1 00:00:02,033 --> 00:00:04,600 JUDY WOODRUFF: But first: As Republicans on Capitol Hill try to repeal and replace the 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:09,300 Affordable Care Act, we're going to spend the next couple of nights hearing what patients 3 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:12,100 and health care providers think should be done. 4 00:00:12,100 --> 00:00:17,100 Our team visited West Virginia and Virginia, which made very different decisions about 5 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:19,300 Medicaid. 6 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:22,500 West Virginia did commit to expanding Medicaid through Obamacare. 7 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:26,133 But Virginia is one of 19 states that didn't. 8 00:00:26,133 --> 00:00:31,133 The state's Republican-controlled legislature voted against expanding the program to 400,000 9 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:35,000 more citizens because of concerns over costs. 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Tonight, we visit a clinic providing free care in the western corner of Virginia, a 11 00:00:41,466 --> 00:00:43,700 region that strongly supported the election of President Trump. 12 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:45,333 DR. 13 00:00:45,333 --> 00:00:47,233 PAULA HILL, Family Nurse Practitioner: My name is Dr. Paula Hill. 14 00:00:47,233 --> 00:00:50,633 I'm a family nurse practitioner and clinical director here at the Health Wagon. 15 00:00:50,633 --> 00:00:53,700 We are at the Smiddy Clinic in Wise, Virginia. 16 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:58,433 We actually say that we're the forgotten Virginia, because we're down in the corner with Tennessee 17 00:00:58,433 --> 00:01:00,566 and Kentucky borders. 18 00:01:00,566 --> 00:01:04,666 And we're very rural, very mountainous and very isolated from the rest of Virginia and 19 00:01:05,833 --> 00:01:08,066 a lot of ways the rest of the country. 20 00:01:08,066 --> 00:01:13,066 We have a high rate of heart disease, diabetes, and it's because of the economics here. 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,866 JOYCE CAMPBELL, Virginia: All the mines and stuff have just about closed down. 22 00:01:19,866 --> 00:01:22,600 And there really isn't any jobs around here. 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,566 My name is Joyce Campbell. 24 00:01:24,566 --> 00:01:26,200 I'm from Wise, Virginia. 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,200 You know, I get $800 a month. 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,200 And I am fortunate I do have an income coming in, with my Social Security. 27 00:01:36,833 --> 00:01:41,833 And the time you pay your rent, your electric, your water, your gas, you either have a choice 28 00:01:43,433 --> 00:01:46,166 of whether you want to buy your medicine or whether you want to eat. 29 00:01:46,166 --> 00:01:48,233 DR. 30 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:51,533 PAULA HILL: The Affordable Care Act, when it was enacted, it did help a lot of Virginians. 31 00:01:51,533 --> 00:01:56,533 Down here in this part of the state, in far Southwestern Virginia, we didn't benefit as 32 00:01:57,966 --> 00:02:01,533 much because there are such dire economic constraints here. 33 00:02:01,533 --> 00:02:04,733 Our patients couldn't afford the Affordable Care Act. 34 00:02:04,733 --> 00:02:08,433 They couldn't afford $400 a month for a family plan. 35 00:02:08,433 --> 00:02:10,900 And Virginia didn't expand Medicaid. 36 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:13,566 We actually didn't benefit any. 37 00:02:13,566 --> 00:02:16,100 It would have helped if we had expanded Medicaid. 38 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:20,566 It would have helped some of our residents anyway, because there's a dire amount of poverty. 39 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,233 There's people dying every day, and dying senseless deaths, because they don't have 40 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:28,333 equal right to health care. 41 00:02:28,333 --> 00:02:30,133 TINA BEAN, Virginia: My name is Tina Bean. 42 00:02:30,133 --> 00:02:35,133 I'm 59, and I'm from Haysi, Virginia. 43 00:02:36,466 --> 00:02:38,300 I had congestive heart failure twice. 44 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:40,333 I didn't have insurance. 45 00:02:40,333 --> 00:02:44,133 And that's when I started coming to Paula, or coming to the Health Wagon. 46 00:02:44,133 --> 00:02:46,933 Without the medicines and stuff, I probably wouldn't be here. 47 00:02:46,933 --> 00:02:51,266 When I heard about the Obamacare a few years ago and checked it and stuff, you could tell 48 00:02:51,266 --> 00:02:52,666 then that it wasn't going to work. 49 00:02:52,666 --> 00:02:54,200 People can't afford it. 50 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,266 JOYCE CAMPBELL: They call it Affordable Care Act. 51 00:02:56,266 --> 00:02:57,700 But it's not. 52 00:02:57,700 --> 00:03:00,466 And they said you could keep your doctors. 53 00:03:00,466 --> 00:03:04,400 You couldn't because your doctors wouldn't take the thing. 54 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,400 And they said you could go to the same hospital, but a lot of it was built on lies. 55 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,633 If you really want to know the truth, I think - - and I think somebody one of these days 56 00:03:13,633 --> 00:03:14,900 is going to give an account for it. 57 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:16,400 JEFF TILLER, Virginia: My name is Jeff Tiller. 58 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,666 And I'm 47 years old. 59 00:03:17,666 --> 00:03:22,400 And I have worked in the coal mines for 29 years. 60 00:03:23,566 --> 00:03:26,333 They diagnosed me for black lung. 61 00:03:26,333 --> 00:03:31,333 They done a chest X-ray. 62 00:03:32,466 --> 00:03:36,933 They also have found some nodules in my lung. 63 00:03:39,133 --> 00:03:40,600 DR. 64 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,666 PAULA HILL: We are overwhelmed here at the Health Wagon. 65 00:03:42,666 --> 00:03:47,133 We have went to over almost 9,000 patients, and we have a staff of less than 20. 66 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Every year, we have an outreach clinic event called Remote Area Medical. 67 00:03:54,633 --> 00:03:57,766 You will see them standing in line for dental care, for medical care, for vision. 68 00:03:59,833 --> 00:04:04,566 We have found people with dissecting aortic aneurysms that's had to be flown out. 69 00:04:06,466 --> 00:04:08,533 We have had patients have stroke right there in front of us at these Remote Area Medical 70 00:04:08,533 --> 00:04:11,033 events. 71 00:04:11,033 --> 00:04:14,033 We have had brain tumors that have been discovered, lung cancers that have been discovered. 72 00:04:14,033 --> 00:04:15,700 And every year, it's like this. 73 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,366 We keep thinking, well, is it ever going to get better? 74 00:04:18,366 --> 00:04:21,633 Is anybody going to help these forgotten people? 75 00:04:21,633 --> 00:04:24,733 They're like something you would see in a Third World country. 76 00:04:24,733 --> 00:04:28,633 JOYCE CAMPBELL: The Obamacare could have helped some people. 77 00:04:28,633 --> 00:04:30,133 I say it needs to be replaced. 78 00:04:30,133 --> 00:04:33,000 TINA BEAN: I hope that they can replace it. 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,833 I know it's not going to be something they can do overnight, because the mess didn't 80 00:04:36,833 --> 00:04:38,833 come overnight. 81 00:04:38,833 --> 00:04:42,833 JEFF TILLER: When I first started hearing that Obama getting ready for health care, 82 00:04:44,466 --> 00:04:47,266 Obamacare, I thought that was great. 83 00:04:47,266 --> 00:04:49,400 We tried it. 84 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,533 We got it. 85 00:04:51,533 --> 00:04:52,533 Does it have faults? 86 00:04:52,533 --> 00:04:53,866 Yes, it does. 87 00:04:53,866 --> 00:04:55,266 Is it working? 88 00:04:55,266 --> 00:04:57,300 Yes, it is. 89 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:01,666 And I know right there in my hometown of people that's got insurance through the Affordable 90 00:05:02,566 --> 00:05:03,866 Care Act. 91 00:05:03,866 --> 00:05:07,533 And you reverse it, they lose their insurance. 92 00:05:07,533 --> 00:05:11,200 WOMAN: If all of this goes through, I probably won't have anything. 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,166 I don't know how I'm going to get covered. 94 00:05:13,166 --> 00:05:14,666 DR. 95 00:05:14,666 --> 00:05:15,833 PAULA HILL: Because of the preexisting conditions? 96 00:05:15,833 --> 00:05:16,866 WOMAN: Yes, right. 97 00:05:16,866 --> 00:05:17,866 And I have had it for years. 98 00:05:17,866 --> 00:05:19,900 DR. 99 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:22,566 PAULA HILL: If the Senate plan actually passes, there will be deep cuts to Medicaid. 100 00:05:22,566 --> 00:05:27,566 Even though Virginians didn't expand, what they are paying out is going to be even -- subjected 101 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:30,333 to even more cuts. 102 00:05:30,333 --> 00:05:34,566 Then you have the preventive care that's being discussed that they're not going to be paying 103 00:05:35,233 --> 00:05:37,266 for anymore. 104 00:05:37,266 --> 00:05:41,133 Just because it wasn't a perfect plan, it doesn't mean do away with the whole thing. 105 00:05:41,133 --> 00:05:46,133 Why can't we build on it and repair it, not take it away and then start over with another 106 00:05:47,233 --> 00:05:49,300 plan that's not perfect and not ideal? 107 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:53,600 JOYCE CAMPBELL: It helped the insurance company, because they made all kind of money off of 108 00:05:54,066 --> 00:05:56,033 it. 109 00:05:56,033 --> 00:05:58,600 But, as far as helping a lot of poor people, it didn't, and it still isn't. 110 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,600 Now, we cannot afford the high cost like Obama had there. 111 00:06:05,133 --> 00:06:07,766 There's no way that people in Southwest Virginia can handle it. 112 00:06:07,766 --> 00:06:12,766 Now, maybe up Washington, or way up where there's money and jobs, you could. 113 00:06:13,966 --> 00:06:15,900 But there's neither money nor jobs here. 114 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:18,800 TINA BEAN: They need to do something to help it. 115 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,300 And, hopefully, the administration now, maybe they will do something. 116 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:24,933 JOYCE CAMPBELL: Washington, come to Southwest Virginia. 117 00:06:24,933 --> 00:06:26,433 DR. 118 00:06:26,433 --> 00:06:28,000 PAULA HILL: Come down here and look in their eyes. 119 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,833 And don't forget where you came from. 120 00:06:30,833 --> 00:06:33,533 Don't forget who put you in the position that you're in. 121 00:06:33,533 --> 00:06:35,333 JOYCE CAMPBELL: Check the people. 122 00:06:35,333 --> 00:06:36,333 Look at them. 123 00:06:36,333 --> 00:06:38,033 Go sit on the streets. 124 00:06:38,033 --> 00:06:42,533 Go bring your car and park it and look at the people that are hurting. 125 00:06:42,533 --> 00:06:45,400 And then, if you have got a heart, you will know what it needs.