSE OF

THE PANDEMIC.

WE SUAVED IT.

WE GOT, SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT

RELATIONSHIP.

WE GOT SAUDI ARABIA, MEXICO AND

RUSSIA TO CUT BACK, WAY BACK.

WE SAVED OUR OIL INDUSTRY AND

NOW IT'S VERY VEUB RANT.

AND EVERYBODY HAS VERY

INEXPENSIVE GASOLINE, REMEMBER

THAT.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN YOUR RESPONSE AND THEN A

FINAL QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU.

>> MAY RESPONSE IS THAT THOSE

PEOPLE LIVE ON WHAT THEY CALL

FENCE LINES.

HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

THEY LIVE NEAR CHEMICAL PLANTS

THAT IN FACT POLLUTE CHEMICAL

PLANTS AND OIL PLANTS AND

REFINERIES THAT POLLUTE.

I USED TO LIP NEAR THAT WHEN I

WAS GROWING UP IN CLAYMONT DEL

AWARE AND THE OIL REFINERIES, IN

THE DELAWARE RIVER THAN THERE IS

ANY PLACE INCLUDING IN HOUSTON

AT THE ACTUAL.

WHEN MY MOM WOULD GET IN THE CAR

WITH THE FIRST FROST TO DRIVE ME

TO SCHOOL, THERE WOULD BE AN OIL

SLUK ON THE WINDOW, THAT IS WHY

SO MANY PEOPLE IN MY STATE WERE

DYING AND GETTING CANCER.

THE FACT IS THOSE FRONT LINE

COMMUNITIES, IT DOESN'T MATTER

WHAT YOU ARE PAYING THEM, IT

MATTERS HOW YOU KEEP THEM SAFE.

WHAT DO YOU DO, AND YOU DON'T

YOU IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON

POLL-- POLLUTANTS COMING OUT OF

THOSE FENCE LINE COMMUNITIES.

>> WOULD HE CLOSE DOWN THE OIL

INDUSTRY, WOULD YOU CLOSE DOWN

THE OIL INDUSTRY.

>> I WOULD TRANSITION FROM THE

OIL INDUSTRY, YES, I WOULD

TRANSITION.

>> THAT SAY BUG STATEMENT.

>> ST A BIG STATEMENT BECAUSE I

WOULD STOP-- .

>> Welker: WHY WOULD YOU DO

THAT.

>> BECAUSE THE OIL INDUSTRY

POLLUTES SIGNIFICANTLY.

>> I SEE.

>> HERE IS THE DEAL.

>> IF YOU LET MAY FINISH THE

STAWMENT, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE

REPLACED BY RENEWABLE ENERGY,

OVER TIME.

OVER TIME.

AND I STOP GIVING TO THE OIL

INDUSTRY, I WOULD STOP GIVING

THEM FEDERAL SUBSIDIES.

HE WON'T GUFF FEDERAL SUBSIDIES

TO THE GAS-- TO SOLAR, AND WIND,

WHY ARE WE GIVING IT TO OIL

INDUSTRY.

>> WE DO GIVE IT TO SOLAR AND

WUND AND THAT IS MAYBE THE

BUGGEST STATEMENT IN TERMS OF

BUSINESS, THAT IS THE BIGGEST

STATEMENT BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT

HE IS SAYING IS HE IS GOING TO

DESTROY-- THE OIL INDUSTRY.

WOULD YOU REMEMBER THAT, TEXAS,

WILL YOU REMEMBER THAT

PENNSYLVANIA, OKLAHOMA.

>> Welker: VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN LET ME GIVE YOU TEN

SECRETARIES TO RESPOND.

>> HE TAKES EVERYTHING OUT OF

CONTEXT.

BUT THE POINT IS WE HAVE TO MOVE

TOWARD A NET ZERO HE

MOITION-- EMISSIONS.

THE FIRST PLACE TO DO THAT BY

THE YEAR 2035 IS IN ENERGY

REDUCTION, BY 2050 TOTALLY.

>> IS HE GOING TO GET CHINA TO

DO THAT.

IS HE GOING TO GET CHINA TO DO

IT.

>> Welker: LET'S MOVE ON TO

THE.

>> NO, I WILL REGAIN PAR ACE

CORD AND MAKE CHINA ABIDE BY

WHAT THEY AGREED TO.

>> Welker: THIS IS ABOUT

LEADERSHIP, GENTLEMEN.M

AND THIS FIRST QUESTION DOES GO

TO YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP.

IMAGINE THIS IS YOUR

INAUGURATION DAY.

WHAT WILL YOU SAY IN YOUR

ADDRESS TO AMERICA, TO AMERICANS

WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU.

YOU WILL EACH HAVE ONE MINUTE

STARTING WITH YOU.

>> WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY

TOTALLY SUCCESSFUL AS IT WAS

PRIOR TO THE PLAGUE COMING IN

FROM CHINA.

NOW WE ARE REBUILDING IT AND

DOING RECORD NUMBERS 11.4 UNTIL

IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME ET

CETERA.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU, GO BACK,

BEFORE THE PLAGUE CAME IN, JUST

BEFORE, I WAS GETTING CALLS FROM

PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT NORMALLY

PEOPLE THAT WOULD CALL ME.

THEY WANTED TO GET TOGETHER.

WE HAD THE BEST BLACK

UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS IN THE

HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY.

HISPANIC, WOMEN, ASIAN, PEOPLE

WITH DIPLOMAS, WITH NO DIPLOMAS,

MUT GRADUATES, NUMBER ONE IN THE

CLASS, EVERYBODY HAS THE BEST

NUMBERS.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THE OTHER

SIDE WANTED TO GET TOGETHER.

THEY WANTED TO UNIFY.

SUCCESS IS GOING TO BRING US

TOGETHER.

WE ARE ON THE ROAD TO SUCCESS.

BUT I'M CUTTING TAXES, AND HE

WANTS TO RAISE EVERYBODY'S TAXES

AND HE WANTS TO PUT NEW

REGULATIONS ON EVERYTHING.

HE WILL KILL IT, IF HE GETS IN,

WILL YOU HAVE A DEPRESSION THE

LIKES OF WHICH YOU HAVE NEVER

SEEN.

YOUR 401(K)S WILL GO TO HELL.

AND IT WILL BE A VERY, VERY SAD

DAY FOR THIS COUNTRY.

>> ALL RIGHT, VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN, SAME QUESTION TO YOU,

WHAT WILL YOU SAY DURING YOUR

INAUGURAL ADDRESS TO AMERICANS

WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU?

>> I WILL SAY I AM AN AN

AMERICAN PRESIDENT, I REPRESENT

ALL OF YOU WHETHER YOU VOTED FOR

ME OR AGAINST ME.

AND I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT

YOU ARE REPRESENTED.

I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU HOPE,

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE, WE'LL

CHOOSE SCIENCE OVER FICTION, WE

WILL CHOOSE HOPE OVER FEAR, WE

WILL CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD

BECAUSE WE HAVE ENORMOUS

OPPORTUNITY, ENORMOUS

OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THINGS

BETTER.

WE CAN GROW THIS ECONOMY, WE CAN

DEAL WITH THE SYSTEMIC RACISM,

AT THE SAME TIME AND MAKE SURE

OUR ECONOMY IS BEING RUN AND

MOVED AND MOTIVATED BY CLEAN

ENERGY, CREATING MILLIONS OF NEW

JOBS.

AND THAT'S THE FACT, THAT IS

WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.

AND I'M GOING TO SAY AS I SAID

IN THE BEGINNING, WHAT IS ON THE

BALLOT HERE IS THE CHARACTER OF

THIS COUNTRY.

DECENCY, HONOR, RESPECT,

TREATING PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY,

MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS AN

EVEN CHANCE.

AND I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU

GET THAT.

YOU HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING IT THE

LAST FOUR YEARS.

>> Welker: ALL RIGHT, I WANT

TO THANK YOU BOTH FOR A VERY

ROBUST HOUR AND A HALF, A

FANTASTIC DEBATE, REALLY

APPRECIATE IT.

PRESIDENT TRUMP, FORMER VICE

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN, THANK YOU

TO BELL MONTH UNIVERSITY FOR

HOSTING US TONIGHT.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THANK YOU

TO THOSE WATCHING TONIGHT.

ELECTION DAY IS NOVEMBER

3rd.

DON'T FORGET TO VOTE.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

>> THANK YOU.

(APPLAUSE).

>> Woodruff: AND WITH THAT

MODERATOR KRISTEN WELKER WHO HAS

DONE A SUPERB JOB MODERATING

THIS DEBATE FOR THE LAST HOUR

AND A HALF THANKS THE

CANDIDATES, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

JOE BIDEN.

BOTH OF THESE MEN LANDED BLOWS

TONIGHT.

WE HEARD THEM GO AFTER EACH

OTHER'S CHARACTER.

WE HEARD THEM GO AFTER THEIR

POSITION ON THE ISSUES.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME THIS WAS

MUCH CLOSER TO A REAL DEBATE

THAN WHAT WE SAW THE LAST TIME

THEY WERE TOGETHER A FEW WEEKS

AGO.

THEY TALKED ABOUT CLIMATE.

THEY TALKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION.

THEY COVERED FOREIGN POLICY.

THEY TALKED ABOUT CHINA.

THEY DISCUSSED RACE IN AMERICA.

THEY TALKED ABOUT HEALTH CARE.

AND ON.

THIS WAS A SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE.

I THINK A MUCH MORE VALUABLE

DEBATE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

THAN WHAT WE HEARD IN THE FIRST

DEBATE.

SO I'M JUDY WOODRUFF, WELCOME

BACK TO THE PBS NEWSHOUR SPECIAL

KORCHG OF THIS DEA BAIT.

I WANT TO GO QUICKLY TO OUR

REPORTERS, YAMICHE ALCINDOR,

LISA DESJARDINS AND NICK

SCHIFRIN, ALL OF THEM BACK WITH

ME, AND NICK, YOU COVER FOREIGN

AFFAIRS, NATIONAL SECURITIMENT I

WANT TO COME TO YOU FIRST

BECAUSE THAT CAME UP SU

PRICINGLY MORE, I THINK, THAN

PEOPLE EXPECTED IT TO.

IN THIS DEBATE, CHINA, NORTH

KOREA, IRAN, AND A LOT, NICK,

ABOUT ALLEGATIONS BY THE

PRESIDENT AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND

HIS SON HUNTER.

>> YEAH, JUDY, I AGREE WITH YOU,

THIS WAS A SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE.

THEY DID GET TO CORE

DISAGREEMENTS ON HOW THEY WOULD

GOVERN ON THE FUTURE ON CHINA.

THEY DISAGREED ON ELECTION

SECURITY, NORTH KOREA, HOPEFULLY

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, AND YES,

YOU ARE RIGHT.

THEY DID FINALLY ENGAGE ALSO

WITH A DESCENT AMOUNT OF

SUBSTANCE ON ALLEGATIONS THAT

REPUBLICANS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP

HAVE BEEN WAGING AGAINST HUNTER

BIDEN.

SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF

THIS.

PRESIDENT TRUMP ACCUSED HUNTER

BIDEN BEING PART OF WHAT HE

CALLED A CORRUPT BIDEN FAMILY.

HE CITED CHINA, UKRAINE, RUSSIA

AND IRAQ.

AND THE CORE OF THE VICE

PRESIDENT'S DEFENSE IS THAT HIS

SON'S FOREIGN CONSULTING DID NOT

AFFECT HIS POLICY THROUGH HIS 30

PLUS YEARS IN WASHINGTON.

AND THAT HUNTER HIMSELF DID

NOTHING WRONG.

AND I THINK WE DO WANT TO DO A

LITTLE BIT OF A FACT CHECK

QUICKLY ON ALLEGATIONS IN CHINA.

THE ACCUSATION BY THE PRESIDENT 3

AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN THAT HUNTER

BIDEN SHOW GOT 1.5 BILLION

DOLLARS FROM CHINA.

QUICKLY JUDY, HUNTER WAS ON A

BOARD OF A CHINESE INVESTMENT

FIRM, THAT FIRM HAD STAKES IN

CHINA-- CHINESE COMPANIES THAT

MADE CAMERA, THAT HAD BEEN

ACTUALLY USED IN SHINJUNG TO

CRACK DOWN ON WEEINGERS, HAD

STAKES IN A COMPANY THAT MADE

CHINESE MILITARY JETS.

HUNTER'S LAWYER SAID THAT

MEMBERSHIP OF HIS, THAT HE HAD

ON THAT BOARD DID NOT PAY, AND

THAT 1.5 BILLION WAS ACTUALLY A

FUNDRAISING GOAL THAT THE

INVESTMENT FIRM HAD, NOT A

PAYMENT TO HUNTER.

AND THAT NONE OF IT WENT TO JOE

BIDEN.

>> Woodruff: AND AS WE HEARD

JOE BIDEN SAY REPEATEDLY DURING

THIS DEBATE, NONE OF THIS IS

TRUE.

IT DOESN'T ADD UP TO ANYTHING.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR, THE PRESIDENT,

WE SAW A PRESIDENT WHO WAS, YES,

HE WAS FORCEFUL BUT NOT

INTERRUPTING.

150 AND 160 TIMES AS IN THE

FIRST DEBATE.

WHAT DID YOU HEAR FROM THE

PRESIDENT TONIGHT THAT STOOD OUT

TO YOU?

>> WELL, JUDY, AS YOU JUST

NOTED, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS MUCH

MORE CONTROLLED, MUCH MORE IN A

TRADITIONAL SENSE, HAVING A

DEBATE WITH JOE BIDEN ON

SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES.

ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT CAME

UP, OF COURSE, IS THE PANDEMIC

AND THE CORONAVIRUS.

THE PRESIDENT WAS ON THE

DEFENSE.

HE SAID AT ONE POINT THAT THE

NEUTRAL ITERATE WAS DROPPING AND

SPIKES IN CASES WERE GONE IN

STATES LIKE FLORIDA AND TEXAS

AND ARIZONA, THAT IS NOT

COMPLETELY TRUE, IT HAS ACTUALLY

BEEN SPIKING AFTER THE SUMMER.

I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT

THE PRESIDENT WAS TALKING ABOUT

RACE AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED

PHYSICALLY ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD

SAY TO FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WOULD

TALK ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN AND

WARN THEM ABOUT THE POLICE, HE

SAID I'M THE LEAST RACIST PERSON

IN THE ROOM.

AND THEN HE WENT ON TO TALK

ABOUT ALL THE THINGS HE HAS BEEN

DOING WITH OTHER THINGS FOR

AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES.

>> SO YES, THEY VERY MUCH

COVERED THAT SUBJECT.

AND LISA DESJARDINS, TO YOU, JOE

BIDEN WAS ON THE ATTACK AT A

NUMBER OF POWNTS IN THE DEBATE

BUT ALSO ON THE DEFENSIVE WHEN

HE WAS PRESSED WITH A QUESTION

ABOUT HIS RECORD, WHEN IT COMES

TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

AND ON A NUMBER OF OTHERS, WHEN

PRESIDENT TRUMP CAME AFTER HIM,

ON HIS RECORD, ON CHINA.

AND ON CHINA TRADE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, TO ME BOTH OF

THESE MEN CAME ACROSS AS PEOPLE

WHO HAD PREPARED.

AND I THINK THAT IN JOE BIDEN'S

CASE, IT SEEMED LIKE MANY OF THE

BABE APPROACHES HE HAD PRACTICED

FOR MONTHS NOW DIDN'T SEEM LIKE

IT WAS SOMETHING SCRIPTED IT

SEEMED TO COME NATURALLY FROM

HIM.

AND I ESPECIALLY NOTICED WITH

THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT HE WAS

MORE DIRECT.

HE USED MORE SIMPLE LANGUAGE,

FEWER NUMBERS.

HE IS A POLICY GUY BUT HERE IN

TAKING THE EXAMPLE THAT YAMICHE

BROUGHT UP ON RACE, WHAT A

CONTRAST BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN.

AS THE PRESIDENTS WITH PIVOTINGK

DIDN'T ADDRESS THE FAMILIES OF

BLACK AMERICANS AS KRISTEN

WELKER ASKED HIM TO.

INSTEAD VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

SAID THERE IS INSTITUTIONAL

RACISM IN AMERICA.

AND THAT WAS HIS APPROACH TO

MANY ISSUES.

CLIMATE CHANGE, THAT IS AN

EXISTENTIAL THREAT, BIDEN SAID.

AND EVEN WHEN HE WAS UNDER

ATTACK WE ALSO HEARD A MORE

DIRECT BIDEN ON THAT SAYING TO

THE PRESIDENT, VOTERS ARE VOTING

FOR ME.

THEY ARE NOT VOTING FOR BERNIE

SANDERS.

THIS NONSENSE IS ABOUT ME TAKING

MEDICARE IS NONSENSE.

THAT WAS A MORE DIRECT BIDEN.

IDEAS HE HAD BEFORE BUT I THINK

THE MOST DIRECT AND SIMPLE THAT

I HAVE HEARD HIM

EXPRESS-- EXPRESS THOSE IDEAS.

>> Woodruff: HE MADE USE OF

THE TECHNIQUE IN THE FIRST

DEBATE WHERE HE WOULD LOOK AT

THE CAMERA, TALK TO THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE.

AND AT SEVERAL POINTS TONIGHT,

REFERRING TO CHARACTER BEING ON

THE BALLOT.

HE SAID THAT EARLY IN THIS

DEBATE AND HE USED THE FINAL

QUESTION FROM KRISTEN WELKER

WHEN SHE ASKED BOTH OF THEM WHAT

THEY WOULD SAY IF THEY WERE

ELECTED, TO AMERICANS WHO DIDN'T

VOTE FOR THEM.

JOE BIDEN REPEATING WHAT HE HAD

SAID BEFORE ABOUT CHARACTER

BEING ON THE BALLOT.

I WANT TO BRING IN OUR ANALYST

NOW WHO ARE ALSO JOINING US AIM

AMY WALTER OF THE COOK POLITICAL

REPORT, ALSO HOST OF PUBLIC

RADIO'S POLITICS WITH AMY

WALTER.

GARY ABERNATHY IS CONTRIBUTING

COLUMNIST FOR "THE WASHINGTON

POST."

HE JOINS FROM CINCINNATI AND

CYNTHIA TUCKER A SYNDICATED

COLUMNIST AND JOURNALIST IN

RESIDENCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF

SOUTH ALABAMA.

AMY, YOUR MAIN TAKE AWAY.

>> WHAT A DIFFERENCE A SICKED

DEBATE MAKES, RIGHT?

THIS WAS SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT

WE HAD SEEN OF ABOUT.

BUT ALSO MAYBE WHAT WE WERE

EXPECTING, YOU KNOW.

THE SORT OF PREGAMING FROM THE

TRUMP SIDE WAS THAT THE

PRESIDENT WAS GOING TO COME IN

SWINGING.

NOW HE DEFINITELY TRIED TO PLAY

ON THE OFFENSE BUT WITHOUT THE

INTERRUPTING, WITHOUT TALKING

OVER THE MODERATOR.

HE WAS ALSO A MUCH MORE

DISCIPLINED CANDIDATE THAN WE

HAVE SEEN IN RECENT TIMES.

AND HE STAYED VERY FOCUSED ON

WHAT HE WANTED TO GET ACROSS.

AND NAMELY IT WAS IN MESSAGE.

JOE BIDEN, YOU HAVE BEEN THERE,

IN WASHINGTON FOR ALMOST 50

YEARS.

WERE YOU IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR

EIGHT YEARS.

WHY DIDN'T YOU DO ALL THE THINGS

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

SO I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS MUCH

MORE EFFECTIVE IN DELIVERING A

MESSAGE AGAINST JOE BIDEN THAN

WE HAVE EVEN BEFORE.

IMIEDEN HIMSELF REALLY ONLY HAD

TO COME INTO THIS AND NOT LOSE,

BUT HE WAS DOING MORE THAN JUST

PLAYING PREVENT DEFENSE.

HE WAS ACTUALLY GOING ON THE

OFFENSE TOO, ESPECIALLY VERY

EARLY ON, REALLY PUTTING THE

PRESIDENT ON POINT, ON ISSUES OR

TAKING INTO TASK, ESPECIALLY ON

COVID AND HIS RESPONSE AND

MANAGEMENT.

COVID CRISIS WHICH, OF COURSE,

BIDEN PAINTED AS BEING REALLY

POOR.

FINALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY,

JUDY, THIS HAS BEEN AN

INCREDIBLE YEAR WITH SO MUCH TUM

ULT, SO MUCH CHAOS, SO MANY

THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

AND YET OPINIONS ABOUT THIS

PRESIDENT HAVE REALLY NOT

CHANGED ALL THAT MUCH.

THE FIRST DEBATE CERTAINLY HAD

AN IMPACT ON THE OVERALL GAP

BETWEEN BIDEN AND TRUMP.

BIDEN OPENED HIS LEAD AFTER THAT

FIRST DEBATE.

THE QUESTION NOW IS IS A NORMAL

DID HE BAIT GOOD ENOUGH, TEN

DAYS OUT FOR TRUMP TO CLOSE WHAT