WEBVTT 00:01.966 --> 00:04.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: From Trump supporter to Trump challenger, former Illinois Congressman Joe 00:04.500 --> 00:09.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Walsh recently announced that he will take on the incumbent president in the 2020 Republican 00:10.566 --> 00:12.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% presidential primary. 00:12.566 --> 00:16.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% He joins former Massachusetts Governor William Weld in challenging President Trump. 00:18.933 --> 00:22.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Walsh gained national attention in 2010, when he was elected to the House of Representatives 00:22.133 --> 00:24.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as a member of the Tea Party. 00:24.100 --> 00:28.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% He served one term, lost his reelection bid and, until yesterday, hosted a conservative 00:29.566 --> 00:30.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% radio talk show. 00:30.766 --> 00:32.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And Joe Walsh joins us now. 00:32.933 --> 00:34.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you for being on the "NewsHour." 00:34.866 --> 00:36.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH (R), Presidential Candidate: Good to be view with you, Judy. 00:36.433 --> 00:38.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: So, why are you running for president? 00:38.600 --> 00:41.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH: It's a difficult thing to say, but I think we have a president, I believe 00:41.800 --> 00:46.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we have a president who's just unfit to be president. 00:46.233 --> 00:50.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I have been hoping all year that a Republican would step up. 00:50.066 --> 00:52.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think it's important for the Republican Party. 00:52.633 --> 00:55.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% More importantly, I think it's important for the country. 00:55.433 --> 00:59.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% When I say something like that, Judy, it's a pretty serious charge. 00:59.066 --> 01:04.033 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% I think we have somebody in the White House who's unfit, somebody who lies virtually every 01:05.933 --> 01:09.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% time he opens his mouth, somebody who's so erratic right now, he's almost tweeting the 01:10.033 --> 01:11.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% country into a recession. 01:11.833 --> 01:13.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think it's a fairly urgent situation. 01:13.966 --> 01:18.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: You were, though, in 2016, an enthusiastic supporter of his. 01:20.166 --> 01:22.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What drew you to him in the first place? 01:22.300 --> 01:27.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH: The people who voted for Donald Trump were the same people who voted for me, 01:29.166 --> 01:31.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and they're the same people, Judy, who listened to me on the radio. 01:31.200 --> 01:35.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% They were upset and angry about what's going on down at the border about people in this 01:35.466 --> 01:37.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% country illegally. 01:37.133 --> 01:40.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% And the Republican Party generally was out of touch with that issue. 01:40.900 --> 01:42.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Now, Trump touched that issue. 01:42.433 --> 01:44.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% He tapped that issue. 01:44.000 --> 01:46.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That was a big issue to me and a lot of my listeners. 01:46.033 --> 01:48.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But what was it? 01:48.100 --> 01:49.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Was that the main reason? 01:49.466 --> 01:51.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It was immigration? 01:51.566 --> 01:55.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH: No, I think that was the biggest issue that got Donald Trump elected. 01:57.466 --> 01:59.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% It was one of the biggest issues that I was concerned about, and that most of my listeners 01:59.966 --> 02:01.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and voters were concerned about. 02:01.733 --> 02:04.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But there was this sense, Judy, that the system was broken. 02:04.733 --> 02:05.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% And I agree. 02:05.966 --> 02:08.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That's why I went to Congress in 2010. 02:08.000 --> 02:10.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Both political parties kind of were broken. 02:10.766 --> 02:13.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The whole political system had broke down. 02:13.666 --> 02:18.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And people sent Trump to Washington to shake it up and drain the swamp and all of that. 02:19.833 --> 02:22.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The problem is, all he's done is disrupt. 02:22.433 --> 02:24.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And he hasn't done anything to fix. 02:24.500 --> 02:27.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: But you stayed with him after he was elected president. 02:27.733 --> 02:31.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You supported him for a number of months. 02:31.533 --> 02:36.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% What was it that you didn't see in the beginning that was there to you later? 02:36.000 --> 02:40.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JOE WALSH: Judy, this may sound odd, and, if it is, I apologize. 02:40.700 --> 02:42.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% When I voted for Trump, I didn't love him. 02:42.733 --> 02:43.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I didn't like him. 02:43.733 --> 02:45.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% He wasn't Hillary. 02:45.000 --> 02:49.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I figured -- I thought he was sort of a goof. 02:49.066 --> 02:53.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I figured he'd hire a few good people, and maybe a few good things would happen. 02:53.833 --> 02:58.433 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% When -- then, when he first became president, I did the whole good Trump/bad Trump thing. 02:58.433 --> 03:00.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% When he did something that I thought was pretty good, I would praise him. 03:00.633 --> 03:02.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I would criticize him when he didn't. 03:02.733 --> 03:07.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% It became apparent to me, Judy, that first year, again, that almost everything he said, 03:09.066 --> 03:11.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% he would lie to the American people all the time. 03:11.600 --> 03:13.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That really bothered me, no matter who your politics are. 03:13.966 --> 03:17.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And then, finally, at Helsinki last year, in July of 2013... 03:17.733 --> 03:19.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: When he met with Vladimir Putin. 03:19.733 --> 03:23.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH: Judy, when he stood in front of the world, and said, I believe that guy Putin, 03:25.333 --> 03:28.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and not my own people, I got ahead of myself with a tweet. 03:28.000 --> 03:32.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% To me, that was an act of disloyalty. 03:32.000 --> 03:33.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And that's -- that was the final straw for me. 03:33.766 --> 03:35.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: So what would change? 03:35.800 --> 03:40.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% If Joe Walsh were elected president, what policy would be different under your presidency 03:41.366 --> 03:43.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% from the way it is under President Trump? 03:43.200 --> 03:45.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Because you just said you agree with him on a number of... 03:45.033 --> 03:46.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JOE WALSH: On a number of issues. 03:46.666 --> 03:48.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It's interesting. 03:48.766 --> 03:51.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So let's go back to the issue that got him elected, one of the issues I care most about, 03:51.633 --> 03:52.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% the border. 03:52.633 --> 03:53.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Right. 03:53.633 --> 03:55.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% JOE WALSH: He ran on that issue. 03:55.666 --> 03:58.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% As you know, because you report on it, the situation at our border now is a bigger mess 03:58.933 --> 04:00.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% than it was when he got elected. 04:00.433 --> 04:02.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Why is that? 04:02.466 --> 04:05.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Because all he talked about, Judy, was this wall, wall, wall, wall, and Mexico's going 04:05.733 --> 04:06.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% to pay for it. 04:06.833 --> 04:08.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He hasn't done anything at the border. 04:08.800 --> 04:13.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% We have a humane crisis right now at our border, people coming to claim asylum. 04:14.866 --> 04:16.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That has nothing to do with a wall. 04:16.333 --> 04:18.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But you have said you would close the border. 04:18.366 --> 04:22.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% You would be -- would you be even tougher on people coming into this country than the 04:22.100 --> 04:24.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% president has been? 04:24.166 --> 04:26.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH: Certainly, anybody trying to come into the country illegally, I would be tougher. 04:26.966 --> 04:30.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Would you separate children from their parents at the border, as this 04:30.533 --> 04:31.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% administration has done? 04:31.666 --> 04:32.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% JOE WALSH: No. 04:32.933 --> 04:34.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then so that's the second piece. 04:34.966 --> 04:38.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% People coming into the country illegally, there's got to be no exception. 04:38.100 --> 04:43.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But people coming here to claim asylum, which is a legal thing to do, totally different 04:44.133 --> 04:46.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% group of people. 04:46.200 --> 04:49.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And those people right now -- and that's our biggest crisis at the border right now -- those 04:49.800 --> 04:54.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% people have to be dealt with humanely, and as quickly as we can deal with their asylum 04:55.266 --> 04:57.366 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% claims. 04:57.366 --> 04:59.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But, as you know, the president wants to crack down on asylum claims. 04:59.333 --> 05:02.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% He wants many fewer -- he wants those people to go back to the countries they came from 05:02.266 --> 05:04.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% while their asylum claims are pending. 05:04.333 --> 05:09.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH: Again, anybody around the world has the right to come here and claim asylum, 05:09.500 --> 05:11.566 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% OK? 05:11.566 --> 05:13.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% It's our responsibility -- this is a fundamental difference, Judy, with me and the president. 05:13.866 --> 05:16.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's our responsibility to hear those claims. 05:16.333 --> 05:19.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Now, we do a lousy job now of doing that. 05:19.133 --> 05:22.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% We have got to devote the resources to do - - deal with those a lot quicker. 05:22.833 --> 05:25.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Climate change, where are you on climate change? 05:25.733 --> 05:29.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Do you believe that humans have a role in it and that humans should be taking urgent 05:29.566 --> 05:30.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% action now to do something? 05:30.566 --> 05:32.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% JOE WALSH: Yes to the former. 05:32.033 --> 05:34.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% On the urgent action, I don't know. 05:34.066 --> 05:38.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Certainly, on action, I -- the first big step, Judy, is my party, the Republican Party, has 05:40.133 --> 05:42.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to acknowledge it's an issue, it's a problem. 05:42.800 --> 05:44.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% This president won't. 05:44.233 --> 05:46.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And, in fact, I don't even think he understands the issue. 05:46.933 --> 05:51.766 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% So it would be an issue, I think, the Republican Party needs to get on board with and lead 05:51.766 --> 05:53.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% on. 05:53.866 --> 05:57.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But would you -- for example, would you take steps that would make business 05:57.733 --> 05:59.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% very upset because it might cost jobs? 05:59.600 --> 06:03.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JOE WALSH: I would be -- I would be very careful. 06:03.433 --> 06:05.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I'm not trying to be vague, Judy. 06:05.900 --> 06:09.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The first step is for a Republican president to acknowledge it's a problem, man is contributing 06:10.566 --> 06:12.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% to the problem. 06:12.633 --> 06:16.233 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% And then let's bring all the important people together, including business and businesses, 06:16.233 --> 06:18.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and figure out things that need to be done. 06:18.400 --> 06:23.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But before we do anything to impact the American economy, we have got -- we have got to make 06:24.566 --> 06:26.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% sure we have got the accurate data. 06:26.033 --> 06:28.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: What about gay rights, same-sex marriage? 06:28.000 --> 06:30.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I'm jumping around because these are important issues to many voters. 06:30.866 --> 06:33.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% JOE WALSH: No, that's OK. 06:33.366 --> 06:35.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Gay rights, same-sex marriage, this is an administration that has taken steps 06:35.333 --> 06:40.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% to, in many ways, crack down on and reduce benefits for people who are -- or just allow 06:43.566 --> 06:46.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% some discrimination against people who happen to be gay. 06:46.466 --> 06:47.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% JOE WALSH: Yes. 06:47.700 --> 06:49.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Where do you stand on that? 06:49.166 --> 06:50.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JOE WALSH: Same-sex marriage is the law of the land. 06:50.566 --> 06:51.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% That's the way it is. 06:51.566 --> 06:54.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So we all accept it. 06:54.066 --> 06:57.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% When it comes to gay rights -- and this administration has been very tough on transgenders and gays 06:58.933 --> 07:01.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% serving in the media -- excuse me -- in the military. 07:01.233 --> 07:03.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: In the military. 07:03.333 --> 07:07.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH: Absolutely, anybody who can qualify to serve in the military, gay, straight or 07:07.433 --> 07:09.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% transgender, should be able to serve. 07:09.833 --> 07:11.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Abortion, where do you stand? 07:11.600 --> 07:13.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% JOE WALSH: I'm pro-life. 07:13.666 --> 07:17.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And you have said in the past no exceptions, even when the life of the mother 07:17.533 --> 07:18.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% is at stake. 07:18.700 --> 07:21.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JOE WALSH: I'm pro-life without exception. 07:21.133 --> 07:25.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% That decision right there is between the mother and the doctor. 07:25.566 --> 07:30.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I do believe that the whole Roe v. Wade issue may have to be dealt with, but I'm pro-life 07:31.300 --> 07:33.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% without exception. 07:33.933 --> 07:37.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Joe Walsh, you have made, as we -- as it's been reported, a number of controversial, 07:39.200 --> 07:41.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% even incendiary statements over the years, a radio talk show host, somebody who's been 07:41.366 --> 07:42.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% outspoken. 07:42.366 --> 07:44.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% JOE WALSH: Yes. 07:44.466 --> 07:47.966 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: You have apologized for a number of them in the last recent days and weeks. 07:47.966 --> 07:51.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% But when did you start to think some of these statements were wrong? 07:51.300 --> 07:52.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I just want to ask you about... 07:52.300 --> 07:54.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% JOE WALSH: Sure. 07:54.100 --> 07:55.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: For example, you said President Obama is a Muslim. 07:55.600 --> 07:58.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You have said that he was born outside the United States. 07:58.033 --> 08:00.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JOE WALSH: No, I never -- I never didn't say that. 08:00.200 --> 08:05.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, you were -- you sounded sympathetic to the birther false statements 08:06.533 --> 08:07.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that were out there. 08:07.533 --> 08:08.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% JOE WALSH: Absolutely. 08:08.766 --> 08:10.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And, Judy, that's an important distinction. 08:10.233 --> 08:13.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I never was part of the so-called birther movement. 08:13.333 --> 08:14.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% But you're right. 08:14.833 --> 08:18.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% On a number of occasions, I said Barack Obama is a Muslim. 08:18.533 --> 08:22.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I wrote in an -- an op-ed in The New York Times about two weeks ago... 08:22.433 --> 08:24.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Right. 08:24.433 --> 08:26.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOE WALSH: ... saying that President Trump is unfit, somebody should challenge him. 08:26.666 --> 08:31.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And I apologized for the role I played in what I believe is helping to put an unfit 08:32.533 --> 08:34.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% con man in the White House. 08:34.000 --> 08:36.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Judy, I went to Washington in 2010 to raise hell. 08:36.300 --> 08:38.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I was part of that Tea Party class. 08:38.566 --> 08:43.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And oftentimes in that fight, I let the policy fight become a personal fight. 08:45.633 --> 08:49.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And I got involved in this whole -- the demonization of my political opponents. 08:51.000 --> 08:53.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I believe that that helped lead to this president. 08:53.166 --> 08:55.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And when did you decide that was wrong? 08:55.766 --> 09:00.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JOE WALSH: A year or so after President Trump got elected. 09:02.700 --> 09:06.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I'm only hesitating because, after President Trump got elected, and day by day, week by 09:08.100 --> 09:11.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% week, month by month went by, I looked at him and I listened to him, and I thought, 09:11.133 --> 09:14.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% oh, my God, is that what I sounded like back in the day? 09:14.900 --> 09:17.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Is that what I sound like on the radio? 09:17.233 --> 09:21.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% In many ways, Judy, his election has been my road to Damascus moment. 09:21.300 --> 09:26.300 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% And I decided a year, a year-and-a-half ago that I wasn't going to engage in the personal 09:26.900 --> 09:29.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% destruction. 09:29.033 --> 09:31.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: You have also said that you have the right to say that blacks are lazy. 09:31.933 --> 09:35.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JOE WALSH: Yes, not -- not that I believe blacks are lazy. 09:35.333 --> 09:37.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: But why would you even say that? 09:37.733 --> 09:42.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% JOE WALSH: Well, a big issue that I'm so passionate about is free speech, people being able to 09:44.833 --> 09:46.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% say what they want to say. 09:46.266 --> 09:48.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Now, again... 09:48.300 --> 09:52.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But my question is, why would you even say that a group of Americans, based 09:52.000 --> 09:53.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% on their race, is... 09:53.466 --> 09:55.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JOE WALSH: I could have said white people are lazy. 09:55.333 --> 09:56.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I could have said whatever. 09:56.433 --> 09:57.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But you didn't. 09:57.433 --> 09:58.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That's not what you said. 09:58.433 --> 10:00.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% JOE WALSH: No, I know. 10:00.466 --> 10:04.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But if you -- Judy, if you go through my 40,000 tweets, I did a pretty bad or horrible job 10:04.266 --> 10:06.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of offending a lot of people. 10:06.266 --> 10:09.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Look, I was a radio talk show host. 10:09.900 --> 10:14.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I felt a big part of my job was to provoke and get people thinking about a number of 10:15.533 --> 10:16.766 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% issues. 10:16.766 --> 10:18.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And, again, oftentimes, I went over the line. 10:18.833 --> 10:23.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you believe that any minority in this country is lazy... 10:24.400 --> 10:25.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% JOE WALSH: No. 10:25.900 --> 10:26.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: ... or should be discriminated against? 10:26.566 --> 10:28.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (CROSSTALK) 10:28.300 --> 10:29.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: I mean, you're saying all your views have changed... 10:29.100 --> 10:30.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (CROSSTALK) 10:30.633 --> 10:31.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JOE WALSH: No, no, no, no, my views haven't changed. 10:31.766 --> 10:33.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I have never believed that. 10:33.933 --> 10:38.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Certainly, some things that I have said have been pretty -- pretty aggressive, but, no, 10:38.833 --> 10:41.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, those aren't -- those aren't my views. 10:41.300 --> 10:45.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% That's just the way I, unfortunately, pushed the envelope too often. 10:45.066 --> 10:49.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Joe Walsh, running for president, running for the Republican nomination, thank 10:49.400 --> 10:50.400 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% you. 10:50.400 --> 10:50.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% JOE WALSH: Judy, thank you.