1 00:00:00,666 --> 00:00:01,500 >> Sreenivasan: JOINING ME NOW 2 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:02,900 IS THE PRESIDENT AND C.E.O. OF 3 00:00:02,900 --> 00:00:04,266 THE NATIONAL URBAN LEAGUE AND 4 00:00:04,266 --> 00:00:05,666 FORMER MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS MARC 5 00:00:05,666 --> 00:00:06,600 MORIAL. 6 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:07,633 MARC, WE'RE JUST A COUPLE OF 7 00:00:07,633 --> 00:00:09,766 WEEKS AFTER GEORGE FLOYD, AFTER 8 00:00:09,766 --> 00:00:15,166 ATLANTA SAW THE PROTESTS, THE 9 00:00:15,166 --> 00:00:16,233 RESPONSE. 10 00:00:16,233 --> 00:00:18,366 AND HERE WE ARE, ANOTHER USE OF 11 00:00:18,366 --> 00:00:19,566 DEADLY FORCE VIDEO THAT SHOWS 12 00:00:19,566 --> 00:00:20,733 UP. 13 00:00:20,733 --> 00:00:21,966 WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND? 14 00:00:21,966 --> 00:00:23,566 >> YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PAIN, A 15 00:00:23,566 --> 00:00:26,233 LOT OF HURT, A LOT OF "HOW CAN 16 00:00:26,233 --> 00:00:30,633 THIS HAPPEN AGAIN?" IS MY 17 00:00:30,633 --> 00:00:32,500 IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, BUT SECOND 18 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:35,633 TO THAT, IT UNDERSCORES WHY WE 19 00:00:35,633 --> 00:00:37,933 NEED A RE-IMAGINATION, A 20 00:00:37,933 --> 00:00:39,333 RESTRUCTURING AND A NEW 21 00:00:39,333 --> 00:00:40,766 ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM FOR 22 00:00:40,766 --> 00:00:41,933 AMERICAN POLICING. 23 00:00:41,933 --> 00:00:44,133 AMERICAN POLICING IS, FOR THE 24 00:00:44,133 --> 00:00:45,833 MOST PART, BROKEN. 25 00:00:45,833 --> 00:00:47,400 PEOPLE CAN PICK THE WORD THEY 26 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,066 WANT, BUT, UH, WE NEED CHANGES 27 00:00:50,066 --> 00:00:52,366 AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AND WE 28 00:00:52,366 --> 00:00:54,700 NEED NEW INITIATIVES AND NEW 29 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:56,500 WAYS OF DOING BUSINESS AT THE 30 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:57,433 LOCAL LEVEL. 31 00:00:57,433 --> 00:00:59,533 THIS IS NOT WHERE ONE SWEEPING 32 00:00:59,533 --> 00:01:01,933 FEDERAL BILL WILL FIX THIS 33 00:01:01,933 --> 00:01:04,833 PROBLEM, BUT A SWEEPING FEDERAL 34 00:01:04,833 --> 00:01:07,866 BILL IS ESSENTIAL TO ADDRESS 35 00:01:07,866 --> 00:01:09,000 MANY OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY 36 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,166 CHALLENGES. 37 00:01:10,166 --> 00:01:11,133 AND THAT'S WHY THE "JUSTICE IN 38 00:01:11,133 --> 00:01:14,633 POLICING ACT" IS SOMETHING WE 39 00:01:14,633 --> 00:01:16,266 STRONGLY SUPPORT. 40 00:01:16,266 --> 00:01:17,500 INTRODUCED THIS PAST WEEK IN THE 41 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:18,533 CONGRESS. 42 00:01:18,533 --> 00:01:21,000 AND I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE AN 43 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,200 APPETITE FOR A WATERED-DOWN 44 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,033 VERSION. 45 00:01:24,033 --> 00:01:25,900 I DON'T HAVE AN APPETITE FOR A 46 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:26,900 SYMBOLIC BILL. 47 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:29,200 I THINK WE'VE GOT TO HEAR THE 48 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,700 PAIN, THE CRIES AND THE 49 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:32,966 DETERMINATION OF THE AMERICAN 50 00:01:32,966 --> 00:01:35,733 PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE, 51 00:01:35,733 --> 00:01:37,100 ALL RACES AND BACKGROUNDS, WHO 52 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:38,333 ARE ON THE STREETS SAYING BLACK 53 00:01:38,333 --> 00:01:39,466 LIVES MATTER. 54 00:01:39,466 --> 00:01:40,400 >> Sreenivasan: THIS IS 55 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,433 CERTAINLY NOT IN THE SAME VEIN 56 00:01:42,433 --> 00:01:44,800 AS GEORGE FLOYD. 57 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,866 THERE ARE DIFFERENT 58 00:01:45,866 --> 00:01:47,600 CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH ARE GONNA 59 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:48,666 LEAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SAY, 60 00:01:48,666 --> 00:01:50,266 "HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? 61 00:01:50,266 --> 00:01:52,233 I SAW THE WENDY'S PARKING LOT 62 00:01:52,233 --> 00:01:54,933 SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE, AND THIS 63 00:01:54,933 --> 00:01:56,766 GENTLEMAN TURNED AROUND AND HE 64 00:01:56,766 --> 00:01:58,466 POINTED A TASER. 65 00:01:58,466 --> 00:01:59,333 THIS IS DIFFERENT. 66 00:01:59,333 --> 00:02:00,700 THE POLICE OFFICER FELT THAT 67 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:03,800 THEIR LIFE WAS THREATENED, THAT 68 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,300 THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO 69 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:06,966 PROTECT THEMSELVES." 70 00:02:06,966 --> 00:02:08,433 >> YEAH, POLICE OFFICERS ARE 71 00:02:08,433 --> 00:02:09,833 TRAINED AND TAUGHT THAT THE 72 00:02:09,833 --> 00:02:13,900 TASER IS A NON-LETHAL WEAPON. 73 00:02:13,900 --> 00:02:16,200 AND THE OFFICERS HAD SEARCHED, 74 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,766 UH, THE GENTLEMAN AT-- WHEN HE 75 00:02:18,766 --> 00:02:20,266 WHEN HE GOT OUT OF THE CAR TO 76 00:02:20,266 --> 00:02:21,666 DETERMINE, BECAUSE THEY ASKED 77 00:02:21,666 --> 00:02:23,033 HIM, "ARE YOU ARMED?" 78 00:02:23,033 --> 00:02:24,566 AND THEY DETERMINED THAT HE WAS 79 00:02:24,566 --> 00:02:25,700 NOT ARMED. 80 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:27,833 SO, FOR HIM TO TURN AROUND AND 81 00:02:27,833 --> 00:02:30,700 SHOOT A TASER AT THE OFFICER DID 82 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:32,133 NOT CONSTITUTE A THREAT TO THE 83 00:02:32,133 --> 00:02:34,900 OFFICER'S LIFE OR A THREAT TO 84 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:36,866 ANOTHER OFFICER'S LIFE. 85 00:02:36,866 --> 00:02:39,333 PERHAPS THE OFFICER WAS AMPED UP 86 00:02:39,333 --> 00:02:41,533 BECAUSE THIS MAN HAD TAKEN THE 87 00:02:41,533 --> 00:02:44,633 TASER AWAY FROM HIM AND BEGAN TO 88 00:02:44,633 --> 00:02:46,033 FLEE. 89 00:02:46,033 --> 00:02:47,666 SO, YEAH, OFFICERS MAKE SPLIT 90 00:02:47,666 --> 00:02:49,400 SECOND DECISIONS, BUT AT NO 91 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,666 INSTANCE WAS ANYONE'S LIFE 92 00:02:51,666 --> 00:02:53,966 THREATENED AND FORCE IS ONLY, 93 00:02:53,966 --> 00:02:56,633 ONLY, I THINK NECESSARY IF THE 94 00:02:56,633 --> 00:02:58,066 OFFICER'S LIFE IS TRULY 95 00:02:58,066 --> 00:03:00,100 THREATENED OR, NUMBER TWO, IF 96 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:01,933 THE LIFE OF THE CITIZEN, OF 97 00:03:01,933 --> 00:03:04,333 SOMEONE ELSE, IS THREATENED. 98 00:03:04,333 --> 00:03:05,433 >> Sreenivasan: WHAT COULD THEY 99 00:03:05,433 --> 00:03:06,533 HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY? 100 00:03:06,533 --> 00:03:07,866 >> WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 101 00:03:07,866 --> 00:03:09,366 DEESCALATION. 102 00:03:09,366 --> 00:03:11,300 THEN WE HAVE TO RETHINK, AND 103 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:13,633 THIS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT, HOW WE 104 00:03:13,633 --> 00:03:16,433 HANDLE VARIOUS TYPES OF 105 00:03:16,433 --> 00:03:17,933 INCIDENTS, WHETHER IT'S WITH 106 00:03:17,933 --> 00:03:19,800 HOMELESSNESS, WHETHER IT'S 107 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,066 PEOPLE ON THE STREET WHO MAY 108 00:03:21,066 --> 00:03:23,033 HAVE MENTAL ISSUES, IF THOSE ARE 109 00:03:23,033 --> 00:03:24,133 APPROPRIATE THINGS FOR THE 110 00:03:24,133 --> 00:03:26,066 POLICE TO RESPOND TO. 111 00:03:26,066 --> 00:03:28,133 POLICE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO DO 112 00:03:28,133 --> 00:03:29,566 THINGS FAR BEYOND THE 113 00:03:29,566 --> 00:03:30,800 TRADITIONAL WORLD OF PUBLIC 114 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,366 SAFETY IN POLICING AND THE 115 00:03:32,366 --> 00:03:34,866 RE-IMAGINATION MOVEMENT OR THE 116 00:03:34,866 --> 00:03:36,333 RE-IMAGINATION AND RESTRUCTURING 117 00:03:36,333 --> 00:03:38,200 MOVEMENT I THINK, RIGHTFULLY, 118 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,233 HAS TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THESE 119 00:03:40,233 --> 00:03:42,966 CLASSES OF OFFENSES DIFFERENTLY. 120 00:03:42,966 --> 00:03:45,000 SOME OF THEM ARE NOT TRULY 121 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,133 CRIMINAL OFFENSES. 122 00:03:46,133 --> 00:03:47,166 AND SO, WE'VE GOT TO RETHINK 123 00:03:47,166 --> 00:03:48,066 THIS. 124 00:03:48,066 --> 00:03:49,300 AND THEY COULD HAVE DONE THAT 125 00:03:49,300 --> 00:03:51,100 AND HE COULD HAVE NOT USED HIS 126 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:51,600 GUN. 127 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,700 LOOK, HOW FAR WAS THAT GENTLEMAN 128 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:55,066 GOING TO RUN? 129 00:03:55,066 --> 00:03:56,133 >> Sreenivasan: WE'VE ALSO SEEN 130 00:03:56,133 --> 00:03:59,000 IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IS A 131 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,166 CLOSING OF THE RANKS BY 132 00:04:01,166 --> 00:04:02,800 DIFFERENT POLICE AGENCIES. 133 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,333 IN BUFFALO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAD 134 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:07,100 ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE EMERGENCY 135 00:04:07,100 --> 00:04:09,633 RESPONSE TEAM RESIGN FROM THAT 136 00:04:09,633 --> 00:04:11,033 UNIT, BUT NOT FROM THE POLICE 137 00:04:11,033 --> 00:04:13,300 DEPARTMENT, IN SOLIDARITY WITH 138 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:15,733 THE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE 139 00:04:15,733 --> 00:04:17,200 REPRIMANDED FOR PUSHING DOWN AN 140 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,466 OLD MAN. 141 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:20,466 IN FLORIDA YOU HAD ANOTHER CASE 142 00:04:20,466 --> 00:04:23,233 RECENTLY OF MEMBERS RESIGNING 143 00:04:23,233 --> 00:04:24,533 FROM THE SWAT TEAM BECAUSE THEY 144 00:04:24,533 --> 00:04:26,133 FEEL THEIR ACTIONS ARE NOW BEING 145 00:04:26,133 --> 00:04:27,900 POLITICIZED AND THEY DON'T FEEL 146 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:30,566 LIKE THEY CAN DO THEIR JOBS AS 147 00:04:30,566 --> 00:04:31,733 WITH THE FORCE THAT MIGHT BE 148 00:04:31,733 --> 00:04:34,966 NECESSARY IF, MYSELF INCLUDED, 149 00:04:34,966 --> 00:04:36,100 IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE 150 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:37,733 CONVERSATIONS LOOKING OVER THEIR 151 00:04:37,733 --> 00:04:41,100 SHOULDER ON SUNDAY MORNING. 152 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:43,833 >> IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PUBLIC 153 00:04:43,833 --> 00:04:45,400 AND THE PEOPLE TO LOOK OVER THE 154 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,733 SHOULDERS OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS 155 00:04:46,733 --> 00:04:48,333 AND PUBLIC SERVANTS. 156 00:04:48,333 --> 00:04:49,333 IT IS. 157 00:04:49,333 --> 00:04:50,333 NO ONE SHOULD BE IMMUNE FROM 158 00:04:50,333 --> 00:04:51,266 THAT. 159 00:04:51,266 --> 00:04:52,166 NOT THE POLICE OFFICER, NOT THE 160 00:04:52,166 --> 00:04:53,066 FIREFIGHTER, NOT THE TAX 161 00:04:53,066 --> 00:04:54,933 COLLECTOR, NOT THE DIRECTOR OF 162 00:04:54,933 --> 00:04:56,200 BUILDING PERMITS. 163 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,400 I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD OFFER 164 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:58,700 THE POLICE OFFICER SOME SORT OF 165 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:01,133 EXALTED POSITION IN AMERICAN 166 00:05:01,133 --> 00:05:03,233 LIFE WHERE THEY HAVE SUPER DUPER 167 00:05:03,233 --> 00:05:05,466 PROTECTIONS, SUPER INSULATIONS, 168 00:05:05,466 --> 00:05:06,666 AND THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE 169 00:05:06,666 --> 00:05:07,666 CULTURE. 170 00:05:07,666 --> 00:05:09,433 THOSE OFFICERS, IF THEY DO NOT 171 00:05:09,433 --> 00:05:11,700 HAVE CONFIDENCE, SHOULD NOT HAVE 172 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:13,900 RESIGNED FROM THE SWAT TEAM OR 173 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:14,866 RESIGNED FROM THE UNIT. 174 00:05:14,866 --> 00:05:15,700 THEY SHOULD RESIGN FROM THE 175 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:16,933 FORCE. 176 00:05:16,933 --> 00:05:18,733 IF OFFICERS CAN'T TAKE THIS 177 00:05:18,733 --> 00:05:21,033 TRIP, IF THEY CAN'T MOVE IN THE 178 00:05:21,033 --> 00:05:22,566 DIRECTION THAT I BELIEVE 179 00:05:22,566 --> 00:05:24,533 AMERICAN POLICING IS GONNA MOVE, 180 00:05:24,533 --> 00:05:26,633 THEN I THINK THEY SHOULD RESIGN 181 00:05:26,633 --> 00:05:27,966 AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO GO 182 00:05:27,966 --> 00:05:28,933 DO. 183 00:05:28,933 --> 00:05:29,966 WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE 184 00:05:29,966 --> 00:05:31,600 HIRING PROCESS. 185 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:32,666 WE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE 186 00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:33,900 TRAINING PROCESS. 187 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:35,000 AND WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE 188 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,966 SCOPE IN THE CHARGE OF, UH, 189 00:05:37,966 --> 00:05:39,633 POLICING AND PUBLIC SAFETY. 190 00:05:39,633 --> 00:05:41,900 AND I THINK TOO WHAT'S IMPLICIT 191 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:44,033 IN THIS AND, AND I STRONGLY 192 00:05:44,033 --> 00:05:46,433 SUPPORT, THE INVESTMENTS WE NEED 193 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:48,533 TO MAKE IN YOUTH AND SOCIAL 194 00:05:48,533 --> 00:05:49,866 SERVICES IN SCHOOLS. 195 00:05:49,866 --> 00:05:52,033 A RESPONSE TO EVERY SINGLE 196 00:05:52,033 --> 00:05:54,966 PROBLEM CAN'T BE "LET'S PUT MORE 197 00:05:54,966 --> 00:05:57,066 POLICE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD." 198 00:05:57,066 --> 00:05:58,266 I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SMART 199 00:05:58,266 --> 00:05:59,666 POLICING, PROGRESSIVE POLICING, 200 00:05:59,666 --> 00:06:01,933 COMMUNITY POLICING, A STRATEGY 201 00:06:01,933 --> 00:06:03,100 AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT IT 202 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:04,733 INCLUDES SO MANY OTHER THINGS. 203 00:06:04,733 --> 00:06:07,433 AND THAT'S THE DEBATE, I THINK, 204 00:06:07,433 --> 00:06:09,700 AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED 205 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:11,033 TO HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES 206 00:06:11,033 --> 00:06:11,833 TODAY. 207 00:06:11,833 --> 00:06:12,833 >> Sreenivasan: ONE OF THE 208 00:06:12,833 --> 00:06:15,500 CENTRAL TENETS TO ME IS, 209 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:17,033 REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY YOU 210 00:06:17,033 --> 00:06:19,566 POUR IN TO POLICE RETRAINING, 211 00:06:19,566 --> 00:06:21,000 IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, 212 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,300 DEESCALATION TRAINING AND SO 213 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:25,066 FORTH, HOW DO YOU SWITCH A 214 00:06:25,066 --> 00:06:28,766 CULTURE THAT VALUES, AND 215 00:06:28,766 --> 00:06:31,000 SOMETIMES RIGHTFULLY, LOYALTY? 216 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,200 THAT THEY SAY, "HEY, I NEED TO 217 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,166 KNOW THAT YOU HAVE MY BACK, THAT 218 00:06:35,166 --> 00:06:36,233 IF WE GO INTO A DANGEROUS 219 00:06:36,233 --> 00:06:38,100 SITUATION, I CAN COUNT ON YOU." 220 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:40,466 AND THAT ENDS UP CREATING A 221 00:06:40,466 --> 00:06:45,300 SCENARIO WHERE GOOD POLICE ARE 222 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:47,500 STANDING BY WHEN SOMETHING BAD 223 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:51,400 HAPPENS BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE 224 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,666 "IF I TURN ON MY BROTHER OR 225 00:06:52,666 --> 00:06:54,700 SISTER NOW, THEY MIGHT NOT BE 226 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:56,066 THERE FOR ME WHEN I REALLY NEED 227 00:06:56,066 --> 00:06:56,900 THEM." 228 00:06:56,900 --> 00:06:58,766 >> EVEN IN THAT INSTANCE, 229 00:06:58,766 --> 00:06:59,900 THERE'S A PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE 230 00:06:59,900 --> 00:07:02,266 TO DRAW A LINE. 231 00:07:02,266 --> 00:07:05,533 AND A LINE INVOLVES NOT LYING, 232 00:07:05,533 --> 00:07:07,966 NOT COVERING UP, NOT LOOKING THE 233 00:07:07,966 --> 00:07:10,733 OTHER WAY WHEN YOU KNOW A 234 00:07:10,733 --> 00:07:12,600 PARTNER OF YOURS, OR A COWORKER, 235 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:13,566 HAS DONE SOMETHING THAT'S 236 00:07:13,566 --> 00:07:14,733 OBVIOUSLY WRONG. 237 00:07:14,733 --> 00:07:17,266 CORRUPTION MEANS THAT WRONGDOING 238 00:07:17,266 --> 00:07:19,733 IS UNCHECKED, THAT WRONGDOING 239 00:07:19,733 --> 00:07:21,766 BECOMES THE CULTURE. 240 00:07:21,766 --> 00:07:23,300 SO, PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND 241 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:25,500 THAT THERE ARE LINES TO BE DRAWN 242 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:27,266 IN EVERY SINGLE INSTITUTION. 243 00:07:27,266 --> 00:07:29,000 WE HAVE TO RETHINK, AND WE HAVE 244 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,266 TO REFORM, AND WE HAVE TO 245 00:07:30,266 --> 00:07:31,200 RESTRUCTURE. 246 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,966 AND, LOOK, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE 247 00:07:32,966 --> 00:07:34,366 CAN GET SOMETHING THAT PROTECTS 248 00:07:34,366 --> 00:07:36,966 THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, RESPECTS 249 00:07:36,966 --> 00:07:38,733 CITIZENS AND CREATES NEW 250 00:07:38,733 --> 00:07:41,333 CONFIDENCE, BUT THESE REFORMS 251 00:07:41,333 --> 00:07:42,366 ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE OPERATE 252 00:07:42,366 --> 00:07:43,633 AROUND THE EDGES IN MOST 253 00:07:43,633 --> 00:07:45,100 DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE IT'S 254 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:47,233 CENTRAL TO WHAT WE NEED IN 255 00:07:47,233 --> 00:07:49,033 AMERICAN COMMUNITIES TODAY. 256 00:07:49,033 --> 00:07:50,766 AND, LOOK, I THINK THAT POLICE 257 00:07:50,766 --> 00:07:52,433 HAVE BEEN ASKED TO DO TOO MANY 258 00:07:52,433 --> 00:07:53,366 THINGS. 259 00:07:53,366 --> 00:07:54,400 WELL, WE NEED TO TALK TO 260 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,166 COMMUNITIES AND SAY "WHAT TYPE 261 00:07:56,166 --> 00:07:58,333 OF SITUATIONS SHOULD BE HANDLED 262 00:07:58,333 --> 00:08:00,366 BY MAYBE ANOTHER UNIT OR ANOTHER 263 00:08:00,366 --> 00:08:03,066 DEPARTMENT OR ANOTHER INSTRUMENT 264 00:08:03,066 --> 00:08:04,133 OR INSTRUMENTALITY OF 265 00:08:04,133 --> 00:08:05,266 GOVERNMENT?" 266 00:08:05,266 --> 00:08:06,266 AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE KIND 267 00:08:06,266 --> 00:08:07,333 OF CONVERSATIONS THAT 268 00:08:07,333 --> 00:08:08,700 COMMUNITIES HAVE TO HAVE IN A 269 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:09,700 RE-IMAGINATION. 270 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:11,066 LOOK, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE 271 00:08:11,066 --> 00:08:13,766 SHOULD UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER 272 00:08:13,766 --> 00:08:15,900 OF THIS MOVEMENT THAT WE SEE 273 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:18,333 MANIFESTED IN THE STREETS. 274 00:08:18,333 --> 00:08:19,400 IT'S TOUCHED THE BOARDROOMS OF 275 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,333 AMERICA. 276 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:21,366 IT'S TOUCHED THE LEGISLATIVE 277 00:08:21,366 --> 00:08:22,633 BODIES OF AMERICA. 278 00:08:22,633 --> 00:08:23,933 AND YET, IT'S PROBABLY A SEGMENT 279 00:08:23,933 --> 00:08:25,366 OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION WHICH 280 00:08:25,366 --> 00:08:26,466 IS KICKING AND SCREAMING AND 281 00:08:26,466 --> 00:08:27,533 DOESN'T SUPPORT IT. 282 00:08:27,533 --> 00:08:29,033 BUT MY SENSE IS THAT THIS IS A 283 00:08:29,033 --> 00:08:31,933 MOVEMENT UNLIKE ANY I'VE SEEN IN 284 00:08:31,933 --> 00:08:35,333 MY, IN MY ADULT LIFE TO UNDO 285 00:08:35,333 --> 00:08:37,200 RACISM, TO RESTRUCTURE THE 286 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,600 SOCIETY. 287 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,000 IT'S NOT A BLACK MOVEMENT, IT'S 288 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,400 NOT A WHITE MOVEMENT, IT'S NOT A 289 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,733 LATINO MOVEMENT, IT'S NOT AN 290 00:08:42,733 --> 00:08:44,966 ASIAN MOVEMENT, IT'S NOT A-- 291 00:08:44,966 --> 00:08:46,333 IT'S NOT A MOVEMENT OF YOUNG 292 00:08:46,333 --> 00:08:47,033 VERSUS OLD. 293 00:08:47,033 --> 00:08:48,000 IT'S BEING PROPELLED BY THE 294 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,500 YOUNG, BUT IT IS A MOVEMENT 295 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:51,566 AGAINST RACISM AND A MOVEMENT 296 00:08:51,566 --> 00:08:53,933 AGAINST DIVISION AND INTOLERANCE 297 00:08:53,933 --> 00:08:55,300 IN THIS COUNTRY, AND SO WE HAVE 298 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:57,133 A CHANCE. 299 00:08:57,133 --> 00:08:58,633 IN THE SHORT RUN I WANT TO SEE 300 00:08:58,633 --> 00:09:01,100 CONGRESS PASS THE "JUSTICE IN 301 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:02,000 POLICING ACT." 302 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,133 I TESTIFIED BEFORE THE HOUSE 303 00:09:03,133 --> 00:09:04,700 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. 304 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:07,133 IT'S THE KIND OF REFORM MEASURE 305 00:09:07,133 --> 00:09:08,266 CONGRESS SHOULD PASS. 306 00:09:08,266 --> 00:09:09,900 IT'S NOT GONNA FIX OR DO ALL THE 307 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:11,300 THINGS WE DISCUSSED, BUT 308 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:14,733 CONGRESS HAS TO PUT ITS STAMP, 309 00:09:14,733 --> 00:09:16,400 IT'S STAMP ON THIS ISSUE BY 310 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,400 SAYING WE REALIZE WE NEED TO 311 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,700 TAKE A GIANT LEAP FORWARD WHEN 312 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,566 IT COMES TO AMERICAN POLICING IN 313 00:09:22,566 --> 00:09:23,500 TERMS OF CREATING 314 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:24,533 ACCOUNTABILITIES 315 00:09:24,533 --> 00:09:26,533 RESPONSIBILITIES AND SYSTEMS 316 00:09:26,533 --> 00:09:27,800 THAT WILL ASSIST LOCAL 317 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,033 COMMUNITIES IN DOING WHAT THEY 318 00:09:29,033 --> 00:09:30,233 NEED TO DO. 319 00:09:30,233 --> 00:09:31,033 >> Sreenivasan: MARC MORIAL, THE 320 00:09:31,033 --> 00:09:31,833 URBAN LEAGUE. 321 00:09:31,833 --> 00:09:33,033 THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. 322 00:09:33,033 --> 00:09:33,600 >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.