WEBVTT 00:02.033 --> 00:05.000 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% GEOFF BENNETT: It was a political earthquake last May when the draft Supreme Court opinion 00:06.633 --> 00:09.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% overturning Roe v. Wade was leaked almost two months before the ruling 00:09.166 --> 00:13.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% was actually handed down. Chief Justice John Roberts launched an investigation. 00:13.800 --> 00:17.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And today, as John Yang reports, the court issued its report. 00:17.700 --> 00:22.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% JOHN YANG: Geoff, the investigation has not been able to identify the leaker. No one confessed, 00:24.100 --> 00:26.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and none of the available evidence points to a culprit. 00:26.700 --> 00:31.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The investigation, which was reviewed by former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff, 00:33.700 --> 00:36.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% did identify weaknesses in the way the court handles sensitive documents. 00:36.666 --> 00:39.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Marcia Coyle is the "NewsHour"'s Supreme Court analyst. 00:39.966 --> 00:43.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Marcia, what did -- who did the Supreme Court go about investigating this? 00:43.866 --> 00:48.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MARCIA COYLE: Well, as you recall, John, the investigation was assigned to the court'S marshal. 00:51.633 --> 00:56.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% She's a former national security lawyer for the Army and pretty 00:56.300 --> 01:01.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% much is an administrator now in which she manages the courts of security. 01:03.533 --> 01:08.533 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% The marshal undertook the investigation. And there were interviews of 97 court employees, 01:12.466 --> 01:17.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% 82 of whom actually had access to electronic or hard copies of the draft opinion. 01:22.133 --> 01:27.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% These employees were not only interviewed, but they were asked to agree to sworn affidavits 01:29.633 --> 01:34.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% about the statements they made to investigators. And, as you said, at the at the end, they could 01:36.300 --> 01:41.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% not show by a preponderance of evidence that any one person was responsible for the leak. 01:43.233 --> 01:46.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOHN YANG: And the report said that pandemic may have actually played a role in this. 01:46.833 --> 01:49.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% MARCIA COYLE: And that was kind of interesting, John. 01:49.400 --> 01:54.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% The court said the pandemic -- pandemic and the expansion of the ability to work 01:56.000 --> 02:00.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% from home, along with the gaps in the court's own security measures, 02:02.233 --> 02:06.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% really increased the risk of an inadvertent or deliberate disclosure of the draft report. 02:09.100 --> 02:13.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOHN YANG: The report also said that the - - they had some broad recommendations 02:13.500 --> 02:18.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% about improving the way the court handles secure documents or documents that shouldn't be leaked. 02:21.400 --> 02:26.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And they said a lot of the policies are outdated. Should that surprise people that, 02:28.366 --> 02:31.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% in the 21st century, the Supreme Court has outdated policies on handling secure documents? 02:33.933 --> 02:38.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCIA COYLE: I'm sure would surprise many who aren't really familiar with the court itself, 02:39.433 --> 02:41.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but it doesn't surprise those who follow the court. 02:41.733 --> 02:46.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% The court as an institution is very slow to change. And I think that is largely the reason 02:49.533 --> 02:54.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% why. I mean, we're still hearing arguments over whether there should be cameras in the courtroom. 02:54.500 --> 02:59.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And it was only because of the pandemic that the court began to livestream audio of arguments. 03:01.433 --> 03:06.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So, again, it's an institution that changes incrementally. And so, no, 03:08.100 --> 03:10.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I don't think those who know the court would be that surprised. 03:10.900 --> 03:15.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOHN YANG: You know the court very well. You have watched the court and these justices. 03:18.400 --> 03:21.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The one thing that report did not talk about is the effect that the leak had on the operations 03:23.866 --> 03:28.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% of the court, of the dealings between the justices. Are you seeing any long-term 03:30.166 --> 03:34.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% effects of that in the way the court, the justices operate and deal with each other? 03:36.133 --> 03:39.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCIA COYLE: In terms of the leak, I think that it's hard to say that I see anything visibly. 03:44.200 --> 03:49.200 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% I mean, we know that, last summer, some of the justices made comments about the impact of the 03:51.166 --> 03:55.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% leak. Justice Thomas, for example, said it was the sort of thing that makes you always want 03:57.766 --> 04:01.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to look over your shoulder. Justice Alito talked about how it led to threats on justices' lives. 04:04.000 --> 04:09.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think, overall, that it definitely affected the interpersonal relationships within the court, 04:11.733 --> 04:16.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% not just among the justices and their clerks, but even the people who work there, 04:17.933 --> 04:21.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% especially after being investigated for this. 04:21.333 --> 04:26.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And that -- I think it's unfortunate, John, that the court -- that the investigation did not find 04:28.733 --> 04:32.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% someone to hold responsible for this, because it continues a shadow over the court. There were a 04:35.866 --> 04:40.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% number of people who believed first that we might never hear about the results, that the court would 04:43.366 --> 04:46.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% never do what it did today, which was issue a report, and they should get credit for doing that. 04:46.666 --> 04:51.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But, also, people felt that it might have been somebody -- it might have been a justice or the 04:56.200 --> 05:01.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% spouse of a justice who did this. And without holding someone responsible, that suspicion is 05:03.133 --> 05:08.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% going to continue. And I think as well it will continue to affect the interpersonal 05:10.566 --> 05:14.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% relationships, perhaps not as much as they were affected last term, when things were still so raw. 05:16.966 --> 05:21.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% The court gets its work done and the justices work together. But I think 05:24.333 --> 05:28.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it can't help but continue to cast a shadow over the institution, at a time when there 05:31.533 --> 05:35.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% are many shadows over many institutions in our government. And that's unfortunate. 05:35.866 --> 05:39.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOHN YANG: "NewsHour" Supreme Court analyst Marcia Coyle, thank you very much. 05:40.266 --> 05:41.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% My pleasure, John.