WEBVTT 00:01.900 --> 00:04.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Yesterday marked the halfway point in President Trump's first term, as 00:04.666 --> 00:09.666 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% the government shutdown stretches into a second month, a perfect time for Politics Monday. 00:11.633 --> 00:15.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I'm joined by Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report and Tamara Keith of NPR. 00:15.266 --> 00:16.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Hello to both of you. 00:16.933 --> 00:18.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It is Politics Monday. 00:18.733 --> 00:22.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So let's talk about this shutdown standoff. 00:22.166 --> 00:27.166 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% Amy, over the weekend, as we said, the president made an offer, did some tweaking, and said 00:28.600 --> 00:32.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% what -- made what he said was a significant move on his part. 00:32.400 --> 00:35.600 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% Democrats, before it was even announced, said they were against it. 00:35.600 --> 00:40.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Is there any pressure now on Democrats to cut some kind of deal, or can they just wait 00:41.333 --> 00:43.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% the president out? 00:43.433 --> 00:44.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Well, that's what we're going to wait to see is 00:44.266 --> 00:46.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% where the pressure goes. 00:46.366 --> 00:49.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Up until this point, it's been pretty clear in all the data and all the polling that the 00:49.033 --> 00:52.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% blame is being put squarely on President Trump's shoulders. 00:52.933 --> 00:57.033 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% And, as we have noted many times, he did say, "I own the shutdown." 00:57.033 --> 01:00.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So that's a difficult thing to get out from under. 01:00.133 --> 01:05.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It's also true that Democrats in polling that we have seen feel more committed, Democratic 01:06.966 --> 01:10.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% voters feel much more committed to Democrats sticking by their commitment to not include 01:12.900 --> 01:16.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the wall in any compromise than Republicans are committed to not having a compromise without 01:18.633 --> 01:20.733 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% a wall. 01:20.733 --> 01:23.400 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% In other words, the wall is a much bigger issue right now, believe it or not, for Democratic 01:23.400 --> 01:26.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% voters than it is for the Republican voters. 01:26.333 --> 01:29.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Supposedly, this is Trump's base, and they're going to want it. 01:29.100 --> 01:32.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But the opposition to it is much stronger. 01:32.333 --> 01:36.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% So what we will have to see as we go through this process is whether the decision by the 01:36.166 --> 01:40.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% president to say, hey, I have come to the table, you guys said you wanted to have a 01:40.233 --> 01:41.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% deal, that I wasn't compromising with you. 01:41.866 --> 01:43.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I have put something on the table. 01:43.966 --> 01:48.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It's your turn now to sit down and hear that compromise out, rather than just pointing 01:50.366 --> 01:52.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% fingers and saying it's all your fault and we're not going to listen to you. 01:52.500 --> 01:56.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But, as I said, they're -- we still have a long way to go to that piece and whether there 01:56.766 --> 02:01.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% is more compromise or whether it's simply both sides pushing issues onto the table, 02:03.166 --> 02:05.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but never committing to working on them together. 02:05.700 --> 02:08.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But, Tam, we are a month into this. 02:08.100 --> 02:09.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% AMY WALTER: Right. 02:09.300 --> 02:11.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% TAMARA KEITH, National Public Radio: Yes. 02:11.266 --> 02:12.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: People are going without paychecks who work for the federal government. 02:12.200 --> 02:14.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Can Democrats truly wait it out? 02:14.766 --> 02:18.100 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% TAMARA KEITH: Well, and Democrats, traditionally, at least, have been the party that wants the 02:20.100 --> 02:22.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% government reopened, not just in this government shutdown, but in every government shutdown. 02:22.366 --> 02:26.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% They're -- they're typically the ones that cry uncle first, because they want the government 02:26.800 --> 02:28.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to be open and function. 02:28.366 --> 02:31.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They're pretty pro-government. 02:31.100 --> 02:36.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% This shutdown has moved in slow motion, probably not for the people who are working without 02:37.233 --> 02:39.066 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% pay. 02:39.066 --> 02:40.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% For them, it has been excruciating. 02:40.700 --> 02:45.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But the negotiations, such as they are, are in slow motion. 02:45.700 --> 02:47.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There is no shuttle diplomacy. 02:47.966 --> 02:52.933 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% There -- this speech that the president gave was him making an offer. 02:54.966 --> 02:59.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% There was no private offer -- there was no pre-offer made to Democratic leaders. 02:59.966 --> 03:02.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% That was the offer. 03:02.133 --> 03:06.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And the remarkable thing is, he could have made that offer two weeks earlier in his prime-time 03:07.000 --> 03:08.000 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% address. 03:08.000 --> 03:09.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AMY WALTER: Absolutely, yes. 03:09.233 --> 03:10.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% TAMARA KEITH: And he didn't do it then. 03:10.166 --> 03:11.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He didn't offer anything then. 03:11.533 --> 03:13.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And it dragged on for two more weeks. 03:13.500 --> 03:16.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But the White House is saying, we have moved, and the Democrats haven't, 03:16.966 --> 03:17.966 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% so... 03:17.966 --> 03:19.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% AMY WALTER: Right. 03:19.466 --> 03:21.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And the Democrats are going to say, we have moved too. 03:21.233 --> 03:22.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% We're agreeing to this. 03:22.233 --> 03:23.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% We're agreeing to these. 03:23.766 --> 03:27.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% These are our points that we are willing to negotiate on. 03:27.600 --> 03:31.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% That's when you -- to Tam's point, that's when you get the teams together behind the 03:31.433 --> 03:33.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% scenes and do the work. 03:33.000 --> 03:34.966 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: But it's just they won't negotiate for the wall. 03:34.966 --> 03:38.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TAMARA KEITH: Yes, though Democrats, also, their position has been -- and this has not 03:38.966 --> 03:43.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% changed -- that they are happy to negotiate, but once the government is open. 03:43.466 --> 03:45.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Open, right, exactly. 03:45.166 --> 03:48.233 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% TAMARA KEITH: And that -- there's been no movement on that. 03:48.233 --> 03:53.233 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: The BuzzFeed article that came out last Friday, early Friday, Amy, the press 03:55.166 --> 03:59.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% was all over the story basically saying that the special counsel has solid information 04:01.633 --> 04:06.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% that the president told his former private attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress. 04:06.600 --> 04:11.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% At the end of the day, Friday night, the special counsel's office issues what seems like a 04:11.266 --> 04:15.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% pretty significant denial, says, this is not accurate. 04:15.133 --> 04:16.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% AMY WALTER: Right. 04:16.133 --> 04:17.633 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Right. 04:17.633 --> 04:19.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: What do we learn from this episode? 04:19.700 --> 04:22.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AMY WALTER: Well what's really interesting to me was watching members of Congress react 04:22.000 --> 04:23.466 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% to this. 04:23.466 --> 04:26.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% In particular, I spoke to Representative Joaquin Castro. 04:26.066 --> 04:28.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He sits on the Intelligence Committee. 04:28.700 --> 04:33.700 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% And he did preface it with, if this is true, but tweeted, if this story is true, the president 04:34.833 --> 04:37.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% should resign or should be impeached. 04:37.000 --> 04:41.033 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% His point overall -- I'm starting to pick this up from other Democrats too -- is a frustration 04:42.200 --> 04:44.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% about how slowly Mueller's moving. 04:44.233 --> 04:46.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Remember, it's really been Republicans up until this point that have said, we need Mueller 04:46.700 --> 04:48.200 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% to move fast. 04:48.200 --> 04:50.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% We need Mueller to release this if he has anything. 04:50.233 --> 04:53.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Now it's Democrats who really want to see this, or they say, we're going to -- it's 04:53.700 --> 04:56.700 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% going to come out, a lot of stuff's going to come out through other reporting and through 04:56.700 --> 05:01.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% our congressional hearings, but it'd be better if Mueller could put this all to rest as quickly 05:01.066 --> 05:03.166 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% as possible. 05:03.166 --> 05:06.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TAMARA KEITH: Well, the reason I -- we can't be sure, because the special counsel doesn't 05:06.533 --> 05:09.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% talk to us or anyone else. 05:09.366 --> 05:14.366 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% The reason I think that Peter Carr, the spokesman who never speaks, felt compelled to put out 05:16.266 --> 05:19.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the statement is because there were so many members of Congress who, for -- because this 05:19.966 --> 05:24.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% story in particular pointed to something that very clearly would be a crime, you had so 05:26.866 --> 05:30.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% many members of Congress saying, we're going to have to do something about it, if true. 05:30.800 --> 05:32.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% AMY WALTER: Right. 05:32.300 --> 05:34.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% TAMARA KEITH: But that left a big cloud hanging out there. 05:34.433 --> 05:36.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: All right, last thing I want to ask both of you about. 05:36.733 --> 05:41.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Today, we had yet another Democrat saying, I'm interested in running -- I am running 05:41.166 --> 05:43.233 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% for president. 05:43.233 --> 05:46.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% This time, it's the freshman senator from the state of California, Kamala Harris. 05:46.566 --> 05:51.566 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% She joins at least six other Democrats who have already raised their hands, Joaquin Castro. 05:53.566 --> 05:56.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I won't name all of them, Tulsi Gabbard and Kirsten Gillibrand, of course, Elizabeth Warren, 05:56.566 --> 05:58.633 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% and others. 05:58.633 --> 06:02.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Amy, what do we make of the fact that these are the ones who are out there first? 06:02.366 --> 06:06.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AMY WALTER: Right, that, of that group, there's something that really stands out, right? 06:06.700 --> 06:10.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% There are two white men in that group that you put up there, and the rest are people 06:10.833 --> 06:12.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of color, women, or both. 06:12.900 --> 06:16.700 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% The other fascinating thing that we're seeing as these candidates roll out, many of them 06:16.700 --> 06:18.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% are younger candidates. 06:18.666 --> 06:23.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% They have been in politics maybe for the last 15 or 20 years, but even they are starting 06:23.166 --> 06:28.166 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% what we're talking about now within the Beltway as a sort of apology tour, and having to explain 06:30.033 --> 06:32.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% to primary voters about positions and votes they took earlier in their career. 06:32.633 --> 06:37.033 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% In some cases -- Kirsten Gillibrand, for example - - she's only been involved in national politics 06:37.033 --> 06:41.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% since 2006, but she has now had to come out and explain her positions on immigration, 06:41.833 --> 06:45.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% on guns, when she was a member from Upstate New York, a much more conservative district. 06:45.300 --> 06:47.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Right. 06:47.300 --> 06:49.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AMY WALTER: Joe Biden, who's not on that list, he hasn't announced, but he came out today 06:49.233 --> 06:53.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in a speech, apologized for his vote on the crime bill. 06:53.300 --> 06:56.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Katherine Harris is going to be asked a lot about her decisions. 06:56.233 --> 06:57.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Kamala. 06:57.233 --> 06:59.733 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% (CROSSTALK) 06:59.733 --> 07:01.466 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% AMY WALTER: Kamala Harris, I'm sorry -- a lot about her decisions when she was a prosecutor 07:01.466 --> 07:06.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and attorney general, going too far on the prosecution part. 07:06.200 --> 07:11.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And so the Democratic Party has moved substantially to the left on a whole bunch of issues that 07:13.033 --> 07:16.466 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% even when Barack Obama was first running were considered mainstream. 07:16.466 --> 07:17.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Sorry, 30 seconds. 07:17.933 --> 07:20.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% TAMARA KEITH: Well, so you talk about Joe Biden. 07:20.066 --> 07:24.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He is this big figure who's hanging out there who hasn't said what he's doing it yet. 07:24.200 --> 07:28.566 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% But in our "PBS NewsHour"/Marist poll -- NPR/"PBS NewsHour"/Marist poll -- that took my 30 seconds. 07:28.566 --> 07:30.500 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 07:30.500 --> 07:34.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TAMARA KEITH: He had the highest favorable, highest known quantity, lowest unfavorable 07:36.500 --> 07:39.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of all the names that are out there. 07:39.300 --> 07:44.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% If he were to actually run, that might run into a dose of reality or memory of some of 07:46.200 --> 07:48.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the things that he was involved in so many years ago, because he's been in public life 07:48.766 --> 07:49.766 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% for a long time. 07:49.766 --> 07:51.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AMY WALTER: For a long time. 07:51.800 --> 07:52.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: But at least feeling comfortable he doesn't have to get in right now, but he 07:52.733 --> 07:53.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% may need to get in soon. 07:53.866 --> 07:54.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% AMY WALTER: Right. 07:54.866 --> 07:56.733 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% Yes. 07:56.733 --> 07:57.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Tamara Keith, Amy Walter, Politics Monday, thank you. 07:57.666 --> 07:58.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% AMY WALTER: You're welcome. 07:58.600 --> 07:58.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% TAMARA KEITH: You're welcome.