1 00:00:00,033 --> 00:00:01,900 >> Sreenivasan: IF A DEAL ISN'T 2 00:00:01,900 --> 00:00:03,333 STRUCK BY MIDNIGHT THIS 3 00:00:03,333 --> 00:00:04,566 SATURDAY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 4 00:00:04,566 --> 00:00:05,400 WILL SHUT DOWN. 5 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,700 BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ITEM ON 6 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:08,466 LAWMAKERS TO-DO LIST BEFORE THE 7 00:00:08,466 --> 00:00:09,833 HOLIDAY RECESS. 8 00:00:09,833 --> 00:00:11,433 LESS TALKED ABOUT IS THE RENEWAL 9 00:00:11,433 --> 00:00:13,066 OF A LAW KNOWN AS THE FISA 10 00:00:13,066 --> 00:00:14,433 AMENDMENTS ACT. 11 00:00:14,433 --> 00:00:15,500 IT ALLOWS FOR THE SURVEILLANCE 12 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:16,933 OF FOREIGNERS OUTSIDE OF THE 13 00:00:16,933 --> 00:00:18,066 UNITED STATES. 14 00:00:18,066 --> 00:00:19,100 AND WHILE THERE IS GENERALLY 15 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:20,666 BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THE LAW 16 00:00:20,666 --> 00:00:22,366 ON NATIONAL SECURITY GROUNDS, 17 00:00:22,366 --> 00:00:23,800 SOME ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE 18 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,466 ARE CALLING FOR CHANGES. 19 00:00:25,466 --> 00:00:27,033 AMONG THE CONCERNS: AMERICAN 20 00:00:27,033 --> 00:00:28,666 CITIZENS WILL BE SPIED UPON 21 00:00:28,666 --> 00:00:30,133 WITHOUT A WARRANT. 22 00:00:30,133 --> 00:00:30,933 BYRON TAU OF THE "WALL STREET 23 00:00:30,933 --> 00:00:31,966 JOURNAL" HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE 24 00:00:31,966 --> 00:00:32,900 STORY AND HE JOINS ME NOW FROM 25 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:33,966 WASHINGTON, D.C. 26 00:00:33,966 --> 00:00:34,866 SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE 27 00:00:34,866 --> 00:00:35,400 ISSUES. 28 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,400 WHAT ARE THE STICKING POINTS 29 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,433 HERE? 30 00:00:37,433 --> 00:00:39,333 >> THE STICKING POINT IS THERE'S 31 00:00:39,333 --> 00:00:40,700 A BIG GROUP OF REFORMERS ON 32 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:42,366 CAPITOL HILL THAT CROSSES PARTY 33 00:00:42,366 --> 00:00:44,633 LINES THAT WANT MORE PRIVACY 34 00:00:44,633 --> 00:00:46,400 PROTECTIONS FOR AMERICANS WHO 35 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,000 MIGHT INCIDENTALLY GET CAUGHT UP 36 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,833 IN THIS SPYING, WHETHER THEY ARE 37 00:00:50,833 --> 00:00:51,766 COMMUNICATING WITH A 38 00:00:51,766 --> 00:00:53,133 TARGET OVERSEAS OR WHETHER THEIR 39 00:00:53,133 --> 00:00:55,333 COMMUNICATIONS GET ACCIDENTALLY 40 00:00:55,333 --> 00:00:57,900 LUMPED INTO BIG BASKETS OF DATA 41 00:00:57,900 --> 00:00:59,300 THAT INTERNET COMPANIES GIVE TO 42 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:00,433 THE N.S.A. 43 00:01:00,433 --> 00:01:01,800 A LOT OF THESE LAWMAKERS WANT TO 44 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,466 REQUIRE A WARRANT FOR THE N.S.A. 45 00:01:04,466 --> 00:01:07,466 OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY 46 00:01:07,466 --> 00:01:08,733 TO LISTEN OR LOOK AT THESE 47 00:01:08,733 --> 00:01:09,666 COMMUNICATIONS. 48 00:01:09,666 --> 00:01:10,300 >> Sreenivasan: SO THIS IS 49 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:11,800 SOMETHING THAT RAND PAUL AND 50 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,766 RON WYDEN CAN AGREE ON FROM 51 00:01:13,766 --> 00:01:16,066 DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM. 52 00:01:16,066 --> 00:01:17,000 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 53 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,200 THERE ARE CONSERVATIVE 54 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,566 REPUBLICANS AND THERE ARE 55 00:01:19,566 --> 00:01:20,833 LIBERAL DEMOCRATS WHO ARE 56 00:01:20,833 --> 00:01:22,733 PUSHING FOR BIG CHANGES TO THIS 57 00:01:22,733 --> 00:01:24,533 INCLUDING A WARRANT REQUIREMENT 58 00:01:24,533 --> 00:01:25,633 AND THERE ARE SOME 59 00:01:25,633 --> 00:01:27,200 OTHER BIPARTISAN COALITIONS THAT 60 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,233 ARE PUSHING FOR MORE MODEST 61 00:01:29,233 --> 00:01:30,966 CHANGES, SO THIS IS ONE ISSUE ON 62 00:01:30,966 --> 00:01:32,666 CAPITOL HILL WHERE THE TYPICAL 63 00:01:32,666 --> 00:01:35,400 PARTY LINES AND THE DEBATE IS 64 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:36,866 A LITTLE BIT SCRAMBLED. 65 00:01:36,866 --> 00:01:37,766 >> Sreenivasan: SO WHAT HAPPENS 66 00:01:37,766 --> 00:01:39,333 IF THIS DOESN'T GET PASSED BY 67 00:01:39,333 --> 00:01:41,266 JANUARY 1? 68 00:01:41,266 --> 00:01:43,633 >> WELL THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 69 00:01:43,633 --> 00:01:45,200 THE FISA COURT, WHICH IS A 70 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,333 SPECIAL COURT THAT OVERSEES ALL 71 00:01:47,333 --> 00:01:48,633 THESE MAJOR SURVEILLANCE 72 00:01:48,633 --> 00:01:49,900 PROGRAMS SAYS THEY WOULDN'T HAVE 73 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:51,833 TO SHUT THEM DOWN IMMEDIATELY. 74 00:01:51,833 --> 00:01:53,366 BUT THIS IS THE KEY 75 00:01:53,366 --> 00:01:54,766 SURVEILLANCE LAW THAT UNDERPINS 76 00:01:54,766 --> 00:01:56,833 A LOT OF THE ELECTRONIC SPYING 77 00:01:56,833 --> 00:01:57,933 THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES. 78 00:01:57,933 --> 00:01:59,400 AND IT HAS TO BE RENEWED AT 79 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:00,866 SOME POINT NEXT YEAR, 80 00:02:00,866 --> 00:02:02,000 OTHERWISE THERE'S A 81 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,900 GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE 82 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:05,066 INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, AND 83 00:02:05,066 --> 00:02:06,200 EVENTUALLY THESE PROGRAMS WOULD 84 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,800 HAVE TO START TO WIND DOWN. 85 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:08,533 >> Sreenivasan: GIVEN THAT 86 00:02:08,533 --> 00:02:09,700 EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT TAXES 87 00:02:09,700 --> 00:02:11,000 THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS OF THIS 88 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:11,700 WEEK AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT 89 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:13,900 SHUTDOWN, HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT 90 00:02:13,900 --> 00:02:17,000 LAWMAKERS AGREE ON THIS? 91 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,833 >> WELL, WE'RE ABOUT 15 DAYS 92 00:02:18,833 --> 00:02:20,400 AWAY FROM THE EXPIRATION OF THE 93 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,333 FISA LAW, AND THERE'S NO CLEAR 94 00:02:22,333 --> 00:02:23,966 PATH FORWARD FOR CONGRESS TO 95 00:02:23,966 --> 00:02:25,166 DEAL WITH THIS. 96 00:02:25,166 --> 00:02:26,733 A LOT OF LAWMAKERS ON BOTH 97 00:02:26,733 --> 00:02:28,266 SIDES OF THE AISLE ARE DUG IN 98 00:02:28,266 --> 00:02:30,033 AGAINST PUTTING A RENEWAL IN 99 00:02:30,033 --> 00:02:31,900 THE SPENDING BILL, AND THERE'S 100 00:02:31,900 --> 00:02:33,500 ONLY FIVE DAYS LEFT OF 101 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:35,100 CONGRESSIONAL ACTION BEFORE THEY 102 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:36,400 ARE EXPECTED TO RECESS FOR 103 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,633 CHRISTMAS. 104 00:02:37,633 --> 00:02:39,066 SO I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON 105 00:02:39,066 --> 00:02:40,666 CAPITOL HILL QUITE KNOWS WHERE 106 00:02:40,666 --> 00:02:41,633 THIS IS GOING. 107 00:02:41,633 --> 00:02:42,433 >> Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT, BYRON 108 00:02:42,433 --> 00:02:43,166 TAU OF THE "WALL STREET 109 00:02:43,166 --> 00:02:45,966 JOURNAL," THANKS SO MUCH. 110 00:02:44,666 --> 00:02:46,000 >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.