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Thank you.

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Good afternoon. I'm Judy
Woodruff. And welcome
to this PBS news hour

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special live coverage
of the January 6th
committee hearings held

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by the House Select
Committee that's
investigating the attack on

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the U. S. Capitol.

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Today's hearing is
expected to focus on
extremist groups involved

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in the capital riot and
the role former President
Donald Trump played

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in influencing them
are Lisa Desjardin has
confirmed that two witnesses

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will testify today.

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They are. Jason Van
Tay Tonho was a former
spokesperson for the oath

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Keepers, which is a
far right militia group
and Stephen Ayers, who

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enter the capital on
January 6th of last year.

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And pleaded guilty in
June to disorderly and
disruptive conduct in

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a restricted building.

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This is the seventh
public hearing that the
committee has held. It

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is the first hearing
since the explosive
and revealing testimony

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last month of former
White House aide Cassidy.

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Hutchinson. We're
watching the hearing room
waiting for the committee

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members to enter. We
see them coming in now.
They've generally started

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on time, so we will go to
them as soon as they do.

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We want to add that we've
been told that to committee
members, representative

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Jamie Raskin of Maryland
representative Steffi
Stephanie Murphy of

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Florida will be leading

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The questioning. Let's
go now to the committee
hearing and to chairman

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Bennie Thompson.

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The select Committee
E What January 6th
Beginning. Let's listen.

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Capital will be in order.

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Without objection. The
chair is authorized to
declare the committee

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in recess at any point.

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Pursuant to House
Deposition Authority
regulation. 10. The chair,

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announces the committee's
approval to release
the deposition material

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presented during
today's hearing.

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Good afternoon.

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When I think about
the most basic way to
explain the importance of

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elections in the United States.

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There's a phrase that
always comes to mind.

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It may sound straightforward.

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But it's meaningful. We
settle our differences
at the ballot box.

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Sometimes my choice
prevails. Sometimes
yours does, but it's that

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simple. We cast our
votes. We count the
votes if something seems

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off with the results.

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We can challenge them in court.

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And then we accept the results.

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When you're on the losing side,
That doesn't mean you have to.

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Be happy about it.

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And in the United States,
There's plenty you can do.

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And say so.

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You can protest you
can organize. You can
get ready for the next

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election. To try to make
sure your side has a
better chance the next

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time

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The people sell their
differences at the ballot box.

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But you can't turn violent.

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You can't try to achieve
your desired outcome
through force or harassment

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or intimidation.

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In a real leader who sees their
supporters going down that path.

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Approaching, That line has
a responsibility to say.

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Stop.

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We gave it our best.

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We came up short.

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We try again next time.

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Because we settle our
differences at the ballot box.

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On December 14th 2020
presidential election
was officially over.

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Electoral college
had cast his vote.

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Joe Biden was the president
elect of the United States.

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By that point, many of
Donald Trump supporters
were already convinced

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that election had been stolen.

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Because that's what Donald
Trump had been telling them.

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So what Donald Trump was
required to do in that moment.

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What would have been required of
any American leader was to say.

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We did our best and
we came up short.

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He went the opposite way.

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He seized on the anger
he had already stoked
among his most laws,

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supporters and as they
approached the land.

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He didn't wave them
off. He urged them on.

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Today.

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The committee will
explain how as a part
of his last ditch effort

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To overturn the election and
blocked the transfer of power.

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Donald Trump.

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Some of the mob to Washington, D
C and ultimately spirit that mob

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to wage of violent
attack on our democracy.

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Our colleagues, Ms
Murphy of Florida and
Mr Raskin of Maryland.

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We'll lay out this story.

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First and pleased to
recognize our distinguished
vice chair, Ms Cheney

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of Wyoming, but any opening
comments she'd care to offer

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Thank you very
much, Mr Chairman.

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Our committee did not
conduct a hearing last
week, but we did conduct

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an on the record interview
of President Trump's
former White House

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counsel, Pat Sip alone.

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If you have watched
these hearings, you've
heard us call from Mr

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Sip Aloni to come forward
to testify. He did.

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And Mr Sip alone's testimony
met our expectations.
We will save for

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our next hearing
President Trump's behavior
during the violence of

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January 6th.

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Today's hearing will take
us from December 14th
2020 when the electoral

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College met and certified
the results of the 2020
presidential election

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up through the morning
of January, 6th.

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You will see certain segments of
Patsy Polonia's testimony today.

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We will also see today how
President Trump summoned
a mob to Washington

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and how the president
stolen election lies.

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Provoked that mob to
attack the capital.

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And we will hear from a man who
was induced by President Trump's

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lies to come to Washington
and joined the mob.

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And how That decision
has changed his life.

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Today's hearing is our
seventh. We have covered
significant ground

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over the past several
weeks, and we have also
seen a change in how

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witnesses and lawyers
in the Trump orbit
approach this committee.

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Initially, their strategy
in some cases appeared
to be to deny and

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delay.

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Today, there appears to
be a general recognition
that the committee

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has established key
facts, including that
virtually everyone close

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to President Trump,
his Justice Department
officials. His White House

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advisers, his White
House counsel, his
campaign all told him the

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2020 election was not stolen.

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This appears to have
changed the strategy for
defending Donald Trump.

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Now the argument seems to be the
president Trump was manipulated

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by others outside
the administration.

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That he was persuaded to
ignore his closest advisors.

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And that he was incapable
of telling right from wrong.

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This new strategy is
to try to blame only
John Eastman or Sidney

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Powell or Congressman
Scott Perry or others,
and not President Trump.

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In this version, the
president was quote poorly
served by these outside

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advisers.

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The strategy is to blame
people. His advisers
called quote the crazies

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for what Donald Trump did.

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This, of course, is nonsense.

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President Trump is a 76 year old
man. He is not an impressionable

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child.

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Just like everyone else
in our country. He is
responsible for his

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own actions and his own choices.

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As our investigation has
shown, Donald Trump had
access to more detailed

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and specific information
showing that the
election was not actually

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stolen.

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Than almost any other
American, and he was
told this over and over

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again.

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No rational or sane man
in his position could
disregard that information

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and reached the
opposite conclusion.

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And Donald Trump cannot
escape responsibility
by being willfully

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blind.

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Nor can any argument
of any kind Excuse
President Trump's behavior

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during the violent
attack on January 6th.

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As you watch our hearing
today, I would urge
you to keep your eye

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on two specific points.

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First, you will see
evidence that Trump's
legal team led by Rudy

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Giuliani knew that they
lacked actual evidence
of widespread fraud

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sufficient to prove that the
election was actually stolen.

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They knew it.

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But they went ahead
with January 6th anyway.

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And second, consider how
millions of Americans
were persuaded to

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believe what Donald
Trump's closest advisers
in his administration

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did not.

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These Americans did
not have access to the
truth like Donald Trump

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did.

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They put their faith and
their trust in Donald
Trump. They wanted

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to believe in him. They
wanted to fight for
their country, and he

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deceived them.

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For millions of Americans
that may be painful
to accept, but it is

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true.

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Thank you, Mr
Chairman. I yield back

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Without objection. The
chair recognizes the
general woman from Florida,

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Miss Murphy and the
gentleman from Maryland,
Mr Raskin for opening

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statements.

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Thank you, Mr Chairman.
We know beyond a shadow
of a doubt that then

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President Donald Trump lost
in a free and fair election.

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And yet President.
Trump insisted that his
loss was due to fraud

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in the election process
rather than to the
Democratic will of the

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voters.

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The president continued
to make this claim,
despite being told again

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and again by the
courts by the Justice
Department by his campaign

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officials and by some
of his closest advisers
that the evidence did

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not support this assertion.

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This was the big lie and
millions of Americans
were deceived by it.

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Too many of our fellow citizens
still believe it to this day.

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It's corrosive to our country
and damaging to our democracy.

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As our committee has
shown in prior hearings
following the election,

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President Trump
relentlessly pursued
multiple interlocking lines

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of effort, all
with a single goal.

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To remain in power
despite having lost

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The lines of effort
were aimed at his loyal
vice president, Mike

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Pence at state election
and elected officials and
at the U. S. Department

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of Justice.

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The president pressured
the vice president to
obstruct the process

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to certify the election result.
He demanded that state officials

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find him enough votes
to overturn the election
outcome in that state.

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Any pressed the Department
of Justice to find
widespread evidence

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of fraud.

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When justice officials told the
president that such evidence did

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not exist, the president
urged them to simply
declare that the election

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was corrupt.

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On December 14th, the
electoral college met
to officially confirm

12:15.266 --> 12:17.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that Joe Biden would
be the next president.

12:19.600 --> 12:20.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The evidence shows
that once this occurred
President Trump and those

12:21.933 --> 12:23.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
who are willing to
aid in about him.

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Turned their attention
to the joint session
of Congress scheduled

12:28.266 --> 12:30.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
for January, 6th at which the
vice president would preside.

12:31.600 --> 12:33.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In their warped view.
This ceremonial event
was the next and perhaps

12:35.500 --> 12:38.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the last inflection
point that could be used
to reverse the outcome

12:39.600 --> 12:42.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of the election before
Mr Biden's inauguration.

12:43.666 --> 12:45.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
As President Trump put
it, the vice president
and enough members

12:47.500 --> 12:49.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
of Congress simply needed
to summon the courage
to act to help them

12:50.966 --> 12:53.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
find that courage. The
president called for backup.

12:55.866 --> 12:59.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Early in the morning
of December, 19th the
president sent out a tweet

13:00.733 --> 13:03.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
urging his followers to
travel to Washington,
D. C for January, 6th.

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Be there will be wild,
the president wrote.

13:08.566 --> 13:10.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
As my colleague, Mr
Raskin will describe in
detail. This tweet served

13:11.466 --> 13:13.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
as a call to action and in some
cases as a call to arms for many

13:15.366 --> 13:18.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of President Trump's
most loyal supporters.

13:19.700 --> 13:22.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
It's clear the president
intended. The assembled crowd on

13:23.400 --> 13:25.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
The January 6th
to serve his goal.

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And as you've already
seen, and as you will
see again today, some

13:31.366 --> 13:33.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
of those who are coming
had specific plans.

13:35.133 --> 13:36.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The president's goal
was to stay in power for
a second term despite

13:37.300 --> 13:38.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
losing the election.

13:39.866 --> 13:41.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The assembled crowd was one of
the tools to achieve that goal.

13:43.433 --> 13:45.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And in today's hearing,
we will focus on events
that took place in

13:47.300 --> 13:49.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
the final weeks leading
up to January. 6th
starting in mid December,

13:50.933 --> 13:52.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and we'll add color and context
to evidence you've already heard

13:53.066 --> 13:53.966 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
about.

13:55.166 --> 13:56.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And will also provide
additional new evidence.

13:59.000 --> 14:00.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
For example, you'll hear
about meetings in which
the president entertained

14:02.300 --> 14:03.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
extreme measures designed
to help him stay in
power, like the seizure

14:04.266 --> 14:05.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of voting machines.

14:07.866 --> 14:08.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
We will show some of
the coordination that
occurred between the White

14:10.400 --> 14:11.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
House and members of
Congress as it relates
to January, 6th and some

14:13.266 --> 14:16.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of these members of Congress
would later seek pardons.

14:18.266 --> 14:21.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
We will also examine some
of the planning for the
January 6th protests,

14:22.600 --> 14:24.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
placing special emphasis
on one rally planners
concerns about the

14:25.133 --> 14:26.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
potential violence.

14:28.766 --> 14:29.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And we will describe some
of the president's key
actions on the evening

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of January 5th in the morning of
January, 6th, including how the

14:35.100 --> 14:38.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
president, edited and
ad lib to speech that
morning at the Ellipse.

14:39.566 --> 14:41.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Directed the crowd to
march to the capital
and spoke off script in

14:42.733 --> 14:45.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
a way that further inflamed
an already angry crowd.

14:47.433 --> 14:49.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I yield to the gentleman
from Maryland, Mr
Raskin. Thank you, Miss

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Murphy. Mr Chairman,
Madam vice chair.

14:54.033 --> 14:55.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Four days after the electors met
across the country and made Joe

14:57.400 --> 15:00.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Biden the president elect Donald
Trump was still trying to find a

15:01.500 --> 15:03.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
way to hang on to
the presidency.

15:05.100 --> 15:06.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
On Friday, December
18th. His team of outside
advisers paid him a

15:07.833 --> 15:09.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
surprise visit in the
White House that would
quickly become the stuff

15:10.900 --> 15:14.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of legend. The meeting
has been called unhinged.

15:15.466 --> 15:17.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Not normal in the craziest
meeting of the Trump presidency.

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The outside lawyers who
have been involved in
dozens of failed lawsuits

15:23.300 --> 15:24.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
had lots of theories
supporting the big lie,
but no evidence to support

15:26.366 --> 15:29.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
it. As we will see,
however, they brought to
the White House, a draft

15:30.833 --> 15:33.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
executive order that they had
prepared for President Trump.

15:35.000 --> 15:36.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
To further his ends.
Specifically, they
proposed the immediate mass

15:38.233 --> 15:40.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
seizure of state election
machines by the U. S
military. The meeting

15:42.633 --> 15:45.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
ended after midnight with
apparent rejection of that idea.

15:47.666 --> 15:50.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In the wee hours of
December. 19th dissatisfied
with his options,

15:51.633 --> 15:53.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Donald Trump decided
to call for a large and
wild crowd on Wednesday.

15:54.700 --> 15:57.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
January 6th.

15:58.466 --> 16:01.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The day when Congress would meet
to certify the electoral votes.

16:02.933 --> 16:05.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Never before in American
history had a president
called for a crowd

16:06.900 --> 16:09.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
to come contest the
counting of electoral votes
by Congress or engaged

16:10.933 --> 16:13.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
in any effort designed
to influence delay or
obstruct the joint session

16:15.100 --> 16:18.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of Congress in doing its work
required by our constitution.

16:19.833 --> 16:21.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
In the Electoral Count Act.

16:23.666 --> 16:24.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
As we'll see Donald
Trump's 1 42 Am tweet
electrified in galvanized

16:27.133 --> 16:31.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
his supporters, especially
the dangerous extremists
in the oath keepers,

16:33.400 --> 16:34.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
the proud boys and
other racist and white
nationalist groups spoiling

16:35.900 --> 16:38.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
for a fight against
the government.

16:40.200 --> 16:41.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Three rings of interwoven
attack were now operating
towards January.

16:41.800 --> 16:42.566 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
6th.

16:44.133 --> 16:45.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
On the inside ring.
Trump continued trying
to work to overturn the

16:47.166 --> 16:48.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
election by getting Mike
Pence to abandon his
oath of office as vice

16:50.500 --> 16:54.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
president and assert
the unilateral power to
reject electoral votes.

16:56.266 --> 16:57.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
This would have been
a fundamental and
unprecedented breach of the

16:59.366 --> 17:01.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
constitution that would
promise Trump multiple
ways of staying in

17:01.766 --> 17:04.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
office.

17:05.933 --> 17:06.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Meanwhile, in the middle
ring, members of domestic
violent extremist

17:08.500 --> 17:09.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
groups created an
alliance both online and
in person to coordinate

17:12.666 --> 17:16.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
a massive effort to
storm invade and occupy.

17:17.233 --> 17:18.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
The capital.

17:20.233 --> 17:21.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
By placing a target on the
joint session of Congress.
Trump had mobilized

17:22.866 --> 17:25.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
these groups around a
common goal, emboldening
them, strengthening

17:26.766 --> 17:29.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
their working relationships and
helping build their numbers.

17:31.233 --> 17:33.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Finally in the outer
ring. On January, 6th
there assembled a large

17:35.000 --> 17:37.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
and angry crowd, the
political force that
Trump considered both the

17:38.600 --> 17:41.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Touchstone and the measure
of his political power.

17:42.966 --> 17:44.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Here were thousands of
enraged Trump followers
thoroughly convinced

17:46.233 --> 17:48.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
by the big lie who
traveled from across the
country to join Trump's

17:49.666 --> 17:52.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
wild rally to stop the steal.

17:54.633 --> 17:56.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
With the proper incitement
by political leaders in
the proper instigation

17:57.966 --> 18:00.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
from the extremists. Many
members of this crowd
could be led to storm

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the capital.

18:04.933 --> 18:06.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Confront the vice president and
Congress and try to overturn the

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2020 election results.

18:11.200 --> 18:13.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
All of these efforts
would converge and explode
on January, the sixth

18:15.700 --> 18:17.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Mr Chairman, as you know,
better than any other
member of this committee

18:19.133 --> 18:21.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
from the wrenching struggle
for voting rights in
your beloved Mississippi.

18:23.433 --> 18:24.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The problem of politicians
whipping up mob violence
to destroy fair

18:26.966 --> 18:31.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
elections is the oldest
domestic enemy of
constitutional democracy.

18:32.566 --> 18:34.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
In America.

18:35.866 --> 18:37.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Abraham Lincoln knew it,
too. In 18 37, a racist
mob in Alton, Illinois,

18:39.866 --> 18:42.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
broke into the offices
of an abolitionist
newspaper and killed its

18:43.600 --> 18:45.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
editor, Elijah Lovejoy.

18:47.033 --> 18:48.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Lincoln wrote his
speech in which he said

18:50.133 --> 18:53.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
That no transatlantic
military giant could
ever crush us as a nation

18:54.400 --> 18:56.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
even with all of the
fortunes in the world.

18:57.866 --> 18:59.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But if downfall ever
comes to America, he
said, we ourselves would

19:01.300 --> 19:04.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
be its author and finisher.

19:06.233 --> 19:07.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
If racist mobs are
encouraged by politicians
to rampage and terrorized,

19:09.233 --> 19:11.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Lincoln said they will
violate the rights of
other citizens and quickly

19:13.200 --> 19:18.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
destroy the bonds of
social trust necessary
for democracy to work.

19:19.966 --> 19:22.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Mobs and demagogues
will put us on a path to
political tyranny, Lykken

19:23.100 --> 19:25.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
said.

19:26.966 --> 19:28.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
As we'll see today this
very old problem has
returned with new ferocity

19:29.966 --> 19:32.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
today as a president who
lost an election deployed
a mob which included

19:34.433 --> 19:37.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
dangerous extremists.

19:39.033 --> 19:40.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
To attack the constitutional
system of election in
the peaceful transfer

19:41.866 --> 19:44.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of power. And as we'll
see the creation of
the Internet and social

19:46.700 --> 19:51.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
media has given today's
tyrants, tools of propaganda
and disinformation

19:52.533 --> 19:55.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that yesterday's despot's
could only have dreamed of.

19:56.500 --> 19:58.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I yield back to the gentle
lady from Florida, Mr Murphy.

20:00.500 --> 20:03.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Article two of the United
States Constitution
establishes the electoral

20:05.233 --> 20:07.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
College. Each state's
laws provide that
electors are to be chosen

20:08.100 --> 20:10.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
by a popular vote.

20:11.800 --> 20:13.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And on December, 14th
2020 electors met in
all 50 states and the

20:15.133 --> 20:18.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
District of Columbia
to cast their votes.

20:19.333 --> 20:22.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Joseph Biden won by a
margin of 306 to 232.

20:23.600 --> 20:26.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
The election was over.

20:27.066 --> 20:29.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Mr Biden was the
president elect.

20:31.033 --> 20:32.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Before the Electoral
college met, Donald Trump
and his allies filed

20:34.100 --> 20:35.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
dozens of legal challenges
to the election. But
they lost over and

20:37.600 --> 20:40.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
over again, including
in front of multiple
judges President Trump

20:41.366 --> 20:43.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
had nominated to the bench.

20:45.566 --> 20:46.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In many of these cases,
the judges were highly
critical of the arguments

20:48.233 --> 20:50.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
put forward, explaining
that no genuine evidence
of widespread fraud

20:51.566 --> 20:54.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
had been presented, for example,
a federal judge in Pennsylvania

20:54.666 --> 20:56.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
said.

20:57.866 --> 20:59.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
This court has been
presented with strained
legal arguments without

21:00.866 --> 21:05.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
MEREDITH merit and
speculative accusations
unsupported by evidence.

21:07.133 --> 21:09.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In the United States of
America. This cannot justify
the disenfranchisement

21:10.700 --> 21:13.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of a single voter, let
alone all the voters of
its six most populated

21:14.233 --> 21:16.500 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
state.

21:18.166 --> 21:20.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
On December 15th after
the Electoral college
certified the outcome.

21:22.133 --> 21:24.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The Republican majority
leader in the Senate,
acknowledged Mr Biden's

21:24.466 --> 21:27.000 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
victory.

21:28.166 --> 21:30.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Yesterday, electors
met in all 50 states.

21:31.400 --> 21:34.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So as of this morning,
our country has officially

21:34.833 --> 21:36.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
A president elect.

21:37.300 --> 21:39.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
And vice president elect.

21:41.000 --> 21:43.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Many millions of us had
hoped the presidential
election would yield

21:44.300 --> 21:46.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
A different result.

21:48.200 --> 21:49.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
But our system of government has
processes to determine who will

21:50.333 --> 21:52.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
be sworn in.

21:53.233 --> 21:55.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
On January, the 20th

21:55.766 --> 21:57.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
The Electoral college.

21:57.633 --> 21:59.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Has spoken.

22:01.033 --> 22:02.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So today, I want to congratulate
President elect Joe Biden.

22:05.533 --> 22:08.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Even members of President
Trump's Cabinet in
his White House staff

22:10.366 --> 22:12.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
understood the significance
of his losses in the
courts and the absence

22:12.933 --> 22:14.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of evidence of fraud.

22:16.166 --> 22:17.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
They also respected the
constitutional certification
by the Electoral

22:19.300 --> 22:20.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
College. Many of them
told President Trump that
it was time to concede

22:22.500 --> 22:25.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the election to Mr
Biden, for example, then
Secretary of Labor Jean

22:26.533 --> 22:29.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Scalia and accomplished
lawyer in the Son of
late Justice Scalia

22:30.766 --> 22:33.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
called President Trump
in mid December and
advised him to concede

22:34.600 --> 22:37.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and accept the
rulings of the courts.

22:38.766 --> 22:40.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So I had to put a call
into the president. I
might have called on

22:41.900 --> 22:43.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the 13th. We spoke. I
believe on the 14th.

22:45.200 --> 22:49.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In which, um, I conveyed to
him that I, uh, thought that

22:50.566 --> 22:52.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
It was time for him
to acknowledge that
President Biden had from

22:54.366 --> 22:57.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the ultimate election,
But I communicated
to the president that

22:58.900 --> 23:01.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I have to when that legal
process is exhausted.

23:01.633 --> 23:03.166 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
And

23:04.033 --> 23:05.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
When the electors have voted

23:07.366 --> 23:08.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That That's the point
of which that outcome
needs to be expected.

23:10.700 --> 23:12.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I told him that I did
believe, yes, that once
the those legal processes

23:13.533 --> 23:16.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
were run

23:18.200 --> 23:19.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
If fraud had not been
established, affected the
outcome of the election

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that unfortunately, I
believe that what had
to be done was conceived

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the outcome.

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As you've seen in prior
hearings, President
Trump's Justice Department,

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his White House staff in
his campaign officials
were repeatedly telling

23:34.666 --> 23:37.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
him that there was
no evidence of fraud
sufficient to change the

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outcome of the election.

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And last week we
conducted an eight hour
interview with President

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Trump's White House
counsel Pat Sip alone.

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You'll see a number of excerpts
of that interview today and even

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more in our next hearing.

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Mr Sit baloney told us
that he agreed with the
testimony that there

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was no evidence of
fraud sufficient to
overturn the election.

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I'm going to start by
asking if you agree Mr

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conclusions that Morgan's
Bill Barr, all of the
individuals who evaluate

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those claims there is
no evidence of election
fraud sufficient undermine

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the outcome.

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Yes, I agree with that.

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And Mr Sip. Aloni also
specifically testified
that he believed that

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Donald Trump should have
conceded the election.

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Did you believe? And Mr
Siblani? The president
should concede once

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you made the determination
based on you investigations
that you credited

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the RJ didn't

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You and your mind
form a belief that the
president should concede

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the election loss.

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At a certain point
after the election.

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Well again, Uh, I was
the White House counsel.

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Some of those decisions are
political. So to the extent that

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But if your question is
that I believe he should
can see the election.

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At a point in time. Yes,
I did. I believe, um

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Leader McConnell and onto
the floor of the Senate.
I believe in December

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and basically said,
you know, process Yeah,
that would be in line

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with

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I think it's one
of these things.

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As Attorney general
Bill Barr testified
December 14th should have

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been the end of the matter.

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December. 14th was
the day that the state
certified their votes and

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sent him to Congress.
And in my view, that was
the end of the matter.

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I didn't say

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You know, I thought that

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Uh, this would lead inexorably
to a new administration.

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Mr Sip. Aloni also
testified that the
president's chief of staff,

25:49.733 --> 25:52.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Mark Meadows, said
he shared this view.

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As early as that
November 23rd meeting.
We understand that there

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was discussion about
the president, possibly
conceding the election.

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And specifically, we
understand that Mark
Meadows assure both you

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and General Bar that the
president would eventually
agreed to a graceful

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exit.

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Do you remember Mr
Meadows Making any such
representation? Are you

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saying is part of that
meeting or separately
again without without

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getting into that meeting?
I would say that that
is a That is a statement

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and a sentiment
that I heard from

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Mark. I see and again
do you know if it was
on November 23rd or some

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point again? I It was probably

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Around that time, and it
was probably subsequently
that time it wasn't

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one time.

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State.

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Mr Meadows has refused
to testify in the
committee is in litigation

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with him.

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About many other White
House officials shared
the view that once

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the litigation ended in
the Electoral college,
met the election was

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over, and here is President
Trump's former press secretary.

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I wanted to clarify, Uh,
ms Mcenany. So back to
my previous question.

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It was your view, then.
Or was it your view that
the efforts to overturn

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the election should
have stopped once the
litigation was complete?

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In my view upon the
conclusion of litigation
was when I began to

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plan for life after
the administration.

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And this is what
Ivanka Trump taught us.

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December, 14th was
the day on which the
Electoral College met when

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these electors around
the country met and
cast the electoral votes

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consistent with the popular
vote in each state, and
and it was obviously

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a public proceeding or
a series of proceedings.

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That the president Biden
had obtained the requisite
number of electors

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was that an important day
for you did that affect
sort of your planning

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or your realization
as to whether or not
there was going to be an

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end of this administration?

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I think so. I think it was my

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My sentiment, probably
prior as well.

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Judd Deere was a White House
deputy press secretary.

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This was his testimony about
what he told President Trump.

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I told him that my
personal viewpoint was
that the Electoral college

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had met, which is the

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Uh

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Hmm.

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System that our country
is is said under to
elect a president and

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vice president, and I
believed that point that the

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Mainz for him to pursue.

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Litigation. Um

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Was probably closed.

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And you recall what his
response, if any, was

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He disagreed.

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We have also seen this
testimony from Attorney
General Barr reflecting

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a view of the White House
staff in late November. 2020.

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And then at that point
I left and as I walked
out of the Oval Office,

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Jared was there with
Dan Scavino, who ran his

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Ran the president's
social media and who I
thought was a reasonable

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guy and believe is
a reasonable guy.

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And I said, How long
is How long is he gonna

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Carry on with this
stolen election stuff.
Where is this going to

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go? And by that time Meadows
had caught up with me.

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And leaving the office
and caught up to me
and and said, uh, that,

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um Ah.

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He said. Look, I I think

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that he's becoming more
realistic and knows
that there's a limit

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to how far he can take this. And
then Jared said, you know, Yeah,

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we're working on this.
We're working on it.

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Likewise, in this testimony,
Cassidy Hutchinson and
aid to Mark Meadows

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described her conversations
with President Trump's
director of National

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intelligence. John Wreck left a
former Republican congressman.

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Had expressed me that
he was concerned that
it could spiral out of

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control.

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And

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Potentially

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Be dangerous.

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Either.

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For our democracy or

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Way that things were
going for the sex.

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Of course, Underlying.
All of this is the
fundamental principle that

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the president of the
United States cannot simply
disregard the rulings

30:35.933 --> 30:38.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
of state and federal
courts, which are empowered
to address specific

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election related claims.

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The president cannot
simply pretend that the
courts had not ruled.

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By that time, uh,
the president whereas
associates had brought had

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lost 60 out of 61 cases,
uh, that they had brought
to challenge different

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aspects of

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Uh, the election in a
number of states. They
lost 60 out of 61 of

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those cases. Um, so
by the time we get to
January 3rd that that's

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that's been clear.

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Um

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I assume Pat that you would
agree the president is is, uh,

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Obligated to abide by
the rulings of the court.

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Course.

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And I assume you also everybody.
Everybody is obligated by

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And I assume you
also would agree. The
president has a particular

31:36.533 --> 31:39.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
obligation to take care that
the laws be faithfully executed.

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That is one of the president's
obligations. Correct.

31:45.966 --> 31:48.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Yet President Trump
disregarded these court
rulings and the council

31:50.233 --> 31:53.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
from his closest advisors
and continued his efforts
to cling to power.

31:55.133 --> 31:56.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In our prior hearings, you
have heard considerable
testimony about

31:58.766 --> 31:59.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
President Trump's attempts
to corruptly pressure
vice president Pence

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to refuse to count
electoral electoral votes
to corrupt the Department

32:03.800 --> 32:05.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
of Justice.

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To pressure state officials
in state legislatures
and to create and

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submit a series of fake
electoral slates. Now
we will show you what

32:13.233 --> 32:17.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
other actions President
Trump was taking between
December 14th 2020

32:18.033 --> 32:18.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
in January. 6th.

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I yield to the gentleman
from Maryland, Mr
Raskin. Thank you, Miss

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Murphy.

32:25.400 --> 32:26.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Throughout our hearings,
you've heard how President
Trump made baseless

32:28.266 --> 32:29.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
claims that voting machines
were being manipulated
by foreign powers

32:30.533 --> 32:33.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
in the 2020 election.

32:34.733 --> 32:36.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You've also heard.
Trump's attorney General
Bill Barr, describe such

32:38.000 --> 32:39.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
claims as complete
nonsense, which he told the
president. Let's review

32:40.800 --> 32:43.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
that testimony.

32:45.666 --> 32:47.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I saw absolutely zero
basis for the allegations,
but they were made

32:48.700 --> 32:51.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in such a sensational
way that they obviously
were influencing a

32:53.233 --> 32:58.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
lot of people. Members
of the public that
there was this systemic.

32:59.733 --> 33:01.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Corruption in the system
and that their votes
didn't count in that

33:03.733 --> 33:04.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
these machines controlled
by somebody else were
actually determining

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it, which was complete nonsense,
and it was being laid out there,

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and I told him
that it was it was

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Crazy stuff and they
were wasting their time
on that and I was doing

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great grave disservice
to the country.

33:22.733 --> 33:24.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
We've learned that
President Trump's White
House counsel agreed with

33:25.566 --> 33:28.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the Department of
Justice about this

33:30.266 --> 33:31.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Attorney General. Barr
made a public announcement
on December 1st

33:32.666 --> 33:34.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
less than a month

33:35.933 --> 33:37.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that he had seen no
Suspend fraud Special fund.

33:39.366 --> 33:41.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Fair to say that by December 1st
you had reached the significant.

33:43.166 --> 33:44.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
It's fair to say that I agreed
with the attorney general's

33:45.533 --> 33:48.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
in on December 1st.

33:49.266 --> 33:51.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Um yes, I did.
And I supported by

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However, the strong
rejection of the attorney
general in the White

33:57.733 --> 33:59.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
House counsel these
claims did not stop the
president from trying

34:01.433 --> 34:02.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to press them in public.
But that's not all
they did. Indeed, as

34:04.433 --> 34:06.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
you'll see in this clip,
the president asked
Attorney General Bill

34:06.700 --> 34:07.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Barr.

34:08.633 --> 34:11.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
To have the Department
of Justice sees voting
machines in the states.

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My collection is the president
said something like, uh,

34:17.400 --> 34:19.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Well, we could get to
the bottom. Some people
say we could get to

34:20.733 --> 34:22.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the bottom of this. If
if the department sees
the machines, there

34:23.566 --> 34:27.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
was a typical well,
raising a point.

34:28.633 --> 34:30.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And I said, Absolutely
not. There's no probable
cause, and I'm not

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going to seize any machines.

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And that was that. Yeah.

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But this wasn't the end
of the matter. On the
evening of December,

34:43.033 --> 34:44.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
18th 2020, Sidney Powell,
General Michael Flynn
and others entered

34:45.733 --> 34:48.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the White House for an unplanned
meeting with the president.

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The meeting that would
last multiple hours
and become hot blooded

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and contentious.

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Executive order behind
me on the screen was
drafted on December the

34:59.833 --> 35:02.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
16th just two days after
the electoral college
vote by several of

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the president's
outside advisers.

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Over a luncheon at the
Trump International Hotel.

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As you can see here.
This proposed order
directs the secretary of

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defense to seize voting machines
quote effective immediately, but

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it goes even further than that.

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Under the order President
Trump would appoint

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A special counsel with
the power to seize
machines and then charge

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people with crimes with
all resources necessary
to carry out her

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duties.

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The specific plan was
to name Sidney Powell
Especial Council, the

35:41.933 --> 35:44.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump lawyer who had
spent the post election
period making outlandish

35:46.466 --> 35:49.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
claims about Venezuelan
in Chinese interference
in the election.

35:51.466 --> 35:53.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Among others. Here's
what White House counsel
Pat sit baloney had

35:55.100 --> 35:57.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
to say about Sidney
Powell's qualifications
to take on such expansive

35:58.733 --> 36:01.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
authority.

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I don't think Sidney Sidney
Powell would say that.

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I thought it was a good
idea. Point first special
counsel I was being

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a

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didn't think she should
be appointed to anything.

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Sydney, Powell told the
president that these
steps were justified

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because of her evidence
of foreign interference
in the 2020 election.

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However, as we've seen,
Trump's allies had no
such evidence, and,

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of course, no legal
authority for the federal
government to seize

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state voting machines.

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Here's Mr Sip Aloni
again, denouncing Sidney
Powell's terrible idea.

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There was a real question
in my mind and a real
concern, you know,

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particularly after the
attorney general has
reached a conclusion.

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That there wasn't
sufficient election frog
to change the outcome

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of the election.

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When other people
can't suggesting that

36:56.866 --> 36:59.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
There was the answer
is what is it?

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And at some point you
have to put up or shut up.

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That was my view. Why
was this broader scale
a bad idea for country.

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Attend the federal
government season voting
machines. It's a terrible

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idea.

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That's not how we do
things in the United
States. There's no people

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authority to do that.

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And

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There is a way to
contest elections.

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Happens all the time.

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But the idea that the federal
government to come in and

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Sees election machines Now that

37:41.866 --> 37:43.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That's I don't I don't
understand why we tell
you why that's about

37:44.966 --> 37:47.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
reviews Country It's
a terrible idea.

37:49.333 --> 37:51.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
For all of its absurdity.
The December 18th
meeting was critically

37:53.200 --> 37:55.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
important because
President Trump got to
watch up close for several

37:56.800 --> 38:01.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
hours as his White House
counsel and other White
House lawyers destroyed

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the baseless factual claims
and ridiculous legal arguments.

38:07.333 --> 38:09.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Being offered by Sidney Powell,
Mike Flynn and others. President

38:10.566 --> 38:13.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Trump now knew all these claims
were nonsense, not just from his

38:15.200 --> 38:18.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
able White House lawyers
but also from his own
Department of Justice

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officials.

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And indeed his own
campaign officials as
White House counsel Pat

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Sip alone and told us

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With respect to the whole
election fraud issue.

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That to me is sort of
if you're going to make
those kind of planes.

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And people were open to
them early on, because
people were making

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muscles of claims, and
the real question is

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Show me adverts.

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Okay?

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Wasn't just the Justice
Department, the Trump
campaign in the Trump

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White House lawyers
who knew it. Even Rudy
Giuliani's own legal team

38:51.000 --> 38:54.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
admitted that they did
not have any real evidence
of fraud sufficient

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to change the election result.

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Here's an email from

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Rudy Giuliani's lead
investigator, Bernie
Kerik. On December 28th

39:05.033 --> 39:10.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
2022, chief of staff,
Mark Meadows. Mr Kerik
did not mince any words.

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We can do all the
investigations we want later.

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But if the president
plans on winning, it's
the legislators that

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have to be moved. And
this will do just that.

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Eric wanted the president
to win. What he didn't
say in this email

39:24.200 --> 39:25.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
was what he would
later tell the Select
Committee in a letter that

39:26.900 --> 39:28.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
his lawyer wrote
to us in November.

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The letter said, quote.

39:33.633 --> 39:35.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
It was impossible for
Mr Kerik and his team to
determine conclusively

39:36.833 --> 39:39.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
whether there was
widespread fraud or whether
that widespread fraud

39:41.033 --> 39:42.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
would have altered the
outcome of the election.
In other words, even

39:44.133 --> 39:46.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Rudy Giuliani's on legal
team knew before January
6th that they hadn't

39:48.033 --> 39:50.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
collected.

39:51.700 --> 39:53.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Enough factual evidence
to support any of their
stolen election claims.

39:55.000 --> 39:59.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Here's what Trump campaign
senior advisor Jason
Miller told the committee

40:00.566 --> 40:02.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
about some of the so
called evidence of fraud.

40:03.633 --> 40:05.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That the campaign had seen
from the Giuliani team.

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So do you know what the
examples of fraud numbers,
names and supporting

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evidence was that

40:15.133 --> 40:16.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
You sent two more
Brooks's office. And when
I say you, I mean, you

40:17.033 --> 40:19.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
are the campaign.

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There's some

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Very, very general.

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Ah, documents as far as
um uh as far as say, for

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example, here, the
handful of dead people in
several different states.

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Ah, Here are explanations
on a couple of the
legal challenges as

40:42.100 --> 40:45.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
far as the saying that the,
um the rules were changed
in an unconstitutional

40:47.033 --> 40:51.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
manner. But it was to say
that it was in, uh, is
probably an understatement.

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Yourself. President
Trump's deputy campaign
manager, described the

40:59.000 --> 41:00.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
evidence of fraud that
the campaign had seen.

41:02.300 --> 41:04.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You never came to learn
or understand that
marriage Giuliani had

41:07.700 --> 41:12.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
had produced evidence
of election frauds
that fair, That's fair.

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And here's testimony
that we received from the
speaker of the Arizona

41:19.300 --> 41:20.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
House of Representatives, Rusty
Bowers about an exchange that he

41:22.000 --> 41:24.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
had with Rudy Giuliani
after the election.

41:25.933 --> 41:29.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
At some point did one of
them make a comment that

41:31.466 --> 41:33.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
They didn't have evidence,
but they had a lot
of theories. That was

41:34.133 --> 41:36.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Mr Giuliani.

41:38.133 --> 41:40.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Chief of staff, Mark
Meadows told people that
he thought Trump should

41:42.366 --> 41:46.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
concede around the time
the electoral college
certified the result,

41:47.700 --> 41:50.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
but nonetheless, he later
worked to try to facilitate

41:50.933 --> 41:52.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
President Trump's wishes.

41:53.800 --> 41:55.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Here's what Cassidy
Hutchinson told us.

41:56.333 --> 41:59.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
During this period.

41:59.766 --> 42:02.300 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
He, um

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I perceived his goal
with all of this.

42:06.233 --> 42:07.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
To keep Trump in office.

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Um

42:10.266 --> 42:11.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
You know he had

42:12.233 --> 42:14.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Very seriously and
deeply considered.

42:15.733 --> 42:18.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
The allegations of voter fraud.

42:20.633 --> 42:22.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
But when he began
acknowledging that maybe
there wasn't enough voter

42:22.833 --> 42:23.400 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
fraud.

42:24.533 --> 42:26.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
To overturn the
election, you know?

42:27.000 --> 42:29.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Witnessed him.

42:30.900 --> 42:34.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Start to explore potential
constitutional loopholes.

42:34.866 --> 42:36.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
More extensively.

42:37.700 --> 42:39.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Which I connected with
John Eastman's theories.

42:42.066 --> 42:45.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The startling conclusion
is this. Even an agreed
upon complete lack

42:48.133 --> 42:51.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of evidence could not
stop President Trump
Mark Meadows and their

42:52.033 --> 42:54.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
allies from trying to overturn

42:56.000 --> 42:57.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The results of a free
and fair election. So
let's return to that

42:59.000 --> 43:01.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
meeting at the White
House on the evening of
December 18 that night,

43:02.966 --> 43:04.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
a group showed up at the White
House, including Sidney Powell.

43:06.166 --> 43:07.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Retired Lieutenant
General Michael Flynn
and former Overstock dot

43:08.500 --> 43:11.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
com CEO Patrick Byrne.

43:13.066 --> 43:14.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
After gaining access to
the building from a junior
White House staffer.

43:15.733 --> 43:17.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The group made their
way to the Oval Office,
They were able to speak

43:19.266 --> 43:20.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
with the president by
himself for some time
until White House officials

43:21.700 --> 43:23.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
learned of the meeting.

43:24.766 --> 43:26.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What ensued was a
heated and profane clash
between this group and

43:28.566 --> 43:32.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
President Trump's White
House advisers who
traded personal insults,

43:33.833 --> 43:35.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
accusations of disloyalty to the
president and even challenges to

43:36.366 --> 43:39.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
physically fight.

43:40.900 --> 43:42.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The meeting would
last over six hours,
beginning here in the Oval

43:43.766 --> 43:46.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Office, moving around
the West wing in many
hours later ending up

43:47.933 --> 43:50.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
in the president's
private residence.

43:52.500 --> 43:53.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The select Committee
has spoken with six of
the participants as well

43:55.600 --> 43:57.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
as staffers who could
hear the screaming from
outside the Oval Office.

43:59.366 --> 44:02.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
What took place next is best
told in their own words.

44:03.300 --> 44:05.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
As you will see from this video.

44:07.366 --> 44:08.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Do you believe that it
was going to work that
you're gonna be able

44:10.033 --> 44:11.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to get to see the president
without an appointment?

44:12.366 --> 44:14.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I didn't know idea.

44:15.966 --> 44:17.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In fact, he did get
to see the president
without an appointment.

44:18.933 --> 44:20.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We did. How much time
did you have along with
the president and I

44:21.900 --> 44:23.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
say alone, you had other
people with you, but
right from his aides

44:24.666 --> 44:27.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
before the crowd came running.

44:28.266 --> 44:30.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Probably no more than
10 or 15 minutes.

44:32.000 --> 44:34.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Was in that that that
simple only said a new
land speed record. I

44:35.800 --> 44:38.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
got to install.

44:39.533 --> 44:40.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Either from Mali.

44:42.866 --> 44:43.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Harris fortunate, but
I need to get to know
block. This was the first

44:44.800 --> 44:47.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
point that I had recognized.

44:48.566 --> 44:50.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Okay, There was nobody
in there from the White
House. Mark's gone.

44:51.700 --> 44:54.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What's going on right
now in the door and I
walked in. I saw general

44:57.566 --> 45:00.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
plan. I saw Sidney
Powell sitting there.

45:02.066 --> 45:05.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I was not happy to see the
people in the Oval Office Black

45:06.733 --> 45:09.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Yeah, I don't think
they would providing

45:10.066 --> 45:11.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Well, first of all.

45:12.300 --> 45:14.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Overstocked person
I've never never

45:15.766 --> 45:17.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
was Actually the first
thing I did. I walked
in. I looked at him

45:18.333 --> 45:20.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and I said, Who are you?

45:21.600 --> 45:23.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And he told me I don't
think I don't think any
of these people were

45:24.233 --> 45:27.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
providing the president
with good advice.

45:27.700 --> 45:30.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Yeah.

45:31.633 --> 45:33.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
So I didn't understand
how they had gotten in.

45:35.100 --> 45:37.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In the short period of
time that you had with
the president. He seemed

45:38.366 --> 45:41.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
receptive to the presentation
that you were making.

45:42.600 --> 45:46.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He was very interested
in hearing particularly
about the finding

45:48.400 --> 45:51.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and the terms of 1384
a that apparently,
nobody else has bothered

45:54.433 --> 45:57.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to inform him of

45:59.366 --> 46:01.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I was asking you to
claim the Democrats were
working with Hugo Chavez,

46:03.066 --> 46:06.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
please Venezuelans and
whoever else and at one point

46:08.033 --> 46:13.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
General Flynn took out a
diagram that supposedly showed

46:14.033 --> 46:17.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I was all over the world.

46:18.633 --> 46:20.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And I speak who was who
was communicating with
whom? Via the machines

46:21.700 --> 46:24.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and some comment about
like nest thermostats
being hooked up to the

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Internet.

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So it's been reported
that during this meeting
with Powell talked

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about Dominion voting
machines and made various
election fraud claims

46:32.900 --> 46:34.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
that involve foreign
countries such as
Venezuela, Iran and China.

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Is that accurate.

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That's fair.

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Was the meeting tense.

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Oh, yeah. Uh,

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It was not a casual meeting.

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Explain.

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I mean, at times there were
people shouting at each other.

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Hurling insults at each other.

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Um

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It wasn't just sort of
people sitting around
on the couch like chit

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chatting. You recall
whether he raised to
Miss Powell the fact that

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she and the campaign had
lost all of the 16 cases
that they had brought

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in litigation.

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Yes, he raised that

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response.

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Which is

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I don't think it was a
good response. Hirschmann
and, um, whoever

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the other guy was showed
nothing but contempt.
And this Dane of the

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president

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The three of them were
really sort of forcefully.

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Attacking

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Me that thoroughly. Um

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Direct Eric and we were
pushing back and grasping
one simple question.

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As a as a general matter.

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Where is the evidence?

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So what response did you
get? When you ask this
panel and her colleagues

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where

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is based on my
current recollection,
including, you know

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Can't believe you would
say something like you
know things like this.

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Like, what do you mean?
Where is the evidence?
You should know. You

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know things like that, or

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Example.

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I disregard. I would
say, general disregard
for the importance of

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actually backing up,
say with facts, and,
you know, then there was

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discussion of. Well,
you know, we don't have
it now, but we'll have

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it or whatever.

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I mean, if if it had
been me sitting in his
chair of fired all of

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them that night and had
escorted out of the building

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both challenge what
she was saying.

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And

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She says. Well, the
judges are corrupt and
that was like everyone.

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Every single case that
you've done in the
country. You guys lost.

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Every one of them is corrupt.
Even the ones we appointed.

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And what's

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Being nice. That was
much more harsh to her.
One of the other things

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that's been reported
that was said during this
meeting was that President

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Trump told White House
lawyers, Mr Hirschmann
and Mr Sip Aloni that

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They weren't offering
him any solutions. But
Miss Powell and others

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were so why not try what
Ms Powell and others
were proposing? Do

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you remember anything
along those lines being
said by President Trump.

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They do. That sounds
right. I think that it
got to the point where

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the screaming was

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Completely.

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Completely out there.
When you get people
walk in, it was late at

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night had been a long day
and what they were proposing.

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I thought was nuts.

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I'm getting. I'm getting
categorically describe it as

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You guys are not tough enough.

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Or maybe put it another way.
You're a bunch of pussy's

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Excuse the expression,
but that that's why

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Almost certain the
word with used Flint
screamed at me that I was

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a quitter and everything
gets standing up and
turning around screaming

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at me.

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In a certain point,
I had it with him.

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So

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Yell back.

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Better come over.

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Sit your F in as back
down, the president and
the White House team

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went up stairs.

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To the residents.

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But to the, uh

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Public part of the
residents. You know, the
big the big baller where

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you can have meetings
in the conference room
over the Yellow oval?

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Yes, exactly the
yellow over office.

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I always called it The upper

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Um

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And I'm not exactly sure
where the Sydney Group
went. I think maybe

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the Roosevelt Room.

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And I stayed in the
Cabinet room, which is
kind of cool. I really

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like that

50:44.500 --> 50:45.100 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
myself.

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At the end of the day, we landed
where we started the meeting, at

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least from a structural
standpoint, which was

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Sydney Powell was
fighting Mike Flynn was
fighting they were looking

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for avenues that would

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Enable

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That would result in

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President Trump remaining

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President Trump
for a second term.

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The meeting finally
ended after midnight.

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Here or text messages
sent by Cassidy Hutchinson
during and after

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the meeting.

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Is you can see.

51:29.000 --> 51:31.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Miss Hutchinson reported
that the meeting in the
West Wing was unhinged.

51:34.033 --> 51:37.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The meeting finally
broke up after midnight
during the early morning

51:38.366 --> 51:42.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of December. 19 Cassidy
Hutchinson captured the moment.

51:44.233 --> 51:46.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Of Mark Meadows, escorting
Rudy Giuliani off the
White House grounds

51:47.733 --> 51:50.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to quote make sure he didn't
wander back into the mansion.

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Certain accounts of this
meeting indicate that
President Trump actually

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granted Ms Palace security
clearance and appointed
her to a somewhat

51:59.466 --> 52:02.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
ill defined position
of special counsel.

52:05.100 --> 52:08.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He asked Pat the Bologna. He had
the authority to name me special

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counsel and he said yes.

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And then he asked him
if he had the authority
to give me whatever

52:16.733 --> 52:19.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
security clearance
and needed and that's
simple and he said yes.

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And then the president
said, Okay, you know,
I'm naming her of that.

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And I'm giving her
security clearance. And
then shortly before we

52:28.466 --> 52:30.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
left and totally blew
up this one simple Ania
and or Hirschmann and

52:32.300 --> 52:35.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
whoever the other young man was

52:36.766 --> 52:38.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Said. You can name her whatever
you want to name her, and no one

52:39.466 --> 52:42.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
is going to pay any
attention to it.

52:43.766 --> 52:45.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
How did he respond to the
president? Respond to that?

52:47.000 --> 52:48.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Uh, something like you
see what I deal with.
I deal with this all

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the time.

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Over the ensuing days,
No further steps were
taken to a point Sydney

52:56.366 --> 52:58.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
power, But there is some
ambiguity about what
the president actually

53:00.200 --> 53:02.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
said and did during the
meeting. Here is how
Patsy Bologna described

53:02.566 --> 53:05.200 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
it.

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I don't know what
her understanding of

53:09.800 --> 53:11.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Whether she had been
appointed what she had
been appointed to. Okay.

53:13.300 --> 53:15.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In my view, she had
been appointed anything
and ultimately wasn't

53:17.633 --> 53:20.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
reported anything because there
had to be other steps taken.

53:22.266 --> 53:23.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That was my view. When
I left the meeting that
she may have a different

53:25.366 --> 53:26.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
view and others we have
a different view and
the president any steps

53:28.100 --> 53:30.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
taken, including the
president himself.

53:31.566 --> 53:32.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Telling her she's been appointed

53:34.166 --> 53:35.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
again. I'm not gonna get
into what the president
said in meeting.

53:37.066 --> 53:41.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, my recollection
is you're not appointed even

53:43.100 --> 53:44.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Appointed to until
steps are taken the
paperwork done and when I

53:46.700 --> 53:49.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
left the meeting, okay?

53:50.900 --> 53:53.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I guess I guess what
I'm trying to say is

53:54.666 --> 53:57.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I'm not gonna get into
what the president said.

53:57.966 --> 54:00.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
One Mr Sibling

54:02.833 --> 54:05.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
when, um the matter
continue to clear up over
the next several days.

54:07.766 --> 54:09.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Was it your understanding
that Sidney Powell
was still seeking an

54:11.466 --> 54:13.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
appointment for that
she was asserting that
she had been appointed.

54:15.066 --> 54:17.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
By the president,
December 18 minutes.

54:20.033 --> 54:23.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, now that you
mentioned it, probably both.

54:24.666 --> 54:26.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You know, in terms of
like, I think she was.
I think she may have

54:28.300 --> 54:31.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
been of the view that she had
pointed and was seeking to

54:32.933 --> 54:35.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Get that done

54:36.166 --> 54:37.900 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
and

54:38.766 --> 54:40.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
In in that she should be.

54:42.466 --> 54:44.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
As you listen to these
clips. Remember that
Miss Powell, The person

54:46.600 --> 54:47.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
who President Trump
tried to make special
counsel was ordinarily

54:49.533 --> 54:53.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
sanctioned by a federal
court and sued by
Dominion voting systems.

54:53.700 --> 54:56.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
For defamation.

54:57.900 --> 55:00.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In her own defense To
that lawsuit, Sidney
Powell argued that quote

55:02.466 --> 55:04.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
no reasonable person
would conclude that the
statements were truly

55:05.466 --> 55:08.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
statements of fact.

55:10.433 --> 55:11.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Not long after Sidney
Powell, General Flynn and
Rudy Giuliani, Giuliani

55:13.100 --> 55:15.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
left the White House
in the early hours of
the morning, President

55:17.100 --> 55:18.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Trump turned away
from both his outside
advisers, most outlandish

55:19.000 --> 55:20.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and unworkable schemes.

55:22.733 --> 55:23.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And his White House
counsel's advice to
swallow hard and accept the

55:24.800 --> 55:26.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
reality of his loss instead.

55:28.733 --> 55:29.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Donald Trump issued a
tweet that would galvanizes
followers unleash

55:31.900 --> 55:35.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
a political firestorm
and change the course of
our history as a country.

55:38.500 --> 55:41.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Trump's purpose was to mobilize
a crowd. And how do you mobilize

55:42.133 --> 55:45.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
a crowd in 2020?

55:47.000 --> 55:48.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
With millions of followers
on Twitter. President
Trump knew exactly

55:49.766 --> 55:51.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
how to do it at 1 42
am on December 1920 20
Shortly after the last

55:54.800 --> 55:58.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
participants left the
unhinged meeting Trump
sent out the tweet.

55:59.633 --> 56:02.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
With his explosive invitation.

56:03.866 --> 56:05.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump repeated his big
lie and claimed it was
quote statistically

56:07.300 --> 56:09.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
impossible to have
lost the 2020 election
before calling for a big

56:13.033 --> 56:16.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
protest in DC on January 6th.

56:17.200 --> 56:19.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Be there will be wild.

56:20.933 --> 56:23.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Trump supporters
responded immediately.

56:25.266 --> 56:28.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Women for America First
pro Trump organizing
Group had previously

56:29.800 --> 56:31.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
applied for rally permit
for January 22nd and
23rd in Washington,

56:33.100 --> 56:37.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
D. C several days after Joe
Biden was to be inaugurated.

56:39.200 --> 56:41.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But in the hours after
the tweet, they moved
their permit to January

56:43.033 --> 56:47.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
6th two weeks before
this rescheduling created
the rally where Trump

56:48.466 --> 56:51.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Would eventually speak.

56:52.066 --> 56:53.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
The next day.

56:55.133 --> 56:56.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Olly Alexander, leader
of the Stop the Steal
Organization in the

56:58.333 --> 57:00.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
key, Mobilize er of Trump
supporters registered
wild protest dot

57:01.400 --> 57:04.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
com, named after Trump's tweet

57:06.300 --> 57:07.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Wild protest dot com
provided comprehensive
information about numerous

57:09.133 --> 57:12.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
newly organized protest
events in Washington.
It included event times,

57:13.833 --> 57:15.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
places, speakers in details.

57:17.800 --> 57:18.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
On transportation in
Washington, DC, Meanwhile,
other key trump supporters,

57:20.633 --> 57:23.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
including far right
media personalities,
began promoting the wild

57:25.166 --> 57:28.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
protest on January 6th.

57:29.366 --> 57:32.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
It's Saturday, December
19th. The year is 2020.

57:34.400 --> 57:36.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And one of the most
historic events in
American history has just

57:36.733 --> 57:39.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
taken place.

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President Trump in the
early morning hours today.

57:43.666 --> 57:45.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Tweeted that he wants
the American people
to March on Washington

57:47.400 --> 57:52.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
D. C on January 6th
2021 Now Donald Trump.

57:53.966 --> 57:56.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Is calling on his
supporters to descend on
Washington, D C January

57:57.533 --> 58:00.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
6th. He is now

58:02.166 --> 58:03.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Calling on we the people
to take action and to
show our numbers were

58:05.300 --> 58:10.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
going to only be saved
by millions of Americans
moving to Washington.

58:11.866 --> 58:14.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Occupying the entire
area, if if necessary,
storming right into the

58:16.666 --> 58:18.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
capital.

58:20.566 --> 58:21.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
No there. We know the
rules of engagement. If
you have enough people,

58:24.266 --> 58:27.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
you can push down any
kind of a fence or a wall.
This could be Trump's

58:28.166 --> 58:30.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
last stand.

58:32.066 --> 58:33.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And it's a time when
he has specifically
called on his supporters

58:35.100 --> 58:37.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to arrive in DC That's
something that may
actually be the big push

58:38.966 --> 58:41.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Trump supporters need
to say this is it?

58:43.933 --> 58:44.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
It's now or never better
understand something,
son. You better understand

58:46.866 --> 58:50.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
something. Red Wave
bitch. Red white. There's
gonna be a red wedding

58:51.600 --> 58:55.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
going down January 6th
On that day, Trump says,
show up for a protest.

58:55.966 --> 58:57.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
It's gonna be wild.

58:58.700 --> 59:00.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And based on what we've already
seen from the previous events, I

59:02.133 --> 59:03.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
think Trump is absolutely
correct, Motherfucker.
You better look

59:04.800 --> 59:06.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
outside. You better
look at the January 6th
kick that fucking door

59:07.833 --> 59:10.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
open! Look down the
street. There's gonna
be a million plus geeked

59:12.333 --> 59:14.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
up or the Americans.
Time for games is over.
The time for action

59:16.200 --> 59:18.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
is now

59:19.666 --> 59:21.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Where were you? When
history called? Where
were you when you and

59:22.466 --> 59:24.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
your Children's destiny
and future was on the line.

59:27.900 --> 59:30.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In that clip you heard
one of Trump's supporters
predict a red wedding,

59:32.366 --> 59:34.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
which is a pop culture reference
to mass slaughter. But the point

59:36.033 --> 59:37.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
is that Trump's call to
Washington reverberated
powerfully and pervasively

59:39.000 --> 59:41.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
online.

59:43.333 --> 59:44.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The committee has
interviewed a former Twitter
employee who explained

59:46.100 --> 59:48.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to the effect that
Trump had on the Twitter
platform. This employee

59:50.733 --> 59:53.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
was on the team responsible
for platform and content
moderation policies

59:54.300 --> 59:56.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
on Twitter throughout 2020.

59:58.266 --> 01:00:01.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In 2021. The employee testified
that Twitter considered adopting

01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:04.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
a stricter content
moderation policy after
President Trump told the

01:00:06.200 --> 01:00:09.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
proud boys to stand back
and stand by from the
lectern at the September

01:00:10.066 --> 01:00:12.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
29th presidential debate.

01:00:14.033 --> 01:00:15.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But Twitter chose not to
act. Here's the former
employee whose voice

01:00:17.100 --> 01:00:19.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
has been obscured to
protect their identity,
discussing Trump's stand

01:00:21.733 --> 01:00:24.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
back and stand by comment
in the affected had

01:00:25.866 --> 01:00:28.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
My concern.

01:00:29.733 --> 01:00:31.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Was that the former president?

01:00:33.433 --> 01:00:35.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Four, seemingly the
first time was speaking
directly to extremist

01:00:37.233 --> 01:00:40.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
organizations.

01:00:41.100 --> 01:00:43.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Um, in giving them directives.

01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:46.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

01:00:48.433 --> 01:00:50.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
We had not seen that sort of
direct communication before.

01:00:51.366 --> 01:00:54.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um and

01:00:55.900 --> 01:00:57.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Dot concerned me so
just to clarify further,
Um you were worried,

01:01:00.966 --> 01:01:05.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and others on Twitter
were worried that the
president might use

01:01:06.766 --> 01:01:09.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Your platform to speak directly
to folks who might be incited to

01:01:09.700 --> 01:01:12.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
violence.

01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I believe that
Twitter relished in

01:01:16.500 --> 01:01:19.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
The knowledge that
they were also be

01:01:20.600 --> 01:01:22.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Favorite and most of
the used service of,
um the former president

01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:28.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and enjoyed having

01:01:30.033 --> 01:01:31.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That sort of power
within the social media
ecosystem if President

01:01:33.866 --> 01:01:36.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Trump or anyone else

01:01:38.466 --> 01:01:40.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Would it have taken
until January 2021 for
him to be suspended?

01:01:41.533 --> 01:01:44.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Absolutely not.

01:01:46.466 --> 01:01:47.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
If Donald former President
Donald Trump or any
other user on Twitter,

01:01:49.166 --> 01:01:52.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
he would have been permanently
suspended a very long time ago.

01:01:54.866 --> 01:01:57.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Despite these grave
concerns, Trump remained
on the platform completely

01:01:58.466 --> 01:02:00.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
unchecked.

01:02:01.933 --> 01:02:04.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Then came the December
19th tweet and
everything it inspired.

01:02:05.833 --> 01:02:09.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Indeed, it was told us if, um

01:02:11.066 --> 01:02:14.066 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Okay?

01:02:15.333 --> 01:02:19.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Came out was being
organized. Um, and they work.

01:02:20.666 --> 01:02:23.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Gathering together
their weaponry and
their logic, um, and

01:02:27.500 --> 01:02:31.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
their reasonings behind why
they were prepared to fight.

01:02:32.333 --> 01:02:35.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Um, prior to December, 18th.

01:02:36.533 --> 01:02:38.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Um again. They wouldn't. It was
vague. Um, it was it was non

01:02:42.333 --> 01:02:45.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
specific, but very clear that

01:02:46.766 --> 01:02:50.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Individuals were ready, willing
and able to take up arms.

01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:56.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
How stupid this tweet
On December 19th
again it became clear

01:02:57.500 --> 01:03:00.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
No. Only were these
individuals ready and willing

01:03:01.366 --> 01:03:05.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
But the leader of the bill cause

01:03:07.266 --> 01:03:09.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Was asking those to join him and
this cause and then fighting for

01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:17.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
this cause and DC on
January six as well.

01:03:19.666 --> 01:03:21.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I will also say what
shocked me was the
responses to these tweets,

01:03:24.333 --> 01:03:27.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
right? So these were
a lot of the locks and
motive stand back stand

01:03:29.200 --> 01:03:31.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
by those tweets or
in response to Donald
Trump, saying things like

01:03:32.833 --> 01:03:35.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
this right, so there would
be a response that said

01:03:37.433 --> 01:03:38.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Big protest that you see
on January 6th be there
be wild. And someone

01:03:40.533 --> 01:03:42.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
really respond and say
I'm locked and loaded
and ready for Civil

01:03:44.766 --> 01:03:46.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
war Part two, right?
You very much believe
Donald Trump posting this

01:03:48.466 --> 01:03:51.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
tweet on December,
19th was essentially

01:03:53.100 --> 01:03:56.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Speaking of flag in D.
C on January 6th for
his supporters to come

01:04:00.333 --> 01:04:04.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and rally and you were concerned
about the potential for this.

01:04:04.900 --> 01:04:06.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Gathering becoming violent.

01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:09.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Absolutely.

01:04:10.766 --> 01:04:12.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Indeed, many of Trump's
followers took to
social media to declare

01:04:13.333 --> 01:04:16.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that they were ready
to answer Trump's call.

01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
One user asked.

01:04:21.233 --> 01:04:23.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Is the sixth d Day is that why
Trump wants everyone there?

01:04:24.266 --> 01:04:26.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Another asserted.

01:04:28.333 --> 01:04:31.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump just told us all
to come Armed. Fucking
a. This is happening.

01:04:32.533 --> 01:04:35.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
The third took it even further.

01:04:36.766 --> 01:04:39.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
It will be wild means we need
volunteers for the firing squad.

01:04:41.500 --> 01:04:43.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Jim Watkins, the owner
of eight Kun, the
fringe online forum that

01:04:44.600 --> 01:04:47.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
was birthplace of the

01:04:48.933 --> 01:04:52.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Cuban on extremist
movement confirmed the
importance of Trump's tweet.

01:04:54.133 --> 01:04:57.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Why did you first
decide to go to D. C for
January? 6th when? When

01:04:58.666 --> 01:05:00.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the president of the
United States announced
that he was going to

01:05:01.566 --> 01:05:03.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
have a rally, and I
bought tickets, and when

01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:09.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Watkins was at the
Capitol on January 6th.

01:05:11.033 --> 01:05:13.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Some who have since
been indicted for their

01:05:14.933 --> 01:05:18.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Involvement in the attack
on the capital also
responded one of them

01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:20.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
posted on the 19th.

01:05:20.866 --> 01:05:21.600 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Quote.

01:05:23.033 --> 01:05:25.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Calling all Patriots be in
Washington, D C January 6th.

01:05:26.933 --> 01:05:28.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
This wasn't organized
by any group D J T has
invited us and it's

01:05:30.533 --> 01:05:35.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
going to be wild. Some
of the online rhetoric
turned openly homicidal.

01:05:36.166 --> 01:05:38.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
And white nationalist, such as

01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:41.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Why don't we just
kill them? Every last
Democrat down to the last

01:05:42.700 --> 01:05:44.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
man, woman and child?

01:05:46.200 --> 01:05:47.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And it's time for the
day of the rope. White
revolution is the only

01:05:48.133 --> 01:05:50.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
solution.

01:05:51.666 --> 01:05:53.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Others realized
that police would be

01:05:55.100 --> 01:05:56.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Standing in the way
of their effort to
overturn the election. So

01:05:56.866 --> 01:05:59.066 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
one wrote

01:06:00.566 --> 01:06:03.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I'm ready to die for my beliefs.
Are you ready to die? Police?

01:06:05.100 --> 01:06:08.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Another road on
the donald dot win.

01:06:09.700 --> 01:06:12.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Cops don't have standing
if they're laying on
the ground in a pool

01:06:13.433 --> 01:06:15.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of their own blood.

01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:18.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The Donald Darwin was an openly
racist and anti Semitic forum.

01:06:20.500 --> 01:06:23.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The Select Committee
deposed that site's
founder, Jody Williams.

01:06:24.533 --> 01:06:27.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He confirmed how the president's
tweet created a laser like focus

01:06:29.300 --> 01:06:32.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
on the date of
January, the sixth

01:06:33.866 --> 01:06:36.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
People have been talking
about going to D. C
as since the election

01:06:36.600 --> 01:06:37.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
was over.

01:06:39.566 --> 01:06:41.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And do you recall whether
or not the conversation
around those dates

01:06:42.600 --> 01:06:44.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
centered on the sixth after
the president's tweet?

01:06:46.166 --> 01:06:48.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean,
after it was announced
that you know he was

01:06:50.133 --> 01:06:52.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
going to be there on
the sixth to talk. Yes.
Then then anything else

01:06:53.733 --> 01:06:56.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
was kind of shut out, and it was
just going to be on the sixth.

01:06:58.100 --> 01:07:00.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Okay. And I was pretty
clearly reflected in
the content on the site.

01:07:02.166 --> 01:07:05.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Yeah, sure.

01:07:06.633 --> 01:07:09.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
On that site, many shared
plans and violent threats.

01:07:12.733 --> 01:07:15.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Bring handcuffs and
wait near the tunnels,
wrote one user comment

01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:19.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to replied, suggesting
ZIP ties. Instead, one
post encouraged others

01:07:21.300 --> 01:07:24.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to come with body armor,
knuckles, shields, bats,
pepper spray, whatever

01:07:26.733 --> 01:07:29.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
it takes. All of those
were used on the sixth.

01:07:31.366 --> 01:07:33.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The Post concluded.
Join your local proud
boys chapter as well.

01:07:35.466 --> 01:07:38.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The Donald Darwin
featured discussions of
the tunnels beneath the

01:07:40.333 --> 01:07:42.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Capitol complex
suggestions for targeting
members of Congress and

01:07:43.566 --> 01:07:46.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
encouragement to attend.

01:07:47.333 --> 01:07:48.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
This once in a lifetime event.

01:07:50.333 --> 01:07:51.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
While Trump supporters grew more
aggressive online, he continued

01:07:52.733 --> 01:07:55.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
to rile up his base on Twitter.

01:07:57.500 --> 01:07:59.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
He said there was
overwhelming evidence
that the election was the

01:08:00.433 --> 01:08:02.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
biggest scam.

01:08:02.733 --> 01:08:04.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
In our nation's history.

01:08:05.733 --> 01:08:07.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
As you can see, the
president continued to
boost the event tweeting

01:08:08.766 --> 01:08:13.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
about it more than a
dozen times in the lead
up to January, the sixth

01:08:14.133 --> 01:08:17.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Mr Chairman I reserve

01:08:19.066 --> 01:08:22.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The chair requested. Those in
the hearing room remain seated.

01:08:24.033 --> 01:08:26.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Until the Capitol police have
scored members from the room.

01:08:28.466 --> 01:08:30.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Pursuant to the Order
of the Committee of
Today. The chair declares

01:08:32.200 --> 01:08:36.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
the community in
recess for a period of
approximately 10 minutes.

01:08:39.366 --> 01:08:42.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And with that, the
committee chair, Congressman
Bennie Thompson says

01:08:44.300 --> 01:08:47.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
there will be a recess.
We've just been listening to

01:08:48.900 --> 01:08:50.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
A methodical description
of how former President
Trump after working,

01:08:53.500 --> 01:08:56.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
attempting to work
through his Department
of Justice attempting to

01:08:56.966 --> 01:08:58.700 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
work

01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:01.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
With others who he
thought were supportive.

01:09:03.200 --> 01:09:05.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And having what was described as
an quote, unhinged meeting that

01:09:07.566 --> 01:09:10.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
went on for hours on
the night of December,
19th and the White House

01:09:11.166 --> 01:09:12.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
that after that,

01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The president tweeted in the
wee hours of the next morning.

01:09:17.533 --> 01:09:19.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That he wanted his supporters to
come to Washington. Uh and as we

01:09:22.033 --> 01:09:25.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
are all now know, because
it has been reported
ever since, he said

01:09:25.633 --> 01:09:27.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
it will be wild.

01:09:29.500 --> 01:09:30.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And we heard we saw video
reporting reporting again
and again individuals

01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:38.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
who are at the meeting
the former White House.

01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:41.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump legal counsel Pat
Sip Aloni. We heard more
from Cassidy Hutchinson,

01:09:43.300 --> 01:09:45.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
who worked

01:09:47.133 --> 01:09:49.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
For the White House chief
of staff, all of them
buttressing the case

01:09:50.833 --> 01:09:52.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
that the president was
listening to arguments
that were simply not

01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
borne out by fact,
arguments that

01:09:58.000 --> 01:09:59.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He had won the election that
the election was stolen.

01:10:01.166 --> 01:10:05.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And based on that the
president called his
supporters to Washington

01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:08.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
for a couple of weeks
after that, joining me now
who have been listening

01:10:09.633 --> 01:10:12.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
very closely to these hearings,
Mary McCord, executive director.

01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:15.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Of the Institute for
Constitutional Advocacy
and Protection at the

01:10:17.166 --> 01:10:19.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Georgetown University
Law Center. She served
as the acting assistant

01:10:20.833 --> 01:10:22.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
attorney general for
national security.

01:10:24.766 --> 01:10:25.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
During the Obama
administration, and Jameel
Jaffer, a law professor

01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:31.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
at George Mason University
and former associate
counsel to President

01:10:32.466 --> 01:10:34.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
George W. Bush. Jameel
Jaffer, I'm going to come

01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:37.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
To you first. We knew
a good bit of this, but
pulling it together,

01:10:40.333 --> 01:10:43.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
and especially with the
video testimony of former
White House counsel

01:10:43.933 --> 01:10:45.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Patsy Baloney.

01:10:47.333 --> 01:10:48.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
It's it's It's just been
extraordinary and compelling.

01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:52.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Yeah, You know, Judy, I
mean, one of the I think
the most enlightening

01:10:54.533 --> 01:10:55.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
things about this
testimony was the combined
discussion of that night

01:10:58.133 --> 01:11:01.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
on December 18th. When
sort of this this, you
know, very interesting

01:11:03.300 --> 01:11:06.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
heating took place
in a series of rooms
throughout the White House.

01:11:08.233 --> 01:11:10.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
With with Rudy Giuliani,
Mike Flynn, Sidney Powell.

01:11:12.533 --> 01:11:14.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And this those Overstock
CEO Patrick Byrne, and
then the White House

01:11:15.900 --> 01:11:18.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
team sort of coming in
after the fact that they
had 15 minutes President

01:11:20.833 --> 01:11:22.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
alone, you know, get
things that would never in
my recollection happened

01:11:23.166 --> 01:11:24.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
in the Bush White
House. The idea that

01:11:25.900 --> 01:11:26.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, people would just sort
of wandered to the White House.

01:11:28.033 --> 01:11:29.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Get to the oval and see
the president. I mean,

01:11:31.066 --> 01:11:31.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That would just never
happened. And then you
have Derek Lyons, the

01:11:33.866 --> 01:11:34.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
staff secretary of the
president. That's the
loyal White House counsel.

01:11:36.133 --> 01:11:37.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Erik Hersman, the former
accountant. A lawyer
wants counselors lawyer

01:11:39.066 --> 01:11:41.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
who defended President
Trump in his first
engagement hearing, You

01:11:43.066 --> 01:11:44.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
know, all sort of
aligned around, you know,
what are these people

01:11:45.533 --> 01:11:46.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
saying the president is this
isn't factually based, um

01:11:48.866 --> 01:11:49.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
As in curse would be
thrown. I mean, again.
This was this was a White

01:11:51.566 --> 01:11:53.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
house, unlike any other
I've ever heard of much
less the White House

01:11:54.666 --> 01:11:56.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
that I started under
President Bush things
that would never happen

01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:58.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
in that White House
apparently happened.

01:12:00.066 --> 01:12:01.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
At number of times in
this White House and in
particular during the

01:12:03.166 --> 01:12:04.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
during the sort of last
days in the administration,
As the president

01:12:06.466 --> 01:12:08.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
fumed about having
lost the election and
Mary McCord we've heard

01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:12.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
about former President
Trump's temper. We've
heard about the language.

01:12:13.833 --> 01:12:15.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
We've seen the language that he
used in person and in his social

01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:17.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
media Twitter.

01:12:19.466 --> 01:12:20.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But again, what's what
struck me. I think the
most in this testimony

01:12:22.433 --> 01:12:25.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
this afternoon is just
the methodical step by
step effort to dissuade

01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:31.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
former President Trump that the
election had been stolen, but he

01:12:32.533 --> 01:12:33.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
refused to believe it.

01:12:34.866 --> 01:12:36.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I think that's right.
And you really see it
when you when you listen

01:12:37.866 --> 01:12:39.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to the testimony about
that meeting, and then
his decision after

01:12:41.433 --> 01:12:44.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
his White House advisers
had really gone to the
mat to say you cannot

01:12:45.933 --> 01:12:48.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
do these crazy things.
We cannot see these
voting machines. You've

01:12:50.533 --> 01:12:52.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
lost the election. You
should concede. It's
almost like when you

01:12:54.433 --> 01:12:56.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
see when you listen to what
we saw today and heard today.

01:12:57.866 --> 01:12:59.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That he then made the
decision. He's going to
have to seek the support

01:13:01.133 --> 01:13:03.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
for staying in office
somewhere else. And
that's somewhere else is

01:13:05.700 --> 01:13:07.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
the public his supporters
out there by issuing
that tweet in those

01:13:08.866 --> 01:13:11.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
early morning hours,
and from then on
encouraging people to come

01:13:12.433 --> 01:13:13.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
to the White House.

01:13:15.700 --> 01:13:16.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Or not to the White House
to come to the capital
on January 6th and

01:13:18.400 --> 01:13:20.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
prevent through violence
if necessary. I mean,
he didn't use the

01:13:21.766 --> 01:13:25.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
word violence, but he
had to know what was
then going on from then.

01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:28.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
From December 19th
until the actual attack
on the on the capital,

01:13:30.466 --> 01:13:32.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and we saw evidence
and quotes from many of
these extremist groups.

01:13:34.366 --> 01:13:36.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Members of these groups
about how they were
inspired by that to plan

01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:41.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
to be in Washington,
also joining us our
congressional correspondent

01:13:43.166 --> 01:13:44.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Lisa Desjardin. She's
been inside the hearing
room. She joins me

01:13:46.400 --> 01:13:48.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
now, along with our White House
correspondent Laura Baron Lopez.

01:13:50.033 --> 01:13:53.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
She's been watching as
well. Lisa, I You know
we've heard the committee.

01:13:55.366 --> 01:13:59.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Just go through point
by point, once again,
building a case and argument

01:14:01.766 --> 01:14:05.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that that this president
was surrounded by people.

01:14:06.700 --> 01:14:08.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Who told him there was
no evidence and yet he
kept turning away from

01:14:08.966 --> 01:14:11.000 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
that.

01:14:12.933 --> 01:14:15.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
That's right. Judy this
committee today is showing
how they are finding

01:14:16.933 --> 01:14:18.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
new arguments displaying
some new evidence. And
there's sort of changing

01:14:20.233 --> 01:14:21.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the nature of congressional
hearings itself. Potentially

01:14:23.300 --> 01:14:24.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
This was a salvo of
evidence video evidence
in particular. By my

01:14:26.700 --> 01:14:30.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
count. There were 30
clips played in this last
portion of the hearing,

01:14:32.166 --> 01:14:34.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
notably nine of them.
Almost a third of them
from Pat. Sip alone.

01:14:36.033 --> 01:14:37.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Just recorded on Friday
at the committee here
is doing is trying

01:14:39.133 --> 01:14:41.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to engage the American
audience. That's I
think what a lot of this

01:14:42.133 --> 01:14:43.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
portion was for.

01:14:44.566 --> 01:14:47.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
To kind of indicate the
drama. The danger that
they felt was real.

01:14:48.966 --> 01:14:50.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Also say in that hearing
room today, it started
out really kind of

01:14:52.433 --> 01:14:54.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
a more a lighter mood,
You know members have
been out of town for

01:14:55.433 --> 01:14:55.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
two weeks.

01:14:57.500 --> 01:14:58.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The few members coming
back with sort of joking,
smiling. The press

01:15:00.333 --> 01:15:01.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
hadn't seen each other
in a while, but by the
end of that hearing,

01:15:03.333 --> 01:15:04.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Judy it was a dramatic,
very tense feeling. I
looked at the members

01:15:06.333 --> 01:15:08.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
who were in the room,
shaking their head tears
and one members eyes

01:15:10.433 --> 01:15:12.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
as they were reading
the tweets of people
saying that it's time to

01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:15.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
kill every Democrat.
It's the time for the
rope, I think of really

01:15:15.900 --> 01:15:17.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
significant and kind of

01:15:19.500 --> 01:15:20.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Chilling testimony from
all of that one final
note something else

01:15:22.433 --> 01:15:23.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
important that this committee is
doing that I haven't heard them

01:15:25.100 --> 01:15:26.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
do yet In these hearings,
they are clearly tying
all of this to white

01:15:27.700 --> 01:15:29.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
supremacy. They're talking about
racism in this hearing in a way

01:15:30.966 --> 01:15:32.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that I haven't heard
them do until today.

01:15:33.666 --> 01:15:35.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And Lisa. Your point
about. They're pulling
together the interviews

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:38.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
that the committee
members have. They've been
open to say they have

01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:42.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
now interviewed over
1000 people, and it seems
to me they're making

01:15:43.433 --> 01:15:46.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
effective use of a selected

01:15:48.033 --> 01:15:49.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Number of these
interviews and selected
testimony to to build the

01:15:51.200 --> 01:15:54.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
argument that they're
making Laura Brown Lopez,
you've covered Washington.

01:15:54.900 --> 01:15:57.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
You covered the Trump.

01:15:59.233 --> 01:16:00.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Administration you You
can't really hear all
this without coming

01:16:03.033 --> 01:16:06.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
away with a sense that
former President Trump
was isolated by the

01:16:08.233 --> 01:16:12.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
time this December
meeting happened and then
leading up to January.

01:16:14.533 --> 01:16:15.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The sixth. Almost
everyone around him in the
White House was urging

01:16:17.533 --> 01:16:20.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
him to go in another
direction, but he chose
to do what they didn't

01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:22.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
want him to do.

01:16:23.700 --> 01:16:25.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That's right, Judy and
he held. He was in that
meeting that December.

01:16:26.666 --> 01:16:29.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
18th meeting with all of
these outside advisers
was willing to meet

01:16:31.033 --> 01:16:33.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
with them was willing
to speak to his lawyer,
Rudy Giuliani, as well

01:16:35.133 --> 01:16:37.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
as Sidney Powell and
Overstock CEO Patrick
Byrne, and to hear them

01:16:39.333 --> 01:16:42.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
out on potentially other
options that he could

01:16:44.300 --> 01:16:45.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Pursue because everyone
around him that
compilation video that the

01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:49.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
committee put together
with stunning where you
had all of these different

01:16:51.200 --> 01:16:53.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
advisors, whether it's
simple Oni whether it's
the president's daughter,

01:16:55.066 --> 01:16:57.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Ivanka Trump and others who
said that it was their belief

01:16:59.366 --> 01:17:00.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
That former President Trump
had lost the election,
so he still decided

01:17:02.166 --> 01:17:04.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to move forward with
what was described as
an unhinged meeting.

01:17:06.266 --> 01:17:08.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Jameel Jaffer. I am
referring. I'm thinking
back to what we heard

01:17:10.300 --> 01:17:13.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Pat sip alone, he said.
I think a lot of interest
in in him because

01:17:14.400 --> 01:17:16.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
we know the committee
has been trying to

01:17:18.300 --> 01:17:19.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
To get his cooperation for some
time. He didn't agree to come in

01:17:21.433 --> 01:17:23.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
until very recently. And
then it was just last
Friday that he finally

01:17:25.466 --> 01:17:27.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
did sit down for
questions. They went on
over eight hours, but his

01:17:28.633 --> 01:17:31.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
testimony has become
an important part of

01:17:32.066 --> 01:17:33.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Buttressing

01:17:34.633 --> 01:17:36.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the additional testimony
we have heard from others.

01:17:38.366 --> 01:17:40.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Well, absolutely. I
mean, obviously the White
House counsel of big

01:17:42.633 --> 01:17:43.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
concerns about executive
privilege and the
attorney client privilege

01:17:45.633 --> 01:17:47.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
when a White House
counsel testifies about a
conversation with things

01:17:48.433 --> 01:17:48.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
that happen.

01:17:50.333 --> 01:17:51.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
With respect to the White House
and the president and the advice

01:17:52.933 --> 01:17:55.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
he was giving him. But
what's clear from Patsy
Bologna's testimony

01:17:56.933 --> 01:17:57.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
where he was very careful
to not talk about what
the president said,

01:17:58.400 --> 01:17:59.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
or what happens specifically.

01:18:00.866 --> 01:18:02.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Uh, what the president
had given meeting to
protect that privilege

01:18:03.900 --> 01:18:04.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
that someone is very
clear about the advice.
He gave the president

01:18:06.566 --> 01:18:07.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the advice that others
were giving. Giving
the president his view

01:18:09.433 --> 01:18:11.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
that advice, which was
that It was essentially,
uh, not not well

01:18:13.033 --> 01:18:16.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
founded that it was
a poor advice for the
president here and to take,

01:18:18.100 --> 01:18:19.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
um, and that he essentially was
even when the president said I'm

01:18:20.733 --> 01:18:23.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
gonna put city pal

01:18:24.866 --> 01:18:26.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Special counsel and give
her security clearance.
I mean, just again,

01:18:27.666 --> 01:18:29.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
just unlike anything
you might have ever
heard. Other than maybe

01:18:30.733 --> 01:18:32.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Nixon, you know, giving
giving Elvis that badge
to be a to be a drug

01:18:34.700 --> 01:18:37.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
d e a agent. You know,
it doesn't sort of happen
in the White House.

01:18:38.700 --> 01:18:40.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And so, uh, So you hear
Patsy to talk about that?

01:18:41.133 --> 01:18:42.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Until my view was

01:18:43.700 --> 01:18:43.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I didn't think she'd be
the point anything. They
haven't gone through

01:18:45.433 --> 01:18:46.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the process. Nothing
happened, And it's clear
that even those closest

01:18:48.200 --> 01:18:50.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to the president, we're advising
him that this was not the right

01:18:52.766 --> 01:18:54.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
road to go down to the
people who get advice from
where it was disastrous

01:18:56.233 --> 01:18:57.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
and wrong and ultimately
lead to a very bad
situation. Um, on January

01:18:58.766 --> 01:19:01.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
6th, an insurrection
in the capital

01:19:03.400 --> 01:19:03.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um and you know and
what's really true the
instruction and we go

01:19:05.700 --> 01:19:06.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
back to Cassidy.
Hundreds testimony or she
talked about Judy. Um,

01:19:08.533 --> 01:19:10.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
you know the fact that
the president said I
know these people are

01:19:11.733 --> 01:19:12.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
armed. Let them in
by the mags, anyways.

01:19:14.333 --> 01:19:15.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
They're not here to hurt
me. They're going to
the capital. That was

01:19:17.566 --> 01:19:18.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
responsive Tweet it
sent a month a month
earlier on Jr on December

01:19:20.633 --> 01:19:22.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
8th the 9th December 18th
December 19th. That's
right. We're watching

01:19:24.566 --> 01:19:26.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
the January 6th committee.
They have been in about
a 10 minute recess.

01:19:27.200 --> 01:19:28.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
We were told they were

01:19:29.700 --> 01:19:31.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Going to be coming
back into session after
this short break of the

01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:36.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
we are about to hear
from two witnesses and
Mary McCord, who's with

01:19:37.500 --> 01:19:41.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
me here on our
set in the studio.

01:19:43.133 --> 01:19:44.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
They are Jason Van Tay
Tonho, former spokesperson
and self described

01:19:46.166 --> 01:19:49.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
propagandist for
the oath keepers.

01:19:50.733 --> 01:19:52.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And Stephen Ayers, who
has been criminally
charged for his actions.

01:19:54.233 --> 01:19:56.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
During the insurrection. You can
see them at the desk, and I know

01:19:57.500 --> 01:19:59.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
you've been talking to Jason Van
Keeton hold. I have Jason. I met

01:20:01.100 --> 01:20:02.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
earlier this year after
we were both actually
featured in a documentary

01:20:04.100 --> 01:20:06.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that sort of traced the
militia involvement from

01:20:08.433 --> 01:20:10.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The standoff against
federal agencies back
in 2014 in Bunkerville

01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:14.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
to the insurrection,
and Jason left the
organization. He was a paid

01:20:16.833 --> 01:20:19.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
communications director in about
late 2017 early 2018, but he has

01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:24.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
amazing insight into
the way Stewart Rhodes,
the leader of the oath

01:20:26.633 --> 01:20:28.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
keeper who's now
indicted for seditious
conspiracy. He has amazing

01:20:29.466 --> 01:20:32.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
insight into the
way he operates.

01:20:33.633 --> 01:20:35.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The way he tries to
seek power the way he
recruits people into the

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
movement, and I think
that's part of what
we're going to hear from

01:20:41.400 --> 01:20:43.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Jason When the committee
resumes you were telling
me he had a change

01:20:44.666 --> 01:20:47.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of heart if you will about
working with that organization.

01:20:49.200 --> 01:20:50.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
A few years ago. So
that was before any of
this came about, but his

01:20:53.166 --> 01:20:56.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
his understanding and
knowledge of the group
is what this committee

01:20:58.066 --> 01:21:00.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
is is seeking today.
That's right. That's sort
of the modus operandi

01:21:02.366 --> 01:21:04.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
of health Stewart Rhodes
works and how he influences
people and really

01:21:05.566 --> 01:21:09.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
draws them in takes advantage of
people and so he was able to use

01:21:11.533 --> 01:21:14.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump's real sort of,
you know, blessing for
this kind of activity

01:21:16.066 --> 01:21:17.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to help recruit and to help plan
and propaganda and again, as you

01:21:19.733 --> 01:21:23.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
said, Jason left well
before anything having to
do with the insurrection,

01:21:25.233 --> 01:21:26.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But you know he knows
Stewart quite well and
what he's seeing what

01:21:27.900 --> 01:21:30.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
he has seen. I think
he'll be telling

01:21:31.800 --> 01:21:33.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The American people
today is consistent
with sort of how Stewart

01:21:34.966 --> 01:21:36.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Rhodes operates. And I
think what we're going
to hear what we expect

01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:40.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
to hear. As the committee
members come back and
and reconvene this

01:21:41.633 --> 01:21:43.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
session is picking up
where we left off, in
essence that that tweet

01:21:44.500 --> 01:21:46.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
from President Trump

01:21:47.966 --> 01:21:49.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In mid December, calling on his
supporters to come to Washington

01:21:51.433 --> 01:21:54.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to go to the capital to
challenge the election
results, which he

01:21:55.633 --> 01:21:57.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
was saying at that
point, despite all

01:21:59.866 --> 01:22:00.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Advice to the contrary
from people who were
closest to him that there

01:22:02.566 --> 01:22:05.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
was no evidence that the
election was fraudulent.
He was he continued

01:22:07.466 --> 01:22:11.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to insist that it was
that it was stolen and
he was calling on his

01:22:13.100 --> 01:22:15.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
His millions of supporters, and
ultimately, there were thousands

01:22:16.566 --> 01:22:19.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
who showed up that day.
And I think one thing
that the committee

01:22:21.133 --> 01:22:22.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
has been effective
about today is really
showing he took advantage

01:22:23.833 --> 01:22:26.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of people write his
advisers, the people
in position to know not

01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:31.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
only his advisers, but
even Sidney Powell,
Rudy Giuliani, no one

01:22:32.866 --> 01:22:35.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
believed there was enough
evidence to actually
impact the outcome.

01:22:37.366 --> 01:22:38.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But he didn't care and
took advantage of the
disinformation. The

01:22:40.866 --> 01:22:42.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
lies to recruit the
American people to come
and do this. This bidding

01:22:44.466 --> 01:22:47.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
for him, Um as Laura
Barone Lopez as watching
as we said from the

01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:51.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
White House, and Laura
was covering Washington
covering the Trump

01:22:52.533 --> 01:22:53.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
administration.

01:22:55.366 --> 01:22:56.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, I think that last
bit of testimony Laura
before the committee

01:22:58.700 --> 01:23:02.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
went to a break about
the former presidents use
of Twitter and Twitter.

01:23:03.366 --> 01:23:06.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Understood the value
if you will of having

01:23:08.666 --> 01:23:10.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
then President Trump using
that platform, I think
raises some troubling

01:23:12.166 --> 01:23:15.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
questions. Yes, Judy
hearing from that anonymous
former Twitter employees,

01:23:16.400 --> 01:23:18.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
saying that

01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:21.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
They saw that once the
president the former
president, tweeted that

01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:24.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
out that there was this
call to arms call to
action by all of these

01:23:26.366 --> 01:23:29.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
people across websites,
saying that it was that tweet

01:23:30.966 --> 01:23:32.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That is what made them
decide to go there. And
we heard Congresswoman

01:23:34.233 --> 01:23:36.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Liz Cheney at the
beginning of the hearing.
Lay this out, saying

01:23:36.633 --> 01:23:38.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
essentially that

01:23:40.100 --> 01:23:42.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Trump's advisers are
trying to blame what they
call quote the crazies

01:23:44.666 --> 01:23:45.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
rather than the president
himself, and argue that
he was manipulated.

01:23:47.400 --> 01:23:49.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But she says that no
that the president must
be held accountable

01:23:49.666 --> 01:23:50.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
for his actions.

01:23:52.400 --> 01:23:53.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Exactly right, And that does go
back to the beginning of today's

01:23:55.300 --> 01:23:56.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
hearings. It's it's I think it's
pretty clear that Congresswoman

01:23:58.500 --> 01:24:00.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Cheney, um wanted to
make that point at the
outset today, lest it

01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:05.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
be anybody get the
impression that the president
then President Trump

01:24:06.633 --> 01:24:08.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
was being duped.

01:24:10.300 --> 01:24:11.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That this was something that he
actively sought to do. He argued

01:24:13.400 --> 01:24:16.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
with the people around
him, Mary McCord is
sitting here with me and

01:24:17.866 --> 01:24:19.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
again. We're about 15
minutes. Now into this
into this recession,

01:24:21.400 --> 01:24:23.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
we will take you back to the
hearing room as soon as it

01:24:24.700 --> 01:24:26.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Resumes. His sort of is
dismissive comment about
his own top advisers.

01:24:29.733 --> 01:24:32.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
His own legal counsel,
Pat Sip. Aloni. Uh, Mr
Hershman, who worked

01:24:35.100 --> 01:24:37.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
with simple Oni.

01:24:38.833 --> 01:24:40.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And he said to Sydney
Powell, who was an
outsider by this is what

01:24:41.900 --> 01:24:43.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I have to put up with
everyday dismissing, in
effect, what they were

01:24:45.233 --> 01:24:47.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
telling you, It really
is incredible. And this,
of course, is after

01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:50.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
he had already dismissed
Bill Barr, right. When
Bill barred, disagreed

01:24:52.033 --> 01:24:54.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
with the fact that there
was attorney general
his attorney general,

01:24:54.833 --> 01:24:56.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
So you know he had

01:24:57.900 --> 01:24:59.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You know real lawyers,
real advisers who were
taking things seriously.

01:25:01.633 --> 01:25:04.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
They looked to see that
was there evidence there
wasn't and he didn't

01:25:06.100 --> 01:25:07.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
want to hear that. This is a man
who didn't want to hear No, And

01:25:09.166 --> 01:25:10.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
that's the I think
exactly why he said what
he said. Look what I

01:25:12.200 --> 01:25:13.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
have to put up with. He
was willing to entertain.
You know, people

01:25:14.866 --> 01:25:17.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
essentially sneaking
into the White House
to try to influence him

01:25:19.500 --> 01:25:21.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and and when I guess
when Pat sip, Aloni said
he didn't know about

01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:24.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
this meeting. No one
knew about the meeting.
But then, when he got

01:25:25.500 --> 01:25:26.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
word of it, he rushed

01:25:26.866 --> 01:25:27.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
To get there

01:25:29.466 --> 01:25:30.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to to make sure that
something inappropriate
wasn't happening. And,

01:25:32.533 --> 01:25:34.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of course, and then he
and others stayed for
several hours. We're

01:25:35.400 --> 01:25:37.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
looking at video from
the hearing room at the

01:25:39.100 --> 01:25:40.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Capital where the
January 6th Congressional
committee is holding

01:25:42.066 --> 01:25:43.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
its seventh live hearing.
We were just looking
at video of the two

01:25:45.100 --> 01:25:48.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
witnesses were expecting to hear
from any minute now. There, you

01:25:48.700 --> 01:25:48.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
see them.

01:25:50.700 --> 01:25:51.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
That's Jason Van Tatum
Hope he's a former
spokesperson for the group.

01:25:54.033 --> 01:25:57.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The Oath Keepers, and
next to him is Stephen
Ayers, who just days

01:25:59.333 --> 01:26:02.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
ago was criminally
charged for his actions.

01:26:03.900 --> 01:26:05.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
During the the attack on
the capital on January
on January the sixth

01:26:08.900 --> 01:26:12.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We are watching. We were
told by the committee
chair Bennie Thompson.

01:26:13.700 --> 01:26:16.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
We were looking at our
watches at eight minutes after

01:26:17.866 --> 01:26:19.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
After two, um in the
East, he said. We're
going to take a 10 minute

01:26:20.633 --> 01:26:23.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
break. It's now been
almost 20 minutes. Um,
and we know better than

01:26:25.133 --> 01:26:27.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
to than to set our clocks
by because who knows
what can happen behind

01:26:28.266 --> 01:26:30.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
the scenes? And who knows what

01:26:31.666 --> 01:26:33.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Conversations are going
on. But Mary McCarty,
I want to bring you

01:26:35.066 --> 01:26:38.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
back in on this because
you again you spent
a lot of time talking

01:26:39.666 --> 01:26:42.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to Jason and taking her
view, studied how the
oath keepers operate.

01:26:44.233 --> 01:26:47.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What do you think we
may be learning today
about that organization.

01:26:49.200 --> 01:26:50.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I think we will learn
a little bit about how
it's structured how

01:26:52.400 --> 01:26:53.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
it's funded. I mean, it
depends on how much time
they have with Jason,

01:26:55.300 --> 01:26:56.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of course, and how
people are sort of lured
in, and I think we'll

01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:00.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
also hear probably more
about other extremist
organizations, including

01:27:02.200 --> 01:27:04.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
militia groups like the
three Percenters Another.

01:27:06.400 --> 01:27:08.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Anti government militia
group that trains a
decentralized group that

01:27:09.566 --> 01:27:12.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Detroit trains and
paramilitary techniques
that also called on its

01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
people to come. And
many three percenters
have been indicted, will

01:27:17.666 --> 01:27:19.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
probably hear more about
the proud boys as well.

01:27:20.966 --> 01:27:22.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
They have. Also, a
number of them have been
indicted for such on

01:27:23.966 --> 01:27:25.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
seditious conspiracy
charges. They in a
previous hearing. We saw

01:27:27.200 --> 01:27:29.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
where some of those who
were the first ones to
break commit violence

01:27:31.033 --> 01:27:33.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and breach the the
line of police who were
trying to protect the

01:27:34.466 --> 01:27:38.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
capital. So I think we'll extend
beyond oath Keepers here in this

01:27:39.366 --> 01:27:41.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
in this half of
the of the hearing.

01:27:42.633 --> 01:27:44.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And, you know, also
here, Of course from
Stephen Ayers about what

01:27:45.566 --> 01:27:47.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
caused him to go and what caused
him to plead guilty. Why did he

01:27:48.900 --> 01:27:51.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
plead guilty? Which is
what he did. Just in the
last few days sometime

01:27:51.700 --> 01:27:52.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
after he was

01:27:54.500 --> 01:27:55.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
After he was charged.
Jameel Jaffer, who of
course had worked at

01:27:57.400 --> 01:27:59.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the Justice Department
before I asked you
about this earlier, but

01:28:01.200 --> 01:28:03.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I want to come back to
this. Pat. Sip. Aloni,
uh, has been someone

01:28:04.700 --> 01:28:07.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the committee wanted to
hear from for a long time.

01:28:09.333 --> 01:28:10.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But he only agreed in
recent days after we
heard the testimony of

01:28:12.166 --> 01:28:16.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Cassidy Hutchinson, who was very
junior White House aide. She was

01:28:18.233 --> 01:28:21.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
serving as a chief of
staff to then White House.

01:28:22.533 --> 01:28:24.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Uh or or an aid. I should say to
then White House chief of staff,

01:28:26.433 --> 01:28:29.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Um, Mark Meadows. It was
only after her testimony,
which, of course,

01:28:30.100 --> 01:28:32.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
garnered enormous attention.

01:28:34.366 --> 01:28:36.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That he agreed to come in. How
how should we look on that?

01:28:38.400 --> 01:28:41.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Well, you know, I mean,
I think that's a pony,
obviously, uh, you

01:28:41.766 --> 01:28:43.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
know bills.

01:28:44.833 --> 01:28:46.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
You know, obligated to
test out for the committee.
I think that what

01:28:46.766 --> 01:28:47.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
he was trying to do

01:28:49.166 --> 01:28:50.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and not and not agree to testify
earlier on was protect the very

01:28:52.566 --> 01:28:54.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
important privileges
that the executive
branch has. The president

01:28:54.733 --> 01:28:54.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
has

01:28:56.466 --> 01:28:57.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
With his close advisers,
his oracles advisers
as well as the attorney

01:28:59.666 --> 01:29:02.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
client privilege,
something at all attorneys
are our sworn up hold.

01:29:03.666 --> 01:29:05.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
At the same time. It's
clear that had some
money was not align with

01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:09.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the folks in the White
House has as Cassius
terms to describe them

01:29:11.566 --> 01:29:12.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
who are encouraging
the president or or
suggested president or so

01:29:14.333 --> 01:29:15.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
we're sort of in the
middle has ability was
clearly on the side of

01:29:16.133 --> 01:29:16.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
saying.

01:29:17.833 --> 01:29:19.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mr President. You've
lost the election. It's
time move on 200 this

01:29:20.733 --> 01:29:22.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in orderly manner and
engage the peaceful
transition of power. And

01:29:23.900 --> 01:29:25.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
we saw some portion of
that of that come out
in his testimony before

01:29:27.400 --> 01:29:28.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
the committee the
videotaped deposition.
That's a point that we saw

01:29:29.033 --> 01:29:29.433 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
today.

01:29:30.900 --> 01:29:32.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So you know, it's not surprising
that that's really at the end of

01:29:33.700 --> 01:29:34.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the day did agree to
testify, and it's all
surprised. You put this

01:29:36.066 --> 01:29:37.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
long given the important
privileges that he
and other White House

01:29:39.200 --> 01:29:41.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
lawyers ought to abide
by and protect in the
context of their their

01:29:43.166 --> 01:29:45.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
advice that gives the president

01:29:47.400 --> 01:29:48.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Yeah, I'd love to know
from him directly. How?
Why his thinking changed?

01:29:50.566 --> 01:29:53.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I mean, what went into
the decision? Because
he there wasn't there

01:29:54.866 --> 01:29:57.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
wasn't executive
privilege being exerted.

01:29:59.333 --> 01:30:00.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
As I understand it in this case,
So what exactly President Trump

01:30:01.733 --> 01:30:04.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Former President Trump wasn't

01:30:05.666 --> 01:30:07.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Insisting that he stay
out. There may have been
some sort of unspoken

01:30:09.400 --> 01:30:11.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
understanding that former
President Trump didn't
want him to testify.

01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:14.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
But that's different, isn't it?

01:30:16.166 --> 01:30:16.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Well, yeah, Judy. Sure
The president has the
authority to assert

01:30:18.866 --> 01:30:19.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
or not assert executive
privilege. But, of
course, that's the Bologna

01:30:21.500 --> 01:30:22.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
has his own independent
responsibility as an
officer of the United

01:30:24.833 --> 01:30:26.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
States as he was in the
White House as a as a
assistant to the president.

01:30:28.666 --> 01:30:31.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
He has a client
obligation to protect
that executive privilege.

01:30:33.133 --> 01:30:34.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And in addition to also
protect the attorney
client privileges, he

01:30:36.266 --> 01:30:37.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
was the lawyer to the
president in the context
of his official dealing.

01:30:39.433 --> 01:30:41.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Now there's an argument
that maybe something the
president was engaged

01:30:43.533 --> 01:30:44.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in. We're not official
acts right and the
like. And so you might.

01:30:46.933 --> 01:30:48.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
You might debate that, but
at a minimum to Bologna
had a lot of advice.

01:30:50.400 --> 01:30:52.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
You probably had to get
from outside folks about his
ethical responsibilities.

01:30:52.833 --> 01:30:53.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Independent, separate.

01:30:55.400 --> 01:30:56.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Individual responses
beyond what the president
might have might assert.

01:30:58.066 --> 01:30:59.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Of course, the president
can weigh both the
executive privilege and

01:31:01.300 --> 01:31:02.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the client privilege.
But it's something every
attorney has got away

01:31:04.433 --> 01:31:05.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in. My guess. Is that
what's going on here?
What's clear is had when

01:31:07.766 --> 01:31:08.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
it was not one of the
folks that was refused
to testify because either

01:31:10.533 --> 01:31:12.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
he thought he had some
liability. You saw Mike
Flynn take the Fifth

01:31:13.333 --> 01:31:14.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Amendment repeatedly.

01:31:15.666 --> 01:31:17.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, after he even when
he was asked whether he
believes in the peaceful

01:31:18.833 --> 01:31:20.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
transfer of power, I
mean, you know, astounding
to hear a former

01:31:22.100 --> 01:31:23.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
military officer and
Nationals group has the
president say things

01:31:25.400 --> 01:31:26.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
like that. That clearly
wasn't repetitive. Bloody
wasn't this debate.

01:31:28.400 --> 01:31:29.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Nonetheless, he did take
his time before he came
before the committee

01:31:30.733 --> 01:31:31.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and made sure he didn't right.

01:31:33.166 --> 01:31:34.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And he made it very
clear in that testimony
before the committee

01:31:36.233 --> 01:31:37.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
that he thought the
point came in December
when they had exhausted

01:31:39.466 --> 01:31:41.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the legal appeals when
there was no evidence
as he kept as he said,

01:31:42.933 --> 01:31:45.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
over and over again,
we kept asking them.

01:31:46.766 --> 01:31:50.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Where is the evidence?
And they gave answers
that didn't in any way.

01:31:52.100 --> 01:31:53.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Produced any evidence,
and he made it very clear
that once that moment,

01:31:57.000 --> 01:31:59.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Pat I mean, once the
time passed when they
legal legal appeals were

01:32:01.633 --> 01:32:04.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
exhausted that it was
time for for president,
then President Trump.

01:32:06.266 --> 01:32:07.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
To give it up to move
on, and that's not what
happened, and I thought

01:32:09.833 --> 01:32:12.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
it was effective. The
committee, you know,
aired a string of comments

01:32:14.366 --> 01:32:16.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
from reminding us, um,
Majority Senate. I'm
sorry, Senate Minority

01:32:17.233 --> 01:32:19.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Leader Mitch McConnell

01:32:20.933 --> 01:32:22.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Saying in December of 2020
that the election's over we

01:32:26.633 --> 01:32:29.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
have a president elect.
That's it. I think
the committee members

01:32:30.500 --> 01:32:32.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
are coming back now and others.

01:32:33.766 --> 01:32:35.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Judd Deere, who worked
in the press office
under President Trump.

01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:39.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Bill Barr, the attorney general,
the former president's daughter,

01:32:41.066 --> 01:32:42.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Ivanka Trump. I made a
list Kayleigh Mcenany,
who served as press

01:32:43.433 --> 01:32:44.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
secretary.

01:32:45.733 --> 01:32:47.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
One after the other.
The people around former
President Trump, saying

01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:51.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
they thought it was time to call
it quits and say the election is

01:32:52.966 --> 01:32:55.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
over. Let's listen now
for Bennie Thompson,
calling this committee

01:32:56.600 --> 01:32:59.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
back to order

01:33:02.833 --> 01:33:05.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Committee will be in
order chair recognizes the
gentleman from Maryland.

01:33:06.433 --> 01:33:09.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Mr Raskin.

01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:12.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Mr Chairman, President
Trump's tweet drew tens
of thousands of Americans

01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:16.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to Washington to form
the angry crowd that
would be transformed on

01:33:17.633 --> 01:33:20.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
January, the sixth
and to a violent mob.

01:33:22.400 --> 01:33:23.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Dr. Daniel Harvin, who
was the chief of homeland
security and intelligence

01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:27.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
for DC told the committee
how his team saw
Trump's December 19th

01:33:29.466 --> 01:33:32.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
tweet unite violent groups.

01:33:33.633 --> 01:33:35.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Across the spectrum
on the far right.

01:33:37.100 --> 01:33:39.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We? We got derogatory
information from ocean
suggesting that some

01:33:40.966 --> 01:33:43.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
very, very violent
individuals were organizing
to come to D. C. And

01:33:46.333 --> 01:33:50.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
not only were they
organized committees, but
they were these groups.

01:33:51.833 --> 01:33:53.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
These nonaligned of
groups were aligning.

01:33:55.400 --> 01:33:57.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um And so the rest all
the red flags went up
at that point. You know

01:33:59.200 --> 01:34:02.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
when you have our
militia, Um uh, you know,
collaborating with white

01:34:02.900 --> 01:34:05.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
supremacy groups.

01:34:06.966 --> 01:34:08.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Collaborating with, um,
uh, conspiracy theory
groups online for the

01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:14.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
common goal. You start
seeing what we call in
in, you know, terrorism

01:34:16.233 --> 01:34:19.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of blended I e ology, and that's
a very, very bad sign when they

01:34:19.966 --> 01:34:22.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
were clearly across.

01:34:23.966 --> 01:34:25.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Not just across one
platform across multiple
platforms with these

01:34:26.966 --> 01:34:28.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
groups coordinating,
not just like chatting.
Hey, how's it going?

01:34:30.433 --> 01:34:32.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
You know, what's the
weather like where
you're at, But like, what

01:34:33.766 --> 01:34:35.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
are you bringing? What
are you wearing? You
know where do we meet

01:34:36.400 --> 01:34:37.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
up?

01:34:39.466 --> 01:34:40.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Do you have plans
for the capital? That
operational? That's like

01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:44.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
pre operational
intelligence, right? Um,
and that that is something

01:34:46.766 --> 01:34:49.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
that clearly alarming.

01:34:51.533 --> 01:34:55.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The proud boys and the oath
keepers are two key groups.

01:34:57.566 --> 01:34:59.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
That responded immediately
to President Trump's
call. The proud boys

01:35:01.066 --> 01:35:02.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
are far right Street
fighting group that
glorifies violence and white

01:35:03.500 --> 01:35:04.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
supremacy

01:35:06.333 --> 01:35:08.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
keepers are extremists
who promote a wide range
of conspiracy theories.

01:35:09.833 --> 01:35:12.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And sought to act as
a private paramilitary
force for Donald Trump.

01:35:14.333 --> 01:35:16.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The Department of Justice
has charged leaders
of both groups with

01:35:17.766 --> 01:35:19.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
seditious conspiracy to
overthrow the government
of the United States

01:35:20.133 --> 01:35:23.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
on January the sixth

01:35:24.666 --> 01:35:26.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump's December 19th
tweet motivated these
two extremist groups,

01:35:27.900 --> 01:35:31.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
which have historically
not worked together to
coordinate their activities.

01:35:33.500 --> 01:35:38.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
December. 19th at 10
22 am just hours after
President Trump's tweet

01:35:40.100 --> 01:35:41.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Kelly Meg's the head of
the Florida Oath, Keepers
declared in alliance

01:35:43.233 --> 01:35:45.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
among the oath keepers,
the proud boys in the
Florida three Percenters,

01:35:46.200 --> 01:35:47.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
another militia group.

01:35:49.666 --> 01:35:52.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
He wrote. We have decided
to work together and
shut this ship down.

01:35:54.166 --> 01:35:55.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Phone records obtained
by the Select Committee
show that later that

01:35:57.433 --> 01:35:58.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
afternoon, Mr Meggs called Proud
Boys leader Enrique Terrio, and

01:36:01.066 --> 01:36:04.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
they spoke for several
minutes. The very next
day, the proud boys

01:36:04.700 --> 01:36:07.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
got to work.

01:36:09.233 --> 01:36:11.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The proud boys launched
an encrypted chat
called the Ministry of

01:36:13.333 --> 01:36:14.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Self Defense. The
committee obtained hundreds
of these messages,

01:36:16.200 --> 01:36:18.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
which show strategic
and tactical planning
about January the sixth,

01:36:18.866 --> 01:36:20.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
including

01:36:22.266 --> 01:36:23.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Maps of Washington,
DC, that pinpoint the
location of police in the

01:36:25.100 --> 01:36:28.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
weeks leading up to
the attack leaders in
both the proud boys and

01:36:29.200 --> 01:36:31.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the oath keepers worked
with Trump allies.

01:36:32.966 --> 01:36:34.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
One such ally was
Lieutenant General Michael
Flynn, Trump's former

01:36:36.066 --> 01:36:38.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
national security
adviser and one of the
participants in the unhinged

01:36:39.900 --> 01:36:42.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
meeting at the White
House on December 18th.

01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:45.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
He also had connections
to the oath keepers.

01:36:47.433 --> 01:36:48.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
This photo from December.
12th shows Flynn and
Patrick Byrne, another

01:36:50.466 --> 01:36:53.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump ally, who was
present at that December
18th meeting, guarded

01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
by indicted oath keeper

01:36:57.266 --> 01:36:58.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Roberto menu to

01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:03.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Another view of this
scene shows oath Keepers
leader Stewart Rhodes

01:37:05.266 --> 01:37:06.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
in the picture as well
Another central figure
with ties to this network

01:37:07.500 --> 01:37:09.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of extremist groups.

01:37:10.366 --> 01:37:11.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Was Roger Stone

01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:14.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
consultant and longtime
confidante of President Trump.

01:37:16.266 --> 01:37:18.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He pardoned both Flynn
and Stone in the weeks
between the election

01:37:20.033 --> 01:37:23.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
on November 3rd and January 6th.

01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:26.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In the same timeframe.
Stone communicated with
both the proud boys

01:37:28.433 --> 01:37:31.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and the oath keepers regularly.
The committee obtained encrypted

01:37:33.033 --> 01:37:34.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
content from a group
travel from a group chat
called Friends of Stone

01:37:36.766 --> 01:37:39.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Fos, which included
stone roads Torrio and
Olly Alexander. The chat

01:37:43.033 --> 01:37:47.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
focused on various pro
trump events in November
and December of 2020.

01:37:48.300 --> 01:37:50.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
As well as January 6th.

01:37:52.366 --> 01:37:55.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
As you can see here,
Stewart Rhodes himself
urged the friends of

01:37:56.833 --> 01:37:58.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Stone to have people go
to their state capitals
if they cannot make

01:38:00.400 --> 01:38:02.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
it to Washington for the
first million mega March.

01:38:03.866 --> 01:38:05.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
On November 14th. These friends
of Roger Stone had a significant

01:38:07.300 --> 01:38:10.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
presence at multiple
pro trump events after
the election, including

01:38:12.100 --> 01:38:13.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
in Washington on December
the 12th On that day,
Stewart Rhodes called

01:38:15.700 --> 01:38:20.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
for Donald Trump to invoke
martial law promising bloodshed.

01:38:21.300 --> 01:38:24.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
If he did not.

01:38:25.700 --> 01:38:27.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Pennies and no from you that you
are with him that he does not do

01:38:28.700 --> 01:38:31.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
it now, While he is commander in
chief, we're going to have to do

01:38:33.066 --> 01:38:36.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
it ourselves later in
a much more desperate,
much more bloody war.

01:38:38.066 --> 01:38:39.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Let's get it on now.
While he is still the
commander in chief, who

01:38:41.166 --> 01:38:44.166 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
are

01:38:45.700 --> 01:38:47.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That night. The proud
boys engaged in violence
on the streets of

01:38:48.400 --> 01:38:50.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Washington and hurled aggressive
insults at the police.

01:38:52.900 --> 01:38:55.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Breakers.

01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:00.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Do your fucking job. Give
us one hour, one hour.

01:39:03.733 --> 01:39:06.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Just the previous night,
the co host of info
Wars, issued an ominous

01:39:08.666 --> 01:39:10.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
warning at a rally
alongside Roger Stone and
proud Boys leader Enrique

01:39:12.266 --> 01:39:15.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Terrio.

01:39:33.366 --> 01:39:36.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Encrypted chats obtained by the
Select Committee show that Kelly

01:39:38.300 --> 01:39:39.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Meg's The indicted leader
of the Florida oath
Keepers, spoke directly

01:39:40.933 --> 01:39:44.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
with Roger Stone about security
on January 5th and sixth

01:39:44.900 --> 01:39:47.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
In fact,

01:39:49.533 --> 01:39:50.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
On January, 6th Stone
was guarded by two Oth
keepers who have since

01:39:52.766 --> 01:39:54.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
been criminally indicted
for seditious conspiracy.
One of them later

01:39:56.700 --> 01:39:58.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
pleaded guilty and,
according to the Department
of Justice, admitted

01:39:59.966 --> 01:40:01.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that the oath keepers
were ready to use quote.

01:40:03.233 --> 01:40:04.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Lethal force, if necessary
against anyone who tried
to remove President

01:40:06.066 --> 01:40:09.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Trump from the White House,
including the National Guard.

01:40:11.100 --> 01:40:13.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
As we've seen the proud
boys were also part of
the friends of Stone

01:40:15.033 --> 01:40:16.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Network. Stone's ties
to the proud boys go
back many years. He's

01:40:18.066 --> 01:40:20.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
even taken their so
called fraternity creed
required for the first

01:40:21.900 --> 01:40:24.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
level of initiation
to the group.

01:40:32.266 --> 01:40:35.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Hi. I'm Roger. Still,
Western Children

01:40:36.133 --> 01:40:40.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
refused to apologize. Thank you.

01:40:44.500 --> 01:40:47.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Kelly Sorrell, a lawyer
who assists the oath
keepers and a volunteer

01:40:49.066 --> 01:40:51.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
lawyer for the Trump
campaign, explained to
the committee How Roger

01:40:52.866 --> 01:40:54.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Stone and other figures
brought extremists of
different stripes and

01:40:56.366 --> 01:40:59.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
views together.

01:41:01.033 --> 01:41:03.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You mentioned that Mr
Stone wanted to start
the staff, the steel

01:41:05.033 --> 01:41:07.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
series of rallies. Who
did you consider the
leader of these rallies?

01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:10.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
It sounds like

01:41:12.733 --> 01:41:13.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
How much you just said
It was Mr Stone, Mr Jones
and Mr Ali Alexander

01:41:16.200 --> 01:41:19.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
is that correct? Those
are the ones that became
like the the center

01:41:20.500 --> 01:41:23.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
point for everything.

01:41:25.166 --> 01:41:27.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We'll learn more from
his Murphy about these
individuals and their

01:41:29.100 --> 01:41:30.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
involvement in the
days leading up to the
violent attack on January

01:41:31.866 --> 01:41:33.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
6th. We'll also hear
how they were allowed
to speak at a rally for

01:41:35.233 --> 01:41:37.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
President Trump the
night before January 6th
even though organizers

01:41:38.400 --> 01:41:41.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
had expressed serious concerns.

01:41:43.033 --> 01:41:44.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
About their violent
and extremist rhetoric
directly to Mark Meadows,

01:41:46.466 --> 01:41:47.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
and you'll hear testimony
from White House aides
who were with the

01:41:49.466 --> 01:41:52.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
president as he watched
the crowd from the Oval
Office and will testify

01:41:53.200 --> 01:41:55.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
about how excited he was
for the following day.

01:41:56.700 --> 01:41:58.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Let me note now that our
investigation continues
on these critical

01:42:00.566 --> 01:42:05.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
issues, we have only
shown a small fraction
of what we have found.

01:42:06.700 --> 01:42:08.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I look forward to the
public release of more
of our findings Later,

01:42:09.033 --> 01:42:11.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Mr Chairman and I now yield back

01:42:13.166 --> 01:42:15.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Gentlemen, years back
chair recognizes that
general woman from Florida,

01:42:15.766 --> 01:42:18.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Miss Murphy.

01:42:19.766 --> 01:42:21.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
During our most recent
hearing, the committee
showed some evidence

01:42:22.733 --> 01:42:24.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of what President Trump
chief of staff Mark
Meadows and other White

01:42:25.900 --> 01:42:28.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
House officials knew
about the potential
for violence on January

01:42:29.366 --> 01:42:30.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
6th.

01:42:32.033 --> 01:42:33.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And despite this
information, they made no
effort to cancel the rally

01:42:34.766 --> 01:42:37.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
halt the march to the
capital or even to lower
the temperature among

01:42:38.033 --> 01:42:40.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
President Trump supporters.

01:42:42.166 --> 01:42:43.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Katrina Pierson, one
of the organizers of
January 6th rally in a

01:42:45.433 --> 01:42:47.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
former campaign
spokeswoman for President
Trump grew increasingly

01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:51.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
apprehensive after learning
that multiple activists

01:42:52.700 --> 01:42:54.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Have been proposed as speakers
for the January 6th rally.

01:42:56.333 --> 01:42:58.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
These included some of
the people we discussed
earlier in this hearing,

01:42:59.700 --> 01:43:02.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Roger Stone, a longtime outside
adviser to President Trump,

01:43:04.700 --> 01:43:08.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Alex Jones, the founder
of the conspiracy theory,
website, Info Wars,

01:43:09.933 --> 01:43:12.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
and Olly Alexander, an
activist known for his
violent political rhetoric.

01:43:14.300 --> 01:43:16.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
On December, 30th Miss
Pearson exchanged text
messages with another

01:43:18.433 --> 01:43:21.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
key rally organizer
about why people like Mr
Alexander and Mr Jones

01:43:23.033 --> 01:43:26.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
were being suggested
as speakers at the
president's rally on January

01:43:26.500 --> 01:43:27.500 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
6th.

01:43:29.433 --> 01:43:30.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Ms. Pearson's explanation
was POTUS, and she
remarks that the president

01:43:31.233 --> 01:43:34.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
likes the crazies.

01:43:35.633 --> 01:43:36.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The committee asked
Ms Pearson about these
messages, and this is

01:43:37.433 --> 01:43:39.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
what she said.

01:43:40.900 --> 01:43:41.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So when you said that
he likes the crazies
were you talking about

01:43:42.400 --> 01:43:44.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
President Trump?

01:43:46.333 --> 01:43:47.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Yes, I was talking about
President Trump. He loved
people who viciously

01:43:48.933 --> 01:43:51.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
defended him in public
but consistent in terms
of the support for

01:43:52.733 --> 01:43:54.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
these people, at least
with what the president
likes from what you

01:43:54.833 --> 01:43:56.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
could tell

01:43:57.200 --> 01:43:59.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Yes, the people that would

01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:02.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Be very, very vicious and
publicly defending him.

01:44:04.266 --> 01:44:07.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
On January 2nd Miss
Pearson's concerns about
the potential rally

01:44:09.166 --> 01:44:10.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
speakers had grown
serious enough that she
reached out to Mr Meadows

01:44:11.333 --> 01:44:12.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
directly.

01:44:13.566 --> 01:44:14.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
She wrote.

01:44:16.300 --> 01:44:17.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Good afternoon. Would
you mind giving me a call
regarding this January

01:44:19.166 --> 01:44:22.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
6th event? Things have gotten
crazy and I desperately
need some direction.

01:44:22.666 --> 01:44:24.166 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Please.

01:44:25.700 --> 01:44:27.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
According to phone
records obtained by the
committee. Ms. Pearson

01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:30.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
received a phone call
from Mr Meadows eight
minutes later. Here is

01:44:31.300 --> 01:44:34.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
what Miss Pearson said
about that conversation.

01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:37.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
To what specifically? Did you
tell him, though about other

01:44:39.266 --> 01:44:41.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Other events just that
there were a bunch of
entities coming in.

01:44:43.266 --> 01:44:44.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Um Some were very suspect,
but they're going to
be on other on other

01:44:46.300 --> 01:44:51.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
stages someone other days of
very, very brief overview.

01:44:52.666 --> 01:44:55.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, of what was actually
happening and why I
raised the red flag.

01:44:56.866 --> 01:44:59.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And when he told him that people
were very suspect. What What did

01:45:01.166 --> 01:45:02.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
you tell me? What you
meant by that or what
did you convey to him?

01:45:04.066 --> 01:45:05.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
About what? You're the
problems with these folks.

01:45:07.400 --> 01:45:10.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I think I even texted
him some of my concerns.
But I did briefly

01:45:11.566 --> 01:45:13.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
go over some of the
concerns that I had
raised to everybody with

01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:16.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Alex Jones or Olly
Alexander and some of the
rhetoric that they were

01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:19.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
doing. I probably
mentioned to him, um, that
they had already caused

01:45:21.300 --> 01:45:24.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
trouble at other capitals are
are at the previous event.

01:45:26.300 --> 01:45:28.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The previous march that
they did for protesting.
Um and I just had

01:45:30.633 --> 01:45:33.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
a concern about it.

01:45:35.400 --> 01:45:36.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Miss Pearson was especially
concerned about Olly
Alexander and Alex

01:45:38.566 --> 01:45:40.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Jones because in November
2020 both men and some
of their supporters

01:45:42.133 --> 01:45:44.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
had entered the Georgia
State Capitol to protest
the results of the

01:45:45.433 --> 01:45:46.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
2020 election.

01:45:48.400 --> 01:45:49.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Miss Pearson believed
that she mentioned
this to Mark Meadows on

01:45:50.600 --> 01:45:51.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
this January 2nd call.

01:45:53.566 --> 01:45:54.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Notably January. 2nd is
the same day on which,
according to Cassidy,

01:45:56.900 --> 01:45:58.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Hutchinson, Miss Meadows,
Mr Meadows warned her
of things that things

01:46:00.166 --> 01:46:03.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
might get real real
bad on January 6th.

01:46:04.566 --> 01:46:07.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
After her January 2nd call with
Mr Meadows Katrina, Pearson sent

01:46:08.766 --> 01:46:11.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
an email to fellow
rally organizers, she
wrote POTUS expectations

01:46:12.633 --> 01:46:15.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
are to have something
intimate at the Ellipse
and call on everyone

01:46:16.166 --> 01:46:17.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
to march to the capital.

01:46:19.400 --> 01:46:20.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
President's own documents
suggest that the president

01:46:22.533 --> 01:46:24.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Had decided to call on
his supporters to go to
the capital on January

01:46:26.033 --> 01:46:28.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
6th, but that he chose
not to widely announce
it until his speech

01:46:29.633 --> 01:46:32.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
on the lips that morning.

01:46:34.466 --> 01:46:37.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The committee has obtained
this draft. UPDATED
UNDATED Tweet from

01:46:40.033 --> 01:46:44.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the National Archives includes a
stamp stating president has seen

01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:47.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The draft Tweet reads. I will be
making a big speech at 10 am on

01:46:49.633 --> 01:46:51.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
January 6th at the
Ellipse south of the White
House. Please arrive

01:46:52.700 --> 01:46:55.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
early, massive crowds expected.

01:46:56.366 --> 01:46:58.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
March to the capital
after stop the steal.

01:47:00.133 --> 01:47:01.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Although this tweet
was never sent rally
organizers were discussing

01:47:03.400 --> 01:47:05.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and preparing for the
march to the capital
in the days leading up

01:47:05.900 --> 01:47:08.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to January. 6th.

01:47:09.866 --> 01:47:11.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
This is a January 4th
text message from a
rally organizer to Mike

01:47:13.100 --> 01:47:15.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Lindell, the My Pillow
CEO, the organizer says.
You know, this stays

01:47:17.400 --> 01:47:20.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
between us. We're having
a second stage at the
Supreme Court again

01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:22.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
after the lips

01:47:24.166 --> 01:47:25.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
POTUS is going to have
us march there slash
the capital. It cannot

01:47:27.066 --> 01:47:29.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
get out about the second
stage because people
will try and set up

01:47:30.700 --> 01:47:33.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
another in sabotage it.
It can also not get out.

01:47:34.666 --> 01:47:36.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
About the march because
I will be in trouble
with the National Park

01:47:37.966 --> 01:47:39.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Service and all the
agencies, But POTUS is
going to just call for

01:47:41.333 --> 01:47:44.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
it. Quote unexpectedly.

01:47:45.866 --> 01:47:47.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The end of the message
indicates that the
president's plan to have

01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:50.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
his followers marched
to the Capitol was not
being broadly discussed.

01:47:52.133 --> 01:47:54.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And then on the morning
of January, 5th Olly
Alexander, who's firebrand

01:47:56.066 --> 01:47:58.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
style concern, Katrina,
Pierson sent a similar
text to a conservative

01:47:59.333 --> 01:48:02.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
journalist.

01:48:03.866 --> 01:48:05.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mr Alexander said
Tomorrow Ellipse, then
U. S. Capitol. Trump is

01:48:07.633 --> 01:48:10.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
supposed to order us
to the capital at the
end of his speech, but

01:48:11.233 --> 01:48:12.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
we will see

01:48:14.300 --> 01:48:15.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
President. Trump did
follow through on his
plan, using his January

01:48:17.433 --> 01:48:19.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
6th speech to tell his
supporters to march to
the capital on January

01:48:19.833 --> 01:48:21.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
6th.

01:48:23.066 --> 01:48:25.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The evidence confirms
that this was not a
spontaneous call to action,

01:48:27.033 --> 01:48:28.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
but rather was a deliberate
strategy decided upon
in advance by the

01:48:29.733 --> 01:48:32.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
president.

01:48:35.066 --> 01:48:38.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Another part of the
president's strategy
involves certain members

01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:41.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
of Congress who amplified
his unsupported assertions
that the election

01:48:41.766 --> 01:48:43.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
had been stolen.

01:48:45.366 --> 01:48:46.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In the weeks after the
election, the White
House coordinated closely

01:48:48.133 --> 01:48:50.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
with President Trump's
allies in Congress to
disseminate his false

01:48:51.500 --> 01:48:54.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
claims into encourage members of
the public to fight the outcome

01:48:54.633 --> 01:48:56.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
on January 6th.

01:48:58.300 --> 01:48:59.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
We know that the president
met with various members
to discuss January

01:49:00.633 --> 01:49:02.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
6th well before
the joint session.

01:49:04.266 --> 01:49:06.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The president's private schedule
for December. 21st 2020 shows a

01:49:08.066 --> 01:49:11.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
private meeting with
Republican members of Congress.

01:49:12.933 --> 01:49:14.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
We know that Vice
President Pence. Chief of
Staff Mark Meadows and

01:49:15.233 --> 01:49:18.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Rudy Giuliani also
attended that meeting.

01:49:19.633 --> 01:49:21.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We obtained an email
that was sent from
Congressman Mo Brooks of

01:49:22.333 --> 01:49:24.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Alabama to Mark Meadows,
setting up that meeting.

01:49:26.266 --> 01:49:28.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The subject line is White
House meeting December
21st regarding January

01:49:30.400 --> 01:49:33.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
6th In his email.
Congressman Brooks explained
that he had not asked

01:49:34.933 --> 01:49:38.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
anyone to join him in the
quote January 6th effort.

01:49:39.633 --> 01:49:41.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Because, in his view quote only
citizens can exert the necessary

01:49:43.366 --> 01:49:45.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
influence on senators
and congressmen to
join this fight against

01:49:47.033 --> 01:49:49.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
massive voter fraud
and election theft.

01:49:51.200 --> 01:49:52.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
At this point. You may
also recall testimony
giving in our earlier

01:49:54.433 --> 01:49:56.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
hearing by acting
Attorney General Richard
Donohue, who said that

01:49:58.300 --> 01:50:01.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the president asked the
Department of Justice to quote

01:50:02.700 --> 01:50:04.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Just say that the
election was corrupt and
leave the rest to me and

01:50:05.033 --> 01:50:07.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
the Republican congressman.

01:50:08.733 --> 01:50:10.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
According to White House visitor
logs obtained by the committee.

01:50:12.366 --> 01:50:15.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Members of Congress present
at the White House on
December 21st included

01:50:15.900 --> 01:50:17.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Congressman Brian Babin.

01:50:18.566 --> 01:50:21.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Andy Biggs, Matt
Gates, Louie Gohmert.

01:50:22.900 --> 01:50:27.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Paul Gosar, Andy
Harris, Jody Hice, Jim
Jordans and Scott Perry.

01:50:29.700 --> 01:50:33.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Then Congresswoman
elect Marjorie Taylor
Green was also there.

01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:37.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We heard testimony in
an early hearing that
a pardon was ultimately

01:50:38.866 --> 01:50:40.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
requested by Congressman
Mo Brooks and other
members of Congress

01:50:41.866 --> 01:50:42.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
who attended this meeting.

01:50:44.533 --> 01:50:46.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We have asked witnesses
what happened during the
December 21st meeting,

01:50:48.500 --> 01:50:50.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and we've learned that
part of the discussion
centered on the role

01:50:51.500 --> 01:50:53.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of the vice president during the
counting of the electoral votes.

01:50:55.133 --> 01:50:56.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
These members of Congress
were discussing what
would later be known

01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:00.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
as the Eastman Theory,
which was being pushed
by attorney John Eastman.

01:51:02.866 --> 01:51:04.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In one of our earlier
hearings, you heard in
great detail the President

01:51:06.200 --> 01:51:08.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump was trying to
convince vice President
Pence to do something

01:51:08.866 --> 01:51:10.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
illegal.

01:51:11.866 --> 01:51:13.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
His White House counsel
confirmed all of that
in testimony last week.

01:51:15.833 --> 01:51:18.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Your view, Mr Siblani upon that
those discussions with Mr Filled

01:51:20.366 --> 01:51:22.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in with great Jacob,
What was your assessment
as to what the vice

01:51:23.366 --> 01:51:25.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
president could not do it.

01:51:28.300 --> 01:51:31.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What was my assessment
about what you could
and couldn't do? Yes,

01:51:32.733 --> 01:51:34.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Your view of the issues is
that the vice president?

01:51:35.900 --> 01:51:37.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Had didn't have a legal
authority to do anything
except what he did.

01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:39.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
He

01:51:39.766 --> 01:51:41.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
told that Mr Feldman and

01:51:42.666 --> 01:51:45.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
they look very closely
at the Eastern memos
the Eastern theory and

01:51:46.766 --> 01:51:49.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
had no basis that it was
not a strategy that this

01:51:50.733 --> 01:51:52.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
President should pursuit sounds
like that's consistent with your

01:51:53.966 --> 01:51:55.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
question as well. My
impression would have
been informed certainly

01:51:55.900 --> 01:51:57.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
by them.

01:51:59.466 --> 01:52:00.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Campaign. Senior advisor
Jason Miller told us
that Mr Serpellini

01:52:02.600 --> 01:52:04.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
thought John Eastman's
theories were nutty
something Mr Sip Aloni

01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:08.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
wouldn't refuse.

01:52:10.166 --> 01:52:11.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We received testimony
from various people
about this one was Jason

01:52:13.166 --> 01:52:15.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Miller, who was the
campaign um so that the
waves communicated to

01:52:17.166 --> 01:52:19.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
me was patentable any
thought the idea was
nutty and at one point

01:52:21.133 --> 01:52:22.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
confronted Eastman, basically
with the same center.

01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:26.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And then I ate recently
contradict what he said.

01:52:27.933 --> 01:52:30.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
On January, 4th John
Eastman went to the
White House to meet with

01:52:31.700 --> 01:52:33.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the president and
vice president.

01:52:35.366 --> 01:52:36.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Mr Serpellini tried to
participate in this meeting,
but he was apparently

01:52:37.100 --> 01:52:39.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
turned away.

01:52:41.366 --> 01:52:44.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You didn't go to the
meeting office where he
met with the president,

01:52:45.566 --> 01:52:47.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
you know, remember why you
didn't personally attend.

01:52:49.833 --> 01:52:51.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I did walk to that meeting
and I didn't go into
the Oval Office with

01:52:53.300 --> 01:52:54.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the idea of attending
the meeting ultimately
did not attend that

01:52:55.566 --> 01:52:56.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
meeting. Why not?

01:52:57.700 --> 01:52:58.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
The reasons for that approach.

01:53:00.400 --> 01:53:03.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Okay. Were you asked to attend
meeting original person decision

01:53:04.133 --> 01:53:07.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
again without getting into

01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:10.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Britain.

01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:13.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Recall that Greg Jacob, the Vice
president's council stated that

01:53:15.366 --> 01:53:17.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Mr Eastman acknowledged he would
lose 9 to 0 if his legal theory

01:53:18.766 --> 01:53:21.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
were challenged in
the Supreme Court.

01:53:23.500 --> 01:53:24.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Mr Serpellini had reviewed
Mr Eastman's legal
theory and expressed

01:53:26.266 --> 01:53:28.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
his view repeatedly that
the vice president was
right. He even offered

01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:32.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to take the blame for the
vice president's position.

01:53:34.300 --> 01:53:38.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I thought that the
vice president did not
have the authority.

01:53:39.533 --> 01:53:42.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That you would sneeze
suggested under proper reading.

01:53:44.166 --> 01:53:46.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Conveyed that right? I
think I actually somebody
thinking, you know

01:53:48.533 --> 01:53:51.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
in the vice president,
Just blame me.

01:53:52.666 --> 01:53:54.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
This is I'm not a
politician, you know,

01:53:56.333 --> 01:53:59.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But, you know, I just
said I'm a lawyer. This
is my legal opinion.

01:54:00.133 --> 01:54:02.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Right?

01:54:04.366 --> 01:54:05.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
But let me tell you
this, And I say a word
about the vice president,

01:54:06.833 --> 01:54:09.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
please. I think the vice
president did the right thing.

01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:13.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I think he did the
courageous thing.

01:54:15.400 --> 01:54:16.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I have a great deal
of respect for vice
president. Pence I work in

01:54:17.400 --> 01:54:20.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
a very closely

01:54:21.500 --> 01:54:23.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Think he understood my opinion.
I think he understood my opinion

01:54:23.766 --> 01:54:25.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
afterwards as well.

01:54:26.633 --> 01:54:28.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I think he did a great
service to this country.

01:54:28.966 --> 01:54:31.400 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
The end.

01:54:33.366 --> 01:54:34.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I suggested to somebody
that she should be getting
given the presidential

01:54:34.933 --> 01:54:35.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
medal of Freedom

01:54:36.400 --> 01:54:38.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
is actions.

01:54:40.333 --> 01:54:41.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Earlier this year,
Federal District District
Court judge concluded

01:54:43.033 --> 01:54:46.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
that President Trump
and Mr Eastman relying
on Mr Eastman's theory,

01:54:48.866 --> 01:54:50.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
more likely than not
violated multiple federal
criminal laws in their

01:54:51.500 --> 01:54:54.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
pressure campaign against
the vice president.

01:54:55.833 --> 01:54:57.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Also recall earlier in
this hearing, we saw
that Rudy Giuliani's

01:54:59.300 --> 01:55:01.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
team did not have
actual evidence of fraud
sufficient to change the

01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:03.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
result of the election.

01:55:05.133 --> 01:55:06.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
That's important
because, as January 6th
approached the Republican

01:55:07.900 --> 01:55:10.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
members of the House and
Senate, we're looking
for a reason to object

01:55:11.933 --> 01:55:15.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to the electors, and no real
evidence was ever given to them.

01:55:16.933 --> 01:55:18.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And we know that Republican
members of the House
received a memorandum

01:55:20.866 --> 01:55:22.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
from the chairwoman of
the House Republican
caucus in the days before

01:55:23.633 --> 01:55:25.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
January, 6th, explaining
in detail the many
constitutional and legal

01:55:26.233 --> 01:55:28.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
problems with objections.

01:55:30.833 --> 01:55:31.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In describing the
principal judicial rulings
dismissing the claims

01:55:32.700 --> 01:55:35.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of widespread fraud.

01:55:36.700 --> 01:55:38.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
But their plan to object to the
certification of the election on

01:55:38.933 --> 01:55:41.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
January 6th went forward anyway.

01:55:42.700 --> 01:55:44.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The next day on January
5th the day before the
attack on the capital,

01:55:46.233 --> 01:55:48.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
tens of thousands of people
converged on Washington.

01:55:50.033 --> 01:55:51.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
While certain close
associates of President
Trump privately expressed

01:55:53.100 --> 01:55:55.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
concerns about what would occur
on January 6th. Other members of

01:55:56.733 --> 01:55:58.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the president's inner
circle spoke with great
anticipation about

01:55:59.666 --> 01:56:01.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
the events to come.

01:56:03.333 --> 01:56:04.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The committee has learned
from the White House
phone logs that the

01:56:06.033 --> 01:56:07.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
president spoke to
Steve Bannon, his close
advisor, at least twice

01:56:08.133 --> 01:56:10.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
on January, 5th.

01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:13.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The first conversation they had
lasted for 11 minutes. Listen to

01:56:14.866 --> 01:56:17.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
what Mr Bannon said
that day after the first
call he had with the

01:56:17.633 --> 01:56:19.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
president.

01:56:21.300 --> 01:56:22.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Oh, hell is going to
break loose tomorrow.
All converging, And now

01:56:25.200 --> 01:56:28.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
we're on as they say the
point of attack Right?
The point of attack

01:56:29.066 --> 01:56:31.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
tomorrow. I'll tell you this.

01:56:32.733 --> 01:56:34.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
It's not going to happen
like you think it's
going to happen. Okay,

01:56:35.900 --> 01:56:37.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
It's going to be quite
extraordinarily different.
And all I can say

01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:41.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
is strap in.

01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:44.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
From those same phone
logs. We know that the
president and Mr Bannon

01:56:45.733 --> 01:56:47.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
spoke again on the
phone that evening, this
time for six minutes.

01:56:49.533 --> 01:56:52.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That same day. On the
eve of January, 6th
supporters of President

01:56:53.866 --> 01:56:56.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Trump gathered in Washington
D. C at another rally.

01:56:57.933 --> 01:56:59.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
This rally was held at
Freedom Plaza, which is
located near the White

01:57:01.833 --> 01:57:03.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
House and featured some
of the speakers who
Katrina Pearson and others

01:57:04.833 --> 01:57:07.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
deemed too extreme to
share the stage with
the president the next

01:57:07.600 --> 01:57:08.600 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
morning.

01:57:09.466 --> 01:57:10.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
And as this rally was underway

01:57:12.566 --> 01:57:14.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The president asked
members of his staff to
come to the Oval Office.

01:57:15.966 --> 01:57:17.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Let's hear from the
White House aides who
were in the Oval Office

01:57:18.133 --> 01:57:20.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
that night.

01:57:21.600 --> 01:57:23.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I was in the office in
the Oval Office, and
he had asked me to open

01:57:25.133 --> 01:57:28.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
the door so that he could hear

01:57:29.600 --> 01:57:31.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Um, I guess there was a concert
or a rat or something going on.

01:57:33.300 --> 01:57:35.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Do you see anything other
than just open the door.

01:57:37.466 --> 01:57:38.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
He made a comment. I don't
remember specifically
what he said. But

01:57:40.100 --> 01:57:43.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
there's a lot of energy when
we walked in, Uh, the staff was

01:57:45.166 --> 01:57:47.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Kind of standing up
and assembled along the
wall, and the president

01:57:48.833 --> 01:57:51.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
was at the desk and
dance Casino was on the
couch. And the president

01:57:52.633 --> 01:57:55.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
was, um

01:57:56.700 --> 01:57:58.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Dictating a tweet
that he wanted.

01:57:59.400 --> 01:58:01.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Scaling out to send out then.

01:58:03.100 --> 01:58:05.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The president started
talking about the
rally that next day, um

01:58:07.333 --> 01:58:09.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He had the door of the
Oval Open to the Rose
Garden because you could

01:58:11.900 --> 01:58:14.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
hear the crowd already assembled
outside on the Ellipse. And they

01:58:15.633 --> 01:58:17.900 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
were, um

01:58:19.533 --> 01:58:20.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Playing music, and it
was so loud that you
could feel it shaking

01:58:22.633 --> 01:58:27.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in the oval. He was
in a very good mood.
And I say that because

01:58:29.233 --> 01:58:32.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He had not been in a
good mood for weeks
leading up to that, and

01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:36.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
then it seemed like he
was in a fantastic mood
that evening. Asked

01:58:37.533 --> 01:58:39.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
if

01:58:41.300 --> 01:58:42.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
If members of Congress
would be with him tomorrow.

01:58:44.700 --> 01:58:47.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And what did you understand
my meaning voting in
his favor Supposed

01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:51.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
to physically Western
American like that? Yeah.
And I took that truly

01:58:52.900 --> 01:58:55.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
not voting to certify
the election, then.

01:58:56.633 --> 01:58:58.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He did look to the staff
and ask for, um ideas
of how if I recall,

01:59:00.900 --> 01:59:03.200 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
he said

01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:06.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that we could make the
rhinos do the right thing.

01:59:07.100 --> 01:59:08.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
It's the way he phrased it.

01:59:08.733 --> 01:59:10.500 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
And

01:59:12.333 --> 01:59:13.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
No one spoke up
initially because I think
everyone was trying to

01:59:15.333 --> 01:59:17.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
process what that
he meant by that the
president was making notes

01:59:18.233 --> 01:59:20.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
that talking then.

01:59:22.500 --> 01:59:23.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
About We should go to
the capital. What's
the best route to go to

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the capital?

01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:30.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So he should focus on
policy accomplishments.
I didn't mention

01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:34.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Forces response.

01:59:36.366 --> 01:59:38.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mhm. He acknowledged
that and we've had a lot
something along those

01:59:40.433 --> 01:59:43.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
lines and

01:59:43.900 --> 01:59:46.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
He

01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:49.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Fairly quickly moved to

01:59:51.100 --> 01:59:54.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I'm fired up the crowd.

01:59:54.566 --> 01:59:55.900 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Yes.

01:59:56.500 --> 01:59:57.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Was going to be

01:59:58.500 --> 02:00:00.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Well, that is very about it.

02:00:00.766 --> 02:00:03.300 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:00:04.866 --> 02:00:06.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Just that they were.
They were fired up. They
were angry. They feel

02:00:07.900 --> 02:00:09.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
like the elections and
celebrated. The election
was rigged. And did

02:00:11.400 --> 02:00:14.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
you hear any education of how he
knew that the crowd was fired up

02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:19.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
or angry? He continued
to reference being able
to hear them outside.

02:00:23.566 --> 02:00:26.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Three open door of
the Oval Office. The
president could hear the

02:00:28.233 --> 02:00:30.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
sound of the crowd and
the music at the rally
at the Freedom Plaza.

02:00:32.500 --> 02:00:34.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And these are some of
the things that they
were saying there at the

02:00:36.033 --> 02:00:37.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
plaza just blocks from
where the president sat
that evening, excited

02:00:38.233 --> 02:00:41.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
for the next day.

02:00:42.900 --> 02:00:44.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
This is nothing less
than an epic struggle
for the future of this

02:00:45.933 --> 02:00:48.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
country between dark and light.

02:00:50.366 --> 02:00:55.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Between the godly and the god
less between good and evil,

02:00:57.866 --> 02:01:00.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
and we will win this fight
or America was stepped
off into 1000 years

02:01:02.533 --> 02:01:05.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
of darkness.

02:01:06.733 --> 02:01:08.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Tomorrow. Tomorrow.
Trust me, the American
people that are standing

02:01:09.900 --> 02:01:12.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
on the soil that we are standing
on tonight, and they're gonna be

02:01:14.366 --> 02:01:16.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
standing on this soil tomorrow.
This is soil that we have fought

02:01:17.133 --> 02:01:19.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
over 44 we will fight
for in the future.

02:01:20.566 --> 02:01:22.066 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
The members.

02:01:23.666 --> 02:01:25.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The members of Congress,
the members of the House
of Representatives,

02:01:26.933 --> 02:01:28.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
the members of the United
States Senate. Those
of those of you who

02:01:30.400 --> 02:01:33.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
are feeling weak tonight. Those
of you that don't have the moral

02:01:34.133 --> 02:01:36.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
fiber in your body.

02:01:37.633 --> 02:01:39.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Get some tonight because
tomorrow we the people
are going to be here

02:01:41.166 --> 02:01:43.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and we want you to know that
we will not stand for a lie.

02:01:44.400 --> 02:01:47.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
We will not stand for a lie.

02:01:48.466 --> 02:01:52.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I want them to know that
17 76 is always an option

02:02:00.100 --> 02:02:03.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Degenerates in the deep state
are gonna give us what we want.

02:02:04.733 --> 02:02:08.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
For real Gonna shut
this country down.

02:02:11.200 --> 02:02:16.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
17 70 search 17 76

02:02:17.000 --> 02:02:21.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
17 Saturday 6 17 76

02:02:25.366 --> 02:02:30.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
At 505 PM as the Freedom
Plaza rally was underway
just blocks away,

02:02:31.100 --> 02:02:34.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
President Trump tweeted

02:02:35.633 --> 02:02:37.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Washington is being
inundated with people
who don't want to see an

02:02:38.800 --> 02:02:40.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
election victory stolen
by emboldened radical
left Democrats. Our

02:02:41.900 --> 02:02:44.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
country has had enough.
They won't take it anymore.

02:02:46.133 --> 02:02:47.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
To the crowds gathering
in D. C. He added. We
hear you and love you

02:02:48.300 --> 02:02:50.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
from the Oval Office.

02:02:51.800 --> 02:02:53.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The committee has
learned that on January
5th, there were serious

02:02:54.866 --> 02:02:56.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
concerns that Twitter
about the anticipated
violence the next day.

02:02:57.866 --> 02:02:59.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Listen to what the
Twitter witness told us
about their desperate

02:03:01.066 --> 02:03:02.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
efforts to get Twitter
to do something.

02:03:04.366 --> 02:03:06.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And what was your gut feeling?
On the night of January? Chef

02:03:08.133 --> 02:03:09.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I believe I sent is
slack message to someone.
That's something along

02:03:11.100 --> 02:03:14.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
the lines of

02:03:15.633 --> 02:03:17.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
When people are shooting
each other tomorrow,
I will try and rest

02:03:19.100 --> 02:03:22.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
in the knowledge that we tried.

02:03:23.666 --> 02:03:25.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um And so I went to
don't know that I saw
that night. To be honest

02:03:26.433 --> 02:03:29.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
with you. I

02:03:30.900 --> 02:03:35.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I was on pins and needles. Um,
because they're going for four

02:03:36.000 --> 02:03:38.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
months I have been

02:03:40.300 --> 02:03:43.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Bragging and anticipating
and attempting to

02:03:46.400 --> 02:03:49.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Reads the reality. That
is nothing If we need
no intervention into

02:03:52.466 --> 02:03:56.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
what I saw occurring
people were going to die.

02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:00.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Um, and on January, 1st realize
no intervention was coming. Not

02:04:04.533 --> 02:04:08.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
there are many even as
hard as I had tried to.

02:04:09.866 --> 02:04:11.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Create one or implement
one. There was nothing
and we were We were

02:04:14.800 --> 02:04:18.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
at the limbs, Um,
and the mercy of

02:04:19.166 --> 02:04:22.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
A violent crowd.

02:04:22.766 --> 02:04:25.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
That was locked up voted

02:04:26.500 --> 02:04:30.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And just for the record, this
was content that was echoing

02:04:31.733 --> 02:04:35.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Statements by the former
president, but also
proud boys and other

02:04:36.866 --> 02:04:39.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
um, known violent
extremist groups. Yes.

02:04:41.933 --> 02:04:44.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
There were also concerns
among members of Congress.
We have a recently

02:04:46.600 --> 02:04:49.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
released recording of a
conversation that took
place among Republican

02:04:51.066 --> 02:04:54.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
members in the U. S Capital
on the eve of January, 6th.

02:04:56.100 --> 02:04:57.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
This is Republican
congresswoman Debbie Lesko
from Arizona, who led

02:04:58.966 --> 02:05:01.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
some of the unfounded objections
to the election results.

02:05:03.500 --> 02:05:08.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I also asked leadership
to come up with a
safety plan for members

02:05:09.466 --> 02:05:11.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
actually very concerned
about this because we have

02:05:12.966 --> 02:05:14.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Who knows how many
hundreds of thousands
of people coming here we

02:05:16.900 --> 02:05:18.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
have antifa. We also
have quite honestly trump
supporters who actually

02:05:21.866 --> 02:05:25.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
believe that we are going
to overturn the election.

02:05:27.033 --> 02:05:28.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And when that doesn't
happen, most likely will
not happen. They are

02:05:29.666 --> 02:05:32.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
going to go nuts.

02:05:34.133 --> 02:05:36.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That same evening as president.
Trump listened to the rally from

02:05:37.566 --> 02:05:39.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the Oval Office. He
was also working on his
speech to be delivered

02:05:39.666 --> 02:05:40.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
the next day.

02:05:42.500 --> 02:05:43.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And based on documents
we've received from
the National Archives,

02:05:45.766 --> 02:05:47.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
including multiple
drafts of the president's
speech, as well as from

02:05:48.733 --> 02:05:50.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
witness testimony. We understand
how that speech devolved into a

02:05:51.800 --> 02:05:54.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
call to action and
a call to fight.

02:05:56.100 --> 02:05:57.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
One of the first edits president
Trump made to his speech was to

02:05:59.200 --> 02:06:00.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
incorporate his 505
PM tweet revising his
speech to say all of us

02:06:02.300 --> 02:06:04.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
are here today.

02:06:06.533 --> 02:06:07.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Do not want to see our
election victory stolen
by emboldened radical

02:06:09.800 --> 02:06:11.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
left Democrats. Our country
has had enough. We will
not take it anymore.

02:06:12.900 --> 02:06:15.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
He also added. Together
we will stop the steal.

02:06:17.200 --> 02:06:20.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
President Trump's edits
continued into the
morning of January, 6th.

02:06:21.533 --> 02:06:23.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And as you can see from the
president's daily diary here.

02:06:25.300 --> 02:06:27.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The president spoke to
his chief speechwriter,
Stephen Miller, for

02:06:28.133 --> 02:06:29.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
over 25 minutes that morning.

02:06:30.766 --> 02:06:32.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Following his call
with Mr Miller.

02:06:33.766 --> 02:06:35.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
President Trump inserted for the
first time a line in his speech

02:06:35.900 --> 02:06:37.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
that said, quote

02:06:39.333 --> 02:06:40.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And we will see whether
Mike Pence enters
history as a truly great

02:06:42.733 --> 02:06:44.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
and courageous leader.
All he has to do is refer
that illegally submitted

02:06:46.166 --> 02:06:48.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
electoral votes back
to the states that were
given false and fraudulent

02:06:49.400 --> 02:06:51.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
information where they
want to re certify.

02:06:53.200 --> 02:06:55.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
No prior version of this
speech had referenced
vice president Pence

02:06:56.533 --> 02:06:58.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
or his role during the joint
session on January 6th.

02:07:00.200 --> 02:07:02.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
These last minute, edits
by President Trump to
his speech were part

02:07:04.033 --> 02:07:06.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
of the president's
pressure campaign against
his own vice president.

02:07:08.133 --> 02:07:10.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But not everyone wanted
these lines regarding
the vice president

02:07:11.966 --> 02:07:13.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
included in the president's
speech, including
White House lawyer

02:07:13.833 --> 02:07:16.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Erik Hersman.

02:07:17.900 --> 02:07:18.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Did you ever speak to
anybody in the White
House at the time about

02:07:20.366 --> 02:07:21.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
this disagreement
between the president
and vice president other

02:07:23.300 --> 02:07:24.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
than the president, based on
the objection from counsel?

02:07:27.466 --> 02:07:30.433 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:07:32.033 --> 02:07:34.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mm. Maybe had a brief
conversation about
it with Erik Hersman.

02:07:36.366 --> 02:07:38.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Tell me about that. What do you
remember him saying to you about

02:07:38.900 --> 02:07:40.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
this disagreement?

02:07:41.500 --> 02:07:44.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I just remember him,
Um, saying that.

02:07:45.333 --> 02:07:47.633 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
That

02:07:48.100 --> 02:07:50.633 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
He had a

02:07:52.533 --> 02:07:55.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Child. I don't know.
Did this wrong Hope,
sort of somebody effect

02:07:56.000 --> 02:07:57.633 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
of, um

02:07:59.266 --> 02:08:00.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Thinking that would be
counterproductive. I
think he thought, too.

02:08:02.166 --> 02:08:05.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
To discuss the matter publicly.

02:08:06.800 --> 02:08:08.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So it came up in the
context of editing the
president's speech on

02:08:08.900 --> 02:08:11.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
January 6th

02:08:13.800 --> 02:08:14.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
conversation where I knew
it was in the speech,
and so he had a ball

02:08:16.933 --> 02:08:19.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
with me about it.

02:08:21.833 --> 02:08:22.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And so the speech writers
took that advice and
remove the lines about

02:08:23.700 --> 02:08:25.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
vice president Pence.

02:08:26.900 --> 02:08:28.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Later that morning At
11 20 am President Trump
had a phone call with

02:08:29.033 --> 02:08:31.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
the vice president.

02:08:32.666 --> 02:08:34.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And as the committee
detailed in an earlier
hearing that phone call

02:08:35.633 --> 02:08:37.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
was by all accounts
tense and heated. During
this call, the vice

02:08:38.966 --> 02:08:41.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
president told the
president that he would
not attempt to change

02:08:42.700 --> 02:08:44.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
the outcome of the election.

02:08:45.933 --> 02:08:47.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In response, the
president called the vice
president of the United

02:08:48.166 --> 02:08:50.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
States, a wimp and
other derogatory words.

02:08:52.200 --> 02:08:55.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
As you can see, in this
email after vice president
Pence told President

02:08:56.600 --> 02:08:58.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump that he would not
unilaterally deliver
him a second term in

02:09:00.633 --> 02:09:01.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
office. The speechwriters
were directed to
reinsert the Mike Pence

02:09:02.633 --> 02:09:04.800 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
lines.

02:09:06.333 --> 02:09:07.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Here's how one of the
speech writers described
President Trump's

02:09:08.600 --> 02:09:10.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
last minute change
to the speech.

02:09:11.600 --> 02:09:14.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And as I recall,
there was a very tough

02:09:16.033 --> 02:09:17.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Um, a tough sentence
about the vice president.
That was that was

02:09:20.533 --> 02:09:23.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
was added.

02:09:25.166 --> 02:09:26.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
President Trump wanted
to use his speech to
attack vice president

02:09:28.200 --> 02:09:30.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Pence in front of a
crowd of thousands of
angry supporters who had

02:09:31.233 --> 02:09:34.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
been led to believe the
election was stolen.

02:09:35.866 --> 02:09:37.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
When President Trump
arrived at the lips to
deliver his speech, he

02:09:38.766 --> 02:09:40.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
was still worked up
from his call with vice
president Pence. And

02:09:42.100 --> 02:09:44.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
although Ivanka Trump
would not say so, her
chief of staff gave the

02:09:45.500 --> 02:09:47.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
committee some insight into
the president's frustration.

02:09:49.266 --> 02:09:52.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Been reported that you
ultimately decided to
attend the rally because

02:09:53.733 --> 02:09:55.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
you hope that you would calm the
president and keep the event on

02:09:56.133 --> 02:09:58.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
an even keel is that accurate?

02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:02.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
No, I I don't know who
said that or where that
came from. What does

02:10:04.366 --> 02:10:07.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
she share with you about
why it was concerning
that her father was

02:10:08.700 --> 02:10:11.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
upset or agitated after
that call vice president
Pence in relation

02:10:12.400 --> 02:10:14.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
to the Ellipse rally.

02:10:15.000 --> 02:10:17.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Why did that matter?

02:10:19.733 --> 02:10:22.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Why did they have to be
calmed down? I should say.

02:10:24.333 --> 02:10:27.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Well, she's shared
that he had called the
vice president and not

02:10:29.233 --> 02:10:32.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
And it's like tip word.

02:10:33.766 --> 02:10:35.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I take that bothered
her, and I think she
could tell based on the

02:10:36.966 --> 02:10:40.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
conversations and what was
going on in the office.

02:10:40.700 --> 02:10:43.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
That he was

02:10:45.100 --> 02:10:49.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Angry and upset and people were
providing this information.

02:10:52.333 --> 02:10:55.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
And she felt like

02:10:56.766 --> 02:10:59.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
She might be able to help
calm the situation down.

02:11:00.333 --> 02:11:03.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Ah, at least before
he went on to stage.

02:11:05.533 --> 02:11:08.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The president did go
on stage. And then he
gave the speech that he

02:11:10.300 --> 02:11:11.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
wanted to give. It
included the formal changes
he had requested the

02:11:13.700 --> 02:11:17.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
night before, and in that
morning, but also many
important last minute.

02:11:17.700 --> 02:11:19.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Ad lib changes

02:11:21.266 --> 02:11:23.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
A single scripted reference
in the speech to Mike
Pence, became eight.

02:11:24.900 --> 02:11:26.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
A single scripted
reference to rally goers
marching to the capital

02:11:28.700 --> 02:11:29.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
became for with President
Trump ad living that
he would be joining

02:11:30.766 --> 02:11:32.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
the protesters at the Capitol.

02:11:34.133 --> 02:11:35.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Added Throughout his
speech were references
to fighting and the need

02:11:36.700 --> 02:11:38.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
for people to have
courage and be strong.

02:11:40.233 --> 02:11:41.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The word peacefully was
in the staff written
script and used only

02:11:43.266 --> 02:11:45.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
once. Here are some of
these ad lib changes
that the president made

02:11:46.733 --> 02:11:49.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to his speech.

02:11:51.333 --> 02:11:53.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Because you'll never
take back our country
with weakness. You have

02:11:55.100 --> 02:11:58.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
to show strength and
you have to be strong.

02:11:59.766 --> 02:12:01.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So I hope Mike has the
courage to do what he
has to do. And I hope

02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:06.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
he doesn't listen to the
rhinos and the stupid
people that he's listening.

02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:10.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We fight like hell.
And if you don't fight
like hell, you're not

02:12:12.100 --> 02:12:14.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
going to have a country anymore,
but we're going to try and give

02:12:14.600 --> 02:12:16.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
our Republicans

02:12:18.433 --> 02:12:20.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The weak ones because the strong
ones don't need any of our help.

02:12:21.500 --> 02:12:24.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
We're going to try and
give them the kind of pride

02:12:26.200 --> 02:12:28.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And boldness that they need
to take back our country.

02:12:29.433 --> 02:12:32.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
So let's walk down
Pennsylvania Avenue.

02:12:34.633 --> 02:12:37.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
White House counsel
Pat Sip. Aloni and his
deputy did not attend

02:12:39.233 --> 02:12:41.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the speech. And they
were concerned that the
statements in the speech

02:12:43.533 --> 02:12:44.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
about the election were
false. In fact, the
message that President

02:12:46.400 --> 02:12:49.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Trump delivered that day was
built on a foundation of lies.

02:12:51.133 --> 02:12:53.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He lied to his supporters
that the election was stolen.

02:12:55.033 --> 02:12:56.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
He stoked their anger.
He called for them to
fight for him. He directed

02:12:57.700 --> 02:13:00.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
them to the U. S.
Capitol. He told them he
would join them and his

02:13:02.100 --> 02:13:05.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
supporters believed him and
many headed towards the capital.

02:13:05.900 --> 02:13:08.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
As a result, people died.

02:13:09.600 --> 02:13:11.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
People were injured.
Many of his supporters
lives will never be the

02:13:11.500 --> 02:13:12.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
same.

02:13:14.366 --> 02:13:15.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
President Trump's former
campaign manager, Brad
Parscale recognize

02:13:17.333 --> 02:13:19.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the impact of the speech
immediately and this
is what he said on

02:13:21.400 --> 02:13:24.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
January 6th and excerpts
from text messages
to Katrina Pierson.

02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:29.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Mr Purse, Cal said quote.
This is about Trump
pushing for uncertainty

02:13:30.466 --> 02:13:33.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
in our country, a sitting
president asking for civil war.

02:13:35.400 --> 02:13:38.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And then when he said
this week, I feel guilty
for helping him win.

02:13:39.800 --> 02:13:41.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Katrina, Pierson responded.

02:13:43.066 --> 02:13:44.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You did what you felt
right at the time, and
therefore it was right.

02:13:45.966 --> 02:13:48.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Mr Personality, added. Yeah, but
a woman is dead. And yeah, if I

02:13:51.000 --> 02:13:54.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
was trump and I knew my
rhetoric killed someone

02:13:55.533 --> 02:13:58.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
When Miss Pearson
replied. It wasn't the
rhetoric, Mr Pascal said

02:13:59.333 --> 02:14:01.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Katrina Yes, it was

02:14:02.700 --> 02:14:04.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Thank you, Mr
Chairman. I yield back

02:14:05.400 --> 02:14:07.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Generated years back.

02:14:08.700 --> 02:14:10.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
We're joined today.

02:14:11.533 --> 02:14:15.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Bye, Mr Jason van taken hold
and Mr Stephen Ayers, miss it.

02:14:16.933 --> 02:14:19.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Tighten Hold is an
artist and join you
journalist. He's a former

02:14:21.333 --> 02:14:23.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
spokesman of the oath
Keepers and a former
close associate of Elmo

02:14:26.566 --> 02:14:30.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Stewart Rhodes, the founder
and president of those keepers.

02:14:32.300 --> 02:14:33.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Who has been charged
with seditious conspiracy
in relation to the

02:14:34.400 --> 02:14:36.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
capital attack.

02:14:38.500 --> 02:14:39.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mr Van Dayton hold broke
with the oath keepers
and has since spoken

02:14:41.833 --> 02:14:44.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
out forcefully against
the violent group, Mr.
As is a former supporter

02:14:45.866 --> 02:14:48.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of President Trump.

02:14:49.866 --> 02:14:51.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He answered the president's call
to come to Washington, D. C. On

02:14:53.000 --> 02:14:55.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
January 6th. He marched
to the Capitol on the
president's orders.

02:14:57.000 --> 02:15:01.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He pleaded guilty last
month to disorderly
and disruptive conduct.

02:15:02.066 --> 02:15:04.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
At the Capitol.

02:15:05.633 --> 02:15:07.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mr as who's no longer
supports President Trump
came forward voluntarily

02:15:09.933 --> 02:15:12.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
to share his story as a warning.

02:15:14.500 --> 02:15:17.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I will now sweat in our
witnesses. The witnesses
will please stand

02:15:18.566 --> 02:15:20.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and raise their right name.

02:15:22.733 --> 02:15:25.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Do you swear off firm on
the penalty of perjury
that the testimony

02:15:27.633 --> 02:15:29.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
about to give is the
truth, the whole truth
and nothing but the truth,

02:15:30.600 --> 02:15:33.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
So help you God.

02:15:34.333 --> 02:15:36.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Thank you may be seated.

02:15:38.833 --> 02:15:43.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Letter record reflect that
the witness is answered
the in the affirmative.

02:15:44.933 --> 02:15:47.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I recognize myself
for questions.

02:15:48.900 --> 02:15:50.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Today we have discussed
how President Trump
summoned an angry mob

02:15:52.233 --> 02:15:54.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of supporters to
Washington, DC, meet him
whom came prepared to do

02:15:55.933 --> 02:15:58.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
battle against police and power.

02:16:00.566 --> 02:16:01.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Titian's alike were
fortunate enough to be
joined by two witnesses

02:16:03.566 --> 02:16:07.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
who can help us understand
who was in the mob that day.

02:16:09.133 --> 02:16:11.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Both hard core violent
extremists like the
oath keepers and proud

02:16:12.700 --> 02:16:16.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
boys and average trump
supporters swept up in
the favor of the day.

02:16:18.433 --> 02:16:20.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Mr Mann. Tighten Hold.
Can you help us understand
who the oath keepers

02:16:22.533 --> 02:16:25.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
are?

02:16:26.266 --> 02:16:28.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I can't. Thank you.

02:16:30.200 --> 02:16:31.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
My time with the oath
Keepers began back at
Bundy Ranch with that

02:16:33.700 --> 02:16:37.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
first standoff when I
went to cover them as an
independent journalist.

02:16:39.566 --> 02:16:41.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Um I then subsequently
covered to more
standoffs. The sugar pine

02:16:45.400 --> 02:16:48.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
mine standoff in the
white hope my understand
off. It was at that

02:16:49.266 --> 02:16:51.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
time that I was offered a job.

02:16:53.833 --> 02:16:55.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
As national media
director and an associate
editor for the Web page.

02:16:56.333 --> 02:16:59.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:17:00.666 --> 02:17:02.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So I spent a few years with the
oath keepers. And I can tell you

02:17:03.266 --> 02:17:05.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
that

02:17:07.166 --> 02:17:08.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
They may not like to call
themselves a militia.
But they are. They're

02:17:08.966 --> 02:17:10.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
a violent militia.

02:17:11.200 --> 02:17:11.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:17:12.800 --> 02:17:14.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
They are largely Stewart Rhodes.

02:17:15.366 --> 02:17:17.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:17:18.466 --> 02:17:20.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
They and I think

02:17:22.000 --> 02:17:23.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Rather than try to
use words. I think the

02:17:25.333 --> 02:17:27.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The best illustration for
what the oath keepers are.

02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:33.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Happened January 6th when we saw
that stacked military formation,

02:17:34.200 --> 02:17:36.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
going up the stairs
of our capital.

02:17:37.466 --> 02:17:39.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I saw radicalization that

02:17:41.100 --> 02:17:43.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Started with my beginning
of my time with them.

02:17:43.833 --> 02:17:45.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
And continued

02:17:47.100 --> 02:17:48.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Um, over a period of time as the
member base and who it was that

02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:55.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Stewart Rhodes was courting.

02:17:56.566 --> 02:18:00.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, drifted further and
further right into the
alt right world into

02:18:02.166 --> 02:18:06.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
White nationalists and
event straight up racist and

02:18:08.533 --> 02:18:12.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
It came to a point
where I could no longer
continue to work for them.

02:18:13.433 --> 02:18:15.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
But deals keepers are

02:18:17.100 --> 02:18:18.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Or a dangerous militia that that
is in large part, fed by the ego

02:18:22.133 --> 02:18:26.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and and drive of Stewart
Road to at times seemed
to see himself as

02:18:27.166 --> 02:18:29.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
This.

02:18:30.666 --> 02:18:33.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Paramilitary leader. Um I
think that drove a lot of it.

02:18:33.866 --> 02:18:35.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
So

02:18:37.333 --> 02:18:39.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In my opinion, the oath keepers
are very dangerous organization.

02:18:41.266 --> 02:18:43.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Well, thank you very
much. You talked a little
bit about that danger.

02:18:44.266 --> 02:18:45.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
So

02:18:47.133 --> 02:18:48.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What is the oath Keepers
Vision for America, and
why should Americans

02:18:50.200 --> 02:18:53.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
be concerned about it?

02:18:55.033 --> 02:18:58.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I think we saw glimpse
of what the vision of
the oath keepers is

02:18:59.466 --> 02:19:02.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
on January 6th.

02:19:03.900 --> 02:19:05.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Um it doesn't necessarily
include the rule of law.

02:19:06.733 --> 02:19:08.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Doesn't necessarily include

02:19:09.333 --> 02:19:10.700 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:19:11.733 --> 02:19:13.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
It includes
violence. It includes

02:19:15.566 --> 02:19:18.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Trying to get their way
through lies through
deceit through intimidation

02:19:20.166 --> 02:19:22.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and through the
perpetration of violence.

02:19:24.766 --> 02:19:26.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The swaying of people
who may not know better
through lies and rhetoric

02:19:27.566 --> 02:19:31.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and propaganda that
can get swept up in
these movement Moments.

02:19:32.966 --> 02:19:35.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And I'll admit I was swept
up at one point as well, too.

02:19:36.266 --> 02:19:37.900 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:19:38.366 --> 02:19:39.666 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
But

02:19:41.133 --> 02:19:42.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I don't know if that answers the
question. Well, it does. And you

02:19:44.333 --> 02:19:46.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
talk about being swept
up. So at what point
did you break with the

02:19:48.333 --> 02:19:51.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
old keepers?

02:19:52.866 --> 02:19:54.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
There came a point that
there were many red
flags and I probably

02:19:55.733 --> 02:19:58.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
should have broke with them
much earlier than I did.

02:19:59.500 --> 02:20:01.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Um, but the straw that broke the
camel's back really came when I

02:20:01.633 --> 02:20:03.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
walked into

02:20:05.033 --> 02:20:07.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
A grocery store. We
were living up in the

02:20:08.966 --> 02:20:13.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Very remote town of
Eureka, Montana, and,
um, there was a group of

02:20:15.133 --> 02:20:18.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Core members of the
group of the oath Keepers
and some associates,

02:20:19.733 --> 02:20:22.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and they were having a
conversation at that,
Um, public area where

02:20:24.966 --> 02:20:28.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
they were talking about how
the Holocaust was not real.

02:20:30.133 --> 02:20:32.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And that was for me something
I just could not abide.

02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:35.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
You know, we were not

02:20:36.433 --> 02:20:37.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
We were not

02:20:39.166 --> 02:20:40.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Wealthy people at all.
We were barely surviving.
And it didn't matter.

02:20:41.700 --> 02:20:44.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Um I went home to my wife and
my kids, and I told them that

02:20:46.466 --> 02:20:48.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I've got to walk away
at this point. I don't
know how we're gonna

02:20:50.233 --> 02:20:52.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
survive or where we're
gonna go what we're
going to do, but I just

02:20:53.700 --> 02:20:55.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
can no longer continue
and put in my resignation.

02:20:57.600 --> 02:21:00.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Thank you very much, Mr
Ayers. There were many
people in the crowd

02:21:02.933 --> 02:21:06.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that day, January
6th, including you.

02:21:07.500 --> 02:21:09.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Who are not part of
an extremist group.

02:21:11.600 --> 02:21:13.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I'd like to start my
hair ever in. You tell
the American people a

02:21:14.200 --> 02:21:17.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
little bit about yourself.

02:21:18.666 --> 02:21:21.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Can you tell us about your
life before January, 6th.

02:21:21.833 --> 02:21:24.433 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Yeah.

02:21:26.300 --> 02:21:27.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Basically nothing but
a family man and a
working man worked at the

02:21:29.100 --> 02:21:33.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
company, Um, Cabinet company
up in northeast Ohio for

02:21:34.233 --> 02:21:37.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Going on 20 years. Um

02:21:38.033 --> 02:21:40.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
You know, family is my life.

02:21:42.466 --> 02:21:43.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You know, I was a
supervisor there so that
that took up a lot of

02:21:44.533 --> 02:21:45.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
my other.

02:21:46.166 --> 02:21:47.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
You know a lot of my free time.

02:21:48.900 --> 02:21:52.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, other than that,
with my family, camping,
playing basketball

02:21:53.000 --> 02:21:55.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
playing games with my son.

02:21:56.766 --> 02:22:00.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Just what any ordinary
American citizen family
man would do exactly.

02:22:01.933 --> 02:22:04.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So the this committee
has reviewed thousands
of hours of surveillance

02:22:06.900 --> 02:22:09.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
footage from January 6th.

02:22:11.466 --> 02:22:13.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Doing this review We
identified you entering
the capital as we see

02:22:14.966 --> 02:22:17.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
in this video.

02:22:19.166 --> 02:22:20.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Mr Ayers. Why did
you decide to come

02:22:21.833 --> 02:22:24.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
To Washington on January 6th.

02:22:25.466 --> 02:22:27.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
For me for me
personally, you know?

02:22:29.366 --> 02:22:34.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I was, you know, pretty hardcore
into the social media Facebook.

02:22:35.733 --> 02:22:38.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Twitter Instagram I followed.
You know, President Trump.

02:22:39.666 --> 02:22:42.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
All the websites, you know.

02:22:43.133 --> 02:22:44.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:22:45.333 --> 02:22:47.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Basically put out, you know.

02:22:49.100 --> 02:22:50.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Come to stop the steal
rally, you know, and
I felt like I needed

02:22:51.566 --> 02:22:52.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to be down here.

02:22:54.400 --> 02:22:55.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So So you basically
learned about the rally
on social media and at

02:22:59.233 --> 02:23:03.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
some point made a decision
to come to Washington? Yeah.

02:23:04.600 --> 02:23:06.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, I had some friends.
I found out we're coming
down. I just hopped

02:23:08.000 --> 02:23:10.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
hopped on with them right at
the tail. Then when I found out

02:23:10.933 --> 02:23:13.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Came down here with them.

02:23:15.200 --> 02:23:16.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Thank you very much. The
chair recognizes this
device chair Ms Cheney,

02:23:17.666 --> 02:23:20.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Wyoming when he
questions she may have

02:23:22.000 --> 02:23:23.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Thank you very much.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Ayers.
When you entered the

02:23:25.533 --> 02:23:28.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
capital last year, Did
you believe that the
election had been stolen?

02:23:30.033 --> 02:23:33.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
At that time. Yeah. You
know everything that I
was I was seeing online.

02:23:33.933 --> 02:23:36.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Um, I definitely

02:23:37.533 --> 02:23:39.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Believe that exactly
what That was the case.

02:23:39.866 --> 02:23:42.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
And when

02:23:43.566 --> 02:23:45.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You heard from President
Trump that the election
was stolen? How

02:23:45.766 --> 02:23:46.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
did that make you feel?

02:23:48.033 --> 02:23:49.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I was, You know,
I was very upset.

02:23:51.033 --> 02:23:53.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
As were most of
his supporters. Um

02:23:54.866 --> 02:23:57.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, that's basically
what got me to come down here.

02:23:58.666 --> 02:24:01.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And do you still believe
the election was stolen?

02:24:03.333 --> 02:24:04.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Not so much now, Um, I
got away from all the
social media. Um, when

02:24:06.333 --> 02:24:09.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
January 6th happen.

02:24:10.200 --> 02:24:11.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Basically deleted at all.

02:24:12.933 --> 02:24:14.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, I started doing my
own research and everything and

02:24:15.866 --> 02:24:18.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
For me for me it for
something like that to be that

02:24:20.200 --> 02:24:22.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
To actually for that
to actually take place,
And it's too big. You

02:24:23.333 --> 02:24:24.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
know, there'll be

02:24:25.533 --> 02:24:26.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
There's no way you keep
something like that Quiet.

02:24:27.966 --> 02:24:29.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
As big as something
like that, you know.

02:24:31.433 --> 02:24:33.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
With all of you know all
the lawsuits being shot
down one after another.

02:24:34.200 --> 02:24:36.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
That that was mainly
what convinced me.

02:24:36.833 --> 02:24:39.700 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Well and

02:24:41.366 --> 02:24:42.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That's very important.
Um and and we've also
talked about today and

02:24:44.300 --> 02:24:46.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in previous hearings,
the extent to which the
president himself was

02:24:48.133 --> 02:24:50.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
told that the election
hadn't been stolen.

02:24:52.700 --> 02:24:53.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Um, by his Justice
Department by his White House
counsel by his campaign,

02:24:56.466 --> 02:24:59.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Um what it had made a
difference to you to
know that President Trump

02:25:00.666 --> 02:25:03.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
himself had no evidence
of widespread fraud.

02:25:04.466 --> 02:25:07.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Oh, definitely, You know, um

02:25:08.533 --> 02:25:10.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Who knows? I may not have come
come down here, then, you know

02:25:12.433 --> 02:25:15.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Thank you very much. Mr
Chairman, I yield back

02:25:17.033 --> 02:25:18.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Young lady you was back
chair recognizes General
Woman from Florida,

02:25:19.033 --> 02:25:20.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Miss Murphy.

02:25:21.533 --> 02:25:22.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Thank you, Mr Chairman.

02:25:24.033 --> 02:25:25.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You know. Earlier today
we showed how Donald
Trump's December 19th

02:25:27.333 --> 02:25:29.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
tweets summoned both
extremist groups as well
as rank and file supporters

02:25:30.933 --> 02:25:35.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of President Trump to
come to Washington, D
C average Americans.

02:25:37.066 --> 02:25:40.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He told them to quote be there
will be wild and they came.

02:25:42.400 --> 02:25:44.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
We showed how Mr President
how President Trump
repeatedly told them

02:25:44.866 --> 02:25:47.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Fight, fight fight.

02:25:47.966 --> 02:25:49.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
And they marched to the Capitol.

02:25:50.866 --> 02:25:52.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, Mr Ayers. You are
in that crowd at the
rally and then the crowd

02:25:53.200 --> 02:25:55.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
that marched to the Capitol.

02:25:57.266 --> 02:25:58.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
When you arrived on the
lips that morning. Were
you planning on going

02:25:59.100 --> 02:26:00.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to the capital?

02:26:02.633 --> 02:26:03.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
No, we didn't actually
plan to go down there.
Um, you know, we went

02:26:05.533 --> 02:26:08.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
basically to see the
stop the steal rally
and that was it. So why

02:26:09.666 --> 02:26:12.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
did you decide to
march to the capital?

02:26:13.833 --> 02:26:16.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Well, basically, you
know, the president

02:26:18.266 --> 02:26:20.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, he got everybody riled
up. Told everybody head on down.

02:26:21.966 --> 02:26:24.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
So we basically just
following when he said

02:26:26.133 --> 02:26:27.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
After the president's
speech as you're marching
down to the capital,

02:26:27.766 --> 02:26:28.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
How did you feel?

02:26:29.266 --> 02:26:30.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Um, I would, you know.

02:26:31.733 --> 02:26:33.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I'm angry, you know, after

02:26:34.600 --> 02:26:35.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Everything that was

02:26:37.600 --> 02:26:38.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, basically said in
the speech, you know a
lot of stuff. He said

02:26:40.833 --> 02:26:43.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
he already put out
in tweets a lot. I've
already seen it and heard

02:26:45.300 --> 02:26:47.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
it before. Um so I mean, I
was already worked up and

02:26:48.433 --> 02:26:50.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
So where most of
the people there

02:26:51.933 --> 02:26:53.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So as you started
marching, did you think
there was still a chance

02:26:54.500 --> 02:26:56.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the election would
be overturned?

02:26:57.733 --> 02:26:59.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Yeah, that time. I did, um, you
know, because everybody was kind

02:26:59.733 --> 02:27:01.100 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
of like

02:27:02.566 --> 02:27:04.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In the hope that you know, vice
President Pence was not going to

02:27:04.833 --> 02:27:07.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
certify the election.

02:27:09.133 --> 02:27:10.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, you know, also the
whole time on our way
down and kept hearing

02:27:11.200 --> 02:27:13.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
about this big reveal.

02:27:14.666 --> 02:27:15.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I remember I was talking
about and we kind of
thought Maybe that

02:27:16.533 --> 02:27:18.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
was it so

02:27:19.300 --> 02:27:20.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
That that hope was there.

02:27:22.333 --> 02:27:23.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Did you think that the president
would be marching with you?

02:27:25.500 --> 02:27:28.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, yeah, I think
everybody thought he was
going to be coming down.

02:27:29.833 --> 02:27:31.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
You know, he said in his speech.

02:27:32.833 --> 02:27:34.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, kind of like he's
going to be there with us.

02:27:35.300 --> 02:27:37.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
So I mean, I think
I I believed it.

02:27:37.633 --> 02:27:38.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
You're saying

02:27:38.666 --> 02:27:39.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:27:40.866 --> 02:27:41.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
We know that you illegally
entered the capital
that afternoon and

02:27:43.500 --> 02:27:44.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
then left the capital
area later on. What?
What made you decide to

02:27:45.400 --> 02:27:47.366 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
leave?

02:27:48.966 --> 02:27:51.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, Basically, when
President Trump put his
tweet out, we literally

02:27:52.833 --> 02:27:54.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
left right after that, come out.

02:27:54.966 --> 02:27:55.766 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:27:56.366 --> 02:27:57.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
You know?

02:27:59.266 --> 02:28:00.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
To me if he would have done that
earlier in the day, 1 30, I, you

02:28:01.333 --> 02:28:03.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
know

02:28:04.933 --> 02:28:06.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We wouldn't be in this
maybe went being this
bad of a situation or

02:28:06.866 --> 02:28:09.066 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
something.

02:28:10.133 --> 02:28:12.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Thank you, Mr
Chairman. I yield back

02:28:13.633 --> 02:28:15.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Chair recognizes the
gentleman from Maryland.
Mr Raskin. Thank you,

02:28:16.366 --> 02:28:18.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Mr Chairman.

02:28:19.800 --> 02:28:21.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mr Ventilating Hoff In
the run up to January,
6th Stewart Rhodes

02:28:23.066 --> 02:28:26.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
publicly implored
President Trump to invoke
the Insurrection Act,

02:28:27.666 --> 02:28:29.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The 18 Oh seven law that
allows the president
to call up militias

02:28:30.633 --> 02:28:33.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to put down a rebellion against
United States and I want to

02:28:35.200 --> 02:28:36.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Get your thoughts about
this in the context of
your prior relationship

02:28:37.566 --> 02:28:38.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
with Stewart Rhodes.

02:28:40.066 --> 02:28:41.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um, I understand that
you had conversations
with roads about the

02:28:42.966 --> 02:28:45.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
insurrection Act. Why was he so
fixated on that? And what did he

02:28:47.300 --> 02:28:50.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
think it would enable
the oath keepers to do

02:28:50.900 --> 02:28:53.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Well.

02:28:54.933 --> 02:28:56.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I think it gave him a
sense of legitimacy that
it was a path forward

02:28:58.266 --> 02:29:01.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
to move forward with
his goals and agendas.

02:29:01.733 --> 02:29:04.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um, I

02:29:06.000 --> 02:29:07.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I think we need to quit mincing
words and just talk about truths

02:29:09.000 --> 02:29:11.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and what it was going to be was
an armed revolution. People died

02:29:13.366 --> 02:29:16.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
that day.

02:29:17.900 --> 02:29:19.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Law enforcement officers
side this day, there
was a gallows set up

02:29:20.133 --> 02:29:21.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
in front of the capital.

02:29:23.466 --> 02:29:24.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
This could have been
the spark that started
a new civil war and no

02:29:26.466 --> 02:29:30.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
one would have one
there. That would have
been good for No. One.

02:29:32.166 --> 02:29:35.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
They He was always looking
for ways to legitimize.

02:29:36.933 --> 02:29:39.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What he was doing,
whether by wrapping it
in the trappings of it's

02:29:41.100 --> 02:29:44.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
not a militia. It's a
community preparedness team.

02:29:45.733 --> 02:29:47.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We're not a militia were
an educational outreach
group. It's a veteran

02:29:47.866 --> 02:29:50.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
support group.

02:29:51.933 --> 02:29:53.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
But again we've got to
stop with this. This
dishonesty and the mincing

02:29:54.633 --> 02:29:57.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of words and just call
things for what they
are. You know it. He

02:29:58.266 --> 02:30:00.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
is a militia leader.

02:30:02.333 --> 02:30:04.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He had these rand visions of
being a paramilitary leader.

02:30:05.300 --> 02:30:06.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
And

02:30:08.433 --> 02:30:10.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The Insurrection Act
would have given him a
path forward with that.

02:30:11.133 --> 02:30:14.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
You know the fact
that the president was

02:30:15.866 --> 02:30:17.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Communicating, whether
directly or indirectly,
messaging. You know,

02:30:19.600 --> 02:30:22.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
kind of that gave him
the nod and all I can
do is thank the gods

02:30:23.600 --> 02:30:26.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
that things did not go.

02:30:28.533 --> 02:30:30.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Any worse. That name
What did the oath keepers
see in President Trump?

02:30:32.566 --> 02:30:34.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
They saw a path forward
that would have legitimacy.
They saw opportunity.

02:30:36.766 --> 02:30:39.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I think, in my opinion

02:30:40.666 --> 02:30:43.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
To, um, to become a
paramilitary force.

02:30:44.466 --> 02:30:45.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
You know?

02:30:47.833 --> 02:30:48.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Last week, the Department
of Justice indicated
that it has evidence

02:30:50.933 --> 02:30:53.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of the oath keepers bringing not
just firearms but explosives to

02:30:54.800 --> 02:30:57.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Washington ahead of January 6th.

02:30:59.266 --> 02:31:00.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In the committee's also
learned that Stewart
Rhodes stopped to buy

02:31:01.800 --> 02:31:03.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
weapons on his way to Washington
and shipped and shipped roughly

02:31:05.266 --> 02:31:07.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
$7000 worth of tactical
gear to a January 6th
rally planner in Virginia

02:31:10.966 --> 02:31:15.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
before the attack. Did you
ever hear roads discuss?

02:31:16.433 --> 02:31:18.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Committing violence against
elected political leaders.

02:31:20.033 --> 02:31:22.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Yeah. I mean, that
went back from the very
beginning of my tenure.

02:31:24.066 --> 02:31:25.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
One of the first
assignments that he brought
to me. Wanting me to

02:31:27.133 --> 02:31:30.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
do is more of a graphic
artist function was to

02:31:31.833 --> 02:31:34.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Create a deck of cards. You may
remember back to the conflict in

02:31:35.833 --> 02:31:40.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the Middle East,
where our own military
created a deck of cards,

02:31:41.033 --> 02:31:42.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
which who was a who's who of

02:31:44.233 --> 02:31:45.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Kind of the key players
on the other side that
they wanted to take

02:31:46.633 --> 02:31:48.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
out.

02:31:50.433 --> 02:31:51.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And Stewart was very
intrigued by that notion
and influenced by it,

02:31:53.466 --> 02:31:55.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I think, and he wanted
me to create a deck of
cards that would include

02:31:58.066 --> 02:32:01.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
different politicians,
judges, including up
to Hillary Clinton has

02:32:01.766 --> 02:32:04.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
the queen of Hearts.

02:32:05.533 --> 02:32:07.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
This is a project
that I refused to do.

02:32:09.000 --> 02:32:10.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But from the very start,
we saw that there was
always the push for

02:32:12.033 --> 02:32:15.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
military training.

02:32:16.933 --> 02:32:19.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Including there were
there were there were
courses in that community

02:32:21.866 --> 02:32:25.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
that went over explosives
training, So yeah,
it's all falls in line.

02:32:27.200 --> 02:32:30.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mr Fantino. If you say
in your very thoughtful,
written testimony

02:32:31.066 --> 02:32:32.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
that we received today that

02:32:33.800 --> 02:32:35.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Um you fear what the
next election cycle
will bring? And you also

02:32:37.733 --> 02:32:40.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
say that we have been
exceedingly lucky.

02:32:42.333 --> 02:32:43.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In that we have not seen
more bloodshed so far.
I wonder if you would

02:32:44.900 --> 02:32:47.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
elaborate on those
two statements.

02:32:48.866 --> 02:32:51.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I think as far as the
luck goes, we've had
the potential from Bundy

02:32:53.300 --> 02:32:55.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Ranch on. I mean being
boots on the ground at
these these standoffs,

02:32:57.300 --> 02:33:00.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and they were standoffs
where there were
firearms pointed across

02:33:02.133 --> 02:33:04.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
lines at federal law
enforcement agencies.

02:33:06.000 --> 02:33:09.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Um, you know, whatever it may be
with that particular standoff.

02:33:10.466 --> 02:33:13.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
But

02:33:16.433 --> 02:33:19.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I do. I think we've got
an exceedingly lucky
that more bloodshed

02:33:22.133 --> 02:33:25.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
did not happen because
of potential has been
there from the start.

02:33:27.233 --> 02:33:29.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And we got very lucky
that the loss of life
was and as tragic as

02:33:30.533 --> 02:33:32.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
it is.

02:33:34.266 --> 02:33:36.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That we saw on January 6th.
The potential was so much more

02:33:38.400 --> 02:33:40.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Again. All we have to
look at is the iconic
images of that day with

02:33:42.200 --> 02:33:44.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the gallows set up for
Mike Pence for the vice
president of the United

02:33:45.333 --> 02:33:47.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
States.

02:33:48.600 --> 02:33:50.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, And and I do fear for
this next election cycle because

02:33:51.633 --> 02:33:54.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
who knows what that might bring?
If if a president that's willing

02:33:55.366 --> 02:33:58.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to try to

02:33:59.100 --> 02:34:01.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Instill and and and

02:34:04.566 --> 02:34:07.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Encourage to whip up a
civil war amongst his
followers, using lies

02:34:09.366 --> 02:34:12.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and deceit and snake oil.

02:34:13.566 --> 02:34:15.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And regardless of
the human impact.

02:34:17.466 --> 02:34:19.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What else is he going
to do if he gets elected
again? All bets are

02:34:20.700 --> 02:34:21.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
off at that point.

02:34:23.433 --> 02:34:26.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Um, And that's a scary notion.
I have three daughters.
I have a granddaughter.

02:34:27.533 --> 02:34:31.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And I fear for the
world that they want.
Herod if we do not start

02:34:32.866 --> 02:34:35.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Holding these these
people to account.

02:34:37.300 --> 02:34:40.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Thank you for your testimony,
Mr Van taken off Mr Ears.

02:34:41.333 --> 02:34:43.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Um, I first want
to ask you about

02:34:45.533 --> 02:34:47.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What finally caused
you to leave on January
the sixth. We know that

02:34:50.066 --> 02:34:55.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the medieval style combat with
our police the occupation of

02:34:56.966 --> 02:34:59.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The building. This was
going on for several
hours until the president

02:35:01.100 --> 02:35:04.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
issued at 4 17.

02:35:06.000 --> 02:35:08.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Um, tweet. I believe
that included a video
telling people to go home.

02:35:10.433 --> 02:35:12.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Did you see that? And
did that have any effect
on what you were doing?

02:35:14.333 --> 02:35:16.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Well when we were there
as soon as that come
out, everybody started

02:35:18.100 --> 02:35:21.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
talking about it, and
that's it seemed like
it started to disperse.

02:35:22.666 --> 02:35:24.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
You know, some of
the crowd obviously.

02:35:26.266 --> 02:35:27.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You know, Once we got
back to the hotel room,
we've seen that it

02:35:28.766 --> 02:35:30.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
was still going on. But
it definitely dispersed
a lot of the crowd.

02:35:31.933 --> 02:35:33.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Did you leave at that point?
We did. Yeah, we left.

02:35:35.433 --> 02:35:36.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
So in other words, That
was the key moment when
you decided to leave

02:35:38.933 --> 02:35:41.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
when President Trump told people
to go home. Yeah, we left right

02:35:42.533 --> 02:35:44.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
when I come out.

02:35:45.066 --> 02:35:46.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:35:47.900 --> 02:35:49.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You were not a member
of an organized group
like the oath Keepers

02:35:50.433 --> 02:35:52.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
are the proud boys as
most of the crowd wasn't

02:35:53.100 --> 02:35:53.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:35:55.466 --> 02:35:56.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I wonder on January 6th.
Was it your view that
these far right groups

02:35:59.266 --> 02:36:02.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
like the oath keepers
and probably boys and
three percenters and

02:36:03.133 --> 02:36:04.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
others were on your side?

02:36:06.433 --> 02:36:07.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Did you have, uh any
reservations about marching
with them and rallying

02:36:08.200 --> 02:36:11.066 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
with them?

02:36:12.600 --> 02:36:14.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Well, I definitely
didn't have a problem.
You know, I was probably

02:36:15.966 --> 02:36:17.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
following them online
myself. You know, I liked
I thought, you know.

02:36:19.166 --> 02:36:22.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Hey, there on our team.
Good. That's how I
kind of looked at it.

02:36:23.033 --> 02:36:24.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
At the time, you know, like

02:36:25.633 --> 02:36:27.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I have a problem with it. I
thought it was a good thing.

02:36:28.666 --> 02:36:30.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I'm interested in hearing about
what's happened to you since the

02:36:31.366 --> 02:36:34.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
events of January, 6th

02:36:35.833 --> 02:36:37.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
told the vice chair that you no
longer believe Trump's big lie.

02:36:39.233 --> 02:36:41.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
About the election, but
that's what brought you
originally to Washington

02:36:43.033 --> 02:36:44.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
looking back on it now,
How do you reflect on
the role that you played

02:36:46.200 --> 02:36:49.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
in the crowd that day and
what is going on in your life?

02:36:49.666 --> 02:36:51.666 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:36:52.766 --> 02:36:54.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Basically, you
know, I lost my job.

02:36:55.300 --> 02:36:57.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Um, since

02:36:58.400 --> 02:37:00.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
This all happened, You know, uh,

02:37:01.433 --> 02:37:03.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Pretty much sold my house.

02:37:05.500 --> 02:37:08.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
So everything that
happened with the charges,
you know, Thank God.

02:37:10.266 --> 02:37:13.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
A lot of them did get
the Smith because I was
just holding my phone,

02:37:14.400 --> 02:37:16.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
but at the same
time I was there.

02:37:16.533 --> 02:37:17.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:37:18.833 --> 02:37:20.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I mean it. Definitely
It changed my life, You
know, uh, not for the

02:37:20.733 --> 02:37:22.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
good.

02:37:23.666 --> 02:37:25.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Definitely not for the
you know, for the better.

02:37:25.733 --> 02:37:28.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:37:28.866 --> 02:37:29.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Yeah, I mean,

02:37:30.566 --> 02:37:31.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Well, I could say

02:37:33.066 --> 02:37:36.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
President Trump is still
promoting the big lie
about the election.

02:37:36.933 --> 02:37:39.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Um, how does that make you feel?

02:37:40.233 --> 02:37:42.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
It makes me mad because

02:37:44.400 --> 02:37:45.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I was hanging on every
word. He was saying
everything he was putting

02:37:47.300 --> 02:37:48.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
out. I was following it.
I mean, if I was doing it

02:37:49.933 --> 02:37:51.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Hundreds of thousands
or millions.

02:37:53.033 --> 02:37:54.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Of other people are doing it
or maybe even still doing it.

02:37:55.366 --> 02:37:57.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Um, it's like

02:37:58.366 --> 02:37:59.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
He just said about that.

02:38:01.000 --> 02:38:02.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You know, he got people still
following and doing that.

02:38:04.100 --> 02:38:06.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The next election could
come out. You know,
they end it could end

02:38:07.466 --> 02:38:09.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
up being down the same path.
We are right now. I mean,

02:38:09.933 --> 02:38:11.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Just don't know.

02:38:11.600 --> 02:38:12.066 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:38:13.633 --> 02:38:15.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mr. Here, As I see that
your wife has joined
you today and welcome

02:38:16.933 --> 02:38:18.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
to Washington. We know
this has been very
difficult on you both and

02:38:20.633 --> 02:38:23.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
your family. Um what
lessons Finally, do you
want the American people

02:38:24.233 --> 02:38:26.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to learn?

02:38:28.300 --> 02:38:29.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
From the way you and
your family have suffered
as a result of these

02:38:30.366 --> 02:38:33.366 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
events.

02:38:33.833 --> 02:38:34.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:38:36.466 --> 02:38:38.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Biggest thing is, I
consider myself a family
man and I love my country.

02:38:38.933 --> 02:38:41.166 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:38:42.333 --> 02:38:44.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I don't think anyone
man is bigger than

02:38:44.933 --> 02:38:46.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Either one of those

02:38:47.800 --> 02:38:49.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I think that's what needs
to be taken, you know?

02:38:49.866 --> 02:38:51.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
People.

02:38:52.566 --> 02:38:54.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Dive into the politics.

02:38:55.633 --> 02:38:57.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And for me, I felt like
I had, you know, like
horse blinders on I

02:38:58.233 --> 02:39:01.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
was I was locked
in the whole time.

02:39:01.700 --> 02:39:02.400 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Um

02:39:03.866 --> 02:39:05.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Biggest thing for me is take the
blinders off makes you step back

02:39:06.033 --> 02:39:07.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and see what's going on.

02:39:07.800 --> 02:39:09.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Before it's too late.

02:39:10.866 --> 02:39:12.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Well, I want to thank
you for your testimony
and for appearing both

02:39:13.533 --> 02:39:16.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of you today and Mr Chairman,
I yield back to you.

02:39:17.500 --> 02:39:20.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Gentleman yields back.

02:39:21.400 --> 02:39:23.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I want to thank our witnesses
for joining us today.

02:39:25.233 --> 02:39:26.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The members of the
Select committee may
have additional questions

02:39:27.666 --> 02:39:28.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
for today's witnesses.

02:39:30.800 --> 02:39:33.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And we ask that you
respond expeditiously and
writing to those questions.

02:39:35.233 --> 02:39:37.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Without objections. Members will
be permitted 10 business days to

02:39:39.400 --> 02:39:41.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
submit statements for the
record, including opening
remarks and additional

02:39:42.266 --> 02:39:45.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
questions for the witness is

02:39:46.633 --> 02:39:48.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Without objection. The
chair recognizes the
gentleman from Maryland.

02:39:50.100 --> 02:39:52.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Mr Raskin for closing statement.
Thank you, Mr Chairman.

02:39:54.133 --> 02:39:56.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
When Donald Trump sent
out his tweet, he became
the first president

02:39:58.366 --> 02:40:01.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
ever to call for a
crowd to descend on the
capital city to block

02:40:02.800 --> 02:40:05.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the constitutional
transfer of power.

02:40:07.366 --> 02:40:08.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He set off an explosive
chain reaction among
his followers. But no

02:40:10.700 --> 02:40:12.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
one mobilized more
quickly than the dangerous
extremists that we've

02:40:13.033 --> 02:40:14.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
looked at today.

02:40:15.900 --> 02:40:17.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Seizing upon his
invitation to fight they
assembled their followers

02:40:19.700 --> 02:40:21.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
for an insurrectionary
showdown against Congress
and the vice president.

02:40:22.966 --> 02:40:25.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
On January 6th Trump
knew the crowd was
angry. He knew the crowd

02:40:26.266 --> 02:40:28.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
was armed. He sent them
to the capital anyway.

02:40:30.566 --> 02:40:32.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You might imagine that
our founders would have
been shocked to learn

02:40:34.200 --> 02:40:35.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
that an American president
would one day come
to embrace an excuse

02:40:37.266 --> 02:40:38.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
political violence against
our own institutions
were knowingly sent

02:40:40.500 --> 02:40:44.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
an armed mob to attack
the capital to usurp
the will of the people.

02:40:46.366 --> 02:40:47.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
But you know, Mr Chairman,
the founders were pretty
wise about certain

02:40:49.100 --> 02:40:50.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
things in at the
start of the Republic.

02:40:51.633 --> 02:40:53.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
They actually warned
everyone about Donald Trump.

02:40:55.233 --> 02:40:56.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Not by name, of course,
but in the course of
advising about the certain

02:40:58.066 --> 02:41:01.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
prospect that ambitious
politicians would try
to mobilize violent

02:41:02.533 --> 02:41:05.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
mobs to tear down
our own institutions.

02:41:07.833 --> 02:41:09.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In service of their
insatiable ambitions. In
the very first Federalist

02:41:11.100 --> 02:41:13.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
paper, Alexander Hamilton's
observed that history
teaches that opportunistic

02:41:14.500 --> 02:41:17.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
politicians who desire
to rule at all costs.

02:41:19.300 --> 02:41:20.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Will begin. First is
demagogues pandering to
the angry and malignant

02:41:22.433 --> 02:41:25.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
passions of the crowd, but then
end up as tyrants, trampling the

02:41:26.633 --> 02:41:29.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
freedoms and the
rights of the people.

02:41:31.200 --> 02:41:32.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Violent insurrection
to overturn election is
not an abstract thing.

02:41:34.233 --> 02:41:35.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
As we've heard, hundreds
of people were bloodied,
injured and wounded

02:41:37.366 --> 02:41:41.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
in the process, including
more than 150 police officers.

02:41:42.733 --> 02:41:44.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Some of them sitting
in this room today.

02:41:46.466 --> 02:41:48.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I want to give you an
update on one officer
who was badly wounded

02:41:49.933 --> 02:41:51.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
in the attack and is well known
to the members of this committee

02:41:52.900 --> 02:41:54.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
because he testified
before us last year.

02:41:56.333 --> 02:41:58.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Sergeant Aquilino Goodell is an
Army veteran who spent a year on

02:42:00.466 --> 02:42:03.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
active combat duty in
the Rock war and then
16 years on the capital

02:42:03.866 --> 02:42:05.733 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
force.

02:42:07.200 --> 02:42:08.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Nothing he ever saw in combat in
Iraq, he has said, prepared him

02:42:10.333 --> 02:42:12.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
for the insurrection,
where he was savagely
beaten, punched, pushed,

02:42:14.133 --> 02:42:16.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
kick shove, stomped in
sprayed with chemical
irritants, along with

02:42:18.733 --> 02:42:20.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
other officers by members
of the mob, carrying
hammers, knives, batons

02:42:22.733 --> 02:42:27.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and police shields taken
by force and wielding
the American flag.

02:42:28.533 --> 02:42:30.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Against police officers
is a dangerous weapon.

02:42:32.933 --> 02:42:37.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Last month On June 28th Sergeant
canals team of doctors told him

02:42:39.466 --> 02:42:41.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
that permanent injuries
he has suffered to
his left shoulder and

02:42:42.000 --> 02:42:43.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
right foot.

02:42:44.500 --> 02:42:46.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Now make it impossible for him.

02:42:47.500 --> 02:42:49.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
To continue as a police officer.

02:42:50.300 --> 02:42:52.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
He must leave policing for good.

02:42:53.400 --> 02:42:55.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And figure out the
rest of his life.

02:42:55.633 --> 02:42:57.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Sergeant Canal.

02:42:59.300 --> 02:43:00.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We wish you and your
family all the best.
We are here for you. We

02:43:02.700 --> 02:43:05.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
salute you for your valor,
Your eloquence and your
beautiful commitment

02:43:05.600 --> 02:43:07.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to America.

02:43:08.966 --> 02:43:09.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
I wonder what former
President Trump would say
to someone like Sergeant

02:43:11.000 --> 02:43:13.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Canal who must now go
about remaking his life.

02:43:14.800 --> 02:43:17.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I wonder if he could
even understand what
motivates a Patriot.

02:43:18.233 --> 02:43:20.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Like Sergeant Canal.

02:43:22.266 --> 02:43:24.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In his inaugural address, Trump
introduced one commanding image.

02:43:25.033 --> 02:43:27.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
American carnage.

02:43:29.233 --> 02:43:30.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Although that turn of
phrase explained little
about our country before

02:43:32.066 --> 02:43:34.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
he took office. It turned out to
be an excellent prophecy of what

02:43:35.600 --> 02:43:38.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
his rage would come to
visit on our people.

02:43:40.866 --> 02:43:43.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Mr. Harris just described
how the trust he placed
in President Trump.

02:43:44.533 --> 02:43:46.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
As a camp follower derailed
his life in nearly wrecked

02:43:47.933 --> 02:43:50.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
His reputation and
his and his family.

02:43:51.900 --> 02:43:54.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
A few weeks ago, we
heard Shane Moss and her
mother, Ruby Freeman.

02:43:56.233 --> 02:43:58.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Speaker Rusty Bowers
from Arizona and Georgia.
Secretary of State

02:44:00.133 --> 02:44:02.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Brad Raffensperger
described how heat filled
intimidation campaigns

02:44:03.066 --> 02:44:04.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
by Trump.

02:44:05.700 --> 02:44:07.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And his followers made
them prisoners in their
homes and drove their

02:44:08.700 --> 02:44:10.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
stress and anxiety to
soaring new heights
when they refused to do

02:44:11.433 --> 02:44:13.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Trump's bidding.

02:44:15.200 --> 02:44:16.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
American carnage. That's
Donald Trump's true
legacy. His desire to

02:44:18.766 --> 02:44:21.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
overthrow the people's
election and sees the
presidency interrupted

02:44:23.700 --> 02:44:26.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
the counting of electoral
college votes for the
first time in American

02:44:27.066 --> 02:44:28.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
history.

02:44:29.700 --> 02:44:31.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Nearly toppled the
constitutional order and
brutalized hundreds and

02:44:32.700 --> 02:44:35.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
hundreds of people.

02:44:37.100 --> 02:44:38.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The Watergate break in
was like a Cub Scout
meeting compared to this

02:44:40.333 --> 02:44:43.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
assault on our people
and our institutions.

02:44:44.866 --> 02:44:46.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Mr Chairman. These hearings have
been significant for us and for

02:44:48.166 --> 02:44:49.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
millions of Americans
in our hearing next
week will be a profound

02:44:51.466 --> 02:44:53.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
moment of reckoning
for America. But the
crucial thing is the next

02:44:54.100 --> 02:44:55.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
step.

02:44:56.900 --> 02:45:00.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
What this committee what
All of us will do to
fortify our democracy

02:45:01.900 --> 02:45:05.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
against coups, political
violence and campaigns
to steal elections

02:45:06.233 --> 02:45:07.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
away from the people.

02:45:09.400 --> 02:45:12.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Unlike Mr Ayers and Mr
Van Titan Hall of People
who have recovered

02:45:13.666 --> 02:45:15.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And evolved from their
descent into the hell
of fanaticism. Donald

02:45:17.833 --> 02:45:20.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Trump is only expanded
his big lie to cover
January 6th itself, he

02:45:22.866 --> 02:45:26.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
asserts the insurrection
was the real election.

02:45:27.633 --> 02:45:29.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
In the election was the
real insurrection. He
says. His mob greeted

02:45:30.933 --> 02:45:35.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
our police officers on January
6th with hugs and kisses.

02:45:37.433 --> 02:45:39.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He threatens to take
one of America's two
major political parties

02:45:41.533 --> 02:45:42.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
with him down the road
to authoritarianism, and
it is Abraham Lincoln's

02:45:43.700 --> 02:45:46.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
party no less.

02:45:47.866 --> 02:45:49.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The political scientists tell us
that authoritarian parties have

02:45:50.900 --> 02:45:53.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
two essential features in common
in history and around the world.

02:45:55.433 --> 02:45:56.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
They do not accept the
results of democratic
elections when they

02:45:57.233 --> 02:45:57.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
lose.

02:45:58.733 --> 02:46:00.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
In the embrace political
violence as legitimate.

02:46:02.600 --> 02:46:04.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And the problem of the
problem of incitement
to political violence

02:46:06.233 --> 02:46:08.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
has only grown more
serious in the Internet
age, as we have just

02:46:10.833 --> 02:46:13.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
heard, But this is
not the problem of one
party. It is the problem

02:46:14.700 --> 02:46:17.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
of the whole country now.

02:46:18.933 --> 02:46:20.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
American democracy. Mr
Chairman is a precious
inheritance, something

02:46:22.266 --> 02:46:25.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
rare in the history of the
world. And even on Earth.
Today, constitutional

02:46:26.933 --> 02:46:30.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
democracy is the silver
frame as Lincoln put it.

02:46:31.733 --> 02:46:33.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Upon which the golden
apple of Freedom rests.
We need to defend both

02:46:35.700 --> 02:46:38.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
our democracy and our
freedom with everything
we have and declare

02:46:39.566 --> 02:46:42.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
that this American carnage.

02:46:43.833 --> 02:46:45.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Ends here and now in
a world of resurgent
authoritarianism and racism

02:46:47.900 --> 02:46:52.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
and anti Semitism,
let's all hang tough
for American democracy.

02:46:53.600 --> 02:46:55.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Thank you, Mr Chairman.
I'll yield back.

02:46:57.466 --> 02:46:59.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Gentleman yields back
without objection. The
chair recognizes that

02:47:01.233 --> 02:47:04.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
general woman from Florida, Miss
Murphy for closing statement.

02:47:04.766 --> 02:47:06.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Thank you, Mr Chairman.

02:47:08.400 --> 02:47:09.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
One of our first hearings,
chairman, Thompson
explained that the

02:47:11.200 --> 02:47:12.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
members of this committee
would not spend much
time talking about

02:47:14.033 --> 02:47:16.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
ourselves. Rather, we
would let the evidence
play the leading role,

02:47:16.933 --> 02:47:17.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and the chairman was right.

02:47:19.200 --> 02:47:20.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Because this isn't about
promoting ourselves
as individuals. It's

02:47:22.566 --> 02:47:23.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
about protecting the
country we love. And it's
about preserving what

02:47:25.566 --> 02:47:29.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
actually makes America
great the rule of law
free and fair elections

02:47:30.733 --> 02:47:32.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in the peaceful transfer
of power from one
elected leader to the

02:47:32.733 --> 02:47:33.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
next

02:47:34.900 --> 02:47:36.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But if I may say a word
about myself and why
I'm proud to serve on

02:47:36.933 --> 02:47:37.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
this committee

02:47:39.633 --> 02:47:40.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I'm the only member of
this committee who was
not blessed to be born

02:47:41.500 --> 02:47:42.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
in American.

02:47:43.866 --> 02:47:45.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I was born in Vietnam
after the Vietnam War
and my family and I fled

02:47:46.900 --> 02:47:48.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
a communist government
and were rescued by
the U. S navy and were

02:47:49.800 --> 02:47:51.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
given sanctuary in America.

02:47:53.766 --> 02:47:56.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
My patriotism is rooted in
my gratitude for America's
grace and generosity.

02:47:57.533 --> 02:48:00.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I love this country.

02:48:02.000 --> 02:48:03.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
On January 6th. Four decades
after my family fled a
place where political

02:48:04.700 --> 02:48:08.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
power was seized through
violence, I was in the
United States Capitol

02:48:09.266 --> 02:48:11.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
fleeing my fellow Americans.

02:48:12.733 --> 02:48:14.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Members of the angry
mob had been lied to
by a president and the

02:48:15.833 --> 02:48:18.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
other powerful people
who tried to convince
them without evidence

02:48:19.733 --> 02:48:21.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that the election had
been stolen from them.

02:48:22.933 --> 02:48:24.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Some of them then
tried to use physical
violence to overturn the

02:48:25.600 --> 02:48:27.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
outcome of a free
and fair election.

02:48:29.466 --> 02:48:31.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Our committees. Overriding
objective is to fight
fiction with facts

02:48:33.333 --> 02:48:34.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to create a full account
for the American people
and for the historical

02:48:35.400 --> 02:48:36.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
record.

02:48:38.300 --> 02:48:39.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
To tell the truth of what
happened and why it happened
to make recommendations,

02:48:40.200 --> 02:48:42.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
so it never happens again.

02:48:43.433 --> 02:48:45.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
To defend our democracy.

02:48:45.600 --> 02:48:46.066 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
To me.

02:48:47.266 --> 02:48:48.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
There's nothing more
patriotic than that.

02:48:49.866 --> 02:48:51.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Thank you, Mr
Chairman. I yield back

02:48:53.366 --> 02:48:55.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
General later yields
back without objection.
The chair recognizes

02:48:56.466 --> 02:48:59.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
June woman from Wyoming, Miss
Cheney for closing statement.

02:49:00.533 --> 02:49:02.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Thank you very
much, Mr Chairman.

02:49:04.066 --> 02:49:07.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Mr Chairman. Let me put
what you have seen today
in a broader context.

02:49:08.866 --> 02:49:10.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
At the very outset
of our hearings, we
described several elements

02:49:12.033 --> 02:49:15.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
of President Trump's
multipart plan to overturn
the 2020 election.

02:49:16.866 --> 02:49:19.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Our hearings have now covered
all but one of those elements.

02:49:21.266 --> 02:49:24.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And organized campaign
to persuade millions of
Americans of a falsehood

02:49:26.200 --> 02:49:28.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that the 2020 election was
stolen by widespread fraud.

02:49:29.933 --> 02:49:32.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
A corrupt effort to
pressure vice president
Pence to refuse to count

02:49:32.666 --> 02:49:35.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
electoral vote.

02:49:36.533 --> 02:49:38.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
An effort to corrupt the U.
S. Department of Justice.

02:49:40.033 --> 02:49:41.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Efforts to pressure state
election officials and
legislators to change

02:49:42.266 --> 02:49:44.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
state election results.

02:49:46.433 --> 02:49:47.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
A scheme to create and
submit fake electoral
slates from multiple

02:49:48.600 --> 02:49:51.000 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
states.

02:49:52.566 --> 02:49:54.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And today you saw how
President Trump summoned
a mob to Washington

02:49:55.000 --> 02:49:58.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
for January 6th.

02:49:59.566 --> 02:50:01.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And then knowing that
that mob was armed,
directed that mob to the

02:50:01.733 --> 02:50:04.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
United States Capitol.

02:50:05.800 --> 02:50:07.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Every one of these
elements of the planning
for January. 6th is an

02:50:08.133 --> 02:50:10.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
independently serious matter.

02:50:12.266 --> 02:50:14.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
They were all ultimately focused
on overturning the election.

02:50:15.633 --> 02:50:18.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And they all have one
other thing in common.

02:50:20.366 --> 02:50:23.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Donald Trump participated
in each substantially
and personally.

02:50:24.466 --> 02:50:27.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He oversaw or directed the
activity of those involved.

02:50:28.733 --> 02:50:31.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Next week, we will return
to January 6th itself.

02:50:33.366 --> 02:50:35.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
As we have shown in
prior hearings, Donald
Trump and his legal team

02:50:36.933 --> 02:50:39.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
led by Rudy Giuliani.
We're working on January
6th to delay or halt

02:50:42.233 --> 02:50:45.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Congresses counting
of electoral votes.

02:50:46.900 --> 02:50:48.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
The mob attacking and
invading the capital.
On that afternoon of

02:50:49.666 --> 02:50:52.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
January, 6th was
achieving that result.

02:50:54.166 --> 02:50:56.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And for multiple hours,
Donald Trump refused
to intervene to stop

02:50:56.766 --> 02:50:58.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
it.

02:51:00.133 --> 02:51:01.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
He would not instruct
the mob to leave or
condemn the violence. He

02:51:02.833 --> 02:51:06.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
would not order them to evacuate
the capital and disperse.

02:51:07.900 --> 02:51:10.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The many pleas for help
from Congress did no good.

02:51:11.833 --> 02:51:14.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
His staff insisted the
president Trump call
off the attack. He would

02:51:14.900 --> 02:51:17.200 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
not

02:51:18.766 --> 02:51:20.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Here are a few of the
many things you will
hear. Next week from Mr

02:51:21.400 --> 02:51:24.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Sip Aloni.

02:51:34.100 --> 02:51:36.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Is that right?

02:51:38.400 --> 02:51:39.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I was another school.
Was it necessary for
you to continue to push

02:51:41.900 --> 02:51:44.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
for a statement directing
people to leave all
the way through that

02:51:46.866 --> 02:51:48.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
period of time until it
was ultimately issued
after it was my obligation

02:51:50.400 --> 02:51:52.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
to continue to push for
that, and others thought
it was their obligation

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as well. Would it have
been possible at any
moment for the president

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to walk down to

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Modi in the briefing room
and talk to the nation
at any time between

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when you first gave him that
advice, two o'clock and 4 17

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Been missing.

02:52:09.566 --> 02:52:11.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Would that be possible?
Possible? Yes.

02:52:13.866 --> 02:52:16.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And you will hear that
Donald Trump never
picked up the phone that

02:52:17.933 --> 02:52:19.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
day to order his
administration to help.

02:52:21.466 --> 02:52:23.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
This is not ambiguous.
He did not call the
military. His secretary

02:52:24.966 --> 02:52:29.033 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of defense received no
order. He did not call
his attorney general.

02:52:30.333 --> 02:52:32.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He did not talk to the
Department of Homeland Security.

02:52:34.200 --> 02:52:36.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Mike Pence did all of those
things. Donald Trump did not.

02:52:37.833 --> 02:52:40.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
We will walk through
the events of January
6th next week minute by

02:52:40.766 --> 02:52:43.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
minute.

02:52:43.966 --> 02:52:45.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
And one more item.

02:52:45.966 --> 02:52:47.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
After our last hearing.

02:52:48.300 --> 02:52:49.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
President Trump

02:52:50.300 --> 02:52:52.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Tried to call a witness
in our investigation.

02:52:53.900 --> 02:52:56.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
A witness. You have not
yet seen in these hearings.

02:52:58.366 --> 02:53:02.766 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
That person declined
to answer or respond to
President Trump's call.

02:53:04.133 --> 02:53:06.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And instead alerted
their lawyer to the call.

02:53:07.200 --> 02:53:09.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Their lawyer alerted us.

02:53:11.666 --> 02:53:12.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
And this committee has
supplied that information
to the Department

02:53:13.400 --> 02:53:14.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
of Justice.

02:53:16.400 --> 02:53:17.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Let me say one more time
we will take any effort
to influence witness

02:53:20.133 --> 02:53:23.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
testimony very seriously.

02:53:24.200 --> 02:53:26.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Thank you, Mr
Chairman. I yield back

02:53:27.633 --> 02:53:28.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Thank you. General
Lady. Yields back

02:53:30.300 --> 02:53:33.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In my opening mentioned how we
look to our leaders to serve

02:53:34.500 --> 02:53:37.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
As a fail safe if
people in this country

02:53:38.166 --> 02:53:40.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Refused to accept the
results of an election.

02:53:41.733 --> 02:53:44.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That's part of the way those in
positions of public trust uphold

02:53:44.733 --> 02:53:46.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
their oath.

02:53:48.033 --> 02:53:49.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
How they show fidelity
to the Constitution.

02:53:51.766 --> 02:53:53.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
In the run up to January,
6th Donald Trump had
an obligation to tell

02:53:55.500 --> 02:53:59.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
his supporters to accept
the results of the election.

02:54:00.333 --> 02:54:03.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Instead, he urged
them to further along.

02:54:05.500 --> 02:54:09.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
The path towards mob
violence. The idea of mob
violence make me think

02:54:10.000 --> 02:54:12.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
of another sort of fail safe.

02:54:14.500 --> 02:54:15.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
All across this country.
There are different
ideas about what role

02:54:17.400 --> 02:54:21.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the fellow government should
play in our lives. In fact,

02:54:22.566 --> 02:54:25.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Appear on this deal is there
are plenty of different ideas.

02:54:27.166 --> 02:54:29.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
But there are moments
when the institutions of
our federal government

02:54:30.233 --> 02:54:33.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
are the fail safe.

02:54:34.866 --> 02:54:36.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
I am from a part of the
country where head it
not been for the federal

02:54:36.833 --> 02:54:38.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
government.

02:54:39.833 --> 02:54:43.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And the Constitution,
My parents and many more
Americans like them.

02:54:44.800 --> 02:54:47.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
Would have continued
to be treated as
second class citizens.

02:54:49.333 --> 02:54:51.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The freedom to be able to
vote without harassment.

02:54:53.500 --> 02:54:55.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Travel in relative
safety and dying in
suite where you choose is

02:54:56.533 --> 02:54:59.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
because we have a government.

02:55:00.766 --> 02:55:02.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
That looks over the well
being of its citizens.

02:55:03.466 --> 02:55:05.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
This is especially important.

02:55:06.166 --> 02:55:07.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
In moments of crisis.

02:55:09.133 --> 02:55:10.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
When we have a natural
disaster that state
governments can't handle

02:55:12.100 --> 02:55:14.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
on their own when
there's an emergency,
that's cries action by a

02:55:16.933 --> 02:55:19.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
public health services
or our military.

02:55:20.800 --> 02:55:22.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
We have a federal government.

02:55:23.733 --> 02:55:25.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
What happened on January 6 2020
was another one of those moments

02:55:26.333 --> 02:55:28.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
in history.

02:55:30.100 --> 02:55:31.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That test the strength of
our federal government.

02:55:32.866 --> 02:55:35.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
January, 6th was an
attack on our country.

02:55:36.500 --> 02:55:39.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
It was an attack
on our democracy.

02:55:39.800 --> 02:55:41.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
On our constitution.

02:55:42.733 --> 02:55:44.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
A sitting president with
a violent mob trying
to stop the peaceful

02:55:45.600 --> 02:55:48.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
transfer of power from
one president to another.

02:55:49.966 --> 02:55:52.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
It still makes my blood
boil to think of it.

02:55:53.300 --> 02:55:55.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
In a moment like that.

02:55:56.700 --> 02:55:58.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
What would you expect to see?

02:55:59.766 --> 02:56:01.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
You expect to see the
president of the United
States sitting behind

02:56:02.766 --> 02:56:05.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the resolute desk in the
Oval Office, assuring
the American people

02:56:06.866 --> 02:56:09.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
that attack would be repelled.

02:56:10.733 --> 02:56:12.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
In a threat would be dealt with.

02:56:13.700 --> 02:56:16.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
You'd expect to be reassured
that there was a fail safe.

02:56:17.300 --> 02:56:19.200 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Instead.

02:56:20.566 --> 02:56:22.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The president of the United
States sent them all.

02:56:23.533 --> 02:56:25.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He disregarded the advice of the
people who had taken an oath to

02:56:25.800 --> 02:56:27.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
the Constitution.

02:56:29.833 --> 02:56:30.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
He oversaw a scheme
aided by people whose
loyalty was only to Donald

02:56:32.866 --> 02:56:35.366 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Trump.

02:56:36.533 --> 02:56:38.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
There's nothing we
can compare that to

02:56:39.733 --> 02:56:41.166 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
There's nothing now
Great Nations history
that has ever come close

02:56:42.800 --> 02:56:45.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
to that sort of betrayal
and their election.

02:56:47.700 --> 02:56:49.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Thank goodness our system
of government held in
spite of a commander

02:56:51.833 --> 02:56:56.333 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
in chief who worked in
opposition to what the
Constitution design.

02:56:57.900 --> 02:57:00.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
When this committee
reconvenes will tell the
story of that supreme

02:57:02.500 --> 02:57:06.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
dereliction by the commander
in chief, how close we
came to a catastrophe.

02:57:08.466 --> 02:57:12.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
For democracy and how we
remain in serious danger.

02:57:13.866 --> 02:57:16.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
The chair requests. Those in the
hearing room remain seated until

02:57:18.300 --> 02:57:21.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
the Capitol police have
escorted witnesses and
members from the room.

02:57:22.966 --> 02:57:25.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Without objection. The
committee stands of joining

02:57:27.400 --> 02:57:30.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
And with that chairman
Bennie Thompson does
call the January 6th

02:57:32.300 --> 02:57:34.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
Comedian committee
hearing today. The seventh
hearing in a row public

02:57:36.533 --> 02:57:40.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
hearing to a close dramatic
testimony today from

02:57:42.166 --> 02:57:43.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80%
These individuals.
One who formerly was a
spokesperson for the oath

02:57:45.366 --> 02:57:48.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
keepers, the other who's
been criminally charged
at the Capitol and

02:57:49.833 --> 02:57:52.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the committee, pointing to
another hearing next week.

02:57:54.033 --> 02:57:55.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
President, Former
President Trump will be
at the center of that,

02:57:57.333 --> 02:57:59.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
as he has been at the center of
this. We will have more analysis

02:58:00.866 --> 02:58:03.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
of the hearing at six
o'clock tonight. Eastern
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02:58:16.000 --> 02:58:18.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70%
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