WEBVTT 00:01.466 --> 00:04.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Next: an artistic response to a divided society. 00:04.233 --> 00:08.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Jeffrey Brown returns and takes us to New York for a look at a recent day-long project 00:08.733 --> 00:11.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% titled The Shape of Things. 00:11.000 --> 00:16.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: There was music and movement, a full day and night of art and talk. 00:19.633 --> 00:24.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MAN: Always question democracy. 00:26.633 --> 00:29.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% The public event, titled The Shape of Things, featured more than 50 artists and thinkers 00:30.900 --> 00:35.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who engage social issues in their work. 00:37.433 --> 00:40.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% There were well-established figures such as jazz pianist Jason Moran and newer voices 00:41.166 --> 00:44.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% like Kimberly Drew. 00:44.800 --> 00:49.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It was held at the historic Park Avenue Armory in Manhattan, built in 1880 to showcase and 00:51.866 --> 00:56.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% honor military might, but now an exhibition space for visual and performing arts. 00:57.600 --> 00:59.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% CARRIE MAE WEEMS, Artist: How are artists responding? 00:59.766 --> 01:03.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% How are artists maintaining a level of dignity and hope and progress and work in the face 01:04.700 --> 01:05.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of this devastating violence? 01:05.900 --> 01:08.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I want to know what that looks like. 01:08.033 --> 01:12.266 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% JEFFREY BROWN: It was the brainchild of artist Carrie Mae Weems, who called this a convening. 01:12.266 --> 01:16.066 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% CARRIE MAE WEEMS: This brings together, I think, an extraordinary group of people who 01:16.066 --> 01:21.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% are thinking deeply about the moments in which we live and are as concerned as I am about 01:24.833 --> 01:26.900 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% addressing it. 01:26.900 --> 01:30.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And each of us has to figure out how in our own lives and in our own work. 01:30.833 --> 01:35.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: The 64 year-old Weems is best known for her photography and, through it, 01:37.166 --> 01:39.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% her exploration of history, race, and power. 01:39.733 --> 01:44.733 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% We first spoke in 2014, when she became the first African-American woman given a solo 01:46.033 --> 01:48.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% exhibition at the prestigious Guggenheim Museum. 01:48.966 --> 01:53.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Among the works on display, the 1995 series From Here I Saw What Happened and I Cried, 01:55.966 --> 02:00.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% where Weems altered 19th century photographs of slaves, and the 1990 Kitchen Table series, 02:02.866 --> 02:07.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% in which Weems herself is a character in a set of carefully constructed scenes from a 02:07.800 --> 02:11.933 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% woman's life. 02:11.933 --> 02:16.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% In recent years, she's taken the aspect of performance further, to a theater piece she 02:16.466 --> 02:21.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% created called Grace Notes, a response to the 2015 murder of nine members of a black 02:23.033 --> 02:26.066 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% church in Charleston, South Carolina, by a white supremacist. 02:26.066 --> 02:29.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% CARRIE MAE WEEMS: What is violence? 02:29.200 --> 02:31.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% How would you characterize it? 02:31.266 --> 02:34.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: For the armory event, Weems set a theme for the day, what she called the 02:34.900 --> 02:36.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% history of violence. 02:36.933 --> 02:41.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CARRIE MAE WEEMS: How violence disrupts and dislocates, displaces, fragments not only 02:44.566 --> 02:47.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the self, the person, but also the society. 02:47.600 --> 02:52.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: The participants picked up on that in a variety of ways. 02:52.000 --> 02:55.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ADAM FOSS, Former Prosecutor: Today, there are 2.3 million people are in jail and prison. 02:55.266 --> 03:00.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: Adam Foss, a former prosecutor in Boston, spoke on mass incarceration and 03:01.433 --> 03:03.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the need for criminal justice reform. 03:03.533 --> 03:05.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ADAM FOSS: One in three black men born today will spend some time in prison. 03:05.900 --> 03:10.900 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% JEFFREY BROWN: Navid and Vassiliki Khonsari, who've developed leading video games, showed 03:12.966 --> 03:16.366 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% a new virtual reality experience to put people in violent settings to see how they'd respond. 03:18.333 --> 03:22.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And poet Aja Monet read her poem called "The First Time" about an interaction she witnessed 03:27.766 --> 03:30.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% between her teenaged brother and a police officer. 03:30.300 --> 03:35.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AJA MONET, Poet: I couldn't undo all the hate that builds watching the men you love cower, 03:35.300 --> 03:40.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% watching the men you love cower, bend, kneel to the scows of overseers, all the bright 03:41.933 --> 03:46.566 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% and magic that dims the light, lowers the bright and magic dims. 03:46.566 --> 03:51.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% This police officer stopped us and felt really entitled to question us, interrogate us. 03:53.600 --> 03:57.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I noticed the demeanor in my brother change, and I noticed how that made him feel and how 03:59.566 --> 04:01.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% it made me feel to watch. 04:01.633 --> 04:05.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: The 30-year-old Monet lives in Southern Florida and has worked with Carrie 04:05.133 --> 04:06.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Mae Weems before. 04:06.600 --> 04:08.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% AJA MONET: If Carrie asks you, you don't say no. 04:08.833 --> 04:11.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% You just say yes. 04:11.133 --> 04:16.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: Another young artist saying yes was John Edmonds, who showed a series 04:18.700 --> 04:21.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of photographs of young black men. 04:21.100 --> 04:25.533 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% JOHN EDMONDS, Photographer: There is a different way of entering and thinking about political 04:27.600 --> 04:30.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% art, art that's not blatantly about sort of sending an overt message, but more so inviting 04:32.166 --> 04:36.066 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% the viewer to kind of contemplate on their own sort of mind-set. 04:36.066 --> 04:41.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: Do you think that an artist has a responsibility today to address political 04:41.666 --> 04:43.766 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% issues overtly? 04:43.766 --> 04:46.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JOHN EDMONDS: It's an artist's responsibility to be mindful of the political climate that 04:46.700 --> 04:51.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% they're in, because art and photographs and images, they have a great amount of power. 04:53.933 --> 04:58.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: That climate for the people here meant a response to growing divisions 05:00.233 --> 05:02.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% within the country. 05:02.200 --> 05:06.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CARRIE MAE WEEMS: For me, Donald Trump has really brought something so forward to bear 05:07.133 --> 05:08.233 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% on us all. 05:08.233 --> 05:10.200 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Right? 05:10.200 --> 05:14.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He's brought forward very clear ideas about what America should and shouldn't be. 05:16.933 --> 05:21.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And it's for that reason I think that he's been -- his election has been absolutely remarkable 05:23.933 --> 05:27.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% and necessary, because it lays bare the clarity of the moment, right, and how splintered the 05:29.200 --> 05:32.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% country is and what people are really fighting around. 05:32.066 --> 05:37.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: One thing I'm wondering, though, today, here, who is this for? 05:38.933 --> 05:41.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Are you worried that this is more like preaching to the choir here? 05:41.866 --> 05:46.866 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% CARRIE MAE WEEMS: No, no, because even when we're grappling with the same ideas, we don't 05:47.733 --> 05:48.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% all think the same things. 05:48.933 --> 05:51.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We don't all believe the same things. 05:51.366 --> 05:56.366 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% For even the -- quote -- "liberal," the sort of progressive side, they're grappling with 05:59.400 --> 06:02.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who they are in relationship to this moment as well. 06:02.100 --> 06:07.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: But do you feel -- has anything changed in terms of your sense of you as an 06:08.300 --> 06:09.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% artist, your responsibility? 06:09.533 --> 06:12.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% CARRIE MAE WEEMS: No, it's only deepened. 06:12.100 --> 06:14.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It's only deepened. 06:14.133 --> 06:18.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I do think that as I mature and I age, I think more of creating these spaces, of widening 06:22.000 --> 06:27.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the path, and being clear about that, so that others can do their work more easily in the 06:29.166 --> 06:31.266 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% future. 06:31.266 --> 06:34.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JEFFREY BROWN: Weems says she wants to build on the Shape of Things project, in her own 06:34.233 --> 06:39.233 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% work, and through future collaborations with other artists and presenters who took part. 06:44.833 --> 06:49.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Jeffrey Brown at the Park Avenue Armory in New York. 06:49.000 --> 06:49.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Amazing.