WEBVTT 00:01.966 --> 00:04.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally, we return to the Harvey Weinstein story and new revelations about 00:04.900 --> 00:09.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the great lengths he allegedly went to in order to quash stories, silence his accusers 00:10.766 --> 00:12.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and intimidate journalists. 00:12.833 --> 00:16.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% The latest investigation in "The New Yorker" magazine chronicles those efforts. 00:16.466 --> 00:21.466 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% It includes details of how Weinstein hired private investigative firms to collect damaging 00:23.466 --> 00:27.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% information on his accusers, including one that used former Israeli intelligence agents 00:28.466 --> 00:33.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to allegedly befriend and spy on actress Rose McGowan. 00:34.266 --> 00:35.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% McGowan has alleged that Weinstein raped her. 00:35.700 --> 00:37.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He has denied that accusation. 00:37.833 --> 00:42.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And his spokeswomen told "The New Yorker": "It is a fiction to suggest that any individuals 00:42.600 --> 00:45.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% were targeted or suppressed at any time." 00:45.566 --> 00:47.500 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% That's a quote. 00:47.500 --> 00:51.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Ronan Farrow is the journalist behind this investigation, and he joins me now. 00:51.166 --> 00:54.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Ronan Farrow, this is a stunning collection of reporting. 00:54.833 --> 00:58.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Do we know what triggered these actions on Harvey Weinstein's part? 00:58.766 --> 01:03.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RONAN FARROW, "The New Yorker": Yes, Judy, in the fall of last year, women began to speak 01:04.933 --> 01:07.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to reporters and speak publicly in some cases. 01:07.166 --> 01:12.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Most prominently, perhaps, Rose McGowan tweeted, describing, in her words, her rapist, and 01:13.566 --> 01:16.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% implying heavily that that was Harvey Weinstein. 01:16.100 --> 01:21.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% This was one of several factors that precipitated this rush to staff up with criminal defense 01:23.500 --> 01:27.400 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% attorneys and private investigation firms, and, as you just described, to engage in some 01:28.566 --> 01:30.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% pretty aggressive human intelligence tactics. 01:30.600 --> 01:35.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: So, who -- what kind of folks work at these investigative agencies? 01:35.533 --> 01:37.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% What do they do? 01:37.600 --> 01:41.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RONAN FARROW: You know, those are an array of firms, and they would say that their work 01:41.366 --> 01:46.366 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% is very legitimate and that they do all sorts of open-source research for clients and consulting 01:47.333 --> 01:49.400 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% for clients. 01:49.400 --> 01:53.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But, certainly, in some cases, for Harvey Weinstein, these firms were either, A, compiling 01:55.333 --> 01:58.766 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% information that was specifically, according to the documents that we have, designed to 01:58.766 --> 02:03.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% undermine and smear people, both women with allegations and reporters, and in other cases 02:06.200 --> 02:09.966 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% were actually engaging in hands-on human intelligence tactics, insinuating themselves into people's 02:11.033 --> 02:12.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% lives using false identities. 02:12.533 --> 02:14.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: Using false identities. 02:14.333 --> 02:17.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And, specifically, what happened with Rose McGowan, the actor? 02:17.566 --> 02:22.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RONAN FARROW: A woman calling herself Diana Filip of Reuben Capital Partners, a wealth 02:24.533 --> 02:28.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% management firm in London, reached out to McGowan through agents working with her, and 02:30.600 --> 02:33.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% over the course of several months met with her repeatedly, offering to invest in her 02:33.366 --> 02:38.366 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% company and to enlist her in a women's rights campaign, and, over the course of those meetings, 02:40.300 --> 02:44.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% recorded secretly tens of hours of audio that were then relayed back to Weinstein in the 02:45.700 --> 02:48.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% form of transcripts. 02:48.100 --> 02:52.400 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% That same Diana Filip reached out to me, actually reached out to and successfully met with another 02:55.000 --> 02:58.900 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% reporter, Ben Wallace of "New York Magazine," multiple times, posing as a woman with allegations. 02:58.900 --> 03:00.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% She used several identities. 03:00.900 --> 03:04.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And the truth of the matter, Judy, is that she was an undercover operative working for 03:04.566 --> 03:07.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% this Israeli intelligence firm Black Cube. 03:07.033 --> 03:11.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: So, using a false identity, talking to you. 03:11.833 --> 03:13.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% What kinds of questions was she asking you? 03:13.966 --> 03:18.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RONAN FARROW: Well, in my case, she reached out repeatedly, both through representatives 03:18.600 --> 03:22.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of mine and directly to me in e-mails, and I didn't respond. 03:22.333 --> 03:26.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% A representative of mine, a speaking agent that she got to, did speak to her and found 03:26.633 --> 03:31.633 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% it suspicious that she was demanding a meeting before discussing a supposed speaking engagement 03:32.833 --> 03:34.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that she wanted to approach me about. 03:34.233 --> 03:36.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so it didn't go farther than that. 03:36.300 --> 03:39.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But, as I said, you know, this was a tactic used on a number of reporters. 03:39.700 --> 03:44.700 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And, in some cases, this resulted in meetings, with this woman, using a range of identities, 03:45.433 --> 03:47.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% posing as a source. 03:47.500 --> 03:51.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: You also point out -- and you referred to this a minute ago -- that Weinstein 03:53.333 --> 03:57.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% used -- tried to use and then did use his own attorney, David Boies of the law firm 03:59.033 --> 04:00.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Boies, Schiller, Flexner. 04:00.733 --> 04:02.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Boies is of course well-known. 04:02.133 --> 04:06.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He represented Al Gore in the 2000 election. 04:06.300 --> 04:07.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% What happened there? 04:07.800 --> 04:11.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% RONAN FARROW: David Boies is someone that I know well. 04:11.466 --> 04:12.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He used to appear on my show. 04:12.933 --> 04:17.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% He's extremely well-regarded in many circles. 04:17.066 --> 04:22.066 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And he personally signed contracts directing undercover operatives for Black Cube to kill 04:24.033 --> 04:28.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% a New York Times story about the Weinstein allegations and to obtain a manuscript of 04:30.166 --> 04:34.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Rose McGowan's in-progress book, which they believed would contain rape allegations. 04:36.466 --> 04:40.733 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And they were successful in sending to Weinstein numerous transcripts describing the contents 04:41.333 --> 04:42.566 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% of that book. 04:42.566 --> 04:44.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Now, David Boies' role in this is interesting. 04:44.633 --> 04:48.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And he has defended his actions in detail in the story. 04:48.633 --> 04:49.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% We quote him at length. 04:49.666 --> 04:51.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I had many conversations with him. 04:51.933 --> 04:56.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But it certainly raises questions, because his firm was representing The New York Times 04:56.033 --> 04:57.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% while this all happened. 04:57.500 --> 04:59.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Right, which is another part of this. 04:59.566 --> 05:01.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But I was just going to read part of the statement that David Boies put out today. 05:01.933 --> 05:06.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He said: "Had I known at the time that this contract would have been used for the services 05:06.433 --> 05:11.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% that I now understand it was used for, I would never have signed it or been associated in 05:12.300 --> 05:14.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% any way with this effort." 05:14.300 --> 05:18.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% So, he's not denying that it happened, but he's saying he didn't know. 05:20.766 --> 05:24.433 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% RONAN FARROW: Look, he confirmed all of this in our conversations, which again are quoted 05:24.433 --> 05:26.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% on the record in the story. 05:26.333 --> 05:30.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% As well, you know, he also said he regretted it at the time. 05:30.400 --> 05:34.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He is now saying in a still more forceful way that he regrets it and even that he didn't 05:34.800 --> 05:38.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% understand fully what services he was contracting for. 05:38.700 --> 05:43.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But I will say, Judy, that the contract is extremely explicit, and it is one of several 05:43.366 --> 05:45.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that either he or his firm signed. 05:45.366 --> 05:49.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to ask you also about the fact that there were -- you name at least 05:49.733 --> 05:54.733 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% one journalist, a person you describe as a chef content officer at "The National Enquirer," 05:56.800 --> 05:59.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who seemed to be working -- or helping Harvey Weinstein. 05:59.866 --> 06:04.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RONAN FARROW: In that case, Dylan Howard, who is the editor in chief of "The National 06:04.766 --> 06:09.766 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% Enquirer" and works at the company that publishes "The National Enquirer," as you said, did 06:11.700 --> 06:14.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% exchange e-mails with Harvey Weinstein in which he appeared to be collaborating with 06:14.433 --> 06:19.433 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% Weinstein, generating lists of people to contact, and having several reporters working for him 06:21.300 --> 06:25.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% reach out to those women, secretly record the conversation with a woman in one case, 06:27.066 --> 06:29.900 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% and relay back to Weinstein information about those interviews. 06:29.900 --> 06:34.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Ronan Farrow, are we -- where are we in this Harvey Weinstein reporting? 06:36.833 --> 06:40.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Is it your sense, after spending a lot of time, months on this, that we now have a pretty 06:41.033 --> 06:42.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% full sense of what happened? 06:42.700 --> 06:46.866 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% RONAN FARROW: You know, Judy, I wish I could say that were the case. 06:48.866 --> 06:51.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% There is still much more to learn about the ways in which the powerful elites of this 06:53.933 --> 06:57.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% country manipulate the media and manipulate people coming forward with important allegations, 07:00.366 --> 07:05.033 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% the way in which the tools of the kinds described in this article can forestall the public dissemination 07:07.200 --> 07:11.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% of allegations and also potentially in some cases criminal proceedings about them. 07:11.566 --> 07:16.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% We are seeing that only now are law enforcement agencies really picking up the baton, where 07:17.933 --> 07:20.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it was dropped so often before in the Weinstein case. 07:20.466 --> 07:25.333 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% I think this is a much bigger issue than has even been unpacked so far, and that the reporting 07:26.533 --> 07:28.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is going to continue to go on about this. 07:28.033 --> 07:30.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, a lot of disturbing information here. 07:30.400 --> 07:33.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Ronan Farrow, writing for "The New Yorker" magazine, thank you very much. 07:33.533 --> 07:34.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% RONAN FARROW: Thank you, Judy. 07:34.533 --> 07:37.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And a postscript. 07:37.100 --> 07:40.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% In the wake of the Weinstein stories, there have been a number of other accusations of 07:40.800 --> 07:43.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% assault or harassment brought to light. 07:43.533 --> 07:48.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% At NPR, the head of news, Michael Oreskes, resigned after accusations of sexual harassment 07:49.700 --> 07:51.766 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% from a number of women. 07:51.766 --> 07:56.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% This evening, Jarl Mohn, the CEO of NPR, says that he is going on medical leave for a month. 07:58.666 --> 08:03.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Mohn cites the fact that he suffers from hypertension at a dangerous level. 08:03.433 --> 08:07.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% In a letter to staff, he apologizes, saying that he could have handled the allegations 08:07.733 --> 08:11.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% against Oreskes -- quote -- "faster and more decisively."